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Killer Thriller Docu: He Stole a Plane with Zero Experience...Then Took Off · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome back to Killer Thriller DOCU Edition. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Jen Fessler. So today we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: the new Hulu documentary sky King. You guys, this was
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  Speaker 1: unlike a lot of the true crime documentaries that I've
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  Speaker 1: watched and that we've talked about here on the pod.
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  Speaker 1: August tenth day after my birthday, twenty eighteen, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember this. A Horizon airplane was stolen from Seattle Tacoma
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  Speaker 1: International Airport by twenty eight year old Richard Russell. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: called him Bibo and a Horizon Air ground service agent,
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  Speaker 1: so he had no piloting experience.
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  Speaker 2: He was the guy that you.
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  Speaker 1: See in the orange vest taking the luggage off the plane,
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  Speaker 1: putting the luggage back on the plane. So he was
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  Speaker 1: an incredible guy and he performed this unauthorized takeoff and
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  Speaker 1: SeaTac air traffic control made radio contact with him.
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  Speaker 2: He was the only guy on the plane.
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  Speaker 1: He stole the plane, and he started to talk to
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  Speaker 1: air traffic control. He described himself as a broken guy.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I got a few screws loose, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: which was heartbreaking because when you watch this you see
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  Speaker 1: that this guy was the kindest, warmest most hard working,
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  Speaker 1: devoted guy.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I fell in love with him watching it, and he
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  Speaker 1: had everything going for him, but he ended up stealing
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  Speaker 1: this plane. He does what's called a barrel roll in it,
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  Speaker 1: which is basically an impossible thing to do, and these
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  Speaker 1: were his last moments of life, and he, you know,
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  Speaker 1: purposefully crashes the aircraft into the Katron Island. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to die by suicide and this was the
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  Speaker 1: way that he wanted to go and there were no
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  Speaker 1: other collateral human injuries.
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  Speaker 2: He was a soul fatality.
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  Speaker 1: But the film is so incredible and such a fabulous
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  Speaker 1: commentary on not just you know, suicide, but men's roles
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  Speaker 1: in today's culture and how difficult it can be to
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  Speaker 1: provide for your family, you know, mental health, mental illness.
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  Speaker 1: And we're about to bring in the most incredible director.
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  Speaker 1: Her name is Patricia E. Gillespie. Patricia High.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome. We are so happy to have you, all right,
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  Speaker 2: you guys, so welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Patricia, Hi, thank you so much for having me. I
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  Speaker 3: really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Patricia, thank you so much for coming. I have to
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  Speaker 1: tell you, and I was telling my producers before we
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  Speaker 1: had you on this story and we do a lot
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  Speaker 1: of true crime. That's sort of the nature right of
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  Speaker 1: the podcast is true crime doc And I know that
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  Speaker 1: this was a crime, and it could have been an
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  Speaker 1: even worse crime, but there the heart of this felt
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  Speaker 1: like so utterly sad and so it was, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so poignant. And you know, usually when I'm done watching
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  Speaker 1: one of the crime docs, I'm completely freaked out and
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  Speaker 1: can't sleep and the hairs. This was more like just sadness,
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  Speaker 1: but not in a way. It was such a fascinating
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  Speaker 1: documentary and I feel like something that so many people
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  Speaker 1: can There's so much to take from it, so not
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  Speaker 1: just sadness, also some admiration I think for him and
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  Speaker 1: some and lots of empathy, but and for his family.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm sorry. I just I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: so that it was so moving. It was really just
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  Speaker 1: a fabulous just congratulations, fabulous work, very welcome.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you enjoyed.
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  Speaker 2: It, I really did. I mean, you always feel weird
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  Speaker 2: saying you enjoyed it, right.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yeah, but I did. I have to say.
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  Speaker 1: So let's I'm just gonna ask this question right off
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  Speaker 1: the bats. We can get it over with, why Bibo
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  Speaker 1: where does that come from?
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  Speaker 4: So Bibo, I'm probably gonna call him Bibo through this
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  Speaker 4: whole thing, but I'm realizing a lot of the press
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  Speaker 4: is Richard, but I've just debowed him for years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Bibo was.
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  Speaker 4: Actually a name that he got when he was a baby.
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  Speaker 4: He was named after his father, whose name was also Richard.
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  Speaker 4: And I asked Karen, I said, where where does that
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  Speaker 4: word come from? And she says, look at the videos
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  Speaker 4: to him as a kid, he just looks.
