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Wired To Hunt Podcast #208: Theodore Roosevelt, Western Whitetails and Drop Tine Antlers · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number two oh eight
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  Speaker 1: and taking the show. We are talking about Theodore Roosevelt.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about scouting and hunting for western white tails,
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  Speaker 1: talking about big drop time shed antlers and what it's
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  Speaker 1: like to pick up one of those, and finally I
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  Speaker 1: share my most recent near death experience. All right, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by
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  Speaker 1: said good Gear and Tan the show. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a fun one because I'm here with my buddy Dan
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  Speaker 1: Johnson and the man known as Further and and uh,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna be talking about a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different things related to the trip that I was just
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  Speaker 1: on last week with Furtz when we went out to
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  Speaker 1: North Dakota and Montana and me and me and Further
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  Speaker 1: were out there scouting for white tails and doing some
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  Speaker 1: shed hunting and learning a little bit about Theodore Roosevelt too,
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  Speaker 1: So I figured we could talk about all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about, Mr Roosevelt. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Western white tail hunting. I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how to pull off a shed hunt like this
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  Speaker 1: and tell all the stories of of the week we had. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my game plan. Dan, Is that sound okay
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  Speaker 1: by you? Yep, I'm all for. I must say that
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  Speaker 1: I followed along more than any other story, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like Instagram story or on social media or whatever. I
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  Speaker 1: followed along kind of really curious about what was all
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  Speaker 1: going down out there and what were your thoughts while
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  Speaker 1: you watch that? What were my thoughts? Yeah, my thoughts
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  Speaker 1: were was my name even brought up in the initial
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  Speaker 1: conversation about going out there as far as far as Hey,
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  Speaker 1: should we invite Dan Johnson? Because that would I think
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  Speaker 1: he would like that trip. Let's be honest about this.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You couldn't. You couldn't. You won't answer that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care if this is your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Don't answer that. Because my same friends who I went
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  Speaker 1: to high school with and who I've known for almost
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years maybe even more, they don't have kids,
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  Speaker 1: and they stop invite me to do ship because they
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  Speaker 1: think I can't go to it because I have three kids.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So don't pull that bs. You put me,
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  Speaker 1: you put yourself in this position. Dan, No, No, the invite,
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  Speaker 1: the invites can still come. I can you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you know. Isn't it Isn't it more painful
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  Speaker 1: to get invited to something they like I can't do
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  Speaker 1: it than just never know about it at all? Nope? Nope,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely not. How How am I supposed to not know
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  Speaker 1: about it? I follow you all social media and I'm
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  Speaker 1: here doing a podcast with you. I mean, obviously you'll
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  Speaker 1: know about it, but if it makes you feel any better,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't invite anyone. It was the last minute thing.
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  Speaker 1: At the last second. I was like, John, I know
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  Speaker 1: Josh has got the schedule, he can come along with
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  Speaker 1: me to do this, and you know he was able
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  Speaker 1: to do it. But I do feel a little bad
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  Speaker 1: that you and some of my other buddies were following
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  Speaker 1: along watching this all happen, and um, it was a
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  Speaker 1: trip that I would have been very jealous of too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm usually on the other end of this. I'm usually
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  Speaker 1: watching other people do a cool trip like this, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm upset, and uh, I just got luckier this time
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  Speaker 1: worked out? Hey further? Would three have? Would would three
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  Speaker 1: have been a crowd on this trip would three have
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  Speaker 1: been too many? Uh, I mean I wouldn't have brought
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  Speaker 1: home as many antlers then, So yeah, I guess so,
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  Speaker 1: or we could have covered more ground, that's true. That's true. No,
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  Speaker 1: this kind of trip you could plan to do with
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  Speaker 1: more people. You just would have to find a lot
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  Speaker 1: more spots, that's all. So it worked out. It worked
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  Speaker 1: out good because you know, a big part of what
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  Speaker 1: this trip was about, it wasn't about the shed hunting
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  Speaker 1: and the scouting and stuff. It was about this project
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  Speaker 1: that I'm working on personally, um, this public land project.
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  Speaker 1: So I needed to go to North Dakota and some
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  Speaker 1: of these areas where Theodore Roosevelt spent some important years
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  Speaker 1: of his life. So I needed to go there, and
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  Speaker 1: I had to do some research stuff. I had to
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  Speaker 1: go visit the National Park there. I had to go
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  Speaker 1: do some kind of check out some museums and different
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  Speaker 1: things on those lines. And that's kind of stuff that
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  Speaker 1: I knew that, you know, if people just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: come along for a shed hunting trip, they weren't gonna
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  Speaker 1: be interested and possibly having to devote several days of
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So um, So that was the
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  Speaker 1: big impetus for this trip was I had to go
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  Speaker 1: and do that stuff. But then I got to thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: for going out there for this, maybe I can you know,
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  Speaker 1: loop in some deer hunting, scouting, some shed hunting and
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  Speaker 1: kind of make this grand trip out of it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And so so that's what we did. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it in detail, but real quick before we
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  Speaker 1: dive down that road, Dan really fast, do you have
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  Speaker 1: any updates of significance that we need to touch on
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  Speaker 1: in the life of Dan Johnson. No, I don't have any.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to hear about trip. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to because this stuff does interest me, like the whole
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  Speaker 1: the whole Teddy Roosevelt thing. Yeah. Yeah, So so let's
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  Speaker 1: start there then, because you know, as I mentioned, we went.
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  Speaker 1: We headed out to western North Dakota, UM in this
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  Speaker 1: region where they kind of referred to as the bad Lands.
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  Speaker 1: And this spot is so important because Theodore Roosevelt went
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  Speaker 1: out there and had some really important experiences in his life. UM.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people refer to this area as the
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  Speaker 1: cradle of conservation because these few years that Teddy spent
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  Speaker 1: so much time out there, A lot of people believe
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  Speaker 1: in in Roosevelt even wrote himself that his time they
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  Speaker 1: formed his core beliefs and desires and passions around conservation
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  Speaker 1: and trying to protect wildlife and wild places. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: he said much of much of that was responsible for
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  Speaker 1: or much of his time that was responsible for the
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  Speaker 1: things that he did later as the president. So back
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  Speaker 1: when he was in his mid twenties, uh, Teddy Roosevelt,
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  Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt was a New York state assemblyman. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's basically I think state congressman type thing. So in
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  Speaker 1: his mid twenties though he was doing he's kind of
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  Speaker 1: working his way up in politics. But he had always
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  Speaker 1: been interested in the outdoors. He's a big naturalist, growing
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  Speaker 1: up as a kid, really into bugs and birds and
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  Speaker 1: things like that. And he started exploring some wild places
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  Speaker 1: around him. Um. So he was going up to upstate
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  Speaker 1: New York and he went up into the north Woods
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  Speaker 1: of Maine. UM. So he always loved the outdoors. But
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  Speaker 1: he grew up in this kind of aristocratic family um
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  Speaker 1: of of a lot of importance there, so he didn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily have the really wild life and wild experience type
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  Speaker 1: of background. Um that many people maybe imagine that theater
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  Speaker 1: Roosevelt had. He didn't have that until the mid eighteen
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  Speaker 1: eighties when he bumped into this naval officer, formal naval
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  Speaker 1: naval officer, who was promoting western North Dakota um as
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  Speaker 1: like a sportsman's paradise. And Roosevelt had always been intrigued
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  Speaker 1: in the West. He had wanted to go out west,
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  Speaker 1: and so this guy is promoting it and talking about
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  Speaker 1: how great it is. So finally Roosevelt's like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going out there. I want to hunt.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see what the wild West is really
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  Speaker 1: all about. And in particularly he actually he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: try to hunt and kill buffalo um while they are
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  Speaker 1: still around, because this was getting to that point. That
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  Speaker 1: time frame was when the market hunting and everything kind
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  Speaker 1: of crescendo, and we're really at the tail end of
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  Speaker 1: um of that buffalo population. So Roosevelt heads out there.
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  Speaker 1: He takes a train out west. He gets off here
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  Speaker 1: in the bad lands of North Dakota, and he has
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  Speaker 1: this just incredible hunting experience, gets a taste of it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely love this landscape. We'll talk about this landscape a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more, but he he described it as like
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  Speaker 1: this area the bad Lands. He described it as savage,
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  Speaker 1: an area of savage desolation. He talked about like dreary
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  Speaker 1: plateaus and these fantastically shaped buttes and deep winding canyons.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of an intoxicating place. And then of
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  Speaker 1: course amazing wildlife. He did end up killing a buffalo,
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  Speaker 1: saw all sorts of other wildlife. So before he even
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  Speaker 1: went home, he threw down a bunch of money and
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  Speaker 1: bought a ranching. He bought a ranch, gave a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of money to a couple of guys to make them
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  Speaker 1: his ranch hands, and said, hey, buy a bunch of cattle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to become a rancher out here, kind of
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  Speaker 1: a part time rancher. And so that was an eight
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  Speaker 1: three And over the next four ish years, UM, he
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  Speaker 1: came back to the bad Lands to western North Dakota
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  Speaker 1: time and time again. He came for for large portions
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  Speaker 1: of the summers over the next three years. UM. I
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  Speaker 1: think I read somewhere that in total he spent about
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  Speaker 1: fourteen months there over that period, from eight three to
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  Speaker 1: about eight seven, UM. And he just he had incredible experiences.
