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Plumbing, not vaccines, decreased mortality - Roman Bystrianyk | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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None. Robin Vastianic, thank you for
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joining me in the trenches. Thanks for having me again.
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You know, I get so bored of that intro, but I always get emails
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from people saying, yeah, I love it when you when you introduce
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people in the trenches like that.
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Yeah, I'm in the trenches of Connecticut freezing my ass off.
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So yeah, there's always been an information war about almost
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everything. So people try to control the
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narrative because of their own interests or whatever.
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So that's why we're where we are today, because people have all
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their own ideas and interests and they want to promote those
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and they don't want to talk about the other things that
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don't look good. So like vaccines is just one
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example of that disease and vaccines.
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So when you look at the actual data, it's a lot different than
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the stuff that they continuously promote and been promoting for
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like 300 years. It's been a long, long process.
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Yeah, but I mean, that's a really important information
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war. I mean, you're literally
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injecting something into your body.
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This is not just a talking point.
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Oh, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's had
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global consequences for a long, long time.
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And it started really back with the smallpox vaccine.
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And that's over 200 years ago, 225 years ago.
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And that spread across the globe as a thing, and we're still
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stuck with it. So they didn't figure out that
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it wasn't the best idea. Have you noticed though that it
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it almost has a kind of cult following?
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When you talk about vaccines, the the mood changes almost
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instantly. Well, I've never noticed that.
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I've noticed it a lot. So I bring it up to various
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people and they're just as like, they look at you like you're a
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crazy person. And even if you show data charts
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and that type of stuff, a lot of people will look at that and
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just be, I don't know what to say.
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They don't know what to say. They don't know what to do about
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it. And they just kind of just
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ignore it and move on to another topic.
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It's it's an overwhelming thing. And that happened to me when I
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first started, when I started looking at the data and creating
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my own charts and verifying what I have found in the book.
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I thought, oh, that guy's crazy. That can't be true.
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And so I kept on going and going going until I ended up in the US
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Vital Statistics, got the real data and created my first chart.
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And I was like, oh wow, how could this be?
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How could I be wrong? I must be wrong.
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Something is not right. It can't be, this can't be true.
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This chart can't be true. But eventually I settled into
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it. So right from the beginning I
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thought, this can't be true. These this data can't be true,
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but it was true and I've had, you know, over 25 years to
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settle into it. So I, you know, I'm 100% sure
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the data is correct. And when you accept the when you
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accept the data, you that's, that's most of the argument.
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So once you look at this like, why?
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Why are we doing this? I've told you before, but your
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work, what you and your Co writer co-author Susan Humphries
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had such a profound effect on on me that that you're probably the
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leading cause of my kid being unvaccinated.
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Well, that's great. I think it's great.
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Other people think it's horrible, but it makes sense to
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me. I mean, I think we've gone down
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a wrong path for 300 years. It's it's not what we should be
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doing now. But I mean, Roman, if you just
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think about it for like 10 seconds, right, you go, OK, for
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the entirety of human history, right?
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Babies were born, and according to the narrative, they were just
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dying en masse until 300 years ago.
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Or 250 years ago, whatever, until they started getting an
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injection in their arm. This this didn't fix the
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problem. Well, they were dying.
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They were dying on masks only, as as you've shown, you know,
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after the Industrial revolution. I mean, childbirth itself is not
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a dangerous thing per SE. No, but children were dying of
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things like diarrhea and they were dying of diseases because
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they were living in filth and their horrible conditions, and
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they had bizarre medical notions.
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All these things combined, if you were to put people today
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into those conditions, they would be dying in mass too.
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But we had a, what I call the world's greatest health
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revolution. Starting around 1875, things
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changed. People got healthier.
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They abandoned a lot of these bizarre medical notions like
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bleeding and mercury and these types of things, and people
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started living longer, healthier lives, which is not surprising.
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So the nutrition improved, the pollution dropped, and living
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conditions were far better. And as soon as that happened,
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all these, you know, these diseases basically just managed.
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So by the time you get to the 1950s, sixties, they weren't
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part of the mortality statistics.
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They were a very small part, like measles and scarlet fever
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and whooping cough. You know, people weren't dying
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of those things. It was very rare and it was
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getting more and more rare year by year.
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So what you're telling me is that mortality was reduced
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thanks to plumbers? Plumbers and a lot of people
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were involved, millions of people that, you know, protested
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living conditions because they were living in this horrible
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tenements. The, the, the, you know, you
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went to the bathroom, it went into the streets and then that
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went into your drinking supply and that's what you drank.
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The air pollution was horrible. Water pollution was horrible.
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Working conditions. People lived in a worked 12 to
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16 hours a day. Children as young as four were
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living in working in those conditions and they were working
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in mines and factories. And it's amazing people even
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lived. And a lot of people didn't they,
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you know, they made it to 20 or 30 if you were lucky, and then
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died basically just being worn out.
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It was a very horrible time for the, you know, the poor people
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poor, the rich were still OK. So if you had, if you went to
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like 1880, the West End of London, that's where the rich
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people lived and they had the carriages and the ball gowns and
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all that. The East End of London was
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horribly poor and only a few miles away.
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And those people were lived in basically in a, you know, giant
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sewer, and they were not doing well, and they struggled to even
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stay alive. As I said, your book Dissolving
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Illusions had a significant impact on me.
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It was a few years ago. In fact, I think I've told you
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the the story, but I'll just tell it again.
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I was on a hunting trip, boys weekend and I was sharing a
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sharing a room with with a friend of mine and we were
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chatting about vaccines. And he said to me, listen, I've
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got this book. Don't don't jump to conclusions,
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but just have a look through it. And and he hands me this book
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Dissolving illusions and and that just changed the course of
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history. For me, great, that's awesome.
