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TheDocNCarolynPodcast.com Episode 144 (Rev 9) · TheDocNCarolynPodcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Well, welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's episode 144 of the Doc and Carolyn Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_05: My name is Doc Kilgore.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I am Carolyn Kilgore.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, NP, F N P C.
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  SPEAKER_05: We got all that straightened out last week.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_05: You know what you you know what kind of credentials you have now, right?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I have none, just a retired police sergeant, uh 25 years in the biz.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_05: So those are credentials.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, welcome to the show.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_05: It's nice to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_05: So um your practice is growing.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_05: It is in your eyes, girl.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_05: I watch you bounce around.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_05: Here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_05: You're super busy.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_05: You're you're busier than you were before.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_05: And uh I am excited with you.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_05: So what's going on?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_05: What's making you so with a walking on air attitude?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I talked to my first patient that I started with my bioidentical hormones.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: She's only been on it for a week.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, for people that didn't catch last week's show.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_05: What is bioidentical identity replacement therapy?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_05: Did I did I say that right?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: Bioidentical hormone replacement therapy.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's using hormones that are molecularly identical to the hormones in your body.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: So they're not synthetic.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_05: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_05: Is that is that the kind of thing that everybody will seek out as they age?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_05: Is that an aging thing?
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_03: Or is that depending on um if you're a woman and you're dealing with perimenopause or menopause, you know how miserable it can be.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: And this just helps you through.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_05: And you and what's what's updated with what you since last week?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: You you Oh, so she um I talked to her today and she's already feeling better.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_05: New patient.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_05: And she started on your Yes.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I also had a meeting with my supervising physician today just to make sure we're on the same page with a lot of things, and we are.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: So that was good.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_05: So your business is growing in front of your very eyes.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: And he I think last week we talked about the genetic testing.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: Was that last week?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I think I may be offering that fairly soon.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_05: Another service on top of what you offer now.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: And you do well visits.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, if somebody needs, you know, if they're not feeling well, scratchy throat, all that stuff, you can do some of that telemedicine as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yep.
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  SPEAKER_05: How cool.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm excited to be able to offer more services.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_05: So, what'd you think about meeting uh Detective Jeff Scher yesterday?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: He's an interesting guy.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, this this uh is a coworker kind of.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um listen, as a police officer, Cincinnati's a pretty big agency.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_05: 1,200 officers is the full compliment on that on that department.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_05: And so you don't get to see and meet everybody.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_05: So I knew about Jeff when I was working.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um when you're a uniformed police officer and you get a shooting that turns into a homicide, your job basically when you get there is just to obviously preserve the scene as much as you can, protect evidence, protect um witnesses.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: If you if you have somebody that you know is a witness to uh find out who they are and kind of hang on to them, encourage them to talk to the homicide guys, and they they show up, they're not quick, they're very methodical, and they show up slow.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_05: And little things that you would never expect mean anything.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_05: Let's say you walk into this crime scene, right?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_05: Uh we get the shooting, we walk in.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_05: As much as you can help it, they don't even want you to touch a light switch.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_05: Here's why.
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  SPEAKER_05: Because they may go and let's say the lights are on when you get there and you turn them off.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_05: They may interview somebody that says, Yeah, well, the first thing I did when I walked into the room before you guys got here was turn those lights off.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh.
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  SPEAKER_05: And so you have a witness, and I know when I walked in, well, the lights were on and I turned them off.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_03: So now your fingerprints are on that.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, fingerprints too, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: But but if the lights are off, that could mat that could matter.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_05: You know, if somebody brings that up as a as a as a component of their story or a part of their story, yeah, it could absolutely um impact the case that way.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it is interesting.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm kind of an investigator.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh oh.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_05: What if you did something with your shoulder there?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_05: It makes me nervous.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, when I'm working with my patients, my whole my whole purpose is to get to the bottom of why they're feeling like they're feelings.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: But I love that.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I have to do some investigation.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_05: But I love that about your practice because, and we talk about this all the time.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_05: If you have an issue and you go to the doctor, uh, they're gonna going to follow a prescribed treatment plan that is to manage your symptoms.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_05: To manage symptoms, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: And and what you do, you find out what the real what the what the root problems are.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Carolyn Kilgore, founder and provider at TrueHealing Healthcare.net.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_05: Why functional medicine?
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're more than just a list of symptoms.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: Traditional care often masks the problem, but functional medicine digs deeper to find the root cause.
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  SPEAKER_05: What makes true healing health care different?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: We move away from the one size fits all approach.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: We look at your environment and your lifestyle to create a roadmap tailored specifically for you.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_05: What if someone really wants to make a change?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: If you're tired of feeling fine and want to start feeling great, it's about proactive wellness, not just reactive treatment.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_05: What's the deal with telemedicine?