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  Speaker 1: He hunted whitetailed deer and mule deer and big horn
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  Speaker 1: sheep and elk. He went from there and headed further
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  Speaker 1: west into the Big Horn Mountains in Montana and hunted
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  Speaker 1: grizzlies and all sorts of other things like that. So
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  Speaker 1: we just had these amazing Western hunting and ranching kind
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  Speaker 1: of frontier experiences right at the tail into that whole era. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I was reading at one place that before European contact UM,
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  Speaker 1: specifically speaking of white tailed deer, before your peer in contact,
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  Speaker 1: there were approximately twenty four million white tailed deer in
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  Speaker 1: North America, and by this time frame that Roosevelt was
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  Speaker 1: out there, it was down to maybe five hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 1: So what he was seeing was amazing wildlife populations when
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  Speaker 1: he got there, and then over the course of that
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  Speaker 1: time period he saw declining and getting worse, and he
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  Speaker 1: was seeing kind of the rape and plunder of this
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  Speaker 1: landscape and others out west. So he kind of he
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  Speaker 1: saw what was great, what he thought was great, and
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  Speaker 1: they saw it getting worse and worse and worse. UM.
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  Speaker 1: And so that kind of set him on this path
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  Speaker 1: then to realize that he needed to do something about that. UM.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like a big part of the reason
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  Speaker 1: why I wanted to talk about this in the podcast
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  Speaker 1: is because we always talk about how Theodore Roosevelt is this, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. He's kind of that guy. When we
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  Speaker 1: talked about conservations or hunter conservations, we always point to
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  Speaker 1: what Theodore Roosevelt said or what he did. Um, But
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't even really realize what that
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  Speaker 1: was other than he protected a bunch of land. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's the basics of what most people know. But he
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  Speaker 1: had all these experiences as a hunter, and this led
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  Speaker 1: him to doing a whole bunch of different things in
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  Speaker 1: the subsequent years. So this same place that me and
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  Speaker 1: Josh went to, this is the place that kind of
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  Speaker 1: built that foundation for him. Now, after the winter of
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  Speaker 1: eighteen seven, I believe it was. It was kind of
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  Speaker 1: a really bad year. There's a horrible winter, things are
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  Speaker 1: really struggling out there, and he realized that someone's got
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  Speaker 1: to do something to try to protect the wildlife across
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  Speaker 1: America before the market hunters destroyed, before all these other
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  Speaker 1: things in development take away what we have. And so
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  Speaker 1: he came back from North Dakota on one of his
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  Speaker 1: last big trips out there, and he put together this
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  Speaker 1: big meeting in New York with a bunch of influential people,
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  Speaker 1: and right then and there they co founded the Boone
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  Speaker 1: and Crockett Club. And we all know about the Boon
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  Speaker 1: and Crack Club now because of the record books and everything,
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  Speaker 1: But at that point when Roosevelt co founded it with
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  Speaker 1: George Bird grinnell Um who was the editor of Forest
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  Speaker 1: and Stream which is now Field and Stream UM, they
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  Speaker 1: were developing this organization as like the first real environmental
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  Speaker 1: and wild game conservation organization that was ever created UM.
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  Speaker 1: And they did a whole lot of really important things.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't just keeping track of records, but they were
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  Speaker 1: actually making real legislation changes and lobbying and making real
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  Speaker 1: impacts on that kind of stuff. So, for example, Roosevelt
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the organization were huge in getting
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  Speaker 1: wildlife protections in Yellowstone. So even though that Yellowstone was
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  Speaker 1: created a national park almost twenty years ahead of that,
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  Speaker 1: there weren't any real enforcements in place, so people were
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  Speaker 1: still killing animals in there and kind of taking advantage
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  Speaker 1: of it, and there was no enforcement there. So a
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  Speaker 1: big thing that Booting Cracker Club and that Roosevelt helped
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  Speaker 1: make happen was actually get those game laws established and enforced.
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  Speaker 1: He was a huge player in helping protect the last
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  Speaker 1: remaining buffalo. UM. Even before he was president, he was
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  Speaker 1: huge and actually lobbying for the legislation that helped establish
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  Speaker 1: Force Reserves, which eventually became our National force. UM. Even
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  Speaker 1: before he was president, he helped lobby, lobby for and
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  Speaker 1: get the Lacy Act passed, which is the first federal
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  Speaker 1: game law which protected game. It banned the sale and transport, importation,
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  Speaker 1: exportation of wild game, and different things on those lines,
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  Speaker 1: and helps stop poachers and enforce get game warrants out
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  Speaker 1: there to and force these different laws. So all that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff he did before he ever was president.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people realized that he was.
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  Speaker 1: The more and more I've studied Roosevelt, the more of
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  Speaker 1: understood that he was. His fingerprints aren't so much from
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  Speaker 1: when he was a young guy in his twenties all
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  Speaker 1: the way through through his presidential administration and after that. UM,
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  Speaker 1: and we hear about the stuff he does the president
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  Speaker 1: a little more. You know. He helped set aside more
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  Speaker 1: than two million acres of national forces and refugees, created
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  Speaker 1: five national parks. He signed the Antiquities Act, which created
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  Speaker 1: the ability for presidents to say aside national monuments, and
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  Speaker 1: he used that to protect the Grand Canyon, for example.
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  Speaker 1: UM It's a whole slew of different things, which which
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  Speaker 1: I think is why I think we still talk about
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  Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt today. UM And I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: us can point to him, not just US hunters, anglers,
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  Speaker 1: but really anyone who cares about wild places or wildlife.
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  Speaker 1: We can point to him as being really one of
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  Speaker 1: the very most influential and very first people that really
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  Speaker 1: helped developed this ethic within North America that we do
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  Speaker 1: care about these places, and that we do want to
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  Speaker 1: set aside places and conserve wild resources and wildlife and
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  Speaker 1: make sure these things in these places are available not
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  Speaker 1: just for us now but also in the future. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So that is a very long and winding way of saying,
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  Speaker 1: it was important for me to go to this place
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  Speaker 1: where it all began for him. Um So, right now
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  Speaker 1: in western North Dakota, there's this national park now dedicated
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  Speaker 1: there to Roosevelt's called Theater Roosevelt National Park. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: that is where Teddy's ranches were. One of his ranches,
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  Speaker 1: one of his houses is there in one of the units.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's a separate unit with another one of
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  Speaker 1: the spots where he had a ranch house. The house
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  Speaker 1: isn't there anymore, um, but that's where a trip began.
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  Speaker 1: We went to the National Park, um to go see
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  Speaker 1: one of his ranch houses, to learn a little bit more,
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  Speaker 1: to see this area, and um, I wanted to just
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  Speaker 1: you know, experience a little bit of what he experienced
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  Speaker 1: that had inspired him so much. Um. What did you
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  Speaker 1: think about that area, Josh when you saw it? Um?
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  Speaker 1: What I mean? And we're there, you know it's it's cold,
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  Speaker 1: so snowy. This isn't even like it is in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of spring and summer when it's flourishing with color
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. Even now, though, what did you think about
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  Speaker 1: this place? Could you could you understand why Roosevelt maybe
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  Speaker 1: it was a little bit inspired? Oh yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: for sure it was. It was beautiful. Um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've been out I've been out west and seeing the
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  Speaker 1: rockies and stuff like that, but I haven't seen any
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  Speaker 1: of this, um kind of bad lands type landscape. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It's just really cool, very different from what I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was gonna be. Like, um, looking at pictures and stuff. UM,
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  Speaker 1: one of those things you don't really appreciate until you're
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  Speaker 1: out there and seeing it in person. And um, my
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  Speaker 1: wife and I are actually gonna be out there again
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  Speaker 1: this summer, UM, so I'm looking forward to seeing it
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  Speaker 1: during the summer months too. And it's all greened up
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  Speaker 1: and everything like that. But um, yeah, it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful place. It's almost like you're you're going, you're coming
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  Speaker 1: along with the high plains in the north, the Koda
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  Speaker 1: if you're coming from the east, so it's the rolling
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  Speaker 1: grassy hills and then all of a sudden, it's almost
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  Speaker 1: as if I've never been in the Grand Canyon actually,
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  Speaker 1: but it's something almost like that. I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: you're you see this flat area, hills, grass, and then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's massive canyon. So all this
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  Speaker 1: erosion created this this winding kind of labyrinth of what
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  Speaker 1: people call bad lands. UM. But it's these canyons and
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  Speaker 1: buttes and cliffs and just the crazy stuff that water did,
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  Speaker 1: um eroding this area into this kind of fantastical it's
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  Speaker 1: really hard to describe, um. But some people, some cowboys
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  Speaker 1: back in the day, they described as hell with the
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  Speaker 1: fire put out. UM. And I can see that if
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  Speaker 1: you were a cowboy back in the day trying to
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  Speaker 1: get across this area riding a horse or a wagon
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  Speaker 1: like you. And we were talking about this, Josh, like,
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  Speaker 1: how in the world could you cross this area because
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  Speaker 1: it's so rugged, it's it's it's insane. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how people could get across it back at that point. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but it does make for a heck of a scene.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the scenery is amazing, these big, huge canyons
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  Speaker 1: and steep, nasty cliffs and thick draws, and there's kind
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  Speaker 1: of brush and pines and cedars intermixed. But then these
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  Speaker 1: really weird striadd cliff colors where it goes from like
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a copper color to a to a brown, to a
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: yellow to gray, and all these different layers of I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: think it's sands, maybe sandstone or something like that that's
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: causing these different um sediment layers to be shown. Uh.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: And then there's the little Missouri River running through the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: middle of it. So you've got this river bottom area
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: then with cotton woods and beautiful trees and the greens
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: up real nice down there in the summer. Um in
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the National Park itself, you can't you can't hunt the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: National Park, of course, You can't shed hunt on the
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: National Park itself, but if you're ever in the area,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: it's totally worth going to the National Park just to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: see it. It's a beautiful area that they still have
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: buffalo there. Um what we saw buffalo? We saw, Yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the prairie towns. Um. We did see a bighorn sheet,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: but that was actually not on the National Park. That
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: was on some other public land north of there. You know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: did we see Muli's in the park outside? That was?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I think I was outside of the park. Yea, we
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: may have. I can't remember. I think that was outside
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: where we were, though. Where outside of the park that
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: we definitely saw a ton? Are there? Elk in there too?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: There are, but not in the section we're in, I guess. Um.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I was told that if you went farther east there's
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: a section where there's a pretty good heard of him. Um,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: but I hadn't. I hadn't seen seen him in the past.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: But super cool, really really cool place and it was funny,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you know. We So we showed up at the park
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and like I said, I wanted to do some hiking
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: around there. I wanted to visit the visitors center. I
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to see the Maltese Cross cabin, which was one
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of his cabins there the first place he bought UM,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: so we wann't check that out, and that was really cool.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: But we went to stay at the campground there in
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the National Park, and like I said, you can't keep
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: shed antlers in the park. If you find an antler
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: in the National Park, you can't keep it. So we
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: obviously weren't going to go shed hunting there. So we
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: find a campsite and we're walking from the campsite to
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the little registration station, and I brought my dog on
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this trip because I wanted to take Boone shed hunting
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and these other places we're going and try to actually
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: have him in a place where he could actually find