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And you know, it, it. I don't make an argument just to
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make an argument to make myself feel good or just because I
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believe it. I, I present the data and I, you
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know, I have a presentation. We can just go through the
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charts. The charts are, you know, tell
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most of the story and the quotes from medical journals and
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history books tell the story too.
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And so when you look at all that, it's like, wow, you know,
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I think that's that alone convinces you that there's
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something at least something wrong with this whole vaccine
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narrative and this whole disease narrative, you know, that we
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should be afraid of microbes all across the board.
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And again, 1950s, nineteen 60s, most people didn't really care
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anymore there. There just wasn't a big problem.
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There were much bigger problems than that.
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And but they've turned this into a giant industry, I think.
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Well your book has made it. Your co-author Suzanne was on
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Joe Rogan's show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, you know, when we first published in 2013, I was like,
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I'm done with the vaccines. I don't want to talk about this
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anymore. I've been working on it for, you
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know, 15 years by that point, or 20 years.
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And I was like, I was burnt out. And I didn't think we'd sell
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that many books, honestly, if that would be a couple 100
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books. But it's taken off.
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I think the reason is because it presents all the data, presents
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all the, the references. So you can go check all this
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stuff. So it's a very factual book and
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we try to be fairly emotionally neutral.
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And, but the, the data speaks for itself.
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It's, it's, it's, it's amazing that it's, it, it never was
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real. Well, there are, there are
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doctors and scientists that reveal this kind of information
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periodically through history, but they just never, it never
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caught on. And they would publish in
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medical journals, but they were basically ignored by the
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mainstream. So I, I didn't think we were
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going to, you know, do that much with it.
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I just felt like I needed to publish this stuff because I had
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this information and then how it went and it's taken a life of
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its own. And some people don't like that,
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but. Do you know if RFK has seen your
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book? Yep.
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That I've been told he has and unfortunately we we still
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haven't seen the charts up on any official government website.
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Doesn't have to be my charts. It's their data.
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It's the CDC data or it's the NHS National Health Services
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data. Yeah, I just put it into a chart
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format. But the so far it's been, it
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hasn't happened. I don't know if it's being
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resisted to happen or what, but I think people should get that
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information just as a point of information so you can make an
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informed decision. But it just hasn't happened and
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I've been pushing for it but it just doesn't gain any traction.
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OK, well I know you got some slides to show me.
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OK, so there's some contact information
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dissolvingillusions.com I'm on, well currently on sub stack,
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currently on Twitter and I have a new book called Tender
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merciesbook.com. You can go there after talking
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to a few people that didn't want to read Dissolving Illusions
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because it's, you know, it's very nutrient dense.
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It's lots of references. And I've had people start in
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this, oh, I can't get through it, it's too difficult.
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So I decided to write a historical fiction book, which
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makes it more entertaining, introduces all sorts of medical
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notions of the time and how life was in London and what I think
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is the world's greatest health freedom movement that actually
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worked in Leicester, England. So that's all in the book, but
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it's presented in a, you know, more of a human, you know, drama
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kind of format. So I think it's it's been being
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well received. People really like it.
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OK, so this is basically the first charts I created.
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It's a, you know, CDC data. And here you can see these
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diseases were higher in the beginning of the century and by
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time they we came out with penicillin and streptomycin and
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the whooping cough vaccine, the measles vaccine, it was trending
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towards 0 and there was no scarlet fever vaccine.
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So just from this chart alone, you can see that the vast
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majority of the problem was solved without any real medical
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interventions. And then I was able to get data
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from England starting. They started much earlier,
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getting statistics 1838, and it's even more dramatic here.
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So during the 1800s, during the Industrial Revolution, people
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were dying from scarlet fever all the time, measles, whooping
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cough, all these types of things.
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And you can see in the chart, the chart tells you the story.
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Penicillin came out in 1944, streptomycin 1947, DTP vaccine
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and measles vaccine. Basically, we're down by almost
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100% in mortality rate, which is tremendous.
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And this should be celebrated as wow, what a great, great thing
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we did. We got rid of all these
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diseases, but it's basically just ignored.
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It's never been really talked about.
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Not very much. Here's some data from
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Massachusetts and you can see the big killer, tuberculosis,
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that was a real big killer, much bigger.
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You can see measles at the bottom of that little green
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line. This, this is a phenomenal
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killer. And again, by the time they came
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with antibiotics and the BCG vaccine were already down by 98%
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and it was trending down towards 0.
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And if anybody wants to, they can go to this link and actually
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get that real data and recreate this chart.
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It's it's not that difficult to do.
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So you can actually verify that this chart is real.
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And as a matter of fact, you can see in the in the little blue
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box, that's the references to create this chart.
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You can go find these references and redo these charts any which
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way you want. And the CDC in their vital
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statistics back in the 60s had it had charts.
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And you can go over and look at those charts in this PDF on page
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85. That's the chart they put into
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their CDC document. And here is the same chart I
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would create, you know, decades later.
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So it's the data is correct. The data matches.
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No one's ever argued about the data.
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And then there's been various, yeah, made it look pretty
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because I had technology. And then there's been books
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that's talked about these types of things.
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Deaths from whooping cough, 97% occurred between 19 O 1 and
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1945. And this is from a particular
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book and they showed this particular chart in a bar bar
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format, but it basically shows the same thing.
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Whooping cough was basically tackled well before there was a
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vaccine. The various quotes that you can
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find in the medical literature. And this is talking about
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measles from 1959. So here, here they're talking
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about over the, you know, a decade, they saw almost no
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complications of any age of any children.
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Everybody made full of recoveries from measles.
