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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report tonight. The coalition in turmoil with a record
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Speaker 2: polling low for the Liberals as the Nationals lead the
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Speaker 2: way in abandoning net zero by twenty fifty, It's time
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Speaker 2: for the Liberals to follow suit and finally give voters
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Speaker 2: an alternative. I'll talk to the Nationals leader David little
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Speaker 2: Proud and Liberal Senator Dave Sharman.
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Speaker 3: That Melbourne nursery.
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Speaker 2: That sent a vile anti Israeli text message to an
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Speaker 2: Israeli woman applying for a job. What legal consequences will
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Speaker 2: we see. I'll cross to Sophie Ellsworth in London to
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Speaker 2: get the latest on that shocking stabbing rampage and the
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Speaker 2: scandal around former Prince Andrew. Also Jemmy Toon UNI and
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Speaker 2: Caroline Drusso let's get into it. Finally, the climate and
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Speaker 2: energy policy is getting serious.
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Speaker 3: The Nationals have led.
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Speaker 2: The way on this debate over the weekend, formally abandoning
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Speaker 2: a policy commitment to net zero by twenty fifty. With
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Speaker 2: any luck, the Liberals and therefore the whole coalition will
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Speaker 2: follow soon. They must then while our energy crisis deepens,
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Speaker 2: the whole country can debate whether there is a better way.
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Speaker 3: Because Labor, the Greens and.
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Speaker 2: The Teals will continue their policies which have seen electricity
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Speaker 2: prices double, power reliability plummet, jobs and investment disappear overseas,
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Speaker 2: and thousands of square kilometers of countryside and bushland defiled.
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Speaker 3: By renewables projects.
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Speaker 2: All this is only going to get worse under the Labor,
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Speaker 2: Greens and Teals plan. It needs to be counted. There
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Speaker 2: needs to be an alternative. But tragically, ever since Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 2: out of the blue back end twenty twenty one, signed
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Speaker 2: up to net zero by twenty fifty, there's been no
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Speaker 2: proper alternative. We've been a country engaged in energy self
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Speaker 2: harm with bipartisan support.
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Speaker 3: That is unsustainable.
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Speaker 2: If your country is being ruined, if one of your
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Speaker 2: main natural economic advantages, that is reliable and affordable energy,
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Speaker 2: that's being forfeited for no gain, then someone has to
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Speaker 2: stand up for the country, for the people. And it's
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Speaker 2: long beyond time for the Coalition to do that. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if ever there was a lesson for them, it came
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Speaker 2: in the latest News poll with the Coalition primary vote
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Speaker 2: falling to its lowest ever level, just twenty four percent,
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Speaker 2: less than a quarter of voters opting for the Coalition first,
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Speaker 2: a record low.
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Speaker 3: They've never been lower.
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Speaker 2: One nation is on the rise to fifteen percent, a
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Speaker 2: minor party challenging the Coalition's polling numbers. So it's clear
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Speaker 2: voters are choosing parties and politicians that know what they
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Speaker 2: stand for. If opinion poll numbers were warming the planet,
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Speaker 2: then the Coalition would be saving the joint because its
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Speaker 2: opinion pole reduction scheme is working a treat by being
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Speaker 2: a pal imitation of labor and the greens and the
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Speaker 2: tills when it comes to global warming evangelism and economic vandalism.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition is reducing their polling numbers and cooling their
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Speaker 2: prospects in a way that people trying to reduce emissions
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Speaker 2: and cool the planet could only dream of. The place
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Speaker 2: for the Coalition to be is not supporting labor, the greens,
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Speaker 2: and the tills in their climate virtue signaling. These policies
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Speaker 2: are idiotic in the extreme because they undermine our economy,
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Speaker 2: they are eliminate our prosperity, and all supposedly as a
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Speaker 2: way of saving the planet. When the cold, hard facts,
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Speaker 2: and all the science, by the way, clearly proves they
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Speaker 2: can do nothing of the sort. Our share of emissions
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Speaker 2: and our cuts are so inconsequential globally.
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Speaker 3: That they can have no impact at all on the climate.
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Speaker 2: In fact, despite all our effort and expense, for every
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Speaker 2: ton of emissions we've saved in Australia, another ninety or
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Speaker 2: more have been added elsewhere in the world. Labor, the
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Speaker 2: Greens and the tills preach renewables and emotion and environmentalism, but.
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Speaker 3: What they deliver is an energy.
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Speaker 2: Crisis, huge expense and inconvenience, and zero benefit for the environment.
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Speaker 2: This has to be challenged because it allows the government
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Speaker 2: and others to spout absolute nonsense daily.
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Speaker 4: Australians know that the cheapest form of energy is renewables.
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Speaker 5: Tell what else hasn't changed the economics that renewables are
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Speaker 5: the cheapest form of energy.
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Speaker 4: Renewables are the cheapest form of.
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Speaker 3: Cheapest form of energy.
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Speaker 6: What's good for your bill is good for emissions. Renewal
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Speaker 6: energy is the cheapest form of energy.
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Speaker 3: This is just rot. It's a lie.
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Speaker 7: You know that.
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Speaker 3: You see it in your power bill every quarter.
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Speaker 2: But the Coalition hasn't been able to call it out
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Speaker 2: properly because it too has been signed up to net
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Speaker 2: zero by twenty fifty. They've been trying to fight labor
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Speaker 2: while they've been tied to labor. Remember how labour came
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Speaker 2: to power making grand promises.
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Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
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Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 2: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 2: a year.
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Speaker 4: One hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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Speaker 3: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 4: A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the
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Speaker 4: average house lower in twenty twenty five than today.
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Speaker 3: Just criminal.
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Speaker 2: Again, the Coalition hasn't been able to make labor pay
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Speaker 2: for that terrible broken promise. They've increased prices by at
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Speaker 2: least three times that amount. The Coalition hasn't been able
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Speaker 2: to call labor out properly because it's.
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Speaker 3: Been on the net zero by twenty to fifty. Bandwagon two.
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Speaker 2: You have to create a clear point of difference. You
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Speaker 2: have to oppose insane policy, not go along with it.
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Speaker 3: For too long.
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Speaker 2: We've had endless word salons from the Coalition on all
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Speaker 2: these issues.
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Speaker 8: Net zero is part of a much broader energy policy
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Speaker 8: and we need to talk about the broad energy policy,
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Speaker 8: which we're doing. Susan's quite right and saying, you know,
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Speaker 8: nothing's been abandoned, nothing's been adopted.
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Speaker 9: Let's actually look at everything.
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Speaker 10: I appreciate that there's a symbolism attached to the net
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Speaker 10: zero commitment, that it's it reflects the sort of best
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Speaker 10: endeavors aspiration. And I'm not oblivious to the importance of
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Speaker 10: simplism in politics.
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Speaker 11: And I don't think people are stressed about having a
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Speaker 11: missions reduction, but we want to make sure that energy
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Speaker 11: policy is driven by net zero price increases and net
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Speaker 11: zero outages.
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Speaker 3: Now, none of this is any good for anyone.
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Speaker 2: Labor, the Greens and the Tills have been getting away
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Speaker 2: with murder, talking absolute nonsense to voters.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 12: Well, we have an opportunity to set ourselves up to
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Speaker 12: be prosperous for the coming decades, and we can do
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Speaker 12: that by leading and by being strong on net zero.
