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Sharri | 31 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight, why politicians can't bring themselves to express
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Speaker 2: support for President Trump's war in Iran, plus the secret
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Speaker 2: plan to send an elite unit into Tehran to extract
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Speaker 2: nuclear material or cross live to Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister
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Speaker 2: Sharen Haskel. Also on the show, Albanezi pressed on his
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Speaker 2: government's plan to add nearly forty more politicians to Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and Holly Hughes will get Stuck in and
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Speaker 2: Jackie OSU's arn for eighty two million dollars. We'll get
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Speaker 2: the backstory from the journalist who's been breaking the news
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Speaker 2: on this, but first tonight, President Trump is weighing up
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Speaker 2: a daring military mission to send American forces into Iran
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Speaker 2: to remove nearly one thousand pounds of uranium. This would
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Speaker 2: help prevent the theocratic Islamic regime from building a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal reports that in a e lead's
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Speaker 2: Special Operations team, highly trained in handling radioactive material, would
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Speaker 2: conduct the mission. The President and at least some of
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Speaker 2: his allies would have said privately it would be possible
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Speaker 2: to seize the material in a targeted operation that wouldn't
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Speaker 2: significantly extend the timeline of the war and still enable
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Speaker 2: the US to be done with the conflict by mid April,
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Speaker 2: according to the person familiar with the discussions who's quoted
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Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal, but it would be a
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Speaker 2: highly complex operation with significant risk, and the President reportedly
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Speaker 2: hasn't made a final decision. There is another option that
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Speaker 2: this material would be surrendered as part of a deal
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Speaker 2: with Iran. To that end, President Trump is stepping up
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Speaker 2: his threats to completely obliterate Iran's energy infrastructure if it
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Speaker 2: doesn't do a deal to end the war.
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Speaker 3: He's also calling on.
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Speaker 2: Our Gulf nations who want the IIGC dealt with to
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Speaker 2: help America and Israel fund the war. US Secretary of
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Speaker 2: State Mirco Rubio has made it clear that the war's
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Speaker 2: objectives will be fully met in weeks and not months.
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Speaker 4: We have very clear objectives that we're trying to achieve here.
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Speaker 4: Those objectives are the destruction of their air force, which
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Speaker 4: has been achieved, the destruction of their navy, which has
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Speaker 4: largely been achieved, a significant reduction in the number of
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Speaker 4: missile launchers that they have, which were well on our
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Speaker 4: way to achieving. We will achieve those objectives we are
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Speaker 4: well on our way or ahead of schedule. We will
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Speaker 4: achieve them in weeks, not months, and then we'll be
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Speaker 4: confronted with this issue of the streets of hormones and
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Speaker 4: it'll be up to Iran to decide, and if they
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Speaker 4: choose to try to block the straits, then they will
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Speaker 4: have to face real consequences.
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Speaker 2: Yet we're seeing the media pretty uncritically run the line
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Speaker 2: that Orian denies talks to end the war are underway.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This is unbelievable even for biased journalists that they ABC
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Speaker 2: because Pakistan, Turkey, and Egypt are all confirming that their
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Speaker 2: acting is intermediaries. Left leaning media outlets, it seems, are
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Speaker 2: actually barracking.
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Speaker 3: For Iran, a cruel, repressive terror.
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Speaker 2: Regime that executes its own innocent people. But it seems
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Speaker 2: for the left the proverb the enemy of my enemy
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Speaker 2: is my friend holts irrespective of the brutal nature.
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Speaker 3: Of that enemy.
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Speaker 2: And Iran is now holding the world hostage economically by
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Speaker 2: controlling shipping through the Strait of Homus with the Israeli
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has today put forward a new suggestion to
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Speaker 2: avoid one of the world's worst terror regimes, repeating this
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Speaker 2: oil supply crisis again and again in the future. Benjamin Ettigna,
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Speaker 2: who says the oil pipelines should be re routed to
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Speaker 2: carry the Golf State's oil and gas to the Mediterranean.
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Speaker 5: Interesting ideas to divert all the energy pipelines oil and
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Speaker 5: gas from the Gulf where the Iranians have a geographic
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Speaker 5: chalk point westward across Saudi Arabia to the you know,
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Speaker 5: to the Red Sea and up there to the Mediterranean
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Speaker 5: imports our ports in Israel, and therefore you just get
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Speaker 5: around the geographic chalk point and allow basically free free
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Speaker 5: flow of oil and gas.
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Speaker 2: It's a long term solution, but a good idea because
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Speaker 2: one fifth of the world's oil passes through the Strait
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Speaker 2: and prices have risen globally amid fears of a supply shortage.
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Speaker 2: Now Netdinyaho's also asked about an end date for the war,
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Speaker 2: and he said that it's beyond halfway, not in terms
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Speaker 2: of time but in terms of meeting their objectives. But
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Speaker 2: he did say there was more to be done.
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Speaker 5: It's definitely beyond the halfway point. But I don't want
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Speaker 5: to schedule beyond halfway in terms of missions, not necessarily
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Speaker 5: in terms of time, I don't want to get into strite.
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Speaker 2: And he also said that the missile that reached the
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Speaker 2: US British based Diego Garcia, four thousand kilometers away from
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Speaker 2: Iran should be a wake up.
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Speaker 3: Call to the West.
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Speaker 2: And he made the point that the West has been
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Speaker 2: ignoring the Iranian threat for a long time, and in
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Speaker 2: my view, this is still happening. There's still a tendency
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Speaker 2: to downplay or even misunderstand the threat of Round poses
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Speaker 2: to us in the West, including as far away as Australia.
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Speaker 3: Now, last night I had.
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Speaker 2: A labor politician from the Albanese government on the show,
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Speaker 2: raf Chiconi is the chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee
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Speaker 2: on Intelligence and Security, and he was stronger, more clear
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Speaker 2: eyed than any labor or liberal politician I've seen on
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Speaker 2: the need for a run to be dealt with.
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Speaker 6: We acknowledge that the conflict's obviously having some pain, particularly
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Speaker 6: with people on the petrol bowls at the moment, and
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Speaker 6: I get that, but I think it's important that we
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Speaker 6: can't now leave an operation and allow Iran and its
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Speaker 6: proxies to then be emboldened and then to attack us.
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Speaker 6: I mean, as you know, we've had at least two
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Speaker 6: terrorist attacks here on Australed soil targeted primarily towards the
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Speaker 6: Jewish community. Could you imagine if we allowed the regime
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Speaker 6: to continue and actually not target those people and hold
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Speaker 6: them to account for these atrocities.
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Speaker 2: I mean that is razor sharp, clear eyed thinking. See
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Speaker 2: it's not hard to actually explain why Iran poses a
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Speaker 2: threat to Australia, Yet other politicians just aren't even trying
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Speaker 2: to do this. And Raf explained that the United States
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Speaker 2: and Israel need to be able to finish the job
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Speaker 2: they started in Iran, even if fuel prices are temper
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Speaker 2: rarely high.