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: sheds and get experienced. That was another big part of
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: this is that this is kind of a training opportunity
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: for Boone. UM. So we're walking to the registration station
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and I can't remember if I saw it first or
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: if I saw Boone first, but Boon goes running off
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: into the woods next to this registration station. At the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: same time I look over there by him and there's
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a nice four point shed right there. Boons goes sticks
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: his nose and I'm like, goshd right there right when
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: we got there. Um unfortunately picked it up, well he
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: picked it up, ran around with it, and then we
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: had to put it back in there. Um that was
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: painful a little bit, but it was cool to see
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: one right at the gate and uh get boone on
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a fresh shed. That was cool. Um, And it was funny,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you know, Josh, I think I don't know if you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: said or I said it, but man, this could either
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: be a sign of a really good trip ahead of us,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: or that could be like the only shed we find
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on the trip and we're gonna be doomed there. Absolutely
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: luckily it it was a foreshadowing of good stuff to come. Um.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So so yeah, from here, we explored the National Park
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit and then we headed out and there's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: all sorts of public land outside of the National Park
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to the north and to the south, there's a whole
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: bunch of different stuff. Um, there's some blma and there's
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: some grasslands. Um, there's some state land. There's a whole
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: bunch of different stuff that you can get on and explore.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And so our plan was to do that, to explore
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a bunch of these different spots. Do some scouting to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: do some future hunting, um and then you know, hopefully
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: pick up some sheds too. UM. So I don't know further,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: was there anything of no on day one when we
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: finally got out and looking that we should talk about
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: or should we just skip to day two. I mean,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: day one is pretty slow other than the first shed
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: we found in the campground, um, because we weren't even
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: gonna shut hunt the first day. We're just gonna kind
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of drive around and check out the area, and then
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we saw that shed in apart, we both
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: got pretty fired up, like all right, we're gonna go
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go find some sheds. Yeah, yeah, we that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: didn't go very well that first day. Yeah. Well, we
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: couldn't get to a lot of spots because like all
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: these roads, we're really muddy and kind of it's I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's clay or what the road was, um,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: but there's been a lot of snow melt happening, so
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: everything was wet and we were in this rental car,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't think either one of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: us really wanted to risk getting stuck down in here,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: way in the middle of nowhere. So I feel Mark,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like we need to back up for a second.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Now that you mentioned the rental car and talk about
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: our issues right before we left. I feel that's pertinent
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to the story. It's true, okay, Dan, So what's the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: rental car? I mean, you're going out, you know you're
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be on some dirt roads, uh, you know or
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: grabble or whatever. First off, I wanna I want to
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: kind of visualize what the what I'm looking at here?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: So what is the rental car? First of all? Well,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: so we originally I wanted to get a cargo van
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: because I imagined having a big cargo van, we could
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: pile all of our stuff in there and then we
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: could sleep in the van. Two, we could van life it,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: so we didn't need to set up tents or anything.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: We could just sleep in the truck and then drive
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: from place to place and would be really easy and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: convenient have all our stuff in there. So I rented
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a cargo van from rental car place. So on the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: day we were leaving, Josh was supposed to go to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the airport, pick up the van, and then drive down
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and pick me up. Well like an hour and a
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: half before Josh was going to pick up the van.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I get a phone call because I'm in the reservation
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and this is the rental car place, and I was
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: just gonna say it was hurts. They give me a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: call and the guy tells me, Mr Kenyon, we we're
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna have a vehicle for you today, and I'm like,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: excuse me, is no, We're not gonna be able to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: provide a vehicle for your reservation today, Like what do
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you mean You're not going to provide a vehicle the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: whole A reservation means that you were reserving a vehicle
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: so that it will be there on the day I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: need to pick it up and then I get to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: use it. Like we we we made a business agreement.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: My side of the agreement is that I'm gonna pay
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you money. Your side of agreement is that you're gonna
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: give me the car I reserved. And this guy and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this company made me so mad because he's basically, I'm sorry,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. We don't have a vehicle.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: There's no other vehicles, there's no other vans for you. Um,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and then he's not He's he wasn't offering a solution,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Like if I'm in his shoes and all of a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: sudden I realized, oh my gosh, these people planned to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: have this vehicle to go on their week long trip
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and now for some reason, I can't get them that vehicle.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Me as a employee, I would want to say, Okay,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: how do I fix this? Solution? How do I find
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a solution? How do I fix this? What else can
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I do to try to amend the situation. This guy
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything, he didn't want to do anything. He's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: just like, we don't have a vehicle for you. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: then so I'm waiting for the D or the but
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but nothing. So I had to be a jerk and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, man, that's not acceptable. What are you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: gonna do? Like, how do we fix this? And so
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: for the next three hours I had to deal with
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: this yuppie, calling him back and forth, trying to get
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: him to do something, and every time it's like, oh,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I can't get a hold my manager. Um, my manager
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: supposed to call you. I call this other place. There's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: nothing there. Um. I've never been so frustrated the company
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in my life. So in the in the end, I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: trying to do this, and while I'm trying to I'm
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: calling other dealerships and places are closing because this is Saturday,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so all these places are closing. Like noon, I had
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I was baby not babysitting. I was on baby duty.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Kylie was out for the day with her sister, so
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I had Everett. I'm trying to handle all these phone
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: calls trying to find a vehicle, and he starts throwing
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a fit. So he's screaming and crying and going bloody
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: murder and I'm on the phone and I can't hear
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: these people, and these people are pissing me off. So
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it was like a two hour debacle. Um. I was
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: just really mad. And uh finally I asked Josh that, Josh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore, Like I get I have
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to deal with this kid. Can you can I pass
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the baton to you? Can you try to figure something out?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And um, for you ended up finding a STUV we
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: could rent and like the only the single last rental
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: place within like hours of us that still open. We
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: finally got something we could use, which was uh gmc acadia,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: right yep, So that that was what we got and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it was it was actually not bad. It wasn't nearly
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: as big as the van would have been, so we
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: weren't able to sleep in it. We had tent camp
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: um and like it was tight, it was really tightly packed.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: We were packed to the gills going there, and then
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: every town we stopped somewhere camp we had to just
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: unload everything and rearrange everything, and a little bit inconvenient.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: But on the bright side, I think that if we
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: took the cargo van it would have handled the roads
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: even worse than the than the STV did. Um, So
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I guess that was our silver lining. But yeah, even
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: with all wheel drive, these roads were really really bad. Um.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Some of them we could get down, some of them
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: we couldn't. Um. But that first day a lot of
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the spots on the map that looked good that I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: wanted to get to had these just horrible roads that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: we had to turn around eventually on. So we did
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: some walking in some places, but never found anything except Josh,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you found a prong horn sheath, the sheath of a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: prong horn corn. Yeah about that. Actually that was an
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: actually boom kind of found it. He was sniffer around
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it and it was kind of shoved it out into
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the road where I saw it. Yeah, that was that
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was pretty cool. So the next day, um, next day,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: we decided to go explore this other area that I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: had pinpointed as a as a high probability location. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: thought it could be a good spot to hunt. I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: thought it could be a good spot, maybe find some antlers.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Um So, long story short, on that one drove down
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to the spot parked. It was super wet like again
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to the point of everything being just post snow melt.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Everything was flooded. Um So, the first section of this
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: ground we were trying to walk was really wet, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: both of us neither one of us wore our rubber boots.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: We're both wearing like hiking boots. Um So, the bunch
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of stuff we couldn't get to. But I don't know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: after a few hours, and I think we're getting a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: little down a little bit because the whole first day
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: either we couldn't walk stuff, and then the stuff we
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: could walk we didn't find anything. And now this section
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it's flooded. We finally get some good looking stuff. We
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: saw a bunch of sign I'm thinking all any time
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: now we're in the fine antlers and it was just nothing,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and um, I found I'm looking at the maps and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I found one more section of like good cover along
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the river that I thought maybe that would be a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: spot that we could go find some sheds, but it
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was like over a mile away. So between us in
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: this section timber was just a big expanse of stage brush,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, Josh, if you're up for I say,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: we just bomb across the stage brush real quick, get
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to that section of timber, and then just focus our
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: shed hunting there. Um. And so you were up for that,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and we started walking fast, just trying to cover ground
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: to get to the timber. And then what happened, Josh, Yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we came up to this little high spot and we
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: were still we were still looking even though we were
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: walking fast through yards apart. I came up over on
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this little high spot and boom, there's a nice five
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: point side just sticking up. You know, it's like perfect
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: right there. Um. And then right next to it was
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the other side. So we just kind of walked up
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: on a really nice match set, not thinking we're gonna
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: see anything in there. Do do myself and the listeners
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a favor and describing a little bit more detail the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: terrain setting that you guys are doing this shed hunting
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: in Yeah, good call. All right. So I'll give you
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: my my perspective and Josh, you you add on to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: it if or tell me if you think it's different.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: But basically, what you've got here is we're down in
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the river bottom. So you've got this river that's winding
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: through the middle, and this river is really high again
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: because of the snow melt, that's really muddy, it's moving
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: really fast. And then along the shore you've got these
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: kind of fingers of cottonwood trees, kind of sparse cotton
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: wood trees um. And then extending out from that then
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: are these kind of long, flat expanses of sagebrush and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: grass UM. And then occasionally there'll be some sections like
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the section we're heading. There'll be some sections like where
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: we're headed, um, where there is some thicker timber, so
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: cotton wood trees mixed in with some cedars and stuff
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: like that. UM. But then on either side, basically you've
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: got canyon walls or buttes like these these bad land
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: type hill slash cliff slash. I don't know how else
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to describe them. Um. If you google bad lands, you'll
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: see what I'm talking about. What kind of stuff looks
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like but basically we're down in like the bottom of
