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A Repeatable System for Spirit Guide Communication with Cindy "Seer" Anderson · Mediumship Sparks-The Next Chapter

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Mediumship Sparks, a place for people who want
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  Speaker 1: to create the spiritual life they actually want to live in. Together,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to explore the many ways we're invited into
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  Speaker 1: greater awareness, deeper healing, and self-trust. The insights, ideas, experiences
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  Speaker 1: shared here are offered to spark curiosity and invite a
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  Speaker 1: deeper exploration of what's unfolding within and around you. May
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  Speaker 1: these conversations help you discover what feels deeply, quietly true
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  Speaker 1: for you. I'm Noelle Dean, intuitive medium and licensed marriage
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  Speaker 1: and family therapist. Quick note before we begin, the podcast
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  Speaker 1: is for educational purposes only and provides general information. It's
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  Speaker 1: not medical or psychological advice and not a substitute for
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  Speaker 1: care from a licensed health professional. Now let's dive in.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Noelle, how's it going?
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  Speaker 3: Good. How are you? Pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I like your shelf back there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thanks. You've got some neat geodes, huh? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It just was a boring wall. I had it set
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  Speaker 1: up before I ever really used it for this so much,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm a bit of a crystal collector.
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  Speaker 2: Once you start, you can't stop, right?
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  Speaker 1: You really can't. They just get more beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: They're in every corner.
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  Speaker 3: I have all these random little wood bowls and boxes
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  Speaker 3: and baskets, and they've all got stones all over the place.
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  Speaker 3: Very nice.
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  Speaker 1: I love your plants. I know that's just a background,
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  Speaker 1: but it looks really nice. Do you like Florida?
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  Speaker 3: It's my place on the planet, which I didn't even
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  Speaker 3: know was a thing until I found it.
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  Speaker 2: Like, energetically, it is. I mean, you'll get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It is my place. Yeah, I get off a plane
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  Speaker 2: here and I.
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  Speaker 3: Can breathe easier and my shoulders drop.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard there's a bunch of ley lines here. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if that's the real thing, but it's my spot.
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  Speaker 3: There's some stuff that I don't love, but that's everywhere, right?
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  Speaker 1: That is everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: My story is, I don't know. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: super uncommon. The starting point of my story is basically midlife.
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  Speaker 3: checked all the boxes, did all the things parents said
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  Speaker 3: to do, go to school, get a good job, find
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  Speaker 3: a partner. And then it turns out there was no
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  Speaker 3: happiness prize. You check the boxes and then I'm not unhappy.
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't be complaining, right? Because most people think my
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  Speaker 3: life is pretty idyllic. So that led me to ask
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  Speaker 3: the one question, do I have a guide? And then
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  Speaker 3: I blew my life up, changed everything in my world
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  Speaker 3: at the behest of my guides.
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  Speaker 2: And that was about 12 years ago. Fast forward to now.
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  Speaker 3: Where I've been exploring, but I've started, I call myself
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  Speaker 3: a mad spiritual scientist.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been, what can we repeat?
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  Speaker 3: Here's the theory. Let's try some stuff out, observe, review, adjust.
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  Speaker 3: So my concept was like, we make it so exclusive,
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  Speaker 3: such an exclusive.
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  Speaker 2: Club, right?
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  Speaker 3: You have to have a special skills and I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to prove that's not true. So I've got a little
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  Speaker 3: system that I've been working on and have great results.
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  Speaker 3: And It's a heck of a lot of fun and
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  Speaker 3: it's become my passion project.
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  Speaker 2: It's become my calling. That's really what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you about the mystique of only certain people can.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also a believer, genuinely, that anybody could. I use
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  Speaker 1: the analogy often about playing the piano. If you've got
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  Speaker 1: fingers or toes, you can play the piano. Whether you
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  Speaker 1: actually want to, whether you find joy in it, whether
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  Speaker 1: it speaks to your heart, but can you?
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  Speaker 3: You said you didn't know that you had medium capabilities.
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  Speaker 3: I have this whole theory, but I think that's society
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  Speaker 3: beating the stuff out of us that's weird, right? So
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  Speaker 3: we tell these stories to ourselves and I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that imaginary friends as children are guides.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And what happens when the kid says, my friend Tracy
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  Speaker 3: over there and mom and everybody goes, what? And then
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  Speaker 3: pretty soon the kid learns, yeah, we don't get favor
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  Speaker 3: when we do that. And everyone thinks, so they shut
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  Speaker 3: it off. And then we put all these blocks up.
