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Eric Chevrette - Navigating Fatherhood, Career Shifts, and Building a Legacy · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

• 0:03
  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Riley and I'm Ryder, and this is my dad show.
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the quarterback dad cast, and, as I promised, we do finally have a new and exciting sponsor that's going to be joining us over the next 13 weeks or so, and they it is called the authentic edge podcast, which is going to be launching very, very soon.
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: It is a podcast that is led by the fantastic and successful Jason DeLuca and executive sales and people leader at Dexian, as well as with a Paul DeFrancenzo, who is a global sales leader at indeedcom.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: This podcast, authentic edge, as I mentioned, is, is launching in the next month and it's really about a journey into the heart and genuine relationships into the workplace.
• 0:50
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• 1:08
  Speaker 2: So, without further ado, let's get right to the next episode, and I hope that you check out the authentic edge wherever you consume your podcasts.
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the quarterback dad cast.
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: We are in season five, as you all well know, and we are recording in February.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: This episode will come out in a couple couple months because it's a good problem where we're backlogged with some fantastic dads.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: And this next one is one that I'm excited to interview because I met him at the fantastic TechServe conference in Amelia Island back in November and his name is Eric Chivret and he is the owner, president, founder of a company called IT360 Financial.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: We'll learn all about that.
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: He does a lot of work in supporting the staffing and consulting industry.
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: He's based in Montreal, canada.
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: We're not going to talk to you about CFL football, though it might get brought up in the lightning realm, but, more importantly, we're here to talk to Eric the dad, and how he's working hard to become that ultimate quarterback or leader of his households.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Without further ado, mr Chivret, welcome to the Quarterback Dadcast.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: Hello, thank you for having me, casey.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: You bet man.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited to educate myself.
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: We've had a few Canadians, and this is a French-Canadian.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: I think you might be the first French-Canadian we've had.
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: Oh amazing, I took two years of French in high school, so un peu.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: I don't remember much.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: How does it go?
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: How does it go?
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: I could say je m'appelle Casey, that's my name.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's wonderful.
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: That's good, that's good, wonderful.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: But it's been 30 years since I took French, so I do like the language, so let's go in English then.
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, good idea, that's probably our listeners will enjoy that.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: We always start each episode with gratitude, so tell me, what are you most grateful for as a dad today?
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: You know it's a gift when you have children.
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to have one daughter.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: She just turned in December 25.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: And you never know.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: As a dad, you know what will turn out.
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you think you put so much pressure on them.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: I was always a guy playing sports and I realized that sports was not hurting.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: And she became very, very talented singing, doing musicals and things like that.
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: And this is how she achieved her passion and I encourage her in the in the honor artistic side.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: For me it was pretty much the same thing as sports.
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: And now she's finishing university, a master's in psychology.
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: She's my little mother Teresa, so she's really a giver.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: She wants to take care of everyone and I'm very, very proud of her.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: My curious mind.
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: I got to slow it down because I already have questions, but I'm going to pause.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: I am grateful for a Tomorrow.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: We have nothing going on and that rarely happens, but I'm going to.
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to pause.
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: I am grateful for a uh, I get a tomorrow.
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: We have nothing going on and I rarely happen, so I'm grateful for uh.
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to sleep tomorrow.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to.
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to enjoy the morning with the family and my daughter has a high school basketball game tonight, so that'll be fun to go watch her compete.
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm grateful that my son he gets to go to watch a university of Washington versus Washington state college basketball game tomorrow night, so that'll be fun for them to go do and then hopefully play some golf on Sunday, and so I'm looking forward to just kind of chilling, because it's been a crazy start to the year, eric.
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: I've been, I've been speaking almost every week, and so it's nice to kind of like just slow down a little bit and yeah, so, well, cool, well, okay.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: So you talked a little bit about your daughter.
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: Bring me inside the family huddle.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: What does a day in the life look like at home for you?
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: The thing is I'm divorced, so basically my daughter's 25.
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: So she lives in another city, so I see her every month.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: I have an office in Quebec City city, so she lives east of me, maybe two and a half hours and, uh, it's always great discussion.
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: You know, she's sometime I think she has a very old, uh soul, uh, sometime I'm the dad, but sometime the way she speaks to me maybe it's because of the university degree that she has in psychology it's almost like if I have my own personal shrink.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not quite there yet, but that's exciting to hear.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: So we don't spend that much time together.
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean she has her own work, her own school, her own boyfriend, but we see each other every month.
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: So I enjoy the time we spend together.