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: As long as you're 18 and have an internet connection, you can have a visit in the privacy of your own home or anywhere else in Texas.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_03: We're able to order labs or prescribe or whatever else you need.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_05: True Healing Healthcare.net for the great state of Texas.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_05: Just First48 being a reference.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_05: When they first came in town, how were you contacted?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_05: How did they talk to you, and how did you get on the show?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_05: Did they throw it up for everybody to for people to volunteer?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_05: Were you ordered to do it?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_05: Or how did that how did that begin?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we were volunt.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_04: We didn't want to do it.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_04: We didn't think it was a good idea.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh because I think we were when they came to Cincinnati, it was, I think, I think they'd only done at that point maybe four, three or four seasons.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I think Cincinnati was like season five, six, seven, maybe, and maybe part of season eight.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_04: So we're talking back in, they were in town in like oh four, oh five, oh six, oh seven, maybe.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: And we didn't want to do it because we were afraid that it would it would tell people, it would tell the the suspects how we did things, right?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh we didn't want we didn't want them to know that.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_04: So we kind of try to fight, fight not to do it, and we were voluntary to do it.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_04: And it was it was shortly after the riots, and um Tom Stryker was the chief at the time, and I I think his thought was it would be it would bring you know positive coverage to the city and the Cincinnati PD.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_05: So I think that's kind of rehabilitate the image.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that was the reason why we were given as why we're gonna do it.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_05: So once you're ordered to do it, when you'd get a call, when you get a case, how did that happen?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_05: Did you make the call to the television people and say, hey, we have uh have a job to work over here?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_05: How did how did that all the logistics of all of that work?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_04: So the way they first 48 worked back then, I'm assuming it's probably the same now, is they would send two camera people to the city.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and they would hang around the homicide office and wait, you know, like we did.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_04: We always said we sit around and wait for death.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_04: So if there was a call, if there was an outrun, they would follow the you know unit to go out, depending on how it works.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_04: So the way Cincinnati PD works, homicide, a partner pair were the leads on a case, and then there would be a supervisor on that case to help run buffer and do stuff as well.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_04: So if it happened during the day, everyone who was available would go out because you know the concept is uh the more the merry, the more detectives you got, the more eyes on the scene.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: So if it happened during the day, everyone would go out.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_04: But if as if as you and I were partners and we were up in the hole, we would be the leads on this case.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_04: So we were kind of directing other detectives to do, you know, witness interviews and stuff like that, where we would remain at the scene, go to the hospital, do that kind of stuff, the main bones of the case.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_04: If it happened at night, on night run, there was usually there were two detectives, uh, again, a partner pair on nights.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_04: And nights back then was we would work six to midnight.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_04: If it happened after midnight, then there was a um on-call pair who would get called in.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: Then you would go out and do the outrun with the criminalist.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_04: If you needed more people, then you know, uh um the boss on the case could say, well, you know, recall people and go from there.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_04: If it was, like I said, between midnight and six a.m.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_04: when when detectives would come in, then people would get recalled, and then I would go um from there, right?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_05: We're talking to uh Jeff Scherer, author of the book Shots Fired on Reading Road.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_05: We ordered the hard copy of your book, Jeff, and uh so we can't wait to get our hands on it.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_05: And we're gonna talk about that book.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_05: You get the you get the call, depending on what time it is, depends on the amount of personnel that uh show up and and work that scene.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_05: What is your headspace between calls?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_05: You talked about waiting for death.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_05: Does that take a toll on you?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_05: Is that hard to deal with?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, if you know as well as I do, um, and probably even your wife being a nurse practitioner is uh cops are really good at compartmentalizing things, right?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_04: So that's what you do is you kind of compartmentalize each case and not uh not really think about it.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_04: You you kind of when you get to a crime scene, whether it's a shooting, a stabbing, a homicide, a robbery, a rape, you know, uh even a simple uh criminal damaging, um, you you look at at things as evidence.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_04: You don't really look at it as a dead body as a dead body, because I mean I never knew them.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes I might have come in contact with you know with the police department in the past, I might have come in contact with them as uh I arrested them, you know, years ago for this or that.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: But you have to look at it as a as a piece of evidence.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_04: A body's a piece of evidence.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_04: You're looking for hair, for fibers, for stuff like that.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: So you can't really think of them as a real person.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: So you compartmentalize that part.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_04: And when you go to the scene and kind of go back to the original question with first 48, with uh first 48, there was two camera people um in the city.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_04: So they would hop in the cars with us.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_04: So they would be, you know, filming us as we're going to the crime scene.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_04: And if it was Kurt and I, we'd kind of talk between the two of us of you know what we're gonna do, who's gonna do what, you know, who do we got coming, which criminalists, things like that.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_05: Jeff, when you say who's gonna do what, you divide duties, is so does that mean that you would net maybe track down witnesses and Kurt would how do you decide who does what?