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Speaker 6: The efforts by the United States and the State of
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Speaker 6: Israel are important in efforts to make sure that we
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Speaker 6: do have peace in not just the Middle East, but
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Speaker 6: around the world. It's important that the US and Israel
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Speaker 6: are able to in some ways finish the job and
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Speaker 6: actually target the regime and make sure that it has
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Speaker 6: an inability to continue to export that hatred as well
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Speaker 6: as protecting its citizens who they have massacred tens and
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Speaker 6: tens of thousands of people in their own country. I
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Speaker 6: think it's important that the US and Israel are able
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Speaker 6: to continue in their operation and see the course of
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Speaker 6: it ending.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's extraordinary to hear this from a labor
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Speaker 2: politician in the Albanese government and compare his strength on
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Speaker 2: national security to the weak words from Andrew Hasty who
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Speaker 2: said that Trump had miscalculated in the Iran War. Now,
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Speaker 2: former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl today in The Australian
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Speaker 2: wonders whether Hasty is picking up ideas from the isolationist
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Speaker 2: JD Vance or from the Labor Party. He writes, if
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Speaker 2: this is Hasty's considered military view, it is certainly worth
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Speaker 2: listening to.
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Speaker 3: But this line has been taken.
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Speaker 2: By US isolationists and anti Trump Democrats who are desperate
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Speaker 2: for this enterprise to fail.
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Speaker 3: It's an undeniable point. And here's the question.
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Speaker 2: What is the alternative to taking on Iran militarily? I mean,
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Speaker 2: do they want to leave Iran to accumulate its military
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Speaker 2: arsenal to grow as a threat to Western civilization. This
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Speaker 2: is not an alternative that the world can live with indefinitely.
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Speaker 2: Future generations and their freedom depend entirely on what we
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Speaker 2: tolerate today. And look at what Aray is already prepared
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Speaker 2: to do. Public executions of their own citizens, firing missiles
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Speaker 2: and drones at their Muslim majority neighbors, funding brutal massacres
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Speaker 2: in Israel, and fire bombing innocent businesses half a world
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Speaker 2: away here in Australia, Iran has to be dealt with,
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Speaker 2: and any suggestion to the contrary naively ignores the reality
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Speaker 2: of this regime and the.
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Speaker 3: Threat it poses to all of us.
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Speaker 2: A temporary oil shock is terrible economically, it's brutal, but
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Speaker 2: it's also yet another wake up call for Australia to
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Speaker 2: be self reliant. We should have learnt this lesson firstly
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Speaker 2: during the pandemic and then secondly during the Russian Ukraine War.
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Speaker 3: The fact Iran is.
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Speaker 2: Using oil as leverage is not a reason to back down.
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Speaker 2: It's a reason to go harder to destroy their ability
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Speaker 2: to do this again and again. Gain some moral clarity
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Speaker 2: from both the Government and the Coalition wouldn't go astray now.
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Speaker 2: Opposition Leader Angus Taylor has slammed a proposal to expand
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Speaker 2: the size of the Federal Parliament, and this is being
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Speaker 2: explored by the Special Minister of State Don Farrell. One
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Speaker 2: option would be to include another forty politicians twenty four
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Speaker 2: MPs from the Lower House and fourteen extra senators.
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Speaker 7: This proposal, which would cost over six hundred million dollars
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Speaker 7: for taxpayers, for Australians, for hard working Australians, is not
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Speaker 7: what we need right now. Australians are in a cost
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Speaker 7: of living crisis, They're in a fuel crisis. We have
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Speaker 7: an economy that is not working for hard working Australians
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Speaker 7: and the priority of this government clearly is to increase
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Speaker 7: the size of the Parliament.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Anger Taylor directly asked the Prime Minister about this in
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Speaker 2: question time today.
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Speaker 3: He appeared to rule it out.
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Speaker 8: I am satisfied with the current number of seats in
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Speaker 8: the House of Representatives, that's one hundred and fifty. I'm
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Speaker 8: also very satisfied with the composition of the current parliament.
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Speaker 2: Mister Steer, Well, let's bring in tonight's panel former Liberal
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Speaker 2: Senator Holly Hughes and former Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kraiger.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Michael, not only is this proposal which is
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Speaker 2: being examined, very expensive, but it's simply designed to increase
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Speaker 2: Labour's stronghold on power, isn't it.
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Speaker 9: Of course it is Sharry, as the late Great Kerry
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Speaker 9: Pecker might have said, to paraphrase him, they're not doing
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Speaker 9: well enough up in canber to warrant employing forty more
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Speaker 9: of them. No technology has changed dramatically for me, members
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Speaker 9: of Parliament, dramatically, and that's why you can safely argue
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Speaker 9: against having more. Angus Taylor has got this right again.
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Speaker 9: He seems to be making the right call on all
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Speaker 9: these issues. I might add, but no, does the public
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Speaker 9: think we should have forty more politicians? Certainly not. We're
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Speaker 9: so over governed in this country, with local government, state government,
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Speaker 9: federal government, a massive number of government authorities, instrumentalities, red
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Speaker 9: tapers from here to Timbuctoo. We need less regulation, less
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Speaker 9: politicians and fewer bureaucrats. And I think Albo got that
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Speaker 9: message because this proposal lasted a day and at one
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Speaker 9: day in one hour, and that was it.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's actually been running for quite a few weeks now,
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Speaker 2: if not months. I mean we've been covering it on
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Speaker 2: the show. Heard Ben Fodam talk.
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Speaker 9: About Farah released it yesterday as well. Was what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Holly, clearly they are keen to do
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Speaker 2: this because a lot of the politicians would be in
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Speaker 2: inner city areas, and with the current trends, that would
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Speaker 2: mean likely to be elected as labor.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, but it's like everything that's being done at the moment,
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Speaker 10: it's also piecemeal. And Michael's right when he talks about
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Speaker 10: the fact we're completely over government and the size of
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Speaker 10: this country does not really reflect the need for three
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Speaker 10: layers of government. To then start adding more politicians would
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Speaker 10: just be absolutely insane. What I don't understand though, is
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Speaker 10: why Angus decided to give Albanezier heads up on this
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Speaker 10: before question time? Why not ask him in question time
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Speaker 10: before you know? He in effect gave him an opportunity
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Speaker 10: to find Tuney's answer before it got to question time.
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Speaker 10: It just seems whoever's doing the strategy behind that, and
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Speaker 10: it might be okay in the idea itself, but whoever's
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Speaker 10: putting the strategy together for this, there's no real political
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Speaker 10: win here.
