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I Am All In…Again: Still the Place (Season 2, Episode 6 “Presenting Lorelai Gilmore") · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all in Again. Let's you.
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  Speaker 2: I Am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one
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  Speaker 1: of them productions iHeartRadio Media. I Heart Podcast, Season two,
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  Speaker 1: Episode six presenting laurl I Gilmore Air date November six,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and today I am joined by
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  Speaker 1: three incredible women from a different TV universe. They also
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  Speaker 1: happen to be major Gilmore Girls. Fans. Please welcome Laura Layton,
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  Speaker 1: Daphne Zaniga, Courtney thorn Smith, whom you'll no doubt remember
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  Speaker 1: as Sidney Andrews, Allison Parker, and Joe Reynolds from Melrose Place. Ladies. Welcome.
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  Speaker 1: I am thrilled that all three of you are here
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  Speaker 1: to dive into season two, episode six.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for having us, Scott.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's a pop culture mind blowing situation. It's
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  Speaker 1: really fun. Okay. So Rory surprisingly accepts Emily's request to
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  Speaker 1: make her society debut at a Debutante Ball. But here's
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  Speaker 1: a catch. Her father, Christopher is supposed to present her. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Laurai decides to contact Christopher and ask him to make
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  Speaker 1: the visit. Directed by Chris long written by Sheila r.
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence Ry's Coming Out to Society. Emily decides to debut
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  Speaker 1: Rory after her dar friends express interest, seeing Rory as
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  Speaker 1: the perfect candidate. Rory agrees once she recognizes how important
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  Speaker 1: it is to Emily, but Laurai tries to explain the
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  Speaker 1: deeper meaning behind being a debutante. Emily is enthusiastic about
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  Speaker 1: preparing Rory for the debutante ball, ensuring she presents herself perfectly,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately reveals her regret that Laura I was never
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  Speaker 1: formally presented to society ladies. Given that Emily has not
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  Speaker 1: decided to debut Rory on her own, do you think
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  Speaker 1: she decided to because her friends believe Rory need to
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  Speaker 1: come out to societies. This was her chance to make
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  Speaker 1: up for not debuting Laura I.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I definitely think it's her chance to make up
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  Speaker 3: for not having had the experience with Laura I. But
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  Speaker 3: also she's in this episode, she's so caught up in
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  Speaker 3: like missing all this social stuff that Richard's been blowing
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  Speaker 3: off or whatever, so like she's so anxious to get
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  Speaker 3: back in the social scene, and it's just like this
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  Speaker 3: perfect opportunity. And I think It's so sweet that Rory's
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  Speaker 3: so willing to do something that would otherwise be against
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  Speaker 3: sort of what she would normally do, but just because
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  Speaker 3: for the love of her grandmother, right right.
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  Speaker 2: Is very funny.
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  Speaker 4: The larealized point of view of it all is very
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  Speaker 4: sort of is very feminist and modern day. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to be a part. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: you to be a part of this. It's like putting
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  Speaker 4: yourself out there, like you're for sale or something. And
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  Speaker 4: and Rory, her daughter, doesn't see it that way. She
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  Speaker 4: sees it like, you know, pleasing the grandma, but also
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  Speaker 4: like it's just an event. It's just kind of she
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  Speaker 4: doesn't lay all the layers into what it means actually,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in a feminist point of view.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, she says, other than the fan.
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  Speaker 4: Dancing, you know, I think she had in the fact
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  Speaker 4: that her dad showed up.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was all.
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  Speaker 4: So it's personal versus sort of meta, you know what
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  Speaker 4: it means culturally and society wise. So you see the
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  Speaker 4: different generations, which is cool. You see the mom, you
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  Speaker 4: see the you see the grandmother, you see the mom,
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  Speaker 4: and you see the daughter.
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  Speaker 5: All see it differently and it's so sweet because Rory
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have the intent. The mother daughter relationship is so complicated,
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  Speaker 5: and you see so clearly this episode that Rory doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have that like it'll make grandma happy, why not do it?
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  Speaker 5: And Laura I and her mom's relationship is so fraud
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  Speaker 5: And I haven't seen the show for a while.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe want to start again. From the beginning, and from
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  Speaker 5: the opening scene the two of them bantering, Laura I
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  Speaker 5: and Rory, I.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: The sweetness of their relationship, and because they're so connected,
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  Speaker 5: it makes her be able to say, why not do
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  Speaker 5: this for my grandma?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Because she's so loved and seeing I can't wait. I
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  Speaker 5: can't wait to start at the beginning again. This is
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  Speaker 5: reawakening for Gilmore girls.
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  Speaker 4: I never watched it in the pass so good to
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  Speaker 4: hold that against.
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  Speaker 1: Me, But I never watched this, and I had I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't either, since I didn't know it.
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  Speaker 2: Was Amy Sherman Palladino missus Masel.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: It was this brilliant dialogue.
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  Speaker 4: So every scene you're like, wait, I would I would
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  Speaker 4: rewind Wait what was that? And they're timing all of
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  Speaker 4: them really learned how to do this kind of wonderful banter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was really, yeah, we got very lucky.
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  Speaker 1: We got very lucky. It was really you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was really like doing theater, and you know, especially those
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  Speaker 1: diner scenes. It was like we we wouldn't do wonners.