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  Speaker 3: We have this cultural thing and I'd really love to
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  Speaker 3: see us normalize Wouldn't it be interesting if people said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that you have those moments where you just
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  Speaker 3: know something and you're like, I didn't study anything about it.
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  Speaker 3: No one's ever talked to me about it. I haven't
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  Speaker 3: read a book about it.
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  Speaker 2: How should I know that?
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  Speaker 3: But I know, I just know it. And I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what's weird. is that people pretend that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: We just make up an excuse, right? We tell a story. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that was, I must've heard this somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: You can't articulate it, right?
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  Speaker 3: But it'd be great if we stopped. I always say
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  Speaker 3: weird is my favorite compliment. That's my highest compliment. But
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  Speaker 3: what if the weird are the people that are pretending
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  Speaker 3: that there isn't something outside of self, or we don't
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  Speaker 3: know things that we shouldn't know, or we don't sometimes say,
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  Speaker 3: you know what? I'm not getting on that plane today
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  Speaker 3: because I don't know. And then something bad happens. So
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  Speaker 3: that's my worldview in a nutshell.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. Sorry, I started laughing because you reminded
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  Speaker 1: me the last time I went for a walk with
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  Speaker 1: a friend of mine. I picked up on something as
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  Speaker 1: we're walking and I look at her and I meant
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  Speaker 1: it from the bottom of my heart. I want to
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  Speaker 1: say something, but it's weird. And she just looks at
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  Speaker 1: me like, are you freaking kidding? I've already delivered messages
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  Speaker 1: from her parents and God.
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  Speaker 3: Only knows what else I've said to her.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just so funny because I really earnestly
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  Speaker 1: meant it, but then we both had a good laugh,
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  Speaker 1: but it was just, but it's weird. And she's like, please, Noelle.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it is, right?
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  Speaker 1: We've been down that road.
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  Speaker 2: I'll always embrace the weird, but I think it would
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  Speaker 2: be nice.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that I find in talking to people,
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  Speaker 3: especially with working with clients, helping them have their own experience,
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  Speaker 3: get in contact with their guide. They all have this
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  Speaker 3: idea that, It's strange, but they've had experiences their whole life.
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  Speaker 2: And we don't talk about.
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  Speaker 3: It because when you have something that you think is shameful,
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  Speaker 3: you keep it a secret. And then suddenly I worked
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  Speaker 3: with one of my deceased mother's close friends recently. And
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  Speaker 3: she's like, I've had this my whole life. And everyone said,
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  Speaker 3: don't do that. It's weird. And yet she's got precognitive
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  Speaker 3: abilities that she dismisses as nothing. I told her, I said,
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  Speaker 3: here's what I'd like you to do for the next
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  Speaker 3: 24 hours. Just notice if you feel anything or have
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  Speaker 3: a knowing that you can't explain.
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  Speaker 2: The next day I said, did anything come up? And
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  Speaker 2: she said, no.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, okay. And then she said, I did
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  Speaker 3: have this thing happen with my friend. Long story short,
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  Speaker 3: she predicted a turnaround on a mortgage where her friend
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  Speaker 3: had been declined and then suddenly got.
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  Speaker 2: A call back.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, you're going to get the mortgage. And
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  Speaker 3: an hour later she got the call, but she said
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  Speaker 3: nothing happened. And I'm like, you literally.
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  Speaker 2: Predicted the future.
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  Speaker 1: How is that?
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  Speaker 3: Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big deal. And she's like, oh. I guess
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  Speaker 2: it is a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's where we just don't talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: We're all secretly experiencing things that don't make.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of sense or we can't explain logically. And
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  Speaker 2: then we don't tell each other.
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  Speaker 3: This is a woman I've known pretty much my whole life.
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  Speaker 3: And we've never had a conversation like this. And apparently
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  Speaker 3: my mom had some of these things and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know until she passed away and she didn't know. And
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  Speaker 3: so we're all having these experiences, but we don't talk
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  Speaker 3: about them. That's weird.
