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Silence Saves No One: Inside the Dog Meat Trade with Hayley · Under The Fur

• speaker-0: Welcome back to Under the Fur. And today we are going to do part two with Hayley, the founder of the rescue center, Harbin Slaughterhouse Survivors. And it's, it is going to be a difficult episode, but one that I thought was really important to air and to go through. There's going to be talk about the meat trade and what Hayley has seen and experienced. And there will also be mention of sexual abuse involving animals. It's going to be really difficult and Hayley's really brave and I'm really grateful that she's here to share this. But please, if this is going to be too much for you, do turn off. But we wanted to bring awareness of what is going on and part of what Hayley and her team's mission is. Slightly more muted. tones, mean, rescue is difficult enough as it is. And, I think you're super brave for coming and talking about this. And I know a lot of things you have actually been threatened about what you speak about and warned and things and a super brave of you to come and share your stories. And it's going to be difficult obviously to talk about and to get out. but we do want to know what's happening. I want people to know exactly what you've been going through for the last 10 and a half years and that you continue to go through and that you won't walk away from. I don't even know where to start on this. I guess one thing that the listeners will know about is the Yulin Dogmeat Festival and I know your team, you and your team go down and protest year after year after year. speaker-1: Yes, once or twice we've been, yeah. speaker-0: Can you tell us about it? speaker-1: The first Yuling dog meat truck. We actually didn't physically go to Yuling, we went to a one of the biggest trucks that were stopped, I think it was one thousand three hundred dogs that were stopped in Guangzhou. I was heading to Yuling and The it came out afterwards. It was actually a setup. It was set up, yeah. What? it was set up by the mafia, the Chinese mafia. And it was all a big scam. it was to raise donations. and we knew, we knew at the time what was happening, but we were too scared to speak out. So the truck was stopped, the dogs were put into a field. Yeah. And I went down and I met some other rescuers there that they're still my friends today. and while the mafia sat in a room playing poker and drinking beer and raising millions, they ended up in prison. I didn't know that. Okay. it was one thousand three hundred dogs and then we had to we were moved to another location. And speaker-0: So how were they getting money? They were getting donations for these dogs. Yeah, that they had set. speaker-1: They they had set up. They had set up. They had set up. And one day when I'm old and grey, I'll write a book about what really happened at that rescue and what went down. Yeah. but that was the one that changed me. my mumma even said it recently, she said, You were never the same after that and I wasn't. The second location we moved to with all the dogs, it's literally just a field of 1,300 dogs. By that point it's probably 800 because some of them a lot of them had died. And it was at night time. There's only half of us there, mostly w women, girls. And the villagers came in, yeah, and they started killing the dogs. What? And we had to throw them over the walls and we had to find trucks, random trucks to put the dogs in, get as many as we could out. speaker-0: So they what why why speaker-1: Were they killing The villagers were saying it was bad for their feng shui of the village. And they said that the dogs would bring diseases and pollute the water and stuff like that. And the mafia had been arrested at this point. They were in prison. Okay. They were in the police station. so we had like no protection, even though they were the bad guys. They one of the guys was really, really nice. He did let me take one dog to the clinic to put him to sleep because he was suffering. And that night we threw dogs over walls. We didn't know what was happening on the other side of the wall. and I remember Mm. Yeah, it's okay. the dog screaming. Yeah. and that happened all night. And I think we got three trucks up to Harbin. Like Guangzhou to Harbin is like top of my head, it's like a two, three hour car day, car drive. It's not like we could just drop them off. Yeah. And there were talks that some dogs got into a truck and the truck driver didn't know where to go and He just drove around until the dogs passed away in the in the in the truck. It was awful. It was absolutely awful. And that that rescue changed me as a person. I I don't think I was ever the same after that. And I remember when we got back to Harbin because we had to wait for the truck of dogs to arrive. Yeah. my friend came over and I had I had work. We we had work to go to with class. And she was like, Get into that shower now and get dressed. We're going to work. And