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Sexy Menopause: Awakening the Holy Feminine with Lisa Fitzpatrick · Terri Messenger's Genius Zone

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Yes. So the interesting thing about
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pelvic floor Physiology and the structures inside the pelvic
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cauldron. So we have 16 muscle groups
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inside the areal, 16 muscles in particular that are of
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significance. And when we go through trauma,
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and this has been well documented and researched, if we
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go through a trauma, our structural physiological
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relationship with our nervous system, changes in that tissue
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and the tissue Physiology will store the trauma in the form of
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either a more rigid or recalcitrant tissue type or even
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a tissue type that's gone to sleep.
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And when we actually, yeah. So it will absolutely change the
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Physiology of the what? You're saying about the Holy
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Spirit is that it is this, you know, maybe for some people who
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have never, ever come into this opportunity, understanding where
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they can get their discernment from, how they can heal
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themselves, how they can connect back in when something is really
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bad. So is the Holy Spirit a person?
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Some would say the Holy Spirit is a person.
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At the very least, it's a very intimate presence.
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And I think the way the Holy Spirit likes to operate is as a
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person in terms of this ability for us to have a very close
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relationship. So what often happens in a lot
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of spiritual teachings is there's an omnipresent creator,
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and sometimes that creator seems so far away from us and so
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inaccessible to us. And we are like, Oh my God, are
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you listening? You know, do you, do you hear
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me? I'm suffering.
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But the Holy Spirit is literally a friend in the closest intimate
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way who does not abandon you, even if you have to confess some
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of your darkest and deepest shames, Which is what I hear in
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my clinic all the time is shameful stories about pelvic
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health, sexual health, things that people have done and
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experienced that they might be thinking.
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I cannot tell another soul. I cannot actually experience the
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humiliation and shame of this. But I also don't feel I can
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connect well. The Holy Spirit is here to love
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us and not abandon us, no matter how broken, traumatized.
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Difficult no matter what. My name is Terry Messenger and I
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am hey, hey, hey, and welcome. Welcome to Terry Messenger's
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Genius Zone. And you know, this is the place
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None. Hello, hello, hello.
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Well, welcome to this week's Genius Zone and boy have we got
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a treat for you. Ladies.
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Have you ever wondered about your body and the way that it
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changes through menopause and the way that you may go into
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what you believe is a menopausal phase where suddenly your whole
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sexuality switches off? I know a lot of ladies have come
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to me about this. However, I have a woman who
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knows so deeply on this powerful and profound topic.
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She is not only a pelvic health coach for women's sexuality.
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Bringing that sexy back into menopause.
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She is a physiotherapist, she is an author, she is a keynote
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speaker. She is the woman that is about
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to really come up with some confronting subjects that you
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may have been hiding for a very long time.
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So she has brought that sexy back into people's
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relationships. She has been able to help women
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reclaim their sensuality and divine connection.
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And guess what? She has a supernatural ability
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to help you to tap into your supernatural power through the
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Holy Spirit. So with no further ado, I bring
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on the wonderful, the brave, and the incredible Lisa Fitzpatrick.
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How are you today, Lisa? I'm really excited.
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Thanks, Terry. That is so good because I am
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too. So we are about to broach a
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very, very brave subject because a lot of women don't want to
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talk about this. This is kind of like swept under
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the carpet. But let's start from the very
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beginning, OK? Because along the lines here, we
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are going to bring into it one of the divine spiritual, you
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know, aspects that you know very well about and I know very well
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about too. And that is like the secret
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ingredient of the Holy Spirit. Now I'm going to ask you to
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describe firstly, for people that may not even know what the
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Holy Spirit is. I'm going to get you to open
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that up so we can firstly talk about something that you're
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going to bring into the topic as a supernatural power.
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Well, the very first thing is. Thank you so much for letting me
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have this conversation so openly because I believe that every
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single one of us has the capacity to understand the Holy
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Spirit better if we if we are not seeing it as something
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separated from ourselves. So the Holy Spirit is a is a
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very gentle, nourishing, unable to be manipulated aspect of our
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existence and of our being that we are able to invite into our
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lives to assist us as humans. And the interesting thing about
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the Holy Spirit is that the Holy Spirit wants to tend to us and
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befriend us and support us in our times of need and in our
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times of brokenness. And it does not require us to be
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perfect and put together and polished.
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It doesn't require us to know what to say.
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It accepts us unconditionally, but the important thing for us
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to realize is that it's never going to invite itself in.
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So there might be parts of us that secretly feel ashamed of
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our brokenness. We might feel as though we're
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not necessarily showing up in our life to our full potential.
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We might be harbouring fear and anxieties and depression and
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traumas, and we might also be getting to a point where we've
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tried a lot of therapies and a lot of things that haven't
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worked for us in our lives. Yeah.