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It was basically just something you got.
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It was mild. It was not a big deal.
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Here's another article and this guy's questioning whether you
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really need a whooping cough vaccine because it was a mild,
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mild disease by that point and very small mortality.
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And this is by 1960. Again, The Lancet.
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No evidence that vaccination played a major role in the
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decline incidence and mortality. So he was arguing again against,
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you know, this mass vaccination idea.
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And this is another good one. Whooping cough, measles are no
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longer important causes of death or severe illness except in the
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small minority of intents who are usually otherwise
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disadvantaged. So most children escaped
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without, you know, who were not vaccinated.
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It's not, it's not, it's not a big deal.
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Wasn't a big huge issue. And this is a very good study to
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go read again, the study, you can go find the study at the
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bottom of the slide that tells you what the name of the study
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is. You can go find it and you can
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read the study yourself. So most cases of whooping cough
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are mild. When I was starting this, I
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always thought you basically coughed and coughed and coughed
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to death. But a lot of times you can't
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even tell somebody has whooping cough.
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You know, the particular bacteria that's supposed to be
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involved in that. And so parents can be reassured
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the serious outcome is unlikely. So they often try to scare you
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that you're going to your child's going to cough to death.
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But most of the time it was just mild, like a mild cough.
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Pediatrics talked about the 90% of decline of infectious
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diseases and mortality among children before 1940, before
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vaccines or antibiotics. This guy in 1951 talked about
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the, you know, all these diseases are declining and it's
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that had nothing to do with antibiotics and all these
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things. And he basically concluded
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there's some other overall factor that was causing the
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decline in all these diseases because it wasn't the vaccines
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or antibiotics or other medical interventions.
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And then there was a study published in 1977 and they
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looked at, you know, how much medical interventions actually
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improve things. But they they said at most 3.5%
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of the total decline in mortality since 1900 were, you
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know, basically tied to medical notions like antibiotics and
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vaccines. And there they showed a chart
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and they showed the decreasing immortality.
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And this showed the gross national product, how much
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percent of the medical care went to GDP.
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And what's really interesting is if you look at this, you see in
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1930 it was like 5% of our or 3 1/2 percent of GDP and then by
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1978 1/2%. Today it's approaching 20%.
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We're spending so much on so-called healthcare, which is
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really medical care and we're doing far worse now.
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We have obesity rates, you know, off the scale.
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People are deficient in vitamin D.
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All sorts of things are going really negative despite us
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spending more and more and more on healthcare.
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This is interesting chart where you show the pertussis or
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whooping cough vaccine came in 1957.
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You can see the total deaths had dropped to close to 0 In the
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70s. There was a scare in
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neurological damage from the DTB vaccine, so vaccination rates
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drop. That's that dotted blue line.
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But you'll notice that when it drops by to 30%, there was no
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increase in deaths. There's no big spike up in
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deaths that didn't happen. So they eventually got the
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vaccination rates back up to 90%.
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But there's, you know, didn't it didn't affect the death rate at
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all. In Sweden, they determined that
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the DTB vaccine was ineffective and it was concerns over safety.
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So they suspended national vaccination for DTB.
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And in this chart, you can see for 17 years they had no
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vaccination, national vaccination program.
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But there's no increase in deaths.
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And even by 1953, when they started using the DTB vaccine,
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deaths were, you know, near 0. And if we zoom in a little bit,
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we can see that there's no change.
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There's no more deaths from DT, you know, from whooping cough
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than when there was no vaccine being used.
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And then there's an interesting, you know, I don't want to get
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too deep into this, but the, there, the DTB vaccine was
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causing neurological damage. And they used, they argued for
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decades over how often that happens and whether it's true,
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which is not true. And they went back and forth.
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But they eventually came out with a, what they called
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attenuated pertussis. So it's a more mild kind of
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vaccine. So most of the time in the
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Western world they use the DTAP vaccine.
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But the problem with the DTEP vaccine is because it has less
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surface antigens, it doesn't have the same effect as the DTP
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vaccine. And So what this guy, Doctor
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James Cherry, who is the world's leading expert in pertussis and
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pertussis immunization, noted because of this linked epitome
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suppression, which is what they used to call original antigenic
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sentence, which means when you got the when you get the shot,
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it programs your immune system in a particular way and you
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can't change that. So that's what they call link
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epitome suppression. He says all children who are
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primed by Dtap vaccines will be more susceptible to pertussis
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whooping cough throughout their lifetimes.
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And there's no easy way to decrease this increased lifetime
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susceptibility. So he suggests administering
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Dtap, Tdap vaccine every three years to all adolescents for
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adults who are primed by the Dtap vaccine.
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So amazingly, there's he suggesting that you should get
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this vaccine every three years for the rest of your life, Not
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that this was a total disaster and a failure.
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That's just like, oh, we'll just give you a vaccine every three
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years. Like it's no big deal.
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It, it, it's this, this should have just blown the, the, the
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wheels off the bus saying, oh, wow, you guys totally screwed
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up. Now we have to get a vaccine
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every three years because you made us program in a particular
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direction. We can also look at the flu,
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flu, pneumonia. They're lumped together.
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You see that brown line and the big spike that goes off is the
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1918 flu pandemic. So it started at deaths 200 per
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100,000 and dropped down to into the 30s.
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And you can see most of the 90% of the decrease happened before
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they started vaccinating. The dotted blue line is the
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vaccination coverage rate. So they slowly got it up by the,
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you know, 2000s or so up to 6070%.
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And this is in, you know, the 65 year older and you see the brown
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line out there basically says flat line.
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Nothing really changes as the vaccination rates increase.
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And if we zoom in on that, we can see that the vaccination
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rates increased to 6070% and the brown line kind of goes up.