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Speaker 12: There is so much economic benefit for Australia, and especially
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Speaker 12: Western Australia in a net zero world if we can
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Speaker 12: tap into our renewables process our iron ore, using renewables
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Speaker 12: critical minerals, these are opportunities and we can get there
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Speaker 12: by positioning ourselves as as being forward looking rather than backward.
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Speaker 2: Do do you think this is just buncom It's the opposite
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Speaker 2: of reality, even though it's amplified by just about everyone
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Speaker 2: in politics and the media, so many of them. And
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Speaker 2: what about the Prime Minister today blaming the Coalition for
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Speaker 2: power price hikes on his watch?
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Speaker 4: What has occurred on power prices as the product in
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Speaker 4: part of the dysfunction and chaos that's been there of
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Speaker 4: the coalition, twenty four out of twenty eight coal five
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Speaker 4: power stations announced their closure. They had no plan to
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Speaker 4: do anything other than find each other and that's continuing today.
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Speaker 2: What terrible disingenuous Tosh. His policies are designed to force
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Speaker 2: coal fired power out. All the renewables policies are aimed
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Speaker 2: at killing coal. Labor mouths this nonsense day after day,
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Speaker 2: year after year, as prices rise, projects full over subsidies
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Speaker 2: are paid out, jobs are lost, and nothing about the
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Speaker 2: weather changes because there is nobody holding them to account. Labor,
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Speaker 2: the Greens and the tills are backed up by the
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Speaker 2: might of the public broadcasters, the green left leanings of
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Speaker 2: the Canberra Press Gallery.
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Speaker 3: And much of the media.
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Speaker 2: So all of this nonsense is foist upon the public
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Speaker 2: without proper debate, without the clear facts put on the table,
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Speaker 2: without scrutiny or accountability. I mean, if you want to
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Speaker 2: see how easy, unaccountable and brainless life has become for
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Speaker 2: labor MPs, you only need to jump onto their social
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Speaker 2: media accounts.
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Speaker 3: What is going on?
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Speaker 2: You see what I mean. That's a labor MP in
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Speaker 2: Canberra today. That's how mindless politics has become for them.
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Speaker 2: Labor are cruising. They have no opposition to their crazy policies,
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Speaker 2: even though the US has bailed out of Paris and
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Speaker 2: China continues to massively expand its omissions, and Bill Gates
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Speaker 2: admits the Climbate claims have been way over the top,
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Speaker 2: and Tony Blair says the UK went too hard and
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Speaker 2: too fast and all the rest of it. Australia desperately
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Speaker 2: needs an alternative. That's the coalition's job. They are supposed
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Speaker 2: to be the grown ups in the room. They are
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Speaker 2: supposed to favor facts over ideology, reality over political spin,
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Speaker 2: reason over emotion.
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Speaker 3: Now is the time.
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Speaker 2: Now is the time to get serious after a decade
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Speaker 2: of policy confusion and a pose net zero and prioritize
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Speaker 2: reliable and affordable energy.
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Speaker 3: The stuff that our economy is built on.
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Speaker 2: The alternative for the Liberal Party and for the country
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Speaker 2: is too horrible to contemplate. I have plenty more on
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Speaker 2: that throughout the program tonight, but let me share a
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Speaker 2: take on crime in Victoria. As you know, the crime crisis,
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Speaker 2: and remember it was called a crime crisis by a
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Speaker 2: Victoria police commander just the other week. The crime crisis
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne worries a lot of people, especially the victims
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Speaker 2: of crime. But have a look at this social media post.
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Speaker 2: A bloke showed himself indulging in a gelato in a
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Speaker 2: Melbourne lane way and he posted braving the crime ridden
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Speaker 2: violent hellhole that is the Melbourne CBD to get some gelato. Now,
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Speaker 2: mocking the crime crisis is one thing, but this bloke
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Speaker 2: turns out to be and.
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Speaker 3: ABC News reporter. Norman Hermont is his name.
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Speaker 2: He's a long time ABC radio and television report, a
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Speaker 2: bit of a typical lefty in my estimation, and you
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Speaker 2: ought to see the feedback he got online for his
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Speaker 2: smug post. Plenty of people lined him up for downplaying
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Speaker 2: their real concerns and very real crime problems in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: It's so typical of the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Lots of climate alarmism, but they're pretty relaxed about street crime.
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Speaker 3: And while we're at it, another.
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Speaker 2: ABC employee, a radio sports presenter, Ned Hall, has had
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Speaker 2: a win over the Tax Office. He claims some of
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Speaker 2: his rent because he'd broadcast from a makeshift studio in
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Speaker 2: one of his bedrooms during COVID lockdowns, and he also
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Speaker 2: claimed some mileage because sometimes he had to go into work. Extraordinary,
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Speaker 2: isn't it seems he won both ways. Paid by our
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Speaker 2: taxes he is, then he gets tax deductions for the
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Speaker 2: home studio and for traveling into work anyway. The Tax
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Speaker 2: Office is appealing this decision, but if it stands, working
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Speaker 2: from home is going to be even more attractive for
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Speaker 2: many Australians.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee's leadership is obviously under pressure now, with the
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Speaker 2: pulling so low and the coalition lacking unity and cohesion.
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Speaker 2: Her greatest advantage, of course, at the moment, is that
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Speaker 2: no one else would want the job. But she has
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Speaker 2: to sort this net zero position out quickly. Lee needs
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Speaker 2: to unite the coalition against net zero by twenty fifty
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Speaker 2: so that they can take up the argument against labor
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Speaker 2: and the Greens and the tills, and that job has
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Speaker 2: been made pretty easy for her now because, like they
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Speaker 2: did with their opposition to the Indigenous Voice, the Nationals
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Speaker 2: have gotten out ahead of the Liberals and they've scrapped
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Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty, making it almost impossible for
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Speaker 2: the Liberals to do anything other than follow suit. I
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Speaker 2: caught up with National's leader David little Proud and I
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Speaker 2: put to him that where the Nats have led, surely
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Speaker 2: the Liberals must follow.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, we.
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Speaker 13: Hope so, but I'm not going to preempt anything. I
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Speaker 13: think it's important that we give them the time and
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Speaker 13: space to create that environment for them to get to
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Speaker 13: their position. We have had a long held road to
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Speaker 13: this position. We started this in June and we wanted
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Speaker 13: to be calm and methodical about getting to this juncture.
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Speaker 13: And I think we've got to a position that's eminently sensible,
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Speaker 13: that says that we can do better climate and anti policy,
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Speaker 13: that's cheaper, that's better, and that's fairer for all Australians.
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Speaker 13: And much of that is about spending less money, which
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Speaker 13: means it keeps more in Australian's pockets rather than the
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Speaker 13: nine trillion dollars that Anthony Albaneze is going to spend
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Speaker 13: on his net zero escapade.
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Speaker 2: Of course it's logical, of course it's sensible. Of course
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Speaker 2: it's rational, and of course it's popular with the conservative voters,
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Speaker 2: right of center voters. We've seen that really with the
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Speaker 2: drift away to one nation in the polls.