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  Speaker 1: But it was like the cover of the Master was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if it's ten pages, and they're just like
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  Speaker 1: they set the camera in the corner and just let
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  Speaker 1: us go. And sometimes they're like that's good, we don't
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  Speaker 1: really need to pop in on coverage. Let's do it
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  Speaker 1: anyways to please Amy. But then we'd see it and
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  Speaker 1: it's like it just worked as a steady camera or wanner,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it sounds so fun, but it was
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  Speaker 1: like you can't write no, but it was. It was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the times it was really exciting to
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  Speaker 1: come to work because you knew you were going to
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  Speaker 1: get into the rehearsal and it was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to have we're gonna we're gonna you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to figure this out in rehearsal chemistry, right,
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  Speaker 1: And that's the fun of it. That like finding the
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  Speaker 1: blocking and they'd give you the time to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't just like hey, staying there, staying there,
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  Speaker 1: stay Amram's going to be there, all right, go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: go back to your trailers. No, it was like, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to figure this out together, and it was just
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  Speaker 1: such a luxury, and it was so fun to do it,
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  Speaker 1: and then to actually film it those first couple of takes.
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  Speaker 1: It was thrilling to work on that show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Did you have that though?
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  Speaker 5: Because I was thinking, like I was watching the scene
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  Speaker 5: when Laurels walking back and forth and Rory's there with
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  Speaker 5: their boyfriend and she's on the phone, and I just
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  Speaker 5: thought it, I'm glad you said theater.
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  Speaker 4: Because it felt like a play.
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  Speaker 5: But it felt like a play in that the timing
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  Speaker 5: felt so organic, as if it had been done so
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  Speaker 5: many times that people weren't even thinking about it.
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  Speaker 4: Now. Part of that is I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: How people got so many lines down so quickly. But
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  Speaker 5: do you feel like you had more time? Were the
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  Speaker 5: days just super long? How could you have time to
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  Speaker 5: hurst I've done a lot of episodic there's no time
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  Speaker 5: to rehearse, So how did you find that time?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 1: I I we demanded it, you know it.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, well, but there's only so many was it
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  Speaker 4: eight days per episode?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So here's here's the beauty of Amy Sherman Palladino.
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  Speaker 1: She gave us the time. She knew what she had,
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  Speaker 1: she cast it right, right, and she knew what she had.
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  Speaker 1: She knew she had these sort of high octane racehorses
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  Speaker 1: in the gate ready to go. And you know, one
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  Speaker 1: of the signs of a great CEO is they hire
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  Speaker 1: the right people, trust them, let them do their thing,
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  Speaker 1: don't micromanage, you know, and they'll bring you a result
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  Speaker 1: better than what you had envisioned. And I think Amy
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  Speaker 1: kept getting the better results, like wow, wow, wow, so
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  Speaker 1: we proved. And also her writing lends itself to that
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  Speaker 1: a pace and all of the you know, picking up
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  Speaker 1: the cues so quickly because that's what they demanded. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, you just learn how to do it right
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  Speaker 1: if it's if it's the only notes we ever got
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  Speaker 1: were faster.
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  Speaker 2: Go faster, amazing love.
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  Speaker 4: How with that same dialogue, the grandmother is her name, Emily,
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  Speaker 4: the character you know you can tell like she comes,
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  Speaker 4: she's been around, she's like probably legendary and she's probably
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  Speaker 4: done tons of theater and she does it a certain way,
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  Speaker 4: like the scene where she's fighting with her husband coming
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  Speaker 4: down the stairs. So theatrical, yeah, okay, well she hits
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  Speaker 4: this dialogue like it fits like a glove. And then
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  Speaker 4: you have you know, Lauren Graham, who does it perfectly
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  Speaker 4: in her way for that generation. And then you have Rory,
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  Speaker 4: that young actress who says it more subtly and sort
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  Speaker 4: of deadpan, but she says the same type of bantery
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  Speaker 4: dialogue in her own way, and it all three styles hit.
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  Speaker 2: It's so great. We haven't done the Diner yet.
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  Speaker 1: Know It's it's really in the writing. It's in the writing,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like you get this, you know, it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of black ink and very few scene descriptions. It
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  Speaker 1: was sort of naked for you so you could you
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  Speaker 1: could build it yourself. So it wasn't any sort of impositions,
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  Speaker 1: you know, lifts hands, but you know, it wasn't any
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  Speaker 1: none of that stuff except when it you know, you
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  Speaker 1: had it right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I just we were just so lucky and we
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  Speaker 1: get these pages and we were like, oh yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: it was just sort of like, I mean, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: done a lot of Shakespeare, but I've done a little
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  Speaker 1: and you know there's an emotion emotional because how am
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  Speaker 1: I going to memorize all this? Well, once you start
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  Speaker 1: doing it, there's this emotional logic to it. So actually
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  Speaker 1: it gets easier to memorize the more you do it.
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  Speaker 1: And Gilmore had the same quality, It had the same meter,
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  Speaker 1: it had the same rhythm to it. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like this music, as Lauren likes to compare it to music.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just great, Like the writing was so
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  Speaker 1: good that it was kind of easy to remember. Amazing
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't. And so because you think, like, how does
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  Speaker 1: Lauren do that? Right? Because you guys know you're pros,
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  Speaker 1: and you know she's like doing there's a chunka there's
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  Speaker 1: a monologue here, and then another one right after, and
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  Speaker 1: then another one right.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, how does she do it?