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So the mortality rate increases for a while and then decreases.
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But over that 40 years, there's really no change in mortality
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rate. So the vaccine hasn't
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accomplished anything in mortality rate.
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And you see that dotted blue line that's basically flat
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lined. That's the trend line.
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So there's no real change and very interestingly in a paper in
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cell host and microbe, these three authors and Fauci's the
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third author on this paper and I just want to read this part.
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After more than 60 years of experience in influenza
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vaccines, very little improvement in vaccine
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prevention of infection has been noted.
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That's like a wow. As pointed out decades ago and
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still true today, the rates of effectiveness are best.
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Approved influenza vaccines would be inadequate for
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licensure. It is not surprising that none
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of the predominantly mucosal respiratory virus has ever been
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effectively controlled by vaccines.
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Vaccines against non systemic mucosal respiratory virus with
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high mortality rates have thus far eluded vaccine efforts.
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So after 60 years of failure, they're going to keep on going
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because they have new ideas and new RNA technology.
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But here they're admitting the vaccine hasn't worked, but they
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still tell you you get the flu shot every year.
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I have a new chart here that I hadn't you probably haven't seen
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before because I haven't published it anywhere.
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So this is a smallpox. So you can see smallpox is the
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red line going up and down, up and down.
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And we had various vaccination acts put in in England.
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So in 1853, they had very strict compulsory laws.
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They made them even tougher in 1867 and you can see up and
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down, up and down, smallpox is still killing people.
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But in 1885, which was the same year of the Great Leicester
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revolution to stop vaccination, it suddenly drops and it drops
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for 10 years, at least according to the data.
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So it used to be about 30 per 100,000 and it dropped to in one
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or two. And what happened there is they
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took smallpox cases and isolated them.
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They took him out of London and put him on a barge, basically a
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hospital barge. And so the deaths just dropped.
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So what's, what's important to note here is during that whole
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time of strict vaccination in London, they still had deaths
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from smallpox. It didn't, they didn't solve the
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problem. That's a half century up and
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down, up and down. People still dying about the
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same rate. And if you look at the trend
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line, it's essentially the same. I mean, it's pretty flat lined.
25:20
So nothing has really changed, including that bat masses spike
25:24
up in around 1872 where they had huge epidemic of smallpox.
25:31
So when we look at this data, the data shows that things
25:34
didn't, the vaccine didn't fix anything.
25:38
Things stayed the same. What fixed it was isolating
25:41
cases. And they, they talk about this,
25:46
this data is from a royal Commission.
25:49
So it was printed in 1896 and they concluded in 1885, the
25:54
Metropolitan Asylum Boards began to convey smallpox patients by
25:57
steamer to a floating hospital on the Thames, Right.
26:02
The comparative immunity of London has been enjoyed the
26:05
recent years is no doubt due to this policy which has been so
26:08
vigilantly carried out. But we forgot about this piece
26:12
of history. Instead they, you know, people
26:14
claim it was the smallpox vaccine that saved us, right?
26:18
And the data shows that's just simply not true.
26:26
We can also look at other places and this is Leicester, England.
26:30
Around 1885 vaccinations really dropped off because the
26:34
population had overthrown their local government and said no,
26:38
we're not being vaccinated anymore.
26:40
We can you can choose to do it, but you can couldn't be
26:43
compulsory anymore. And you can see their
26:45
vaccination rates the blue line and dropped off and and trended
26:49
towards zero, 10% zero. And then you would expect, and
26:55
this is what the medical officials of the time expected
26:57
was there was going to be massive increases in deaths from
27:00
smallpox and Lester, but instead the opposite was true.
27:04
The deaths remained near 0 even when vaccination rates were
27:08
very, very low. That ideology of not vaccinating
27:15
or not being forced to be vaccinated spread through all of
27:18
England and you can see the dotted blue line.
27:20
Vaccination rates dropped and dropped and dropped.
27:23
Still 40% in 1920s. But there was no resurge in the
27:27
small pox. And this is what was talked
27:29
about in the medical literature. Well, sooner or later we're all
27:31
going to pay horribly because we're not taking this vaccine.
27:35
But that never happened. In this chart you can see in
27:41
Leicester the many lines going up and down.
27:45
Those are the various age groups.
27:47
And during the time of vaccination, during those half
27:50
century, you can see the lines went up and down and the
27:54
mortality rate for children didn't really change.
27:57
It was all basically the same. It's pretty flat lined.
27:59
It was only when vaccination rates dropped and they started
28:03
basically the health revolution, cleaning up sewers, getting
28:07
children out of mines and factories, you know, do all that
28:11
clean up so that people lived a better life.
28:14
And you can see that the mortality rate for children
28:17
continue to decline and decline. So by 1910, it was on its way,
28:23
trending towards 0. A smart doctor, Millard in 1914
28:31
wrote a book, The Vaccination, questioned the light of modern
28:35
experience, and here he noticed the same thing.
28:38
The vaccination rate curve was dropping, but so too was enteric
28:44
fever, scarlet fever, and smallpox.
28:46
They all declined at the same time.
28:48
So he he concluded there's got to be other factors that are
28:51
involved. It wasn't the vaccine that was
28:53
doing all this stuff and then the vaccine was decreasing, so
28:56
therefore it couldn't have been the vaccine.
28:59
Unfortunately, his book, like many other things were ignored
29:05
and by the 191940 in this article from public health
29:11
reports, you could see that the the number of deaths, the case
29:15
fatality rate all just declined for smallpox at the same time as
29:19
vaccination rates were dropping. So, you know, when you take all
29:25
this data together, all these different diseases put together
29:29
and all the data shows that it wasn't vaccines or antibiotics
29:33
that, you know, saved us from everything.