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Speaker 2: I want to move on to the comments that Andrew
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Speaker 2: Hasty made about his relationship with Angus Taylor, because you know,
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Speaker 2: there's the reports that Taylor has counseled, Angus has canceled
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty for you know, going off script, not just
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Speaker 2: off script, but departing from their official policy position and
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Speaker 2: saying that he'd considered tax increases. Now Andrew Hasty has
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Speaker 2: come out and said this wasn't any sort of counseling,
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Speaker 2: It was just a casual chat. But Michael, you know
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Speaker 2: this is pretty performed, isn't it from Hasty? I mean,
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Speaker 2: he lost the leadership ballot, so shouldn't he now be
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Speaker 2: loyal to Angus Haley instead of to Angus Taylor, instead
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Speaker 2: of causing him problems by freestyling.
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Speaker 9: Well, he withdrew from the ballot rather than contested, But.
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Speaker 3: He was the leadership Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Correct, he was the rival. Yeah correct.
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Speaker 9: Look, traditionally, you want all front benches to be singing
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Speaker 9: from the same songbook. That's the tradition of politics. And
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Speaker 9: if you can't do that, you don't remain a member
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Speaker 9: of the shadow ministry. I hope Andrew stays where he
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Speaker 9: is and continues to make a contribution. He's an absolute
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Speaker 9: rocks star of an MP as far as I'm concerned.
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Speaker 9: But do I think Texas should be increased in this country?
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Speaker 11: No?
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Speaker 9: And do I think Trump's made a monumental mess of
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Speaker 9: the Middle East?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 9: I don't think that either. But look, he's a war hero,
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Speaker 9: he's an Australian hero and I'm always always we I
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Speaker 9: always love hearing his views because they're always incredibly well considered,
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Speaker 9: thoughtful and back by his own experience.
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Speaker 10: Holly, oh, get the popcorn ready. I mean, you know
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Speaker 10: this is absolutely insane. Angus now saying, you know, we
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Speaker 10: need all this shadow Cabinet solidarity when they were very
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Speaker 10: very firmly out there criticizing Susan when she did take
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Speaker 10: a stand against people that broke with Shadow Cabinet solidarity.
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Speaker 3: Be right, But Angus Taylor didn't do that.
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Speaker 10: Angus Tyler was overseas so he didn't even have to
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Speaker 10: bother voting on what that was about.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't overseas for the entire time, and Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: was leader and he was respectful to her. But you
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Speaker 2: did have Andrew Hasty, you know, intervening or giving his
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Speaker 2: independence thoughts on the public debate often, and now he's
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Speaker 2: doing this to Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Well it's a test if Angus is going to abide
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Speaker 10: by the Shadow Cabinet rules that the others were removed
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Speaker 10: from Shadow Cabinet for being in breach of. But you know,
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Speaker 10: Angus gave Susan Lay nine months perhaps Andrew's got a
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Speaker 10: similar timeline. Say where that lads.
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Speaker 3: That he'll give Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 10: Yes, maybe he gets nine months and say, how is
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Speaker 10: you know, all this policy that was supposed to be
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Speaker 10: coming and reversal of the polls which isn't occurring. Perhaps
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Speaker 10: there'll be a timeline there.
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, aren't you worried that some of these views
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Speaker 2: that were expressed on Sunday morning by Andrew Hasey are
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Speaker 2: not conservative views, not on national security and not on
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Speaker 2: the economy.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, he's the shadow Minister for industry and he's
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Speaker 9: testing the market on lots of ideas. But generally speaking,
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Speaker 9: the Liberal Party in favor of tax increases, No, we
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Speaker 9: are not and never never has been. And I discount
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Speaker 9: that pre election nonsense, five dollars. That's not a tax cut.
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Speaker 9: So the fact that you know we didn't we didn't
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Speaker 9: support that is neither here nor that's just irrelevant labor
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Speaker 9: trying to make pay out of that. But on the
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Speaker 9: US War, you know, one of the problems here is
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Speaker 9: that Trump, because the war powers act an American, because
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Speaker 9: he didn't get congressional approval, he's not able to say
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Speaker 9: America is at war and in not saying America is
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Speaker 9: at war and that World War III is taking place,
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Speaker 9: And a lot of people think he's on a frolic
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Speaker 9: of his own, which of course he's not. It's not
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Speaker 9: a war of choice, it's a war of necessity. And
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Speaker 9: you know, it's very easy to criticize Trump. No other
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Speaker 9: presents had the guts to do what he's doing. He's
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Speaker 9: got every Arab country in the Middle East supporting him,
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Speaker 9: including Egypt and Turkey. Sirias certainly are the Lebanese government
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Speaker 9: would be supporting him, and then all the Gulf states
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Speaker 9: are supporting him. Why would all those people, and of
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Speaker 9: course Israel, why would all those people be supporting Trump?
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Speaker 9: I mean, what do we know here in the First
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Speaker 9: World Western countries where we're not subject to war, here
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Speaker 9: in Australia or in America. What would we know about
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Speaker 9: Iran that all of the countries directly affected by Iranian
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Speaker 9: terrorism don't know? You know what, we know nothing, nothing
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Speaker 9: compared to them. If you want to get a view
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Speaker 9: on what's happening there, ask the people directly affected. Eighty
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Speaker 9: percent of Israelis support the war, and I always think
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Speaker 9: overwhelmingly a majority of people in the Gulf States and
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Speaker 9: the other Arab countries also support what America are doing
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Speaker 9: because they know that Iran is the evil in the
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Speaker 9: modern world.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Michael and yet Holly, Australian politicians struggle to express
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Speaker 2: any support for the war, where you know, they're not
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Speaker 2: even mounting the case to Australia about why the war
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Speaker 2: was important. And that's why it was just so refreshing
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Speaker 2: to see that from raf Chikop How.
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Speaker 3: Good was Raff was excellent.
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Speaker 10: He's an excellent senator who works really hard, So it
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Speaker 10: was great to see him on your show and expressing
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Speaker 10: so clearly those views. It's a pity more people don't
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Speaker 10: have the capability to express those views. And I think,
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Speaker 10: you know, when you see what Albanese has done, there's
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Speaker 10: polls out on the weekend saying, oh, Australians really aren't
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Speaker 10: that sure about this and they might not really support
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Speaker 10: this war effort. And then Albanese's language becomes even more
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Speaker 10: wishy washy when it comes to it. He's not a leader.
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Speaker 10: He's pole driven and responsive to only those poles. It
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Speaker 10: RAFs right that you know, the evil of Iran does
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Speaker 10: need to be defeated, and this is the best opportunity
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Speaker 10: that we're probably going to have for a really long time.
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Speaker 9: And Shari Sherry, can I just add to what Holly's saying,
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Speaker 9: that's Chacony. I saw that inter of you last night.