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And the Holy Spirit is one of those aspects to our existence
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that has the potential to, to befriend and support any person,
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no matter what the depth and the breadth of your trauma actually
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is. The, the, the prerequisite for
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us to actually have the relationship that we need to
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Foster and support and tend to, in order to create a, a
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connection to the Holy Spirit that really changes things in
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our world is one of deep, deep intimacy.
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So what is required for intimacy is for and for us to invite the
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Holy Spirit in fully is for our ability to actually stop, slow
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everything down, be in a place of stillness so that we can
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actually hear the Holy Spirit as a intimate relationship.
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It's a voices that only we can really only hear if we are in
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the stillness of our own presence.
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And the reason why a lot of us have not been able to create a
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deep, intimate relationship with this particular supernatural
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aspect of our being is because we haven't stopped.
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We haven't been quiet with ourselves.
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We've been busy distracting ourselves with so many things.
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We've been looking outside ourselves for a lot of answers,
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and I believe every single person on the planet can
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actually have a very close relationship with this aspect
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that is so loving and so nourishing and so kind that it
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can pretty much support us through all of life's absolute
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challenges. And we know that the planet is
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in a bit of a mess right now. And the more Health Center,
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right? Absolutely.
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The the world has gone mad. So maybe this is a little secret
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key for people who find themselves disembodied from
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their presence and, you know, very much lost in their whole
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crisis or what's going on and unable to bring themselves back
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to the heart and soul of who they are, you know, as a person.
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So it's almost what I'm hearing you say, and I'm just going to
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be very objective. I'm not going to impart any of
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my own thoughts. I may discuss some of my
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questions with you, but I want to be extremely open and allow
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people that are listening to make their own informed
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decision. So it's almost like what you're
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saying about the Holy Spirit is that it is this, you know, maybe
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for some people who have never, ever come into this opportunity,
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understanding where they can get their discernment from, how they
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can heal themselves, how they can connect back in when
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something is really bad. So is the Holy Spirit a person?
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Some would say the Holy Spirit is a person.
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At the very least, it's a very intimate presence.
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And I think the way the Holy Spirit likes to operate is as a
12:32
person in terms of this ability for us to have a very close
12:38
relationship. So what often happens in a lot
12:41
of spiritual teachings is there's an omnipresent creator,
12:45
and sometimes that creator seems so far away from us and so
12:49
inaccessible to us. And we are like, Oh my God, are
12:52
you listening? You know, do you, do you hear
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me? I'm suffering.
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But the Holy Spirit is literally a friend in the closest intimate
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way who does not abandon you, even if you have to confess some
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of your darkest and deepest shames, Which is what I hear in
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my clinic all the time is shameful stories about pelvic
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health, sexual health, things that people have done and
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experienced that they might be thinking.
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I cannot tell another soul. I cannot actually experience the
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humiliation and shame of this. But I also don't feel I can
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connect well. The Holy Spirit is here to love
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us and not abandon us, no matter how broken, traumatized.
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Difficult no matter what we've done.
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Yeah. So a question on that because,
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you know, I'm sure that there are women out there suffering
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and even men who love their women.
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Knowing this can be very, very empowering.
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So take a woman, for example, who is going through a bit of a
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crisis in their sexuality, you know, through menopause.
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And maybe they're coming into having problems because it is a,
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a real life problem that women actually almost revert back to,
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you know, before they had hormones as a child.
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So they might feel that sex is painful or, you know, these
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things that nobody ever wants to talk about.
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And you know, we spoke about backstage the element of what
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happens to a woman's womb being her portal and things, for
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example, that may affect her. So for example, you raise the
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topic on termination. So, and we are not giving any
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opinions on right or wrong here. So just as a disclaimer, so
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because we want people that are listening to this to know that
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the Holy Spirit is unconditional.
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So it doesn't matter what you've been through and it doesn't
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matter what has happened to you. There is no shame from and with
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the Holy Spirit. So let's talk about a woman who
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may have encountered sexual assault or termination or
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something that has happened to her, that part of her portal,
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her womb, and what impact that has.
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And obviously, because you are a physio and you do actually do
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the pelvic examination, what have you found?
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How has that affected women from a spiritual point of view, an
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emotional point of view and obviously a practical physical
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point of view? Yes.
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So the interesting thing about pelvic floor Physiology and the
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structures inside the pelvic cauldron.
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So we have 16 muscle groups inside the area of 16 muscles in
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particular that are of significance.
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And when we go through trauma, and this has been well
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documented and researched, if we go through a trauma, our
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structural physiological relationship with our nervous
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system, changes in that tissue and the tissue Physiology will
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store the trauma in the form of either a more rigid or
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recalcitrant tissue type or even a tissue type that's gone to
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sleep. And when we actually, yeah.