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Speaker 3: So surely Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee would be committing political suicide if she wasn't
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Speaker 2: to footprint this policy to make sure the coalition, both
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Speaker 2: major coalition parties, had a matching climate and energy policy.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and look, Chris, I think it goes beyond just
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Speaker 13: those of center right. This goes to people in the
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Speaker 13: leafy suburbs of Capital cities who would never thought of
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Speaker 13: varting national before, but would see this as a policy
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Speaker 13: that's eminently sensible. We're tying ourselves to the world in
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Speaker 13: the way that they're pivoting towards addressing climate change through
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Speaker 13: that zero. They're starting to pivot away, but we don't.
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Speaker 13: We're not going to be a lagged but We're not
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Speaker 13: going to streak ahead like the Albanesi government is. It's
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Speaker 13: going to cost you nine trillion dollars. What we're going
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Speaker 13: to do is be sensible, peg ourselves to the world,
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Speaker 13: but also make sure that we have adaptation here in
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Speaker 13: sensible policies that look to build resilience in our environment
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Speaker 13: and also help farmers who have taken much of the
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Speaker 13: brand of the cost of this. We've lost seven point
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Speaker 13: two million hectares of agricultural land and lose another five
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Speaker 13: point one million hectares of agricultural land, which tears up
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Speaker 13: your food security and pushes up your food prices when
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Speaker 13: there is a cheaper, fairer and better way to do this.
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Speaker 2: People who watch this program, certainly in this station, will
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Speaker 2: be understand all of that. I know why this policy
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Speaker 2: makes sense, but my point is the fact that it
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Speaker 2: must be the Liberal Party's policy too, that it must
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Speaker 2: be a coalition policy, because the alternative would be diabolical in.
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Speaker 3: Policy sense but also a political sense.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to a Liberal frontbencher today, Senator
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bragg.
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Speaker 8: The Paris Accord requires you to get an end zero
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Speaker 8: in the second half of this century.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's beyond the realm.
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Speaker 7: Of possibility that Australia could achieve that.
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Speaker 2: There's Andrew Bragg saying we're going to stick with Paris.
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Speaker 3: What's your view on that.
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Speaker 2: Can you stick with Paris and just slowed down the
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Speaker 2: move to net zero or do.
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Speaker 3: You actually have to have a clear break.
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Speaker 7: Oh?
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Speaker 13: Look, I think what has been the mistakes of the
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Speaker 13: past is that we've set a twenty to fifty target,
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Speaker 13: a timeline that is the world is seen is unachievable.
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Speaker 13: What we're saying is is the world's realizing that as
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Speaker 13: he's slowing down or walking away. In fact, there's one
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Speaker 13: hundred and twenty eight countries that still haven't given that
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Speaker 13: twenty thirty five introm target. So the world is pivoting
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Speaker 13: and we should pivot with it. And that's what we're saying.
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Speaker 13: And by having these long term targets puts into question
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Speaker 13: the policy settings here and now that Australians are feeling.
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Speaker 13: So what we've said is we should have short term
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Speaker 13: targets that actually reflect where the world's going, but where
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Speaker 13: technology is going as well. And there may be a
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Speaker 13: juncture in the future where technology comes to get us.
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Speaker 1: There, but here in Australia.
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Speaker 13: The biggest sleep we could take forward, which is part
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Speaker 13: of this policy, is pivot towards nuclear energy. That is
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Speaker 13: a common sense solution and by expanding the capacity investments
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Speaker 13: game to existing coulfied powerstations, that drives pressure down on
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Speaker 13: energy bills in the here and now and buys us
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Speaker 13: the time to transition into nuclear energy as part.
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Speaker 1: Of the baseloads solution here in Australia.
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Speaker 13: This is where the common sense of physics and economics
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Speaker 13: is there in front of us if we want to
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Speaker 13: grab it. And that's what this policy is saying to
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Speaker 13: the world and saying to Australia.
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Speaker 1: There is a cheaper, better fair way to do this.
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Speaker 2: But coming back to the politics of this, the common
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Speaker 2: sense approach is that the Liberals must share your same policy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we hope they will.
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Speaker 13: And I think when they look through our policy document
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Speaker 13: that we haven't just said no.
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Speaker 1: That would have been the easy thing to do.
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Speaker 13: Straight after the election, but what we did was take
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Speaker 13: our time to get it right and to have a solution,
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Speaker 13: because I think what happens as you get closer to
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Speaker 13: a ballot time is they'll want a solution that they
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Speaker 13: want us to say no, but they want a solution.
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Speaker 13: And I think now we've given the opportunity for the
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Speaker 13: Liberal Party if we want to give them the space
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Speaker 13: and opportunity to run the ruler over this on, let.
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Speaker 3: Me jump in there, Let me jump in there. They
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Speaker 3: don't have the time or their space at the moment.
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Speaker 2: The coalition is pulling twenty four percent, a record low.
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Speaker 2: As you said, they need to come on board with
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Speaker 2: the same policy as you. They need to do that
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Speaker 2: as soon as possible, don't they, so that you can
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Speaker 2: start prosecuting the case and recovering as a political movement.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: And look, I'd like them to do it straight away,
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Speaker 13: but I don't want to be somebody that causes grief
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Speaker 13: within the Liberal Party. Obviously there's some angst about what
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Speaker 13: the National Party has done, but we've been very upfront
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Speaker 13: and transparent about the process we were going through and
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Speaker 13: I don't apologize for that about what we put forward
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Speaker 13: is an eminently sensible solution, and I want to create
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Speaker 13: an environment for them to do it, and I hope
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Speaker 13: it is as quick as possible because I agree with you, Chris.
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Speaker 13: I think that if we're able to get behind something
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Speaker 13: as sensible as this policy that the Nationals are put forward.
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Speaker 13: I think we have an alternative to say to the
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Speaker 13: Australian people that we can address climate and energy policy
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Speaker 13: in a practical way that is cheaper, that is better,
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Speaker 13: and is fairer to Australia and.
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Speaker 1: To the world.
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Speaker 2: David little Proud, thanks so much for joining us today.
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Speaker 1: Thanks mate.
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Speaker 2: There's the perspective on this issue from the Nationals. Let's
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Speaker 2: get a Liberals perspective now and go back down to
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Speaker 2: Canberra and catch up with Shadow Assistant Minister for Treasury
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma. Good to talk to you, Dave. The Nationals
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Speaker 2: have laid down the gaunt Look here have they? They've
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Speaker 2: laid down actually the policy formula. Don't the Liberals just
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Speaker 2: need to jump on board and adopt that policy rather
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Speaker 2: than continuing with this endless review.
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Speaker 10: No, the Liberals need to devise and agree on our
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Speaker 10: own policy and then we will need to set it
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Speaker 10: with the Nationals. I respect the right of the Nationals
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Speaker 10: to come up with their own policy, but I also
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Speaker 10: expect the right of my colleagues at the Liberal Party
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Speaker 10: Room to examine, assessed, and develop our own policy and
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Speaker 10: then agree that that's ultimately what our party is about.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Nationals have had a look at their policies
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Speaker 2: come up with a very viable alternative, and it's certainly
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Speaker 2: one that I would support. I mean, on these issues
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Speaker 2: for decades, as you know, why are the Liberals still
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Speaker 2: faffling around?
21:09
Speaker 14: Then?
21:10
Speaker 2: Why can't you efficiently come up with this You've been
21:12
Speaker 2: dealing in this policy area for decades.
