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Appeals court says “yes” to the Ten Commandments in Texas schools · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:24
  While we are one step closer to the Texas 10th Commandment law entering the Supreme Court, we are.
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  We're there.
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  We're knocking on the door while this is happening because of a decision by the Court of Appeals the other day.
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  While this is happening.
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  May 1st is just around the corner.
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  And hundreds of schools, actually, with hundreds of students are planning to walk out.
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  They're planning protests, which is a we we've got two opposing educational points of view here.
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  And they are unfolding before our very eyes.
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  We're going to get into the uh the dissection today.
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  But before we do, before we dive into the federal court of appeals ruling in favor of the Ten Commandments, versus what's happening here on May 1st and the juxtaposition between these two opposing views of education.
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  We've got a history class today.
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  That's right.
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  It's one of our favorite days of the week is history class day.
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  I mean, it's mine.
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  It's probably yours too.
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  I don't know that you'd be listening.
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  If you would continue listening, if maybe history class wasn't one of your one of your favorite things.
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  Today, 1758, James Monroe is born in Westmoreland County, Virginia.
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  Of course, James Monroe is indeed the fifth president.
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  He is the last, the last president of the founding generation, James Monroe, president number five.
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  We've got the bookends of Washington and Monroe, the presidents of the founding generation.
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  The book ends in that famous painting of Washington crossing the Delaware, painted by Emmanuel Lutz.
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  It's sitting behind me right now on the wall.
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  Of course, uh Monroe was born in the same county as Washington.
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  He's tall like Washington.
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  He's tall and he's dignified.
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  Matter of fact, many people said that because of this, because of his dignity and because of his height, they reminded he was Monroe reminded them of Washington.
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  Thomas Jefferson reportedly declared about Monroe that he was so honest.
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  If you turned his soul inside out, there would not be a spot on it.
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  I mean, that's honesty right there.
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  Umro is the son of a planner.
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  He attended the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg.
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  But Monroe abandoned his studies to fight in the Revolutionary War.
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  And he was with Washington's army on Christmas night, 1776, when they crossed the Delaware to attack the um the uh the German troops at Trenton, the Hessians, as it were, Trenton, New Jersey.
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  It was Monroe who led the charge, one of the charges against uh enemy cannon right there in downtown Trenton.
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  A musket ball ripped into his shoulder, nearly killing him.
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  Uh, when his wounds had healed, he went back to fighting for independence.
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  But but the story here is an interesting one.
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  The the story of the musket ball ripping through his shoulder, his his chest area nearly killing him, he would have died, except uh for one lone doctor, one lone doctor.
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  And and the way that that the doctor joined the regiment is a very intriguing story in and of itself.
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  Now, as you know, uh the the crossing of the Delaware was done in complete secrecy.
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  The men didn't know where they were going.
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  Most of the officers didn't know where they were going.
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  I mean, the the officers that were in Washington's inner circle knew.
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  But even, you know, the the commanders of the of the of the various companies, they didn't know.
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  They just knew, hey, look, here are our orders.
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  We're crossing the Delaware, and we're gonna march.
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  We're gonna go on a long march, and and and it's going to be worth your time to stay awake and to stay alert.
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  I mean, the men were pumped.
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  They were like, okay, we're not retreating anymore.
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  We're we're actually going to get to fight.
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  I mean, that's what they wanted.
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  They wanted to fight, they didn't want to retreat.
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  And so they were excited about this operation being done in secrecy.
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  And the they spent the the early morning hours crossing the Delaware.
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  The crossing began on Christmas Day, 1776.
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  Well, Christmas Day evening.
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  And they finally made it across the Delaware about three o'clock in the morning.
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  And they begin this quiet march.
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  And the reason that they wanted to march quietly towards Trenton is because they didn't want to wake up any homeowners.
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  They were unaware of the people in that area where they stood, if they were loyalists to the crown, or if they were patriots.
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  And so this is this is a quiet march.
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  They are doing their absolute best to march as quietly as humanly possible.
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  And in so doing, and then trying to be quiet.
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  They pass this particular house.
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  And a dog hears them outside, and the dog starts barking profusely.
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  And the owner of the house stumbles out of bed.
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  He's like, what in the world's going on?
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  Why won't my dog stop barking?