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  Speaker 1: She just because she did it.
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  Speaker 2: And because it's good and just right. It just she
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  Speaker 2: owns it.
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  Speaker 4: She embodies it. And I saw that in Parenthood. I
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  Speaker 4: watched every episode of Parenthood after this, and I just
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  Speaker 4: saw that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, she just knows how to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So we were in the very first week because we
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  Speaker 1: shot the pilot in Toronto, and then we will we
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  Speaker 1: then we were shooting at Burbank, you know, the back
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  Speaker 1: lot at Warner Brothers. Very first week, six am in
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  Speaker 1: the makeup trailer, Laurena and I getting ready to do
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  Speaker 1: a scene and they came in with an entirely new
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  Speaker 1: scene with twenty minutes beforeward rehearse, and it's ten pages
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  Speaker 1: and it's just black ink all over the place. And
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  Speaker 1: we look at each other like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But we did it and once, but once we did that,
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  Speaker 1: and we were both terrified. I think I was probably
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  Speaker 1: a little more terrified than she was. She was probably
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  Speaker 1: acting terrified to make me feel better.
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  Speaker 2: I love that when they do that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. But we pulled it off. So from that
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  Speaker 1: moment on, we knew we could do it and if
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  Speaker 1: we had any kind of time to prep, we'd be good,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I just I felt bad for guest
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  Speaker 1: stars that came in with big resumes and theater resumes
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  Speaker 1: and Broadway resumes.
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  Speaker 6: Man, it was tough.
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  Speaker 1: They would freeze a lot and just like look at us,
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  Speaker 1: like how do you do this?
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  Speaker 2: And wow?
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  Speaker 1: And it was so fast because they demanded the speed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the speed of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So being a guest star is so hard anyway,
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  Speaker 3: when you come into a really well established group, it's
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  Speaker 3: already terrifying, but like to have that demand, Like Scott,
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  Speaker 3: I have a.
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  Speaker 4: Question for you.
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  Speaker 5: So this is the beginning of season two and there's
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  Speaker 5: just a quick scene with you and Loralai and my
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  Speaker 5: love in the beginning, and I was like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: He's here.
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  Speaker 4: That's exciting.
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  Speaker 5: So when did they realize you guys had such great
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  Speaker 5: chemistry because here we're focused on Christopher in this episode,
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  Speaker 5: trying to remember where in the series they really started
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  Speaker 5: to go, oh, we have something here with the two
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  Speaker 5: of you.
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  Speaker 1: So I had a very easy path to this show.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have I was a guest star in the pilot.
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  Speaker 1: I had one audition and I got the job. That
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  Speaker 1: was for ten days up in Toronto shot it. The
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  Speaker 1: chemistry was obvious. My manager said, well, this is a
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  Speaker 1: chemistry check. They could replace you, you know if it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't fly right. So she said, listen this The pilot
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  Speaker 1: script opens with the diner, ends with the diner, so
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  Speaker 1: obviously it's a pretty important character and this is probably
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  Speaker 1: a very very impactful relationship to the show. And then
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  Speaker 1: they offered two shows and she said no, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what take it? Take it because I wasn't working. And
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  Speaker 1: then they offered four shows, and she called Gavin Palone
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  Speaker 1: and said, go get them a deal. Go get the money,
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  Speaker 1: go to Warner Bros. And go get the deal. And
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  Speaker 1: he did. And so she invited me to lunch and
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  Speaker 1: handed me an envelope said there's your six year deal.
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  Speaker 1: Why you're on the show?
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  Speaker 2: Chemistry a check.
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  Speaker 5: So do you think that they thought from the no,
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  Speaker 5: were they thinking of friendship chemistry?
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  Speaker 4: Are they thinking from the beginning this could be.
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  Speaker 5: A romance because they really let that build solely when
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  Speaker 5: you guys finally kissed. I think I replayed that scene
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  Speaker 5: ten times, like, for.
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  Speaker 2: The love of God, it was it was such a.
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  Speaker 5: Good scene, right, But do you think they had a
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  Speaker 5: sense that this relationship might be that or do they
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  Speaker 5: think friendship chemistry?
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  Speaker 4: Or did they know or did you know right away?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was always meant to be a
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  Speaker 1: romance thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well I think it shows you know the
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  Speaker 3: fact that the pilot was like the audience sees it
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  Speaker 3: already is like, oh, this is the cute couple that
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  Speaker 3: I want to watch, And then the brilliance of it
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  Speaker 3: is how long that they took to make it happen.
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  Speaker 4: We on our show, by the way, looking at you,
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  Speaker 4: Courtney with Billy and Allison, We've just finished our first
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  Speaker 4: year and we're like, when are you two going to
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  Speaker 4: get your act together and get together?
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  Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, yeah, you have to
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  Speaker 2: have a show. We didn't wait as long as you.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of season one were like, let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: Luke and Laurel ized slow Burn is like, but did
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  Speaker 4: you live with Lauren because we had that on our
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  Speaker 4: show too.
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  Speaker 5: You guys kept it professional, Andrew and I did not,
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  Speaker 5: but whatever, Oh.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, we kept it professional.
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  Speaker 2: For the record, you were in a small town. We
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  Speaker 2: were in Melrose Place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When I got the job, I was forty one, so
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  Speaker 1: I'd already lived life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah you're a grown up.