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  Speaker 3: Like a little bebo.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember going through all those images and seeing
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  Speaker 4: his cute little.
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  Speaker 3: Nose and it was the cutest. I get it.
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  Speaker 4: It's sort of an automotia for how adorable he was.
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  Speaker 1: And he was so adorable, Yeah, he really was. Like
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  Speaker 1: that actually was striking to me too. I mean most
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  Speaker 1: kids that h are adorable, but he was so so
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  Speaker 1: freaking cute and.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet, yeah, and sensitive and all of it.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, I obviously I've read up on you,
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  Speaker 1: and I know that you do like to tell stories
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  Speaker 1: that involve an underdog and maybe somebody who's it's marginalized
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  Speaker 1: the right word. I don't know, but I so is
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  Speaker 1: that what drew you to this story? Did you feel
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  Speaker 1: like he was an underdog. What was it that wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make you tell the story?
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  Speaker 3: You know, this story in particular was really personal to me.
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  Speaker 4: I grew up working class, and I remember hearing this
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  Speaker 4: audio along with everybody else's little snippets that were sort
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  Speaker 4: of floating around out of context on social media when
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  Speaker 4: this happened, and like so many other people.
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  Speaker 3: It just grabbed me, grabbed me right part and the gut.
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  Speaker 4: And he sounded like so many of the people I
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  Speaker 4: grew up with, and he was trying to articulate something
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  Speaker 4: I think that I think a lot of men, but
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  Speaker 4: non exclusively men, people feel about the realities of working
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  Speaker 4: life in the US, about the difficulty to talk about
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  Speaker 4: how you're feeling to get the help you need, and
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to know more. I also heard his voice,
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  Speaker 4: and he sounded so familiar, but also was doing something
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  Speaker 4: so out there, so intense, so unfamiliar, right stealing a plane,
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  Speaker 4: And I wanted to square this really kind voice that
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  Speaker 4: I was hearing with this very dramatic act and sort
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  Speaker 4: of try to cut through some of the politicization and
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  Speaker 4: sensationalism that had come to plague the story and figure
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  Speaker 4: out who really was this guy underneath it all and
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  Speaker 4: what led him to that moment?
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  Speaker 1: That was the part that was one of the many
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  Speaker 1: parts that was so fascinating to me was that the
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  Speaker 1: you know, reading about how it had been politicized, and
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  Speaker 1: not just reading about it. I mean, you know, his
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  Speaker 1: brother talked about it, his friend talked about it, how
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  Speaker 1: frustrating that was for them, and that you know, people
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  Speaker 1: were using it, using his story to their own advantage
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  Speaker 1: and maybe even monetizing on it, which just is so
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  Speaker 1: heartbreaking and just awful. And I that was like a
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  Speaker 1: whole different part of the story that you know, was
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  Speaker 1: very sort of upsetting, and the aftermath of it and
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  Speaker 1: what his family and his friends had to deal with.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we live in a really intense media
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  Speaker 4: environment and a lot of times when something when a
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  Speaker 4: story that that sort of grabs attention comes out, it's
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  Speaker 4: there's a temptation to sort of take your stand right
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  Speaker 4: away or like use it to enforce a point. And
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  Speaker 4: one of the things that I think became really clear
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  Speaker 4: to me, and I hope it's clear to audiences making
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  Speaker 4: this story, is that when when you do that, when
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  Speaker 4: you do your hot take and you pump that out
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  Speaker 4: sometimes you miss the human story at the center, and
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  Speaker 4: that human story can have a deeper, more important story,
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  Speaker 4: which in this case was I think a pretty clear
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  Speaker 4: story about class and about what it means to try
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  Speaker 4: to succeed in you know, the changing American economic landscape
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  Speaker 4: that sort of got glossed over in favor of this
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  Speaker 4: discussion of Izia terrorist Asney a terrorist? Did this statement
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  Speaker 4: or that statement mean he was a white nationalist? Or
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  Speaker 4: was this something else? And I'm not seeing those aren't
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  Speaker 4: important conversations to have and to look into. But when
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  Speaker 4: that becomes the only conversation and we calcify into sort
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  Speaker 4: of these black and white positions one and the other end,
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  Speaker 4: we miss a lot of nuance.
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  Speaker 1: Which is which is feels even more relevant now than
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  Speaker 1: it was in twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Eighteen, is that when it happened? Yeah, it feels even
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  Speaker 2: more relevant today. Right.