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Speaker 9: He's a Bob Hawk labor man, right, He's a Hawk
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Speaker 9: labor man. He's expressing the views that Bob Hawk would
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Speaker 9: have expressed. Albanesi, Albanesian, Wong and Burke and co. They're
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Speaker 9: Jeremy Corbyn labor men. That's the problem.
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Speaker 1: And if I hear.
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Speaker 9: Alberzi or Wong talk one more time about de escalation
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Speaker 9: and restraint, my goodness, restrain after October seven, et cetera,
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Speaker 9: et ceter the litany of cowardice goes on. These people
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Speaker 9: are the Nevil Chamberlains of this generation. Albanesian Wong, right,
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Speaker 9: they would be in affection with nebl Chamberlain in England
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Speaker 9: in nineteen to thirty nine and during the war if
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Speaker 9: they were around at that stage, Chamberlain would embrace them
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Speaker 9: and say you are my people. You are my people.
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Speaker 9: Not that not that Churchill bloke. That Churchill bloke wants
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Speaker 9: to start a war. He's he wants to start a
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Speaker 9: war with alf Hitler. No we've got to de escalate.
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Speaker 6: We have we have the compromise, Magine East and restraint.
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Speaker 9: The Jews of Israel, cherry, the Jews of Israel. What
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Speaker 9: they needed after the massacre of Octobers Evan was to
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Speaker 9: exercise restraint. Oh good on you, penny, good on you elbows.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, while there was still going on in that restraint
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Speaker 2: escalation so well, said Michael.
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Speaker 3: Just finally, you know.
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Speaker 2: Albanzi also made an inaccurate statement yesterday. He said that
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Speaker 2: an objective of the war had been regime changed. Well,
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Speaker 2: it never has been raised change. That has been a
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Speaker 2: hope that that would eventuate, but never the objective. And
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Speaker 2: the Israeli ambassador, the new Israeli ambassador, clarified that at
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Speaker 2: the press club today.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 12: But there is a strong chance that when we cease
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Speaker 12: the military activity, there is a strong high probability that
21:19
Speaker 12: the people of Iran will then hit the streets and
21:22
Speaker 12: topple the issue.
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Speaker 10: But it is their decision, Holly, It's always been their decision,
21:28
Speaker 10: and that's been all of the language that's been used, exactly.
21:31
Speaker 10: And the ridiculous thing is we still have protests supporting
21:35
Speaker 10: Palestinians occurring, yet where are the protests or the rallies
21:40
Speaker 10: to support the Iranians who are desperate for their country
21:43
Speaker 10: to be reclaimed. We need to be doing what we
21:46
Speaker 10: can to support the Iranian people take their country back.
21:50
Speaker 10: But this has never been about direct regime change.
21:53
Speaker 3: No exactly, although hopefully it is a hopefully it happens.
21:57
Speaker 2: Scot's Holly Hughes, Michael Kroger, thank you both so much.
22:00
Speaker 2: And by the way, a bit later in the program,
22:02
Speaker 2: I've got the Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharen Haskell on
22:06
Speaker 2: the show and she's going to give us the latest
22:07
Speaker 2: on witch ships, how many are passing through the Strait
22:10
Speaker 2: of Hormuz, because she says Iran is now letting Chinese
22:14
Speaker 2: ships through and this will make a difference to Australia
22:18
Speaker 2: when it comes to supply.
22:19
Speaker 3: That's later in the show.
22:20
Speaker 2: President Trump has posted footage of a massive blast believed
22:24
Speaker 2: to be a two thousand pound bunker buster bomb, and
22:28
Speaker 2: it is believed to have hit an Iranian ammunition depot.
22:33
Speaker 2: These bombs were in the city of Isfahan, south of Tehran,
22:36
Speaker 2: where there are stockpiles of uranium. That city of Isfahan
22:39
Speaker 2: was also hit in those targeted strikes.
22:43
Speaker 3: Last year.
22:44
Speaker 2: We're joining me now is Sky News defense analyst Peter Jennings. Peter, Look,
22:48
Speaker 2: this seems to be an escalation in American action now
22:52
Speaker 2: against uranium stockpiles. This now seems to be the problem.
22:56
Speaker 2: They want to target the uranium stockpiles.
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Speaker 13: Well, I would hope that there was special forces planned
23:04
Speaker 13: between the US and Israel to take that uranium out
23:09
Speaker 13: of Iran, but I wouldn't underestimate how difficult it would be.
23:14
Speaker 13: Part of it is potentially buried after various bombing attacks
23:19
Speaker 13: from earlier, and I suspect that most of it is
23:22
Speaker 13: booby trapped. And one of the risks here would be
23:26
Speaker 13: that the Uranians themselves, if they think they're about to
23:29
Speaker 13: lose this, would explode it and you'd have, in effect,
23:32
Speaker 13: sort of a dirty nuclear bomb. You'd be spreading in
23:36
Speaker 13: a radius of several kilometers enriched uranium, not highly radioactive,
23:42
Speaker 13: but certainly something that you wouldn't want to do. So
23:45
Speaker 13: that bomb footage that you showed earlier, I'm strongly suspecting
23:48
Speaker 13: that that's against conventional weapons, conventional explosives, because that would
23:53
Speaker 13: be safe to destroy. I doubt very much that the
23:56
Speaker 13: Americans or Israelis would be going after the uranium in
23:59
Speaker 13: that precise way.
24:01
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's why there's been that report that I
24:03
Speaker 2: spoke about at the beginning of the show where there's
24:06
Speaker 2: this is in the Wall Street Journal, the discussion about
24:08
Speaker 2: sending as you said, a special elite unit.
24:11
Speaker 3: In on the ground.
24:13
Speaker 2: And you're right, the Uranian stockpas are believed to be
24:17
Speaker 2: in tunnels deep into ground, So it would be a
24:20
Speaker 2: very risky, difficult mission, not to mention to transport it,
24:24
Speaker 2: but you know, to get to it, it would be extraordinary.
24:28
Speaker 2: So if this report is correct, Trump is.
24:31
Speaker 3: Still weighing up.
24:32
Speaker 2: I try to get some answers on this myself, but
24:35
Speaker 2: you know, there's no way anyone is commenting publicly, even
24:39
Speaker 2: on background, about very sensitive military operations.
24:43
Speaker 3: They wouldn't want a round to find out about it.
24:47
Speaker 13: So what I'd say, Shari is it's light enough. It's
24:50
Speaker 13: only about six hundred or so kilos, so that can
24:52
Speaker 13: be lifted quite easily by helicopter. Point two, as I
24:57
Speaker 13: would pretty much put my house on the reality that
25:00
Speaker 13: there will be significant numbers of special forces operating inside
25:03
Speaker 13: Iran already on all variety of different tasks. But point three,
25:08
Speaker 13: the Aurlians will be guarding this more jealously than almost
25:11
Speaker 13: any other item they have in their country at the moment,
25:16
Speaker 13: and so there will be plans, So you can be
25:19
Speaker 13: absolutely assured of that. But it would be immensely lucky
25:23
Speaker 13: if the US or the Israelis were able to extract
25:25
Speaker 13: to that weapon.