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of on the fly.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes it's like, you know, we would take turns doing stuff.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_04: So we when we got there, when we when we got to the scene and say that the body's there, uh homicide unit does a report called Report of Investigation.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_04: And that gets all the, you know, the name, um, the address, all the particulars of the victim, who was uh who's who last saw the victim.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: And then you have to write a narrative of the description of the victim, how they were found, their clothing, uh, wounds, things like that.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_04: And then all that all goes up to the coroner's office and the coroner.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: So when they do the autopsy, they have the description.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_04: They can kind of figure out um how the crime scene looked as they're doing the autopsy.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: So sometimes we would decide that, yeah, it's my turn to do the narrative.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_04: So I would sit there and write down a description of the body.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: The body's facing east on the, you know, body is uh male, you know, black, white, Hispanic, you know, appear to be six foot, 200 pounds, uh, that kind of stuff.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he's on his stomach, he's on his back, uh, like that.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_04: If there's any lividity, lividity is where the blood pools.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_04: So that kind of stuff.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_05: So I I've watched a lot of those detective shows.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_05: So from that moment where you're gathering that basic information to the time you close the case is about an hour, right?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_04: At least sometimes we're on scenes, you know, for four, five, six, seven hours, eight hours, depending on how expansive it was.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like a police, police and police involved shootings.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, hell, you could be there for you know 12, 14, 20 hours.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, how big the crime scene was.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_05: Do you have any cases that really stick out because they were unusual?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_05: Do you have do you do you have a scene that you that you got on that that that may remind you of you would not believe this if I told you?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_05: Not necessarily graphic or gory, but something that just says this just didn't uh seem normal.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, that's it's kind of funny too.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, obviously the Donald Martin, Patrolman Donald Martin case.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: I wasn't on I wasn't on scene on that one, obviously, but that's one of the ones that really sticks out.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_04: But um, there was one in terms of like you can't make the shit up type of thing.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we had a call for a homicide of five points over in District 2.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I know exactly where I never worked District 2, but I know that I've I've worked some posts there.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, me neither.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: I never worked it either, but you know, it's a short, it was not uh Pop Skipping, you jump away from District 4.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: Gilbert comes in there, Montgomery Road comes in there all through all there.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_04: They called a five points over there.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_04: So there's a homicide there.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh guy was shot with a shotgun with a deer slab.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_04: So the first shot was to the center chest, I put him down, and the second shot they put underneath his like underneath his nose and blew his head off, right?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_04: So there's there's brain matter all over, there's you know, bits and pieces of shit of uh a skull, all that stuff all through the crime scene.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_05: Hey Jeff, I worked that hey Jeff, I was on that scene.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: So you remember that uh it was around dusk, right?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: And what comes out of dusk in that area in the hood of feral cats?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_05: I was I relieved that scene and that tape was up for a long, long time.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_05: And I was sent to relieve an officer that was on post.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_05: And when I pulled up and got out of my police car to relieve this officer so he could secure, first thing he says, listen, you got markers, evidence markers, there, there, there.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_05: Some of that is biological.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_05: He said, but you got to keep your eyes open because cats, and he he told me this.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's I I cannot believe you just said you just said this because this this other officer told me cats are stealing parts of this person's skull.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_04: So you have to call we had a call for standby cars to stand um guard around there because I'm I mean, the funny thing was is I'm sitting there writing my notes and I hear, Pardon the French, hey motherfucker, drop it.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_05: It's a fascinating story.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_05: We we talked yesterday.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_05: How long had you been a homicide detective when you got that case?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I went down to homicide in 02, and this we got this in 05, so it'd been there about three years.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_04: And can you Kurt and I went down about the same time?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: I went down in July, August of 02, and I think Kurt came down in like October, November of 02.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_05: Something like that.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_05: It's fascinating.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_05: So you're three years in.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_05: How many case open cases are you working after three years down there?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_04: True, a lot.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I've sat down at one point and figured I've probably seen, I've probably seen between um, you know, homicides, homicide suicides, baby deaths, suspicious deaths, uh, you know, working in district four investigations and just being a cop in general, probably like 3,000 dead bodies, I'd say.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_05: So you're so so you have open cases, you have cases you're working.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_05: How how do you get this 44-year-old murder case?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_05: How does that happen?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_05: Because your your plate is already full.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, you so you said you were voluntold.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: This came in, it was like around, I think it was November of 05.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and this was it was around quarter till four.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: We worked eight to four down on homicide.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_04: We're all getting ready to leave.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and uh Lieutenant Kim Fry, who was a homicide commander at the time, comes in and says, Hey, District One's got some lady over there uh with some information on a homicide case.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: Who wants it?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you two.