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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced God, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and Crew.
- 0:49S2: We have been talking about the five Senses this week,
- 0:53S2: and we have marched through four of the five.
- 0:56S3: Yes.
- 0:57S2: Taste. Touch.
- 0:59S3: Smell and hearing and hearing.
- 1:03S2: The one that we're going to look at today is,
- 1:06S2: I mean, they all have these nuances. But when you
- 1:10S2: think about references to sight in Scripture, putting you on
- 1:15S2: the spot, Jonathan, what comes to mind for you is there,
- 1:18S2: there are a couple different angles you could take, but
- 1:20S2: what comes to mind?
- 1:21S3: The first one that comes to mind for me is
- 1:23S3: when Jesus is reading from the book of Isaiah, that
- 1:28S3: of all that he's come to do, and he says,
- 1:30S3: I've come to give sight to the blind.
- 1:31S2: Oh.
- 1:32S3: And so that is, that is the first thing that
- 1:35S3: pops into my head. Yeah. How about you?
- 1:37S2: You know, I think the when I first started kind
- 1:42S2: of putting this together, walking by faith and not by sight. Yeah.
- 1:45S2: In second Corinthians, I think that was what came to mind.
- 1:48S2: So you're you're right that there are both references to
- 1:51S2: Jesus giving sight to the blind. He does that. He
- 1:54S2: does physical. He physically heals and restores the sight of people. Yes,
- 1:59S2: but the more important healing that he gives is the
- 2:03S2: restoration of spiritual sight.
- 2:05S3: Absolutely. Because we were all blind.
- 2:07S2: We were all blind. And so there's these interesting juxtapositions
- 2:12S2: of what it means to physically see, but not spiritually see. Mhm.
- 2:16S2: To spiritually see, but not physically see. And the invitation
- 2:20S2: to walk by faith and not by sight. When you
- 2:23S2: look at second Corinthians and I did a deep dive
- 2:25S2: on this yesterday, we are looking not primarily not to
- 2:30S2: the things that are seen. The spiritual life requires you
- 2:34S2: to look primarily, not to what you can see. Yes.
- 2:39S2: Second Corinthians four, verse 18 or verse 17. Let's start
- 2:43S2: with 17 for this light, momentary affliction is preparing for
- 2:47S2: us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as
- 2:50S2: we look not to the things that are seen, but
- 2:53S2: to the things that are unseen, for the things that
- 2:55S2: are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen
- 2:58S2: are eternal. And then just a couple verses down in
- 3:02S2: chapter five, we see that that we walk by faith
- 3:06S2: and not by sight. Because if you look around you,
- 3:11S2: the things that can be seen can be very discouraging.
- 3:17S3: Oh, goodness. Yeah. I mean, walk outside of the building
- 3:19S3: that you're currently in and you might find something discouraging
- 3:22S3: pretty quickly.
- 3:23S2: For the context of this letter or this in second Corinthians,
- 3:28S2: Paul and Timothy, the we as the we that are
- 3:31S2: they speaking of here, so much suffering and affliction. Their
- 3:36S2: outer self wasting away, inner self being renewed. Their tent
- 3:41S2: talks about our earthly tent which is being destroyed. So
- 3:45S2: it's this sense that there's there's a there's suffering that's
- 3:48S2: happening that is a threat to our physical bodies, in
- 3:51S2: addition to just the wear and tear of living and
- 3:54S2: the idea that we know that we all have an
- 3:56S2: expiration date, a physical expiration date, a time when God
- 4:00S2: will call us home. Yeah. But to be away from
- 4:05S2: the body is to be at home with the Lord. Right? Right.
- 4:08S3: It's a it's a good thing at the end.
- 4:10S2: So we're going to have a special Freedom Friday conversation
- 4:14S2: this week that I think you're going to love. We
- 4:17S2: have a listener. His name is Philip. We know him
- 4:19S2: as Philip. From what?
- 4:21S3: Aurora.
- 4:21S2: Philip from Aurora. Aurora is a western suburb here in Chicago.
- 4:25S2: And over the years he's called in on different topics.
- 4:29S2: He's shared a little bits and pieces of his story.
- 4:32S2: And I think you're going to really enjoy getting to
- 4:35S2: know him this morning. Um, he is suffering from vision
- 4:39S2: loss that he talks freely about, but he also talks
- 4:42S2: about the radical way that God has gotten Ahold of
- 4:45S2: his heart. After some pretty dark days, he's seen the
- 4:49S2: highest of highs as a very, very prominent actor, both
- 4:53S2: here in the Chicago area, but also doing, uh, TV
- 4:56S2: and film. He's had some pretty recognizable roles, but he'll
- 5:01S2: be the first to tell you that even though you
- 5:04S2: could see success from an earthly standpoint, behind the scenes
- 5:09S2: was a different story. You'll meet Philip coming up.
- 5:12S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
- 5:16S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
- 5:20S1: Moody Radio.
- 5:21S2: What a privilege to have a special guest with us
- 5:25S2: this morning. His name is Philip Van Leer. We know
- 5:28S2: him as Philip from Aurora, as we've had him call
- 5:32S2: in over the years. And we've really gotten to know
- 5:34S2: you a little bit, Philip. We I know a little
- 5:36S2: bit of your backstory, but I want to give our
- 5:39S2: listeners just a little bit of your profile for, uh,
- 5:43S2: over 50 years or so. Philip was one of the
- 5:46S2: most prolific actors here in Chicago. He appeared in dozens
- 5:51S2: of stage productions, directed more than 100 stage productions. He
- 5:55S2: also appeared in more than 40 films and television series.
- 5:59S2: Some you might recognize. Prison break. Chicago. Code. Philip, I
- 6:04S2: know I'm giving. I'm giving your highlights. I know that
- 6:07S2: that's not the thing that you lead with anymore, but
- 6:10S2: it just helps give us an understanding of kind of where,
- 6:13S2: how you got to the point where you're at right now. First,
- 6:17S2: thank you for being with us this morning.
- 6:19S5: Oh, well, thank you so much. It's such a blessing
- 6:21S5: to be with you guys. You know how much I
- 6:23S5: love you guys. And it's always wonderful to be on.
- 6:26S2: When did you get bitten by the acting bug?
- 6:30S5: Early on seventh grade, my seventh grade speech teacher, Vincent Popolizio,
- 6:35S5: told me that I had way too much energy. That's
- 6:38S5: another way of saying dude out, please. He said, I've
- 6:43S5: got something that you need to be involved in. And
- 6:45S5: that was speech and theater And from that point it
- 6:49S5: just it lit the fire underneath me.
- 6:52S2: Now that world brings a lot of a lot of temptations,
- 6:56S2: for sure. When you are, I mean, well before you
- 7:00S2: even touched Hollywood, just the the talk about the culture
- 7:04S2: that exists, um, not bashing it. Obviously there, there are
- 7:08S2: good aspects of anything. But what was, how much were
- 7:11S2: you influenced by the that culture?
- 7:15S5: Well, you know, the culture theater of performing arts, there's
- 7:19S5: a direct correlation between that and athletics. And I grew
- 7:23S5: up as a as a fairly good athlete. And there's
- 7:26S5: that adrenal rush that you get from the success of,
- 7:29S5: of performing well on the athletic field. You know, you
- 7:32S5: were a volleyball player. Your husband was an accomplished basketball player.
- 7:36S5: And so I found that same kind of rush being
- 7:40S5: on stage. And then eventually, when I got to television
- 7:43S5: and film that same adrenal rush that I phone from
- 7:46S5: competing and from winning? I found there from performing. But
- 7:50S5: unfortunately for me, the way that God wired me, that
- 7:55S5: I needed more. I wanted to replicate that same adrenal
- 7:59S5: rush and that led me down a dark pathway.