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: We have a passion we love.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: We both love food.
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: So every time I go to Quebec City, she will have a new restaurant for me to try.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: So every month a new restaurant.
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: And this is how we connect together over a nice meal and we discover great restaurants, great food, great cultures.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: Very cool and when you get to spend time with her.
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: How much time do you get to spend with her every month?
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe three to five hours, you know, I mean depending if it's a seven course meal or a fast meal, but it's really over, uh, food sometime.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: Because she's artistic, you know, I mean I will go and see one of her show so I really enjoy that, you, I mean she sings like an angel.
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: She's been doing musical since she's four years old, so being 25, it's not a career, but she's been at it for so many years that she's really, really talented.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean singing, dancing, acting.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: So I even we had a great discussion, casey, this week, and I, never me I have 25,000 ideas a minute, 25 000 ideas a minute, and sometimes if I share too much with her, I feel that I put pressure because I'm very driven, business wise and things like that, and I try to tone it down a little bit, you know, to make it more like fun when we meet each other.
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: But I always seen her combining her education and her hobby and for the first time this week she told me Dad, I have an idea.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: I think I will do psychology, but using theater and musical as a remedy.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: A little bit like uh, uh, what was the name of that doctor that?
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, patch adams, you remember the doctor you know with uh yeah.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: So I mean that that's our way of giving back.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: Instead of going into a regular type of practice as a psychologist.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: She wants to incorporate her hobby in it, you know, and start her own practice.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: So I was very, very proud of her idea.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: Very cool.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: Where do you think where?
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: Actually one quick.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking when did you, when did you and your wife get divorced?
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: 13 years ago, so she was 12.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: She was 12.
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, a reason I ask that just interviewed somebody who's who's dealing with the challenges of you know custody and trying to understand you know the different types of time you get, and that that it was just really opened my eyes to uh, um, just some of those challenges but his attitude was so infectious about just he took the approach of I can't control what mom does.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: All I can control what I do and I can control the time that I get and I can control the values that I teach and, uh, it was just really inspiring to hear and I was hoping that, like another dad out there who might be going through something similar that might maybe he's not have the best mindset right now, but hearing someone who's maybe somehow dug deep, found that positive way to you know, see that a different view.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: And it was, it was, it was a positive conversation definitely.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: So I'd love to learn I always, instead of going deep into your daughter real quick and your and and dad life, I always like kind of rewinding the tape and going back to what was life like for you growing up and talk about what, what, what, what that was like, and talk about the impact your parents had on you yeah, I come from an entrepreneur dad and my mom was a teacher, so failure was not really in the card for me.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: I was pushed a lot by a mom as a teacher and my dad being a business owner.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of of challenges, you know.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, life is about challenges and do the best you can with what you have.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: I was born in a small village and when I moved to the city to go to high school for me I was born on a farm.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: My dad was a gentleman farmer, so we had three companies.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: He was the president of two or three associations Plus we had 150 sheep.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: So busy, busy guy.
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  Speaker 1: So very young, I had responsibility of taking care of the farm at 10 years old because he was traveling for business.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: So at a very young age we learned me and my sister responsibilities, you know, to take care of the family farm and I didn't really know when I grew up, you know what would I do.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: I had an artistic side also.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: I produced a lot of concerts back at university.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: So I produced many, many concerts and shows and I wanted to go in that route and I changed my mind and there was not a lot of job when I finished university in 92.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: So after many, many years of saying I would never work for my dad, I ended up working for my dad.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: So I worked for my dad for four years in the family business and he sold to the largest we were in the paper converting business.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: We had a factory in Buffalo, new York, and two factories in Montreal.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: And when he sold the company I had the decision to stay with him or move with the 700 pound gorilla that bought him and I move 700 pound gorilla that bought him and I move with the uh, the guy who bought him.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: And I did 17 years with them.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: I moved my family at the time to Toronto to open a factory and start the sales team.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: We bought another factory in Grand Rapids, michigan.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: You know so, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean I was the national sales manager for the family business, but it was not my family that owned the business anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So it was a little bit strange.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: The fact that my art was added, because for me deep inside it was still the family business Made us and the team achieve very huge goals and it was a great school for me because I was pretty young at the time.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: And when the honeymoon finished after 17 years.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: You know I had to rethink about my future.