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  And as he stumbles out of his house sleepily and tiredly, he sees these men marching down the road and he approaches them.
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  And he inquires of who they are and where they're going.
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  And it just so happens that he's speaking to James Monroe.
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  And he says, where are you guys off to?
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  And Monroe is like, you know, we're patriots.
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  We're not really sure where we're going, but we're marching.
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  We are we're going somewhere, uh, and there's gonna be a battle.
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  And so the man introduces himself as a doctor.
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  Introduces himself as a doctor.
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  He says, I am I'm a doctor.
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  He says, I am I'm a doctor.
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  Uh Dr.
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  Dr.
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  Riker is his name.
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  Riker is his name.
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  And he says, you know what?
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  And he says, you know what, you one of you guys might need me.
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  One of you guys might need me.
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  I'm coming with you.
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  I'm coming with you.
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  I'm a patriot.
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  I'm a patriot.
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  I'm a doctor.
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  I'm a doctor, you might need me.
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  You might need me.
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  I'm on board this train.
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  I'm on board this train.
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  He packs up his stuff and he starts marching alongside of James Monroe.
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  He packs up his stuff and he starts marching alongside of James Monroe.
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  When they get to Trenton, and the surprise attack ensues, Monroe, as I said, leads this charge.
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  When they get to Trenton and the surprise attack ensues, Monroe, as I said, leads this charge.
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  And
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  And he takes a musket ball to the to the chest shoulder area, severing an artery, about ready to bleed out.
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  But because of Dr.
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  Riker, standing there next to him, Riker takes his finger and plugs up the hole.
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  Riker's like, I got you, Monroe.
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  I am your man forever, you know, sort of thing.
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  Riker saves the day, ends up uh getting the uh the wound cleaned out, ends up retrieving the musket ball, uh Riker essentially saves Monroe's life.
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  And if not for the dog, if not for the dog waking up, or you know, and and and barking uh loudly and annoyingly and waking up Riker, Monroe is a dead man.
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  These are the the fun stories of of history that you can kind of trace back the hand of providence, because if Monroe is a dead man, we don't have our fifth president.
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  And if we don't have our fifth president, then we don't have the doctrine that bears his name.
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  After the war, after Monroe lives, survives, Riker saves his life.
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  He studies law under Thomas Jefferson, and he embarks on this remarkable career.
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  He served in the Virginia Assembly, he serves in the Continental Congress, he serves in the U.S.
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  Senate twice as governor of Virginia.
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  Uh Washington sent him to Paris as a U.S.
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  minister to France.
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  And under uh Jefferson's presidency, Monroe helps to negotiate the Louisiana purchase.
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  Uh he served as U.S.
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  minister to Britain under President Madison's uh administration.
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  Monroe was thought so highly that Madison appointed him to serve simultaneously as Secretary of State and Secretary of War.
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  Never happened before.
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  Monroe's taking up two two cabinet positions.
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  Uh and of course, Americans reward him for his tireless tireless efforts.
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  They elect him uh to turn two terms in the White House as president from 1817 to 1825.
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  And in 1823, this is when the declaration that the Western Hemisphere was off limits to colonization by European powers was enacted by Monroe under the name of the Monroe Doctrine.
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  The United States would not try to seize colonial possessions, uh Monroe said, but it would also not permit any European nation to establish new colonies in the Americas.
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  And uh, but that's it.
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  You this territory, this land is off limits to Europe.
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  This is going to be an American dominated piece of land.
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  And of course, this doctrine has been a pillar of American foreign policy ever since.
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  And it's it's the doctrine that Trump uh referred to and enacted when he went down to Venezuela to arrest Maduro, essentially stating, hey, we're not gonna have, we're not gonna have thugs in our hemisphere.
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  Uh we're kind of watching what's unfolding here in in Cuba.
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  And perhaps under Kennedy, we should have been, and even under Eisenhower, we we perhaps should have been more stalwartish in the Monroe doctrine as it pertains to Cuba and even as it pertains to the rest of South America to keep communism out of our hemisphere.
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  Um we owe this doctrine to James Monroe.
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  And essentially, we owe James Monroe to Dr.
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  Riker, uh, who on that fateful uh uh winter evening on December, it would have been December 26th at this point, in the early morning hours of December 26th, 1776.
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  Riker joins the band and he says, I'm coming with you guys.