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  Speaker 1: I'd also like to add, I think for someone like
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  Speaker 1: this woman that you're talking about is such a great
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  Speaker 1: example that I think for her, this is ordinary for her.
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  Speaker 1: It's an everyday thing. I have a cousin like this.
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  Speaker 1: He's around 80 and he calls it his ESP, but
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  Speaker 1: he's had stuff like this his entire life. And he
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  Speaker 1: never really shared about it. He's had big moments where
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  Speaker 1: part of his house caught on fire and he knew
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  Speaker 1: to go home. It has had profound impacts when he listens,
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  Speaker 1: but he gets stuff constantly and it's normal for him.
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  Speaker 1: And he doesn't tell everybody. Some people he tells are like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: come on, but he knows to pay attention to it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the thing about being more
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  Speaker 1: connected is it does become more regular and everyday thing.
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  Speaker 1: So what seems extraordinary gets to be ordinary. So for
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  Speaker 1: this woman, she's like, oh yeah, I just always know
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  Speaker 1: when it's going to rain because it's my knee. I
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  Speaker 1: always know what's going to happen to my friends because
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  Speaker 1: I'm told an hour ahead of time. Normal for her.
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  Speaker 2: I had a question for you.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like from what you were doing previously and
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  Speaker 3: what you're doing now that your kind of goal with
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  Speaker 3: your clients is to help them reconnect with themselves rather
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  Speaker 3: than to be dependent on you. Is that an accurate definition?
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  Speaker 1: That is my theme.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Without exaggeration. Like I said, I've been revamping my website.
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  Speaker 1: And so this is the thing. Not that I had
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  Speaker 1: anything that implied that I wanted people to depend on me,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been nice to underscore it even more. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want people to depend on me. My purpose, regardless
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  Speaker 1: of what I do, is to help people believe in
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  Speaker 1: themselves by sharing my love and my compassion with them.
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  Speaker 1: I loved working with teenagers because I want to help
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  Speaker 1: people feel better about themselves in their lives. I could
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  Speaker 1: do that all day. And in the spiritual world of
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  Speaker 1: spiritual development, whether it's intuition or mediumship or whatever, just
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  Speaker 1: finding a greater sense of peace, I feel the same way.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't taught a class since early last year, but
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  Speaker 1: I was sitting in the memory of the classes that
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  Speaker 1: I've taught. I'm facilitating, mainly I'm facilitating people opening up
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  Speaker 1: to themselves and the visual that came to me was
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  Speaker 1: like suddenly seeing somebody open themselves and it's like they're
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  Speaker 1: a sunflower. And my job is to be like, God,
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  Speaker 1: look at you. I see all the seeds. I see
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  Speaker 1: the color golden yellow in your petals. Look at that
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  Speaker 1: strong stem. That's beautiful. And those leaves, everybody look, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, look at the sunflower. And whoever she is,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, Oh my God, I'm a sunflower. I always
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  Speaker 1: knew I was a sunflower. And then we cheer them on.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next person is a rose. And now
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  Speaker 1: we focus on the rose and the beauty of the rose.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people start taking my class and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they stop because they're like, oh my God, I got
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  Speaker 1: tuned in and now I'm focused on this thing. Or
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  Speaker 1: they take a few, whatever they do with me. And
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  Speaker 1: then they move on to do something else because they
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  Speaker 1: have a better sense of themselves and confidence and trust
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  Speaker 1: in themselves. That's what I really care about. I take
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  Speaker 1: a lot of classes with somebody who's freaking awesome. And
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  Speaker 1: I probably will for the next 10 years or so.
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  Speaker 1: And he won't be able to shake me off of him,
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  Speaker 1: but he's empowering. He doesn't create dependence, but he just
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  Speaker 1: keeps offering the thing I want to learn next.
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  Speaker 3: So I can't stop. But you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Intuitive, right?
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  Speaker 1: He's amazing. His name is Tony Stockwell. He's a very
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  Speaker 1: famous British medium and he's the teacher. His style works
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  Speaker 1: for me. And this is a very long drawn out
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  Speaker 1: answer to your very simple question, but yeah, you're teaching people.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what your system is, but you teach
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  Speaker 1: people a system. And I did look on your website
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  Speaker 1: enough to see that you're like, hey, here's the payment
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  Speaker 1: for the work that I put into this system. And
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  Speaker 1: then you're off on your own for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: your life.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I asked the question, because it resonates
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  Speaker 3: with me. I love the flower metaphor. That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: The blooming.