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So it will absolutely change the Physiology of the body,
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particularly in the pelvis when there's been something like a
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termination or a trauma that's that's been been inflicted.
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And so when we go through menopause, a lot of those very
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deep unconscious traumas start to surface.
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And as a result, they can really result in a perfect storm.
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Because when our hormones change in menopause, we also have some
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tissue change to the system due to the loss of estrogen, and
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that can make the tissue more vulnerable on a physical level
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anyway. So while we're processing these
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unconscious traumas that might be surfacing in menopause, our
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bodies are changing and our husbands and partners and, you
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know, whether we're in a same sex or a heterosexual
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relationship, we'll often find it difficult to navigate these
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changes with us because as women, we don't even know really
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what we're going through. It's called cougar puberty for a
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reason. We.
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Cougar. Puberty.
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Thing or well, that's the first you learn something new every
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day. That's why I love doing what I'm
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doing here. So just to kind of bring bring
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that back to, you know, some of the very key important things.
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So it sounds like, you know, the book that I'm reading at the
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moment. So I've known about the book for
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a very long time. The body keeps the score.
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So, you know, all of a sudden, you know, the tissues and the
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memory of all that trauma held in that part of the woman's body
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becomes almost like it wakes up and causes these issues of where
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they have these problems. So what is the formula of
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healing for that? What do you do typically when
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you know a woman has gone through that kind of a trauma in
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her body? Yes, yes.
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So of course being a physiotherapist and a sexual and
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pelvic health educator, my scope of practice is really in the
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tending and befriending physically to the tissues that
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we might see have made those changes by actually directing a
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woman's attention to those tissues with our hands on
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medicine. So I'm a very hands on therapist
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and my manual skills around actually reading what's
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happening in a female system will support that woman's
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awareness around how to actually relax a muscle group that she
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might not have accessed inside the pelvic cauldron her whole
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life. For whatever reason, women
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abandoned this part of their bodies, often due to trauma or
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sometimes due to spiritual conditioning.
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And my job is to bring awareness to the tissue with my hands
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first and foremost. And then we use a lot of verbal
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and manual cues in my clinic to support the release of that
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story in the tissue. Now I do again, want to just
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talk to scope of practice because if I can get a really
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good physical release in tissue, that might be holding a lot of
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tension or scarring. And that would mean that I'm
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placing either gentle stretching pressure to the area or asking a
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woman to gently activate a particular area of tissue and
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then release it again with support with me as her witness.
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I'm actually focusing a lot on the physical benefits of that
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practice, that those physical benefits include better comfort
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with sex, better continence levels.
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A lot of women find they have continence issues and prolapse
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issues as they go through menopause, but there is also a
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deeper spiritual, mental and emotional awakening occurring in
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the templates behind that physical input.
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So because again, with scope of practice, we focus primarily on
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the physical. My job is also to support that
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woman if she is going through a major realization that her body
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has shut down for some reason and she needs to actually have
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therapeutic intervention that is very, very specialized to that
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trauma. I then key her in with my
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sexologist. My, you know, my favorite
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referring party. A sexologist to it has also been
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medically checked, trained or a psychologist usually to do some
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EMDR therapy. And of course, in my clinic, I
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hold a very safe, non judgmental presence.
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And I believe there's something more at work in these sessions.
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I believe that the simple practice of being very, very
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present in the body in some of our more personal spaces,
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because I'm doing a lot of internal vaginal examinations,
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also facilitates a deep sense of safety.
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So felt safety is something that supports the processing of
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trauma to a subconscious level where some women may not even
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remember what it was that planted the physiological
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imbalance in the 1st place. You know, a lot of women have
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spent their whole lives avoiding the discussions around abortion,
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sexual abuse. Some women don't even remember
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their childhood sexual abuse. But that's not the relevancy of
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it. So the story isn't necessarily
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always relevant. What is relevant, though, is
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that there's often an emotional release.
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And I have to have at least six boxes of tissues ready in my
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clinic, you know, for the week ahead because we go through a
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lot of tears. And the tears are, I believe,
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the Holy Spirit's way of releasing that trauma in a way
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that's very healing and supportive of the nervous system
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to down train itself into a regulated space.
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So we can't really access trauma when we're when we're up in our
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anxious breath and we're, you know, really moving our
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Physiology away from that part of our bodies.
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When we think about being so busy, we're breathing up,
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breathing into our head, over thinking.
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If we bring our awareness down into the body, our breath
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becomes more abdominally focused and pelvic focused.
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We're then able to also bring our nervous system into a space
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where it is actually safe to start processing some of those
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things that are shielding us from living.