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  Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna march alongside of it.
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  He volunteers his services.
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  This is the epitome of patriotism.
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  And uh this is the very act right here that John Hancock was referring to years later, uh 18, I don't know, 89, 1888.
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  I'm sorry, not 18, 17, 89 in that area, maybe 1788.
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  He's the governor of Massachusetts.
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  He's speaking to the assembly there in Massachusetts, and he's he's talking about how we can express our gratitude to Almighty God for giving us this glorious land.
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  This is even before, obviously, before Monroe's president.
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  Um, you know, we're still decades away from Monroe declaring the Monroe Doctrine.
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  And uh Hancock is saying, as a people, we need to offer our gratitude for for the the many blessings, the blessings that we can't count and list.
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  There, there's so many of them.
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  And and the way we express our gratitude is through patriotism.
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  It's it's by it's by being patriotic.
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  It's by it's by loving the country.
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  That's how we do it.
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  We express our gratitude to God for giving this us the country by loving the country.
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  It makes sense ultimately when you express your gratitude for something, the best way to do it is to love that something.
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  Whatever that thing is, if if you're grateful for it, then you know, love it, take care of it, be tender towards it, uh, nurture it, develop it, cause it to grow, pour your love into it so that there is nothing but unadulterated growth.
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  And this is this is what Hancock is saying, how uh we we we show our love and our gratitude to God for giving us this country by being patriotic.
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  And it was Dr.
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  And it was Dr.
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  Riker who did that very thing.
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  Riker who who did that very thing.
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  His patriotism was on full display in the early morning hours of December 26, 1776.
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  His patriotism was on full display in the early morning hours of December 26th, 1776.
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  And because of that full display, because of that love, because of that patriotism, because of his willingness to walk with an army.
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  And because of that full display, because of that love, because of that patriotism, because of his willingness to walk with an army, perhaps towards a certain doom and certain death.
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  Perhaps towards certain doom and certain death.
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  He didn't know what awaited him on that.
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  He didn't know what awaited him on the other side of their wherever they were going of their destination.
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  He just knew the men were marching.
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  They were patriots.
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  They loved the country.
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  They were fighting to defend the country.
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  And he had an opportunity to march with them.
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  Just in case one of them needed him.
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  And the one man that needed him would prove to become our fifth president, who would prove to become the final president of the founding generation, and who would establish a doctrine in this country, a doctrine of foreign policy that would carry on for centuries, even to this day.
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  We would be better off, I think, as a people, as I said, had this doctrine been followed more closely, had it been followed profusely, had it been followed to the letter throughout throughout time.
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  I think we'd be in a better position.
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  Perhaps we wouldn't have Marxism overtaking one of the greatest cities on the planet, if not the greatest city, New York City.
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  We probably wouldn't have this fight of Marxism unfolding before our very eyes.
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  And I don't, I don't know.
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  Maybe we haven't really uh explored that.
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  I've been kind of we we will.
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  We will absolutely explore it in detail because we're gonna watch it fail.
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  We're gonna watch communism utterly fail.
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  The the disappointing thing, and that is in order for it to fail, it's gonna have to do what it does.
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  And it could very well tank the greatest city on the plan.
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  Not very well.
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  It's going to.
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  I mean, it's a horrible prediction that New York will fail and utterly end up in a trash heap.
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  That is the only direction for it.
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  Unfortunately, that is the only direction for it.
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  Had Monroe's advice been followed, perhaps we would not uh see New York in this situation.
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  And so again, this is why history class is so important around here.
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  It's why we have to talk about it.
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  Because we must remember, we have to remember where we came from.
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  And in remembering where we came from, we should remember not only uh Providence, the hand of God in getting us here.
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  Uh that the hand of God and that uh Riker was awakened, and that Riker went with with the troops, specifically James Monroe, but also the the patriotism that that was on display, the patriotism that that was put forth, the love of country that was uh that that was displayed in the hearts and minds and actions and lives of these men of this period.
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  Now here we are.
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  We're we're 250 years celebrating American independence, and part of that celebration is patriotism.
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  Uh we we we can celebrate 250 years.
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  We can celebrate this glorious once-in-a-lifetime anniversary through patriotism.
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  We can take Hancock's advice here, and we can show our gratitude through patriotism.