29:36
It would appear to me that what has saved us is environment and
29:45
what we eat and stress and or or or lack of stress, etcetera.
29:50
Yeah, right. All of those put together.
29:53
I mean, people were living a better life by the 1930s,
29:56
forties and 50s. Their lives are so much better
30:00
than it was. And there were people alive then
30:03
that realized how things were horrible then and they were very
30:06
happy and grateful. But we forgot that history.
30:10
So you can imagine living in the East End of London where you
30:14
lived maybe 10-12 people to a room with no ventilation.
30:19
You're you went to the bathroom in a, you know, basically a
30:23
Privy all together. That stuff went into the streets
30:26
that washed into your water supply.
30:29
Your food was rotten because there was no refrigeration.
30:33
So you had to eat whatever you can get your hands on, stale,
30:36
stale old bread and, and rotten meat.
30:40
And you had to work just to survive, you know, 12 hours, 16
30:45
hours a day. And you had to send your kids to
30:47
these factories to make a few extra pennies.
30:51
The pollution was horrible. The London fog wasn't a a fog
30:55
per SE. It was industrial pollution.
30:59
So you had all these different factors together.
31:01
And then when you got sick, people would do things like
31:04
bleed you or they had something called a hot regimen.
31:07
They would put you into a room, make it very hot, cover your
31:11
blankets, don't give you any water.
31:12
The idea was you're going to sweat the disease out, and that
31:15
caused a lot of deaths. So you had these ridiculous
31:18
medical notions and vaccination. The what we think of vaccination
31:24
now is like there's a nice needle, they put some alcohol in
31:27
there and they inject you with something.
31:28
But that's not what a vaccine really was back then.
31:32
They would take this sharp instrument called The Lancet.
31:35
They would cut your arm repeatedly and put this material
31:38
from that they got from somebody else's arm, an arm to arm.
31:42
Vaccination was done for essentially 100 years until they
31:47
finally made it illegal in 1898. So what they would be doing is
31:52
spreading pus from one person's arm to another person's arm to
31:55
another person's arm. And you can imagine putting some
31:58
pus into your bloodstream might end badly.
32:02
But this is what the vaccine was.
32:07
So that also died down. Vaccination died down.
32:10
So that was another factor why people got healthier.
32:13
It's still bonkers to me though, that so many people think that
32:17
an injection in your arm can give you improved health for
32:21
years to come. Yeah, well, that's that's the
32:27
kind of the notion, right? And that started, like I said,
32:30
300 years ago. So this is Thomas Sydenham.
32:34
He was the father of English medicine, and he noticed some of
32:39
the things we're talking about here.
32:40
So if no mischief be done either by physician or nurse, smallpox
32:44
is the most slight and safe of all diseases.
32:46
I'm like, wow, you know, that seemed kind of crazy.
32:49
The thing is, they were treating smallpox in a particular way.
32:54
They were putting you in a hot room and giving you no water.
32:59
So of course, people died in in masse.
33:02
And he decided, well, that's a bad idea.
33:04
We're going to use the cold regimen, which is the opposite
33:07
of that. And then he didn't have any
33:09
problems with these kind of cases.
33:13
He actually talked to this Doctor Cole and they had letters
33:16
back and forth and Doctor Cole the same this, you know, showed
33:19
the same thing. And he was thanking Dr. Sydenham
33:22
for solving the mystery of smallpox.
33:24
That's we don't have to worry about smallpox anymore.
33:26
And this is back in the late 1600s.
33:31
But then I'm skipping a whole bunch of history because it's
33:35
quite long. But Edward Jenner came along and
33:38
replaced this idea of inoculation.
33:40
Inoculation was originally started in 1720s and that was
33:45
taking something from somebody who had smallpox and scratching
33:48
it onto your arm to give you smallpox.
33:50
So then you wouldn't have to worry about smallpox later.
33:53
That was the idea. But that didn't really work out
33:56
too well. So people are still dying from
33:57
smallpox. So Edward Jenner came along and
33:59
came up with this idea. I'm going to take some stuff
34:02
from an animal, a cow or he thought actually it was a horse,
34:07
and we're going to put that onto your arm and then we'll take the
34:11
lesions from your arm, which he said was, you know, what he
34:15
called cow poxing and spread it to the other people.
34:17
So it's basically the same methodology.
34:19
It was just started off with an animal.
34:22
But through those various decades, no one could decide
34:27
what, you know, what a vaccine really was because they thought
34:30
it came from a cow or maybe a horse or even a goat or even a
34:35
Buffalo. So they would take these
34:37
different mixtures and put it on people's arms and then determine
34:40
whether they thought it worked. And then they would spread it
34:42
from that person's arm to another person's arm, another
34:44
person's arm. So that's how a vaccine really
34:48
worked. Idea behind the term vaccine
34:51
because it used to be called cow poxing.
34:53
And vaca is the word for cow. So it had to do with this cow
34:58
pox notion. Later on, it morphed into, you
35:02
know, protecting you from other diseases.
35:03
But that's what the original notion was. 1814, this guy John
35:09
Birch noted that the idea of putting people in hot chambers
35:15
and gave him these cordials and things like that, he determined
35:18
was 2/3 of the reason people died from smallpox.
35:21
It wasn't they were just getting him a microbe and then dying.
35:25
It was, it was these conditions, the bad conditions they were in,
35:28
these mistakes and medical notions.
35:33
And here, here is what a Lancet was.
35:35
There's different lancets, different sharp instruments that
35:37
they would actually, you know, bring you into a room, cut you
35:41
repeatedly and then put this stuff into your arm.