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  Speaker 4: This film took a long time to make, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: just it's I feel, in this weird way that we're
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  Speaker 4: right on time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I one hundred percent agree with you
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  Speaker 1: because that's exactly what happening. What's happening now, right, It's
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  Speaker 1: just about sides. It's not about humanity. We've lost, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all touch with the human story, and it's just about
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  Speaker 1: what's going to work for this narrative as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: that narrative.
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  Speaker 3: I think another thing that like really.
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  Speaker 4: Stood out to me was how there are a lot
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  Speaker 4: of in the people that are in this film, there
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  Speaker 4: are a lot of different opinions about you know, just
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  Speaker 4: different walks of life. You have a doctor, you have
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  Speaker 4: you know, an age faca, you have all these different
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  Speaker 4: sorts of people. You have old people, young people, men, women,
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  Speaker 4: different political opinions.
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  Speaker 3: But if you stop and listen.
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  Speaker 4: And you approach the story from a place of curiosity
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  Speaker 4: rather than judgment, you realize all these people who the
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  Speaker 4: media lines people would tell you couldn't agree on anything,
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  Speaker 4: I actually agree very much about just the realities of life, success, work,
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  Speaker 4: mental health in the US. And those are conversations I
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  Speaker 4: think we need to consciously create a space to have
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  Speaker 4: at a time when we things can feel so polarized.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I love everything that you just said, and I
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  Speaker 1: think about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think about that often.
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  Speaker 1: Hard to even watch the news anymore, because that's all
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  Speaker 1: I see is, you know, the picking apart of very
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  Speaker 1: human issues and how polarizing everything is anyway, Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: tell me something. I know that it was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that the family and that his friends heard the audio.
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  Speaker 1: That must have been so hard, not just for them,
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  Speaker 1: but for you. I mean that it was chilling to me,
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  Speaker 1: like the fact that they when they put on the headphones,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you heard what they were hearing, especially
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  Speaker 1: at the end when he said he wanted to kill
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  Speaker 1: himself and you just and his poor aunt and sister.
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  Speaker 2: It's just awful.
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  Speaker 1: But that was that hard for you to watch them
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  Speaker 1: go through that? And did it happen over the course
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  Speaker 1: of a day?
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  Speaker 4: He So we everybody you see in the film that's
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  Speaker 4: full in the interview set up in the listening said
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  Speaker 4: that was a full day. We left a lot of
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  Speaker 4: time for them because it's the kind of thing you
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  Speaker 4: might have to start or stop, or yeah, might spark
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  Speaker 4: a very deep conversation, or it might you might need
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  Speaker 4: to just step off and step away, right, So everybody
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  Speaker 4: had a day where we discussed and listened. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: think it's look. I knew that this had to be
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  Speaker 4: a part of this film because at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the day, you're dealing with a suicide, and a suicide
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  Speaker 4: that had been sort of unfortunately glamorized, and I needed
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that at every moment in this film
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  Speaker 4: it was clear to audiences that this isn't glamorous, that
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  Speaker 4: even though there's this idea that suicide ends someone's pain,
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  Speaker 4: the reality is that pain gets passed on to the
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  Speaker 4: people that love that person.
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  Speaker 3: And I knew we needed this to be sort of
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  Speaker 3: front and center.
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  Speaker 4: Most of the family had heard little pieces of audio,
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  Speaker 4: because like I said, there were snippets.
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  Speaker 2: Already right, people had.
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  Speaker 4: Made super cuts, but there were things that no one
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  Speaker 4: had ever heard that. I'm very lucky my husband's an
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  Speaker 4: archive producer, and so we were able to work on
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  Speaker 4: this together, sort of piecing it together out of these
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  Speaker 4: many little its of audio we got from the fagainst
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  Speaker 4: the black Box transcript. You know, there was there were
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  Speaker 4: moments that they didn't expect to hear, and I think
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  Speaker 4: those always sort of shocked me because you don't know
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  Speaker 4: what someone has or hasn't heard, and I think those
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  Speaker 4: became some of the most powerful moments in the film.
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  Speaker 4: One thing that surprised me was a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: for me I found in the edit, it's not even
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  Speaker 4: what they say that's so powerful, it's how they react
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  Speaker 4: or the look on their face, like it just speaks
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  Speaker 4: in such an immediate human way.
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  Speaker 3: Not that what they say isn't brilliant and important.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's watching their face. It's watching the pain on
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  Speaker 1: their face. That really, that's what you know, what got me.