then we have to meet the dogs in the clinic. And the dogs, if you believe it or not, but one of the dogs we had, he tried to kill himself. hope, you might have met him, he's at the safe house in my mum's house. Yeah. He would constantly run into a wall with his head. And another rescue group that was operating at the time, their dog succeeded. He ran constantly into a glass door in the clinic until he died. They were completely suicidal. And I do believe dogs can be suicidal. And Yeah, so that was the first Yuling dog meat truck that I experienced. And then not this Yuling, the Yuling before I went down. Now it's a bit different. I don't know if I was stronger, I don't know if I was more I don't know, cut off from it, but probably. this is gonna sound awful. But the dogs were dead. So Yuling now, the law is you can't have live dogs at Euling. Dog meat festival, they have to be dead already. Okay. So and speaker-0: Previously. speaker-1: they were they were live. They'd be in cages and you just they pick it up and kill it there on the board and chop it up and stuff. And it's it's like a four it's an art form. People, the older generation would go to watch it. It's like an art form. you know how you see chefs in restaurants with the knives? Yeah. That's what it is. it's like a show. so we went down to Euling. the biggest shock for me was cat meat. I had never seen cat meat before and that shocked me. But I think over the years, Summer was very upset. You know, Summer. Yeah. Everyone knows Summer. Summer was upset, but I didn't see dogs hanging anymore. I d I saw meat. I just saw a carcass. And I had no my biggest I was focusing on the dog meat traders because at that Yuling we had we don't know if they were mafia, we don't know if they were government. Yeah. but they were harassing us, they were stalking us, sleeping outside my hotel room. I had to move hotel room. They deleted my reservation. Yeah. So we were staying in a shitty little hotel. Yeah. And because our safety got so bad, we moved to the Hilton. I was like, we're gonna be safe there, you know what I mean? We weren't living it up or anything, but I thought we'd be safe. Yeah. They came in after me and they deleted my reservation with the Hilton Hotel. So when I rang the Hilton, yeah, and I was like, I'm at your hotel in Euling, they're like, no, no. speaker-0: How could they do that? How could they have access to your reservation and delete it? With the whole tell people in on it, scared of them? speaker-1: Yeah. If they don't if they were government, yeah, and or if they were mafia or power, yeah. Yeah. They can go in and kinda do what they want. So I focus more on them, you know, showing them that I wasn't scared, I wasn't gonna run away. I'm I see what's happening. Yeah. speaker-0: But were you not scared? This is terrifying. speaker-1: I w do you know what I wasn't scared? I wasn't scared. I wanted them to do something. They were just following me around, stalking us. It was me and Cassus, amazing Australian girl, and she she got me through that whole experience with her life stories. She's just an amazing person. we weren't scared at the time. I think it took us a while to process it. You know, sometimes we drop each other a message like, holy shit, what did we do? Yeah. But I wanted something to happen. That's where I'm at now. Yeah. But going back to Euling before I get into that, Euling was one of the biggest disappointments disappointments was it was all young people leading. speaker-0: Right. This is not something you blame on older generations. They don't know better. speaker-1: No, it was twenty-three year olds going out with their friends for a barbecue. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. rich, poor, middle class, it was a young people. speaker-0: In general, that much meat is sickening. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: of the species, that much meat hanging around. speaker-1: And where it comes from is just where where any of it comes from, but it's just it's not regulated. There's no laws on it, there's nothing. so last year, my last Yulane, my plan was to go back with an army of people in protest. Yeah. And I was all geared up for it and then it came to and I couldn't You couldn't go. Couldn't do it. For some reason I just I couldn't do it. Now I'm hoping next year I'll be stable enough to do it. Yeah. but I just couldn't. Yeah. I just couldn't. And I remember just before I left for Euling, the second one, I got a message from a family member and she was like, you were never the same. Yeah. When you came back from your first Euling experience. Yeah. remember now you have kids. Yeah. You know, you they can't see you go through this again. Like please come back in one piece. I called the Irish Embassy when I was there, I asked for help, they can't do anything. No. No. So I was pushing, I was antagonizing them. And if you watch the videos back, I'd be posting them. I was like taking the piss out of them. I was like, Come