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: I was 40 years old, living in Toronto, away from my hometown and my own province, you know.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: So I had to change and do an 180 degree turn, going from what I knew from my youth to an industry.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: I had no clue about the financial services, you know, because I was born in the paper converting business.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: I was five years old and I was running in paper mills.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: So I thought I would finish my life with this.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: And when that happened, you know, I mean it was like a shock.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: It was almost like being kicked out of your own family.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: And you're 40, you're not old, but you're not a young kid, neither you know, and you have a house to pay and a kid and a wife at the time.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: So it was a rough time.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: But today, after 13 years of that experience I mean the 180-degree turn moving from what I knew very, very well to what I didn't know at all, was another experience, another school, and made life fun, you know.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: How does a 10-year-old learn to work on a farm?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Basically, your dad just say I'm gone for the week, you know what to do.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I believe in you.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Son, see you on friday.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: So wow, I was 10 years old, you know.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: And today, uh, I don't know about the states, but in canada we have, when you don't take proper, you don't take care of your kids properly, we call the uh authority.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I think today my dad would be in that situation, because in today's world we wouldn't do that to a 10 year old kid.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean some some days I was coming back from private school and you go in the farm and at the same time there's maybe 10-15 sheep giving birth, giving birth.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: So you're, wow, 12 years old.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I mean you have to deliver the baby.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: What do you know, a 10-year-old to deliver babies?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: They're popping all over the place, you know, and when there's a problem I was was calling the vet, panicking.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: So very early I had to deal with a stressful situation, maybe a little bit early, but that made me who I am today.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: As you think.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Now, real quick, Brad, I'm going to ask a question Are mom and dad still with us?
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: They're still with us, but they're not together.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: sorry, Okay, but they're still living okay.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're both 79.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, good for them.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: What are they up to these days?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: My dad kept the company when he sold to the big paper company.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: He kept one and he kept it till 75.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: So he sold it four years ago.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: It was a management buyout, so the general manager of the company bought him.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And that's not a sad story, but a story that makes me think.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: We always believe when you grow a business, you know some kind of an exit strategy and retirement.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: My dad not exactly when he sold the company, but a little bit before became very, very ill.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: He survived and he's still good.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I will probably go ice fishing we do trout fishing on ice here in Montreal, you know, up north but he lost 50% of his lung capacity, you know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: So he cannot do much.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And it makes me think, casey, sometime, you know, I mean retirement or maybe a switch or a change of your career, but retiring and be on a rocking chair, I don't think it's in the cards for me, because I saw my mother retiring at 52.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And it was a very very long retirement.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: What do you do from 52 to 79 when you don't have nothing much to do?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: And I saw my dad being very pumped all the way to 75, being active and having a company, you know.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: So always have those two pictures, my dad and my mom, in my head running my business with yeah, okay, an exit plan, but an exit plan for what exactly?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, for the next chapter in your life, you know.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But to retire and do nothing?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I mean I spent 20 years in corporate and I thought I was going to.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I was going to, you know, really take a lot of time off at age 40, 41 and think about what I wanted to do.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And, um, I was.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I was very, I would say, fortunate, lucky, right guy, right time, right place, right clients Um, uh, probably did better in the business than I thought I would ever do.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: And but then you, as a driven, competitive person, sitting still is not a good option, and I found quickly that I was like I want to, and so that's what kind of led me to write my book, start this podcast, and then this coaching and speaking journey found me and now I love it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I love it so much and so it's and what's fun is like as a dad, I can kind of show my kids like Kind of what you did, the pivot of like you left the family business and you've pivoted and you figured something else out and you're being successful in this.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: But I think it's those journeys of kind of like trying to stay in this growth mindset and I hope, when I'm 96 and grown and then old folk home and I'm learning how to do something else and figuring something different.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Out of curiosity, where do you think your dad's drive came from?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Uh, it came from.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Uh, he was the first one in all our families being in business.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, and uh, in montreal, the way we were raised, you know, and uh, I, I don't want at all, casey, to do any politics during the podcast, you know, but it's more like the facts of life.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: You know, we're French, okay, and back in the days businesses were mainly on the English side.