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  Speaker 2: It's yes.
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  Speaker 1: And afterwards, of course there are tears and there's discussion,
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  Speaker 1: but that look on their face hearing this person that
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  Speaker 1: they love talk about you know that he was ending.
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  Speaker 2: It was just so.
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  Speaker 1: Sad and awful and his mom and I just was
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  Speaker 1: so drawn to his mom. She seems just like such
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful woman and strong, right, and has she listened
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  Speaker 1: to the audio at all?
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  Speaker 3: She actually so did.
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  Speaker 4: She chose not to listen to it at the time
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  Speaker 4: we were making the film, which was a decision I
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  Speaker 4: totally respected. I think, to listen to the last seventy
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  Speaker 4: minutes your son's life like that is unbearable, unbearable.
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  Speaker 3: She came to we.
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  Speaker 4: Premiered the film it south by Southwest of Film Festival,
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  Speaker 4: and she came and she'd said, I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to sit for the movie.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, we'll go to this premiere.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and Karen and I will take a great
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  Speaker 4: walk around Austin while everybody else watches it, and we'll
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  Speaker 4: come in at the end and she'll be able to
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  Speaker 4: see people coming out and them responding, and she's surprised
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  Speaker 4: that she wanted She sat for it, and she watched
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  Speaker 4: the film, and she sat between me and al my fella,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, obviously it's tragic to watch her see this,
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  Speaker 4: but it was also, in a in a bittersweet way,
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  Speaker 4: very beautiful because I think what she did here was really,
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  Speaker 4: really brave. I think that everyone in this film who
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  Speaker 4: loved him coming forward to tell this story, they didn't
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  Speaker 4: do that to get something off their chest. They were
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  Speaker 4: engaging with something incredibly painful because they wanted to help
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  Speaker 4: other people. And there's this this lie that depression can
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  Speaker 4: tell folks that that people are better off without them.
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  Speaker 4: And I think their participation and what they offered audiences
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  Speaker 4: in listening to this and engaging with this and revisiting this,
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  Speaker 4: is such a clear statement that that's not the case.
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  Speaker 4: No one's you know, you're you're they're not better off
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  Speaker 4: without you.
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  Speaker 2: They all said, they said, I wish if I could
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  Speaker 2: have if I would.
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  Speaker 1: Have known, if he would have shared with me where
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  Speaker 1: he was at, and I you know, could have said no, no,
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  Speaker 1: like stay with us, this is going to pass and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then interestingly, like when I heard him saying how
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  Speaker 1: he knew that he was going to hurt a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people and that he wanted to apologize to them,
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  Speaker 1: but he didn't really get specific, right. He didn't say
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  Speaker 1: my mom, he didn't say my wife. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: he'd already just distanced himself in a way from it,
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  Speaker 1: right from really like thinking about his mom, thinking about
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  Speaker 1: his wife. He was it seemed to me by the
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  Speaker 1: end he was going to do what he was going
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  Speaker 1: to do. There was no you know, there was no
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  Speaker 1: turning around really, so speaking of his wife. So I
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  Speaker 1: know obviously Hannah didn't want to participate. You know, she's
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  Speaker 1: seen the movie.
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  Speaker 3: I don't you know.
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  Speaker 4: We reached out to her and actually her father a
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  Speaker 4: number of times and we just we never heard back,
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  Speaker 4: and I think our heart goes out to her. I
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  Speaker 4: can't imagine how painful this was. I know the media
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  Speaker 4: that sort of sprung up in the immedia aftermath, I
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  Speaker 4: think a lot of that was very unfair and judgmental
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  Speaker 4: and untrue. But we ultimately, like we respect her right
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  Speaker 4: to privacy, we respect her right not to comment, sure,
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  Speaker 4: and I hope the audiences do that too. But I
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  Speaker 4: want to say we never found anything that suggests anything
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  Speaker 4: other than these were two people that loved each other
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  Speaker 4: very much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the only part that I was wondering
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  Speaker 1: about at that point, at the towards the end, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and her family seems that they were not pleased with
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  Speaker 1: his ability to provide for her. I'm sure that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: paid its toll on him.