25:26
Speaker 2: Now a lot of discussion about how much longer the
25:30
Speaker 2: war will go on. For now, Trump needs a run
25:33
Speaker 2: to commit to a series of conditions. I mean, the
25:35
Speaker 2: key ones are no longer building nuclear weapons, also stopping
25:39
Speaker 2: funding proxy terror groups. How do you expect these negotiations
25:43
Speaker 2: are playing out.
25:47
Speaker 1: Well?
25:47
Speaker 13: It seems that we haven't got to the point that
25:49
Speaker 13: the Americans and Iranians are actually facing each other in Pakistan.
25:52
Speaker 13: It's all been through intermediaries at the stage. So I
25:56
Speaker 13: think the talks, if they are to happen at all,
25:59
Speaker 13: are going to take some time. Shari and the two
26:02
Speaker 13: parties are significantly far apart. In the meantime, the US
26:07
Speaker 13: is going to continue the military campaign, and I think
26:10
Speaker 13: what they will be doing is trying to kill or
26:13
Speaker 13: disabled senior leaders of the Revolutionary Guard's Corps, because in
26:18
Speaker 13: doing that they might make it possible for other people
26:22
Speaker 13: to come into more senior roles that are interested in
26:26
Speaker 13: talking peace, and they'll pursue the other war objectives that
26:30
Speaker 13: Trump outlined a month ago about sinking the navy and
26:33
Speaker 13: destroying the air force, most importantly, I guess, destroying missiles
26:37
Speaker 13: and the factories that produce them. And I think all
26:40
Speaker 13: of those things are continuing to go on at scale
26:44
Speaker 13: even as we speak, even though we seem to be
26:46
Speaker 13: getting slowly and painfully closer towards Americans and Iranians actually
26:53
Speaker 13: talking with each other.
26:54
Speaker 2: In Pakistan, I played before a clip where the Israeli
26:58
Speaker 2: prime ministers suggested they were halfway through their objectives in
27:02
Speaker 2: the war. So clearly, at least from Israel's perspective. I mean,
27:06
Speaker 2: there might be a different view on this. Perhaps Trump's
27:10
Speaker 2: thinks they've won, or they're just about finished meeting their objectives.
27:13
Speaker 2: Israel clearly does think they have some way still to go.
27:20
Speaker 1: I think that's correct.
27:21
Speaker 13: And the test of it really is, are the Iranians
27:24
Speaker 13: still able to put up a fight, and they are
27:28
Speaker 13: they're able still to target those missiles. They had a
27:31
Speaker 13: success in destroying an American aircraft on a Saudi airfield
27:35
Speaker 13: which appeared to be undefended just a few days ago,
27:39
Speaker 13: So there is still some war fighting capacity left in Iran,
27:44
Speaker 13: even though it's been significantly degraded, and that continues to
27:49
Speaker 13: be the military objective. So I would say, you know,
27:52
Speaker 13: we should be thinking that pretty much all of April
27:54
Speaker 13: is going to continue on in this way, and if
27:58
Speaker 13: it came to the end of April, it would still
28:01
Speaker 13: be a remarkably short war by the Middle East experiences.
28:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when the fuel crisis will really hit
28:08
Speaker 2: in Australia mid to late April. I'm going to talk
28:11
Speaker 2: about that after the break, right, Peter Jennings, thank you
28:14
Speaker 2: very much for your time.
28:16
Speaker 3: Still to come.
28:17
Speaker 2: Jackie O sues Radio network ARN for eighty two million.
28:21
Speaker 2: We'll find out the backstory. Plus a former Treasury assistant
28:25
Speaker 2: secretary reveals when fuel rationing would kick in.
28:29
Speaker 3: That's next welcome back. Economists are warning the cut.
28:36
Speaker 2: To the fuel excise could add to inflation and even
28:39
Speaker 2: lead to more rate hikes.
28:42
Speaker 7: They will have more money to spend on other goods
28:44
Speaker 7: and services than would have been the case otherwise.
28:47
Speaker 1: The Reserve Bank may well feel it has to respond
28:50
Speaker 1: by raising interest rates again.
28:51
Speaker 14: There's two and a half billion dollars in the economy
28:53
Speaker 14: that will be in there wouldn't have been otherwise. It
28:56
Speaker 14: must absolutely put upward pressure on prices. Is the solution
29:00
Speaker 14: shouldn't may be worse than the problem it's set out tosolve.
29:04
Speaker 2: Leith van Nonslan, another who said a similar thing on
29:07
Speaker 2: ED This Evening, and economist Shane Oliver also says that
29:10
Speaker 2: cutting the excise would send the wrong message encouraging drivers
29:14
Speaker 2: to use more fuel. He says, by cutting fuel excise
29:17
Speaker 2: and GSD on fuel, we will weaken the signal from
29:20
Speaker 2: higher fuel prices to use less and the move actually
29:23
Speaker 2: seems aimed at encouraging motorists.
29:25
Speaker 3: To use more at Easter. So a lot of.
29:29
Speaker 2: Debate about whether this is a good ideal, though of
29:31
Speaker 2: course drivers are welcoming it as they should well. Joining
29:34
Speaker 2: me now is former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl.
29:37
Speaker 3: David, great to see you, as always.
29:40
Speaker 2: So for drivers, as I said, the cut to the
29:42
Speaker 2: fuel excise is a very welcome move, but economists clearly
29:48
Speaker 2: have concerns. Are you worried it'll contribute to inflationary pressures?
29:55
Speaker 15: Good evening, sharing, Good evening to you is Look, I'm
29:58
Speaker 15: an economists as well. I think some of the these
30:00
Speaker 15: economists that you're quoting are overreacting. There's no doubt that
30:06
Speaker 15: if you cut the fuel excise, you do ease price
30:10
Speaker 15: pressure on motorists and that leaves them with more money
30:13
Speaker 15: in their pocket and they can spend that. So you
30:16
Speaker 15: get a headline cut of about half a percentage point
30:19
Speaker 15: in the recorded CPI and that you can court this year,
30:23
Speaker 15: but that will be counterbalanced by somewhat more spending. But
30:26
Speaker 15: I just want to put this in proportion for your viewers, Sharry,
30:29
Speaker 15: the Comwall spends eight hundred billion dollars or thereabouts every year,
30:34
Speaker 15: So a two and a half billion dollar increase in
30:38
Speaker 15: spending through this cut, if you like, is less than
30:42
Speaker 15: a third of one percent of what the comwall spends.
30:44
Speaker 1: It's not the.