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So in Montreal we're barely at the third generation of business owners speaking French.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So our grand-grandfather were mainly working for English-speaking folks.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: So all my, if we look at all the chevrettes from back, back back in the days, none of them were in business.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And my dad's drive is I will show you, I will break the cycle of working for someone else.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Everybody in the family work for someone else, I will work for myself.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And that was a drive Like it was more than a drive, it was like a fire.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: My dad had so much passion be his own boss and grow and build something.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, he was very, very proud of the number of families over the years that had the money to pay for their kids and their things, you know.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So when he sold the company, his main focus was not how much money I will make with the company, but are you going to keep all the workers and continue the the project you know?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I I learned a lot from from my dad, business wise.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: We have wonderful discussions together.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's so cool.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: As you think back to this journey of growing up, at what point did you kind of stop and were present about your dad's entrepreneurial skills that made you kind of piqued your curiosity or your interest to say, well, I want to do that, I want to be like my dad.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to be 100% honest with you, I always, as a kid, saw my dad so high in the sky competing against who he was.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: For me as a character in the community, in the business world, it was almost like an unachievable goal, okay.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And deep inside there was always like a friendly competition between me and not him because he's not competing with me.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, but me, there's always that five-year-old kid that wants to make his dad proud, uh.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So basically, uh, I was driven by showing my dad that I could do something as valuable as him without ever telling him Okay.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: So it's more like we're always a five-year-old kid for someone and even if I'm 55 today, I will always be a five-year-old kid taking care of the farm while he's away and you don't want him to come back and be unhappy with the work you've done and it drove me all my life.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Today I need to free up myself in a sense, you know, from that pressure because at the end of the day, you achieve what you achieve.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You do what you do because you love to do it, but it's a journey to do it, you know.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: What is your daughter's name to do it, you know um.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: What is your daughter's name?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: eugenie, eugenie I actually used to have a eugenie.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Is it governor eugenie or eugenie?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in french we say eugenie, so I um, there was a client of mine shout out to eugenie dow, if you're out there.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I, that was my, one of my clients in business and she was from montreal or canada.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, she's from canada and she was from Montreal or Canada.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was from Canada and she's fantastic.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed working with her back in the day, but that was the uh, it was another Eugenie, I know and then she went.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I can't remember where she went after that, but I've talked to her in years, but there's two out there that at least I know now.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So my question is for that journey of grit and resilience and hard work that your dad and mom taught you, um journey of grit and resilience and hard work that your dad and mom taught you and the entrepreneurial spirit as you, when you, when you and your wife were together and even if you're not together now, it's just as a parent what were some of the, the core values you taught Eugenie that are most important to you?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: basically, I try to do a little bit the opposite.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I think that life is like a pendulum.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Some people felt pressure from their parents.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: So even if the parents didn't want to put pressure, you know, when I have discussion with my mother or my dad, they're hard-working people and they didn't put pressure per se with a desire to put pressure.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: It's just the way they live their life.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And I felt the pressure me.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I tried to put uh, no pressure on my daughter, but I realized with the art to art discussion that we have some time that even if I tried my hardest not to put any pressure, she felt the pressure.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And the pressure is not in words.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: The pressure sometimes is just in the way I live my life, the way I talk about my job, the way I talk about my employees and my business.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: It's definitely not the pressure per se that I put on her, but I realized that the way I am, who I am, I did exactly the same thing that I didn't want to do.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So I felt the pressure, even if my parents didn't want to put pressure.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to put pressure on her, but I think unconsciously I put pressure on her the way I operate my life.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: When did she tell you that?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: The last couple of months have been more open-heart discussion.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: You know, she's 25.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: She felt pressure also when we uh, when we divorce.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Uh, she was more because I I was honestly a little bit like my dad, you know, traveling most of the week, so she spent more time with, uh, my ex-wife, who was a teacher also at the time.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So I call them the Velcro sisters.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: They were really close to each other and Eugenie was 12.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So obviously she stayed with her mom and I saw her one weekend out of two, okay, weekend out of two, okay.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: But when she grew up and they moved not too far from where I was living, I thought that, uh, it would be a good thing.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You know that the she spent one week with me, one week with uh, with her mom and things like that, and for her I didn't again, I didn't know that, you know, I mean, it's a discussion that we've been having since a couple of months on different subjects.