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The sensations of divinity, sensuality, grace, the pleasant
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blessings of this world that, you know, we've somehow denied
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ourselves for whatever reason. Yeah, absolutely.
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And I, I didn't mention that you're going to do a closing
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ceremony with a feminine shift in activation visualization.
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It's just going to be for a few minutes, but it's going to be a
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very, very powerful. So ladies, if you feel and even
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men, I believe it's going to be very empowering for you to
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understand about, you know, if your partner is going through
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these kinds of elements that you know, you can be all the more
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empowered by understanding and knowing that there is literally
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no pun intended, light at the end of the tunnel.
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So babe, and you know, it, it it's so interesting too that you
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know, you talk about the Holy Spirit, you talk about this, you
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know, incredible portal of healing through the the womb and
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Co creation and procreation and the difference of, you know,
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when we're in that procreating state and then we kind of move
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over to to the Co creating state.
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Would you like to explore and open that up?
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I guess with the knowledge too, that you yourself have been
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through some very significant emotional events.
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You've been through a dark night of the soul and happened in your
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20s, and you've also been through post Natal depression,
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which I can actually relate to everything you're talking about.
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And so many people think that they're being derailed from, you
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know, what they're supposed to be doing in life and they can't
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do it. And they become paralyzed
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because they feel so taken off track by what they're, you know,
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what's happened to them. But you talk about this in a, a
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full cycle of how that derailing may have begun that way, but how
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it also changes to bring them back into their sole purpose.
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Would you like to enlighten our listeners?
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Yes, absolutely. So the idea of us moving through
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these cycles in our life where things are sometimes so
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desperately dark for us with that we're experiencing a dark
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night of the soul. First of all, with the
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menopausal shift that can often be very much characterized by
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depression and by a dark light of the soul.
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There's this this concept of being procreative and being
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wrapped up in our menstrual cycle for our whole lives,
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followed by a period where our hormones change enough for us to
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then be off the cyclic wheel. But but into this, this winding
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down of our drivers and our that used to enliven us into
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productivity. That was a concept coined and
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and I do need to give credit to Barbara Marx Hubbard, who was a
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very, very enlightened, supportive spiritual teacher of
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the women's mysteries. She passed away a few years ago.
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Now when we go into these dark places, when we have these
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experiences, you're absolutely right that the interpretation
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can be that we're off track. But I believe that we can't come
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into the oil of our anointment. We can't have the the luxury of
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our essence, our life essence, being almost distilled and and
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supported into its potency unless we've been pressed into a
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particular life challenge that has generally been in our divine
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plan all along. So what we need to sometimes
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reframe for ourselves is, oh, I did this and life gave me that,
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or I thought this and life gave me that.
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The truth, I believe, is that we have a plan that has actually
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been known to the Holy Spirit and to the Divine Creator all
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along. That plan is quite a gloriously
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wonderful one. But when we see these isolated
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life events and we personalize the fact that they're showing us
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that we're off track somehow, what we're missing is that
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there's always a blessing inside that particular Dark Knight that
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literally, if we go deep enough, that deep dive allows us to go
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into some unconscious traumas and some unconscious aspects of
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our selfhood that we need to find in order to bring back the
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oil of our anointment in a more potent form.
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So when the when we can't actually bring that oil into its
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fullest potency unless it's being pressed like a rose petal.
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And we know, you know, rose oil's very exquisite, expensive
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oil, it needs to be crushed down.
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Pride, distraction, perhaps lack of our insight, a lot of things
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that humans have that derail their ability to be humble,
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their ability to receive the messages of the spirit.
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That is where we don't realise we're looking for all of these
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answers, not realising that it's basically attempting to reach
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us. It's attempting to send it's
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messaging to us through these experiences.
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And those experiences have been set out for us before we even
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took our human form. It was a contract we decided to
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embark on. And that those soul contracts,
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those covenants that we've agreed to, we can go into them
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kicking and screaming. We can go into them going, oh,
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poor me. Self pity was my, my specialty.
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I, you know, self pity was a really big one for me.
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Actually. Self pity takes us so far away
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from the powerful gratitude and grace of that experience.
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And I'm not saying we can't be superhuman in the sense that of
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course we're going to have feelings about things.
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We're going to go through grief, We're going to shed tears.
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But those tears are actually each tier that we shared is
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being witnessed as a way for the divinity to press into us and
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and continuously soften us and guide us.
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Because if we didn't, we would be hardened to it.
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Yeah. We wouldn't be able to hear it.
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We wouldn't have the. We would have a very
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unfulfilling existence. And I believe some of us are
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having perhaps less fulfilling existences than what we could
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have. This is about us enjoying the
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blessings that life has. And that joyousness is there
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even in the most difficult circumstances.