30:45
Speaker 15: Main game for inflation. The main game for inflation has
30:49
Speaker 15: been poor management of monetary policy by Michelle Bullock, Jenny
30:52
Speaker 15: Wilkinson and the board who cut the rates last year,
30:55
Speaker 15: and Jim Chalmers running Common Will spending a brake net rate.
31:01
Speaker 15: So they're the big picture drivers of our domestic inflation problem.
31:05
Speaker 15: And of course, overlaid on that, we have the oil shock.
31:09
Speaker 2: Just a quick I want to stick on the fuel crisis,
31:12
Speaker 2: But just a quick one. Since you've raised the inflation problem,
31:16
Speaker 2: what role do you think the May budget needs to
31:19
Speaker 2: play in bringing down inflation?
31:21
Speaker 3: And is there any effort to do this?
31:27
Speaker 15: The May budget is critical to bringing down inflation and
31:32
Speaker 15: obviating the need for very risky interest rate cuts from
31:36
Speaker 15: the RBA. And what I've said before is that in
31:40
Speaker 15: order to take pressure off the RBA board, federal spending
31:44
Speaker 15: has to be cut to zero in real terms. It
31:49
Speaker 15: shouldn't be growing at faster than the rate of inflation.
31:51
Speaker 15: Ideally it scaled back in real terms. Now, to put
31:55
Speaker 15: that in context, in December's my EFO, Jim Chalmers said
31:58
Speaker 15: that this financial year he would raise federal spending by
32:03
Speaker 15: four point five percent in real terms, about eight percent
32:06
Speaker 15: in nominal terms. So what he should be doing in
32:09
Speaker 15: May given that wherein an oil crisis and an inflation crisis,
32:14
Speaker 15: is cutting federal spending for this financial year across the board.
32:18
Speaker 15: Now within that envelope you can provide responsible cost of
32:22
Speaker 15: living relief. That's the burning platform for the budget. Instead,
32:26
Speaker 15: Jim Chalmers has journalists talking about supposedly ambitious tax savings
32:32
Speaker 15: and proactivity measures. Well, Jim Chalmers tax track record shows
32:37
Speaker 15: that he really deals with rats and mice. He's not
32:40
Speaker 15: going to redesign the tax system to boost growth.
32:44
Speaker 1: He's not going.
32:44
Speaker 15: To reframe federal spending in any significant way. There won't
32:49
Speaker 15: be any net saving. So really, if Jim Chalmers is
32:52
Speaker 15: doing his job, the journalist should stop talking about his
32:55
Speaker 15: so called ambitious budget and getting back to first principles,
32:59
Speaker 15: which is cutting overall spending growth and therefore taking pressure
33:04
Speaker 15: off the IRBA because we don't want three or four
33:06
Speaker 15: interest rate increases this year at a time when we're
33:10
Speaker 15: suffering a serious supply crisis. That's not when you want
33:14
Speaker 15: interest rates rising.
33:16
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there has been the argument, I'll just add quickly
33:18
Speaker 2: that the Treasurer is more ambitious for reform and the
33:22
Speaker 2: Prime Minister doesn't want to know about it. But you
33:25
Speaker 2: know that's a backstory there. I'm just keen to return
33:29
Speaker 2: to the fuel crisis. There are up to eight hundred
33:31
Speaker 2: petrol stations nationally with fuel shortages. Discussion about fuel rationing.
33:37
Speaker 2: As an economist, when do you think the fuel rationing
33:41
Speaker 2: will need to kick in?
33:45
Speaker 15: Well, fuel rationing is occurring now through the price system.
33:48
Speaker 15: So before this all broke, people were paying about a
33:52
Speaker 15: dollar sixty or a dollars seven year liter for their petrol.
33:54
Speaker 15: They're now up to two dollars fifty. So the price
33:57
Speaker 15: system is rationing petrol. I think petrol consumption has been
34:01
Speaker 15: estimated to be ten percent down, and the price system
34:06
Speaker 15: is the best form of rationing. What we don't want
34:09
Speaker 15: unless it's absolutely necessary, Sharry and the Iran conflict drags
34:13
Speaker 15: on much longer. Is a COVID style directive from Chris
34:18
Speaker 15: Bowen telling people that they will be arrested or fined
34:23
Speaker 15: if they purchase more petrol than is allowed. I think
34:26
Speaker 15: that's what Bowen and Albanezi rightly don't want to do.
34:30
Speaker 15: If they announced now that they're considering rationing, there'd be
34:34
Speaker 15: a run on petrol stations tomorrow. So I just think
34:37
Speaker 15: some of the commentariat, including people on the right and
34:40
Speaker 15: some economists, are being chicken littles at the moment. Now
34:44
Speaker 15: we may have to resort to that, but honestly, we
34:49
Speaker 15: don't want to see Chris Bowen determining the allocation of
34:52
Speaker 15: petrol in this country. Far better to leave it to
34:55
Speaker 15: the market. Now, if some people in rural Australia or
34:58
Speaker 15: large people in ru Australia, you are lacking petrol. The
35:01
Speaker 15: government can take measures to help them out.
35:05
Speaker 3: Very quickly, and I mean very quickly. Twenty thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us about this change by the RBA
35:11
Speaker 2: to scrap credit and debit card payment surcharges.
35:16
Speaker 15: It's a positive thing. It's a transparency initiative. So instead
35:20
Speaker 15: of surreptitiously charging consumers or vendors, by capping or scrapping
35:27
Speaker 15: these charges, people will have to pay charges up front
35:31
Speaker 15: and it'll be more visible to them.
35:33
Speaker 1: So it is a positive thing.
35:34
Speaker 2: All right, David Pearl, appreciate your time as always, thank you,
35:38
Speaker 2: and still to come.
35:38
Speaker 3: Jackie osues Arn for eighty two million.
35:41
Speaker 2: We'll get the backstory from the journalist who's been breaking
35:44
Speaker 2: news on this, plus what does Israel and America plan
35:47
Speaker 2: to do to reopen the straight up Homus, Israel's deputy
35:50
Speaker 2: Foreign minister.
35:51
Speaker 3: Will join me live after the break.
35:57
Speaker 2: The United States is negotiating pre conduction to end the
36:00
Speaker 2: war with Iran via mediators, and it comes as Iran's
36:05
Speaker 2: new Supreme leader, Moshtaba Kamana, has issued a rare statement.
36:09
Speaker 2: It simply mourns the IRGC Navy chief who was killed
36:12
Speaker 2: in Israeli strike yet Moshtaba still hasn't been seen. We're
36:17
Speaker 2: joining me now for the latest is Israeli Deputy Foreign
36:19
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Sharen Haskell Scharen, Great to see you again. Look,
36:23
Speaker 2: Iran is Iran is publicly denying that talks are taking place.
36:29
Speaker 2: This is just propaganda, isn't it? And also, can you
36:32
Speaker 2: tell me what role Israel is playing, if any, in
36:36
Speaker 2: these negotiations via mediators.
