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BUILD THIS MINDSET, WIN ANYWHERE GLOBALLY · Apostle Lazarus Femi

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  Speaker 1: The answer is not for all of us to run
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  Speaker 1: away somewhere to be, to leave our royalty in from
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  Speaker 1: our own nations and go and be cleaning people's home
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else, all in the case of a few pounds
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  Speaker 1: a few dollars, and our governments are sitting back and
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  Speaker 1: doing nothing.
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  Speaker 2: What's your lost?
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  Speaker 1: My worst is at airports. I work on fifty different
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  Speaker 1: countries of the world, hundreds of cities. I go through airports,
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  Speaker 1: and I travel with a Ghanian passport, so they see
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  Speaker 1: my passports, they see where I'm coming from. Already I'm
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  Speaker 1: a drug dealer. Does it happen to the names too?
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  Speaker 1: Last time I was going to Korea, checking person is
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  Speaker 1: asking me for this, and that's simply because I'm Africa,
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  Speaker 1: I have an African passport and I have an African accent.
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  Speaker 1: You've already judged me.
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  Speaker 2: Am.
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  Speaker 1: I either a drug dealer or I'm an illegal immigrant.
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  Speaker 1: This kind of behavior strips dignity. When the strip dignity
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  Speaker 1: of a person, you take hope out of them, you
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  Speaker 1: take a steam and value from them. That has me
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  Speaker 1: deeply to my care, that hurts me for my people,
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  Speaker 1: and it causes anger to rise out of me against
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  Speaker 1: my people, Why do we give people a chance to
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  Speaker 1: treat us like that? Because this thing hasn't just come
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  Speaker 1: because of colonialism, It's also come because our government. We'd
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  Speaker 1: rather let us go and live in another nation and
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  Speaker 1: toil our slaves there because of the remittance that we
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  Speaker 1: bring to our economies from our broad to ask your people,
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  Speaker 1: how can somebody get a PhD and go and serve
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  Speaker 1: as a cleaner somewhere? That should be a shame to
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  Speaker 1: any government.
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  Speaker 2: You are impressed of faith. What do you have to
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  Speaker 2: say about the role of religion and colonizing African minds
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  Speaker 2: and what should we do going forward?
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  Speaker 1: Most religions have principles that government and guide. Yes, most
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  Speaker 1: religions offer principles that should shape human life and human behavior. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the interpretation and the expression of that is a whole difference.
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  Speaker 1: Take a good principle to the expression of it is
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  Speaker 1: how not even the interpretation the manipulation of that. She
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  Speaker 1: agreed and sheer wickedness, because there's one thing to sell
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  Speaker 1: a person, there's another thing to do humanize a person
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  Speaker 1: in the way that they did in the slave trade. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and excuse it. However, I'm also grateful even in my
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  Speaker 1: pain that there is a redemptive factor, and that redemptive
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  Speaker 1: factor is that I would never have become a Christian
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  Speaker 1: if they hadn't come to our shows. Now, why do
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  Speaker 1: Africans always say this and forget that their own people
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  Speaker 1: were complicit who solved them in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, if you're watching this now, that means you
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much so you said something that really
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  Speaker 2: caught my attention today. And I've been a direct mentee
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  Speaker 2: of Dr Miles Morrow before it passed for many years.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, since nineteen ninety three.
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  Speaker 2: That's a long time. That's very passed in about twenty fourteen, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, that's close to twenty one years.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Dr Miles Monroe is one of the most remarkable teacher
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  Speaker 2: we've seen the transformation and leader. What are some of
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  Speaker 2: the most powerful lessons you learned working with him?
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  Speaker 1: Working with Dr Miles Monroe. Let me say this. For me,
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  Speaker 1: it's not what I hear first, it's what I see
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  Speaker 1: modeled for me. I have a great interest in leadership.
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  Speaker 1: Leaders model something you know. When you're young, you learn
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  Speaker 1: all your traits, your imitation through what is modeled for you.
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  Speaker 1: So you may not like the way a leader behaves
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  Speaker 1: and you totally disagree with it. Yes, when you grow
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  Speaker 1: up and you're faced with the same kind of situation, automatically,
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  Speaker 1: you don't switch to what you know is right. You
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  Speaker 1: switch to what you see modeled for you. And for me,
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  Speaker 1: he was a great model. He lived and embodied his message.
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  Speaker 1: He loved people, valued people. He'd reach to the small
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  Speaker 1: to the big equally. And I saw this man live
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  Speaker 1: out his message, and that was more impacting to me
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  Speaker 1: than anything. If I forget anything, I remember what I
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  Speaker 1: saw and if I can tell a story. Actually I
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  Speaker 1: had opportunity several times to be in his house for lunch, dinner,
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  Speaker 1: that I actually stayed at the house as a certain
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  Speaker 1: time too, when they weftof on holiday. But I remember
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  Speaker 1: one particular day. It was during the economic crash, and
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  Speaker 1: we had gone to conference in the Bahamas, and he
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  Speaker 1: had told everybody, listen, it's November, Christmas is coming, but
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  Speaker 1: there's a financial crisis. Do not buy anything new. You
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  Speaker 1: have nothing to prove to anybody. Do not buy anything new.
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  Speaker 1: Don't spend my when you don't have it. Do not borrowing.
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  Speaker 1: This is part of the sermon, you know. And so
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  Speaker 1: and he says, don't deny what is a reality you
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  Speaker 1: live about? Okay, well, some people were saying. I remember
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  Speaker 1: somebody saying, well, I don't believe in an economic crunch.
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  Speaker 1: The only crunched they know it's oats or cereal or
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  Speaker 1: something flippant like that. He didn't say that, but I
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  Speaker 1: remember that particular day, I went home with his wife,
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  Speaker 1: Auntie Ruth, to set up the table for dinner. And
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  Speaker 1: whilst we were setting the table, it was a bit wonky.
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  Speaker 1: Something was obviously wrong with their legs. And I looked
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  Speaker 1: at her and I said, Auntie, I called him Mama Ruth,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, you know, he won't let me buy
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  Speaker 1: a new one because he has told everybody we not
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  Speaker 1: to buy anything. You got to remember context. I am
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen, I am seeing this man put a
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  Speaker 1: little a picture of a jet. He's going to He's
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  Speaker 1: given aways jet, he's buying a new one. I see
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  Speaker 1: the jet on the fridge. I see this as a
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  Speaker 1: multi millionaire, you know. And he and I could have
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  Speaker 1: closed my eyes and bought him that table. And he
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  Speaker 1: is saying, she is saying to me, he has said
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  Speaker 1: nobody buy anything, so we're not buying in this house.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't that he couldn't afford it. He was principled
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  Speaker 1: that you see, human authority comes from living truth. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't come from the eloquence of your words true. It
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  Speaker 1: comes from embodying truth and living it out. That's why
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  Speaker 1: there's a certain genus aqua about people when they speak
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  Speaker 1: they are people who sound very clever in life. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and yet their words don't settle. We admire it and
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  Speaker 1: for a moment we revel in it, and then it's
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  Speaker 1: gone like a vapor. And then there are those who
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  Speaker 1: speak words. And whether you understand it or not, there's
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  Speaker 1: something deep that settles inside of you. It resonates with you. You
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  Speaker 1: think about it, you're percolated for a bit. True because
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  Speaker 1: they unbody truth. Well, we are spiritual people. There's something
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  Speaker 1: about the human thing that is not just the body
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  Speaker 1: and the casing that we're living. That was Mouse Monroe
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  Speaker 1: for you. He lived his message, bodied his message, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times he said you will get it
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  Speaker 1: when I'm gone. He kept saying to us he'll get it.