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  Speaker 3: And you could have been describing how I perceived myself also,
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  Speaker 3: where I want people to see the amazing abilities that
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  Speaker 3: they have. And when I say people, I generally mean women,
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  Speaker 3: that they've been... Pretending aren't real or someone told them aren't.
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  Speaker 3: Because the world is hard. We need more encouragement. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in lifting women up. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: exactly the same. I'm not trying to slam the spiritual industry,
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  Speaker 3: but if I had one complaint, it's that 99% of
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  Speaker 3: it is come be dependent on me, the guru, as
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  Speaker 3: opposed to learn yourself. I'd like to teach you to fish,
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  Speaker 3: not fish for you.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that basic metaphor of Independence. That's the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: It was like, I don't want you to be dependent
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  Speaker 3: on me. I'm not the guide.
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  Speaker 2: I call myself the Sherpa.
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  Speaker 1: I use that too sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: I love Sherpa.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. And the Sherpa knows where the crevasse is, right?
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  Speaker 3: And the best route up the mountain and knows when
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  Speaker 3: the weather looks like it's bad, but it's not, or
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  Speaker 3: when it looks like it's bad and it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be bad.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: But it's that person's journey, not ours. And we're not
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  Speaker 1: here to tell them there's a rock, see, it's a rock.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, there's some big rocks over there. And then
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  Speaker 1: you respect their journey, their experience of things. So when
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  Speaker 1: I first read your thing about having a system, I
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  Speaker 1: had a reaction. Everybody has their own individual way of connecting,
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  Speaker 1: receiving information. The signs and signals that we get are
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  Speaker 1: really very different. And I love hearing about that when
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  Speaker 1: people start unfolding to themselves and becoming aware of those things.
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  Speaker 1: But then I had this moment of what am I saying?
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  Speaker 1: If somebody told me 10 years ago, there's an actual system, Noel,
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  Speaker 1: where you can connect with your guides. I'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: holy crap, are you kidding? I haven't reached that point
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  Speaker 1: where I feel any kind of confidence or safety in
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  Speaker 1: doing that on my own. Please tell me the system.
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  Speaker 1: So you're teaching a different way than I am, but
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  Speaker 1: they're all different paths and everybody's going to relate to
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  Speaker 1: something differently. I love that you're doing that and that
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  Speaker 1: you're not looking to create dependence at all also, which is.
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  Speaker 2: It's not typical in this industry.
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  Speaker 3: I know the secret. I know something you don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Believe harder.
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  Speaker 2: Just try harder. Be more quiet. Have more faith. I
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  Speaker 2: like to make things practical. I'm a spiritual gal.
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  Speaker 3: But I've got a core logical scientific brain. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: what if we just... created a way to get there
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  Speaker 3: for anyone. I don't have thousands of examples yet, but
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  Speaker 3: we're killing it.
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  Speaker 2: People are getting there.
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  Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is the ones that seem like
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  Speaker 3: they're going to be the hardest, the skeptics, they're the
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  Speaker 3: most fun. They're primarily because they're a blank slate. So
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  Speaker 3: they don't have a bunch of preconceived ideas about we
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  Speaker 3: do this and we do that, and this is what
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  Speaker 3: signs mean, and this is what spirituality means, and the
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  Speaker 3: tarot card said.
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  Speaker 2: That, and all the other things.
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  Speaker 3: But because I don't ask them to believe first and
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  Speaker 3: then get an experience. I ask them to follow a process, observe,
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  Speaker 3: experience it themselves, and draw.
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  Speaker 2: Their own conclusion.
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  Speaker 3: Skeptics are my favorite.
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  Speaker 2: They're a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: In the beginning, I was a little nervous about skeptics,
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  Speaker 3: and now I'm like, ooh.
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  Speaker 2: Because they get the biggest reaction. The skeptics are great.
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  Speaker 3: I have this little process. I call it the contact lab.