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a canyon, almost this river bottom with these like hills
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: or mountains on either side that kind of form these
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: tight walls. Um. So that's kind of how I would
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: describe it. Josh, would you add anything? I mean, that's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: pretty much dead on and then you know there's some
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: cattle pasture and stuff like that to um, a lot
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: of cattle grazing in the area. Um, but yeah, sage
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: brush and then the cotton woods, some cedars mixed in
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: here and there. Yeah. I mean you pretty much hit
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the nail on the head. Yeah, I mean this is
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: this is very different than like Iowa or Michigan obviously,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: but it's kind of like your generic Western landscape though.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you pick any spot in Montana or
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: North Dakota or South Dakota or parts of Wyoming where
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you've got a river bottom, it's kind of gonna look
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: something like this. You've got you know, rolling hills and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: grasslands up on the top away from the river. Then
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: it drops down into a river bottom. You're gonna get
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: some trees and some stuff like that. Um. So that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: what we're working with. And um, yeah, man, Josh is match.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: That was awesome big. I mean that was like a
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: hundred thirty at least a hundred thirty something and I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: had on the right side and it had looks like
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: split brows that were broken off, and I mean it
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: it would be a sweet buck. That was cool. Did
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you guys, did you guys bump any deer or see
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: any white tails while you're doing these this shed hunts,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the shed hunts, Yeah, and not not yet like in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the story yet we hadn't um, but we definitely eventually
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: did see deer um. And that's one of the things.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: A lot of these spots out west, and part of
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: why I've enjoyed doing these Western white tail reled trips
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: so much is that they're really there's really high populations
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of deer um, and they're all in these small areas
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: because the white tails are very dependent and preferential to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the river bottom cover because they want thick, dense cover,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you know, just like they want here in the Midwest
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: or in the East or wherever. Um. But that kind
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of cover, it isn't an elbow across most of the landscape.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Most of the landscapes wide open grasslands or sage brush
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. So what you get is you get
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: all the deer packed into the smaller sections, so you
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: can see a lot of deer, you can find a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: lot of sheds, you can you know, it's just cool
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: from that perspective. So that was kind of what we're
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: dealing with here, was most of these white tails were
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: living maybe in a I don't know, if you went
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: from one canyon wall to the other canyon wall, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: from across the river, it maybe is a half mile wide, Josh,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe is that something about right? Maybe
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: maybe more maybe three quarters of a mile wide. Um,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: it's hard to judge that distance, I guess, but it's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: not super wide. Now it's long, um, but you're the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: areas you need to look and focus your time on.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: It narrows that a lot, which which makes it fun
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: for this kind of thing. So yeah, we found this.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: This next section was basically this I don't know how
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to describe it. This this kind of finger of land
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: that extended out from the edge of the cliffs towards
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the river. Um, but the river pinched tight to the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: cliffs on either side of it. So imagine like put
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: your hand up, put your right hand straight up like
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a wall and then UM, maybe point your thumb out
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: flat from there. That's your finger of land, and then
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the river butts up to your hand on either side
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of the thumb. But that thumb has got timber on it,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: so it's almost like this land locked piece of land
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that had a bunch of woods in it. The only
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: way you could get to it was either floated or
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: there's a little tiny kind of side hill trail you
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: could walk along the edge of the cliffs sort of
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to get into that. UM. So I don't think a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: lot of people were heading in there if I don't
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: know if any of the stuff gets touched very much
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: because it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But um, this section looked particularly protected, UM, and so
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: we hiked all the way to that, and that ended
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: up being really good, like awesome looking signed tons and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: tons and tons of deer signed um and real quick here,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I think this will be a good place for us
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: take a break for our Sickest story of the day.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: For this week's sit story, we're joined by Montana wild
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Zach Boughton, who tells us about a memorable high country
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: mule deer hunt where he tagged out in the last
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: week of the season. One of my favorite hunting moments
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: was a couple of falls ago, last week a season.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: We were trying to find big, mature mule deer buck
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and we went back to a spot, but I just
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: kind of had a gut feeling was going to produce.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Had never seen a big buck in the area, and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: got there early temperatures were dipping down just below zero,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and we just slowly started climbing the mountain, trying to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: hike slow so you don't get too sweaty. Definitely glad
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: we had the right layers for that day and got
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: up on the mountain and and made a decision to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: keep going. I had thought about going back down the mountain.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I hadn't seen a lot of game. And next thing
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know, we come through the timber look up on
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the hillside and here is just a big four point
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: meal deer buck, exactly what I was looking for. Got down,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the buck, had no clue I was there, put it
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: behind his shoulder and squeeze the trigger and that was
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the end of it. And walking up on that buck
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: was probably four or five years worth of time spent
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in the mountains to try to find that buck, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it was super reward and that's probably one of my
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: favorite moments from the last couple of years. Super demanding
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: hunt and spent a lot of time on the mountain
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: looking for a buck of a certain size and maturity
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that we honestly had never laid eyes on before I
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: filled my tag on Zack's hunt. He was wearing because
• 35:44
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• 35:48
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• 35:53
  Speaker 1: gear dot com. And right away, I think, really quickly
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: we found a shed. Um, I guess that was mine?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Josh right, I found that first shot. Uh yeah, if
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you want to call it yours? Oh oh yeah, dog
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: find a lot? Did they know? No, he's saying that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I poached his shed. I think, o, Dan, you wouldn't
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: believe it. It was a bad one man. It's literally
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: directly in front of me. I've got video evidence. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: mean it was it was. We need to start further
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: me and you, we need to start a club where
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: because we get walked in front of a lot. It
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: sounds yeah, no, no one, no one should be ashamed.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You know, Mark is just like you know what I need.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I need it for my content. Yeah yeah, No, Josh,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Josh is the only one who should be ashamed because
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: he he should have spotted it far before I did.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So that's on you, Josh. Now let's let's take a
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: step back, because if you know no one's ont of you,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: why do you have to look out way far? Yeah,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you know he's over on his side. I'm on mindset.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just scanning, doing a thorough check, and he's out
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: there just yeah, yeah, yeah. We're walking like forty yards
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: apart scanning. You know, you can't help but see some
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: of the stuff. And it was kind of in between us.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But say whatever you will, Josh. Um, but but the long,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the long story of it. Um, we picked up that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: shed and what was cool, and the same with the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: sheds that Josh found first, and then we found two
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: other small ones that day. Um, all of these antlers,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you know, we got to let boone pick up. So
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you know, in all of my shed hunting here in Michigan,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: over the course of the last four years or whatever,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I found like two sheds in four years that Booner
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: had a chance to smell and pick up before I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: touched it in one day. We found five or six
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that he got to. So just really good experience for
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to get to see it in the real setting, to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: pick it up, to smell it, to you know, really
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: get his idea, get an idea of what these sheds
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: are without marks, without his dad's sent on it, you know. Um.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So that was really cool. And he had to kick
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: out of it. You know, he didn't find any antlers,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: just like he didn't he never ran up to me
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: with an antler I didn't see and like surprise me
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: with the one. Um. You know, we would use one
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of us with Spotta and then we would walk over
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: there and wait for him to grab it. Um. But
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, I think at the end,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I think one of them he didn't really want to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: pick up. But for the most part, he got excited
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: about him, grabbed him, ran around with him, and brought
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: him back to us. UM. So that was fun to see,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't Josh. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Ye. So,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: so I'm looking at a map right now and I
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know, there's there's these creek systems and these river
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: bottoms and then they kind of these what you call um,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I guess a a bushy draw, a real thick draw
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: that comes out and all that drink. It's basically a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: big rainage area, right that leads down into these into
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: these rivers. Were you finding the sheds more on the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: flat river bottom ground or up into these drainage areas.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So most of the stuff that we're focusing on, um, now,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: most of the stuff that we were seeing, as far
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: as that, it was all on the flat river bottom stuff. Um.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: It seemed like as soon as you started gaining elevation.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I doubt this is a rule.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's places where the white tails do head
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: up a little bit into the draws and stuff. But
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: as far as what we were seeing, it was really
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: in the flat river bottom stuff that was just packed
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: with deer sign As soon as you start going up,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that's when you start seeing what you know, that's where
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: we would see mule deer. That's where I found. I
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: found a mule deer shed that was up in one
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of those little pieces. Um. Everything else as far as
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the white tails was down in that brush on the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: on the flat stuff. UM. But I'm sure there are
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: some places where you could go farther up into those
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: little draws a little bit higher up and getting the stuff.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: But I just don't think in most cases the white
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: tails like the really rugged stuff, they prefer the easier
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: walking versus like these mule deer's mule deer that will
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: head right up these near vertical walls and go over
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: all this nasty stuff. Um, I think that's at least
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: what they prefer most of the time. But yeah, man,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: it was a good day in there. That was our
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: first day. We're really really excited about what we were seeing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Not only did we find those sheds, but some spots
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that I think would be worth hunting for sure. Um.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And we did find do we find two dead bucks
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in their josh? I think one on the one where
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that day. Yeah, so found like a nice like a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: nice two year old seven pointer that was dead in there. Um,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: plus all the sheds we found, plus just lots of
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: good sign tough to get to. So that's the spot
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I think I'd like to try to get back to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and hunt someday. Um. And then yeah, headed back home
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that night. We had some then in some brats I think,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: or maybe that's another night, But we get good at
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the campsite. Um. And then the next day, were you
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: guys tent camping? Yeah, okay, yep, tent camp What do
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you think about this is the first time you've ever
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: done like winter tent camping, Josh, what do you think? Yeah,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't that bad. Um, it could have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: been a lot worse. I think we actually got really
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: lucky with their weather that week. Um. You know, it
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: was never terribly cold. Um. And we both got good
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: enough gear that kept a swarm all night. But it was, Um,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it is what do you call it? Type
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: too fun? Is that what you call it? Type two? Yeah?