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  Speaker 1: He'll say something and we'll say, we'll look at him,
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  Speaker 1: and then he'll say, you'll get it when I'm gone.
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  Speaker 1: Many people are getting it when I'm gone. There's also
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  Speaker 1: something about when a man lives truth. It comes out
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  Speaker 1: of a reality of experience, It comes out of observing people,
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  Speaker 1: it comes out of the value he puts on people.
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  Speaker 1: So he digs deep for truth and not just the
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  Speaker 1: word that titilates people. All of these for me, were
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  Speaker 1: iconic moments with the man they call MOUs Monroe.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, these experiences you had with Dr Miles More, did
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  Speaker 2: this shape who you are today?
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  Speaker 1: They have totally shaped me. Nobody believed in me as
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  Speaker 1: a woman like Miles Monro did. And I remember I
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  Speaker 1: would be given like will you serve on this board?
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't know my left from my right. I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to survive. I just dropped pastoring and gone
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  Speaker 1: into it tinerant ministry. I was trying to rap two
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  Speaker 1: cents together, you know kind of thing. And I'm being
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  Speaker 1: offered boards to sit on. And I did say, seay
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  Speaker 1: take them off, you learn from it. You take them off,
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  Speaker 1: you learn from it. It will stretch you. He made me
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  Speaker 1: believe in a sense of purpose, so that which I
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  Speaker 1: think is my strength personally. I have a very strong
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  Speaker 1: sense of purpose. I know what is not my bit,
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  Speaker 1: and I know what's my bit. I know why I'm living.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it has to be meaningful. When you do that,
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  Speaker 1: it defines the perimeters from which the future will emerge
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  Speaker 1: for you. And these were all taught me modeled. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: disciplined me. You didn't you know he kept an eye
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  Speaker 1: on me. I had accountability. That's another big thing. I
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  Speaker 1: had a very much accountability with him. What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Who is doing it? So you have to be on
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  Speaker 1: the straight and narrow. I am a result of mentoring. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: let me say this also, mentoring is a great facility
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  Speaker 1: because it allows us to prepare leaders for the future.
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  Speaker 1: He's gone, I'm here, and in many ways, he's not
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  Speaker 1: gone because I'm here. If he hadn't deposited, spent time
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  Speaker 1: I'm with me, invested in me, I wouldn't be here.
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  Speaker 1: I owe a lot to him. And because of that,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I can't drop the button because too
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  Speaker 1: much has been invested in me. So it determines how
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  Speaker 1: I live my life too. Yeah, you grew up in Africa, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: spawn and bread in Ghana.
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  Speaker 2: Africa is lightly patriarch yes, do you think so?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: And for you as a woman and you are a grandma.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm grandma.
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  Speaker 2: Would you describe yourself as early raiser and earer? Did
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  Speaker 2: you start earlist some one of the things you do now?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? So I have to tell you exactly. I think
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  Speaker 1: you know. Most people think life happens once. It doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: It's a process. I like the word transformation. Transformation. We're
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  Speaker 1: all in a transformative state. Transformation is two words trans
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  Speaker 1: and form transmits we're going on a journey into a
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  Speaker 1: certain formation. So I had a very interesting background. I
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  Speaker 1: had very strict father. At the age of eleven twelve,
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  Speaker 1: I had to be reading the newspaper every single day,
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  Speaker 1: the foreign page. In Ghana, if you open Times or Graphic,
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  Speaker 1: it's always the foreign page. I had to read it
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  Speaker 1: every single day. I couldn't stand my dad. Please nobody
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  Speaker 1: tell my dad I said this, but I thought was
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  Speaker 1: hateful that he didn't like me. What is making my
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  Speaker 1: life misery? And then at the end of the week,
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  Speaker 1: I had to write an essay about one foreign story.
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  Speaker 1: My dad would always make me say every single day,
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  Speaker 1: say after me, Celia, my book is my friend. My
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  Speaker 1: book is my friend, My book is my friend. He
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  Speaker 1: was shaping my paradigm. I was ungrateful because foolishness is
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  Speaker 1: still bound in the mind of a child. So I
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  Speaker 1: was shaped. So it's not that Africa lacks things, it's
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  Speaker 1: what we make of it. It's how we see things.
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  Speaker 1: For my dad, education was everything. For my dad, reading
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't just passing exams. So I'd read, I
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  Speaker 1: would go to the bathroom and have a book. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be eating. I still have a book. And it was
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  Speaker 1: very variegated reading. So it wasn't that I was stacked
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  Speaker 1: to one thing. So if you talked a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about economics and I not know a little bit about it,
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  Speaker 1: but I know a little bit about it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: My dad would ask me questions like I'd wake up
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, my dad say, okay in my languagees
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  Speaker 1: and so what's the program today? What's your program? What's
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  Speaker 1: your gender? I had to write it down. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: write anything down without putting a date to it. Little
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  Speaker 1: things shape you without your realizing it. True, there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: wrong with Africa. Is how we handle Africa.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, are you saying you didn't face difficulties rising as
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  Speaker 2: a woman.
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  Speaker 1: I did in public spaces. In public spaces in my
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  Speaker 1: own home. My dad was a pr consultant. He'd writes
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  Speaker 1: an essay and asked me to read it and discuss
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  Speaker 1: it with me. So I was brought up in a
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  Speaker 1: home that I didn't feel inferior as a woman. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: But when I went to the public space, yes, I
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  Speaker 1: was made to feel little. Then I remembered why am
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  Speaker 1: I here. The why is very important even now I
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  Speaker 1: live my life amongst men. Yes, but why am I here?