- 8:02S2: Yeah. And so I know you've shared with us before
- 8:06S2: that there were addictions. There were lots of unhealthy choices
- 8:10S2: that things that felt like life at the moment, but
- 8:13S2: were very fleeting and short lived. Of course.
- 8:16S5: It was the shiny ring that I was chasing, and
- 8:19S5: I just felt that, uh, I had walked an aisle
- 8:22S5: when I was 13, and so I'm never going to
- 8:24S5: fall too far away from God. And I kept telling
- 8:27S5: myself that, which is a lie. Yeah. Of course, you know,
- 8:30S5: straight out of the mouth of hell. But I tried
- 8:32S5: to fool myself into thinking, well, God knows my heart,
- 8:34S5: God knows my heart. And indeed he did. And he
- 8:37S5: knew that my heart had turned far away from him.
- 8:40S2: Mhm. So you were raised with a Exposure to Christian things.
- 8:45S2: Exposure to the church. So would you say that you
- 8:49S2: that it was a rebellion or. I mean, you described
- 8:52S2: what many people say, God. God knows my heart. And
- 8:55S2: that often becomes. It's translated into, I'm going to keep
- 8:58S2: living how I want to live. God trusts that I'm,
- 9:00S2: you know, I'm doing the best I can or that I,
- 9:03S2: you know, God and I are still good. Would you
- 9:05S2: say it was rebellion or deception or a little bit
- 9:08S2: of both?
- 9:09S5: All of the above, please. Okay. Not just from column A,
- 9:13S5: column B, column C. I grew up in a wonderful church,
- 9:17S5: Main Baptist Church in Aurora. There was a family church.
- 9:21S5: You know, my uncle was a deacon. My aunt was
- 9:23S5: a church secretary. My mom sang in the choir. My
- 9:25S5: other aunt taught Sunday school. My grandma was one of
- 9:28S5: the mothers of the church. I had relatives who were
- 9:30S5: willing workers and silent helpers. I know you know what
- 9:33S5: that's all about, you know? So yeah, it was it
- 9:36S5: was a family church. And I was involved, you know,
- 9:39S5: I was, you know, in the choir and in the
- 9:42S5: Young People's Ministry. And yet I walked away because I
- 9:46S5: found the lust of the eyes and the lust of
- 9:49S5: the flesh and the pride of life to be much
- 9:52S5: more appealing than sitting there on Sunday morning listening to
- 9:55S5: a 45 hour long sermon.
- 9:58S2: What moment stands out to you? As you know, Carl
- 10:01S2: talks a lot about a Y in the road. What
- 10:05S2: moment stands out where God was beginning to get your attention?
- 10:10S2: Did it happen in an instant or was it a
- 10:12S2: series of moments over time?
- 10:15S5: There was no doubt it would be back in 2000
- 10:18S5: when God started to get my attention because I was
- 10:22S5: diagnosed with diagnosed with glaucoma, and that diagnosis was a
- 10:27S5: slight wake up call. Not enough to pull me back,
- 10:30S5: you know, to, to my faith. I mean, that that
- 10:33S5: took a much more, uh, let's just say a much
- 10:36S5: more direct pulling from God. But when I first had
- 10:42S5: those glimpses, so to speak, of World Vision, it made
- 10:47S5: me start to think that perhaps this is a sign
- 10:50S5: from God that I'm going down the wrong path.
- 10:53S2: Philip Van Leer from the Chicago area, our guest this morning,
- 10:56S2: he is a a listener, a longtime listener, has spent
- 11:00S2: some time as a student here at Moody Bible Institute.
- 11:03S2: He got his master's, a master's from Moody. Coming up,
- 11:06S2: we're going to hear the part two, I guess the
- 11:09S2: second act of his story, act One, involved a lot
- 11:13S2: of pain, a lot of self-destructive behavior, even at the
- 11:16S2: height of heights, a lot of things behind the scenes,
- 11:19S2: using a lot of theater metaphors since that's near and
- 11:21S2: dear to his heart. What is God doing in Philip's
- 11:24S2: life today? How did he finally get to the point
- 11:27S2: where he came to the end of himself? More coming
- 11:30S2: up here. Freedom Friday. I'm Carl and crew.
- 11:34S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 11:37S2: Philip Van Leer, our guest this morning. He's a Carl
- 11:39S2: and crew. Listener. He's a moody grad. When a doctor
- 11:43S2: told you, Philip, that you had open angle glaucoma, that
- 11:47S2: your vision was at risk. That was the beginning of
- 11:51S2: a wake up call, as there were many, many things
- 11:54S2: in your life that were dysfunctional, that were broken, as
- 11:57S2: we all have experienced. That was just the beginning, though,
- 12:01S2: because you said it was a partial wake up call,
- 12:03S2: but it shook you, but not enough to really change
- 12:07S2: you yet, right?
- 12:08S5: Not at all. You know, 2012 is when my lovely bride, Heather,
- 12:14S5: she gave me the ultimatum. She said, either you get help,
- 12:17S5: you know, with this addiction, with this problem you have
- 12:20S5: with with drugs, uh, or you're leaving. And, uh, I
- 12:25S5: finally did get help and was diagnosed with severe depression
- 12:30S5: and severe anxiety. First time that I had heard those
- 12:34S5: words coming from the mouth of a professional. Um, that
- 12:39S5: May of 2012 was when I, the Lord delivered me
- 12:43S5: from from drug addiction. But as we know, some oftentimes
- 12:48S5: you replace an addiction with an addiction. And I did that.
- 12:52S5: And for the next three years, I really just vacillated
- 12:56S5: between inappropriate relationships and sinful action and emotional abuse. And
- 13:02S5: the Lord really got hold of me because of my
- 13:06S5: brothers and sisters at the church, at Harvest Bible Chapel. Uh,
- 13:10S5: Brother Dave Smoot in particular, uh, challenged me in front of, uh,
- 13:15S5: men in my small group and said, here's what you're doing.
- 13:18S5: Here's what you're doing to your wife, here's what you're
- 13:20S5: doing to your children. And more importantly, man, here's what
- 13:23S5: you're doing to God pretending to be a man of God.
- 13:27S5: And yet look at your life. And, and that shook me.
- 13:31S5: And it shook me to the point where I knew
- 13:34S5: I had to do some major changing. And we often.
- 13:38S5: And I remember this, and I know this, I was
- 13:40S5: at Moody Theological Seminary. We know what repentance is. Yeah.
- 13:43S5: Which is a complete turning around of 180 degrees from
- 13:47S5: your sin. And it's not dabbling or dipping your toe
- 13:50S5: or thinking that you can go back every now and then.
- 13:53S5: You just say, no, God, I am done. That's it.
- 13:56S5: I've had enough. Um, and it meant trying to rebuild
- 14:00S5: the trust with my wife and with all of my children,
- 14:03S5: not just the children that Heather and I had, you know,
- 14:06S5: but it also meant being able to look my brothers
- 14:08S5: in Christ in the eye and to say that thank you,
- 14:13S5: to thank them for calling me out on my mess
- 14:17S5: and then moving forward. And as you know from my story,
- 14:20S5: that was when God got a little bit more of
- 14:22S5: my attention with a update of my diagnosis.
- 14:26S2: Yeah. You have, in addition to battles with, uh, Your
- 14:32S2: the loss of your sight. How much of your vision
- 14:34S2: still remains, Philip?
- 14:36S5: It depends on. If you ask me or if you
- 14:38S5: ask my bride. If you ask me how I'm going
- 14:42S5: to say that I've got, oh, probably about, uh, 5%
- 14:45S5: of my right eye. And Heather will say, oh, just
- 14:49S5: don't tell that lie to people. You only have about 3% left. Wow.