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: But she felt that pressure of having to choose between mom and dad.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And she told me and I was flabbergasted you know, casey, to be honest with you, as a dad, you want to do well, you don't want to, but I think every parent should pay the first 10 sessions to the shrink, to their kids, because this is a cycle, a cycle that we keep going after, you know.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I mean every kid will say that their parents screwed them up and it's going to be like that for another hundred years.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Joking aside, you know she said oh, dad, you know why do you think?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I left the house at 18 years old To make sure that I was not feeling the pressure from none of you.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Where am I going to live?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I will live by myself and I don't have to choose, because I love you both.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: That's pretty tough, sure.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine that when you have that kind of discussion, you know, with your daughter.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: She was not sour about it, you know, but she, she, she, she has the, the, the strength, and I, I don't think I will ever have that kind of strength at 25 years of age, you know, to be able to say that to your dad.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I'm 55, and even if I have great discussion with my dad, I will never go that far or that close or in depth with explanation.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's the fact that she's studying in that field, but I'm very impressed with how mature she is.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: You know, she's a very surprising young woman.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I will.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I will without knowing you.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Well, this is.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I met you once in person, I've talked to you twice on zoom, but as you're telling me that story, like she, she learned that from, I would think, mom and dad, so I would, I'm going to give you guys credit.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, she's going to school, but somewhere along that journey she had learned how to communicate.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: She learned how to communicate.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: She learned how to do the things that your dad taught you, that you've taught her.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was the way she learned it, but I would be one to bet it was something you and your wife did and she Definitely a little bit, a little bit of uh each of us in there.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: But uh, kudos to her, uh, and how grown up she is to have that kind of deep discussion with her parents.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: No, I'm very proud of her.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Well, and then I think that's the goal.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: You mentioned sports earlier.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you said not her thing.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Where did your love of sports come from and what sports did you play?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Me.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You saw me.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You know I'm six foot tall.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: But back in the days, you know, I was always the shortest guy in the team.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I grew up when I was 15.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So a little bit late, but I was an amazing hockey player, but too small.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So when you play physical, all the guys that I was making fun of when I was so fast but they couldn't touch me because there was no body check.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: When body check came I was crushed because I was so small.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So at the time I stopped playing hockey and I became a very good soccer player.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I was maybe 16 years of age.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I played in two teams, I started a soccer school for the kids in my village and I was a referee and a coach.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: So I usually do things on the excessive side.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I wonder where you learned that Play in two teams, start a soccer school, be a referee and be a coach yeah, so no, soccer became my passion and I really, really, really enjoyed that sport.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Now I'm back to playing hockey twice a week, but I always played sports, so hockey and soccer are the main one for me.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Me, this is what I enjoy.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I know you're a football player.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I love yeah, I love football, but actually I love hockey.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Hockey is one of my favorite sports.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I'm a big seattle kraken fan.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we let me, my son.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: We watch almost every game together.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Um, I was lucky enough to interview a guy named john Forslund, who's the Seattle Kraken play-by-play announcer, and it was.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: If you're a hockey guy, you got to find this episode because when Forslund was seven years old and I asked him, I said how did you know you wanted to be a hockey announcer growing up?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: He said when I was seven, I told my dad.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I asked my dad when his buddies would come over to watch the Bruins play.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: His buddies would come over to watch the Bruins play.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I said, dad, could we put the game on mute and I'll announce the game to your friends?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And his dad said, sure, I'll let you do that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And I mean I said, man, johnny, I don't think your dad's a better dad than me, because I would have told my son to beat it Like, hey, no, I'm going to have my buddies over, but to have the grace and the patience to be able to let your son, like ignite his passion.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And now he's probably in his fifties now and he's one of the best hockey announcers in all of the NHL so that's an amazing story.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's fun.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Well, seven years, seven years old.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Hello everybody, my name's Craig Coe and I'm the senior vice president of relationship management for Beeline.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: For more than 20 years, we've been helping Fortune 1000 companies drive a competitive advantage with their external workforce.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: In fact, beeline's history of first-to-market innovations has become today's industry standards.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I get asked all the time what did Casey do for your organization?