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: If it's not fun, it's type type too fun. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: don't even know if I go that far. Josh, it
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't that bad. It was. It was pretty uncomfortable. I
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: mean it was cool at night, but like you said,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: as long as you had a good jacket and hat
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I mean I think at night
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: it probably got down to the twenties um, and then
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the day it was thirties and forties. Um. But my
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: wife was not interested in doing that kind of camping. Um.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the camp site we're in we camped back
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: at the National Park. Um. For the first few days
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and that was just a beautiful, beautiful spot. Um. So yeah,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: great camping. And then when we were up on the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: other stuff, good deer scouting everything. And then our final
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: day in North Dakota went to a different section. We
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: had to do a ton of hiking just to get
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to the spot because again we were having issues of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the roads, so we didn't want to risk going down
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: on the muddy roads. But we still wanted to get
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to the spot, so we had to do a two
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: mile walk down the road just to get to the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: spot we wanted to start scouting. Um. And then once
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: we got in there, I think we walked another eight
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: miles in there. Did we Did we do it twelve
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: miles that day? Josh, Yeah, I think that's the twelve
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: mile day. Yep. Yeah. Um, so we put some good
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: miles in the boots there. But that was a good
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: day too. We walked, It took us a while to
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: get going, didn't find anything for a bit, but then
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I think that first shed you found was that huge
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: G two shed, right, Yeah, you have that that big
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: G two shed under the um under that cedar tree. Yeah,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And um, I think basically all the sheds we found
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: on that day. We're if I'm I think all of
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: them were around cedars. They were in cedar betting, isn't
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: that right? Ah? Yeah, I think so. Um yeah, because
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: then I found that old, that old, chewed up one,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: which would have been a slammer, um, that was in
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: some cedar betting. Um, just a little bit further down
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: from this first one that I found. And then yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I think all of them are kind of in that
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: same type of cover that day. And then found another
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: couple of dead bucks or one dead buck on that section. Um,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I found that tiny mule deer shed up on the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: side hill. Um. And then the well, one of the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: things I was thinking about in general this whole time
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: we were in North Dakota, and I happened to record
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: a clip talking about this. I think it gave me
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: some good luck because I was just talking about being
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: out here in western North Dakota, in this same general
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: region where Theodore Roosevelt spent so much time. Um. In
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: one of his book about him, I was reading, they
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: were talking about one of his ranch houses, and they're
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: saying that when he walked into his ranch house, there
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: were so many white tail and mule deer shed antlers
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: that you could mistake it for an antler museum. Um.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: So I was like, man, that's awesome. Like Theodore Roosevelt
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: was picking up sheds just like me. And I wondered, like,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: maybe where I'm walking right now, maybe Theodore Roosevelt walked
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to pick up shed antlers too. Um that was like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a cool thing to think about. So I record a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: little video clip talking about that. And then I was like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and you know, maybe maybe I'm gonna get maybe I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: can get a little bit of Theodore Roosevelt shed hunting luck.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I could use that Right about now, and not like
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: a half hour later, we're just about done with the day.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: We're heading past this section of thick theaters that are
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: right in the edge of the butts, and I'm walking
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: on the edge and I'm peering in underneath the branches
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to my right, and I spot a main beam. So
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, awesome, gotta shed. I called Josh over. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: go sneaking into this thick stuff to go pick up
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the shed, and I come into I get underneath the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: tree limbs and it kind of opens up a little
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: bit and then I see it's not just one shed
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a there it's too shed antlers in the big really
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: big five point sides. So I freak out, me and
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Josh like high five in and stuff. Um, the best
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: match that I've ever found. Um. And you couldn't ask
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: like a prettier little picture right in there, could you, Josh?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I mean? Sweet? Yeah, it's perfect right where we were
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: in there, it's like where you think a deer with
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: bed like that was like a nice big buck with bed.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: That's where it would be. Yeah, perfect little spot right
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: up the next to the trunk of the cedar tree.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: The antlers are lying kind of almost on top of
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: each other. They're like chocolate browns, beautiful colors, and so
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I grabbed the antlers. I pull them up out of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the pine needles, and I'm looking at them, and then
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden I realized there's like a four
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: inch or five inch drop time off one of them,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and I just really freaked out. Then it was so cool.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: It was the coolest antler I've ever picked up. Um,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And that was that was a highlight of the trip
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: for sure, don't you think, Josh, Oh, yeah, for sure
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: that your face was priceless when you saw it. It's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: pretty funny. Yeah, I'm holding the handler right now, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: it's super cool, really long main beams that kind of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: sweep up. Um. The drop time is almost if you
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: were looking at where the brow time is and then
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: then took a brow time and then just put another
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: brow time directly underneath it. That's kind of what this
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: antler looks like. UM. So that's my first drop time
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: shed I've ever found him, probably the only drop time
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Sheddle ever find. Um. So yeah, man, that was the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: way we kept off our North Dakota day three. UM.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And then that spot looked really great from a hunting
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: perspective to UM. You know, my my big goal from
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the scouting standpoint was just to find these little pockets
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that had a lot of white tails and that looked
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like you know, are they hard to get to do that?
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of white tails is a good sign. And
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I found those two spots. I definitely think hit that criteria. UM.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And on that note, you know, one of the things
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure we talked about in this
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: is that when it comes to trying to do like
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a Western white tail hunt, the big thing I've been
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: focusing on is just finding that finding if you're hunting
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: public land or private land, whatever it is, find that
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: kind of ground along a river corridor where there's some
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: good thick cover, because again that's the limited quand that's
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the limited thing in most of these places. So if
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: you find that good cover along the river, you almost
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: certainly are gonna have some white tails in these places.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Um So for me, it's just finding those places on
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the map and then going there in person and just saying, Okay, yeah,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: it does this look like has a sign that I
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: think it has? Um And so we were able to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: do that. Um So I've got two really nice looking
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: sections that I want to get back to someday. And
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Josh, where are you at. You were
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: talking like maybe you want to try to come back
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and hunt. Maybe not. Have you been thinking about anymore? Yeah,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it. I mean, it's definitely something
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I want to do. Um. You know, North Dakota especially,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it is on my short list of states i'd like
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to get to. UM. I don't know if I'm gonna
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: be able to make it happen this year, but within
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the next five years i'd like to. I'd like to
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: get out there. Um or Montana or South Dakot somewhere
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: out west next a white tail hunt for next five years.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: That's the most unambitious goal I've ever heard that can happened. Buddy,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: do it now, Do it now, trust me, do it now.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: You don't have kids yet. I know I don't kids. Yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: maybe I should do it now. Yeah, maybe I'll tell
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you what your kids then try to do it. Dance
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: danciting on the other side of the internet right now,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: just dying to have that opportunity to get out there now.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I need to make it happen sooner than later. You right,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it was. I mean, it's just a really really pretty air.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: And I've just come to love this Western white tail
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: thing in general because you get into these really unique habitats,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: very few people, lots of deer. The quality of deer
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: is is pretty darned good, especially compared to what I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: have like to hunt here in Michigan. Now compared to Iowa.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: It's not like Iowa as far as you're not going
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: to see as many monstrous deer um, but you can
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: see a lot of like nice dear um. And for me,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that kind of experiences is great. That's all I really
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: want is to have like a cool wild experience and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: see a lot of dear and shoot him at sure buck.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. So that kind of thing is very
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: achievable in states like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Eastern Wyoming. UM. So I'm I'm pretty much on the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: point where I think every year, I'm gonna be doing
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: at least one trip, if not two trips a year
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: doing that kind of hunt because it I'm I'm really
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: getting hooked on it. Um anything, Yeah, you gotta, I gotta.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I got a question about, you know, shed hunting. You're
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you know for me when I go shed hunting, and
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: maybe it's because I already know the properties that I'm
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: shed hunting. But on a trip like this where you
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: guys weren't necessarily just looking for sheds, you were also
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: looking for um hunting spots as well. So how did you,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I guess split up your time. I guess focused on sheds,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: but at the same time looking like, Okay, I'm gonna
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: mark this on a on a map where I'm gonna
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: put you know, this particular uh, this particular location for
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a mental note so I can come back to it
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, as a potential hunting spot in the fall. Yeah.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: So for at least for me, I wasn't trying to
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: go um. I wasn't focusing on scouting to the level
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: of detail where I was trying to pick like specific
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: stand locations or anything like that. It was really the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: scouting goals I had were just to determine and does
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: this chunk look good? Like is it worth coming back
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and hunting here? Um? So really, once I got to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: these places, I was focused on shed hunting in that area.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And then you know, every once and I would stop
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: when we took breaks and stuff, and I'd be looking
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: around and looking at the map and thinking through things,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and you know, you kind of develop an aggregate idea
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: of how much deer sign you're seeing, how many rubs
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: are you seeing, how many big scrapes stuff like that,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: How what are the shed quality, what are the dead
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: deer we're seeing? All those things kind of would just
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: lead up to me knowing like, yes, this looks like
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: a spot I'd like to come back to, or no
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: it's not. Um. But I wasn't you know, scouring the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: area looking for rubs or looking for specific stand sites,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: are looking for access points or anything that um, most
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: of my focus was devoted to looking for antlers. Um,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I would what do you think, Josh, is that kind
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: of where your head? Was that too? Yeah? I was
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the same way. I mean, yeah, you had to be