- 14:52S5: Just let people know how blind you are. Um, but
- 14:55S5: you know something? I've, I've told people that that I've
- 14:58S5: said this to you guys too. You know, uh, Paul
- 15:01S5: tells us in Romans 818 that we don't feel that the,
- 15:05S5: the troubles of this world are to be compared with
- 15:07S5: what is to be revealed to us. Yeah. You know,
- 15:09S5: and I, we, I know that this is only a
- 15:13S5: season for me. You know, that's why second Corinthians, uh, uh, 12,
- 15:18S5: 7 to 10, you know, if this is indeed my thorn,
- 15:22S5: which which I believe it is personally, uh, and it's
- 15:25S5: helped me through this battle is that I know that
- 15:29S5: that in weakness, God's power is made perfect. And I've
- 15:33S5: been able to rejoice in this. And people find it
- 15:36S5: odd because, dude, how can you be happy about going blind?
- 15:39S5: I said, well, because the more sight I lose, the
- 15:42S5: more insight the Lord gives me. And so I can
- 15:46S5: rejoice in this, you know, because I know that this is,
- 15:51S5: you know, unlike job asking why I stopped asking why,
- 15:55S5: you know, as a matter of fact, I don't think
- 15:57S5: I really ever did ask why, but I jumped immediately
- 16:00S5: to God, what are you showing me? And how can
- 16:03S5: I use this to glorify your kingdom? Wow. What? What
- 16:08S5: can people learn about you from watching me deal with
- 16:12S5: this loss of vision?
- 16:13S2: Yeah. And Philip, I know that there have been other
- 16:16S2: health challenges as well.
- 16:18S5: And there's been a few.
- 16:21S2: And, you know, we there are battles that I'm sure
- 16:25S2: that you have privately to, to stay in a posture
- 16:28S2: of faith and a posture of rejoicing. It's people. People
- 16:34S2: will ask, how do you do it? How do you
- 16:36S2: not move toward despair?
- 16:39S5: Well, you know, there's you can make a choice to
- 16:41S5: be either bitter or bitter and and by the grace
- 16:45S5: and mercy of God, I've chosen better. And you can
- 16:48S5: either rise above or you can sink below and and
- 16:53S5: praise be to God that that I've I've been able
- 16:56S5: to rise above. You know, my life verse is second
- 17:01S5: Timothy one seven For God has not given us the
- 17:04S5: spirit of fear, but of power, of love, and of
- 17:06S5: a sound mind. But, you know, we sometimes say that
- 17:09S5: we toss it out. There's a wonderful passage, but we
- 17:13S5: really do have the power of the Holy Spirit within us.
- 17:15S5: The same power that brought Christ out of the grave
- 17:20S5: lies in us. And if we tap into that, if
- 17:23S5: we allow the Holy Spirit to permeate our hearts. Then
- 17:27S5: we are going to be able to rise above any earthly, uh, adversity.
- 17:34S2: It's so true. You know, when we when you take
- 17:37S2: in Scripture, we've been, we've been looking and talking about
- 17:40S2: the senses this week and second Corinthians four, uh, we,
- 17:44S2: we read about how we're called to not look to
- 17:48S2: the things that can be seen, but to the things
- 17:50S2: that can be unseen. And then that verse that many
- 17:53S2: have heard, we walk by faith and not by sight.
- 17:57S2: I mean, what do those kind of verses mean to you?
- 18:00S2: I mean, you're experiencing it different than somebody not in
- 18:04S2: your position, but the spiritual reality that that what we
- 18:08S2: see isn't the thing to focus on anyway, right?
- 18:12S5: Right. Oh, that's such great insight. You know, it's John
- 18:15S5: 1633 when he says, I tell you these things so
- 18:18S5: that you may have peace. You know, but in this
- 18:21S5: world you're going to have trouble. Be encouraged, for I
- 18:23S5: have overcome the world. It's like when I pray with
- 18:26S5: when Heather and I pray with our kids, and we
- 18:28S5: get to the end of the prayer and we say,
- 18:29S5: we pray this, father. And with expectancy. Yeah, because we
- 18:32S5: know it's already done. And that's really what you just
- 18:36S5: said about our walk of faith. We do walk by
- 18:39S5: faith and not by sight because in our case, this
- 18:42S5: upside down kingdom. Yeah. Is that believing is seen, not seen.
- 18:48S5: If our belief allows us to see the mercy, grace, power, beauty,
- 18:53S5: magnitude of God.
- 18:55S2: Mhm. Philip, I want to ask where where do things
- 18:59S2: stand with you in terms of your love for the theatre,
- 19:01S2: for the arts? So much of it linked to a
- 19:04S2: lot of pain in your life. But has God redeemed
- 19:07S2: that part of your story?
- 19:09S5: Oh, my. Yes. Yes, yes. Ellie, you know something? I've
- 19:13S5: told people that as my. I lost more and more
- 19:15S5: sight toward the end of my career. I unofficially retired
- 19:18S5: from the from the industry for various reasons. That's another story.
- 19:23S5: In 22, but toward the end of my career, when
- 19:26S5: I would be on a movie set or a television set, um,
- 19:29S5: because of my vision loss, I was able to focus
- 19:33S5: even more intently on my scene partner and all of
- 19:36S5: the 15, 16 people that are always on a set
- 19:40S5: that are in the background, which you have to just
- 19:42S5: focus so hard on making sure you're giving your scene
- 19:45S5: partner what they need. All those people faded away. Ali.
- 19:48S5: So all of a sudden, it was just me and
- 19:50S5: my scene partner. And I had this sense of calm. Yeah.
- 19:53S5: And even with, with theater and even my, my spokesperson
- 19:57S5: work and the things I do now, I know that
- 20:00S5: I'm doing it for the Lord. My work is unto
- 20:04S5: the Lord, not to man. You know, and I, I
- 20:08S5: remember that every time I'm either at a board meeting
- 20:12S5: or teaching a class or preaching at one of the
- 20:16S5: churches I preach at. Uh, just to know that this
- 20:20S5: is for God, and I don't need to be able
- 20:23S5: to see clearly to be able to share God's Word clearly.
- 20:28S2: Yeah. Philip, thank you so much for your time this morning.
- 20:31S2: You have become a true friend of the program. We've
- 20:36S2: gotten to meet you in person once for Carl, maybe
- 20:39S2: once or twice. But really, truly, we we are so
- 20:42S2: grateful for you, Philip.
- 20:44S5: I'm so grateful for you guys. I love what you do.
- 20:46S5: I love your heart for the Lord. I love how
- 20:49S5: many people are reached with the gospel. It it it's
- 20:53S5: it's it's awesome. It's just awesome.
- 20:55S2: If you want to read more of Philip's story, some
- 20:58S2: of our team here at Moody actually sat down and
- 21:01S2: did an in depth interview with him. I've got that
- 21:03S2: for you. If you just want to text site to
- 21:06S2: 800 555 7898, just text that one word site SIGHT.
- 21:12S2: I'll send you the link so you can read Philip's
- 21:14S2: story more in depth site to 805 Five. Five. 78. 98.
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- 21:27S2: You know the. Here's the reality. I want to make
- 21:29S2: sure that you are aware of. Particularly if you are
- 21:31S2: not in Christ. You're listening today. Maybe you've been in church.
- 21:34S2: Maybe you're checking us out for the first time. But
- 21:38S2: until you turn to Christ, you don't truly see things
- 21:44S2: as they are.
- 21:45S3: Yeah, you might think you see, but no you don't.
- 21:48S2: There are things that are only perceived correctly when we
- 21:52S2: turn to Christ. There's a veil that remains over our eyes.