36:41
Speaker 16: So the mediators or the American mediators, as it's been before,
36:47
Speaker 16: what we've seen in the last two weeks is a
36:49
Speaker 16: huge crap within the Iranian regime. President Trump said right
36:55
Speaker 16: for you that they are literally begging for a ceasefire.
37:01
Speaker 16: His statement from the last couple of days as well
37:04
Speaker 16: are that the people they're negotiating with are reasonable. But
37:10
Speaker 16: it's important to understand the Iranian regime for the last
37:14
Speaker 16: two weeks have been in a what I would maybe
37:17
Speaker 16: call in English a cracking point, a breaking point, which
37:23
Speaker 16: is because such an incredible operation was able to eliminate
37:27
Speaker 16: a lot of their power, a lot of the fanatical leadership,
37:32
Speaker 16: a lot of the high rank commanders local and federal
37:38
Speaker 16: as well. And so I believe it's going very well.
37:43
Speaker 2: So you're actually saying the discussions are going well. When
37:45
Speaker 2: you say the leadership is a breaking point or is cracking,
37:49
Speaker 2: do you mean that there's two different groups, you know,
37:53
Speaker 2: one group that does want to negotiated, another that doesn't.
37:57
Speaker 3: Is that what you mean?
37:59
Speaker 16: So the leadership that was the backbone of the IRGC
38:04
Speaker 16: has completely fell apart, and there's different groups who are
38:07
Speaker 16: fighting politically also within and there's certain people who are
38:11
Speaker 16: not in communication with other people too. And so when
38:16
Speaker 16: you break that much the leadership, there's a lot of politics,
38:20
Speaker 16: a lot of fighting within as well. There's some who
38:23
Speaker 16: are more extreme and more fanatical and somewhat more rational, like,
38:27
Speaker 16: for example, the publishing of the Iranian president who said
38:35
Speaker 16: that Iran has around three to four weeks before its
38:39
Speaker 16: economy will collapse. These are internal discussions that will published
38:45
Speaker 16: by one of the media outlets, and it's important to
38:48
Speaker 16: understand it's true. They understand that they are going into
38:53
Speaker 16: a full breaking point, not just the leadership breaking point
38:58
Speaker 16: where people are surrendering, people are begging from President Trump
39:03
Speaker 16: to reach a ceasefire, but an actual one, a full
39:06
Speaker 16: collapse room.
39:07
Speaker 2: And so does isra our plan to take advantage of
39:10
Speaker 2: this and start targeting Iran's economic sites as well.
39:16
Speaker 16: Look, as you've seen, we've targeted in the past also
39:22
Speaker 16: some economical facilities who have been the one that we're
39:26
Speaker 16: producing a lot of the money into the Iranian regime,
39:29
Speaker 16: this terrorist regime, including a bank where they were holding
39:34
Speaker 16: a lot of their money, a lot of bills that
39:38
Speaker 16: they were smuggling all around the world to their armies,
39:41
Speaker 16: the Iranian armies, whether it is in Somalia, in Rithraea,
39:46
Speaker 16: in Lebanon. I mean, think about it. In the last
39:49
Speaker 16: year they have transported more than a billion dollars into
39:56
Speaker 16: Risbellad just in Lebanon. That's through the Beiru airport, through
40:01
Speaker 16: the seat, but they actually smuggle that in and so
40:05
Speaker 16: money is a huge component in supporting a lot of
40:08
Speaker 16: their armies were spread around the world.
40:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is why the financial infrastructure is incredibly
40:16
Speaker 2: important for you to target. Now, I've got to ask
40:19
Speaker 2: you about the oil supply issue. This has become a
40:22
Speaker 2: major problem globally. It's led to a lot of opposition
40:26
Speaker 2: to the war or a desire for it to finish
40:28
Speaker 2: very quickly. What is Israel and the United States doing
40:32
Speaker 2: to reopen the strait of Homers.
40:36
Speaker 16: So President Trump has been doing immense actions not just
40:42
Speaker 16: within the homes but also together with other countries that
40:44
Speaker 16: are producing oil and petrol in order to increase their production.
40:50
Speaker 16: But President Trump said very clearly that basically everything is
40:54
Speaker 16: on the table. Look, we are partners in this joint
40:59
Speaker 16: operation to save the world from one of the worst fanatical, violent,
41:06
Speaker 16: monstrous regime. You know, and you know obviously, you know,
41:11
Speaker 16: President Trump and Prime Ministereneta now have a very very
41:14
Speaker 16: close relationship. You know, they're going in together. President Trump
41:18
Speaker 16: is looking after the American interests, understanding that for you know,
41:24
Speaker 16: years and years now, the Iranian regime have murdered and
41:28
Speaker 16: killed hundreds of Americans doing American soldiers. And so, as
41:32
Speaker 16: he said, if Iran doesn't surrender, if Iran doesn't go
41:36
Speaker 16: into a reasonable deal, everything is basically on the table,
41:40
Speaker 16: and the Iranians know that as well.
41:43
Speaker 2: But just a bit more information in terms of the
41:45
Speaker 2: strait of homergs. I mean, this is becoming quite an
41:48
Speaker 2: urgent issue the global supply of oil. Is there any
41:53
Speaker 2: plans that you can tell us about to address this?
41:56
Speaker 2: And also what can you tell us about exactly how
41:59
Speaker 2: many ships are getting through? Is it the case that
42:03
Speaker 2: Chinese ships are being allowed through.
42:06
Speaker 16: Look, last week I saw a report that spoke about
42:10
Speaker 16: at least in one day there were about forty one
42:12
Speaker 16: ships that were passing. Yes, most of these ships are
42:16
Speaker 16: Chinese ships. They said they're going to let Spanish ships
42:20
Speaker 16: as well, but this like without that. President Trump also
42:29
Speaker 16: said yesterday that they were able to to that around.