21:15
Speaker 3: Surely you can come to a landing soon.
21:19
Speaker 10: I think we can, Chris, But I don't think this
21:21
Speaker 10: is ever intended to be a rush process. And just
21:24
Speaker 10: because the Nationals have reached their decision and put out
21:27
Speaker 10: an announcement on a Sunday afternoon doesn't mean we need
21:30
Speaker 10: to conclude our own process within the next twenty four hours.
21:33
Speaker 10: I mean, Dan teen's letting this process. I expect it
21:35
Speaker 10: to wrap up in the next four to six weeks.
21:39
Speaker 10: It's important because we've got members who represent rural and
21:42
Speaker 10: regional constituencies, but also urban constituencies and across states and
21:46
Speaker 10: across demographics, and we want to make sure that the
21:49
Speaker 10: policy we come up with is economically literate and responsible,
21:53
Speaker 10: but can also be sold politically.
21:55
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, right, you say that sort of thing,
21:57
Speaker 2: and so many commentators make that sort of because they
22:00
Speaker 2: think the city voters like the idea of renewables and
22:05
Speaker 2: missions reductions more, that they're more the polling says that
22:10
Speaker 2: they're more in tune with this stuff. It bears No,
22:13
Speaker 2: it's all politics. It's all trying to second guess the
22:15
Speaker 2: voter's reaction. Don't you actually have to do what this
22:20
Speaker 2: nation and this economy needs and then argue the case
22:24
Speaker 2: and convince people that that is the right option.
22:29
Speaker 10: Well, look, we need to do both things, Chris. I mean,
22:31
Speaker 10: you know, no elected representative is going to adopt a
22:34
Speaker 10: policy without having a sense of what their constituents and
22:37
Speaker 10: the voters feel about something.
22:39
Speaker 6: Right.
22:39
Speaker 10: That's just politics is a two way street. It's elected
22:42
Speaker 10: representatives channeling the views of their constituents, but also putting
22:45
Speaker 10: forward what they believe is in the national interests of
22:47
Speaker 10: the country.
22:48
Speaker 7: That's what we're doing as liberals.
22:49
Speaker 10: We do need an energy policy that's in Australia's national interest.
22:53
Speaker 10: That means prices need to be lower, industry can't be hampered,
22:56
Speaker 10: we need more abundant gas, but we also want to
22:59
Speaker 10: bring own a mission over time. Now, I'll look closely
23:02
Speaker 10: at the National's policy and what they're offering, and I'm
23:04
Speaker 10: sure all my colleagues will as well. But you know,
23:08
Speaker 10: the National's policy is not a take it or leave
23:10
Speaker 10: it offer to the Liberal Party. They've got their own
23:12
Speaker 10: policy process, We've got our own and when those two
23:15
Speaker 10: are concluded, then we'll have a conversation about where the
23:18
Speaker 10: coalition position is.
23:19
Speaker 2: When you talk about these electoral dynamics, though, you know
23:22
Speaker 2: very well that there are people who have voted for
23:24
Speaker 2: tilS candidates and Green's candidates and Labor candidates in some
23:28
Speaker 2: of the seats where you need to contest the vote.
23:31
Speaker 2: They are told that Australia meeting that zero x twenty
23:34
Speaker 2: fifty will make a material difference to the planet. They
23:37
Speaker 2: are told that they'll have fewer natural disasters if they'll
23:41
Speaker 2: only concentrate on these emissions reductions programs in Australia. They
23:46
Speaker 2: are told that this stuff is cheaper, is the cheapest
23:49
Speaker 2: form of energy. You know that all of this stuff is.
23:53
Speaker 3: Absolute tosh, and you need.
23:55
Speaker 2: To counter it, right because they are if that's what's
23:58
Speaker 2: driving their vote, they need to be educated and if
24:01
Speaker 2: the Coalition is not going to educate the mest of
24:03
Speaker 2: the facts, who is.
24:08
Speaker 10: Look, we need to be honest with the Australian public, Chris,
24:10
Speaker 10: and that is that net zero is not going well
24:12
Speaker 10: under Labour's plans, that our energy prices are higher despite
24:16
Speaker 10: being promised that renewable sources of power would be lower,
24:19
Speaker 10: That our industry is suffering because gas prices are too
24:21
Speaker 10: high and we're not reserving enough domestically. And yet we
24:25
Speaker 10: also need to be honest that the world is not
24:27
Speaker 10: meeting its targets, and that whether Australian meets its targets
24:30
Speaker 10: or not is not going to make a material difference
24:32
Speaker 10: to it. So I think we need a policy that's
24:35
Speaker 10: driven by fundamentals, cost.
24:38
Speaker 7: And affordability and reliability.
24:39
Speaker 10: That's technology agnostic, but there is also a preference for
24:43
Speaker 10: people's emissions come to bring down emissions over time if
24:46
Speaker 10: it's not cost prohibitive or if it doesn't impose any
24:50
Speaker 10: cost disadvantage. And I think that's the sort of policy
24:53
Speaker 10: where we want to be adopting as liberals.
24:55
Speaker 2: And that's the sort of policy that the Nationals have outlined,
24:57
Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean they say, let's reduce emissions eventually
25:00
Speaker 2: all your fixed energy costs produced by nuclear technology, for instance,
25:04
Speaker 2: but let's not kill our economy trying to do net
25:07
Speaker 2: zero twenty fifty.
25:11
Speaker 10: I think there's some good points in the National's policy approach.
25:15
Speaker 7: I mean I haven't studied it closely.
25:16
Speaker 10: All I've read is the two page press release, but
25:19
Speaker 10: I think where will be interested in teasing out all
25:21
Speaker 10: of these things with the Nationalism and they want to
25:23
Speaker 10: reinstitute the emissions Reduction Fund for instance, what would that
25:27
Speaker 10: look like?
25:27
Speaker 7: How much would that cost?
25:28
Speaker 10: These are all the sorts of conversations we need to
25:30
Speaker 10: have with our Nationals colleagues.
25:32
Speaker 2: Just briefly before I let you go, record low primary
25:35
Speaker 2: vote in the news poll today, that's tough news for
25:38
Speaker 2: the coalition.
25:39
Speaker 3: How much pressure is Susan Lee under Well?
25:43
Speaker 10: I thought you were going to ask me about the
25:44
Speaker 10: record high inflation that came out for the last quarter last.
25:48
Speaker 3: We did do that last week. We did do that
25:50
Speaker 3: last week.
25:51
Speaker 2: And this is my point, right, we need a strong
25:53
Speaker 2: opposition to hold a bad gubment to account.
25:55
Speaker 3: So was Susan Lee under pressure as leader?
25:59
Speaker 7: Look, we're all under pressure. Well, let's be honest.
26:02
Speaker 10: It's a bad Pole result that thankfully the voters aren't
26:05
Speaker 10: going to the Poles anytime soon, but it's in part
26:07
Speaker 10: because look, we are spending a lot of time talking
26:10
Speaker 10: about ourselves. I mean my entire conversation with you up
26:13
Speaker 10: until now has been about an internal policy position rather
26:16
Speaker 10: than critiquing Labour's policy position. That's a problem and the
26:19
Speaker 10: Electric wants an opposition that holds the government to account,
26:22
Speaker 10: not that tries to hold itself to account.