- 21:56S2: We are blind to the truth. And you see this
- 21:59S2: all throughout Scripture. When we turn to Christ, that veil
- 22:03S2: is removed from our eyes and we are able to
- 22:05S2: see clearly the truth about ourselves, which is that we
- 22:08S2: are born into sin, that it's this idea of trying
- 22:13S2: to be a good person. And that is, that's a
- 22:15S2: prevalent school of thought that I just want to be
- 22:18S2: a good person.
- 22:19S3: Yeah. If I can maybe just outweigh the scales a
- 22:21S3: little bit more on the good side than the bad
- 22:23S3: I've done in my life, then I'll be okay.
- 22:25S2: Why does that so not the correct way of seeing things? Jonathan.
- 22:30S3: It's so not the correct way of seeing things because any.
- 22:35S3: How do I explain it this way? Our God is
- 22:38S3: a perfect God, completely perfect in every single way. A
- 22:43S3: little bit of sin taints the whole picture. This is
- 22:47S3: a little a little bit of a a crazy metaphor,
- 22:50S3: but I really can't think of a better way to
- 22:52S3: explain it. Okay, I've got a this is a classic
- 22:56S3: youth group metaphor, at least from when I was growing up.
- 22:59S3: I've got a little tray of brownies here that I've
- 23:01S3: made for you. Delicious chocolate chip. Would you like to
- 23:04S3: have one? Allie?
- 23:05S2: Uh, sure.
- 23:06S3: Yeah. The thing is, I put just a little bit
- 23:09S3: of dog poop in it. Just a little bit. I
- 23:13S3: like one one little thing I threw in the batter
- 23:15S3: before I cooked it. Just one. You want to eat
- 23:18S3: it still?
- 23:19S2: Absolutely not.
- 23:20S3: No, because one little bit taints the whole batch of brownies.
- 23:24S3: That's the way our sin works. We. We don't outweigh
- 23:28S3: good with bad. Because even a little bit of sin
- 23:31S3: completely taints our hearts. We cannot stand before God with
- 23:37S3: the sin that is in us.
- 23:38S2: We certainly don't want to.
- 23:39S3: And no, we do not.
- 23:41S2: We do not want to. So it is true that
- 23:43S2: the God of this world, Satan, has blinded the minds
- 23:47S2: of unbelievers at second Corinthians four to keep them from
- 23:50S2: seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ,
- 23:53S2: who is the image of God. So I want to
- 23:56S2: invite you today. If by the power of the Holy
- 23:58S2: Spirit you're able to see today, maybe for the first
- 24:02S2: time that. Wait a second. I think this is about
- 24:05S2: more than just trying to go to church, trying to
- 24:07S2: do good things, trying to live a decent life. This
- 24:11S2: is about acknowledging the truth about who you are, that
- 24:14S2: you're a sinner, that you need a Savior, and that
- 24:17S2: your Savior, the only one who can save your soul
- 24:21S2: is Jesus, the only one who can get you to
- 24:24S2: a place where you are in right. Standing with God
- 24:27S2: is Jesus. So any idea of there being many paths
- 24:32S2: that lead to him? Or as long as you believe
- 24:34S2: in something or I do believe that there's a higher power.
- 24:37S2: I'm paraphrasing a lot of things that I hear as
- 24:39S2: I just live in the world and talk to people.
- 24:43S2: Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
- 24:46S3: And very clear about that.
- 24:48S2: No one comes to the father except through him. So
- 24:50S2: it doesn't have to all make sense to you today.
- 24:52S2: But if you have in a moment of awareness, that, boy,
- 24:56S2: I'm not right with God. I need to give my
- 24:59S2: life to Jesus today. I want to pray for you.
- 25:03S2: And I want to kind of give you a little
- 25:05S2: bit of instruction because there's no magic prayer to say
- 25:08S2: or words to say or person that you need to
- 25:11S2: be in the same room with for this to become real.
- 25:14S2: This is a spiritual reality. When you cry out to
- 25:18S2: the Lord and say, I confess that I am a sinner,
- 25:23S2: that I cannot save myself, that I need a Savior.
- 25:26S2: And I believe today, Jesus, that it's you. One more
- 25:30S2: part of this I repent, which means repentance is a
- 25:34S2: 180 degree turn. The direction that you are going now,
- 25:38S2: like driving down a one way street the wrong way
- 25:41S2: in Chicago. I'm going a new way, I confess, I repent,
- 25:46S2: I believe today it's you. It's always been you and
- 25:50S2: I give my life to you. That's the honest cry
- 25:54S2: of your heart. You have that conversation between you and God.
- 25:58S2: And if we believe the word today, you become a
- 26:02S2: follower of Jesus Christ. Yes. And so I want to
- 26:05S2: pray for you, Lord, for the person today who's turning,
- 26:09S2: who is turning to you in that veil is being
- 26:13S2: removed from their eyes. You are shining the light into
- 26:17S2: their heart to be able to see the gospel, the
- 26:19S2: truth about themselves and about you. Lord, I pray that
- 26:23S2: you would give them great assurance, great joy in their
- 26:28S2: soul right now, Lord, that you would bring them to
- 26:30S2: a place where they can flourish in you, where they
- 26:32S2: can be surrounded by other believers. God, there's so there's
- 26:35S2: so much of a mystery here. God, you've revealed a
- 26:38S2: little bit God, but part of it, we won't fully
- 26:41S2: see until we see you face to face. But God,
- 26:44S2: we thank you. We thank you that you call us
- 26:47S2: out of darkness into light, that you allow us to
- 26:51S2: see the truth where our eyes have been veiled. Thank
- 26:54S2: you that you sent your son to die on the
- 26:57S2: cross for my sin, for the sin of the person listening.
- 27:01S2: And today we can have new life in you. We
- 27:04S2: thank you. We receive the gift of salvation today. In
- 27:08S2: Jesus name, Amen. If that's you I want you to send,
- 27:14S2: just send me a quick text message so I can
- 27:16S2: acknowledge you. So we can send you quick follow up.
- 27:19S2: Just text new to 805 557898, new to 805 557898.
- 27:29S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 27:34S2: Want to say welcome to the family. A couple of
- 27:36S2: you just texted new here in these last couple minutes
- 27:39S2: indicating today is the day of salvation for you. Today
- 27:42S2: that veil is removed. And you see now like you
- 27:45S2: never have before. Welcome to the family. 3719 last four
- 27:49S2: digits of your phone number 1288, 69, 95 and others
- 27:54S2: of you, if I missed it. My systems a little
- 27:57S2: bogged down right now, but God sees you and we
- 27:59S2: welcome you to the family. Coming up, I want to
- 28:02S2: get an encouraging word from another favorite of Carl and crew.
- 28:05S2: Her name is Susie Larson. Coming up.
- 28:08S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
- 28:12S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 28:14S2: Carl said something to me recently, my my dear co-host
- 28:19S2: Carl and I didn't know how to take it at first.
- 28:23S2: I'm going to tell you about it. He would he
- 28:25S2: would be totally fine with this. But not too long ago,
- 28:29S2: I found myself and my family going through a season
- 28:33S2: of of real transition and not totally resolved yet. Some
- 28:39S2: of it's still in process, so I'll keep the details
- 28:42S2: kind of veiled. But Carl said with great excitement as
- 28:46S2: he heard the details of kind of some tough stuff,
- 28:49S2: and he said, this is so exciting. And he said,
- 28:54S2: what a great opportunity to trust to see what God's
- 28:58S2: going to do. And I knew in my mind, yes,
- 29:02S2: that is 100% true. But Susie Larson, our guest right
- 29:06S2: now in the moment, I wasn't sure whether to say
- 29:10S2: thank you, Brother Carl, for those words of absolute faith
- 29:15S2: or to give him a little shove and say, I
- 29:17S2: don't want to hear that right now. Did you just
- 29:19S2: hear what I said?