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: blind though, not to see you know, good deer sign
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in the area. I mean, there's so many I can't
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I can't remember how many times I said to you, dude,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I've never seen so many rubs in my life. Um,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: so he had to be blind not to see the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: deer sign in there and have a pretty good idea
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: of of how they are using it. And um, you know,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Mark and I were talking about if we, you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: if we come back out here, take a take an
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: evening or a morning off and just kind of sit
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: up on one of these ridge tops and kind of
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: glass these areas and see how they're using the area
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and kind of make a plan of attack from there.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was. I was definitely more focused on
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: looking for for sheds and specific trees to hunt. On
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: hunting or or whatever the case. Maybe that's what's so
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: cool too about hunting a place like this. And I'm
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: just a sucker for like being able to see long
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: distances and everything. But in a lot of these areas
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: out west. Just the view shed that you have, the
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: distance that you can see is so much more substantial
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: than what you've got here in like an area of
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Michigan where usually it's super thick UM or if anything,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: if if there's a view it's because you're sitting over
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: cropfield or something. But otherwise you can't see a whole
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: lot and there's lots of trees and stuff um out here.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: You know. The way I've approached my western whitetail hunts
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: so far, and the way I intend to continue, is
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that the first day or two UM, you're just getting
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to a high point or getting to some kind of
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: observation point. Maybe it's an observation stand, maybe it's sitting
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: up on a hill or a ridge. Maybe it's just
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: sitting out on the road and using a spotting scope. UM.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: But just observe UM. And if you're hunting, you know
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: in the early season or even you know in the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: middle of October, when they're still on like a bed
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: defeed pattern of some type, UM, you can very easily
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: determine where these dear bedded and where they're heading to
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: feed UM. And then you just plan you observe, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: then you act on it and you go and intercept. Um.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: It's not like you have to find a whole bunch
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: of specific train features on your map and then scout
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and see if there's yes, there's trails there, and then yeah,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: maybe it's worth hanging to stand in this thicket like
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: maybe we have to do here at home. You can
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: just see it. And if you see it, you see
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: a buck, your interest in hunting. You see a bunch
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: of bucks move through this everything, you say, Okay, yeah,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I know that tree right there that I watched. I'm
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: gonna go hanging standing there tomorrow afternoon and hunt it
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: and then you can adjust from there. Um. And I
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: think this spot would be perfect for that. You get
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: up on one of these buttes, watch over this area,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: you could see almost everything, um, and then sneak in
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: there the next day and and hunt them. It's just cool.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: You get to see so much. I love just what
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: we were talking about, Josh I as much as I love,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: you know, actually having a hunt that comes together and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: connecting on a deer. I'm happy nine the time if
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I can just observe a lot of deer. So these
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: hunts are fun, just because you can see a lot
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: of action. I mean, I just love watching them. Um.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: So these kinds of spots are great for that, which
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: is uh, which is why I'll definitely be out there
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: again soon. And you know, one thing we did talk
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: about mark and scouting for you know, hunting season is
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: UM we talked about maybe doing it like a almost
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: something like we didn't done our elk trips where hike
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: your camp back in there and camp um somewhat close
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to these areas, UM, just because it's such a far
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: walk from any sort of area to park or anything
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: like that, it could be a real issue, um getting
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: deer out or whatever. So we talked about maybe camping
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: back in there or something and helping um shorten our
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: walk a little bit or whatever the case may be
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: in in terms of our access right right, Yeah, find
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: some of those locations that are really tough to get
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: to where you'd have like a couple of mile walk
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: just to get to it. Um, you can, like you said,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: almost put a spike camp back in there because there's
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: so much public land in there and you could just
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: have like it's almost like a I mean some of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: these sections people do backpack in and mule deer hunt
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: up in the badland stuff around there. Um, so you
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: can almost set up a camp like that, but then
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: just drop down the hill into the white tail stuff.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: That would be That would be a really cool way
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to do it. So yeah, it was awesome North Dakota,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. What do we have? We found eleven or
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: twelve sheds while we were there. Yeah, I think we're
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: at eleven or twelve. I think eleven if I remember right. Yeah,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: twist like a lot of nice, really nice quality antlers,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and the two match sets are to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: both of our biggest match sets. Yep. So sweet. And then, um,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you know, we kinda had used up all the places
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I had found on the map that I thought were
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: worth checking out in this general region. Um, and then
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: we're having no issues. Like I said earlier, a lot
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: of spots we still want to go see we couldn't
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: get down because they're all mudded out. So I decided
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: to head back towards where a deer hunted last year
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: in Montana and east in Montana. Um, and so that's
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: what we did. On day four. We drove to eastern Montana,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: set up camp where I was at last year and
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: then UM decided to shed hunt and scout some of
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: the public land there and then also try to get
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: permission from some of the landowners I met out there
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: to walk some of their stuff. So this was a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: situation where my previous year's experience helped out a ton,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: because last year, while I was hunting in this area, UM,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: when I was camped out was like setting up camp.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: One day, a neighboring landowner came over and talked to
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: me and wanted to, you know, make sure I wasn't
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: an idiot who was gonna screw up stuff on his
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: neighboring property and stuff like that, and wanted to just
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: get to know me and what I was doing. He
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: ended up being a really nice guy, ended up showing
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: me around some of his stuff and blah blah blah,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And then he talked to another neighbor, and that neighbor
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: came drove down to my campsite the next day and
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: he came to talk to me, And so I met
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: these two really nice people last fall. Well this spring,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: now i'm back. I went and talked to both of
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: them again and said, hey, you know, me and my
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: buddy further, we're down here looking for some she alers. Yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: they thought it was a weird named um and and
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: they both ended up really lending us a hand. UM.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: One of them gave us permission to walk his property UM,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: which was a really big chunk that also gave us
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: access to additional public land to UM. And then the
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: other guy was was offered a less walk a little
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: bit of his and then also gave us access to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: his canoe to cross a river to get to more stuff. UM.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: So I mean the long story short in the Montana
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: with three days there in Montana. UM, the first day
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I found a match set on public land, which is
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: pretty sweet. And that was one where I saw one
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: side and I'm like, boom, go get it. And then
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: he goes off and running the other direction. I'm like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: what the heck is he doing? And then I look
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: at word what he's doing and his head is in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: the other antler. He's sniffing the other antler the other side. UM.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: So that was cool. And then we started walking some
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: of the private that we got permission on and UM,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know how would you describe this stuff. It
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: was a little different than where we were at North Dakota.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: It was still river bottom stuff, Um, but a lot thicker,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: don't you think, super thick? Yeah, those of the Russian
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: olive and man that stuff. I mean you were we
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: were calling around our hands and knees down there. Um,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: that was pretty brutal. Yeah, it was. I don't even
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: know how to describe it. Like imagine like the thickest,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: nastiest like thorn bushes that you might have to walk
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: through in Iowa, Dan and then just imagine like stretches
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: of like forty acres of that or whatever, just NonStop.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: But it all looked like underneath it, like there was
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: kind of tunnels burrowed through it where all the deer
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: were moving through, and there was just like deer crap everywhere,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: rubs on almost every tree. I mean, it was so
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: tempting to get in there because you're like, there's gotta
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: be sheds in here. Um, So we we pushed through it.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: We spent more time dodging tree branches and saving your face,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: and then you probably did actually looking for antlers down
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: in there. That was that was the issue. We probably
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: walked by a bunch of them. Yeah. What was nice
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: about this area in Montana, though, is that in North
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Dakota there wasn't any like food source. There wasn't any
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: kind of air culture, um, particularly close to the places
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: that we were walking about. UM. Here on these properties,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: we were either able to walk a food source or
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: we are close to food sources. So the number of
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: deer in there was like even more, even higher than
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: what we had in Northcota. I mean like really really
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: high deer numbers and lots and lots of bucks. I
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: mean I saw lots of bucks last year when I
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: hunted there, but this trip made me realize it's even
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: better than I realized. Um. That first day, I found
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: eight sheds um. And that was only like a half
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: day because the first half of the day was like
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: getting set up, getting there, set up camp. So it
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: really was a half day. And I had my best
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: day of shed hunting ever that day, UM with eight pickups.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: And then Josh, you found one. Yep? Was that stefing you?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Uh No, no I was. I was a very um,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: courteous shed hunter. I didn't cross your lines at all,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: just fun to make sure you didn't get too down
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: on yourself. So I let you pick them all up
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: that day. I had to have the content, right, I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: gotta get the content I'll tell I'll tell you what
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Kurt Josh was that. Um, he is so slow. I mean,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: he just he just takes his sweet time everywhere he goes.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I'm always looking by my shoulder like are you coming, Josh,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: are you coming? Or like we had we're heading into
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: this great looking betting area and we're about to get
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: into it. I'm thinking, oh, there's gonna be a shut
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: up here anywhere. And then Josh like, hey, man, going
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: ahead of me, I gotta use the bathroom. So so
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: he's like rushed around his backpack for toilet paper and stuff,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: and me and Boom go walking ahead and I go
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: pull out like two really nice sheds that maybe he
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: could have picked up if he was walking, but he
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: was And when Josh of those moments, Man had one
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of those moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah, been a couple of days.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: You know, we're out you're out there and you're eating