26:23
Speaker 2: The whole time exactly, which is why you need to
26:26
Speaker 2: get the zero policy setting and get cracking good to view.
26:30
Speaker 2: To join us again, Dave, I really appreciate it. Dave Sharma,
26:33
Speaker 2: Liberal Senator for New South Wales, joining us live from Canberra.
26:37
Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break now. After the break,
26:38
Speaker 2: I'm going to check you in on that shocking story
26:40
Speaker 2: out of Melbourne. We're a nursery set of vile anti
26:44
Speaker 2: Israeli text message to an Israeli woman who had applied
26:47
Speaker 2: for a job there. We've had a deeply disturbing story
26:56
Speaker 2: out of Melbourne, sickening really. We're a twenty four year
26:59
Speaker 2: old Israeli he's been in Australia for less than a month,
27:02
Speaker 2: was rejected for a job at a nursery and she
27:04
Speaker 2: was told to leave Melbourne. The woman who wants to
27:08
Speaker 2: remain anonymous received the text message from the Garden of
27:11
Speaker 2: Eden at Albert Park and the text message said, unfortunately
27:16
Speaker 2: the position she'd applied for has been filled by someone
27:20
Speaker 2: with a semblance of humanity and who cares for plants,
27:23
Speaker 2: animals and the environment. Good luck on your journey and
27:27
Speaker 2: I hope you leave Melbourne soon, free Palestine and end genocide.
27:32
Speaker 3: Now you're complicit in it.
27:36
Speaker 2: The nursery took to social media this morning with an
27:39
Speaker 2: apology saying they would like to express regret and extensive
27:43
Speaker 2: sincere apologies to the community over the message that was
27:47
Speaker 2: sent to a member of the public by a staff member.
27:49
Speaker 2: The message was sent via a personal account and we
27:53
Speaker 2: were unaware of it until it became public. Let me
27:56
Speaker 2: bring in the Anti Defamation Commission Chairman, doctor de Va
28:00
Speaker 2: Via Bramovich, who brought the case to light. He joins
28:03
Speaker 2: me live from Melbourne. Thanks for joining us to vera.
28:06
Speaker 2: This is a shocking case. Can you tell us first
28:09
Speaker 2: up what level of contact there was between this woman
28:14
Speaker 2: and the nursery owner. Did she attend there, meet with
28:16
Speaker 2: them over the phone? Was there any argument? Just to
28:19
Speaker 2: describe that contact for us if you could.
28:23
Speaker 6: Sure good to be with you, Chris, so I spoke
28:26
Speaker 6: to the Israeli women a few days ago.
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Speaker 1: She applied for the job.
28:31
Speaker 6: She has a fast experience working at nurseres, working in
28:34
Speaker 6: the agricultural area. She met with that individual, mister Dahan.
28:40
Speaker 6: They had apparently a very pleasant conversation. In fact, he
28:43
Speaker 6: sent her a text asking her to come and work
28:46
Speaker 6: in on Thursday, just to have a trial run, and
28:50
Speaker 6: she said she couldn't she was engaged with some other activity.
28:53
Speaker 6: And then on Friday she received that repugnant note. And
28:57
Speaker 6: this wasn't a rejection note, by the way, Christie, was
29:00
Speaker 6: a discrimination with a send button. I just want to
29:04
Speaker 6: say one thing, Chris. If I made that, I wasn't
29:06
Speaker 6: surprised and I wasn't shocked because we are drowning in
29:09
Speaker 6: anti Israelism and anti Zionism. And I've lived in this
29:13
Speaker 6: country for nearly forty years, and I always had a
29:16
Speaker 6: certain idea about what Australia was, which was an open, tolerant,
29:20
Speaker 6: safe place for Jews. But since October seventh, that belief
29:24
Speaker 6: has been shattered. And today to be Jewish, to be Israeli,
29:29
Speaker 6: to be a Zionist, to believe in Israel's right to exist,
29:32
Speaker 6: to even have a connection to Israel means that you
29:35
Speaker 6: have a target on your back. And I don't want
29:39
Speaker 6: to say this, but I think for a lot of
29:40
Speaker 6: Jews it almost includes having a threat assessment every day
29:43
Speaker 6: and I'm going to come back home or will end
29:45
Speaker 6: up in hospital.
29:46
Speaker 3: Well, it's terrible.
29:47
Speaker 2: I know some Jewish people have moved to Israel and
29:51
Speaker 2: to America to try and escape this sense that they
29:55
Speaker 2: have in Australia. It is absolutely diabolical, and it's fed
29:58
Speaker 2: by lies and missing information that we see in a
30:01
Speaker 2: lot of the media every day portraying Israel as a
30:05
Speaker 2: nation of baby killers and the like.
30:06
Speaker 3: It's a modern blood libel.
30:09
Speaker 2: That's why I'm so keen to tackle it every chance
30:12
Speaker 2: I get. And so this particular woman I'm interested to know.
30:16
Speaker 2: Then it seems like a rejection from a job. She
30:20
Speaker 2: was talking about possibly working there. Then she got this
30:23
Speaker 2: vile abuse. Surely this is illegal. This is the smacks
30:27
Speaker 2: of discrimination in the workplace and smacks of someone being
30:31
Speaker 2: rejected for work on the basis of their nationality.
30:33
Speaker 3: Have you pursued any of those issues.
30:36
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I actually spoke to her yesterday and she's
30:38
Speaker 6: considering some legal action. I mean, she wasn't rejected because
30:42
Speaker 6: of her experience, or her skills or her resume. She
30:47
Speaker 6: was simply rejected and demonized and villified in or called
30:51
Speaker 6: somebody who has no humanity and is complicit and genocide
30:54
Speaker 6: simply because of her name, surname, because she was an Israeli.
30:59
Speaker 6: And you know that people in this country will hate
31:02
Speaker 6: Israel so much, Chris, that they've stopped looking at us
31:05
Speaker 6: as human beings. They see us as objects of hatred.
31:09
Speaker 6: And today, whether you're a young person or you're a
31:11
Speaker 6: person at work and your Israeli or you have a
31:14
Speaker 6: Hebrew name, you are going to be attacked, You're going
31:17
Speaker 6: to be vilified, you're going to be harassed. And that's
31:21
Speaker 6: the frightening situation that we find in this country that
31:24
Speaker 6: we always felt were so safe and so welcoming of Joseph.
31:27
Speaker 6: In fact, I've spoken to Holocaust survivors, you know, of Chrise,
31:30
Speaker 6: we've seen the worst of humanity, and they've said to
31:33
Speaker 6: me that in their lifetime, they never imagined that this
31:37
Speaker 6: level of hostility would be you know what hit the roof.
31:41
Speaker 2: Indeed, we've spoken to them on this program. Suzi's made
31:44
Speaker 2: it comes to mind.
31:45
Speaker 3: Who's talked about that. Look, could you pass.
31:48
Speaker 2: On to this woman that we would like to speak
31:51
Speaker 2: to her, but also try and pass on to her
31:54
Speaker 2: that the majority of Australians, the silent majority of Australians,
31:58
Speaker 2: would see her treatment as being this pickable and would
32:00
Speaker 2: certainly welcome her and hope that she has a good
32:03
Speaker 2: stay here in Australia. It's just it's terrible that she's
32:06
Speaker 2: been confronted with this level of bigotry.