- 29:20S6: I did. I love it so much. If you're going
- 29:22S6: to walk with Menla Carl, he's going to fan your flame. Ali. Absolutely.
- 29:27S6: It's like, you know when you're Noah. My soul needs this.
- 29:29S6: And this is why we need people like that. But
- 29:31S6: you're right. It's so hard because to trust God means
- 29:34S6: you have an opportunity to trust him. You have a
- 29:36S6: need to trust him. So I know God's with you. Ali.
- 29:39S6: I know he's with you. And I can't wait to
- 29:42S6: hear how the story turns out. But thank you for
- 29:44S6: having me today.
- 29:45S2: I so appreciate it. Susie Larson, well-known radio talk show host.
- 29:48S2: She's an author. Her latest book, More Than You Can
- 29:51S2: Imagine what God does when You Trust Him more out
- 29:54S2: this week. What does God do when we trust him more?
- 29:58S2: And why is it so hard for us to get
- 30:00S2: to that more?
- 30:01S6: You know, because the enemy of our soul, we have
- 30:04S6: a real enemy. We've got a target on our back.
- 30:06S6: If we walk with Jesus, and his goal is to
- 30:09S6: distract and derail us. I often say, if you're in Christ,
- 30:13S6: Christ is in you, which means the enemy cannot touch
- 30:15S6: your identity or your eternity. But what he can do
- 30:18S6: is steal your joy. He can destroy your fruit, and
- 30:21S6: he can rob you of your future reward. And he's
- 30:24S6: so threatened by those things that he will spend all
- 30:27S6: of your lifetime trying to do just that. So trusting
- 30:30S6: God changes the story. Trusting God not only honors God
- 30:34S6: because he's trustworthy, but it impacts your life, your story,
- 30:38S6: and how things turn out. It's you living like his
- 30:41S6: promises are true.
- 30:43S2: And certainly when it comes to trusting God, it's easier
- 30:47S2: in some areas than in others. That's right. It can
- 30:50S2: be easy sometimes to trust God for direction, for ourselves. Oh, God. What?
- 30:56S2: What career do you want me to have next? And
- 30:58S2: sometimes it can be harder to trust with, say, like
- 31:01S2: our our kids, how our kids are doing spiritually or
- 31:04S2: the fears or anxieties we have around that. Those, those
- 31:07S2: areas of trust that are harder to release. Is it
- 31:11S2: is it pride? Is it control? Is it just this
- 31:13S2: battle we have with the flesh?
- 31:15S6: It really is experience because as people are listening, they're
- 31:18S6: going to go, okay, I can trust him in that area.
- 31:20S6: Not so much in that area. And it really often
- 31:23S6: connects to your history with God. Because if you have
- 31:26S6: areas where it's like, you know, I, I, I know
- 31:29S6: how to trust him there. It's because you've won some
- 31:31S6: victories there. Typically you look back over your shoulder and
- 31:33S6: you're like, you know, God and I together have overcome
- 31:36S6: some things. And so I, I've, I've seen his faithfulness
- 31:40S6: in this area of my life. So I do have
- 31:42S6: some spiritual muscle memory there. But then there are always spaces.
- 31:46S6: If you're walking intimately with God and you're honest about
- 31:49S6: your story, there are places and spaces where it's like, yeah,
- 31:51S6: not so easy in this place. Why? Well, because God,
- 31:54S6: maybe it's allowed me to suffer. He's allowed me to wait.
- 31:58S6: You know, it's been a long time since I've seen
- 32:00S6: a breakthrough in this area. And it is interesting how
- 32:03S6: we can compartmentalize our faith. But he's still the same God.
- 32:06S6: He's the same faithful God. So just as our brother
- 32:09S6: Carl said to you, this is so exciting. The honest
- 32:13S6: truth is, it really is. If we can reframe our
- 32:16S6: battles because we serve the same God, we seem to
- 32:19S6: serve the God of the breakthrough. And so whatever space
- 32:22S6: you're in right now where it's like this, this area
- 32:25S6: harder to trust. And the honest truth is, God does
- 32:28S6: allow us to endure suffering. God does allow us to
- 32:31S6: endure delays, but our trust is forged in the places
- 32:35S6: of need. And so that's why I think it comes easy.
- 32:38S6: It's so nuanced. It's easy in one area for some
- 32:41S6: and not so much in another. And so the whole
- 32:43S6: point of the book is to build resilient trust, to
- 32:46S6: show that you are literally your best self. When you're
- 32:49S6: walking in the spirit, your truest identity is when you're
- 32:52S6: walking in the brilliance of walking in the spirit. And Ellie,
- 32:55S6: I know I've walked with you long enough to know.
- 32:57S6: I know you know this. Like when you are really
- 32:59S6: abiding in the vine, when you're keeping your heart before God,
- 33:03S6: you're walking in the spirit. You're your most brilliant self.
- 33:05S6: Like you'll pray for people and you'll say things like,
- 33:08S6: where did that come from? Or you're, you're giving encouragement
- 33:11S6: to someone and you'll have wisdom that you're like, that
- 33:13S6: wasn't me. You know, and that is walking in the spirit.
- 33:17S6: And I would say they're one in the same as
- 33:19S6: you walk in the spirit, trust not only becomes natural,
- 33:22S6: but supernatural. And it's why it's so important to make
- 33:25S6: this a daily practice.
- 33:26S2: You know, because many people you talked about being honest,
- 33:29S2: like there's where there's disappointment, where people feel like, God, I,
- 33:34S2: I trusted you and I still went through this really
- 33:38S2: painful thing. And I'm not quite haven't quite recovered from that. And,
- 33:42S2: and there's, there's hurt and there's pain and there's trauma,
- 33:45S2: all of which you have experienced. How has this looked
- 33:49S2: in your own life? I know we've we've gotten pieces
- 33:51S2: of your story before, but where have you found it
- 33:54S2: hardest to trust God because of the pain?
- 33:58S6: Yeah, such a great question. Well, you know, the obvious
- 34:02S6: one is my health. You know, and also there's just
- 34:05S6: been some things, some some private struggles that like you,
- 34:08S6: I'm not ready to disclose yet, but are extremely painful
- 34:11S6: parts of my story. And but in those places, I'm
- 34:15S6: reminding myself I serve the God of the breakthrough. And
- 34:19S6: my faith in the land of the living, you know,
- 34:21S6: is where it really counts. Because one day my faith
- 34:24S6: will become sight. And one of the things I illustrate
- 34:26S6: in the book, so every chapter has a modern day
- 34:28S6: story of, of hardships and messes and traumas where friends
- 34:33S6: have decided to involve God in their story. And then
- 34:36S6: what happened when they trusted him. And then each chapter
- 34:38S6: also involves a parallel biblical story. So I'm just like
- 34:42S6: helping you to build resilient trust. But one of the
- 34:44S6: stories I tell is a full circle moment. And how
- 34:47S6: God does this, he, without us even realizing it, he'll
- 34:51S6: bring us to full circle moments where, like Peter, back
- 34:54S6: to the charcoal fire. It's Peter in that place where
- 34:57S6: he denied Jesus around a charcoal fire. Those were very
- 35:01S6: common back then. And, you know, I'm super interested in
- 35:04S6: brain science, physiology, how fearfully and wonderfully made we are.