42:34
Speaker 16: I think six to eight ships were able to cross
42:38
Speaker 16: the Home Movies straight. Okay, I don't know if there
42:41
Speaker 16: were specifically Americans, but they were just regular ships. And
42:46
Speaker 16: so I think that the flow is starting maybe to move,
42:50
Speaker 16: not in the numbers that we would want to see,
42:53
Speaker 16: but Prime Minister Anatomy I also spoke that we are
42:56
Speaker 16: thinking also strategically on the future looking into land operations
43:02
Speaker 16: or you know, channel through the Saudis through forty percent
43:07
Speaker 16: of their production can go through land towards the Red Sea,
43:11
Speaker 16: where from there it can be shipped anywhere else in
43:14
Speaker 16: the world. I do want to say just one thing,
43:21
Speaker 16: because I don't think enough you understand the huge threat
43:24
Speaker 16: of Iran. Four years now. Iran, I've held that as
43:28
Speaker 16: a bargaining chip, as a threat on humanity in different
43:33
Speaker 16: places throughout history, rising the prices, okay, up or down,
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Speaker 16: and we need to think of the day after, you know,
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Speaker 16: the prices that we're paying in order to make sure
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Speaker 16: that the world is secured. And actually have here little
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Speaker 16: map with me that I really want to show you. Look,
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Speaker 16: this is an actual map of the range of the
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Speaker 16: ballistic missiles of Iran. Okay. This is the here in
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Speaker 16: the center. You can see that on the European side
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Speaker 16: when they fire the rockets and the missiles to Diego
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Speaker 16: Garcia base, which is three eight hundred kilometers away. This
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Speaker 16: was a roof for what we've been warning the international
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Speaker 16: community for years. Iran can literally reach almost every European
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Speaker 16: capital that is already in ranged. If you look there, okay,
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Speaker 16: you can always see the areas of the Pacific and
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Speaker 16: how far it can reach Indonesia, Malaysia, and how close
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Speaker 16: it can come towards Australia.
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Speaker 2: And Russian exactly, Sharan Haschool. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time, appreciate it as always.
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Speaker 16: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Still to come.
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Speaker 2: Jackie O launches legal action against her former employer, or
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Speaker 2: just how much dirty laundry will she be.
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Speaker 3: Prepared to dump on Kyle. That's after the break.
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Speaker 2: The big news today was that Jackio Henderson has launched
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Speaker 2: legal action against AARN. She's claiming her contract was terminated
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Speaker 2: unlawfully and she's seeking more than eighty two million in compensation.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss his senior reporter at The
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph.
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Speaker 3: Nathaniel Cooper. Great to see you again.
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Speaker 1: Great to see you.
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Speaker 3: So what is her case here?
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Speaker 11: So her case is that she has been unfairly dismissed,
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Speaker 11: her contract has been destroyed unreasonably by ARN, and she
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Speaker 11: would like eighty two zero point two five million dollars to.
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Speaker 3: Prosecute her case.
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Speaker 2: She will need to show, won't she that there have
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Speaker 2: been many other cases where she's been allegedly bullied or
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Speaker 2: treated badly by Kyle.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, She's going to need to demonstrate that that when
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Speaker 11: arn I've ripped up her contract, that they should have
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Speaker 11: actually gone into a different arrangement with her to take
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Speaker 11: her out of the psychosocial troubles that she is having
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Speaker 11: with Kyle. And there've been multiple examples of that over
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Speaker 11: the years, particularly in the last year.
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Speaker 1: Psychosocial troubles, that's what.
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Speaker 11: She has claimed in her letter to ARN allegedly, which
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Speaker 11: is bullying causing anxiety, those sort of behaviors in a
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Speaker 11: social environment with people.
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Speaker 3: So how bad has their relationship.
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Speaker 11: Been So sources have told me that it's been really
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Speaker 11: bad for the last year, that things were quite hostile
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Speaker 11: between them for as long as a year.
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Speaker 1: There are lots of examples.
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Speaker 11: Where Jackie would leave the show and go on broadcast
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Speaker 11: from home. But there's also examples of Kyle calling her
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Speaker 11: on the show and them sorting things out live on air.
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Speaker 11: So the fact that it's come to this, that it's
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Speaker 11: come to this extremely expensive and extremely public falling out
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Speaker 11: is quite shocking.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is also a very big media business story
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 3: Now Kyle's suing for what eighty five eighty five million, She's.
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Speaker 2: Sewing for eighty two. I mean, the worst case scenario
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Speaker 2: for AARN is there. It would have been cheaper to
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Speaker 2: just keep them both on.
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Speaker 1: It would have been cheaper to keep them both on.
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Speaker 11: And if they have to pay out this amount of money,
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Speaker 11: if Kyle and Jackio win, the amount of money they
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Speaker 11: will receive is more than the company is valued at
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Speaker 11: at the moment. Their share price fell to twenty four
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Speaker 11: cents today when the market's closed, which when their market
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Speaker 11: capitalization is like in the region of seventy three million dollars,
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Speaker 11: so even if one of them wins, they win more
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Speaker 11: than the company's worth.
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Speaker 3: And what's Kyle's case.
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Speaker 11: Kyle's case is that his contract says and there's elements
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Speaker 11: of his contract in the claim, the statement of claim
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Speaker 11: from him that says what kind of show years, what
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Speaker 11: kind of personality is So he said that this is
47:46
Speaker 11: well within his contract to do these sort of things,
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Speaker 11: to say these sort of things and behave in this way,
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Speaker 11: so they don't have grounds in which to dismiss him
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Speaker 11: or to cancel his contract.
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Speaker 2: And he's also I've heard Ben Ford and break some
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Speaker 2: stories on this. He's also expected to argue that, as
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Speaker 2: you said, in his contract, there was meant to be
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Speaker 2: some kill button, Yeah, Aaran had, so what came out
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Speaker 2: of his mouth actually wasn't his responsibility, which is such
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Speaker 2: a bizarre thing to having a contract.
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Speaker 3: After set it is.
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Speaker 11: It's so wild that he is so extreme and so
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Speaker 11: controversial that his contract actually relieves him of the obligation
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Speaker 11: to not be that person.
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Speaker 1: And they do. They are because of the difficulties they've had.
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Speaker 11: With the Australian Communication regulators. They've had to hire a
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Speaker 11: bunch of sensors, they call them, and if you listen
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Speaker 11: to the show, there's beeps all throughout it, which is
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Speaker 11: the sensors going off.
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Speaker 3: So where does this go from here?
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Speaker 2: We saw Kyle and court last Friday.
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Speaker 1: We don't know when Jackie's going to court.
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Speaker 11: Kyle's court case will probably proceed a little bit quicker
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Speaker 11: because he filed earlier, so that will eventually go to
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Speaker 11: some kind of trial where someone a judged most likely
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Speaker 11: will decide who is in the right and who is
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Speaker 11: in the wrong here and Jackie's will do the same.
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Speaker 3: Thing, but they'll run separately.
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Speaker 2: They'll each be presenting their own material which then could
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Speaker 2: be used in the cross cases.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be very messy.
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Speaker 11: It's messy already exactly. It's just going to get worse, right.
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Speaker 2: Nathaniel, thank you very much, thanks for having me, and
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Speaker 2: well done another story.
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Speaker 1: Thank you all right.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to be off tomorrow and the next
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Speaker 2: day for passover, and then taking a week off to
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Speaker 2: write my book on the Bondi terror attack, and then
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Speaker 2: a week with the kids for school holiday, so I
49:31
Speaker 2: won't see you for a couple of weeks. But I
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Speaker 2: just wanted to wish everyone a very happy Easter and Semeyer,
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Speaker 2: so I'll see you in a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: And I'm back. Here's Paul Murray.