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  Speaker 4: I do want to be clear about that. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think it's about individuals. I don't think it's about her family.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's about the society that we live in.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I come from a culture where many people,
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  Speaker 4: especially those who have a more traditional view of the world,
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  Speaker 4: that is what they expect, right. The guy's got to
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  Speaker 4: come in and you know, be a provider, be a man,
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  Speaker 4: you know, stuff it. And I don't think that's like
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  Speaker 4: an individual behaving in a bad way.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a cultural reality for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: And it doesn't match what happened to the American economy,
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  Speaker 4: to the landscape of work, to the era we're living in.
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  Speaker 4: And so you know, I think pat Bibo's aunt says
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  Speaker 4: it really well in the film. She's like, you know, kids,
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  Speaker 4: Bibo's age, who's my age. He's a millennial, came up
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  Speaker 4: with the idea of the American dream and it sort
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  Speaker 4: of fell apart, and they can end up feeling like
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  Speaker 4: it's their fault when they can't attain it, but it's
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  Speaker 4: it's something much bigger. So I don't think this is
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  Speaker 4: about Hannah or Hannah's family. I think this is a
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  Speaker 4: really common struggle that's cultural great and we need to
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  Speaker 4: talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Not in any way to villainize Hannah's family, because I
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  Speaker 1: have grandparents that told me that I had to find
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  Speaker 1: a man to support me. I mean, this is not
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  Speaker 1: that's there's something unique about the fact that they are
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: a traditional family. And I don't mean to even imply
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: that there's blame to be placed. I just am thinking
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: from his point of view and his his the way
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: he sort of received, you know, certain information. I wonder
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: if that's how they felt, not to not any fault
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: of their own, but like that's pressure, thinking that your
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: wife's parents think that you're not enough. And it happened
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: my mother and father were divorced when I was three,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: but that he always talks about that, how my grandparents
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: made him feel like he was never enough, never good
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: enough earner, never was going to be able to take
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: care of her.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: You know, those messages are hard.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: He loved her like crazy and to give her the
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: best life he could. And you get a lot of
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: information about what that is, and I'm not sure that's
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: always like from culture and I'm not sure that's always accurate.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he worked obviously as hard as humanly possible, right,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I mean that was that was really quite shocking that
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: he was working, and then I just didn't see it
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: even then going back to school and like his friends said,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a full time job, full time job, still didn't get
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the promotion. And how frustrating, right too, he was he
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: had his work ethic was unbelievable and working also the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: frustration as a viewer of knowing that he wasn't getting
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: paid minimum wage and you know that he it seems
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: at the end like that nobody was really even held
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: liable for that, right, so he was he couldn't how
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: was he going to make ends me? He was making
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: twelve something an hour, right, and that he just really
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: wanted to get the promotion.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: He was I'm very expensive in a very expensive city,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: and it's a it's a tragedy. I think he was
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: a guy that was really you know, as I learned
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: more about him and sort of his life from the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: from the time he was born, right, this is a
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: guy that always stood up and did the next right thing.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Like even circumstances where hard, he's like, Okay, we're going
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: to bust through it, Like we're going to do the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: next right thing. We're gonna get the scholarship, we're gonna
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: be the homecoming king, we're going to be you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: we're gonna get the job.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: We're going to run the business.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: And he brought everything to the table, and the environment
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: just wasn't there to support that. And I think it
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: really puts a chink in the armor of like bootstrap theory,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: because like Bibo, when you when you really look at
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: his life, like we should live in a country where
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: guys like that can win, and this story shows that
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: we don't anymore, and that's a problem we all have
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: to get together to fix.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: No, I Yeah, there's so many interesting messages in the film,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: and I think that that's so interesting, so important. You're right,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: like there was no he couldn't fix it, and he
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: tried everything, right, he really did try everything. And the
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing of him coming out of high school being
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: such a superstar, you know, like the homecoming king and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the sock and you know, the track and the wrestling
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and the football and adorable and she was adorable and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it all looked so right.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And they still couldn't make it work.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell me a little bit about how about
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the piece of it that talks about his brother's mental health.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: In their they sort of like, you know, express it
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: they felt probably the way he was feeling, although I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: don't think any of them talked to each other about it,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but how stigmatized men's mental health can be. And I
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting also the way you portrayed
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: these guys like the welder, right, and then the guy
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that the other brother that was shooting, and the sort
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: of really physical, physically intense almost it feels it felt
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: like physically challenging things that they were doing for a living,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: all of them. Right, specifically, I was thinking, I don't
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: know if that's where you're going with the welding, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that you know, being a man piece of this and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: they're having these struggles and not feeling like it was okay,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you know, and not only where to go with those I.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Will say, Phil, who you see welding in the film,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: has been He's been promoted, he has.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: A great job.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Good. I'm so glad he's you know, his things are