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So that's where we know the Holy Spirit's actually at its peak is
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when we're on the floor. We've we've considered suicide
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because things have gotten that bad.
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And there's a strange but eerie reassurance and sense of peace
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and sense of righteousness and alignment that says actually,
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this was always going to be this is, this was always going to
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happen. We signed up for this somehow.
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This was always in the plan. And there's something really
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comforting about that because. I think we ourselves a hard.
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Time, right? We think we're in charge.
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We think we're God. We, we create all these
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manifestation practices. I I don't believe it's good for
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us. You know, and and just hearing
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that right there is just so soul freeing in itself to know that
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like you went through your own existential crisis and you
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talked about, you know, that part where we hear so many
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tragic stories of people who do take that step that enlivens
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themselves. And you know, you went through
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that, that grief, that dark night of the soul yourself.
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Do you feel that if, if people come to know the awareness, like
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I mean, for people that are loved ones and they've lost,
34:03
it's kind of helping to know that, you know, that was their
34:08
path and that was their and, and cause so many people blame
34:13
themselves. You know, if something bad
34:15
happens to a loved one themselves, they'll look
34:19
internally to blame and connect themselves to it.
34:24
Where see that from that point of view, it's very much well,
34:30
this is their path, not yours. And then for people that
34:35
obviously come to understand, say for example, which is a
34:39
question by the way, the Holy Spirit and they are in that, you
34:45
know, very dark place. You believe them coming into
34:52
that knowledge of something far bigger and greater can actually
34:57
change things and and turn things around.
35:03
I do, but there's a really important part of this that I
35:07
didn't get until a year ago when I had my third major life crisis
35:16
and I, I couldn't help but ask the question, why?
35:20
What aren't I getting? You know what, what aren't I
35:23
understanding about this? I feel like I've, I'm a, a good
35:28
person. I feel like I try to do all the
35:31
right things. I try to help people and still
35:34
my partner leaves me in my year of menopause and he runs off
35:38
with a 32 year old and I'm, I'm like, there's something I'm not
35:43
getting right about this life, you know, And I need to know
35:47
because I don't, I'm losing hope that at the age of 52, I'm ever
35:51
going to get it. And if this is what my life
35:53
looks like, I'm, I just don't really think I'm that happy, you
35:58
know, I'm, I'm living for everyone else.
36:00
I'm living for my sons and my family, but I'm not really here
36:04
to do anything in particular. And this is, that's it for me.
36:08
You know, I'm, I'm a lost 'cause that's really where I was a year
36:12
ago in this heartbreak and a year ago, a year ago.
36:19
Yeah, it's, it's been 13 months this this month.
36:25
It was a huge turn around because of this one thing which
36:29
I believe was the difference, and that was that I had not
36:35
completely surrendered everything like I still in every
36:42
part of my life, I was still praying for things to go my way.
36:46
I was still praying for this to happen, for that to happen, for
36:49
him to come back, for him not to leave me.
36:52
Whatever. I wanted to push my will force
36:55
energy over the life force energy that was going to give me
37:00
all the blessings and I wanted to know better than what the
37:04
Holy Spirit wanted for me. I wanted to know better than the
37:07
Holy Spirit. I wanted to superimpose my will
37:09
force energy on that current of life and I was trying to push
37:15
and I was like exhausted and I wondered why am I continuously
37:20
feeling tired? And until I got on my knees and
37:24
I literally said OK, you can have it all.
37:28
I'm yours, I'm yours, I am fully yours.
37:35
I don't want to have anything for me.
37:40
I want this to be for us to relate.
37:43
You are my one and only source of guidance.
37:48
What the world has conditioned me to want, I no longer want.
37:52
I don't care if I'm poor and homeless.
37:55
You do with me what you need to do on the piece of clay.
37:58
Right now I'm mud, I'm dust. And everything started to change
38:04
and it felt like for me, I, I have been given the biggest gift
38:16
that it would be almost, it would be almost criminal.
38:22
It would be not right to not share that particular part of
38:26
the journey, which is where we can be so broken, but there's
38:31
still a little part of us that doesn't want to give that last
38:34
little part away. It could be shame that's
38:37
stopping us from wanting to be seen by this intimate friendship
38:42
with divinity because some of us have been brought up to believe
38:45
that divinity doesn't like the dark parts of us.
38:49
And, you know, we've been taught to be ashamed of, of, of aspects
38:53
that in a way, if we were just to be like, I'm going to have
38:57
the best friend I've ever had in this relationship with divinity.
39:01
And I'm going to tell divinity everything about myself.
39:04
I'm going to tell Divinity that I, I, I, I haven't wanted to be
39:08
here. I haven't wanted to admit that
39:10
to, to my relationship with the Holy Spirit before, you know,
39:14
And I'm going to just, I'm just going to lay it out every day.