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  Speaker 2: You were a grown up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I knew, Like, no, you don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty smart.
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  Speaker 2: I did that in our twenties, right, I'm that's all.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just try that and see what happened. What's
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  Speaker 2: the worst thing could happen?
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  Speaker 1: I actually did. I did that on a pilot. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, and man, thank god that thing never got
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  Speaker 1: picked up.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a podcast right there, because it's just
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  Speaker 4: a bagon.
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  Speaker 1: Idea. Really, there's a lot of stories to be told.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of going there, Uh, Christopher and I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that they hooked up. I don't think they did on
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  Speaker 1: the show. In fact, I know that. But Christopher returns
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  Speaker 1: to town with a steady job and evolvo man but
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  Speaker 1: still rocking out the two yeah, I mean learns of
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  Speaker 1: laurela Is canceled engagement. Laura I asked him to present
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  Speaker 1: Rory at the DEBUTANMP ball. He agrees. They share a
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  Speaker 1: nostalgic moment Rory and Christopher, and Christopher even helps Dean
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  Speaker 1: tie his bow tie. Laura I appears to be glad
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  Speaker 1: to have Christopher around. I'm like really glad to have
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  Speaker 1: him round, and suggests he drops by more often, but
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  Speaker 1: he shares that he is, you know, ultimately at the
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  Speaker 1: end of this episode, like I'm dating.
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  Speaker 2: Someone, I'm living with someone, right.
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  Speaker 1: In true Palladino style, you know, wait wait wait.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, get a little kiss in there and then tell
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  Speaker 2: her huh.
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  Speaker 1: So, lorele I gives a fantastic model trying to convince
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  Speaker 1: Christopher to present Rory. Do you think having Christopher present
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  Speaker 1: her will mean more to Rory or to LAURAA, and
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  Speaker 1: is there a chance could mean something to Emily as well?
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  Speaker 1: The whole bring Christopher in the mix.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think Murray the most. It means the
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  Speaker 2: thing means everything to Rory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I love that line where.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: She's like, Rory says to her mom Laura Lai, so
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: he definitely said he's definitely coming and she said definitely.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Oh so there's a fifty to fifty chance. I don't know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: he's pretty sure. I'd say sixty forty.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: So that shows like how he's like bailed in the
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: past and you know, not very reliable. But it was
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: wonderful to see David Stutcliffe. I don't know if Laura
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Courtney's worked with him. I did a wonderful It was
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: great working with him on a Christmas movie and it
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: was so great. That's what I mean, Like I get
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: to see all these people I've worked with in the past.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: But I love that kind of like, you know, he
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: really does show up and you know what a flake
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: he's been in the past.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Right, But this begs the question, how does this absent
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: father returning only for the big moments affect everyone involved,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: both positively and negatively. You guys personally characters on the show,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: what do you think me?
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I thought it was hopeful for the future, like maybe
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: he'll do more than just just the big things. Maybe
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: he'll show up a little bit more, be more responsible.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: He has a car, he has a job, he has
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Now, where is it supposed
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: to take place? I'm sorry for the fans. I'm Connecticut,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: so it's not that far from Boston.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: It's an hour right right, stars Hollow, Connecticut. It's near Hartford.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: It's about twenty I don't know, maybe a half twenty
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: minutes outside of Hartford.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: It's Weathersfield.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I think in real life, Weathersfield is a town that's
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: probably about twenty minutes from Hartwin right.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's Washington Depot. I think that's yeah. Really,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that's the town that Amy and Dan visited and sort
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: of got this inspiration like these places actually exist, let's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: write about it. Yeah, Because I know when they were
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: pitching all of their ideas and scripts, and that they'd
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: already written to the networks every day all everybody passed
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: on everything, and then one day, I mean, the story
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: goes the legend goes that that. Amy said, well, what
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: about this. You know, we're just driving through this little town.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: It's a mother daughter, she's sixteen once thirty two, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know had her when she was sixteen. What do
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you think about that? And I said, write it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: We love that.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: So they got it so great.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it great?
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I think that like Chris coming back here is is
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: sort of dreamy like that was. I think the brilliance
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: of the writing is that even though we have this
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: like Luke and Laurel I thing on the on the
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: burner all the time, there's I think a brilliance to
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: having Chris b They have such good chemistry too, right,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and so it can be both for Laura I and
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the idea of being an intact family becomes really attractive
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: in this In this moment we get shots of it,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: like where all three of them are together, and I think,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you know, Emily has that idea of like, oh, this
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: all came together and for all appearances sake, my family
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: did the right thing, right. I've got my beautiful granddaughter
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and both of her parents and nobody fell down, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: nobody got drunk, and they you know, they they presented
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: it correctly. It was really Richard who was the only
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: one that went off the rails. But I just think
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that this episode was a really good example of how
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: they kept how Amy was able to keep other relationships
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: also appealing or a possibility. Like even though you know
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: we're rooting for Luke and Lorelei all the time, Chris
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: comes in and he sort of wins her over in
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: a really big way by he's got his car and
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: he's being responsible and he's done the right thing and
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: he showed up for Rory, whether or not you know
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: he will in the future, which we know, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: but do.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: You think he's really changed or is he just sort
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of presenting himself that way now?