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  Speaker 3: And we do small group settings. We sit down and
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  Speaker 3: we go through the process. Simple 30-minute calls, like five
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  Speaker 3: of them. And we step through. And by the end,
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  Speaker 3: everyone gets to ask their guide the exact question they
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  Speaker 3: want and get... Brace yourself. We're not waiting for a
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  Speaker 3: feather five days down the road. We ask and get
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  Speaker 3: an answer right now. And does the feather mean yes or.
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  Speaker 2: No or yes, but next week or, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: I've met so many people that have become masters of
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  Speaker 3: finding signs and symbols and synchronicities, and yet they're still
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  Speaker 3: confused and unsure.
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  Speaker 2: What if we just skip.
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  Speaker 3: The whole treasure hunt, scavenger hunt thing and ask our
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  Speaker 3: guides directly?
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  Speaker 2: So that's the goal.
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  Speaker 1: That does make sense. I know you have your system
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to ask you to tell us
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  Speaker 1: what your system is, but anything else that you'd like
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  Speaker 1: to share about the system, I would love to hear more,
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  Speaker 1: but give me one sec. Cause I had another question brewing.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the things that it sounds like you're
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  Speaker 1: saying is it provides a certainty, like an immediate certainty
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  Speaker 1: about things.
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  Speaker 3: We literally get yes and no answers. To start with,
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  Speaker 3: what's working your way towards being able to channel? It's
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  Speaker 3: baby stepping into the shallow end of the pool, get
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  Speaker 3: some basics, and then eventually open up to the fact
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  Speaker 3: that I believe, I try not to say this is
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  Speaker 3: the way it is because who could possibly know? But
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: the things that you do and say, I think 99%
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: of what we do and say is guided, but we
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: don't attribute it that way. Even as I'm talking to you,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I hear the conversation and sometimes I go, Where did
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: that come from? Oh, that sounded pretty good. Or what
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: were you thinking when you said that? And I know
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: it's because I'm channeling all the time. I believe that
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I'm clairaudient, but I don't hear an actual voice. It's
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: just there, if that makes sense. There's not a sound.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: The thoughts are just forming in real time. I don't
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: even have a label for that.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Can I jump in a little?
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it sounds like you're talking about claircognizance. So
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: try on that Claire audience is a hearing. So like
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you might wake up with a song every day. It
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: might be way in the back. So you have to
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: be like, wait, be quiet for a minute and hear
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: the song. But you actually do hear it in your head.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Some people experience like they hear from the outside. So
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: that would be more like physical mediumship versus like mental mediumship,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: which is what happens on the inside. But I think
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: getting some chills all up my legs. So look, you're
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: not a Claire's person because you have a system. I think,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: but just try on the idea that you might be
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: a lot more, not just attuned, but your senses might
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: be giving you information differently than you think it is.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I think claircognizance is the trickiest one because there is no,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I know what I heard or I know what I saw.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: It just pops in and it comes out. And I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: feel like when a lot of conversations, whenever I do
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: a podcast, whenever I'm in the reading space, I am
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: most definitely collaborating. What comes out of my mouth, if
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I'm tuned in the way I am right now, is
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the co-creation. But there's no negotiation in my head. I
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: feel into the information. And then what comes out is
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the product of that. You're describing the same kind of system.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: You might see it a bit differently, but I pay
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: attention to the clairs because I'm very picky. And also
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: because when I teach, I do want people to understand
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the different clairs. But then we do a mashup of
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: everything as we're living this. So you probably have a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: little bit of everything, maybe.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: The woman that I described earlier who didn't know about
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: what she was experiencing, maybe I have some.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Of that too. You just, it's the way it is.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. As a kid, I talked to myself a lot
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: or did I?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you didn't, but. And then you kind of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: knew the answer. Maybe you articulated it and then you
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: heard it and we can really develop. I was mentioning
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: about this medical intuition training that I was in. And
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I remember the teacher was very firm about, That you
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: should only see the information because that is the most neutral.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure she did that because she didn't want
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: us to absorb other people's physical issues because that's the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: danger of working with medical stuff. But I was like, no,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I hear stuff. Don't make me try to see.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, fine, fine.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I'm here.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: All right. Show me. Please show me, guides. Please show me.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And I really learned kind of a little bit the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: hard way. You can develop all of those other senses.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: So if you love Claire audience, you could be like, hey,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: ask more to hear things. For a long time, all
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I got were song lyrics, little chunks of songs. And
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: that sometimes would compile a message. But that was the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: only one I was aware of for a long time.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: And not that it matters because you're like the walking