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: growing great for him. And I'm so glad, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Danny's Danny the other brothers is doing amazing things, building
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: all sorts of giant things in the middle of the
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: snow in Alaska.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: But yes, I think that's part of the reality.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Look, my dad was a cable splicer for the phone
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: company and we.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Were really lucky. I was raising a union family.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I was raised with an awareness of, you know, my
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: identity as a working class person and that being a
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: good thing. You know, it was a good It was
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: the best way to be raised in that situation. But
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: the reality is, when you work that kind of job,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: you're donating your body in exchange for money. And we
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: all are, right, we're all we're all giving our time
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: in exchange for money. But there's this real physical way
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: that working class people are doing that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: It's hard on your.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Body, that is what you were showing. Yeah, yeah, with
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the welding.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Is that that was the message, right, Like as you
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: see Biebo lifting luggage all day, welding all day, right,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that's that kind of toil.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: And his when you think about what Bibo is doing,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: he's what's going on with his knees, with his back
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: as he enters his thirties. You know, it's like it's
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: people forget that. People don't when they're on the plane.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: They don't look out the window and think that. And
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: life now is physical and intense and hard, and then
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: you're supposed to deal with whatever is going on inside
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: when you're exhausted, you know.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I think that's a unique challenge.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I also think growing up working class is a challenge
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: that is not specific to men, but is pronounced in men.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Where if you're growing up working class from the ragged
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: edge of the middle class, right, you got a lot
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: of just like problems you're dealing with. You're trying to
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: pay the mortgage, you're trying to figure out the budget
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: for the groceries, you're trying whatever, and you don't other
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: there's problems with the medical system, but just a million
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: things you're dealing with that aren't You can't just throw
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: money at to solve, and you're trying to take care
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: of your family and you're trying to work together to
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: make ends meet, and you just don't want to bother anyone, right,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: And there's all this tocal messaging of like, you know what,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: we got enough problems. Don't talk about your feelings, man,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: and it can lead to some really disastrous places. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I hope people start to think about, you know that
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: that needs to change too.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: There's this doctor maybe you know I'm his name as
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Scott Galloway, Yeah, and just as an aside, but he
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: talks a lot about this and a lot about these
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: challenges for men, specifically right now, how impossible a situation
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that they're in trying to buy a house, and then
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that the mental toll, right, and it I always I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: love him. I think he's fascinating, but it just all
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: of this ties into that it's just a bitch, the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: whole thing. And so tell me about this. I have
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to ask about the bird. And there were there wasn't
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: just one bird that just happened, but I felt like
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: there were birds everywhere in the film, right there.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Was So Phil's the bird that's God set bick And
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I actually remember that day I can't remember exactly what
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: was going on, but something had fallen through. I think
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: we were supposed to go to a job site and
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: we couldn't go to his job site, and we were
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: sort of standing in the driveway being.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Like, what are we going to do? We've had all
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: these plans, where are we going to go? And then
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden fells like, oh, there's a dead
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: bird over there.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I gotta go pick it up, and we were like wait,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: and you know, it's a it's a really tragic moment
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: in the film, but heartbreaking. Yeah, but I think it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: also just it was such kismet or such such my
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: God moment where I'm like, is this is is there
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: something from the Great beyond talking to us here?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you. I didn't know
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that you didn't plant it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: No, No, that happened.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I believe you. I was like, it was just so heartbreaking.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: I mean we definitely told Bill Phil like pause, let
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: us get the camera over there.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful though.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was crazy.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And he seems so taken by it also, right, Yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like you could see that on his face.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I think also, like, you know, my fit when I work.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I'm really close with my editor Emiliano Batista. We've cut
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: a bunch of films together. And when we were talking
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: about this early in the edit, he's like, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: we still had some shooting off you and he's like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: if it fly, shoot it. So we would schedule in
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: these moments where I'm like, okay, like let's sit in
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: this area and try to see if we can get
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: some birds.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: And we'd never get any.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And with Karen in particular, or Andre's at the airport right,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: that was crazy. Yeah, and I'm like, someone is this
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what I believe, but
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: is someone messing.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: With h bibo? I'd like to I would like to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: believe that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Speaking of his mom on the beach and which was
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: just just heartbreaking, did you were you road tripping with her?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: We went, we went with her up Tomorrow Bay.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: She takes a road trip in that car every year,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: and you know it's sort of it's usually open ended,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: but because we were filming, we're like, okay, Karen, where
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: do you want to go?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: What do you want to do?