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  Speaker 1: I'm here because this and that. I'm here because there's
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  Speaker 1: something for me to do here. And I'm dumb. If
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let anybody feel let me feel small. So
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  Speaker 1: I made sure that nobody would have an excuse to say,
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  Speaker 1: you're a woman. So you don't have the sense, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have a head, You are foolish. So I said
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  Speaker 1: to myself, I'm going to be intelligent. I'm a read
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  Speaker 1: I would learn. I would watch programs and learn how
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  Speaker 1: to articulate my words so that I'm not stupid. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I owed it to every woman that nobody
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  Speaker 1: would say ever that I have an accent. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: hearing me with an accent. You know that nobody would
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  Speaker 1: say I'm a woman, so I belong in the kitchen. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I can cook. I can cook for twenty people, But
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I checked out my brains. I think
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  Speaker 1: every woman has to have that sense of responsibility. And
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  Speaker 1: that's so and well. One thing is I never tried
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  Speaker 1: to fight men. You are different. I'm different. Yeah, my
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  Speaker 1: superiority is from what I bring to the table. Your
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  Speaker 1: superiority is, and so I think what helped me was
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  Speaker 1: I never tried to be a man, but when I
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  Speaker 1: was young and I was like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be a man. I thought life was unfair.
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  Speaker 1: And then I came to myself. I thought I kind
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  Speaker 1: of like being a woman because they underrated me till
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  Speaker 1: I open my mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so, from what you say, you believe that women
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  Speaker 2: that fight men, Yes, I think they are women.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think they are women who think. Unless I
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  Speaker 1: sound like a man and act like a man, I
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  Speaker 1: can't get far.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe that. Whatever. Would you describe yourself as
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  Speaker 2: a feminist?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I kind of like being
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  Speaker 1: a woman. I still like doors being open for me.
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  Speaker 2: You get the concept of feminism, yes.
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  Speaker 1: For what it is, For what it is. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's classes and minuses to anything I think. But I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't describe myself as a feminist. But do I believe
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  Speaker 1: in women's right. Absolutely delay.
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  Speaker 2: What's your worst rejection story?
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  Speaker 1: My worst rejection story? How many do you want me
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  Speaker 1: to talk about?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't even look like you have one.
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  Speaker 1: I have plenty. You know, the beauty of life.
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  Speaker 2: Is this for me.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody once said this, it's not falling down. Yes, staying
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  Speaker 1: down is more of a failure. I wear failures every
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  Speaker 1: single day. What there are days ideal with self doubt
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  Speaker 1: every single day every day. That's why I believe everybody
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  Speaker 1: has to have a Hawaiian life. Every single day. There
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  Speaker 1: is always self doubt. Am I fit for this? That
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  Speaker 1: I say the right thing, that I make the right choice,
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  Speaker 1: I could have done better. So there's a good side
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  Speaker 1: to it that makes you raise yourself. Your standards are standards,
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  Speaker 1: but the other side is that you beat yourself up
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  Speaker 1: every day. It's keeping both intention but I have My
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  Speaker 1: worst case of rejection was I think I spoke somewhere
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  Speaker 1: and because of before I came and before I opened
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  Speaker 1: my mouth, people had already formulated. So they hear your name,
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  Speaker 1: it's African. In their mind, it's another Africana, So there's
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  Speaker 1: prejudice already there. They feel like, and I'm I can
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  Speaker 1: be very affrocentric in my dressing and I'm quite intentional
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  Speaker 1: sometimes when I get into Caucasian seconds that I dress
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  Speaker 1: like an African woman until they've read you and soil already.
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  Speaker 1: That's the attitude that's projected towards you. That hurts me.
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  Speaker 1: But actually, let me say this, let me say this,
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  Speaker 1: Actually forget that, because that's not the worst. My worst
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  Speaker 1: is at airports. I work on fifty different countries of
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  Speaker 1: the world, hundreds of cities, from Singapore right down to Johannesburg,
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  Speaker 1: if you like. I go through airports and they look
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  Speaker 1: at and I traveled with a Ghanian passport till now,
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  Speaker 1: till now, so they see my passports, they see where
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  Speaker 1: I'm coming from. Already I'm a drug dealer.
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  Speaker 2: No way, does it happened to NaNs too.
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  Speaker 1: Already I'm a drug dealer, because where did I get
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  Speaker 1: the money from? That? In the last month alone, I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you the last two weeks. I was in Morocco,
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  Speaker 1: week before, I was in Malawi, week before I was
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  Speaker 1: in Acra. Then I was in Legos. You know, so already,
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  Speaker 1: where did you get the money from? I am having
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  Speaker 1: travel agents, somebody checking people. Last time I was going
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  Speaker 1: to Korea, checking person is asking me for this and that,
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  Speaker 1: And I said, I say, are you am I a
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  Speaker 1: grieving officer? Call your boss?
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  Speaker 2: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Simply because I'm Africa.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I have an African passport and I have an African accent.
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  Speaker 1: You've really judge me, am, I either a drug dealer
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  Speaker 1: or I'm an illegal immigrant. I face that every day.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: That kills me because if I wasn't aarticulate to fight
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: my corner about those who come, I've stood. I don't
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: want to mention the nation's name where I've seen them
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: take Nigerian students, Yes, I saw it. This is not
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: somebody telling me about it. Take the Nigerian students aside
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and talk to them anyhow, and we're stunning. I'm going
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: to a conference where standing in the queue in Europe
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and then they come and they get you. You all
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the black people out, all of us with African passports.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: The ironic thing was the guy who I was talking
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to who's standing in front of me. He's white, he
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: has Alway on passport. They left him because they assumed
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: he was not African interest. That hurts me more than anything,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: because I think this kind of behavior strips dignity. When
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you strip dignity of a person, you take hope out
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of them, you take a steam and value from them.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: That hurts me deeply to my care. That hurts me
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: for my people, and it causes anger to rise. Out
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: of me against my people. Why do we give people
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a chance to treat us like that? Because this thing
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: hasn't just come because of colonialism. It's also come because
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: our governments have been and I'm going to say it boldly,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: our governments have been sometimes irresponsible. They'd rather let us
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: go and live in another nation and toil our slaves
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: there because of the remittance that we bring to our economies.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That boy's But what's the English word I'm looking for?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Is at this point, I plead, I'm gonna in Okay,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: what's the English point I'm looking what I'm looking for
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in what we well? It adds to economy, okay, and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: it builds up economy remittances from abroad. But ask your people,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: how can somebody get a PhD and go and serve
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: as a cleaner somewhere? That should be a shame to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: any government. And in many ways, I know some of
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: your audience this is might not like me for saying this.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing stuff about immigration that I think sometimes is
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: good for us. Let's come and build. The answer is
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: not for all of us to run away somewhere to be,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to leave our royality in from our own nations. And
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: go and be cleaning people's summing home somewhere else, all
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in the case of a few pounds, a few dollars,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And our governments are sitting back and doing something nothing.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And that's why I get angry with our governments.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: You've seen the recent zenophobic attacks on Ghanians. Yes, how
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: does that make you feel?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: That's that's harsh, that's wrong that I don't even know
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: how to put it, because, like I'm saying, when you
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: take dignity, you strip a person of their dignity, you
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: take away humanity from them. And still African governments are
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: saying nothing. Still, there's little statements done here and there.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: The thing is what can we do to shut our
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: doors to keep our people in so that they feel
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: human enough not to go into exile as slave somewhere else.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Wow, there's this question I'd like to ask you, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I'd like to give you a story behind the question.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And because when I heard you, I see you as
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: someone who was for through the storms, particularly to maintain
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: your relevance, and in a sense it has distinguished you.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: If you find yourself in countries, you're not there for survival,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: did I If you find yourself in countries you're not