35:44
And so that picture on the left is what your arm would end up
35:47
looking like. That was considered a success.
35:50
And as a matter of fact, when that died down, if it, it didn't
35:54
go badly, you would get these marks, which they would call
35:57
scarification. So they knew that was your
35:59
original vaccine card. They could look at your arm and
36:03
see that you were vaccinated at some point because those scars
36:06
would stay for life. But if it went badly, that's the
36:12
picture on the right, then you could have this massive sore.
36:14
You could lose your arm. You could die, as you might
36:18
expect if you put pus into your bloodstream.
36:24
And again, this is the accepted medical idea of the time, that
36:27
this was a great idea. This was a great invention.
36:32
So this diagram kind of gives you an idea of what a smallpox
36:36
vaccine was. It could come from a horse, a
36:40
cow, a Buffalo, a pig, all these different animal sources that
36:45
they would basically take and then scratch onto your arm.
36:50
There was a faction in the the yellow circles are the main
36:52
factions, or it was from a horse, a cow.
36:55
It could also come from somebody who died from a smallpox or was
36:58
exposed to, you know, there was a blanket that they, they, they
37:02
slept with and they would hang that on the cow's head to get
37:05
the cow to have the same illness.
37:09
And then they would take that and scratch it onto your arm.
37:12
So it either came from a house, from a house, from a horse, a
37:16
cow or a corpse. And then that from there it
37:20
would go from person to person, as it shows on the right.
37:23
And that's arm to arm vaccination that went on for 100
37:26
years. And then they said they had
37:29
something called retro vaccination where they would
37:31
take the the pus from the animal, put it on the human.
37:34
And after a while, when it didn't seem like it was very
37:36
strong, they would put it, put it back on the animal and then
37:38
back to humans and back to animals.
37:42
And as you might imagine, there was blood and bacteria and
37:45
fungus and yeasts and all sorts of stuff in that concoction,
37:48
which they found by the later 1800s, as they looked under the
37:52
microscope, they would look at this vaccine material as filled
37:55
with microbes. So they the original idea of
37:59
these vaccinators is that they thought it was filled with just
38:02
vaccine virus, and that's all that was in that material.
38:06
But it turned out that wasn't true at all.
38:09
So this is kind of what a real vaccine was.
38:14
And here's an example of this doctor got a letter back from
38:18
this vaccine company and they had to admit that the vaccine
38:22
wasn't from a cow. It was from some tramp having
38:25
smallpox who slept in the stable.
38:27
That's how they got this vaccine material to get started.
38:31
So again, you had three different things.
38:32
It's from a cow, it's from a horse, and it was from a corpse
38:36
who died from smallpox. And they would scratch that onto
38:39
a cow and then go from person to person to person, and sometimes
38:46
it would end in disaster. There's not too many pictures
38:49
from that time. But this is poor, unfortunate
38:51
Miss Fanny Lent, who got vaccinated, turned into
38:55
basically a skeleton and died, died a horrible death.
39:00
And, you know, these types of things were often just just
39:02
ignored because who wants to talk about that?
39:04
They want to talk about the successful medical intervention.
39:10
Again, you know, if we look at the data, this isn't Leicester
39:14
the, the vaccine because the people protested and won in
39:20
1885. The vaccination rates dropped,
39:25
but there's no increase in smallpox sets.
39:31
And if you'd notice that big spike up there in 1872, they
39:35
talked about that in The Lancet, how many people died despite
39:38
being vaccinated. So the the the hospitals were
39:42
overwhelmed and this is the genesis of the main anti
39:48
vaccination movement because people experienced that the
39:52
vaccine didn't work in 1871 to 73.
39:57
They also experienced that they could get severely injured by
40:00
the vaccine and they knew people who died from the vaccine.
40:03
And so by 1880, slowly over those.
40:07
A few years by 1885 they said no, we're not doing it.
40:11
They organized a protest of between 20,000 and 100,000
40:14
people in Leicester. They marched and they the
40:18
following year they voted out all the pro vaccine people in
40:21
their government and they installed a new government that
40:24
said no, you don't have to get vaccinated.
40:26
The vaccination rates dropped, but there was no resurgence of
40:32
smallpox. It actually stayed very low.
40:35
And then Lester did better than all the surrounding towns that
40:38
still have vaccination. And here is some documentation
40:44
that the vaccinate rate, vaccination rates kept on
40:47
declining 50% by 19 fourteen, 18% by 1948.
40:52
So the, the, there's this notion that people had this vaccine
40:56
going for a long time, and that's how smallpox was banished
40:58
from the planet, which isn't true.
41:02
Another interesting thing is smallpox became a very mild
41:06
disease. Here's a picture of a gentleman
41:09
that was smallpox. If you go on the Internet or you
41:12
go into these medical books, they'll always show the worst
41:15
case of smallpox. They're like totally filled with
41:19
pustules. But by the early 1900s, this
41:23
what was smallpox was like. It was very mild.
41:28
There's another case of small, mild, small pox.
41:31
So by that time they're talking about how mild small pox was.
41:36
It was hard to tell between small pox and chicken pox.
41:41
And again, the small pox because it became mild, we had a
41:45
fatality rate that was decreased by, you know, almost 99%.
41:52
And again, the the journal articles here are at the bottom
41:55
of the slide. So you can go look up this
41:59
journal article and then see that this quote is accurate.
42:02
You can read the whole whole article now.
42:06
Doctor Millard, who followed this for his entire career, you
42:12
know, also wrote about this in the British Medical Journal.
42:15
Vaccination has been steadily declining ever since the
42:17
conscience clause, which was in 1898, where you didn't have to
42:22
get vaccinated. You could just say, well, it's
42:24
against my principles, fill out a little form.