on, I'm going to buy something from the shop, come with me. Yeah. I think I said to one of the guys, I was like, I'm going to buy tampons. You wanna come with me? And he was just like speaker-0: wow. speaker-1: So you are speaker-0: You are, well, either brave or insane, maybe a little of both. And I've seen some of the videos that I didn't see this when I was there, because you had me locked up in the clinic. speaker-1: Yes. speaker-0: But I've seen your videos that you post and you are fearless. You are in their faces. You are calling them all the names under the sun. It's like, honestly, I looked at you and I'm like, you have no concern for your own safety in that moment. speaker-1: No. No. And it's Were you all speaker-0: always like that or was this developed? speaker-1: It's definitely developed. It's definitely developed. I've always been like fearless like in you know little rap sheet when I was younger, but I've always been like fearless of you know stuff situations like that. I think I'm at a point now with it I'm like someone needs to get hurt. Right. And if if that's gotta be me, it's gotta be me. and you know, got hit by a truck, me and Chalet, we didn't hit it, like he tapped us. I was hoping, but I b I hope. That's where I'm at. I'm I'm like, run me down. So why do Because speaker-0: that need to happen? What happens if you get hurt? speaker-1: at the moment the dog meat dealers are doing nothing illegal. They have no dead dog on the truck. They have they have no dead dog on the truck and they have no meat on them. The only way to get a dog meat dealer is if they have the physical meat on them. They have a truckload of dogs. They could be anything. They could be breeders, they could be just a guy with all these pets, you know what I mean? So one speaker-0: understand is that it's illegal for to have the dog meat but it's not illegal to eat dog meat? speaker-1: So you can you can eat your own pet, that's fine. Okay. Or you can go to a par party and eat a dog, that's fine. But to sell dog meat, you need to have like a permit. So what I've just learned is there's two legal slaughterhouses in China. One is in Henan and one is in Jiling. Okay. Jiling slaughters about two thousand dogs a week. These two slaughterhouses, what? 2,000 dogs speaker-0: thousand dollars. speaker-1: a week. They slaughtered, and that's about three, four hours from Harbin. Wow. So they have what they've done is they've gone and registered themselves as Korean ethnic minorities. Okay. So in China there's different minorities. Yeah. The Muslim minorities, the Russian minority, I think I don't maybe not Russian minority, I'm not sure, but I know the Muslim and the Korean, right? And because they Eat dog in Korean culture, because eating dog is not Chinese culture. It's not Chinese culture. A lot of people don't realize this. It's nothing. Thousands of years ago, the emperors of China adored dogs. Yeah. It wasn't until Chairman Mao came along, okay, and he said, you know, you can't adore any pets or religion or anything. You just adore me. Right. And in his little book, he says, a good dog is a cook dog. So There's no eating dog is not Chinese culture. And I know some people like to throw this around. white savour complex, it's their culture. It's not their culture. Yeah. you know, I have spoken to women who are like 98 years old who've had their feet bounded, you know. Yeah. And they would say to me, even in the famine when we had nothing, we wouldn't eat a dog. It's not their culture. Yeah. so these two so dog me became illegal in May of 2020. Yeah. means they came off the agricultural list as edible animals. Okay. So every animal in China that's slaughtered needs a c a certificate to say they've done quarantine, they're vaccinated, they were raised in a clean environment. Yeah. But slaughterhouses these farms don't exist in China. Because you you can't get registration for them. Understood. So yeah, these two slaughterhouses have gone and registered. The dog meat restaurants now, they are illegal, but what some of them are doing now, we've ha We've been able to close a few, but the ones, the smart ones, are registering as Korean ethnic minorities. speaker-0: And that gives them the ability speaker-1: That speaker-0: to sell dog meat. speaker-1: the ability to sell dogs. And they're not Korean ethnic minorities. They'll probably find Korean Chinese and pay them to use their their little passport or their hookah we call it. Yeah. to register. So a dog meat truck is very hard to pin because there's no dead dogs on it. There's no meat. Okay. speaker-0: And so this is why I've seen you go into some dog meat trading. speaker-1: Market. speaker-0: And when you turn up with government officials, why can't they do anything? There's no laws being broken there. speaker-1: Yeah. So that's what we've been doing now the last what it's been six, seven weeks. Every Tuesday. Summer, Sarah. I went down the first couple of times and then Summer banned me because my law is z Summer Summer can go into a dog meet market and she can walk away. Okay. She would rather walk away than give them the spit from her mouth. You know, she would give them nothing. Yeah. I can't. Okay. I go in. And I'm like, there's a hundred dogs. Okay, we're not leaving till these hundred dogs are with us. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So she said to me, she goes, I can't keep fighting for change if you just keep going in and taking all the dogs. Giving them an hour. Giving them, buying them because the government's not doing anything. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So she was like, Hey, you need to stay back for a little bit. So what's happening is is these dog meat, this dog meat market is one of the biggest in h in northern China. It's every Tuesday and it's 50 minutes from the safe house, right? Yep. So they're going in with trucks of live dogs and they're trading, they trade them, they buy and sell them. But there's no proof of dog meat. And there's no proof these people are selling the dogs to restaurants or they're attacking speaker-0: point they're just selling dogs. speaker-1: they're just selling dogs. So we've every government we've taken down their police and they've all said like what can we do? Like our hands are tied. Last Tuesday we had the big boss come down and he said, Right, this is what's happening going forward. Every dog that is traded has to be fully vaccinated and have vaccine records. Yep. And if you don't, if you can't produce at each dog, you'll be fined $5,000. So it's something. but we're not gonna stop, we're gonna keep on going until we get it closed down and then the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and the next one. And a part of it is becoming, and I see it with summer, it's becoming a cat and mouse game with her. And it's giving her passion because she did lose her passion there for a little bit after Yuling. She didn't want to fight anymore. But she stands there and they're like screaming and shouting her. She's like, I don't want some more, you wanna get killed. but she's like me. She's like, if that's what it that's what it takes for change, then you know I'm gonna have to play the game, you know. speaker-0: is around the line. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. But they're They're doing really shitty stuff to her now, they're antagonizing her. Yeah. I haven't discussed this online or posted it, but two three Tuesdays ago, they picked up a collie, Merle Collie, live one, and slammed slammed him against the truck in front of Summer. And I s I said to Summer, like when the video was sent, because Sarah had it on video because she was videoing proof or whatever. I said, Did you get the dog? And someone's like, I froze, Haley. I have I I c I couldn't move. So there's that line now that we're getting into. Are we rescuers or are we reporters? You know, and they always say like, you know, like the penguins, you know. speaker-0: And they just have mean, farming and everything is a whole different thing. But when I see farmers with their animals, they actually love their animals and they care for them. They send them for slaughter. But like when you see them, they look after them. that, do they have any compassion? speaker-1: Nothing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And then there's a group of four young volunteers. They're amazing. They're they go now every Tuesday. Yeah. but they're exposed they they send us videos and I'm like they're exposing themselves to stuff they'll never recover. Yeah. These videos I have on my phone are just horrific. Absolutely horrific. But the traders are not doing anything illegal because there's no animal rights laws. Right. So you can beat your dog. You can't pick your dog up and slam it against the truck. Police can do nothing. And the police will openly say that to us. I can do nothing. Yeah. Unless there's dog meat here or drugs or someone gets hurt, there's nothing they can do. So it's like we're trying to write a whole law in a communist country. Yeah. You know, in a country where you can't protest, in a country where you can't, you know, ask for change. Yeah. So Next Tuesday, th this Tuesday coming in next Tuesday. I'm interested now see how many show up. Will they move to another location? Yes. Yeah. Out of ten trucks, eight will probably move to another location. Two might give up. Yeah. You know what I mean? And we just gotta go to the next location. And it's just a continuous, never ending fight. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: with no end in sight. speaker-1: With no end in sights. Yeah. No end in sights. speaker-0: You also, you told me about struggling. the dog that you found outside your apartment. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, about not right outside my apartment, about ten minutes, ten minutes from my home. someone had just hung him. Yes. Hung him and then my friend called me, Carrie, the time. She's like, Where are you? I was like, I'm just standing here. This dog hung up. I'm just waiting for someone to come and help. Yeah. And she was like, Do you've said that so blase? And I was like, my god, I did. But yeah, someone had hung a dog up on a tree and it just they don't I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. It's just it's all the time. speaker-0: It's just insane that's not even just killing a dog that's killing and displaying. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: What the hell is... speaker-1: What's inside this person's apartment? That's all I could think of. I wasn't thinking about that dog. Yeah. I was thinking about what's going on in this person's apartment. What else is there? What else is there? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. and there always is, every time we see a dog, there's always a bigger picture behind behind it. So I don't focus on the individual dog anymore. I can't. I can't cry over every single dog. I can't. Yeah. Because I would be a puddle of mess holding a bottle of gin you know in a corner. I have to focus on what's like happening behind the dog. I watch videos. I've stopped now. I I am getting better, but people send me videos and the most horrific one was the greyhounds. And I'll never forget that video. I can tell you the color of the greyhound, I can tell you the markings of the greyhound, I can tell you everything about this greyhound. And he was being she was being sexually abused by a guy. And I read the comments under the video and it was all like, yeah, greyhounds have nice bodies and slim with the dog. Slim with the dog, Better the feeling and yeah. so this is speaker-0: Again, struggling. So this is a video posted where. speaker-1: It was posted on WeChat. It was posted on WeChat and then circled around. People speaker-0: and people can comment. speaker-1: can comment until it gets removed. Until it gets removed. speaker-0: So it wasn't even just the person doing this, it was a whole load of people. speaker-1: that there's a huge also do it. There's a huge community of it. Huge. speaker-0: that I know that we're struggling with animal rights laws there, but surely that's legal. speaker-1: I d I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know if if you do it to your own dog, is it illegal? I don't know. I'd have to look into it after our summer. but we've had a lot of dogs that have been sexually abused. there was one dog I went into a slaughterhouse. I was pregnant with Lauren. Was I pregnant? I think I was pregnant with Lauren. So what, twenty twenty-four? Went into a slaughterhouse and there was a little white dog wearing a pink tutu. She was being used by the men in there. we've got her and she's at the safe house, but I will never, ever, ever say who she is. Ever. and I think in the past when we used to have dogs that were sexually abused, we would post about it, and I don't anymore. I don't know. Protecting the victim. I I don't know what that is, but I just don't know. speaker-0: a little dirty. speaker-1: It does, it does. And I just don't want that to follow her. Yeah. You know. To follow her wherever she goes in life or anything like that. So I don't post about that anymore. How speaker-0: they afterwards? like generally like abused dogs are terrified and speaker-1: No, they're they're not because these men are not gonna sexually abuse a terrified dog, are they? Or dog that could bite. Of course. Yeah. speaker-0: be brave enough. speaker-1: They won't be brave enough. They're cowards. They're gonna go for the easy dog. Yeah. They're gonna go for the dog that's all happy and loving and stuff like that. It's never the scared dogs. Yeah. The scared dogs are the smart ones. Yeah. They protect themselves. And then you have little okay, you know, it's So they're not you know. speaker-0: And it's almost like those dogs that are just so desperate for love. speaker-1: Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. And they they forgive. And it that that pisses me. It does piss me off. It really it really does piss me off. some of some of the dogs really rattled me. I'm like, you shouldn't be this forgiving. Yeah. You should bite humans. Yeah. You know what I mean? You should speaker-0: Why the hell do you still love us? Yeah. We've done this to you. speaker-1: You should absolutely be just wanting to tear our throats out. And a lot of our dogs, one thousand five hundred dogs, we've about three hundred lifers. Yeah. Three hundred lifers are dogs that will live with us forever. Yeah. Now they're lifers because they will eat your face and my face, but they love their aunties. Yes. And their uncles. Yes. They love them. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And they adore the ground they walk on. I walk into the yard and they're like, you're the one that got me off the truck. I'm gonna eat your face. Yeah. You know? And th the dogs are just so forgiving. Yeah. And it pisses me off. Yeah. I don't want them to be forgiving. Humans don't deserve Yeah. You know? speaker-0: The aunties and the uncles deserve them. They're amazing people. So I remember, you know, the one I broke me and Sarah cherries. speaker-1: Cherry, she's doing amazing speaker-0: Love her so much. While I was there, you guys somehow got her and she was, she's a beagle. And she was being tested on, which in itself is absolutely fucking vile. Put that on your social media. It's in every country. It's in UK. It's everywhere. And you guys got her and she came in and I remember we were like, cherry, she has cherry eye. speaker-1: She sucked you on the surger surgery table, I remember that. speaker-0: So basically, and then we noticed that she was walking really funny and I was like, guys, can you just x-ray her hips for me? She had horrendous hips and she was so, so terrified, like petrified. But I said, I can take her out to pain though. Like I can't deal with her fear right now, but we can take her out to pain and we're going to operate. And we put her on the operating table and we just... we're going to put her IV line in and you could tell, you could look at her eyes and you could see she knows she's thinking I'm going to be tested on again. speaker-1: She's speaker-0: something bad's going to happen to me. She didn't snarl. She didn't bite. She didn't lift her lip. She hid her head under my arm and she cuddled in and she was like, I can't look, but do it. It's okay. She's like, it's okay. Don't look. And yeah. broke me. Absolutely broke me that one and know Sarah left the room. speaker-1: Yeah, Sarah was hyperventilating. speaker-0: Yeah, I was like, bloody operate now and I'm in bits and I actually have a whole video of me bawling my eyes out because I was recording for our, the Inside the Vet Station show that, you know, like showing vet stuff and whatever. And I was like, I want to capture this because I want to share it. But my God was like bawling my eyes out. my God, I love speaker-1: She's thriving now. my god And her legs are perfect. Perfect speaker-0: Thank God. But yeah, I, if I could have put it in my pocket and brought it back, that she would have been the one. Like, don't need to recover from surgery. come right now with me. Yeah. But I just like, this is what you're saying. Like she should have been so angry. She should have been like, don't touch me. Get off me. You've burnt my eyes. You've put stuff on my skin. Like I've lived a life of pain, but she didn't. She just said, okay, I just want to look, just get it done. speaker-1: All of them all of them are like that and it's just it can be frustrating. Yeah. It can be frustrating 'cause I want them to, fucking attack humans. Yeah. speaker-0: you might be angry enough for them. speaker-1: A baby. speaker-0: You and Sam are about to attack humans. speaker-1: I got a rain summer in a little bit. my gosh. That girl. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, like I said, it's a difficult question. what's going to bring around change? speaker-1: people always asked, like, is China changing? And I've been sitting on this question a lot recently. If you've ever been in like a toxic relationship or a friendship or a work environment or any toxic situation, and you know when something good happens, you kinda hold on to that. Yeah. You hold on to it because you need to hold on to it to survive this toxic situation that's going on. You know what mean? If that could be anything. And I wonder. I know I'm in a toxic relationship with China. I know it's highly toxic. And sometimes I wonder when the good things happen, do I hold on to it? Because I need to hold on to it to stay. I'm not going anywhere. I'm I'll never ever walk away, even though I want to walk away every single day. So when people ask me, is it changing? I can't answer question at the moment because I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if I'm grasping on to the flowers and the chocolates and the movie nights. Yeah. and forgetting about all the other abuse that's going on during the day. Yeah. so I don't know if it's changing. How will it change? I always believe in silence saves no one. I've tried it. I've tried to be professional. I've tried to be to talk. I've tried to all of that. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. silence saves no one. And screaming and shouting. And pushing it to a level where puts myself or our team, if they want to be involved in that in danger, is where we're at now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm okay with that. My family knows that. There are things in place. if something does happen to me, everyone in my family knows what they have to do. And for my girls and everything like that. it's not being dramatic. It's at to a point where if they're not gonna listen, then we're gonna take it into our own hands. You know what I mean? Yeah. because I don't want to do this forever. Yeah. You know what I mean? I know there are probably some rescuers out there that will