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: there for survival.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: No, you're there because I may have gone there for survival,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but something switched in my mentality. Nobody can live beyond
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: what they believe about themselves and about their future and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: about their hopes. So inside of me I was determined.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You see everything, They say that everything rises in forceful leadership.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Leadership.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I want to be a leader. How can I influence others?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: How can I influence? Actually I am a Christian. I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: pray that God will open the door for me to
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: influence somebody else. You know, so once you find a
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: sense of purpose for somewhere, your context is irrelevant because
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you can live above it. Do you understand what I'm saying,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Either the environment gets you or you live above it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And I think at some point I switch my philosophy
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: of life. I was no longer a victim. I was
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: going to be an employer in a place where I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: started out as a cleaner. Really, yes, that was a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: determination for me. And I teach my young people. I say,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: don't if you're pursuing money for money's sake, you're failure.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I say to them, you want to grow your business,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: why don't you say to yourself? How many people. Can
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I employ and take off unemployment list this year.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Then you're arriving somewhere. It's all in the philosophy of life.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: It's all in the lenses through which you see yourself,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you see other people, and you see life, and you
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: see stewarding the opportunities that you have. That's very important
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: for Africans to learn to steward things that we have.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I've just come from Malawi and I was privy to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: just privilege to see some of the work that is
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: happening in rural areas where rural women, I mean proper
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: village yes, who live in mad hats have learned how
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to cultivate tomatoes and corn in a different way. I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: walk into a village with others and I'm seeing village
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: women with the flip chat open. They have a cooperative
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: things are written. Who told you that the person may
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: not be able to speak English, They're in stupid True,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: they have been able to maximize their resources. Now their
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: children are university, they're in secondary store, they have TVs.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: You might look at them as village illiterate women, but
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: just because a person lacks literacy in a certain language
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: didn't mean they lack brain power.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: True, true, Yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. They don't lack brain power.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: By this time, I don't even know what your question was. Again,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: but you know, but but perhaps again it's in when
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: when we've bought into the light that we're helpless people,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: we've bought into the light that we have nothing. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: if you look at us, we're survivors. We've always minded
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to survive against the odds and beyond surviving. If only
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: we were taught to think critically, analytics creatively, so that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: we don't eat our seed, but we maximize. There's an
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: old proverb that says a lazy man does not took
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: what he puts, does not roast what it took. So
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: for example, I could hunt down a Yeah, in my country,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we like trotters peak feet. We roasts peak feet. Yes,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: peaks feet. It makes nice soup. I don't need to speak pork.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But no, I don't need all. But for some people
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: it's very nice. They make easy to make soup, the tail,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the skin, so we can we enjoy all of that. Well,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: how about other people take the innerds? I hear surgical
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: instruments can come out of that. Surgical implements that. It's true. Yes,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: certain things are from the pig. They are used, not
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the meaty side. It's a bit like when you take
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you kill an antelope or something and you skin it
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and you dry and you have a max Okay, yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: it's that kind of thing. So we don't maximize. We're
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: not taught to maximize. And this is the problem when
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: there is a paradigm of survival, because survivor means I'm
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: eating every day, I'm shortsighted, I have no long range plants.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Even now, we do that your plans are two years,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: three years, four year, five year, where els Caucasian is
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: thinking hundred years. Generationally.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, and when people.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Think like that, we will always be slaves. We will
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: always be disadvantaged because we never maximize what was always
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: within our view. We don't even see it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, Now back to the story I was going to
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: show you, which is connected to what you just said.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: While I was in secondary school, there was this girl
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that was in front of me in class. She was
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: very smad and I at that point I was already
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: struggling just to make sure and my maths teacher called
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: me one day and said, she's a girl. He said,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: some boys will start disturbing her, and she's a drop.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: By the time we've got to SS two go intosstree,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: she was not even among the first five in class.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: She dropped, and that almost showed that there is societal expectations.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: But at some point, due to a family and many
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: other emotional commitments, women drop from the ladder. You are
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: grandma and you're still burning on all cylinders. Have you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: kept that running? What can young girls learn from.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: You that young lady would have. First of all the circumstances.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes there's home, when there's no money we put you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: then there's always an excuse, and it's always the girl
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: child who is at the end of that. She has
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to suffer for that, never the boy child. You don't
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: hear anybody say, you know, we don't have any money,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: so don't go to school. It's always the girl Cha expended.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: This can be argued, Yeah, it can be. I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: going to very serious family traum that season two, so
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: we I think in a way just about that story.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So the second thing is when we I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: keep going back to the mind, because the mind is
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a womb of one's life. Believe systems are important very
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: early in life when somebody keeps saying to you, you're
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: only a woman, You're only a girl. Yeah, you buy
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: into that irrespective of what you see. It's easy to believe.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And I think for because of life's experience, we tend
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to believe other people's opinion of us rather than our
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: own opinion of ourselves. So somewhere along the line, the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: girl must have stopped trying. She may have stopped trying
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: because she believed whatever it is. And then also so
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: when for me, hope is a big thing. That's why
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: vision is a big thing. Vision becons stay, Vision challenges
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you to live beyond the present. Somewhere along the line,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: she probably didn't have a great expectation of her own future. Possibly,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: so she probably gave into it. Possibly, you know, gave
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: into it because if your teacher is only it's saying
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to someone, and I'm sure the boys may have also
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: said to her, you're only a girl.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Possibly, are you saying this is what happens on many women.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Many women? Yes? Are you saying also to me that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: there are not many preconceived ideas about how woman who
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: should be. You'll find a man and a woman, and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the woman is doing well. She's a top banker.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: She's this.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: People say, hey, your wife will talk to her as
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a woman. If you let them do that, that her
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: they were living. They'll find you buying some nice food
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: somewhere some booker, and they'll be saying, you see, we
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: told Himo his wife doesn't cook at home. Because everybody
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: think has preconceived eyes, ideas that are very limiting about
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: what a woman should be, and all of that for
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a lifetime. You keep hearing this. It's very hard to resist,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: very hard to fight against, because it's the posture of
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: society irrespective of what the other one. This one is
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: not just for Africa. Everywhere you go, whether they're Asian,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: whether they're Caucasian or African, the same prejudices exists.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: How did you beat it?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether I've beaten it fully, but I'm
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: sure I'm fighting back because people like Yes, I listen
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to people like you, you know, and I changes my mind.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Either you've given me opportunity. That's building my confidence. You see,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I told you about the Hawaii. The Hawaiian life is
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: very very important in life. I have a reason for
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: my existence. Yes, I'm in my mid sixties when I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: turned sixty, I started a countdown of how much time
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I have left before I die, And I sure don't
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: intend to die without a legacy. And if the only
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: legacy I leave is confident in someone is in holding
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: somebody's hand and helping them find a sense of purpose