39:17
We're going to have conversations about this.
39:20
Yeah. And and I'm not going to either.
39:23
I'm not also, I'm also not going to have an agenda where I'm
39:29
hoping to get something out of this.
39:31
This isn't what I'm I'm doing. I'm surrendering myself as a
39:35
portal or a vessel, and that vessel is empty.
39:40
And I think in the emptiness, that's what scares people the
39:42
most, is in the emptiness. It's a void that people spend
39:46
their whole life avoiding, not realizing that they're actually
39:49
avoiding the blessings. Yeah, it's.
39:52
Interesting that. That's very interesting because
39:54
in one of the techniques that I practice, we go back to that
39:58
void. We go back to before time, we go
40:02
back to before ancestral lineage, and we go back into a
40:06
space and a place of absolute nothingness where there is
40:12
nothing but love and light and you know, and then it becomes
40:18
everything because there is no meaning.
40:20
There's no judge, there's no, there's no anything.
40:23
So it's interesting you talk about that.
40:26
And that kind of leads me to, you know, just sort of prefacing
40:31
this with, you know, backstage, you know, I asked you the
40:34
question, is the Holy Spirit a man or a woman?
40:38
And I thought for Christians, that could be a really click
40:43
bait kind of a title, you know? And you know what you did say,
40:50
which made so much sense to me, it's a bit like going back to
40:54
the void again, going back to to that business.
40:57
And that is that there's no gender.
41:01
So, you know, there's there because then that would be
41:04
limiting, I guess. So when you answered that I
41:07
thought well it makes sense no matter even if I did believe it
41:10
was a male or a man and it came from Jesus and Jesus
41:15
historically was a man. The simple fact is that we are
41:20
placing a limit by saying the Holy Spirit is a man.
41:24
So you talk about it in a non gendered and you also talk about
41:30
the pranic life force energy and the breath behind the breath.
41:38
Yes, maybe we can. I know you'll be bringing this
41:41
into maybe the meditation we're gonna do, but can you talk about
41:47
how the Holy Spirit becomes that limitless midwife shepherd and
41:53
ability to be limitlessly rebirthing us?
41:59
Yes, and and that's, that's an interesting, and that's a
42:03
beautiful question too, about how it becomes a limitless part
42:08
of us, because that's also where our humility as humans is so
42:13
important. Because the biggest mistake we
42:16
can make in understanding that the Holy Spirit's working
42:19
through US is to take some kind of ownership and put some kind
42:23
of title over ourselves and call, call it, you know, being a
42:28
guru or whatever it is that we see are languaging around it
42:33
doing. And I, I actually believe right
42:35
now the holy spirits showing up more and more to balance out
42:40
this idea of the masculine and the feminine energies.
42:44
So when we're bringing that, that supportive midwifing, I'll
42:49
call it, into this world right now, a lot of women are waking
42:53
up to the idea of re languaging some of the ideas around how
43:00
this operates in our bodies as females, because a lot of that's
43:04
been left out of the religious texts that are so informative
43:09
and so truthful, you know. And so there's a, there's a, a
43:15
need right now, I believe, for us to have and share our lived
43:19
experiences of how it actually communicates to us.
43:24
I believe it communicates to us deep in our bones as women.
43:30
And again, it requires us to have a lot of stillness and a
43:34
lot of presence. And it also requires us to be so
43:39
humble because the minute our mind and the narratives and the
43:44
conditioning wants to step in and muddy the waters, we can
43:47
actually get derailed pretty quickly.
43:50
But the other thing that's going on right now, which is really
43:54
important to mention, is that a lot of this is being hijacked
44:01
and targeted by a, a, a degree of spiritual warfare that's
44:05
occurring on the planet. So when we come into this more,
44:09
you know, we come into this more like this frequency of
44:13
understanding that our, our, our alignment comes from that place
44:18
of complete surrender to this force.
44:21
We will be tested. Yeah.
44:25
We will be asked and shown temptations, I guess you could
44:31
say derailments. There will be people in the form
44:35
of very angelic messengers, you know, coming through people to
44:39
tell us how to go next. But there will also be people
44:42
actually working against us because it's hard for humans to
44:47
understand how powerful this particular ability to surrender
44:54
is. So we will trigger people when
44:57
we're actually operating in this space.
44:59
It will be very, very triggering to people.
45:02
And I think sometimes that can be misconstrued as, oh, I must
45:08
be doing the wrong thing. I'm usually such a nice person.
45:11
I don't like making people, you know, not like me.
45:15
But what menopause, I think the way menopause changes you is it
45:24
stops you from feeling like you have to worry about what other
45:28
humans think. Think anymore and you're a lot
45:31
more capable of receiving those messages about what the Holy
45:35
Spirit wants to do through you. And God.