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I mean he looks like he changed, and I think
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: that's the fantasy, right, like, oh, he will become the guy,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: the bad boy will be the good boy shows up
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: in a family car with a dictionary in the trunk
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: for the love of God, for his daughter, and he's
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: got a good job, and it's like, oh, wait a minute,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: he's become this guy who she could see as her husband.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: And in that scene where you talked about where she
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: sort of says, maybe you could stay longer. Lauren is
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: so good at being authentic and vulnerable in the moment,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: and you're so with her. And when he says, she covers,
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: but oh, the fact that she covered so well made
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: it all the more brutal because and he waited too long.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: By the bye, he waited too long she did.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Yes, he should have told her right away because it
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: left her time the whole episode to create this fantasy
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: and see him showing up, as you said, Laura, as
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: this guy who could be your husband and Rory's father
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, she had time to build this up.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: And then he waits, yeah right.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It's almost as if he's rubbing it in her face
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: as much as he can, and then delivers the final yeah.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's her in and then and then drops
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that bomb.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: But as writer, as a writer, you want the audience
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: wants to get sucked into that fantasy.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: So she's not going to like blow it by.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Him being responsible and saying nothing can happen because I
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: live with somebody. But I think, just as a writer,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: you want to fall into that. But I also think,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: like intentionally, I mean initially, maybe he goes, okay, I'm
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: going to show up it's the right thing to do.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: But then I think being there and the whole dancing practice,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and then you know, actually being there and bringing that
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: new dictionary for her, his bookish daughter, and being there
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: in the present time, I'm sure he sees that, oh,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: this really does mean something. It means something to me,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: me being here.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: So initially I think he's going through the motions, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: then he shows up and it affects him being there, right,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: And that's why I have hope, Like, and now that
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I know that Boston's like an hour away, Pops, it's
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: not like we're talking about across the country or anything,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: and he should then I think that he will be
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: there more often because it added something to him.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Right. So to reference the dictionary, it's it's it's from
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: an earlier it's from season one when he visited and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: he wanted to buyer that dictionary in Stars Hollow and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: his credit card had no money.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: His credit card even better than.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So then he made up for it with them.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: He's really coming to be a man.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, that's a very good point, Daphne. You know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the Paladinos didn't want to break the tension by giving
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: us that information that he had somebody, right, and they
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: sacrificed that character because he looked like kind of a jerk.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And you know, he is not well liked as a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: character in this whole thing. I mean, there's some people
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that really like him and they love the chemistry and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. But there are a lot of fans
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that hate Christopher. I mean, there's a whole kind of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a movement.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Is he like a debt?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I mean to me, he seems like a dead, dead
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: beat dad quote unquote too much.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a hateable character. He's a fair weather dad.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Right, and they know that and they sacrifice that character
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in that way. All right, let's get Let's get to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Emily and Richard. H Richard's in a snit. He's through
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the whole episode. He's critical of Emily's decision to have
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Rory come out of society. He's really, you know, acting
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: out of character here. You don't know why. Uh. Those
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: two are fighting a lot and you know, larel ized
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: enjoying the heck out of it. Uh. It's later revealed
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: that Richard is facing challenges at work. He's been removed
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: from an account he's handled for decades, and he's being
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: beginning to feel like he's getting phased out because, as
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: he said, he invented the phase out at his company.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: In this particular storyline, he is being phased out right
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: maybe of his job, passion, his careers, community, all that stuff. Right,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So while Rory's being forced into hers right, So do
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you think Richard watching Rory begin her life is adding
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to the sadness of stress that he may be losing his.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't read anything into that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I I that was a very touching monologue that he had, though,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: when he finally says to his wife invulnerability, you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: which is how you really need to communicate with your spouse,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: as opposed to the reaction of like fighting fighting, they
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: start out fighting fighting, fighting, And then I just thought, oh,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: he's really he's the patriarch, you know, and he's saying
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: they're gonna get rid of me because am I am
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: aging out of this? And his terror about that and
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: his whole identify identity with what he does at that company,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and I so I just felt like he was on
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a journey of his own fighting and then drinking too
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: much and pissed at everything and no one ever listens
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: to my problems.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And then he finally says his and she listens. He
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: looks at him for the first time. I didn't really
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: see that he was doing it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: In relation to well, he is sort of resenting all
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that stuff, all the social obligations. He just feels like
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that's you know, a byproduct of being this successful, you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: wealthy family. That social stuff is just so meaningless, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: how he's you know, diminishing the importance of it, but
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: like it's just not important to him when something much
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: bigger is going on. Their whole existence and lifestyle is
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: being threatened by his job loss and.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Stuff, and every one of those events cost him one
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: hundred grand, you know, or fifty grand, I mean, just
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: to buy a table to show up.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It's not just like it's a couple hours out of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: his life.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: It's expensive to stay in that lifestyle and he can't
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: afford it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe forgets such a huge shift potentially.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I was relieved because it's been long enough since I've
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: seen the whole show that I thought is he having
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: an affair because he was sort of discounting and separating
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: himself an edgy. So when he said it was work,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, thank god, thank god, is just
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: going to lose his job.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Oh thank god, he's just.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Going to lose his job.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: But I you know, you know, we're all working people,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: so we've been at that point where the money's not
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: coming in in the same way, but people have the
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: same expectation of you to spend it, and it's it's very,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: very stressful when you see money going out and money
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: isn't coming in. So I knew why his nerves were afraid.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: When he finally said it, it was like, Oh, of course, Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: It stresses out relationships for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's tough, tough.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I do think now that we're getting into that storyline.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I love where we end with Laura I and her mom.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that scene. It's lovely. It kind of