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: in life and helping somebody break through the limitations in
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: their life, then I would have done my bit. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I hold myself to that. I remind myself every single day.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I use words for me in my life, like not
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: on my watch. As long as I have life and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I have breath, yes, I'll make this happen. So those
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: are They may seem little, but they help guide my conscience.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: They inform my choices and my decisions every day. So
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm only a product of what I believe, what I want,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: my sense of responsibility in life, and life's expectation of me. Yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: all combined to help me fight back prejudice.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Do you feel society is ashal women? Society is actual women.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Life is changing very fast. I think women have proven
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: themselves in Ghana where I come from, most of our
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: top industry leaders are women. For the phone Nesslee, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: don't know where there's changed now, backleas bang UPSA or
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: women interesting, very interesting, very strong women, very brilliant, smart women.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So we're seeing the models. They're women who have fought it,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and all it takes is you want to doubt us,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Let's look at the stats. You want to doubt us.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Let's see Africa right now has more women in parliament
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: involved in politics than the Western world. True, that's all proof.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And as other women see and hear these examples, they
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: rise to the foe and say if they can, me too,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So I think time has giving us opportunity with taking it,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and it's changing preconceived conceptions about women.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Do you feel excited? Don't forgive women? For instance, a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: man can make certain mistakes and pick himself up faster,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and you know, we get to hear more single models
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: than single feathers and can still pursue and become everything
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: that doesn't seem to happen to women. Do you think
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: it's self sabotage or the system on ground that women
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: can't that they don't get to pick themselves up compared
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to their male counterparty.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I think pick themselves up fair. I am a single woman.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that we're interesting and yes, I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: think women all over the world there are baby fa
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: There's lots of wavy fathers in this world. And women strive.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: They thrive. You can see a woman. I don't even
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: know how women handle it with multi tasking. And this
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: is not just something that we just say, how do
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: women they dream? I give you this example. Okay, yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: there will be no food in the house, yes, but
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I can guarantee you by the end of the day,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the child would have eaten because somehow women find a way.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I think women pick themselves up quicker than men do.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: We may be emotional, we may have a lot more
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: emotional baggage, but when it comes to survival, I think
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: women have a survival instinct.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: You feel this based on fact? Is this prove?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I don't have empirical but I see single women everywhere.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I see women. I've just come from village, you know. Okay,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you go around the world, and then the little few
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: bits that I've seen around the world, you will always
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: see men idle in a corner, unemployed, playing dummy is
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: what do they call it? You call it dummy? Here?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Get that?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: What do they call the thing? Whatever? The draft? You
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: will never I see a woman idle during the day
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: playing drafts. She's surviving, she's creating something. She's doing something
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: because the home relies on it. Even when they are married.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Is the same thing. The man will say, I'm going
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to look for money, or come he'll go, he'll come
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: at night. Everybody would have eating, They would have even
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: left bit for him with insults, but they will still
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: leave him some food to eat. Women are survivors. I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: think we pick ourselves up quicker than men. Unfortunately, we
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: bring our emotional baggage with us. Yeah.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Wow, this is profound considering the fact that you straddle
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: more than fifteen nations. What you do. Let's talk about
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: all his politics. Is it something that you feel is inevitable.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Of his politics. Yes, as long as there's human beings,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: there will always be contingent strife and some degree of politics,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: because since the human nature.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, have you had their date that the nice girl
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: don't get corner desk?
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: No? I haven't nobody told me that something like that. Yeah,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: why do they say that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I think they're saying that the woman will have to
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: really fight to get a place. Yes, in a sense, yes, yes, yes,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: have you navigated all those things you did, tried to
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: bring you down before. How do you agree about that?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: It's life, It's I don't think there's any single woman
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: who doesn't have to go through You're.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Not trying to make this conversation about anything peculiar you
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: have to do as a woman. You're just saying this life.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: It is life. So as a woman, my father taught
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: me a lot of principles when I was growing up.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I think my father wished I was a boy secretly interesting.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: So I was driving by the time of sixty. I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: had to wash the car changed By the time I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was sixty, I could change car tire. Wow. I could
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: check break fluid, I could check oil. But I could
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: do all of that because I was the first board okay,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And I happened to be a girl okay. And so
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: my father would share a lot with me. And one
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: of the things he always told me says, hey, yeah,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: when you go to work anywhere, work so hard that
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: when you're not there they miss you. So that became
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: part of my philosophy of life. And I realized that whatever,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the more they come against you, the more you kick
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: back so that they need you. How much more If
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: people need you, they forget that you're inferior in their minds.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: So of course I had to work harder, be there first,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: leave later than everybody, just to make headway because I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: by the time I started to work in offices proper,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I was in the Western world. So again there was
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I'm coming against not just prejudice against my gender, but
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: prejudice against my race and my ethnicity. I'm not good
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: enough for them, so I had to prove myself. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: still have to prove myself. Okay, I still have to
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: prove myself. So you'll have to be agile mentally. You
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: have to be on the ball. You have to do
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: give I call it my ball. What am I bringing
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to the table that others can't bring? Because it creates need,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: it creates value. So I'm always looking at So I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: work with four things. I say, what do I have?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Who needs what I have? Where are they? How can
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I get it to them? So I'm working around us,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: even if it's in the office. What do I have
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that others need? How do I get it to them
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in a way that puts value on me and what
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing. And I think that's how we fight office politics.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Complaining isn't going to do anything, and I've had to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: fight that. I've also realized that whether they promote me
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: or not, I will make my noise. I will still
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: be I don't want anybody to take away from me
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: what I have and what I know I can do,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: just because they kept me in the corner.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: So you don't take it out.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I've chicken out enough times to realize that I must
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: fight the chickening out. So I always say this. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: say my greatest enemy is myself. I've shaken that too
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: many times to realize that that wasn't the best choice
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I made. So now I'm determined. But you see, the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: thing about women is this, and the thing that has
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: helped me is this. I don't do solo. I do
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: mean so I get other smart women around me, so
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: we're hearing each other. It's a bit like two knives
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: iron sharpening at.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Getting like smart men to Men want to work.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Too, yes, but men are not if they are not
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in my corner. I'm gonna get somebody who's in my
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: corner who's gonna champion on my course. But when I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: barely ache, can I tell them all about it is Celia,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: don't mind them when they do this, do that, So
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I'm pumping myself up before I go in from people
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: who feel what I'm feeling, probably have gone through what
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going through, have broken through, and I champion me up.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It's a bit like you've been in the boxing ring
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and you go back. They hit you, back, back, back back,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and you go back and your trainer says, you can
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: do it, but what are you doing? Mess up? Give
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: them a left, give them a hook. So women like