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: And she actually came forward and said I want to
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: put you know, she she they put Bibo's there's still
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: they're still in the process of distributing Beebo's ashes, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: so you know, they've gone.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: All places all over the world.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: His sister's gone on trips and brought them, you know, abroad,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: and and she just said to us, hey, well what
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: would you think if we brought Bibo? And I want
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: to do that for the film, And so that sort
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: of shaped the trip.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a really powerful moment. What about his
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: wonderful co worker, who Wow, what a doll of a man.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And also just what what actually hit me the most
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: in terms of his story that he felt so guilty
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: for not pushing Bibo to join him in, you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: his new job, that he felt you know, guilt about that,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and which is so sad. And I don't know, it
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: sounds like they were really close, but he seemed to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: have just such perfect insight into Bibo's character and also
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: what was going on around them both and how just
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: dirty the whole machine was.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Andrea's I hope he ends up working for a
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: labor union or something at some point, I or running
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: for president.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: He's amazing, He's amazing.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I spoke to a lot of guys that Bibo worked with,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: and unfortunately most of them weren't able to come forward
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: because they hadn't moved on from that job or they
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: felt concerned about what would happen to their employment. And
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I think Andreas did a really beautiful job telling that
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: story on behalf of all of them. But there are men,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: many guys that feel that way, And I think that
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: guilt that people feel. I think, you know, I've lost
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: people important to me to suicide, and it's you're you're.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Always left with that. What was the last text ascent?
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Why didn't I go get that coffee? Why didn't I
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: do that? It's a it's a just a sad part
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: of what suicide does. I think if Bibo.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Knew, I think if he really knew the impact this
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: would I'm on his mom, on his family, on co
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: workers like Andreas, on FA people themselves. I don't think
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: he would have done it. But I think depression monster
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: and it lies to you, you know.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I I one hundred percent agree. I watched his uh
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: dear friend from high school that became the doctor. I'm
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: sorry I don't have I don't have all the names
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Chris talking about. Also, like how Bibo if it wasn't
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: for Bibo flying him, using all of his points and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: flying him out to see all of the schools, he
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: would have never been, you know, maybe never have been
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a doctor. And so he seemed like he was also
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: carrying his own guilt, right, Like, there's got to be
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a myriad of emotions. But the Gil piece is hard
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to watch because you're looking at these people that are
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: such wonderful people obviously, you know, and it's so makes
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you just feel so awful that they have to carry
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: this this around. So I'm sure it comes sort of
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: with the territory of suicide unfortunately. But yeah, I thought
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to myself, he is such a great family and he
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: knows that he does. And so like when you say
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't, maybe he didn't know or didn't think through
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what it would do to them. He just couldn't bear
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: life one more second. And I don't know that he
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: allowed himself to get in touch with, you know, how
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: his mom was going to feel, how his siblings were
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: going to feel, how his friends were going to feel,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: his wife was going to feel. Because on the plane,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that was what was so chilling, is that I feel
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: like he was lighthearted and by the way I'm sorry,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I'm excited, so I tend to like just go all
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: over the place.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Forgive me, I love it, thank you.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So, but why didn't they have somebody a psychiatrist, somebody
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: they put ground control.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: God blessed the guy Andrew.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So why don't they have someone that specialized in mental
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: health there to talk him down?
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I really hope that question gets asked repeatedly and loudly
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: as this film was released. You know, I think I
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: think there, I hope the film raises questions about, Yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: all the people we see working in this film, Hey.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Well, how do we make these things better? How can
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: we make these things easier?