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: ties everything up. But did we have that with her dad?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Did we have that Richard that moment.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I know that he says what he's really feeling, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: we understand what's going on with him really why he's
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: so tense and being a jerk. But does someone ever
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: come to him and have a kind of like closing
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: that up and going we'll get through this or something.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I support you, dad, no matter what. I don't remember,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: isn't softened very often.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, right, I don't know. I mean I've only
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: watched it one time through in my whole life.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anyway, I like that.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think there I think there probably is. I can't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: want to say yes that I think that there probably is.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it actually does turn into everything that
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Richard was fearing. Right, he loses his job after this,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: and it's a big turning point into like what his
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: life is because doesn't he like he goes into business,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: he does.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: This whole Jason styles, Jason styles things. He comes in
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and like kind of kicks him out of his own company.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is really the beginning of a significant
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: storyline where everything hear, everything Richard fears, is coming true.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: So it is it's not just half for this up that,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: you know, there's always after that that threatening ending.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: There's alway is something else.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And now we're we're at this moment she comes down
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the stairs, she's presented Christopher's there. Uh, there's this camera
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: shot of the fan dance right from the debut, Laurels
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: standing and Laurel I standing in front of it. And
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: then that's when Emily says, tor that could have been
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you out there. Nothing is turning out the way it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: supposed to be.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Girls in our white ball gowns, girls waiting fans round
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: in a circle.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: It's so weird.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Here's my opportunity to smash my daughter again.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: It was so funny.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those two.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: But it is I love I love that that was
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: a really like heartfelt moment from Emily, like she really
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: was living out her dreams for Laura l I through
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: in this moment. But the irony of having the fan
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: dance in the background, for that, it's really because it's absurd.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It really wasn't a slam at her daughter. I think
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it was just real open, honest pain coming out in
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a moment and wasn't meant to hurt her daughter. It
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: was just like almost like some heal my pain somehow. Yeah, daughter,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Do you think Lorlai regrets it not having not gone
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: through that, Not at all.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: I think that she.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's a chasm. You know.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: What would bring her closer with her mother would have
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: been into all that Daughters of the Revolution traditional stuff
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: that they have, and even to be a you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: at this point, she'd love her to come to these
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: garden parties and have her own little you know, foundation
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: or something. I don't know.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I think the wistfulness is more like the relationship between
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Emily and Rory, Like that Emily's being able to have
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: this reallytionship with Rory and it seems sort of successfully
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: and it's like that that's a relationship that was missed
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: between Laura and Emily. And that's what I get the
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: sense of Laurai's wistful, her take on that it's like
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: almost proprietary, like, oh, this is my daughter, but you're
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: having this experience with your granddaughter the way maybe it's
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: just complicated.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I read it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: I heard it a similar way Laura, which is it's
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: that her mother would her mother still can't see her
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: right to say this could have been your She still
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: can't take her in and say you made this different choice.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: What a beautiful life you have. She still is saying,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: wouldn't it have been better if you did this thing?
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: That's what I wanted for you.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I saw.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: One of the things I love about this show so
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: much is Laura Lai's willingness to keep showing up for
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: her mom and her parents, even though it's endlessly disappointing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: In some profound ways and letting Rory had this beautiful relationship.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I think it's just this sweet, like you get to
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: show up for imperfect family relationships with an open heart.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: And it's such a sweet thing about this show. I
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: can't wait to watch it again.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Right, especially that final scene of this episode.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Very touch yes, yes, such a beautiful.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Because you get that glimpse into the future, like my
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: mom's getting old, I'm gonna have to take care of her,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to take care of her because I
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: love her still and we don't even have to talk
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and we don't have to understand each other, but she's
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: my mom and it was it was really like a
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: choke up moment there.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Well the scene before when she's talking to Rory, lorel
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I says, you know, it's so nice that I have
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: someone I can talk to, and of course her daughter goes, yeahoo,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: she's like very funny, shecky, and but they it shows
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: the friendship that they have, you know, and makes her
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: think my mom doesn't have that she has a husband
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: and they bicker and they fight, and that she doesn't.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Have what I have and my daughter.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: So I want to go be that from my mom,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: and then she just shows up and just says, I'm
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: here if you just want to talk, you know, as
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: her mom's clipping those flowers, right, and it just ends
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: like a lovely possibility for the future, you know, like
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: maybe they will, you know, we don't have to talk.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just here. I'm just hanging. She's like, you're what
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm hanging?
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: What do you mean?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: I'm just going?
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Is here?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You want to say anything?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: So it's just the beginning of something I'm emerging.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Hopefully, and it's and Richard Emiley, it's it's a depiction
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of a real marriage, you know, warts and all right,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: instead of this idealized, you know, false marriage. But this
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: is this is you know how it is. You know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: we're all I've been through this all right. Closing scene
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in in that final scene, and you would think that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a perfect ending to the episode. I thought that's when
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the episode it was ending with just hanging, hanging, Yeah, hang, silence.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, episode's over, I'm gonna se Amy's name
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: flash up a single card. Nope, there's more. Then we
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: get that closing scene they're getting burgers at Luke's. Lorela
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and and Rory after the men peel off. You know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Dean is exhausted from the old thing, and Christopher has
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to get back to his lady. Uh there and burgers
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and and we have that wonderful little Now she's back
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: in her real world, her comfortable world, right, her ordinary
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: world where it's wacky.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And you know it's real. It's casual flannel shirts, right, and.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah you can be you right. And Luke is being
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a dad to that kid like Milo. Yet it together,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: get up there, you know, yelling at the kid, and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I say, yeah, we're back, We're back where we belong.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Relief.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: And it's what are your thoughts on, Jess, what is he?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: What does he bringing to the table here?