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  So April 21st, just last last week, a few days ago, the federal court of appeals issued a ruling in the state of Texas and the Ten Commandments.
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  This thing is going to the Supreme Court.
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  We we know it is.
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  And in upholding Texas Senate Bill, the Fifth Circuit overturned a lower court injunction that had barred this law from taking effect.
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  Judge Stuart Kyle Duncan wrote for the majority opinion when he said we conclude the Texas law does not violate either the establishment clause or the free exercise clause.
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  And of course, this is this is making the opposition seethe with anger, seethe with disgust, seethe with fill in the blank, whatever negative adjective you want to come up with.
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  They're the lead here in attacking this law.
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  They don't want it to happen.
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  They don't believe the Ten Commandments should be on display because they don't believe morality should be taught in our education system.
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  The court's ruling goes against fundamental First Amendment principles and binding U.S.
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  Supreme Court authority.
• 25:50
  Well, I wonder if it's still going to be binding Supreme Court authority when this Supreme Court rules in the exact same way that the Fifth Circuit has ruled here.
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  That's my prediction.
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  Now you can't really predict, I think what this particular Supreme Court is going to do on any given matter or and or subject, but I think on this one.
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  And with Judge Stuart Kyle Duncan and his majority opinion, concluding that the Texas law calling for the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public school classrooms does not violate either of the of the clauses in the First Amendment that pertain to religion.
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  The establishment clause or the free exercise clause.
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  No violation here.
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  So you've got you've got entities here that are antithetical to any religion at all in public schools.
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  Although the state of Texas has said, look, this the fact that the Ten Commandments are being hung in public school classrooms has nothing to do with religion.
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  It has everything to do with the uh historical legal foundations of this country that are indeed rooted in the Ten Commandments.
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  How can you, how can you accurately educate students in America about American history and exclude the Ten Commandments?
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  You can't.
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  It's uh incongruent with itself.
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  But the ACLU, they don't they don't see it that way.
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  But the ACLU, they don't see it that way.
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  They they see this as religion, and this Congress cannot establish a religion, and therefore this law breaks the establishment clause.
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  They see this as religion, and this Congress cannot establish a religion, and therefore this law breaks the establishment clause.
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  They continue in their statement, stating the First Amendment safeguards the separation of church and state and the freedom of families to choose how, when, and if to provide their children with religious instruction.
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  And the freedom of families to choose how, when, and if to provide their children with religious.
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  Okay, I'm going to stop right there because the First Amendment does none of those things.
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  If we say safeguard the separation of church and state, I don't know that that's actually accurate.
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  I think the First Amendment tells uh Congress that it cannot um it cannot interfere with uh religious practices.
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  That's the point of the First Amendment.
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  So I guess it's not that they're wrong here, but uh it's not uh that the point of the First Amendment was not to cancel religion, it's not to safeguard the canceling of religion, but it's to determine and dictate to Congress that they cannot interfere.
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  In other words, they can't thwart, they can't Congress cannot uh choose one religion over another.
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  Uh but I mean, if we if we are to look at, this is the beauty of it.
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  This is the beauty of language, and we've talked about this here from time to time.
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  I guess we're gonna talk about it again, because I'm feeling it.
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  If you look at the the debates of that first amendment, the the the authors of it were synonymously using the word religion with denomination.
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  In other words, this is a Christian country.
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  The religion of this country is one of Christianity.
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  And the founders and the framers of the Constitution did not want Congress to establish one denomination of Christianity over another.
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  Actually, Pennsylvania, they were they were Quakers.
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  And and Maryland, they're they're Catholic.
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  And Virginia, they were Anglican.
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  Uh other states were congregationalists, other states were anabaptists, other states were this, that, and the other.
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  And the the framers didn't want the federal government to have the authority to establish one religion over another or one denomination.
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  It wasn't that they were antithetical to religion.
• 31:11
  I mean, the record bears this out.
• 31:15
  They were not antithetical to religion.
• 31:19
  They they believed that religion should be in an education.
• 31:22
  Look at the Northwest ordinance.
• 31:25
  Uh religion, morality, and knowledge.
• 31:28
  That's what they felt was the foundation of education.
• 31:32
  The Bible was used in education throughout.
• 31:36
  And the framers of the Constitution, none of them were opposed to that.