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to do that. We gung hole. We go shopping together
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and we we we buy shoes, we buy hats, but
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: we beef each other up so we can go back
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to the ring and fight that.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: This contradict these statistics. Some we don't believe that women
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: support women compared to the waymen.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Support women when we are not rivaling each other. If
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: we're contesting for the same space, I ain't supporting you.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: But if we're not, Yes, if you touch one woman,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: then you got the rest of us to contend with,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: because we're not in the same space fighting for the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: same thing. Mostly women are catching when we're fighting over men, yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: over status, over positioning.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, come and try us and see you see ahead
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: of women who will run you out of that place,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: but immediately. That's why men also know, and they will
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: always position us in a place where we are fighting
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: one another. And when we fight one another, then we're
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: waking another. Otherwise you take that out. We will tell
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you our fast.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: So let me see this as a one that around
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: quite a number of organizations. Maybe sometimes I don't know.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I think I've got to it. I've received more complaint
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: of women's staff having issue with themselves.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Because I told you, we're in the same space. So
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we're contesting for favor. We're contesting for recognition when you
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: put us in the same space. We're not designed to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: help each other when we are out there, we are
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: not competing, is he? When you bring people down so much?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: The mom doesn't have to prove himself the way I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: have to prove myself. I'm proving myself. She's proving herself.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: He's proving or contending for favor with the same person.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I will show you my cartinue. A few men don't
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: have to prove themselves. I beg. It's not the same way. Really,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it's not the same way. We don't come equal. We
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: do not come equal, and by nature women are more
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you see, we don't gossip with discussings, we're not cutting
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: women at their best and they are worst with women.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It depends on the context we fight. We find ourselves
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: in the moment. Is competing for something, Yes, the worst
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of us comes out true when it is not. And
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm secure by nature. I'm a natural, so the best
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: of the natural will come out the moment you put
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: me in a place where because a woman is intuitively protective.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: So really the workplace and the workplace politics is an
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable place that we haven't still marshalled and what is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for strength having had the mastery off,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: So we're still in a place where I'm proving myself,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and when another woman comes, she is also proving herself.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: We do not collaborate because we're vying for the same thing.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: The moment you take me out and you put me
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: in my natural context, the natural, the protector, the provide.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: The bigger rap of others flows naturally. It's men's faults.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Let it be known officially that it is me's fault.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Now we are cutty at work, and.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I just want to say that I've learned experientially that
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in most of the places where I need things to
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: move faster. I prefer to work with women. Yes, personally,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I think I don't know how they're able to do it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: What I just feel. Once a woman puts them mind somewhere,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: there's a way they do it with the sense of
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: like their life depends on it. A man can miss
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: your call twenty times, and let's do it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: It's a DNA. I think it's a woman's den and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it says how we're designed. Women are doers. And the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: reason where do us is this. Women don't like basics.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: You're married. I've seen your wife. She's beautiful. You see
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: when you're standing with your wife that she touched your tie.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: She will try and adjust something. She would adjust something.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: On your everything every time.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Everything she does that instinctively. Well, how many times I
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: used to do the woman with your wife and touch
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: their head attached to clips. No, it's a woman's thing
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to make things, take it from good to best to better.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: It's instinctive for her. And that is the kitchen in
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the living room, she sees a cootching, nothing wrong with
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that cushion, she will plump it, put it. She's forever
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: bettering herself. It's an innate thing that we want to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: always make things better. So you give us a task,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: we would have failed if we didn't make it better
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: than the way you gave it to us. So we
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: put our best to it. It's innate, it's an inward thing.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Men don't understand it. It's inside of us. We do
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: it without thinking, because every time you give us a seed,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: we have to make it into a forest, into something
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that is multiplied, something that is better. That's why you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: see women. Have you ever seen women? Nobody goes in
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: my country? Call it sacora like bereface, like that day.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: If you can enhance it, you do a little bit
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: of lipstick, it a little bit of aye, hear, a
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: little bit of so we can't recognize ourselves anymore. You
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's part of a woman's nature
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to enhance things. So once you give a woman a task,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: her innate nature comes out to make it better. We
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: also like to be applauded. We like to be appreciated,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: We like to be admired. Nothing makes us well better
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: than who honey, this one did? Yeah, it brings the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: best start of us. We don't know about these men,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: but as for us, that's how we are. You know. So. Yeah,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: if you want the job done, give it to a woman,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I say, and don't forget the man also has something
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to add. I am sounding I'm not sounding like I believe.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I believe very much in collaboration, collaboration. Yeah, I believe
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: very much in collaboration, and I think women collaborate better
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: than men. All this gossip we get together doing. What
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: do you think we're doing. It's collaboration. It's just men's
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: perspective of it. But I'm saying that women network easier women.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: You know what, you see collectives of women more than
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you see of men. You men who you see each other?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: You have to sniff each other. You're more competitive than
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: we are. At a certain level. You have to sniff
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: each other. A woman can meet each other in the shop.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I like your blo. Oh really, I think you're flipping
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the script. I think you don't want you'll be reading.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I think you'll be flipping the script.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I really think you'll be flipping this.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Why Because we're men, we come just about everything.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Talk about football, talk about you don't talk about the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: realities of life. You talk about the surface things. You
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: can get together with football, we will. A woman will
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: meet another woman in the shop. Admire her shit. She
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: will within ten minutes. And I told her everything about
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: my husband and my family. We did fifteen minutes. We
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: have exchange numbers.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Women don't do that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: We did three days. I would say that's my best
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: friend when I don't know her. Really, that's how easy
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it is. Men you don't because you always You see
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: how dogs meet, they have to slip each other. It's
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: this coachure. First. Women don't waste that kind of time.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And sometimes it's to advantage and to add disadvantage. But
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that it's also part of our natural nature
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to connect well, to connect easier. Of course, it comes
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: with a lot of pain because a lot of times
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: there's no caution put to it. There's no logic put
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to it, there's no rationale. I can be somebody and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: say it's my friend. What do you know? That's an associate.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: You don't know anything about that person. I can't they
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: be a friend. It doesn't take that to be a friend.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: But so we have many friends. Okay, So that's a
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: strength and a weakness. Yeah, it works for us when
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: it works well. It damages us when it's done. And
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: because we're emotional is very easy for us to have
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: an emotional connection, whereas men have logical connections.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: It's true, I'm not just going to connect to your
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: man in the way women know.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Women can meet each other until the day is there,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and I think the same with the same speed, we
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: can be enemies.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And that's true when you look at the lions, the
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: pride of lions, one dominant male territory, another one send away.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You've you've been around and you are also passionate about Africa.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: What do you think the next five years, five ten
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: years looks like? What are the things we should be