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: What are these people's experiences, whether that's the guys that
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: are loading your luggage or the guys that are directing
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: the planes. I think that's a really important question and
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: we should ask it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: That was a big ask of him.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I felt for him, and I felt I felt for
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the manager her name, and talking about how afterwards she's
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like go home.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Or no, don't go home, come staying with you.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: It was so traumatic for all of them obviously, But yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially in that line of work, you would
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: think that anything could happen. You're up in the sky.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Don't you need mental health professionals? On hand, I don't know. Yeah,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I thought that was that was weird and sad, and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it took its toll on him.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Those people go through a lot.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many interesting things about this, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I think when you know this already, but one of
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the most interesting parts of this for me was when
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: he said he didn't get the promotion because he was
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: a white guy. And but the way that that translated, right,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and his sibly that's saying no, no, no, and his coworkers,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: let's not turn this in to he was a racist.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That's not who he was at all.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And he that was a message that he was sent
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: as to why he didn't get the job. That didn't
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: come from his thought patterns or you know, his you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: his belief system comes from somebody else's who said that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to him. But the way it probably and I guess
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that's why, was that snippet part of how this got
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: politicized for sure, because I don't remember hearing that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I remember the first time I heard it, and I
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: heard it after I'd heard a bunch of the other audio.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: My heart kind of sank because, like, let us be frank.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: It did not sound great without context, right, but when.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: It was approached with such assumptive, sort of.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: In a just assumptive way, that people didn't say, gee,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: why is this kind of it doesn't sound like the
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: rest of the stuff he's saying. He sounds like a
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: nice guy, sounds concerned about pay, sounds concerned about all
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: his coworkers, and then there's this thing that sounds really bad.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: What does it mean? And they didn't go find that
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: story that this was. You know, he told people something
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: that was said to him. And further, Andreas, his coworker,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: provides a lot of context about well, why why it
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: might be advantageous for people to foster that belief? Why
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: it might be Yeah, of course, right, it's just stoke
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: white even in order to achieve their ins And of
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: course it's all that stuff is opinion, you know, people's experience.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: But I think it's really important to listen to Andreas's
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: words about this because I think there's an important message there.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's sort of like you are white trash message
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that he he got, you know, not even subliminally, I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: don't know, but there are so many interesting talking points
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: messages in this film. I just what do you what
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: would be your wish in terms of what viewers take away.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot that you want them to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: take away, But is there, you know, anything for you
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that you really profoundly want people to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think for me it's two main things.
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  Speaker 4: The there's there's something about how working people, how how
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I think we all really need to cooperate and get
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: together and look at what we share in common. Right,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: this is a movie where you look at somebody like
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Danny Bibo's brother with the who's at the shooting range
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: and you know, and Andreas, and you'd say, these people
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: don't have anything in common ones this end of the
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: political spectrum.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Ones, this end of the political spectrum, they are not
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 1: The one which one was wearing the Maga hat. That's Danny, Yes.
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  Speaker 4: But actually, if you really listen to them, they're saying
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of the same things. And it's been amazing
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: to see them speak in public about this. And you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: it's it's silly, but the way it was said to
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: me when I was growing up, anybody who knows what
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: a bread sandwich tastes like, they're your friend.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who they are.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. I'm absolutely going to use that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Believe Oh, I may get right now, I've got to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: copyright it. Go on.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel like we have to think about that
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: to solve these problems about the housing crisis, and also
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: about mental health and about you know, a whole bunch
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: of factors just going to the grocery store, going to
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: the gas seat, like where we should be on each
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: other's team. And we got to find a way to
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: do that. While we disagree about other things, there are
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of things we have in common, and we
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: got to be in the same boat. And we got
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: to be skeptical of people who want us to feel
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: like we're enemies, because those are usually people who don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: have those problems.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: So I hope people feel that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: But most importantly, I hope people watch this film and think,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: you know what, I got to call my buddy and
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: ask if he's okay, or when their buddy calls them
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: and says, hey, hey man, how you doing that they
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: feel at liberty to answer that question more honestly or
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: even say, you know what, it's not weak in me
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: if I need to go get some help. That I
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: think would be the grand slam. I think that's the
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: legacy his family really wanted to leave and why they
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: came and did this painful, difficult thing, because that's that's
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: and I think that's what people would have wanted.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: You know, me too, me too, A little bit in
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: all of you. I may have a little bit of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a crush on you. I think you ought to be
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: such a good work. No, because you know what it is.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I watch a lot of Scott Galloway and that message
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I don't don't I don't hear it in many places, right,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: but because I'm a fan of his and he's my algorithm,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it comes up a lot. And just how hopeless, you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: our youth is today because there's no they don't a chance, right,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Like just getting just buying a house today is absolutely
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: impossible for what ninety percent of young people. So anyway,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and I love talking about how we're just drawn to
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a certain side and we're being manipulated. I could go
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on and on, but I'm sure you have things to do.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: But I love the film really, Thank you so much.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just it's such a pleasure when I
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: get to set with people like you who just get it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: You know, I have to say thank you, thank you
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: so much,