• 31:43
  Not a single person who voted for the First Amendment was opposed on record as saying the Bible should not be in classrooms.
• 31:54
  Indeed, the Bible was in classrooms for decades.
• 31:59
  The Bible was part of classroom instruction.
• 32:03
  Without any without any pushback from these guys who drafted this document.
• 32:28
  Waiting for a time when the American memory would would wane and and fail and and wax short, as it were.
• 32:39
  And they just passed this idea on to their um their offspring, who was also antithetical to religion because they were taught to be.
• 34:03
  What the First Amendment does is it puts shackles on Congress saying that it cannot limit religious instruction.
• 34:13
  It cannot establish one Christian denomination over another, and it cannot limit the freedom to express your religious points of view.
• 34:25
  And as a family, as a parent, if you don't want your child to have this religious point of view, then you can raise them and in that regard, certainly.
• 34:45
  You didn't have to engage in it.
• 34:56
  We've talked about the Bible, actually, you know, Bible passages and portions of the Bible being included in curricula in the state of Texas.
• 35:00
  You know, Bible passages and portions of the Bible being included in um in curricula in the state of Texas.
• 35:08
  And and the passages that are included are not.
• 35:08
  And the passages that are included are not passages that that browbeat a student into Christianity.
• 35:21
  They're passages that are designed to help young people uh work through things.
• 35:28
  For example, the passage on anxiety, where Jesus is, you know, instructing his disciples look, don't worry, don't be anxious.
• 35:38
  Uh that is not brow beating somebody to believe in Christianity.
• 35:45
  So you you certainly have have a right to choose whatever religion you want to choose here, whatever particular denomination you want to be a part of.
• 35:57
  You you you've got that right.
• 35:58
  You have that um, you know, you have that ability.
• 36:02
  Go ahead, take it, choose it.
• 36:04
  It's yours for the choosing.
• 36:07
  Uh, and that the fact that there is perhaps a Bible passage being discussed in the classroom, doesn't dissuade anybody from this, or the fact that the Ten Commandments are hanging on the wall doesn't dissuade anybody from being whatever they want and following whatever religious belief and practice they want to follow.
• 36:32
  But the ACLU, they say that this decision tramples those rights.
• 36:37
  And the ACLU anticipates asking the Supreme Court to reverse this decision and uphold the religious freedom rights of children and parents.
• 36:47
  So this is where we're going.
• 36:48
  We're going to the Supreme Court.
• 36:51
  Uh they're going to ask the Supreme Court to reverse this decision.
• 36:56
  So I think this is a legitimate question.
• 36:59
  Do you think?
• 37:00
  Where do you think it falls?
• 37:02
  Do you think the Supreme Court reverses this decision?
• 37:06
  I I don't think they do.
• 37:08
  I think that this Supreme Court, who would they've they are on record as saying, look, we're going to look historically at how the nation has treated the Bible, how the nation has treated prayer, how the nation has treated Christianity.
• 37:23
  That the historical record is going to be our framework, the historical record is that's where we're going to start.
• 37:32
  We're not going to start in 1962 and 63.
• 37:35
  We're not even going to start in the 1950s when when the when this idea began to be planted in the hearts and minds of justices.
• 37:43
  And that was probably being implanted even prior to the 50s.
• 37:49
  But certainly they're not going to look at the 60s as their starting point when the decision was made that uh that the that the first amendment needs to be rewritten, redefined.
• 38:00
  There were words in the first amendment that were redefined, where Congress, not establishing a religion, the word Congress was redefined as a public school teacher, who then could not pray or could not use the Bible, because well, that was akin to Congress establishing a religion.
• 38:20
  Uh, when in fact the public school teacher is not a member of Congress, and there's not a law being established here.
• 38:29
  Ultimately, what happened is one portion of the First Amendment was weaponized.
• 38:36
  The establishment clause was weaponized to attack the freedom of expression clause.
• 38:43
  That was their whole point.
• 38:45
  And they achieved it.
• 38:46
  They miraculously achieved it.
• 38:48
  But this Supreme Court has said, look, that's not going to be our starting point.
• 38:52
  Our starting point is the historical record.
• 38:56
  How have we treated Christianity?
• 38:59
  How have we treated prayer?
• 39:00
  How have we treated the Bible in public schools historically?
• 39:05
  And that's what they're willing to look at.