- 35:08S6: And the idea is that there were lots of charcoal
- 35:11S6: fires back then. You know, that whatever time Peter got
- 35:15S6: around to charcoal fire and that smoke went into his nose,
- 35:18S6: it served a physiological traumatic reaction for him. The worst
- 35:22S6: day of his life. Yeah. I denied my Savior, my Messiah,
- 35:26S6: the one that I was ready to go to the
- 35:27S6: cross for. I denied him. And you know, the enemy
- 35:30S6: wasted no time accusing and condemning him. You can only
- 35:34S6: imagine what for someone as passionate as Peter, what that
- 35:37S6: must have been like in that time in between. But
- 35:40S6: when Jesus resurrected from the grave and he invited the
- 35:43S6: guys to around a charcoal fire, I mean, I picture
- 35:46S6: Peter going, it's him! Like jumping out of the boat,
- 35:49S6: tearing off his clothes, trying to get to the water
- 35:51S6: because that's who him. Who he is. And isn't it
- 35:54S6: something that three times Jesus asked him, do you love me? Peter?
- 35:57S6: It wasn't to condemn him. It wasn't to remind him
- 36:00S6: of his failure. It was to recommission him. It's like
- 36:03S6: he had to reframe the charcoal fire experience. And I
- 36:07S6: want to say to you, if you're in the middle
- 36:08S6: of the mess that God right now is writing your
- 36:11S6: story in a way that as you trust him, you
- 36:15S6: will experience a full circle moment. I don't know what
- 36:17S6: it's going to look like, but God loves those kinds
- 36:20S6: of details. And I write about one in the book
- 36:22S6: about me having a full circle moment with my health
- 36:25S6: that literally buckled my knees right out from underneath me.
- 36:28S2: Susie, I don't want to let you go. Before we
- 36:31S2: get a couple practical strategies for the person. Your words
- 36:34S2: always resonate so deeply with those who, particularly those who
- 36:37S2: are dealing with pain and suffering. What are the practical strategies?
- 36:41S2: Maybe 1 or 2 that can help somebody today who
- 36:43S2: wants so desperately to trust God more, but they're just
- 36:46S2: not there yet.
- 36:47S6: I can't remember if I've talked about this on a
- 36:50S6: previous show, but another one of the stories in the
- 36:52S6: book I talk about where one of the gals, a
- 36:54S6: friend of mine, walking through incredible hardship. First she was
- 36:57S6: knocked over by it, but then she rose up because
- 37:00S6: she's a fighter, she's a warrior. And she formed something
- 37:03S6: she calls a battle box. And that's what I want
- 37:05S6: to tell you to do is get a battle box.
- 37:07S6: And that can look like a little plastic container with
- 37:10S6: recipe cards in it. And every time you find a verse,
- 37:13S6: which means if you're in a trial, immerse yourself in scripture.
- 37:16S6: Don't run and numb and medicate your pain. Run to
- 37:19S6: the Lord. Open up the word. Say, I'm not leaving
- 37:22S6: till you speak to me. And when the verses pop
- 37:24S6: off the page, or when God gives you like a
- 37:26S6: faith declaration, write it on the recipe card and form
- 37:30S6: your battle box. And your strategy then is to open
- 37:32S6: that thing up every day and walk around your living
- 37:35S6: room if you have to. Holding those cards, let your
- 37:37S6: ears hear your mouth say, My God is faithful. He
- 37:40S6: will make a way for me. My battle box has
- 37:43S6: both scripture and some faith declarations that I catch myself
- 37:46S6: saying a lot that literally not only builds muscle memory,
- 37:49S6: but faith comes from hearing. So when your ears hear
- 37:52S6: your mouth say, My God is good. His promises are
- 37:55S6: true and he will make a way for me. Something
- 37:59S6: changes for you and you'll know it. So that to
- 38:01S6: me is get a battle box. But I would also
- 38:03S6: say include some friends, some God fearing, fiery, praying friends
- 38:08S6: in on whatever you're walking through and say, can we
- 38:10S6: hop on a phone call even 20 minutes once a week?
- 38:14S6: And let's be honest with each other about our struggles,
- 38:16S6: and let's go to the throne room and encourage each
- 38:18S6: other and seek God. I'm telling you, as you do
- 38:21S6: this in community and as you own your faith and
- 38:24S6: upgrade the way that you show up in your battle,
- 38:26S6: those things will make a massive difference for you.
- 38:29S2: Susie Larson, our guest. Always such a treat. The book
- 38:31S2: is called More Than You Can Imagine what God Does
- 38:34S2: when You Trust Him more. Text goodness to 800 555 7898.
- 38:39S2: We'll get you connected with Susie the book. More resources,
- 38:43S2: just text goodness to 805 557898.
- 38:47S1: You're listening to Curl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 38:51S2: Did you know you can't always trust what you see?
- 38:54S3: Yeah.
- 38:55S2: Unfortunately, and I'm not just talking about the AI videos.
- 39:01S2: I saw this post yesterday and it was a I
- 39:03S2: follow a lot of sports accounts. I'm heavily into women's basketball.
- 39:09S2: My daughter is a high school basketball player with plans
- 39:12S2: to play in college. So I follow a lot of
- 39:13S2: these accounts. And so this college team had posted a
- 39:16S2: picture kind of they're wrapping up their summer workouts standard
- 39:20S2: and I didn't realize it was an AI. It was
- 39:23S2: AI at first because it just was like girls in
- 39:25S2: a weight room. And they were, you know, kind of
- 39:28S2: like doing the girl pose. They're all, you know, huddled
- 39:30S2: up together and sure. But like AI, which I, it
- 39:33S2: took me a minute had added like massive muscles to.
- 39:38S2: So it was like this celebrating the end of their
- 39:41S2: Summer workouts. Yeah. And so they all literally looked like
- 39:45S2: they had like.
- 39:45S3: Arnold.
- 39:46S2: Schwarzenegger.
- 39:47S3: Type.
- 39:47S2: Muscle mass. And, and so I looked at these pictures,
- 39:50S2: I thought, oh my goodness, what a strength. What kind
- 39:52S2: of strength training program is this?
- 39:54S3: It's like the monstars from Space Jam.
- 39:56S2: And then I read through the comments and I was like, oh, okay,
- 39:59S2: it's AI, but it didn't. It got me at first.
- 40:02S3: Yeah. I mean, that stuff gets tricky. I mean, the
- 40:06S3: AI is a whole new craze of that. But I mean,
- 40:10S3: you got especially with sports and things like that, you
- 40:13S3: have false reports out there that people just throw news
- 40:16S3: out there. You know, there was one because the Chicago
- 40:19S3: Bears or ah, uh, you know, they're they're big in
- 40:23S3: our town. And yeah, they're talking about moving to Indiana.
- 40:26S2: I know we won't.
- 40:27S3: Even get.
- 40:27S2: Started on that.
- 40:28S3: And a report came out just before they had a
- 40:30S3: big press conference yesterday that, you know, they're possibly going
- 40:34S3: to move to the name the Indiana Bears. And people
- 40:37S3: started going with that for a little bit. Yeah. And, uh,
- 40:40S3: and obviously that report is very fake. They're not doing that. And,
- 40:44S3: but people bit to it for a minute and we're
- 40:47S3: having discussions about it and it's like, nope, that ain't real.
- 40:50S3: Someone's lying.
- 40:51S2: It's harder to trust. And so when my kids will
- 40:54S2: tell me something, especially my son, because he likes to
- 40:57S2: watch these YouTube shorts. So give me a piece of information.
- 41:00S2: And the first thing I ask is, where did you
- 41:02S2: where did you hear? Where did you hear this? And
- 41:04S2: if it's something on YouTube, like you need to question
- 41:09S2: everything when it comes to these kind of news stories
- 41:13S2: or interesting discoveries. And there's some good content. Sure, good
- 41:18S2: learning that can happen on YouTube, but just double.