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: radar that you are. You may care or not care
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: too much about how it's coming in, but it comes in.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: which is the important part. You feel plugged in and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: that's an awesome feeling.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: You'd said something about the internal versus external. Can you
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: describe body versus mind in terms of how you receive things?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Can you describe that? Because that's an area that I
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: don't know anything about. Sure.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: So I look at body and mind as internal and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: then physical stuff on the outside. Let me think of
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: an example. Give me an example, please. Let's do mind
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: versus body even. So information just coming in and you're
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: not even aware it's just coming out of your mouth
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: because it's coming into your brain. Claircognizance, like this naturally
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: downloading process, very smooth and flowy. There could be clairvoyance
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: where you actually see things. You could smell things. That's clairalience.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But physical is clairsentience. And there are times in certain readings,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it's shocking to me how much stuff I feel. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: might just feel a little pressure on my head. Sometimes
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I get it in my third eye. One reading, I
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: got the weirdest little sensation right here by my eye.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: And I was just like, I don't think I've ever
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: felt that area of my body. And when I say
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it in the reading, the woman that I'm meeting with,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: my client in that moment was like, I was just
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: feeling that. And I was like, okay. I had breast
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: cancer and I had surgery. So I have a big
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: part of my body that's very numb. Sometimes I get
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a sharp poke in an area. I feel nothing naturally.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: There are times when they're making it, they being whoever
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it is in spirit is making their presence very clear
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: using the different senses. I also don't have a strong
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: sense of smell, but once in a while I'll get,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I got my friend's mom's floral perfume. That was really
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: nice to smell. So it's kind of everything. I feel
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: like I just went on a tangent, but you were
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: asking physical versus mental. Yeah. And so imagine that physical
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: mediumship is like, you see a spirit in the room
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that other people can also see.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You've probably had that before. So that's physical mediumship. It's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: outside of your physical body, but mental supposedly there's so
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: many terms that you can use or not use depending,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: but is really meant to be what you experience within
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: your internal system.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: So I believe that my system is fully channeled and
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: there's elements of it that I'm doing because it makes
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: sense to me or because I've been given it. But
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: now that you're talking about these different elements of the
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Claire's and the internal, external body mind, I've woven a
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: lot of those things into the course. As I'm listening
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: to you talk, I'm like, oh yeah, we do a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: whole thing. I call it a fingerprint signature, which is
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: a body sensation when you're receiving a message. And if
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: you can tune into that, then you can differentiate between,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: did I make that up? Or that's a message from
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: my guide. And once you figure out what it is,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: it's the same all the time for you. So for me,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: it's almost like a humming feeling in my heart and
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: it's warm and it's just something. And then once you
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: tune into it now, you go, oh, oh yeah, I
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: do feel that. And you can instantly know.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: If you can.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Pinpoint that feeling, then you instantly know the difference between
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: your own thought versus something that you've received.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that if you got the little chunk
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of information that seemed to just float in and you're like, wait,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: was that something I remembered or making up? Or was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that an actual message? You tune into your body and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: for you, you would say, wait, is my heart humming?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, it is.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So that was a message like that?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yep. It's literally like a little waving flag saying
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: kind of like your thing on your eye if you
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: started having that consistently that might be one of the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: ways in which you said you've got poked in the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: areas that were numb and generally speaking once you figure
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: out what it is it's consistent but that's one of
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the things that I work with my students to try
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: to identify that feeling so that they can differentiate.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Gotcha so Can we dive into this a little bit more?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Cause I'm curious now.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: So is that a, yes, that was a message or
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: is that a, that's my guide Herman?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a message.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: If you take signs and symbols, synchronicities to me, that's
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: proof of presence, proof that you have some kind of connection.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: And I'm trying to translate that, not I'm trying to
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: translate that into the proof of actual understanding, which would
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: be the conversation.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You're going to save people a whole lot of time.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: with a system like that. I teach people to pick
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: up on the subtle and to try not to interpret
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: for themselves what it is, but just take it at
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: face value and then sit with it. My system, and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: this is the first thing that I usually teach people,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: is to get a yes and a no as a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: signal through their intuition. For me, this is my- Show
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: me a yes. So I lean forward and then please
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: show me a no and I lean back. So when