• 39:07
  And based upon those statements, based upon that fact that they're going to look at history.
• 39:17
  That tells me I've got faith and confidence that this court is not going to reverse that this Supreme Court's not going to reverse the decision brought to us here by the Court of Appeals.
• 39:30
  And by this, is it the Fifth Circuit?
• 39:32
  I think it's the Fifth Circuit.
• 39:35
  Um, yeah, the ACLU, yeah, Fifth Circuit.
• 39:38
  Yeah, so the ACLU says we anticipate asking the Supreme Court to reverse this decision.
• 39:44
  I anticipate the Supreme Court telling the ACLU.
• 39:52
  No, we are not going to reverse this decision.
• 39:56
  I mean, what we'll see.
• 39:57
  We're going to see where this thing is is going to shape out, but it gets exciting.
• 40:01
  I mean, from here on out, I'm telling you, we are in, we are in the land of pure unadulterated excitement.
• 40:09
  Doesn't get any better than this.
• 40:11
  I mean, if you if you love this sort of thing, if you're if you're geeky about history and about um, you know, about just about this kind of stuff, I am.
• 40:20
  If if you if you're excited about education, if you're excited about the opportunity to actually educate our young people in truth, and to educate them in morality and to pour into them something different than what they're being given right now.
• 40:40
  Because right now, I mean, this Friday, uh, hundreds of schools are shutting their doors.
• 40:48
  So their kids can go protest law enforcement in America.
• 40:55
  Public schools and public school teachers are operating as activists and teaching children to do the same thing.
• 41:04
  That that, my friends, is not education.
• 41:07
  This Friday, May 1st, is a living breathing example of activation, not education.
• 41:16
  It it should tell the entire country why our test scores are as abysmal as they are.
• 41:24
  Right here on Friday, we're we're gonna see it live and in person across the country.
• 41:29
  It's unfortunate.
• 41:31
  It's absolutely unfortunate.
• 41:33
  But we have an opportunity to turn this thing around.
• 41:36
  And my friends, I say we take it.
• 41:39
  All right, uh more of this conversation on the other side of this break.
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  All right.
• 44:44
  Um, so here we are.
• 44:46
  Texas is they're not messing around.
• 44:49
  Texas is is this is the real deal.
• 44:52
  And they they believe wholeheartedly that the 10 commandments should be on display.
• 45:00
  Uh and they're just you know, they're just going after it.
• 45:03
  And when they when they signed, uh, went when Greg Abbott signed SB 10 in into law in 2025.
• 45:14
  Uh it was supposed to take effect September 1st, 2025.
• 45:19
  I think he signed it into law.
• 45:20
  I think August, maybe.
• 45:23
  Uh again, it required every classroom to post a framed or mounted English translation of the Ten Commandments.
• 45:31
  And it was even specific with its measurements.
• 45:34
  16 by 20.
• 45:36
  The point was that so it could be read from anywhere in the room.
• 45:40
  Uh, and it the displays aren't, they're not paid for with tax money, they're all private donations, they're not part of the school budget.
• 45:48
  Uh, but but afterwards, after this, you know, after the after the law was passed, uh, 16 families coalesced to file suit against it.
• 46:01
  They specifically filed suit against 11 school districts in Texas.
• 46:08
  And in August 20th, 2025, Judge Fred Byery, I think, maybe B-I-E-R-Y, maybe Biery.
• 46:19
  Uh, he's at a San Antonio, and this judge issued a preliminary injunction, uh, essentially ruling that this law was in violation of the First Amendment, specifically the establishment clause that Texas, the state of Texas, wanting to put the Ten Commandments up, violated the First Amendment establishment clause.
• 46:46
  Now, the First Amendment, again, let me just remind you.
• 46:49
  Let's just be clear about this.
• 46:51
  The First Amendment describes what the federal government cannot do.
• 46:57
  And that is to establish a religion.
• 47:00
  The First Amendment does not describe what the state governments can do.
• 47:05
  It doesn't.
• 47:06
  And for this judge to say, oh, the Texas, they can't.
• 47:11
  They can issue 10 commandments.
• 47:13
  They're people, they can't vote their legislature into office and then have their state legislature require the Ten Commandments to be posted in public schools in Texas.
• 47:24
  That violates the First Amendment establishment clause.