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: doing to push on ourselves as a continent to being
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a strategy point?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Africa has come to the point where all transformation believes
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: starts and commences with the focused, consistent discontent of the
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: status chore. I think Africa has gotten to the point
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: where we are finally asking ourselves something, how long can
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I live like this? The moment a person becomes discontent
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: with something is the moment they had their breakthrough, even
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: though they haven't done anything to reset. Because when you're
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: lulled into a place of helplessness and despair, yeah, you
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: are at your lowest. The day you say I am
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: not fit for this. That day is the day of recovery.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I think Africa has arrived at the place where we
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: have said no more. So I am seeing Africa. I
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: think we're already on a reset. I come from Ghana
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: many years ago. When I get to the airport and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I'm buying things, I buy chocolate from Switzerland, all man
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of brands. Yeah, our chocolate was not nice. Today I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: can go to Ghana. I buy gifts of chocolate. We
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: have Gormet chocolate, popcorn chocolate. I even saw Gary chocolate,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Gary and peanuts.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: But I think Ghana said process and most of the yes.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So where there will be
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a switch, there's been a transformation. We have morphed from dependence.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: We're more from helplessness. So suddenly we go to a
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: place where our backs way against the wall and we
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: began to I open, see what is in my house?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: What do I have? We are now stewarding resources better
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: with our governments. Ganna has not had a call for
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: almost forty years because our backwards to get against the
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: wall and we say no more. This thing is disrupting us.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It is distrapping our economy. We've had enough, We've had
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: people die. When do people get to a point when
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: they say no more? I think when people get to
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: a point and they say no more, they start looking inward.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Africa is on a rebuild. I am very, very very
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: confident of that. Our young people are hope, they are
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: thinking differently. They are audacious in their think. Amit? Young people?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: They have not even started life and then they're telling
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: me big dreams that even their grandfather it could never
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: have dreamt it. We have hope. Let them dream and fail.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: But it's better to dream that way and fail than
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: not to dream at all. And so once a person
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: starts dreaming, they start visualizing what the future is. Yeah,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: researt is very possible, and research has comments. So on
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that note, I think Africa is already on the research
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: watch us. In five years, we're catching up. Our manufacturing
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: is different. We are now enjoying our own products where
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: we used to look to the west today and these
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: are even flippant things like I never used to see
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Africans go on holiday today. I go to Ghana. People
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: are going to Mauritius, They're going to what's the Zanzibar.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't see them going on honeymoon somewhere. I didn't
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: see people coming from too on honeymoon, on holiday, on
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: this We didn't used to have those ideas because we
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: were still on survivor. Nobody can tell me we're not
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: on a researt Now we're We have hotels that are big.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Everything used to be run by either Asians or Lebanese
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: or Chinese, and we still are. Now we're contending for
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that space. I think Africa is on a reset. I
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: am excited to be African, proud to be African, hopeful
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that Africa will never work, coming to a point where
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: we won't beg again. There's still a lot of work
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to be done, and a lot of work comes not
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: by wringing our hands in despair, but looking for those
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: we can invest in. That's the next generation and the
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: generation after that who already on the forefront because they're
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: not thinking like we thought. You see, our children have
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: been exposed. They have a different kind of appetite from us. Now.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I see people going to KFC and they think about chicken.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: When I was growing up, you chicken at Christmas, Yes,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: your off at Christmas. Today you'll lofe is everybody can
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: have it. Our children have different appetites, and because they
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: have different epetites, we can't go back. They're wanting more.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: They've tasted what the life can be like, and that
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: is even enough because they will break out of every limitation.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: No more are we collecting the reason not doing anything
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, they're innovative, they're creative, and we have
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to feed into that. And they fail, we say, honey,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: get up, you can try again and do it.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: In respect to this breaking out of this numb can
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: you list a few country countries in Africa you expect
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: that these ones were counting on you almost from from your.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: From my experience, definitely Ghana, Definitely, Nigeria, Kenya for my friends.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I've never been to Kenya, but I'm hearing a lot
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: of people doing stuff. You Ganda. I'm not too sure
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: about Francophone countries. I think it may be a bit
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: slow there, but it's not on any kind of expert thing.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I think West Africa there's a sweep of something that
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: is flowing. Deferently Girl Senegal. There's a sweep of something
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: that is flowing in West Africa. Definitely. I think South
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Africa is still it's still in that space, but they're coming.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: They they have too many things. They are fighting also,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: but they're still a move to put young people at
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the forefront of what we do. And so definitely I'm
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: seeing I've just come from Malawi. I've seen that from Malawi,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Okay and the countries around Tanzania, Zambia. Yes, I'm seeing
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: young people come. How do we know? We're seeing younger
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: people on boards. So it's not just talk. We're seeing
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: younger CEOs that we've never seen before. That means we're
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: entrusting our future into people who have a different kind
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: of mindset, different kind of strategy, different kind of tactics.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: They can speak better engagement that they understand the world
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: that we are going into. And it's not just a
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: lot of times when we say that we mean AI
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and we mean this whole digital revolution. But I don't
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: think so. I think to understand commerce today, you need
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to understand the culture of the other person. It's like
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: doing business with Chinese or Japanese. Our younger people understand
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: because they blend better, they mix better, They are not
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: in silos anymore, so they understand the culture better, they
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: understand the language. They have Bravado, nobody told them they
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it. They are mad, they're audacious, they're crazy.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Nobody told them they unleash. They learned from mistake. They
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: will fall twenty times. That for me tells you there's hope,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: there's movements, and yeah, we're seeing them in every aspect
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: of society, younger people coming to the fore.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: There's a management rule that any demography you're trying to
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: reach should at least be represented in some way in
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: your board, of course, and we've seen that up on
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: most places or most sectors for most countries in Africa
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: except Yes, and for instance, look at what is happening
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: there Zeno for big attack in South Africa. I saw
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: how the South Africa I comcerned. Was said with someone
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and I was listening to your minister, one of your ministers,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: asking profound questions, and I said, this is good, and
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  Speaker 2: I felt that in a sense it is also because
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  Speaker 2: this man is young.
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  Speaker 1: It's young. Yes, young people don't fear things so much. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they are more blazing brazen they You see. The thing
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  Speaker 1: with when you're older and you hang on to power
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  Speaker 1: is what you know is always what you know, and
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: so you judge everything in the future by your past experience. Now,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: when past experience becomes your best teacher, your future is
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  Speaker 1: in prison. Let me repeat that, when past experience becomes
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: your best teacher, your future is in prisoned because it's
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  Speaker 1: all that you know young when you're when you're young,
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  Speaker 1: you learn from everything, you eat everything. Yeah, you understand
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  Speaker 1: they have not had the experience. This doesn't work. This
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  Speaker 1: is the only thing we tried before, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that works. And so when we have
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  Speaker 1: younger people, they're also challenging all colonial systems. Yes, they're
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  Speaker 1: challenging it like never before. They're calling more people to accountability.
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  Speaker 1: Even the church too, especially in the church too. There's
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  Speaker 1: a I told you whenever there's a discontent, dis contents,
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  Speaker 1: that's revolutions. I like that word. I like the revolutions.