42:27
And most of the time you were allowed not to get the vaccine.
42:31
So as soon as that was introduced, 2/3 of children born
42:34
are not vaccinated yet. Smallpox mortality is also
42:37
declined until quite negligible. Pretty much nobody was dying
42:41
from smallpox despite no vaccination.
42:46
And Thomas Mack noted that and he is one of the boots on the
42:52
ground. He was an expert in this area.
42:54
He said it's not because of our mass herd immunity.
42:57
It disappeared because of our economic development.
42:59
It's not from universal vaccination.
43:03
And he also noted disappearance of smallpox was facilitated, not
43:07
impeded by economic development, which is what we were talking
43:10
about long before the World Health Organization smallpox
43:14
eradication program. So all these countries smallpox
43:17
basically disappeared and became not of any significance, not
43:21
from universally vaccinating them.
43:28
That's the story of smallpox and vaccination.
43:31
It's, it's, it's a crazy story. It's it was never really a good
43:35
idea. And it's morphed into other
43:38
vaccines, other notions of protecting you from the outside
43:41
world when the real solution is having a healthy society and a
43:45
healthy, healthy people. But that's the entire story of
43:50
vaccines, actually. Yeah, but basically, I mean,
43:55
there's always more and more detail, but, you know, the data
43:58
shows it, the history books show it.
44:02
And it's, it's really kind of bizarre.
44:05
Actually. It should have been kind of
44:09
laughed at by the early 1900s. Like, wow, you know, this is
44:12
really ridiculous. Charles Crichton talked about
44:14
it. He was a a brilliant man.
44:17
Unfortunately, he wrote books against vaccination in his
44:20
fellow doctors were not too appreciative of that.
44:23
He actually wrote in the Encyclopedia Britannica in the
44:26
1880s a very critical article about vaccination, which stayed
44:35
there until the 1920s when it got removed and was replaced
44:40
with vaccine therapies. Vaccine therapies are going to
44:43
help us and save us from many things.
44:46
So they deleted his his work and replaced it with the idea that
44:51
we're going to vaccinate for everything.
44:53
And you can go look that up in these old encyclopedias.
45:00
Roman, do you know of any vaccine historically that has
45:05
had a positive net benefit? I don't think so.
45:14
I mean, the big, the big killers were tuberculosis.
45:18
That was the biggest killer. We don't vaccinate for
45:21
tuberculosis in the United States.
45:22
I know they do in other countries, but we don't have big
45:25
outbreaks of tuberculosis everywhere.
45:27
You know, we don't vaccinate for that.
45:29
Scarlet fever was one of the bigger killers.
45:34
We don't vaccinate for scarlet fever.
45:36
Nobody worries about scarlet fever, even though there was a
45:38
much bigger killer than smallpox or whooping cough or measles.
45:45
Whooping cough and measles, they the mortality rate had declined
45:48
by almost 100% by the time they came out with vaccines for it.
45:52
And we saw in the charts that when whooping cough was
45:54
interrupted because the people were rightly worried about
46:00
neurological damage from the DTP vaccine, there was no big
46:04
resurgence of anything. The smallpox vaccine, as we've
46:08
seen, didn't solve the problem in London or Leicester.
46:12
It was only when the vaccine started being used less that
46:15
things got better. And the health revolution is
46:18
what really took care of the problem.
46:20
So we have where's where's the evidence that shows that these
46:24
are great ideas? Now we have like tons of other
46:27
vaccines. But it's interesting because all
46:30
these other diseases weren't any part of, you know, a part of any
46:34
mortality statistics. So if you look at those old
46:38
mortality statistics, they weren't dying from chicken pox
46:41
or RSV or whatever new things they have.
46:44
They're trying to protect you from there's, you know, so why
46:48
are we doing all that stuff? To prevent illness, supposedly.
46:52
But they weren't a big deal back in the 1800s and 1900s RSV, you
46:58
know, So, but why are we doing that now?
47:01
So maybe they haven't some kind of benefit, but I don't know.
47:04
It's certainly not improving a lot of mortality.
47:08
And that's why they have to keep banging the same drum telling
47:12
you that vaccines are safe and effective.
47:20
Yeah, that started with Edward Jenner.
47:21
He said that in 18 O2. He said yeah, this my my
47:27
invention because he wanted to be famous.
47:29
And yeah, he became famous. My invention of cow boxing is
47:34
very gentle very safe and will banish smallpox from the planet
47:38
and it's so he was saying it's safe and effective right and
47:42
that idea has stuck it's just an automatic knee jerk reaction to
47:47
any vaccine. It's automatically safe and
47:49
effective. It doesn't matter who makes it,
47:51
what's in it, how it's administered, it's automatically
47:54
safe and effective. That's just the, that's just
47:57
been been programmed to, to human beings to think that.
48:01
But again, you know, were these really necessary?
48:05
And they certainly weren't safe, as we saw with Miss Miss Lent
48:08
there. And, and lots and lots of the
48:10
people were killed from these, these ideas of scratching stuff
48:14
onto your arm. But those, those were just not
48:18
something they wanted to talk about.
48:20
We just want to talk about how great it is and how it saved us.
48:24
So I I don't see any real evidence that any of these
48:29
vaccines have improved lifespan and saved lives, certainly not
48:38
from the historical data. But what makes vaccines a
48:43
brilliant product for pharmaceutical companies is that
48:48
it's pretty much impossible to kind of falsify.
48:52
So they go, well you got sick 7 years at 7 years old because you
48:59
didn't get vaccinated when you were six months old.
49:03
Now, how do you even begin to to argue this?
49:10
Well, as we saw with Doctor Cherry, he says, you know, the
49:14
vaccine wears off after three, three years.