45:38
God may care if it's really up to you and God what you do with
45:42
your life from from this point onwards.
45:45
Yeah. Wow, Oh my gosh.
45:49
Well, I'm going to bring you around now.
45:51
I, I mean, I could have this conversation forever actually.
45:54
And there's so many conversations within it that I
45:58
believe we need to open up on definitely on a, on a whole
46:03
different level. But I know that I'm excited
46:08
about what you're going to be bringing here to the, I guess
46:16
the meditation. So, yeah, I, I guess firstly,
46:21
just to kind of bring a foundation here, our audience, I
46:29
guess they may be dealing with shame.
46:32
They could be dealing with those issues that now that they've
46:37
listened to Lisa and listen to so many gold Nuggets, that it
46:44
may bring that awareness to you that just in that self is so
46:51
free. And you know, I guess the rest
46:56
is really up to you to allow yourself to have that divine
47:04
relationship with something that's higher than you, a higher
47:08
power. So I'm really loving what you've
47:12
talked about. And I know you're very big on
47:15
the embodiment and the fact that we do get disembodied, that
47:23
happens to all of us when we become, you know, disgruntled,
47:30
challenged or whatever that happens.
47:34
So in all of this, I'm wondering if because we didn't prepare
47:38
anything around this, what you like to bring, what you feel is
47:44
going to be, you know, innately what you believe is going to be
47:49
appropriate to bring to our audience.
47:54
Yes, yes, I would absolutely love to work with the, the
48:00
imprint, the visualization of rose medicine.
48:04
So the Rose is a really significant symbol of the divine
48:11
feminine awakening and, and the softness and the anointment that
48:17
we all bring as women. And if you don't think your life
48:20
matters or you don't feel that you're awake to what your life
48:26
purpose is, the Rose is a really beautiful meditation I'd like to
48:30
offer that will support women to not only come into their deeper
48:38
nature so that they can better tune into that intuitive
48:42
faculty. That is where the interface
48:45
between them, themselves and the conversation with the Holy
48:48
Spirit around. OK, where do I go next?
48:51
What is what are my next steps? Yeah, but also in the softening
48:55
of our Physiology so that we can actually access those deeper
48:58
parts of ourselves and stay in a state.
49:02
Do we have to ask the audience to be in a place where they do
49:08
not require concentration for this, or is it OK for them to
49:12
be, you know, driving a car and roll?
49:16
Thank you for. Speaking that, yeah, ideally I
49:20
would, I would ask the audience if they could please start to
49:25
turn any devices or distractions off.
49:28
If you are driving and you need to pull over or stop the
49:32
recording to listen to this at another time, that would be
49:36
ideal because what we will also be looking at doing is taking a
49:42
comfortable seat so that we can actually receive the impressions
49:48
of the seated position into our pelvis as well.
49:52
So if you're not already sitting, please take a
49:55
comfortable seat and please start to, if you feel
50:00
comfortable to do this, either soften the gaze at a point down
50:06
in front of you or close the eyes.
50:09
If you feel comfortable to close the eyes and start to bring your
50:17
awareness down into the body, noticing the breath as well.
50:23
Cool as you inhale and warm as you exhale.
50:31
And our awareness travels deep, deep down to the pelvis right
50:35
now. And we're tracing the points of
50:40
the pelvis that connect with the chair.
50:44
The pubic bone is at the front, the sitting bones are on the
50:49
left and right sides, and the tailbone is at the back of the
50:53
body. And these Bony points form a
50:56
perfect diamond shape. We're tracing that diamond shape
51:01
with our mind's eye, and we're allowing the breath to travel
51:07
all the way down to this diamond shape known as our peroneal
51:11
diamond. And in the centre of the diamond
51:16
we rest our awareness. And it's a visual awareness
51:22
where we place the symbol of the red rose.
51:29
It's a very Mary Magdalene symbol that enables us to start
51:37
to tune into a particular frequency in our bodies that
51:43
allows us to soften. And what we're going to do right
51:47
now with the Rose is we're going to train the Rose to open
51:55
completely on our inhalation, so that on the inhalation of the
52:03
breath, we're noticing the petals of the Rose softening and
52:08
opening in our mind's eye. And as we do that, we may even
52:15
notice the diamond shape around the Rose also softening and
52:20
expanding slightly, and the Physiology of our pelvis relaxes
52:27
into the chair. As we exhale, we're going to
52:34
release any tension from the body, like black smoke through
52:41
the nostrils. So just for the next 3 breaths,
52:47
we inhale and soften the diamond shape, we soften and open the
52:51
petals of the Rose. We see the impression and as we
52:56
exhale, we release any tension from that area, like black smoke
53:02
through the nostrils, softening on the inhale and releasing on
53:09
the exhale for one more long soft breath.