sit here and say they love doing what they do. I hate it. I hate it. I miss The person I was before rescue. I had a great little life. I was shallow. I was skin deep. I have brand names. I had the most amazing little life for myself. I know I can never go back there because I'm ten years older, but I hate doing this. I I don't enjoy it. there's not one day I wake up and go, God, I'm so lucky. or I'm an angel, I hate it. and I I want it to end. It has to end. And at the end of the day, I have two little my kids are half Chinese. Yeah. I want them to grow up being proud of where they're from. Yeah. You know what I mean? When people throw at them, Chinese dogged me. I want them to be say, Yeah, and it doesn't happen anymore. Yeah. People are fighting for it every day to end. my girls be proud of where they came from. Because there's an amazing side of China. Yeah. Do you know? There is an amazing side to that country. It is one, I grew up I grew up There my twenties, I ha and I'm not an expat, I have put myself in situations, no normal expat and nothing's ever happened to me. Yeah. You know what I mean? it is an amazing country and there's so much potential to be so much better. Yeah. and for my girls and for me, I I need this to end. Now the safe house. I don't think Safe House will ever a end. E even if today if I stopped, right? And I said, Okay, guys, no more rescuing. We have dogs that will be n there for another fifteen years. You know, safe house is going nowhere. Yeah. SHS is going nowhere. Yeah. But I want change. Yeah. I don't want to do this anymore. You know? And I think people just need to be loud. Yeah. Have to be loud. Yeah. Stop with the petitions. The petitions don't work. I get sent petitions every day on social media. Sign this p petition. Can you share this petition? I'm like I'm like, okay, I'll share. They don't work. Ch no one in China sitting down reading about Mary Jo in the mountains in Wicklow not agreeing to dog me. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. No one in China cares what Mary Jo thinks. Yeah. it's about being loud and it's about people in power being loud. Yeah. at the end of the day, I'm just to China, to these dogbeat dealers, I'm just a bored white housewife, you know, that likes dogs. There's people out there with real power that can speak up, you know, and they can say, China, stop. Yeah. And they will be listened to. Yeah. But I think everyone's afraid to piss anyone off today. Yeah. Everyone's afraid to be called racist and please remember it's not their culture. Culture speaker-0: not the speaker-1: there. It's not their culture. It's not their tradition. It's not their religion. It's nothing. It's just them being greedy. Yeah. A handful of Chinese people being greedy. Because there's so many Chinese people put their lives on the line every day out there and people forget that. Yeah. The Chinese are fighting every day to end it. But they need help. Yeah. They need help. Yeah, we survived. We did. speaker-0: Fairly. Yeah. But thanks for sharing and your girls will certainly be proud of you. speaker-1: My f four she was three at the time or four. Her teacher said to her, What does your mommy do for work? She said, She's an air hostess. Because I was always flying dogs. Yeah. I was I'm always flying dogs. Yeah. So she was like, She's an air she's an air hostess. And the teacher asked me, I was like, I'm not an air hostess. speaker-0: I'm not doing this. That's not what I do. speaker-1: Sure. Yeah because I'm always on a plane. Yeah. So speaker-0: Yeah, but you could do it, but you could recite the. speaker-1: yeah, you said yeah. speaker-0: And OK, that was a lot. That was powerful. I hope everyone stayed with us through it and that everyone can get loud, loud, get loud. And that's the change. And I know you hate begging, but in the immediate term, can I ask everyone to donate to you? donate to the charity. and any charities just they don't want to beg just please donate and help and speaker-1: I think a lot of people don't last in a lot of people a lot of people think that, I can only donate a pound or two pounds. If all our followers of a on Instagram alone over two hundred thousand donated one pounds, yeah, we'd be out of debt. Yeah. We'd be we'd be laughing until Christmas. Yeah. You know, until the new year. I wouldn't have to beg at all. Yeah. You know what I mean? So never think that your one or two pound donation is nothing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Our charity is built on people donating one or two pound a month. Yeah. And look how many dogs survive because of these people. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And donate that one pound, that two pound to a charity. Just make sure the whole pound is going to the charity. Yes. But yeah, it really does make a difference. It really does make a difference. speaker-0: Okay, thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. I am going to take you for a gin. speaker-1: Thank you.