32:09
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us to via Thank you.
32:12
Speaker 2: That's Abramovich, who heads up the Any Defamation Commission joining
32:15
Speaker 2: us live there from Melbourne or a shocking situation.
32:18
Speaker 3: You've got to counter this. We've all got to count
32:19
Speaker 3: to this.
32:20
Speaker 2: You'll hear it as you go about your daily lives
32:22
Speaker 2: in Australia. Now you hear this sort of stuff, this
32:24
Speaker 2: sort of bile that's directed against Israel and Zionism and
32:28
Speaker 2: therefore Jews. You've got to stand up for it with
32:31
Speaker 2: your workmates, with your friends, with your family, because otherwise
32:34
Speaker 2: this stuff gets right.
32:35
Speaker 1: Out of hand.
32:36
Speaker 7: As we all know.
32:37
Speaker 2: We've got to take a break on the other side
32:38
Speaker 2: of going to cross the UK and catch up with
32:40
Speaker 2: Sophie Rsworth.
32:40
Speaker 3: She'll be in London.
32:41
Speaker 2: We'll get the latest on that shocking stabbing rampage. We
32:52
Speaker 2: had that shocking news out of the UK yesterday. A
32:55
Speaker 2: thirty two year old man remains in custody on suspicion
32:59
Speaker 2: of attempted mer after eleven people were injured in that
33:03
Speaker 2: mass stabbing on a London bound train.
33:06
Speaker 3: Police have ruled out a terror attack.
33:08
Speaker 2: Here's the laddest from sky News UK.
33:12
Speaker 14: For the terrified passengers. Rescue came finally when the train
33:16
Speaker 14: reached Huntingdon station. Armed police stormed the platform. It was
33:23
Speaker 14: eight minutes since the alarm had been raised on board,
33:26
Speaker 14: eight minutes of horror. Eleven victims were stabbed, one still critical.
33:32
Speaker 14: A member of the train staff who tried to stop
33:35
Speaker 14: the attack and saved lives. Two suspects were arrested, one
33:40
Speaker 14: glimpsed as he was pinned to the ground. Police gave
33:43
Speaker 14: a few details of the men they held.
33:45
Speaker 5: I can tell you that these are the first mail
33:48
Speaker 5: a thirty two year old male, a black British national,
33:52
Speaker 5: and a thirty five year old man, a British national
33:56
Speaker 5: of Caribbean descent.
33:58
Speaker 14: Later police said they had released the older man and
34:01
Speaker 14: confirmed he was not involved in the attack.
34:04
Speaker 5: At this stage there is nothing to suggest that this
34:08
Speaker 5: is a terrorist incident.
34:10
Speaker 2: Let's go to London now, right outside Buckingham Palace as
34:13
Speaker 2: it turns out, and catch up with News Corp Europe
34:15
Speaker 2: correspondent of course, Sky News contributor Sophie Osworth.
34:18
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Sophie. This has just been
34:21
Speaker 3: frightening news.
34:22
Speaker 2: Of course all the morning papers in London will be
34:25
Speaker 2: full of it. Is there any new information, anything fresh
34:28
Speaker 2: that we need to know about, whether charges have been
34:30
Speaker 2: laid and how why the police were able to rule
34:33
Speaker 2: out terrorism so quickly.
34:37
Speaker 15: So they came out pretty quickly yesterday morning Chris and
34:40
Speaker 15: said that this was not a terrorism related incident, and
34:44
Speaker 15: they also described the two men that were on suspicion
34:49
Speaker 15: of attempted murder, explaining their nationality in it that they
34:53
Speaker 15: are British nationals. Because there's such a concern about a
34:58
Speaker 15: crime in the UK heading to migrants, so they stamp
35:01
Speaker 15: that out very quickly. But we now know one of
35:04
Speaker 15: the men has been released and there is only one
35:07
Speaker 15: British national who remains under suspicion of charges of attempted murder.
35:13
Speaker 16: But Chris today here in.
35:14
Speaker 15: The UK they will be ramping up security on many
35:18
Speaker 15: of the major train lines across the UK. There's definitely
35:23
Speaker 15: a sense of concern among the British public because a
35:27
Speaker 15: lot of these trains, they're fast trains, they don't stop
35:30
Speaker 15: for long periods and so you're captive on them really
35:33
Speaker 15: and there's not if any security on them.
35:36
Speaker 16: So there are a lot of concerns around this.
35:38
Speaker 15: So they are doing ramping up police services across the
35:43
Speaker 15: country today on these lines.
35:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it was a brilliant work by
35:49
Speaker 2: the train driver to get that train into a station
35:51
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible.
35:54
Speaker 3: Serious injuries.
35:55
Speaker 2: Thankfully no one's died yet, but very very life threatening
35:59
Speaker 2: injury early on. It looks like everybody's going to All
36:02
Speaker 2: of those eleven victims are going to pull through.
36:04
Speaker 15: So I think, well, this stage, hopefully, Chris, that is
36:08
Speaker 15: what the result is going to be.
36:10
Speaker 16: But extremely terrifying.
36:12
Speaker 15: We heard accounts of people on their rushing to the
36:15
Speaker 15: lavatories on the train carriages to hide people using their
36:20
Speaker 15: own weapons, scared that this man wielding a knife might
36:24
Speaker 15: injure them.
36:25
Speaker 16: Incredibly frightening stuff.
36:26
Speaker 15: But the heroism from the train driver has been remarkable,
36:30
Speaker 15: who managed to quickly pull into a train station. Emergency
36:34
Speaker 15: services were called and within seven minutes the alleged perpetrator
36:38
Speaker 15: was arrested. But extremely frightening and even today some of
36:42
Speaker 15: the reports people thought it might.
36:44
Speaker 16: Be a joke for Halloween.
36:46
Speaker 15: You know, it was just absolutely terrifying that this can
36:49
Speaker 15: happen in the UK on a Saturday evening.
36:52
Speaker 3: Shocking stuff.
36:53
Speaker 2: Let's go to the scandal surrounding a bloke I used
36:56
Speaker 2: to hang around in that big rattling mansion over your right,
37:01
Speaker 2: the boy the artist who was formerly known as Prince Andrew,
37:05
Speaker 2: I suppose obviously stripped of so much.
37:07
Speaker 3: And we'll be moving to new digs, stripped of a
37:11
Speaker 3: lot of titles.
37:12
Speaker 2: I think another military honor is about to be stripped
37:16
Speaker 2: off in this first year, of course, from the brother
37:19
Speaker 2: of one of these best known victims.
37:25
Speaker 17: The King is setting a roadmap. He's setting a precedent
37:28
Speaker 17: to the rest of the world to say I do
37:30
Speaker 17: stand with survivors. I am going to hold even my
37:33
Speaker 17: brother to account. But it's still it's not enough in
37:38
Speaker 17: the sense that he's still walking around a free man.
37:41
Speaker 17: Prince Andrew is just one of many that need to
37:44
Speaker 17: be investigated thoroughly, and so I think the King should
37:47
Speaker 17: put pressure on our government. He should put pressure on
37:50
Speaker 17: President Trump. He should tell President Trump verbatim, President Trump,
37:54
Speaker 17: put your big boy pants on, and let's get these
37:57
Speaker 17: Epstein files released.