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: And she looks at Kurt and I, and we got it just because of where our desks were when she came down the hallway.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_04: So she gives it to us, and we're like, ah, shit.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_05: Hey Jeff, how often how often does that happen where somebody calls and hey, I got something on this case from 10 years or five years or four years ago?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_05: Does that happen a lot?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: Not from like a long time ago.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um, some of the times they'll they'll go directly to Crime Stoppers, and Crime Stoppers will, you know, send it up through uh the Crime Stoppers tip through a form if they think it's good information, then you know, Crime Stoppers will try to get them to talk to a detective.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, there's it's not rare, but it's not it doesn't happen a lot.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so you so you're kind of so you're ready to go, if I'm hearing you right.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_05: You're at your desk, you and Kurt ready to walk out, you're at the end of your shift, and it doesn't happen all the time.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, there's a tip to follow up on.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_05: She comes in and says, You two, because of where your desk is.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_05: So what do y'all do?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, ma'am?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: I guess that yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well, this one was in particular because it it came in as uh about an unsolved cop killing.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: That was uh that was yeah, we got it.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, we kind of, if I remember, Kurt and I talked about the only cop killing we got is the Don Martin case, so you know, trying to rack our brains on remembering what the she's transported over to district uh over to CIS from District One, and we talked to her.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_04: It was a uniform transporter over from District One.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um so we talked to her, and her name was Jewel Masterson, and she tells us a story um about how um she's married to a guy and he was a drunk.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: And when he was drunk, he would get belligerent, he would get angry, he would get abusive.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: And she tells us she tells us that uh she had gotten some some uh bad news from the doctor.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and doesn't really say what it is, but we kind of get the idea it's terminal, maybe terminal cancer or something like that, but terminal.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: And she had this on her chest, she wanted to get it off.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so she tells us that her now ex-husband had told her the story during a drunken stupor, that uh he and another guy had um tried to break into a rail car along Ready Road, and that they were confronted by a shadow and a and a figure in the dark, and they both pulled out guns and they fired shots, and then they took off running.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_04: They assume that they killed him or at least shot him.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: They don't know.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but um you know, he tells her this, and he tells her that if you ever tell anyone, I'll kill you, and goes on.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_04: They actually pulled on to the lot of the Nabisco factory.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_05: So I take it you know all this from the case notes.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_05: So you you have your notes, you go over those, you know this part of it.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_05: Where do you go from there?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we did on this particular case is because stuff was so jumbled after 44 years.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_04: We put out the word to talk to retired cops who might have known something about the case.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what uh what happened once that went out.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_04: We started getting phone calls and we kind of pieced stuff together from that.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: And then also from um talking to, you know, cops who who were still on the department, who knew cops who were on the department at the time.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_04: From that, also looking at uh crime scene photos that we had found uh in the case files.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_04: So we kind of put all that stuff together.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: Jeff, we need to take a break.
• 18:33
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  SPEAKER_01: The Doc and Carolyn Podcast! Welcome to this Kingdom Minute with your host, Kimberly Blakes, on the Doc and Carolyn Podcast.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: I made a post right after I saw that Dolly Parton passed away saying pray for her family.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I said.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: I did not erect a statue.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say anything else because to be honest, I don't know much about her.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I do know some of her music because that's just what it is.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: She was a big star.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now, that's all I said.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Pray for the family.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: What is the big deal with that dude?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: I am still waking up to calmness, disparaging this woman's legacy.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: What do you get out of saying something negative about a person that can no longer defend themselves?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now, there were people that have died that I did not agree with politically, I did not agree with as far as religion was concerned.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And when they passed away, do you know what I said?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: A sign of wisdom is to be able to hold it in.
• 20:36
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• 20:42
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• 20:48
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• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: The revelation to John Chapter 9.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: And the fifth angel blew his trumpet and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: And in those days people will seek death and will not find it.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: They will long to die, but death will flee from them.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: In appearance, the locusts were like horses prepared for battle.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: On their heads were what looked like crowns of gold, their faces were like human faces, their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: They have tails and stings like scorpions, and their power to hurt people for five months is in their tails.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: His name in Hebrew is Abaden, and in Greek he is called Apullion.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: The first woe has passed.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Behold, two woes are still to come.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the four angels who had been prepared for the hour, the day, the month, and the year were released to kill a third of mankind.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: The number of mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: I heard their number.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: They wore breastplates of the color of fire and of sapphire and of sulphur, and the heads of the horses were like lions' heads, and fire and smoke and sulphur came out of their mouths.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents with heads, and by means of them they wound.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, nor give up worshipping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.