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: And I say this it's simple.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: The guy flat out gets it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Relationships matter, his down-to down to earth presentation, his real world experience applied to every area of our business.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: In fact, his book Win the Relationship and Not the Deal has become required reading for all new members of the global relationship management team.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: If you'd like to know more about me or about Beeline, please reach out to me on LinkedIn.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: And if you don't know Casey Jaycox, go to CaseyJaycoxcom and learn more about how he can help your organization.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Now let's get back to today's episode.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: As you think about all the lessons you said and this story is fantastic and this is what I love about this podcast is just getting to know people and dads at home.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It does not take a podcast to have conversations like these.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: It takes us a little curiosity and time, which we all have.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It's a choice if you want to use it.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: So, as you think about, um, if you had to say two or three values that you learned from your dad that, uh, you and your, your wife or ex-wife were, were really wanted to teach Eugenie, what would?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: What would what comes to?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: mind.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Perseverance is probably what describe our family DNA.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: We're not quitters.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: We persevere in different fields but we persevere.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: My mother back in the days it was not very popular for teachers to go to university, you know, I mean she was born in the 44 but she did her university by night.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It took her 10 years.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So even if she was not a business person, perseverance was really a value that she had.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: She still has, and my dad business-wise and all the projects, dad business wise and all the projects.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So I think this value is passed to eugenie a lot and I see that in the way she tackled problems that she faced in life.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So perseverance is really dear to my heart.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, love it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: What else comes to mind besides being able to persevere, follow your goals, follow your dreams?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for us, being proud of what we accomplish is wonderful, but humility is a great value.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: To succeed at what you do, that's great.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You pat yourself on the back.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But humility is the key for me, because I saw my dad being very not successful.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I will give you an idea.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: At one point it was so funny the sheep that we had were sheep, not for the wool but for the meat, okay, very bulky sheep.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And we my job was to do exhibition.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So during the winter you take care of the farm, but during the summer months you go from one city to the other doing exhibition to show to judges and the public your results.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: You know when you have judges.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You know if you've been to agriculture exhibition, you know there's a judge and he goes, and one to whatever, and he classified the sheep.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: So the first time my dad did it, I mean it was a disaster.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, he showed up with the sheep and knew nothing, and my dad is my hero.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: But to cut properly the wool on top you say wool, the wool on top of the sheep he took a very sharp automatic razor.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, and that's not what you're supposed to take.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So what he did?
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: He damaged the body of the sheep so bad.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: You know that there was blood all over the place.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: You know because he was going two, three inches cut, cut the meat two, three inches cut the meat.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And every time you cut the meat, you know I mean there's blood, so there's a spray, a blue spray that you put.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: So it's almost like if the judge had to judge sheep and also a blue leopard because he had so much spot on top of his back because of the cut, but that we still think and talk about it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: You know, but my dad after that, you know, he didn't stop, he kept at it and learn and made me learn how to do and how to trim the sheep and take some courses and things like that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So it's, it's very it's.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: It's really the way we are, you know, I mean you, you start and you suffer, you win after, but you know where you're coming from.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: So you stay humble because you know you were not always on top of the mountain, you started at the bottom, you made mistakes and along the way you correct the direction and you move up the ladder.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: But humility is something that we appreciate and winning as a team is more enjoyable than winning by yourself.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So we were and there's nothing good or bad, you know.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I mean some people are people prefer to win by themselves.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Me, even, when I do something great, I never do it alone, because I have 15, 20 people in my team and we all have a part to play.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And for me, when we win a contract or we win something, I'm always speaking in the we, because I learned that from my dad also the humility, even if you win, so you don't rub it in the face of others because you succeeded, you celebrate with humility.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Love it, I love.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Humility is one of my core values that drives me.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: The other two are curiosity and vulnerability.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: My football coach in college told me Casey, if you ever have to tell me how good you are, you're not that good.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: When you're great, I'll tell you.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: That always stuck with me.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Great, I'll tell you.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: That always stuck with me.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: And even at K-Force I was lucky enough to be.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: If I would win an award, I'd get on stage and I'd give a speech every year at this awards trip.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that drove me was not the recognition, wasn't the financial awards, wasn't the trip.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: It was when my CEO said man Casey, you've had a bigger year this year than you did last year, but you're more humble this year.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And that's what drove me, because I didn't want to be someone that people thought, oh, what an arrogant prick.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't want, I didn't.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's you know playing court, the position of, of playing quarterback.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: It's like the goal is to get, inspire 10 people to play really, really hard for you in the huddle and then have your defense play hard for you.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Your coaches play hard for I mean all these things, and so it's like that position of quarterback.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: That's why kind of the theme of this podcast is, you know, quarterback can be a leader on a team.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: A dad think about ways to sharpen your leadership skills as a home.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: And moms can be leaders leaders too but this is just ways to like help dads improve their leadership skills.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Um, so I love that you're teaching humility.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Um, I love perseverance.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Like you know, life's gonna throw us challenges we all know that but it's, it's how you you know.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: There's another great quote.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Someone told me that's the guy, tony bennett, who's a basketball coach in the united states.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: He said that adversity is life's golden ticket yes so, when you lean, when you can, when you have challenges, like instead of like complaining or oh, this sucks, like, we'll lean into it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Well, why is this happening to me?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: What can I learn from it?