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I get something during a reading, I might ask, wait,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: am I getting this right? Which I ask all the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: time when I'm doing a reading. And then I'll start
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: leaning forward as a yes. Or I sometimes get a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: big yes and I lean forward very quickly and very much.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Muscle testing.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I've heard it called energy testing. And I was asking you,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: is this Herman or is this a yes? Because I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: would imagine with your system, it sounds like similar to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: how I teach. I also want people to have calling cards,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: even though I don't think it's as viable as I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: actually really think it would be. I'm still hopeful, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it hasn't really worked out that way, but I would
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: love it to be like, this song comes to your
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: head or you feel a sensation for a little while.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I have curly hair. And for a little while I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: would feel as if somebody was playing with your hair. Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And that was my aunt Sandy. So she had the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: calling card, but you could do that with your system too.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: You might not want to, because that's maybe a little
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: less practical than you're really trying to make it. But
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: just saying. That's cool too sometimes for identifiable people.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. That's very similar. We're doing is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: very similar.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: And if I'm being 100% honest, I don't think that
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the fingerprint signature is actually all that important to people
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: like you and I. But for someone that's learning, the
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: whole thing comes down to trust. And people love things
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: in the physical world, not in the mental world. So
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: we got to give them body experiences, things that they
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: can see and touch that are much harder to explain away.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: What it sounds like is you're actually providing a sense
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of certainty that I don't offer. Give me one moment, please.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: They're saying that you are removing uncertainty earlier on than
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: maybe my system ever could.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So you're saving in some ways, you could be saving somebody,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: this is how they're showing me, two, three to five
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: years of the uncertainty of the information that they're getting,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: especially when somebody doesn't have a lot of time to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: sit with, let me practice again.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: If we all could meditate like a monk on a
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: mountaintop for six months straight, 10 hours a day, then cool,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: no problem. But that doesn't, at least in this country,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: that doesn't really fit with the practical world.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I think some of the people
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that I've met have been sitting with this kind of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: thing sometimes for years. I think I know some stuff,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: but I'm not really sure what to do with that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Or my friend told me about this and now I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: want to pursue this. But it sounds like for you,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, this is very practical, very sustainable and
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: reusable all the time. A lot of people don't have
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the luxury of time. And maybe they just are starting
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: their spiritual awakening and they really want to get somewhere
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: with it. And you're like, dude, I've got a system.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And they're like, how the fricking Lou.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Because I don't want to spend five years pretending I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: can sit on top of a mountaintop and then glean
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: this information. You're making it very, not just practical, but
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: look in five 30 minute calls. That's something.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: It's accessible.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I've spent 12 years.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Creating this essentially. The day that I said, do I
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: have a guide? And I got an answer that was yes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I thought this is the greatest day ever. And then
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: my entire life was turned upside down. I literally blew
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: up a business, blew up a relationship, craziness as a
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: result of the guidance that I was getting. And then
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: it was like, because this is the path that you
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: need to be on. It didn't unfold all in the beginning.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like, we're going to have this carnival ride
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: of craziness. I got your life as you know it
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: is over. And I thought, woohoo, my ship has arrived, right?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Things are going to go from good to amazing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: And it was like, no, we have to level the
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: current home, theoretically, to build a new one.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And you don't know what the prize is at the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: other end.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: But for me, the prize is this is the work
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: that I'm here to do. Or I shouldn't say work
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: because I don't really consider it work. Maybe service is
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a better answer or You can make money or you can.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Make a difference. And I don't know.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like the world needs some help right now.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Understatement in some ways. And look, helping people be more
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: connected to themselves and those that love them and watch
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: over them in spirit. How much better does it get?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there'd be a lot less hate and violence in
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the world if people were a little more comfortable with themselves,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: focusing on themselves and what makes them happy.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And it's not all selfish, right?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: You're a great example of this. I'm sorry to hear
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: how your whole life had to blow up because I'm
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: sure that was extremely painful at times. You never know
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: what the prize is. And now you have a life
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and I can see it on your face where you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: get to live in the flow. And I don't think