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: The kid?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Is that miloh?
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, First of all, I just have to say I
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: played Milo's mother on American Dreams.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: For for the last season.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I was a playboy, was a playboy playmate, well supervising bunny,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: and he was my single mom.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: He was my son.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, she wasn't just a bunny, she was a supervising bunny.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you for clarifying.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Additional qualifications are needed.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: She's just older. I think she's a supervisor. She's older.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: She's not a little bunny.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: She's a mother bunny anyway, she was a single mom
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: with Milo was my son.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: It was so fun, but it was so great to.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: See him here and I loved and this scenery shows
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: up looking just like you, like, you know, like my
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Metallica T shirt. We didn't talk about that scene, but
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: that ugly T shirt and then he shows up looking
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: like you and you.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Feel mocked, right, Luke looks like, yeah, very funny. It
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: was great.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: It was a great move for jests.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: And he's he's just appeared on the scene at this point, right, So,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: like I I found him very charming and appealing and.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Like I knew he was trouble and I liked it,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: you know, like I was.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I was. I was open to it, even though we're
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: supposed to really like, you know, sweet, perfect seeming dean
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and worried together. I was totally open to the jests
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: of it all. And it was at that point it
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: was fun.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I felt very sorry and I hated myself for it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I know, I like, I know, this is.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I hate myselff for but he's so adorable and he's
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: so sexy and their chemistry was so good. But they
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: made him like a stinker at first, Like he was
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: such a stinker at first, but you're just kind of like, yeah,
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: maybe you don't stay there, but do it for a bit,
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: like like I didn't want because Dean is so sweet.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he seems so good at that point. So
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: when Jess comes in and he's clearly acting out so.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Many ways, you're like we said, but he's he's smart.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: They can talk about books like I.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Want it to play out.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: At that point, I know, I guilt a little bit
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: bit of a guilty.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: He's the bad boy.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be the bad boy, and that's every girl
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: you're supposed to have. The good, good, handsome guy goes
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: to the Debutan Ball and then there's this jazz you know.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, right, he didn't know what Luke was when
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: he was younger.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: You know, he didn't really cross the line, though. Jess
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: just messed it all up, like all right, too much Bundy, Like.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: From right away he did, Yeah you got you got
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Marlon Brando and the Wild Ones Hybrid with James Dean
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and there's Jess right y, like those two had a kid,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Jess Trump.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they really let him act out. I admire that
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: about the show, that they really let people be complicated.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: Like you said, the marriage Richard Nermley's marriage is a
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: real marriage. That's a fight in a long term marriage.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: They really allowed you guys to be messy, mad, frustrated,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: like so that the audience you kind of felt like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know how far this is going to go.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: You don't have that sort of safety net of this
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: is a good character. They won't make mistakes like people
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: make mistakes all over the place.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Right, So, since I'm the only one who haven't seen it,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: what are we talking about Jess doing after this episode?
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: He did every way to screw it up.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: He screwed it up.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he got someone pregnant, he I don't think
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: he did that.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: And he crashed her car, I think, And and yeah,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: he was just a jerk about it too, Like everything
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: that he did, he was also really like entitled jerk
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I was like that was disappointing. It's like, come on,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I thought you were just going.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: To toe the right bad boy line and then he
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: just crossed it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: All.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Right, let's let's talk about Melrose Place.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay, speaking a bad boy and our podcast still
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: the place now we talk about that too, Still the Place.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Every Monday, and then we have a Melrose Minute on Thursdays. Yes,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: go ahead, Scott.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: So as you're watching Melrose Place, are you're all seeing
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: it differently now than you did? And what really stands
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: out to you? Mm hmmm.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: We're fans. We got to see we get to see
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: now thirty something years later. What I get to see
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: I'll speak for myself, Daphne as Joe. I get to
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: see what the fans liked about it, you know, because
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: when we were shooting it, as you know, you just
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: get in, you have all those lines, you're like working,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: you're in the trenches. And now we get to sit
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: back and oh, it's just really fun to be in
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: a relaxed way, watch the stories and you know, reveal themselves.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: It's really that's what I like about it.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: It's I get to be a fan of the show.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: It's a really well written show for what it is.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: That's what I have found.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Did you watch it as you were filming it?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Not much?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: No?