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: What can make a choice, figure out the positive to get back on track.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: So love this.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: This is a fun conversation, man.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed learning more about you.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: One of the questions I also like asking dads is and you kind of talked about it with pressure, so I don't know if the answer will be different but as you think about an area of your dad game that you maybe isn't or wasn't exactly where you wanted it, and an area where you wanted to improve as a dad, or maybe you're still working to improve as a dad, and mine is I'll lead my witness here, eric mine's patience as a competitive driven guy, sometimes my patience gets the best, me and but having this podcast and being able to talk to people like yourself and 230 other dads so far, it's like free therapy.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So for you, tell me what comes to mind as an area of your dad game that you're working hard to become a better leader.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: So the question is how my dad helped me become a better leader.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: This is it, Casey, Sorry.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: No, it's okay, I said more for you.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: What is an area of you as a dad, maybe an area that you're looking to become better?
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: What part of you is it you want to improve, this part of you being the way you parent?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a tendency to block myself from emotions.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I keep it on the surface, that way I don't have to go too deep and feel uncomfortable, and my daughter is a great coach because she will tell it to you the way it is.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: So, basically, as a protection mechanism, sometimes you keep it to the surface, you know.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: That way you don't have to feel uncomfortable.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: So I think that what would make me a better dad would be to follow her footstep and open up a little bit more with her, with tough discussions, which it's not natural for me.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: It's maybe it's my generation, you know I mean my dad never opened up to me my mother, neither.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You know I mean my dad never opened up to me.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: My mother, neither, you know.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I mean it was like more.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: You do what you have to do and that's it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: You know and I don't use that as an excuse at all I want to be a better person, I want to be a better dad and definitely, if there was something that I could do better would be to let go the goalie a little bit.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean my goalie is very fast, you know, I mean I'm like, I'm like flurry, I mean the equipment goes back up, you know, and uh.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: So.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I need to let go.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So I let.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I need to let go a little bit the goalie and the pads and open up a little bit more.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Let's go with an empty netter.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Let them score.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: That's it, yeah, but I mean what you just said is so powerful, eric, because it's being vulnerable, and I think once we all, as dads or leaders or teammates or whatever we are we're all flawed humans, that is, we all have that in common I've yet to meet the perfect person.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, if you're out there, call me Mr Perfect, mr Mrs Perfect person, cause I haven't met him yet.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Um, so it's like sooner we can just admit that.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Then at least we know okay, it's okay to mess up it, just let's do something about it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: It's okay not to know something, but let's do something about it, and I love that answer.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, for people that don't know about IT360 Financial when I first met you guys at the TechServe conference in Florida, I had not heard you guys before.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: So educate us about the business.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: How can people learn more about you?
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: How can people learn more about the company?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I'd love to learn more about it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: So it goes back to how my dad had to fight against the 700 pound gorilla.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: My dad was smaller but he was way more agile and when I started the financial services I did exactly what he showed me is niche market one-stop shop.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So the offer that we put together is a one-stop shop financial planning, accounting and all services that independent contractors would need.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: So we team up with agencies, staffing firms and staffing agencies in Canada and now we opened up in the States last year where basically we work in conjunction with the staffing firm to add value to their offering by showing their independent contractors that one-stop shop that can help them out with everything they need to navigate their independent contractors life and career.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So we do, we create corps for those guys.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: We do bookkeeping, accounting, payrolling, insurance, pension plan, everything.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So the one-stop shop that my dad created in the paper industry that's exactly what I wanted to create and not to the masses.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: But I have only one client independent contractors incorporated in Canada and in the United States.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: That's what we do wow, as you, as you kind of broaden the, the service offering to United States from Canada.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: What was was it?
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Easier than you expected, harder than you expected?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: What surprised you?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Easier as far as the opening A lot of firms that we met at TechServe Alliance.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: That was really our first appearance in the States and we saw that there was a need and the embrace idea.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: What's more difficult now, where it's done but, was to create and work with different products, different state laws, different taxes.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: But after this has been said and done, it's pretty similar.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, basically, you're an independent contractor, you want to protect your capacity to earn a living, so you need disability coverage.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: You want to minimize the amount of taxes you pay to maximize your retirement.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It's very similar.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the products, the strategies will change a little bit.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: We had to adapt the service offering to the states.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: But as far as the relationship with staffing firms, they really, really embrace.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, I mean, I didn't know there was someone doing it.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: That's pretty easy to do business with you because it's an easy button.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: You don't have to extend your neck as a staffing firm and improvise to say things that you shouldn't say.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: You just bring those guys to the IT360 financial program where those guys will do all the evaluation for their contractors, recommend what best suits them, is it LLC, s-corps, what to do with the money.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: So no, the response has been very, very good.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Very cool.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I love that in the spirit of dads.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about here.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Like everything you learn from your dad, you're applying it, you've shared it with Eugenie.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: She's even kind of challenging you, with which I love and you're, and you're vulnerable enough to learn, which is obviously probably bringing tightening up your relationship with your daughter that much better.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Hence the, the great meals you have once a month, and the, the food, or, however, how often, how often you guys get to get together?