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  Speaker 1: And probably what we need is a political revolution. It
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  Speaker 1: is say cool, I beg not cool, But there's a
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  Speaker 1: revolution of mindset thoughts and challenging institutions that are ancient.
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  Speaker 1: And you see, especially for Africa, part of the African
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  Speaker 1: challenge is we're heavy on top in our African cultures.
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  Speaker 1: When elders speak, nobody can answer, nobody asks questions. When
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  Speaker 1: our elder spoken, even foolish talk. Nobody can challenge not anymore,
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  Speaker 1: Not anymore because the scene has changed. When you still
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  Speaker 1: get to elders around, they'll still talk like that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's so and so has spoken, you know, Chief, so
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  Speaker 1: and so I spoken. What can we say? Well, young
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  Speaker 1: people are saying how how were you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: To tell you the truth? And don't tell them I
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  Speaker 1: said this. I run a young emerging leaders for when
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to a meeting with them, I'm more scared
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  Speaker 1: of when I'm going to any other meeting, even a
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  Speaker 1: management or a leadership meeting. I need to have an agenda.
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  Speaker 1: I need to know that I can argue my case
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  Speaker 1: for why I'm asking for this thing to be done.
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  Speaker 1: I must be prepared for questions. But it does. It
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  Speaker 1: makes you a better leader. But you also understand that
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: these people are not going to be quiet.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you the last question. I know
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: it's been a long day for you. Have you ever
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Are you on TikTok? No, okay, you should, I thought
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  Speaker 2: you had.
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  Speaker 1: My friend.
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  Speaker 2: You need to be on TikTok's there's something I wanted
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: to do. When I download TikTok, you can search for
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the dog nor Eton. Most of the Nigeria we also
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: have asked for. Most of the things you find in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the search will be about Ghana. That like a cave,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I think a gold coast where the colonial masters will
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: lead people to those narrow doors. And yes, and usually
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: once you pass through that door, you are either going
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  Speaker 2: to be sold asleep, you're die in the sea. The
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: unfortunate thing is that just where they have that dungeon
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: above it is the church. And part of that demand
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: for accountability is a younger generation saying that old on
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: a minute, this guy has brought religion to us and
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  Speaker 2: in a way to use that to blind those while
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: they worship their god up above the dungeons, women and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: men bleeding chains in the dungeons. And as a way
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: to dismiss that faith, you are a person of faith,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: what do you say to that? We have people now
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: And this is still going on either in geo politics
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: where they use the idea of religion, the pre Christian
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: president and so on and so forth. I don't call
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: any sect now while in essence they're pursuing something more cynical,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: but just using the name to get votes and do
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: all those things. And we can also talk about many
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: things going on in church and mosques and all those sectors.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: What do you have to say about the role of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: religion in colonizing African minds and what should we do
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: going forward?
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  Speaker 1: Religion, most religions have principles that govern and guide. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: most religions offer principles that should shape human life and
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  Speaker 1: human behavior. Yes. The interpretation and the expression of that
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  Speaker 1: is a whole different Okay. Can I say that again,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the interpretation of the principles. For example, I'm a Christian. Yes, Christians,
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  Speaker 1: God said love one another, value human Even in the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Christian Bible, there's things about equity, there's things, there's principles
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  Speaker 1: that should guide business.
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  Speaker 2: In the Christian Bible, there is a place where it is
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: said that slaves to submit and another masters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, slave trade is not good. He didn't say, Remember
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  Speaker 1: it's contextual.
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  Speaker 2: What's the context?
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  Speaker 1: So in the Christian Bible when it says slaves, you're
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  Speaker 1: talking to somebody has been It's already in endslavery. The
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  Speaker 1: context is that you give your best to the job
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: where you're in. It didn't endorse. You have to read
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: the whole Bible from the beginning to the end, to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: see if it endorsed the.
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  Speaker 2: The rest fact the way people have been asking, yes,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: because I mean, it looks like, hold on a minute,
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  Speaker 2: could this be the text we're reading out?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: No? I started to say something, but but please feedback, feedback?
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  Speaker 2: Could this be the text we're reading while they were
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: busy capturing our people? And since the Bible says slaves
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  Speaker 2: you sb me to their masters, does it look like
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: God and does those things?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: But God? Did God send them to come in as
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: slavers in the first place?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: So let's so that's why I said, there's the interpretation,
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  Speaker 1: the human interpretation to fit human agenda, greedy agenda. So
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: people take a good way, take a good principle to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the expression of it is how they not even their
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: interpretation the manipulation of that. She agreed, and sheer wickedness
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: because there's one thing to sell a person, there's another
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: thing to do humanize a person in the way that
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: they did in the slave trade. Yeah, and excuse it
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  Speaker 1: because if true religion is true, there's also the human
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  Speaker 1: conscience when a person does not feel the pain of
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  Speaker 1: another human being. Please don't hide behind religion. They came
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: cloaked in religion, but that's which the actions that took
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: place belive the same Bible that they were holding. This
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: is not in accordance with it. True, the Bible is
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: about liberty and human dignity and human expression in its
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: best ways, and about helping people become the best sense
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: of themselves. So everything was opposite. And so I would
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: say that, yes, human beings came with an agenda. They
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: didn't see humans. They saw gold, they saw treasure, they
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: saw wealth. They didn't just do it in Africa, they
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: did it in India in different expressions. In the most
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: places where there was colonization, it was always at the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: expense of Indie gens because of greed. However, I'm also grateful,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: even in my pain, that there is a redemptive factor,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: and that redeiccative factor is that I would never have
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: become a Christian if they hadn't come to our shows. Now,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: why do Africans always say this and forget that their
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: own people were complicit who sold them in the first place.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Now this is even for somebody coming from the UK.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bring another perspective. We in the UK,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: we're there with our fellow brethren, our brothers and sisters,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Black brothers and sisters who are Caribbean, who were the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: results of the slave trade they were taking there, and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: then of course taking from the plantations into Jamaica into
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the Caribbean islands. The biggest struggle they have is an
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: identity one. Every year they have Black History months, they
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: celebrated You know who doesn't celebrate Black stream man Africans.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: And I try and explain to my people, I say,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: you lost sons in your sight when they drowned and perish.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: To the African, we just lost gold and treasure. That's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: why we've come to the West. So we still once.
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  Speaker 1: We are not grieving over our lost sons. Spare me
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the hypocrisy. How many of us have you seen they
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: say this year we are grieving every time an African speaks. Ah,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: these people they came and took while we were praying.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: They took our treasure. Nobody mentions the sons that died
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the ocean, their dehumanization till today
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: in certain western countries of the Black race that they
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: took there. Until Africa starts vying for that and fighting
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: for that. Spare me the double facedness. Please forgive me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm only a little girl from Ghana spouting my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: what do I know interesting?
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  Speaker 2: I want to say it's been a very markable one
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  Speaker 2: with you on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so kindly for having me. I've enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. M mmmmm