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: protein bars and all that kind of stuff. You know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: just things happen. Things happen. The thing about Further is
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I've spent I've stayed in many hotel rooms with him
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: and stuff because we do these we do these out
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: of state hunts together a lot. He'll go if we
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: need to go down this, He'll go in the bathroom
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: and you'll hear him like watching YouTube videos and like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: singing along to music. He's calling his wife. So I imagine,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I imagine we're out there shed hunting, I'm picking up sheds,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and he's sitting like was back up against a tree trunk,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: like watching YouTube and talking to Kelly and all this stuff.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why you missed out, dude. I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: don't know. Hey, my motto in life is a slow
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and steady wins the race. So I was nice and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: slow and steady. And I think my wife's You and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: my wife probably both kill me times. You know, you
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: guys both have the same issues with me. I think, yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: he's Yeah. I won't lament anymore on that. But that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: was a fun day. Yeah. And then the next day
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: it was the highlight probably of the trip. Yeah, And
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I think that that We started the day, went and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: scout some different public land. Didn't find much there, beautiful
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: area and we saw a ton of animals, ton of antelope, mule, deer,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: white tails, all sorts of stuff, but just no sheds.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Didn't look at the kind of stuff we want to hunt. Um,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: so one of the landowners then got in touch with said, Hey,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: if you want to cross the river with me on
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: my canoe, you can get access to this other stuff.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Um so then this is where it gets good. Here
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: it gets good. Do you want to do you want
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to tell this his story Josh? Or how do we
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: How do we tell? I think you'll do. I think
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you'll do a great job. But telling it so Dan,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: you won't be surprised about this because I've developed a
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: history of doing this kind of stuff. Now, um, I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna cross this river to get to this other
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: section that's based on the maps and what I think.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, this is gonna be amazing. Shed hunting
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: in here, that's gonna be awesome. There's gotta be lots
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: of deer in here. So me and the landowner are
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: gonna go across the river and the canoe first, and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: then I was gonna come back across on my own
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: and pick up Josh and then go back drop him off,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and then come back across and pick up the landowner
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: his wife. We're gonna shuttle people across. The river is
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: really high again from runoff, it's really muddy, it's really fast,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: it's pushing through there all the snow melt from the spring. Um.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: But I've canoed a lot over the course of my life,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: he asked me. He's like, you you comfortable, You good
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: with canoes. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm good with canoes.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: But I got to thinking that forwards. I guess I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: haven't canoed on a river since like high school. But
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: but me and the landowner go paddling across, and he
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: keeps saying that the keys, you gotta keep the nose
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: of the canoe pointed into the current, so basically you're
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: pointed upstream, and then you just gotta kind of float
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: with the river down, but just keep your nose pointed up.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: So we managed to get across the river just fine.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I drop him off, and he says, okay, go back across,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: grab Josh and do it again. So the canoe is
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: pretty narrow, and I get sat in it and I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: start to push out, and just as I pushed on
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: into the river, like immediately, the canoe like tips almost
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: all the way over. Holy smokes um. And then I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: rip myself and I balance out. I'm like, Okay, that's good,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I got this. I got this under control. He just like,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: just make sure the nose stays pointing down or upstream,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: make sure the water is coming towards you. So yeah,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I got, I got. So I'm like, oh, I'm in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: good control. I'm balanced. I've got my my legs on
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: either side spread out real wide to spread my way across.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Took a deep breath and pushed off one more time,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm focused. I know exactly what to do. I'm
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: pointing the nose of the canoe right down stream upstream.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I take one paddle out and immediately the current takes
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the nose in that canoe and whips it around like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: a whole ninety degrees, and just instantly, the canoe flips
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: over completely in the middle of the river capsizes. I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: go flipping over. I fall completely in the river up
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: to like my chest, and in midfall, I just remember thinking, oh,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: ship and then my cell phone were the two things
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I remember thinking. I managed to though it was shallow
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: enough right there that I was able to get my
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: feet and I grabbed the canoe, and I just remember
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: the next thing thing is like, do not lose this
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: guy's canoe. Like I was so embarrassed already. I can't
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: believe I just did this in front of him and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: his wife, after just telling him, Oh yeah, I'm good
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: into canoes, and instantly I flip over in this torrent
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Or river and that I'm holding on like dear life
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: for the canoe, trying to make sure I don't lose.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: It's like dragging me down the river. And I think
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the guy was yelling at me, like, let go the canoe,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: let go the canoe, because I think he was just
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: worried I was going to drown. Um. But in my head,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I can't lose this guy's canoe.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: So after I don't know how long, it probably was
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: like three seconds, but to me it felt like thirty
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: five seconds or a minute. Like in there, like battling
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: this canoe that was filling up with water and sucking
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: me downstream. I summoned, I summoned my inner hulk strength,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I think. I think, if I remember right, Josh, didn't
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: I picked the canoe up out of the water and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: hold it over, didn't I completely I'm pretty sure I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: put it over my head and was yelling and then
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: walked through the raging room. Oh man, I think the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: best part of it though, I think the best part
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: of it, Like as soon as you went over, as
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: soon as you went under, the landowner's wife's okay, I
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: think I'm just gonna stay on this side of the river.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Completely lost trust in him. Yeah, She's like, I'm not
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: riding across the room. Yeah. So. So I managed to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: save the canoe and get out of the river. Um,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: but I was completely drenched and um. Then the landowners like, okay,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: we need to get you back to the house to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: get you warmed up and dried off and stuff. And
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, no, I'm fine, and he's like,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: oh no, we gotta get you back. I'm like, oh no,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: I'm finely as long as I walk. Um, as long
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: as I'm walking around, I'll be fine. I'm like, I've
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: done this before in Iowa. Don't worry about it. There
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: was snow on the ground, and there was snow on
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah so so yeah. Man, I was soaking
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: wet and it was probably in the thirties. It was cold. Um,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: but I was like, damn it, I already made it
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: across the river. I'm already soaked. I might as well
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: try to find some sheds. And I'm glad we did
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: it because we had about an hour and a half
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: to shed hunt, and then we had to come back
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: and shuttle the land. Excuse me, we had to shuttle
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: the land on her back across the river and then
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: we could continue. So we had like an hour and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: a half and Josh, you you found the shed of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, I found the shed of my life.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: And it was Yeah, we had hardly been walking to me,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: We're maybe back in there for ten minutes. I got
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: one and uh it is timed down and uh uh
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I walked up to him. At Holy God, I waited
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: for I waited for you to get over there because
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I knew it was a good one, and um, I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: pick it up. And this thing it's just a it's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: got serious mass. It's got a split brow and I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: don't know what this other. I don't know if you
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: want to call it another main beam or a third
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: brow time. Um, it's a giant. I'll probably never find
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: a shed like this in my life. Um, it's awesome. Yeah.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's a it's like a seventy inch plus
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: side and like you said, like triple brow time's huge,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: like seven inch third brow time curling up off of it.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a wild looking antler. Yeah yeah, and
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: then um, and then make sure it doesn't do it
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: justice though. Man, when I did it did to me
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: it didn't look like a huge shed. But man, that is.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: That's big. Seventy inches is big. Oh yeah, man, it's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: I'm all on it right now. It's um. I barely
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: put my hand around it at the bottom of it.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I mean it's so it's got really good yeah, real
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: good mass carries it all the way through throughout the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: main beam. I'll have to put a tape on it
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: here and see what ends up being. Yeah. We were
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: basing that estimated score off of Corey falls regulation that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: he did via photo, so he's usually pretty accurate on those. Um.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: But Josh, you have to tell us what the actual
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: score is. And then after that, I found one more
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: on our way back to Shuttle the landowner a crossed.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to talk about
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: that moment um, because I I had some bad luck.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I think that river was really raging. That was probably
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: what caused me to tip over. It was a difficult situation.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Cards were stacked against me. Um. But but further you
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: you then we got back to the river, and I said,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going back across, and I'll be honest, I was.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I was pretty shook up. Like after that, I was.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I was pretty miserable, soaking wet, and I'm like, I'm
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: not going across that thing again. Palli it myself. So
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Josh, Josh, you told you told me. You're like, well,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: you're already wet, so you should do it. And I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: know I already experienced this. You need to have this
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: life experience too, and so you did it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: I did it. I did it. I actually think the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: water was a little higher. I think a little bit faster.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: You run off. Oh no, dude. I made it across
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: there like a pro, you know, slow and steady. That's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I told you that's my motto. I got.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I got the landowner crossed, and I I was even
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I was even talking to him on the way back,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: like nothing was even going on. And I just glided
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: right across that river like it was, you know, the
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: smoothest river in the world. I don't I don't know
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: if you knew this, Dan, but Josh was the two
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: thousand five Kennawan Hills Athlete of the Year and he
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: likes to remind us of that often. So as soon
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: as he got across the river. As soon as he
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: got across the river, he looks at me as his
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: athlete of the year. I just like to rub rub
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: it in Mark's face. Little. It was as as it
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: was pretty impressive. I think it was looked pretty good
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: coming across there. Yeah, yes, sailing that was good. And
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: so what was your guys is? Because you know you said,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have said, well, we found a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: shed here, we found a couple shed here. You know, Mark,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: one day you found eight or something like that, But
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: for this whole trip, it sounds like you guys just
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: raked it in in total. Yeah. So the first like that,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: first North Code of the day we found none. Second
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: North Code of day we found five. The next North