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Um, what's the best way?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: If people want to learn more about you, how can I, how can I make sure that they can learn about you?
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: What's, what's the best place to send them?
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: basically it's echevrettefinancesti360.com for an email or just go on the website IT360 Financial.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: So just Google IT360 Financial.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: You will end up on my website and will be more and more present in the States In 2024, we're doing four or five different staffing shows.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Really enjoyed the experience with TechServe Alliance.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Met a lot of great people.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Enjoyed the experience with TechServe Alliance, met a lot of great people.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I met you, which is something, so thank you for having me.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: It was really a great experience to open up with you and your people, so thank you for that, casey, really appreciate it.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: You bet, man, We'll make sure all this is tagged in the show notes.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: It's now time, Eric, what I call the lightning round, where I ask you questions.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what I'm going to ask.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: This is going to show you the negative hits of taking too many hits in college not bong hits, but football hits and which I have a screw loose upstairs.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: You're going to find this out in a second.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, your job is to answer them as quickly as you can.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: My job is to get a giggle out of you.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: That's wonderful.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Are you ready?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, I am.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, true or false.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: You once taught Wayne Gretzky how to skate False.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, true or false?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Strange brew two is going to come out in 2025 and you're going to be the lead character, false.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I just laughed at my own joke.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Have you seen strange brew?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: No, oh, you got it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: You're a Canadian.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: You got to see this.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: It's one.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: It is fine.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: It is the worst movie, but you got to have it over a couple of beers.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: It is an atrocious movie with Rick Moranis.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: It's called.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Strange Brew.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look it up.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: You won't get life back, but you will Is it the one that he's wearing a very ugly cap.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: It's called Strange Brew.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Strange Brew yeah, him and his brother Doug and Bob McKenzie.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: They go up and they try to like.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It's such a hard way to describe, but it's funny.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're wearing lumberjack outfit and something like that Is it?
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one, eh.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Okay okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, tell me the last book you read Yours.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow, did not know that.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Tell me your favorite comedy movie ever watched.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Wedding singer.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I like that one.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: If you and Eugenie a dad daughter trip you're going to go on a vacation right now Thailand, there we go.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: That sounds fun.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: If I was to come to your house for dinner tonight up in Quebec, what are we going to have?
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: You're going to have Thai food.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Sounds good.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I'm actually getting pretty hungry here.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: If I was to go into your phone, what would be the one song that your company would be surprised you listen to?
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: The Cures.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, friday I'm in Love Nice.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: That's a good cut.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: That's going to be in my head now, thank you.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, if there was to be a book written about your life, tell me the title.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I wrote a book.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I told you it's coming out soon, okay.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I wrote a book.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: I told you it's coming out soon.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: There's a portion about my life.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: But if it was about my life, I think it would be the Perseverance Junkie.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Perseverance Junkie.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Okay Now, eric, the Perseverance Junkie is in every airport.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: It's in Toronto, new York, buffalo.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: It's selling out everywhere.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: No one can get their hands on it because all the copies are gone.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: So now Hollywood wants to make a movie and I need to know.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: You are the casting director.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: So who's going to star you in Perseverance Junkie?
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg, there we go.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: A little toughness, a little gritty.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I think you got him in height, though You're a little taller than Wahlberg, I think.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like his grit.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: He is gritty, I know I love it.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Funny, funny, oh, yeah, okay, last question Tell me two words that describe Eugenie.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Curious and artistic.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: You made it out that time flew by my good man.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: It's been a blast getting to know you.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I'm really, really grateful.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: The serendipity of our meeting in Florida happened.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you, team at TechServe.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I'm really grateful for my partnership with TechServe too.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: It's been a fantastic, I would say, springboard to the work I'm doing as a coach and speaker.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: If this episode has spoken to you at Dads at Home, please share it with someone else.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: If you've not taken time to leave us a review on any of the platforms where you listen to these episodes, that would be a huge ask and a huge help, because the more we get the word out, the more I have a chance to keep this podcast going.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: But without further ado, I want to say thanks again, eric, for your time.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: It's been great.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: It's been really, really great getting to know you, and I wish you a really happy and healthy rest of the year.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: My man, thank you buddy Take care.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: thank you, buddy take care.