• 47:28
  It's it's completely upside down and backwards.
• 47:32
  Uh there's there's nothing in the in the law.
• 47:36
  There's nothing in the in the in the first amendment that says what the state of Texas can or cannot do.
• 47:41
  It's what the federal government can't do.
• 47:44
  Uh, the attorney general in Texas, Ken Paxton appealed the ruling to the Fifth Circuit the very next day.
• 47:53
  And then Paxton issued a legal advisory warning to to the school districts in the state of Texas, saying, Hey, this is still the law of the land.
• 48:02
  This is the law of the state of Texas, and you better obey the law.
• 48:08
  And then he went on to sue three school districts who who you know thumbed their noses at him.
• 48:14
  And he said, fine, I'm suing your hineies.
• 48:18
  A second district judge, then in November, Judge Orlando Garcia, uh, again granted a preliminary injunction calling on several school districts, uh specifically probably the school districts that the lawsuit pertained to.
• 48:37
  But he said, No, take down the display.
• 48:40
  Uh, and and he banned the school districts from from posting it, posting new displays.
• 48:47
  And again, he said that SB10 runs a foul of the establishment clause's prohibition on government endorsement of religion.
• 48:57
  This is a this is a judge here.
• 49:00
  This is a district judge.
• 49:00
  This is a district judge.
• 49:02
  Don't you think he understood?
• 49:02
  Don't you think he understood?
• 49:04
  Doesn't he have to know that what the First Amendment, what it restricts?
• 49:04
  Doesn't he have to know that what the first amendment?
• 49:08
  What it restricts, then it's the federal government.
• 49:09
  And it's the federal government.
• 49:12
  It's not the state government.
• 49:12
  It's not the state government.
• 49:15
  And even so, uh, don't uh I'm yelling.
• 49:15
  And even so, don't uh I'm yelling.
• 49:18
  I apologize.
• 49:18
  I apologize.
• 49:20
  My blood pressure is probably going up.
• 49:20
  My blood pressure is probably going up.
• 49:23
  And I'm starting to yell, okay.
• 49:23
  And I'm starting to yell, okay.
• 49:25
  I'm gonna dial it down.
• 49:25
  I'm gonna dial it down.
• 49:26
  I take it, I don't take any of it back.
• 49:26
  I take it, I don't take any of it back.
• 49:28
  I'm just I'm I apologize for.
• 49:28
  I'm just I apologize for yelling.
• 49:31
  I mean, you're a judge.
• 49:32
  You've got to understand the constitution, don't you?
• 49:36
  I mean, I'm I'm not a judge, I'm not a lawyer.
• 49:41
  I'm a I'm not even uh I wouldn't even, I couldn't even probably be classified as a as a historian.
• 49:47
  I more of a lay historian.
• 49:48
  I mean, I love history, and I love the constitution.
• 49:51
  You don't have to be a rocket scientist to read the constitution and understand what it means.
• 49:58
  You don't.
• 49:59
  I mean, we have constitutional lawyers, and you know, we have men and women who study this document and who study case law and you know, who dive into it, you know, head first, and and God bless these individuals.
• 50:13
  They um, you know, for the most part, I'm sure they're they're good people.
• 50:18
  But it, you know, all if you know how to read and you know how to comprehend, and you know how to do some research, you you can pretty much determine what the constitution says.
• 50:32
  You can determine what it means, and you know the Bill of Rights are shackles on the federal government.
• 50:39
  That's it, they're shackles on the federal government, they have nothing to do with the states at all whatsoever.
• 50:46
  But I mean, there are there be constitutional scholars that come along and say, well, I blah, it pertains to the blah blah blah blah blah.
• 50:53
  I mean, that that's fine.
• 50:54
  Uh, that's fine.
• 50:57
  But these two judges are wrong.
• 50:58
  I'm just telling you that right now, they're they're wrong.
• 51:02
  This is not uh a violation of the uh of the establishment clause.
• 51:08
  Well, yeah, I guess it violates the establishment clause the way those Marxist judges interpreted it in 1962 and 60 whatever.
• 51:19
  But if you look at an accurate historical original interpretation, it violates nothing, absolutely nothing.
• 51:30
  Uh uh Rabbi Nathan v.