49:17
So people did notice, like, for example, the whooping cough
49:20
vaccine that, well, maybe you didn't get it when you were a
49:23
kid, but then you would get it as an adolescent.
49:26
So it shifted. Things shifted around.
49:28
So then they have to say, well, then you have to have another
49:31
booster. So they can always like, say,
49:33
well, it kind of worked, but we just have to add boosters.
49:37
And they did that with a smallpox vaccine.
49:40
So Jenner's original idea, it was to protect you for life and
49:44
it was easy and safe. Well, that turned out after a
49:49
couple decades. Well, people are still getting
49:51
smallpox. So what are we going to do?
49:53
The idea of revaccination was born.
49:56
So we're going to revaccinate you.
49:58
And that started out, well, maybe we have to do it every 10
50:01
years. Some people thought every three
50:03
years. Some people thought every year.
50:06
Some people thought you just keep vaccinating until you don't
50:08
get a reaction on your arm. So this idea, you know, it's
50:13
like, oh, we're going to protect you with a single shot never
50:16
works. They always have to add more and
50:18
more and more trying to compensate for what they did.
50:22
Whenever a doctor talks about getting a vaccine, they never
50:27
include anything to do with sunshine, diet, health, nothing.
50:33
Just get this vaccine. Well, I think that's in general
50:36
for our entire medical system. We've confused healthcare with
50:39
medical care, and Healthcare is really in your ballpark.
50:44
It's your responsibility, you know, get plenty of rest, drink
50:48
clean fluids, eat Whole Foods, you know, exercise, have a good
50:56
relationship with your family and friends.
50:59
Don't be afraid. Don't be terrified because fear
51:02
in itself is a disease promoter. So do all the things for you and
51:06
your and your family and your local community.
51:10
Then you don't have much of a problem if you're going to
51:14
Dunkin' Donuts and not exercising and watching media
51:18
and being scared and having no social interactions because,
51:23
well, we have Facebook. Of course, that's social
51:25
interaction and all this other garbage.
51:28
Then you end up being sickly, and then sickly means you have
51:32
heart disease and diabetes and cancer and all these other
51:36
issues that you probably wouldn't have had if you were,
51:40
you know, living a healthy lifestyle.
51:43
So then you have to go get healthcare, which is really
51:46
medical care to try to patch things up to compensate for bad
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lifestyle decisions and choices and things you are thrust into.
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I know plenty of people are trapped into, well, I'm too busy
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so I have to have a cup of coffee and I don't have time to
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eat right. And I don't have time to go to
52:03
the gym and I'm really stressed and I have to watch, you know,
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fear porn non-stop on, you know, whatever, YouTube or whatever.
52:13
And I don't have time for friends and they end up in a you
52:16
end up in a disaster. And then you go to the doctor
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like, well, you know, cholesterol is a little high.
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Here's some this and that and the other thing.
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And, you know, have you got your flu shot?
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You better get that before you get sick and die.
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And, you know, but I think all of it is just a broken system.
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And I think if we went back to the 1950s where we only percent,
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you know, used about 3 1/2 percent of our GDP on so-called
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medical, you know, healthcare, medical care, we would be much
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better off. Hospitals could be there for,
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you know, accidents, which it does great at, or other things
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like that, but not continuously, like trying to fix lifestyle
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problems. Do you ever feel like you, you
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just, you know, shouting into the void?
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Yes, that's so I've, you know, I've talked about this for way
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too long. It's like, OK, we're going to
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talk about this again. It's like, you know, it's it's
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second nature to me, but a lot of people haven't seen this
53:13
information. So it's getting out there.
53:16
I saw Aaron Siri doing a similar chart about measles and decline
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mortality rate 98% and some kind of video.
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So it's getting out there and more and more people realize
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that and a lot of people have shifted their ideas about it.
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And, you know, recently they decreased the vaccine schedule
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here. I think a lot of that is because
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people are like tired of having so many vaccines.
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So if we reduce it, they'll still vaccinate for the, you
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know, key diseases like measles. So I think it's, it's, it's a
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little bit of a little bit of marketing, make sure everybody
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still stays with the main vaccines.
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But anyway, people are learning more and more.
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So I'm hoping that it, you know, takes root and people also not
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just like, oh, just don't get the vaccine, but, you know, get
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healthier, right? So eat Whole Foods, exercise,
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all these types of things, get rest.
54:04
And you know, don't listen to these people that are trying to
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scare you all the time about every damn topic on the planet.
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So I think if we do that, then we have a healthy society, not a
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sick society. That's that's where we need to
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go and get away from these top down government tells you you
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got to do all these things. Yeah, stop doom scrolling.
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Doom scrolling. Yeah, no kidding.
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That's very scary stuff. And that's why I wrote this
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Tender Mercy's book, because people don't want to read, you
54:35
know, nutrient dense, Lots of references.
54:38
You can be entertained and kind of learn a little bit more about
54:40
history. And I think it's very inspiring
54:44
because, you know, they're, they end up in Leicester.
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They're fighting the good fight against the vaccine laws of the
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time, compulsory laws. And, you know, history shows
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they win. Oh, if anybody wants any of
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these slides and want any of this info, just send me an
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e-mail. I'll I'll send it to you.
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Well, I was just about to say, how can my audience get in
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contact with you and follow your work?
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Yeah. Oh, so dissolvingillusions.com
55:10
is probably the best way to get to me or attended mercysbook.com
55:14
and then you can find me on Twitter or they call it X now
55:17
whatever or sub stack. It's not that hard.
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I also have a Telegram channel so you can you just find me
55:23
there instead of trying to read that.
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OK, Roman, best genic. Thank you for joining me in the
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trenches.