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: quarter day we found six. Our first day in Montana
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: we found nine total because I found eight, Josh found one.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: And then this day that we were just talking about
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: was our best day, both of me and Josh's best
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: day of shed hunting either. Ever. Um, I found twelve
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: and Josh you found how many? I think I had eleven? Yeah,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: so we picked up twenty two sheds on this day. Um,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: and like nice ones. You know that that triple browton
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: one Josh talk about the really big hammer four points
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: side I found. I found several other really nice five
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: point sides, lots of nice like probably like hud pointer
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: type shed hunt sheds all on public ground, a mixture
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: of publican private. Yeah, because we had we had permission
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: from this one landowner and then we could access some
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: public through that too. Um so yeah, man, we we
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: pulled them in. I mean it was nuts. It was
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: it was a shed hunting day like nothing I've ever experienced. Um.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: You it's just it's what you dream of. It was
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: really like a dream shed hunt. Like so many times
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: I go shed hunting, I'm like, oh man, there's gotta
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: be one in there, and you go look in there
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: and then there's nothing. Um, and that happens over and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: over and over again. But on this trip, many times
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, there's gotta be a shed in there,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: and then you stick your head and they're like, oh,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: there's a big whole crown right there. Um. It was
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: just it was just I mean, it's it was unreal.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: It's just fun. I mean, it was shed hunting like
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: on steroids. Because you're actually finding lots of sheds. I
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: don't know you had a black Josh, I mean right,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it was. I was glad I was
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: able to make it work get out there. Yeah, lots
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: of antlers, and again I found some more spots that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: I want to hunt. I definitely feel more confident about
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: hunting this area again. Now, um, we found, like I said,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: nice shed antlers in there. We also found several dead bucks,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: like nice bucks. Um, so while it's a bumper that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: the buck's dead, it is indicative of the quality of
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: deer that ken survive out there. Um. So that made
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: me more confident in the general area. Um. And then
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: that final day we found another we had I think
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: we needed to find six antlers to get to fifty
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: for the trip. We're like, oh, you know, it doesn't matter,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: but it'd be cool if you get to fifty antlers.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: And we ended up finding our six antlers. So we
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: got to fifty and we're walking back to the truck
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: and we're just walking across another sage brush flat on
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: public land, and UM, we're just saying, oh man, it'd
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: be nice we get one of those sage brush surprises
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: like we did that one day in North Dakota, and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: not seconds after saying that I got one, there's a
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: five point side right there in the middle of like
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: no man's land, nice little five point antler snagged that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: and put us at fifty one UM, and that wrapped
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: up the trip. So it was nuts. I mean, I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: think I found twenty eight antlers. I think Josh had
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: whatever the difference is twenty three or whatever or something
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: whatever that turns out to be. And I'm I've got
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I've got seven or eight right next to me. They're
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: all like big antlers, like really nice ones. Um. And
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: then lots of like there's tons of two year old
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: bucks that we picked up, like small five point side
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: or small four point sides, um, but they're still cool antlers. UM.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: So this is it was. It was the best shed
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: hunting trip of my life. I had two days in
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: a row that were my best days ever. Um. And
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: then this makes it my best shed hunting year by
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: far ever, because I think I had I had fourteen.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: We had twelve sheds that I found up to this
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: point in twelve was my best year ever before this.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Now you had twenty two or twenty eight to that,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and I'm at forty for the year, so I blew
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: my past best year out of the water. Um so
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. I've got a lot more antlers
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: to uh to adorn the cabinets with, and the tables,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: and uh three or four new good public land spots
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: to hunt, and a great week of camping and walking around.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: So it was a great trip all on all in,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: not to mention, got to spend some time in a
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: place that you know, one of our leaders in the past,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: the other Roosevelt, was really inspired by and we got
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: to go experience that same place, which I think, I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if you felt the same way, Josh, but
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: like that that was a powerful thing for me to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: just sitting out there and thinking about it and looking
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: out there and imagining what this must have looked like
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: back then. And um, I've always found that pretty cool.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Any thoughts, Dan, I got. Yeah, you you know, for
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: a while now you've mentioned this project you're working on
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: about public lands. Can you tell us when you're like,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: do day is or when you're goal to have it
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: completed is, so we can you know, start thinking about
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: getting you know, like buying it or or consuming it
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: or whatever it's gonna happen with it. Yeah, so I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: still can't. I don't want to officially announce anything until
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: it's officially announced. Um. But yeah, it makes sense like
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: another Yeah, another entity will be announcing this, and so
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I want to let that entity announce it first. But
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: probably if you've heard me talk about this in the past,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: you probably know what I'm talking about or maybe have
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: an idea of what I'm talking about. But basically, there's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: this thing I've been working on for a long time
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: that involves writing that's big and it's gonna come out someday.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: So you can take a jump to conclusions, Matt and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: figure this out yourself. Um, but I think there'll be
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: something you can purchase maybe next year, um, if things
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: go well. Um, but this is this kind of project
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: takes a long time, so it'll be announced when it's announced.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: It'll be announced when it's announced, and you'll learn about
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: it when. Yes, but it will include some discussion of
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: this shed hunting trip, which would be kind of fun.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, Josh or Dan uh for wrap this
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: little storytime up? Oh man, I think just make sure
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: that when you go again, you holler at yours truly.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I'll make sure to put it out there and if
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: you can, if you can pull some magic off and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: can clear this space, you definitely should try to do it.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Because already I won't even walk in front of you guys,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I'll even make that promise. Well, we're already talking like
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: uh with the rest of the guys, the rest of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: my buddies, that we should do our weird hunt shed
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: hunt out west next year. So you should definitely try
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: to just just plan on carving out some time Dan
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: in like late March, and we'll just hit several states
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: out west, find a bunch of public land, camp out
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: there with a bunch of people. Have to have a
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: lot of locations, but I think there's enough land that
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: you could say, Okay, you two hit this chunk, you
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: two hit this chunk, you two hit this chunk, and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: you could do that for days and you would never
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: run out of spots. Um. So man, you know, I've
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: said it for years now on the podcast that I'm
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: just a sucker for the West, and it's been really
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: cool to be able to combine my love for that
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: area with my love for white tails. Um. And this
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: trip was just another really cool way to do that.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: So um, I'll be out there again. I can't wait,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and um, hopefully you guys will be too, Josh, anything
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: else you want to add, Uh, Yeah, I hope we
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: didn't like set the expectation too high for us if
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: we go back out there again with our buddies or whatever.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I think we got. I think we got a little
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: bit lucky just with the weather, um getting there right
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: after the stone milt during the week and all that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: good stuff where I don't think it's really picked over
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: too much. But man, if we could hit it like
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: we did again, uh, we would definitely do well for
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: ourselves again. Um. But I just want to say thank
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: you for inviting me along, and Um, I had a
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: great time. We had a lot of fun, even though
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: we weren't shed hunting. We had said a lot of
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: fun even in the car. It's a long drive and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: is just a good time. God, Yeah it was. We
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: laughed a lot, and I agree with your first point
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: being that we did get lucky in that. Yeah. I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: don't think other people had shed hunting this stuff yet
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: because we heard that just like the week before the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: weekend before there was snow over everything, So we got
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: to get out there before the weekend, just after snow melt,
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  Speaker 1: so we're getting first pickings on a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So we we definitely did time it purely by luck
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  Speaker 1: and that that happened really well. Um, So yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: might not always be that good, but I agree we
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  Speaker 1: had a good time. We laughed a lot. I embarrassed
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  Speaker 1: myself a lot. That landowner, I still believe he really
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  Speaker 1: thinks that there's probably something wrong with me. We we
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  Speaker 1: just kept on joking about can you imagine what he's
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  Speaker 1: telling his friends, Like the stories that are passed around
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  Speaker 1: that town about this kid from Michigan. I'm sure a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people got laughs. You know what's you know
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  Speaker 1: what's funny though, Dan, me and me and Josh were
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  Speaker 1: we're camping out intents just off the road. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's a small town out there, so I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people drive down this road and they
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  Speaker 1: usually don't see the cold people tent camping. Um. So
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  Speaker 1: me and Josh, after we're done, we're heading out of town.
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  Speaker 1: We stopped this bar to get dinner um before starting
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  Speaker 1: on drive back to Michigan. And as we come out,
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  Speaker 1: this woman stops me. I can't remember, how did that start? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: She recognized the vehicle. I thing. She looks like, She's like, like,
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  Speaker 1: are you those guys that are tent camping up on
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  Speaker 1: that road? And I was like, oh, yeah, that's that's us,
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  Speaker 1: And she looks at me right in the eye says,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are badass. I said, yes, ma'am, we are.
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  Speaker 1: So I met you that that comment right there made
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  Speaker 1: you feel better than finding all of those ships, because
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: you probably could have beat me up. So I'm made
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  Speaker 1: sure to tell my wife that right away, to that,
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  Speaker 1: Hey there's something out there. Thanks for pretty bad ass.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, but as soon as the story of the
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  Speaker 1: canoe gets gets around town, though, then it'll be oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: only one of you, only one of you is a
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  Speaker 1: bad as that the Yeah exactly, that's exactly what they
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  Speaker 1: think about me. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't the
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  Speaker 1: show and the show alright, guys, good good times. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait till next year. And that is going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for us. Thanks so much for sticking around
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  Speaker 1: for this far ranging storytelling episode of sorts. We certainly
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  Speaker 1: had a good time with it. Before we wrap it up,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of quick updates. Number one, if you haven't
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