• 51:33
  Alamo Heights Independent School District uh had oral arguments made to the full 17 judge panel in January that included both the Texas law and the Louisiana law, and at that point the court permitted the Louisiana law to proceed, and they've done the same thing here with Texas.
• 51:59
  And I just I mean the Supreme Court, do you honestly think that it's going to be any different?
• 52:06
  I don't.
• 52:08
  I don't.
• 52:09
  This hearing is likely going to go to the Supreme Court by next June.
• 52:13
  We'll probably have an answer by next June.
• 52:17
  That's my prediction.
• 52:19
  We will we will know that the Ten Commandments historically are a part of our nation's founding.
• 52:30
  And they should be on display in public school classrooms, not only in Texas, but he but in and in left blue states, they should be on display.
• 52:42
  Public school classrooms.
• 52:44
  This isn't a battle against anything other than morality.
• 52:53
  That's it.
• 52:53
  It's a fight against morality.
• 52:55
  There are people who don't want citizens to receive a true and a good uh and a excellent pure education.
• 53:05
  They don't want it.
• 53:06
  They want they want us dumb, they want us stupid, they want us mind controlled, they want us going out to be activists.
• 53:17
  That's what they want.
• 53:18
  They would rather send us out to the streets.
• 53:20
  Like what's gonna happen here on May 1st.
• 53:23
  They they literally want these students to go out to the streets and become activists.
• 53:32
  Let me just here, I'm I'm looking at the clock, right?
• 53:35
  I see we've got a few minutes.
• 53:36
  Let me just pull up here.
• 53:38
  Uh, this is Madison, Wisconsin.
• 53:41
  The Madison Metropolitan School District in Wisconsin sent out a message notifying parents that May 1st classes will be canceled.
• 53:51
  So teachers can join anti-ICE protests, so the teachers can protest the law in this country.
• 54:04
  That's that's happening in Madison.
• 54:07
  Um this report says almost 2,000 teachers in Charlotte, North Carolina are calling out to protest on May 1st.
• 54:15
  At least seven school districts, including two of the biggest in the state, have now canceled classes because they don't have enough staff to supervise the kids.
• 54:27
  This is the reality when teachers choose activism over work.
• 54:33
  Hang on, there might be one more here.
• 54:36
  This is oh, Winston Salem, Forsyth County Schools, and multiple other North Carolina school districts are canceling classes on Friday, May 1st.
• 54:49
  Um teachers at Santa Fe High School passed out flyers, encouraging students to protest, uh, or I'm sorry, encouraging students to march out of school on May 1st in order to protest, in order to protest the actual law in this country, you know, we used to take pride in teaching the law.
• 55:17
  Lincoln's address to the young men's lyceum was just that.
• 55:21
  It was uh we need to teach the law.
• 55:24
  That needs to be our focus.
• 55:27
  We need to teach the constitution.
• 55:29
  That's what that's what Lincoln told him.
• 55:32
  Uh we used to we used to make it a uh an important feature in American education that we would raise God-fearing law-abiding citizens, and it's just not the case anymore.
• 55:47
  It's not the case.
• 55:48
  This system doesn't want to educate young people, it wants them to become activists, activists against the actual law.
• 55:59
  And I'm telling you, it's a problem.
• 56:00
  Telling you it's a problem.
• 56:01
  It is, it's a big problem.
• 56:01
  It is, it's a big problem.
• 56:03
  And I would encourage you if you if your school district is planning to go out, if your child is in a school district that is canceling school to go protest the law in this country, then um I'm not telling you what to do, but I'd I'd pull my child out of that school district so fast, heads would spin.
• 56:03
  And I would encourage you if you if your school district is planning to go out, if your child is in a school district that is canceling school to go protest the law in this country, then um I'm not telling you what to do, but I I'd I'd pull my child out of that school district so fast heads would spin.
• 56:28
  I'd do it.
• 56:28
  I'd do it.
• 56:29
  I'm telling you.
• 56:29
  I'm telling you, but you know what?
• 56:30
  You are your own.
• 56:32
  You're your own citizen.
• 56:33
  You're gonna do what you're gonna do.
• 56:34
  All I can do is encourage you to do what's right.
• 56:38
  All right, my friends, that's it.
• 56:40
  We are out of time.
• 56:41
  Thank you for joining us today.
• 56:42
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• 56:47
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