53:16
And then we're bringing all of our awareness now to the Rose
53:21
itself so that as we inhale and soften, we're noticing this
53:28
sense of expansion in the base of the pelvis.
53:32
And as we exhale, we notice the Rose slightly closing and you
53:38
may even feel the tissue or the muscles or the Physiology of the
53:43
pelvic floor area slightly hugging the Rose into more of a
53:50
bud like shape on your exhalation phase of the breath.
53:55
And we're going to do 5 rose breaths now so that on the
54:01
inhale, as the pelvic floor and the perineal diamond and the
54:07
Rose softens into full bloom, there's a sense of opening.
54:14
And on the exhale, as we draw and gently move the Rose into
54:21
more of a bud shaped sensation, the pelvic floor Physiology
54:27
lightly hugs towards the body. On the inhale, the pelvic floor
54:33
softens and relaxes and releases.
54:37
And on the exhale we have a light and gentle hug and lift of
54:44
the muscles. And the visualization of the
54:48
Rose shows us this beautiful sense of support to closing into
54:56
that bud like shape. And we're doing three more
55:00
breaths at our own pace, supporting this idea that as we
55:06
open and soften, we're coming into this fully supported,
55:13
nourished place. And as we exhale, we have a
55:19
recoil, a sense of release to allow ourselves to have the
55:27
healthy boundaries around our bodies so that we know when to
55:33
open and when to say no. We know when to invite and we
55:41
know when to create this permeable boundary, this
55:48
supportive sense in ourselves. And just taking one more breath
55:54
and letting the whole visualisation of the Rose gently
55:59
fade so that for a moment we're left with the essence of the
56:13
breath travelling deep into the body.
56:16
We're left with the awareness of being able to stay with
56:23
ourselves in full and complete presence in this part of our
56:27
body. And we also know that in calling
56:36
forward this Magdalene or this this beautiful feminine energy,
56:44
that Mary Magdalene was really supportive.
56:50
And she was incredibly misunderstood, but she was
56:58
absolutely powerful in her support of Jesus Christ in his
57:03
life, and she financed him. She was powerful.
57:08
She was able to move heaven and earth to allow for the
57:16
experience of the entire resurrection process so that no
57:24
matter how surrendered we become as humans, no matter how deep
57:32
the crucifixion, I guess is the the stigmata is the gift of this
57:41
resurrection is always possible and even better and brighter and
57:47
more beautiful and more in blossom than ever before.
57:55
And when you're ready, bring your awareness back into towards
58:00
the heart. Just take a moment to give
58:06
gratitude for the space that you've created around
58:11
reconnecting to self and to Holy Spirit.
58:14
And when you're ready, you can open your eyes and come back to
58:22
the room and feel yourself being completely aware of your
58:29
surroundings. Please don't start your car yet
58:33
unless you've had a few press and a moment to do that.
58:38
Yes, just come back in, come back to full alertness and Oh my
58:42
gosh, Lisa, that was incredible. I will be definitely listening
58:48
to that and I'd even love to share it into my pay program for
58:56
my people that come into the community.
58:58
I think that was just powerful. So I just want to thank you so
59:05
much. And we only touched the surface
59:07
today. And you know, I just really want
59:13
to say that this is a conversation we definitely need
59:16
to come back to the table with and we will have Lisa's very
59:22
unique and powerful and yet profoundly knowledgeable
59:28
services of how you can get in contact with this lovely lady
59:33
that will be in the show notes. So you can contact her directly.
59:39
You can follow her on social media.
59:42
If you are fortunate enough to be in the same city as Lisa,
59:48
then you can have that very powerful experience.
59:53
And now I understand because a lot of the mentors and coaches
59:57
have talked about this kind of, they call it a massage where it
1:00:03
is in that part in that region of the body.
1:00:05
Now I know so much more. So Lisa, what part of the world
1:00:11
are you in? So for those who are in your
1:00:14
city, they may be able to know they can come into your clinic.
1:00:20
Yeah, sure. So I practice out of my little
1:00:22
clinic in Bangalore on Mondays and Wednesdays and I'm in
1:00:26
Ballina also, which is the North Coast of NSW.
1:00:31
I'm very happy to do telehealth calls, although of course that
1:00:34
omits the hands on experience. But there's a lot we can also
1:00:40
address in in telehealth online calls.
1:00:44
And yeah, it's been an absolute pleasure to connect with you,
1:00:47
Terry. Thank you for facilitating all
1:00:50
of that so beautifully. So much thank you so much.
1:00:55
Sending you so much love and enjoy and we will see you on the
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