37:59
Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of dishonor for the former Prince Sophie,
38:03
Speaker 2: but criminal investigations, police investigations. Is there much of a
38:08
Speaker 2: push on to see that stuff actually.
38:12
Speaker 3: Actually increased? I suppose in coming days.
38:16
Speaker 16: There is a huge push for this to go further, Chris.
38:19
Speaker 15: If you think this story might be petering out because
38:23
Speaker 15: the fact that last week Andrew was stripped of his titles,
38:27
Speaker 15: this is far from over. And we've seen those interviews
38:30
Speaker 15: with the late Virginia Drewfrey's family. I've read her book, Chris,
38:35
Speaker 15: incredibly harrowing stuff. And the pressure is on the King
38:39
Speaker 15: to ensure that all is done to handle this situation,
38:44
Speaker 15: which has been diabolical for the royal family.
38:47
Speaker 16: And now we know that Andrew will be moving out
38:50
Speaker 16: of the Royal Lodge.
38:52
Speaker 15: Reports are that will be in the new year, to
38:54
Speaker 15: avoid that awkward exchange that would happen when the royal
38:58
Speaker 15: family are in Sandra Hammett Christmas. But overnight we were
39:02
Speaker 15: told that perhaps it could be sooner that he moves there,
39:05
Speaker 15: so we're waiting to hear what happens there. But his
39:09
Speaker 15: name is definitely Charnish and there were even calls on
39:12
Speaker 15: radio this morning saying people are now concerned for the
39:15
Speaker 15: mental health of.
39:16
Speaker 16: Andrew as well. So this story has a long way
39:19
Speaker 16: to go yet.
39:20
Speaker 3: Sophie. We love catching up with you every week. You're
39:23
Speaker 3: all over it. But let me just think you. You
39:25
Speaker 3: could be dialing this in from the front room, but.
39:27
Speaker 2: There you are out of a wonderful location in the rain,
39:30
Speaker 2: looking after your own camera and whatever.
39:33
Speaker 3: Fantastic. We appreciate the effort. It looks great.
39:36
Speaker 16: Thanks Chris.
39:37
Speaker 2: So feel's with there outside Buckingham Palace and a bit
39:40
Speaker 2: of a rainy London morning. We've got to get to
39:43
Speaker 2: a break. On the other side, we'll catch up with Jemton,
39:45
Speaker 2: Jeni and Carolinda. Also we'll look at the ABC taking a.
39:48
Speaker 1: Bit of a hit.
39:53
Speaker 3: Let's get into the panel now with Gemtonienni on the desk.
39:56
Speaker 3: He we're having a good chat while we're waiting to.
39:57
Speaker 2: Come up there or like Carolinder or say, skin is
40:00
Speaker 2: contributed to joining us from Perth. Cara, you're still tied
40:03
Speaker 2: up with this Liberal Party Bob twenty four percent lowest
40:07
Speaker 2: e appalling nationally.
40:08
Speaker 3: How can you Is it any silver ligning on that for you?
40:13
Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 18: Well, the silver lining is that we're still two and
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Speaker 18: a half years from an election, Chris. It would be
40:20
Speaker 18: it would be a shocking state of affairs if if
40:23
Speaker 18: we were six months from Look, look, it's not ideal, Chris,
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Speaker 18: I'm not. I'm not even going to pretend from that
40:29
Speaker 18: point of view. But you know it's this yere is
40:33
Speaker 18: the job of the parliamentary team and and you know,
40:35
Speaker 18: I'm obviously the state president here in Wa. My role
40:38
Speaker 18: is to look after the organization here and that's both
40:42
Speaker 18: our state and federal parliamentary teams as well. So you know,
40:46
Speaker 18: I was over in Campbell last week, so we had
40:48
Speaker 18: fedexec on on Friday and my commiserations, thank you, thank
40:52
Speaker 18: you as always.
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Speaker 16: But you know, all I would say is there is so.
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Speaker 18: Much ammunition there in relation to this government and we
41:00
Speaker 18: should absolutely be making that our focus and holding them
41:04
Speaker 18: to account because it's it's not like there's not much
41:08
Speaker 18: to go on. There's plenty of stuff to go on
41:11
Speaker 18: and everything else. Can we please get our house in order?
41:15
Speaker 18: Can we do it sooner rather than later. And sometimes
41:18
Speaker 18: you just need to deal with things, you need to
41:20
Speaker 18: cauterize them. So I'm glad our parliamentary team is all
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Speaker 18: talking to each other, particularly in relation to net zero,
41:29
Speaker 18: But can we get on with that and then can
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Speaker 18: we get on with the business of holding this government
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Speaker 18: to account?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely couldn't agree more now, Jemma.
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Speaker 2: When I saw the polling that last night, that wasn't
41:39
Speaker 2: surprised at or how could the Liberals go anywhere but backwards?
41:42
Speaker 2: When they are not focused on the government and putting
41:46
Speaker 2: up an alternative, they're just talking amongst themselves wondering what
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Speaker 2: to do.
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Speaker 8: It's so gloriously liberating to not be a member of
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Speaker 8: the party or president of a political party. So I
41:54
Speaker 8: can speak freely here, and I intend to speak freely.
41:57
Speaker 9: As a long suffering, frustrated liberal voter.
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Speaker 8: You know, they are chilly shallying around with an absolute
42:05
Speaker 8: It's a courage vacuum. The current parliamentary Liberal party s. Sorry, friends,
42:10
Speaker 8: I've voted for you, okay, but still you guys have
42:13
Speaker 8: no ticker, you've got no leadership.
42:15
Speaker 9: You don't know what you stand for.
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Speaker 8: If you do, you're too frightened to say so, net
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Speaker 8: zero is a fantasy. It is a fantasy if from
42:24
Speaker 8: a messaging perspective, there is so much ammunition to talk
42:27
Speaker 8: about a clean, green mix of energy that includes renewables,
42:31
Speaker 8: that includes planning for nuclear in the future, that doesn't
42:35
Speaker 8: plunge millions and millions of Australians and small businesses into
42:38
Speaker 8: energy poverty, that doesn't cripple manufacturing, that doesn't send investment
42:44
Speaker 8: to other places because the cost of our energy is
42:47
Speaker 8: so extraordinarily high. It is not hard these people, what
42:51
Speaker 8: are they doing in Parliament?
42:52
Speaker 3: What are they doing?
42:53
Speaker 8: Their heads so far up their own rectums, pardon my language,
42:56
Speaker 8: but they have their heads so far up their own
42:58
Speaker 8: back regions that I can't see that. This is actually
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Speaker 8: very very easy conversation to have. And if they don't
43:04
Speaker 8: believe me, I'm going to rhymind them of the lovely
43:07
Speaker 8: Al Gore and Tim.
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Speaker 9: Flannery is of this world. And if they want to drink.
43:10
Speaker 8: The kool aid and be an electoral oblivion forever, they
43:13
Speaker 8: are going right about it the right way.
43:15
Speaker 3: It is so easy.
43:16
Speaker 2: It is such an obvious policy point to be making,
43:20
Speaker 2: and they can't, you know, they can't.
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Speaker 3: Bring themselves to do it.
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Speaker 2: Because it might be difficult for some of them at
43:24
Speaker 2: their dinner party. Correct, well, you know, get with the program,
43:27
Speaker 2: win the argument.