- 41:20S3: I mean, double check everything you hear. Go check multiple
- 41:22S3: sites to make sure what you're hearing is right.
- 41:24S2: Make sure you're getting good sources. Here's another, here's another one.
- 41:27S2: And this is just kind of a practical piece of
- 41:31S2: advice before you share something that seems sensational or really
- 41:37S2: interesting on your social media. If you share articles and
- 41:41S2: things like say, on Facebook or on x slash Twitter,
- 41:46S2: make sure that it's a real article.
- 41:49S3: Yes.
- 41:50S2: I mean, because there's a lot out there, especially we're
- 41:52S2: so in a polarized, divided, political charged environment. There's a
- 42:00S2: lot that gets shared out there. Kind of like throwing
- 42:02S2: red meat to lions 100%. I had someone send me
- 42:07S2: something and it was it was a video. And this
- 42:11S2: person was absolutely outraged by this video and wanted me
- 42:15S2: to see it, to see what I thought of it. And,
- 42:17S2: and I looked at it and I, I lovingly texted
- 42:21S2: them back and said, hey, this is actually like, this
- 42:23S2: is not real. Like, if this was true, I'd be
- 42:26S2: outraged with you. But thankfully, this is totally fabricated.
- 42:30S3: Yeah, totally.
- 42:32S2: But it's getting harder and harder to tell.
- 42:34S3: Very, very hard to tell. I mean, you can replicate
- 42:36S3: faces of people who aren't even in the video.
- 42:39S2: Yeah, you can create that. Have you seen these, like
- 42:42S2: fake press conferences where they'll have their they will manipulate
- 42:47S2: to have somebody saying something that they absolutely didn't say.
- 42:50S3: Yeah, absolutely. There's a, there's a whole Twitter channel about
- 42:52S3: it's called like AI press conferences or something like that.
- 42:55S3: And they just, I mean, and they're, they're obviously announcing
- 42:57S3: that they're fake. So it's a, you know, it's a thing,
- 43:01S3: it's a joke in a very open joke. But yeah, no,
- 43:03S3: there's people who just do that to try and trick you.
- 43:05S2: It's getting harder to tell. Here's the spiritual reality, though.
- 43:09S2: What you see is only part of the story. The
- 43:14S2: seen physical reality has to be viewed in light of
- 43:18S2: the eternal spiritual perspective. I've been looking at second Corinthians,
- 43:24S2: spent a lot of time in second Corinthians yesterday, and
- 43:27S2: we see this so we do not lose heart. Though
- 43:30S2: our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is
- 43:33S2: being renewed day by day. For this light, momentary affliction
- 43:36S2: is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond
- 43:39S2: all comparison, as we look not to the things that
- 43:42S2: are seen, but to the things that are unseen. For
- 43:45S2: the things that are seen are transient, but the things
- 43:48S2: that are unseen are eternal. Then when you continue on
- 43:51S2: in chapter five, we see that we walk by faith,
- 43:54S2: not by sight. And so there's some there's a compare
- 43:57S2: and contrast that's throughout these couple verses of the reality
- 44:03S2: that we can see versus what we cannot see, but
- 44:06S2: is totally true. So our outer self is wasting away.
- 44:09S2: True for all of us. We're getting older. Bodies start
- 44:13S2: to break down. You start to feel that more and
- 44:16S2: more feels like it's accelerating as you hit middle age.
- 44:19S2: That's the physical reality. But the spiritual reality that we
- 44:22S2: can't see is that our inner self is being renewed
- 44:25S2: day by day. Verse 17. The physical reality that we
- 44:29S2: can see well, the light and momentary affliction. Or how
- 44:33S2: about just the affliction? Because it doesn't always feel light
- 44:35S2: and momentary, right? But the spiritual reality, the unseen, is
- 44:39S2: that it's preparing for us an eternal weight of glory
- 44:42S2: beyond all comparison. Chapter five. Our earthly home. The tent
- 44:47S2: that we live in, our bodies being destroyed. But spiritual reality.
- 44:54S2: There's a building from God. We have a building from God.
- 44:57S2: A house not made with hands eternal in the heavens.
- 45:00S2: That's being prepared for us. We groan in this tent,
- 45:04S2: these bodies physical reality. But we're not. That's not the
- 45:11S2: end of our story. He's preparing something better for us.
- 45:16S2: So we stay of good courage. We are always of
- 45:18S2: good courage. Now, chapter five, verse six, we know that
- 45:21S2: while we are at home in the body, we are
- 45:24S2: away from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not
- 45:27S2: by sight. How's your faith walking? today is the unseen things.
- 45:32S2: The eternal things. Is that at the forefront of your
- 45:35S2: mind today?
- 45:36S1: You're listening to Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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- 45:47S2: our spiritual life, how we see them in Scripture. If
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- 46:06S2: heard Carl this week. He had some pre planned time off,
- 46:09S2: but his, uh, he's planning to be back with us
- 46:11S2: on Monday so no worries there. He's doing great. Coming
- 46:15S2: up we're going to talk about journaling. And before you
- 46:18S2: dismiss this as something totally not for you, did you
- 46:21S2: know that journaling is not just about the floral notebook
- 46:25S2: and it's not just a woman thing. It's not just
- 46:27S2: a middle aged woman thing or a teenage thing. And
- 46:30S2: it's not like keeping a diary. What is journaling and
- 46:34S2: how could it benefit you in your spiritual life today?
- 46:38S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stand for anything you
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- 46:45S1: curl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 46:48S2: Well, grab your notebooks. We're going to talk about journaling.
- 46:51S2: But before you decide, I don't want to listen to
- 46:53S2: this conversation because I'm not a journaler. You're only picturing
- 46:56S2: a floral notebook and colored pens in a quiet corner
- 47:00S2: and a cup of coffee. And my guest here is
- 47:02S2: going to dispel a lot of myths. It's not just
- 47:05S2: for one type of person. Alison Bixby journaling has great
- 47:10S2: value even for the quote unquote non journaler, right?
- 47:14S7: Absolutely. 100%. I love to tell people journaling is actually
- 47:18S7: a science backed practice. So it's not just this fluffy
- 47:23S7: pie in the sky dreamer kind of hobby, but it
- 47:26S7: actually has real benefit and can help us heal in
- 47:29S7: some significant ways.
- 47:30S2: And I know that it's done that for you. Tell
- 47:32S2: us a little bit about your own story and why
- 47:35S2: journaling became such an impactful part of it.
- 47:38S7: Yeah. Well, to be fair, I have journaled my whole
- 47:41S7: life because I love writing. Um, but in my 30s,
- 47:44S7: our oldest son was diagnosed with a rare genetic disorder
- 47:48S7: that just turned our world upside down in a way
- 47:51S7: I had not experienced before. I felt very disconnected from God.
- 47:56S7: And so I did what I always do. I journaled, um,
- 47:59S7: and then in that season though, what was different is
- 48:01S7: I really felt as if God was meeting me in
- 48:04S7: that journaling, um, in that honest, just kind of questioning, God,
- 48:08S7: who are you? What are you doing? Why did you
- 48:11S7: allow this to be a part of our story? Um,
- 48:14S7: and as I noticed that I was healing through that
- 48:18S7: writing as I was reconnecting to God through journaling, um,
- 48:21S7: I began to think, you know what? I bet you
- 48:23S7: I could help other people find a way to put
- 48:25S7: pen to page in the same kind of ways that
- 48:27S7: will connect their hearts to God and help them walk
- 48:31S7: forward and some healing. So that's where the passion comes from.
- 48:34S2: Yeah. Allison has authored a book called journaling as a
- 48:37S2: Spiritual Practice. You talked about the scientific backing of of journaling.