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: No, no, you can't.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Also, I'm self conscious now thirty years later, can you
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: imagine ever watch it?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: But do you feel it's like a different I watched
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: this now because I never watched it when I was
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: shooting because we were there so much. And you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: it's like I always said, I make the sausage, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: don't want to eat it. No thanks, it's not for me.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But now that I'm watching it since like two thousand
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: and one, it's like a different person. It's a time capsule,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: it is, and I feel okay watching it because I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: don't rely to that guy anymore. He's like a different guy.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: So I get this, so I get to watch it,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: enjoy it, and be a little more objective about it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what's stuck out for me is that it
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: is such a look at our youth, like it's captured
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: on film and we're just like, these are super young
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: kids and we're just you know, so much has happened
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: and so many years of appen and since then that
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: it is like watching somebody else. And I also thought
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: about that watching Gilmore Girls, that for Alexis it must
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: be so weird. It was like her.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Childhood because she was she.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Was eighteen and she just grew up in front of
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the camera and on this show and it's captured and
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: it's like it really happened that way for her, and
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: so what a what a weird.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Unique and wonderful thing to have, like to look back on. Yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: we weren't that much older. I mean I was twenty
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: four we started my road.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: But the distance maybe between when we did our show
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: and now is much greater.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So I mean definitely seems like a way back to what.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: You were doing, what we did in ninety two. Ours
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: was ninety two, so we're cars. We're almost a full
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: decade before we started shooting in ninety two. So that's
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: what we're watching right now, the first season. So we
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: were this is thirty what someone do the math? Well
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: thirty five forty years ago, so long ago, thirty thirty three.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So fashion wise, like I as we're talking about it,
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: like I didn't even notice watching your show the clothes
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: because they're so normal and everybody look normal, Like we
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: have huge shoulder pads and voluminous pants, and well you're
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Alison did stuff.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Her character did terrible problem with shoulder pads.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's not as much of that. Like your
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: show feels really current. Goimore Girls feels very current. Also,
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: the writing was so ahead of its time that that's
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: going to stay current forever. We feel very nineties. Melrose
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: feels of very dated in nineties, very nineties.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so fun, right right right? Where would you all
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like to see your Melrose plays characters?
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: What do you think they ended up?
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Well, half of us would have to come back from
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the dead to answer the question. Well, I maybe not
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: half of us, but I'll just.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Raise my hand.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: How did you die? How they killed you all?
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: They killed me off at the end of my contract
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: at the end of season five. I was hit by
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: a car in the season finale, in the last shot
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: of the episode, I was finally getting married and finally
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: finding happiness, and I was in my wedding dress and
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I was hit by a runaway car in another storyline.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Those two storylines collided and my body, the stunt woman's
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: body went tumbling over the roof of the car and
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: splatters on the ground and the crane shot pulls up
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: and that was my that was my?
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Was there blood light coming out of your head? You remember?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Probably that Caro, there might have been. I just remember
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that you're lying down. I had like to stick It
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: was nice, right, Laura, Like probably two in the morning
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: was probably horrible, and it was sticky. Yeah, it was
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I just do remember I had to like twist my
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: legs in a weird way to make it I had
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: just been smashed.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: But the weird thing was.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: A couple Well about ten years later, maybe not quite no,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: not quite ten years later, I was at a at
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: an elementary school like assembly event, and I realized, wait,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I've been inside this church before. My kid was going
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: to the elementary school within the like the property where
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: this church was, and out on the lawn where my
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: character had had her.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Demise were Oh my gosh, my kid ended up going
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to school.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: There's very Yeah, there was no plaque, nothing to commemorate
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: since no plaque.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Small world.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: So okay, so let's there's final question. Okay, because we
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: got to wrap this up and I don't want to,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: but we have to. What character on Gilmour can you
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: relate to the most Daphne? Go ahead?
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: You know, I my parents divorced when I was six,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: and my sister and I grew up mostly with my mom.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: And I realized watching the show I was my mom
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: was young, very young, and more like a friend.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: To my sister and me.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I remember sitting at home in my
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: dining room when I was in high school and looking
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: at my mother in the kitchen and going, how come
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: she doesn't feel like a mother?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: How comes she feels like a friend? I mean, I
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: had that thought. So I relate to this dynamic and
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: this this the age of these So I mean I
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: relate most to Lourlai.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: I do because I've also you know, I just I
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: can't relate to Rory because right, she's too young for me.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: But I do.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I was that Rory character as a kid.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I would have to say Courtney, Yeah, I feel like Daphne.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: I feel like Loralai and Rory. This is the thing
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: with great characters, right, Like I have the earnestness of Rory,
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: but I feel like Larela is just so relatable. And
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: I think too, it's kind of aspirationally relatable, Like I
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: want to be that funny and charming and quick talking like.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And wear those dresses every single day and look amazing.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, be that adorable. I think the truth is I
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: probably am more like Rory, but I want to be
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: more like Laura. I So that's probably the truth of it, law, And.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I think I relate.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I certainly relate because I came to the show later.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't watch it in real time because I was
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: having babies and just busy doing that that I and
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: then my older daughters weren't quite old enough to be
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: watching the show when I was, so I wasn't watching it.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: So I came to it later when my daughters were
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: old enough, and so I really watched it through the
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: mom lens, and so I of course relate to Laura.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I also also grew up I had a single mom,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: and so that relationship is really familiar to me. But
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I also I am such a fan of the Emily character,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: and I see her as another mom with other like
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: sort of mom issues that I have such a soft spot.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I love the character. I don't know if it's related
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: to as much as I just adore the character.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Laurel and Courtney Thorne Smith Daphne's Anita. Thank you so
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: very much. It was a thrill to talk to you,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: getting to know you. I've never met anybody. I've never
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: met you before. Please come back on the podcast, check
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: in with us. Well, let's do another episode together, And
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: thank you for your time and know how busy you are.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, joining us my pleasure and that is
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: going to wrap it up here. Best fans on the planet,
• 47:57
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• 47:59
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• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 48:02
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