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Speaker 8: And show some courage, show some show some intellectual rigor,
43:33
Speaker 8: and some courage. If you want to talk about who's
43:35
Speaker 8: doing what, Forget America.
43:36
Speaker 9: Forget your China.
43:38
Speaker 8: Two weeks ago, ten days ago, Reuters reported that China
43:42
Speaker 8: has put its eggs in.
43:43
Speaker 9: The nuclear basket.
43:44
Speaker 8: That the fastest lower missions, no emission source of energy
43:48
Speaker 8: in China from now to twenty forty it will be nuclear.
43:51
Speaker 9: Is nuclear?
43:53
Speaker 8: So much to talk about, but they are sorry, gutless wonders.
43:56
Speaker 3: Get crappy, Get crapy.
43:58
Speaker 9: I'm a liberal voter and you're a bunch of gutler wonders.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's go to optus. The fallout from
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Speaker 2: the Triple zero's scandals. Some studying answers to questions in
44:10
Speaker 2: the Senate inquiry. My biggest takeout was apparently the CEO
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Speaker 2: alerted his board to the Triple zero failings before he
44:20
Speaker 2: alerted the government authorities. Here's some of that hearing underway.
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Speaker 19: Has there been any contact back from the family?
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Speaker 6: Once again, Senator the privacy of the families as paramount.
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Speaker 9: He found that, But there is a direct question as
44:37
Speaker 9: to whether to answer that.
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Speaker 3: Question not I've reached out to the families.
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Speaker 19: No, no, that's not my question, mister Rue. Please do
44:44
Speaker 19: not duck and weave what I've asked. Have they indicated
44:48
Speaker 19: that they wished to meet with you. Has there been
44:50
Speaker 19: any other communication directly from the families to you or
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Speaker 19: anyone else at Optics.
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Speaker 3: I'm giving you a direct answer, and that is that
44:57
Speaker 3: the privacy of the family. No, that is not acceptable, mister.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that's to do with the families and any compensation.
45:04
Speaker 2: I would suggest all the families will be in contact
45:06
Speaker 2: with Optus and talking about that. But m Caroline, to me,
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Speaker 2: the key here, one of the key points at least,
45:13
Speaker 2: is that they're so keen to talk to the board
45:15
Speaker 2: about how to manage this.
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Speaker 3: When it's a triple zero crisis. The number one priority.
45:19
Speaker 2: Has to be the tell the administrative authority, tell the
45:23
Speaker 2: governments state and federal, make sure there's a way around this,
45:27
Speaker 2: save people, help people.
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Speaker 9: Well, you would think so.
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Speaker 18: I think they've probably got a bit of PTSD after
45:34
Speaker 18: the last crisis.
45:36
Speaker 9: But there was a crisis, and.
45:38
Speaker 18: We've talked about this on this show many times about
45:41
Speaker 18: not wasting a crisis. So I would love I would
45:44
Speaker 18: love to know is there crisis protocol? Quick call the
45:48
Speaker 18: board and let's work out what we do before we
45:50
Speaker 18: call the authority, because that there is really concerning if
45:54
Speaker 18: it is, because you know, the first thing you would
45:56
Speaker 18: think is that you would alert the authorities, particularly if
45:59
Speaker 18: you're the SEA. Now we've heard plenty of calls for
46:02
Speaker 18: the CEO to go and whatever. Well the CEO went
46:05
Speaker 18: last time, So you can't just keep reciting. You can't
46:08
Speaker 18: keep cycling through CEOs and think you're going to solve
46:11
Speaker 18: a broader cultural issue or a broader competence issue with
46:14
Speaker 18: the upper echelons of optus. So there really needs to
46:18
Speaker 18: be a proper sit down about how you actually manage
46:21
Speaker 18: this crisis, depending on the nature of the crisis, how
46:24
Speaker 18: you go about it, and sure let the board know,
46:27
Speaker 18: absolutely let the board know. But when it is something
46:30
Speaker 18: as critical as life and death, the first people you
46:33
Speaker 18: go to is the authorities.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
46:36
Speaker 2: I've got to switch to another subject before we run
46:38
Speaker 2: out of time. Gemma, the ABC they love to quote
46:41
Speaker 2: all their polling every year that shows how they're so
46:44
Speaker 2: trusted and whatever, but they've slipped backwards backwards by about
46:47
Speaker 2: ten percent on their public trust.
46:50
Speaker 3: That's hardly surprising.
46:51
Speaker 2: Surely there must be some ABC viewers who might check
46:54
Speaker 2: what they say about the Middle East conflict, for instance,
46:57
Speaker 2: and climate change against reality.
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Speaker 9: I would be very surprised if that were the case.
47:00
Speaker 8: But also it's not that surprising when you consider how
47:03
Speaker 8: much market share that they've lost in terms of their listenership,
47:06
Speaker 8: and so that would obviously be reflected of a people
47:09
Speaker 8: don't churn off for no reason. They turn off because
47:12
Speaker 8: the content is not enough or because there is.
47:16
Speaker 9: A trust issue.
47:17
Speaker 8: I used to be I mean, I've shared many times
47:20
Speaker 8: my first ever job as a journalist was the ABC
47:22
Speaker 8: Karatha nineteen ninety five, back when there were no traffic
47:26
Speaker 8: lights in Karatha.
47:27
Speaker 9: Get a too running, Karatha, Who's watching tonight?
47:29
Speaker 8: I mean it was a very different place then, and
47:34
Speaker 8: I would objectively say that.
47:38
Speaker 14: It is not.
47:41
Speaker 9: I don't really watch anymore.
47:42
Speaker 8: Put it this way, I used to be the person
47:43
Speaker 8: who watched or listened to Radio National first thing in
47:45
Speaker 8: the morning. I don't bother anymore because there are many
47:49
Speaker 8: more credible sources of news.
47:54
Speaker 9: For me to start my day and become.
47:56
Speaker 8: And I think the other thing is like as someone
47:58
Speaker 8: who works in this space, I don't I don't trust
48:00
Speaker 8: that they're not biased. I don't trust that I'm going
48:03
Speaker 8: to get two objective sides to any given story at
48:06
Speaker 8: any given time.
48:07
Speaker 2: I listened to already our national so I can hear biased,
48:10
Speaker 2: because that gives me good contact, good content. Thanks for
48:14
Speaker 2: joining us, Jimmy and Caroline. We'll catch you next week
48:16
Speaker 2: and we've got time. Yeah, just a bit of time
48:17
Speaker 2: to include some of your feedback from what I had
48:20
Speaker 2: to say last week about Jim Chalmers getting his hand
48:22
Speaker 2: on your superannuation for government investment priorities.
48:25
Speaker 3: Dan says, leave our super alone.
48:27
Speaker 2: It's for our retirement, not for you to use as
48:30
Speaker 2: a slash fund, and another viewer says if there's money around,
48:34
Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers wants it. And one more, Paul says government
48:38
Speaker 2: must not have access to or influence our super investments.
48:42
Speaker 2: They already waste our tax dollars and will waste our
48:44
Speaker 2: super if they get a chance to spot on. Keep
48:47
Speaker 2: them away. Thanks for watching tonight. I'll be back tomorrow
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Speaker 2: night at five o'clock