- 48:43S2: Tell me a little bit more about that.
- 48:44S7: Yeah, it's really interesting. Um, some of the studies have
- 48:48S7: shown that people who journal actually have end up with
- 48:52S7: fewer doctor's visits. They have better medical, uh, physical reports.
- 48:56S7: When they do go to the doctor, it lowers all
- 48:59S7: kinds of stress levels. So there are those real benefits
- 49:02S7: that we experience. And I, it's really because we're giving
- 49:05S7: all of these things running around inside our minds a
- 49:08S7: place to live and a way to process those things,
- 49:12S7: because otherwise they just stay stuffed down. And we know
- 49:15S7: that emotionally and even physically, when we don't process what
- 49:18S7: we're experiencing and what we're thinking and what we're feeling,
- 49:23S7: that it just kind of runs amok in our bodies.
- 49:25S2: You know, some people grew up maybe keeping a diary.
- 49:29S2: If you had a little brother, you probably kept a
- 49:31S2: lock on that diary so that he couldn't get a
- 49:34S2: peek into your deepest thoughts. And for most of us,
- 49:38S2: we would really prefer those things to be thrown into
- 49:41S2: a campfire somewhere, never to meet the light of day.
- 49:46S2: Is journaling the same as keeping a diary? Like as
- 49:49S2: a kid, where I'm just kind of writing down everything
- 49:52S2: that happened in my day. And or is it something deeper?
- 49:56S7: Yeah, I think there is a difference and both have
- 49:59S7: their place. I certainly was a Dear Diary kid growing up.
- 50:02S7: I had an older sister that I made sure could
- 50:04S7: never find my diary. Yes. Um, but journaling, especially as
- 50:08S7: a spiritual practice for me, is about a conversation between
- 50:13S7: myself and the Lord. So I'm doing a lot of listening. Yes,
- 50:16S7: I'm writing, but I'm also listening to, um, to the
- 50:20S7: Holy Spirit and to what the Lord is saying to
- 50:22S7: me in response to the things that I'm writing down.
- 50:26S2: Are there things that you found it easier to write
- 50:29S2: than to say out loud?
- 50:30S7: Oh, absolutely. Um, sometimes it's really hard to say the,
- 50:35S7: the difficult things out loud, the things that you're like,
- 50:37S7: oh man, if anybody knew I thought this or felt
- 50:39S7: this or had this question, I would really get judged. Um,
- 50:43S7: but you know, if we can keep our journals protected,
- 50:46S7: we know that nobody else is ever going to read
- 50:48S7: those things. Um, and so it becomes that safe place
- 50:51S7: to put it. Um, and, and it's sometimes just being
- 50:54S7: able to put words to those hard things is in
- 50:58S7: itself an act of worship, I think.
- 51:00S2: I agree with you because, you know, I think we've
- 51:02S2: all experienced the thoughts that were like, I am horrified
- 51:07S2: that this thought is even in my mind, you know,
- 51:09S2: or this that I'm feeling this. And it feels very
- 51:13S2: scary to, to utter it, you know, and we should
- 51:17S2: have no fear. We can come boldly before the throne
- 51:20S2: of grace to receive mercy in our time of need.
- 51:22S2: But it feels very intimidating. And is that like, is
- 51:26S2: it a need to kind of shed sort of the
- 51:28S2: christianese or the nice Christian upbringing and get raw and
- 51:33S2: real with God? Uh, journaling certainly can be a part
- 51:36S2: of that, right?
- 51:37S7: Oh, gosh. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, look at job, look
- 51:40S7: at the Psalms. We have examples in scriptures of people
- 51:44S7: being incredibly honest with God about their fears, their anger,
- 51:48S7: their frustrations, their grief. And honestly, until we can get
- 51:53S7: really honest with the Lord, I have found it's hard
- 51:56S7: to go deeper. It's hard to abide with somebody that
- 51:59S7: you're not being very honest with. Right? And he already
- 52:03S7: knows our thoughts. And so a lot of times, really,
- 52:06S7: that act of journaling is about taking ownership of those.
- 52:10S7: And here's the thing, um, what I have always consistently
- 52:13S7: been met with when I do own those really kind
- 52:16S7: of maybe ugly or hard or scary things because I.
- 52:19S7: I am met with grace. I am met with God's
- 52:21S7: grace again and again and again. Um, he never has
- 52:24S7: come to me in a condemning, um, harsh way. He
- 52:28S7: just comes to me with his love, his mercy, his truth. Right.
- 52:31S7: Which sometimes can feel a little like, oh, okay. Ouch.
- 52:34S7: But you're right. Um, and that's, I think that's the difference.
- 52:37S7: That for me has helped dispel some of that fear.
- 52:40S7: And occasionally I rip those pages out and burn them in,
- 52:42S7: you know, the fire pit, because I don't want anybody. Yeah.
- 52:45S7: Anybody seeing them. But yeah.
- 52:47S2: What is a good starting place for somebody who's or people,
- 52:51S2: some people listening and they've been journaling for a while.
- 52:53S2: This is an encouragement. But for the person who had
- 52:56S2: never really considered it but is maybe intrigued, what's a
- 53:00S2: good starting place? What? Get a notebook and a pen.
- 53:03S2: Sit down and just what?
- 53:06S7: That's a great question. Um, I tell people, especially those
- 53:10S7: who have not done maybe a lot of journaling before,
- 53:13S7: is and this might sound silly, but set yourself a
- 53:16S7: five minute timer and start writing. You could start writing
- 53:20S7: about your day. So kind of that Dear Diary approach
- 53:22S7: sometimes that's a nice gateway into some of the more
- 53:25S7: deeper processing. Sure. And then one of my favorite questions
- 53:28S7: is simply to ask God, where did I see you today?
- 53:32S7: Where did I see you show up in Scripture? Where
- 53:34S7: did I see you or sense your presence in my
- 53:37S7: own life? Where did I see you? Working in somebody
- 53:40S7: else's life. And that opens up a whole lot of
- 53:43S7: possibilities that help us become more aware of God's active
- 53:47S7: work and presence all around us.
- 53:49S2: Yeah. You know, we talked about a lot about journaling
- 53:52S2: the hard emotions, but there's something powerful about writing down
- 53:55S2: the places where you see God move. And because it
- 53:59S2: was so easy to forget and I've had, you know,
- 54:01S2: I used to go back through my journals, New Year's Eve.
- 54:04S2: It was kind of my thing. I would go and
- 54:06S2: read through, kind of skim a whole year's worth of,
- 54:09S2: of journal entries, and I would be reminded of all
- 54:12S2: kinds of things that God had done. And so recounting
- 54:15S2: those memories and having a place for those to live
- 54:18S2: because we're so forgetful.
- 54:20S7: Yes. Right. Frankly, these are things I've forgotten even happened.
- 54:24S7: I am often in awe of like, oh, that's right.
- 54:26S7: Last January, that thing did happen. That's the way that
- 54:29S7: God answered that prayer. And, um, and it's so good.
- 54:32S7: And the reason I really tell people five minutes because
- 54:35S7: I kind of get the side eye about that, like,
- 54:37S7: can I really do anything meaningful in a journal in
- 54:39S7: five minutes is I absolutely think you can. And I
- 54:42S7: am continually as well as others that I've talked to,
- 54:45S7: surprised at what I am able to unearth and uncover
- 54:49S7: and write down and even just five minutes so that
- 54:52S7: I can kind of break that idea that journaling has
- 54:54S7: to be hours or pages upon pages of my time.
- 54:58S2: Yeah. Allison Bixby, our guest author of journaling as a
- 55:01S2: Spiritual Practice text journal to 805 557898. We'll get you
- 55:07S2: linked up. Just text journal to 805 557898.