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: anything feels better than that. And that's its own reward.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: It feels fulfilling to know that you're that connected, that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you're supporting people in this core way. I love that energy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And Other people I know that support people, that's the shit.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You get to live in that? Yeah, sign me up.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But you never know. When I was diagnosed with breast cancer,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: it was terrifying. I had no idea how my life
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: was going to go and if it was going to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: keep going or not. It was scary. But I can't
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: regret a moment of it, even though it has its
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: imprint on me in certain ways in my body. It
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: set me free in so many ways. And I hear
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you about the work part. But I guess I say
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: work too, but our life's work, not the chore that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I have to do. Grabbing the shower, that's fucking work.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: But our life's work, our passion, it's written all over
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: your face. It's nice to see that. Yeah, the joy
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that it brings you.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Something that gets you out of bed in the morning,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: other than.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Just the smell of the coffee.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: That's nice too, but yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Because, you know. you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I've been there.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I've been in that life's great working in the corporate world,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: got a corner office, making a good salary, stock options.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: But one day you wake up and it's all gone
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: and you think it's the worst thing that could possibly
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: happen to you. And you realize that was the thing
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: that needed to happen. to get to the next important thing.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: But you don't know it in the moment. There's no
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: spiritual bypassing the pain and grief, physical or emotional. We're
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: still also human beings. That you keep at it, that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you follow the breadcrumbs that you're being shown, that you
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: go with the guidance that you got, despite what feels
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like the consequences of following that, because you can't unknow
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: something when you feel it in your bones. You just,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you can't. If you do, you must have to probably
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: start drinking a whole lot. to not be reminded of
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it all the time.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting concept.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Because I'm a marketing person at my core, or at
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: least that's what my training was, I'm always trying to
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: figure out, okay, yeah, you can show people how to
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: get to their guide, but no one wakes up and says,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I want to get to my guide. Maybe some do,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: but mostly people wake up and go, I want better relationships,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: or I want more money, or I want better health,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: or I want.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: To make decisions I trust.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: So that's what I kind of circled around to is like,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: if you have the guidance, you can start to make
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: decisions you trust and then feel confident about that. And
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the interesting thing.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: About my journey is that because of what happened in
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the beginning, there was a lot of chaos.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I spent much of that time period going, I don't
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: trust my decisions. I can't tell you how many times
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I've said my intuition is terrible. Look at these things
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: that I've invited into my life and all of these
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: steps that I've taken that have, to the outside world,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: look like disastrous results. But like you said, you have
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: to follow the breadcrumbs. And the breadcrumbs, nobody lays out
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the map and says, if my guide had said on
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the first day, we're going to have 12 miserable years
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: and then stuff's going to start being really good, I
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: would have said, I don't think I'm in for that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Right? But that's the way it works.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Check, please.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to a different restaurant because this
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: isn't working for me.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: And then I've had people say, you had a rough
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: experience and you think it's a good idea to teach
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: other people this?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I think my path is a little different.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think everyone that wants to contact their guide
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: needs to have some epic, overly, I don't know, grandiose
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: idea of what they're doing on the planet.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I think people would just be happier.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: But learning to be confident in it and follow the
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: breadcrumbs and then teach other people to do that, right?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: This is the whole walking the talk thing. Yeah, it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: an interesting journey.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: It sounds like your journey has similarly been filled with
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: some challenges that if everything goes perfectly in your life
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: every single day, you're learning absolutely nothing.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You're growing in no way at all. I'll tell you
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: a quick story.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: My father, who is 88, and I moved him from
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Seattle to Florida to be near me.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: So we're spending time together.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: He doesn't remember this story, but when I was in
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: high school, I went on a ski bus every Saturday.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: It would drive you up the mountain. We ski all
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: day and come home. He would drop me off in
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the morning at 6 a.m. and pick me up at
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: 5 in the afternoon and say, how many times did
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: you fall today?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: And I'd say, I didn't fall at all. And he'd go, oh, okay.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: And then next Saturday, pick me up again, ask the question,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: how many times did you fall today?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't fall today.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I don't fall. Eight weeks in, last week of the
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: ski bus, picks me up, asks me the question, how
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: many times did you fall today?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: None, dad. I don't fall. He said, that's too bad.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: You didn't learn anything today.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: He doesn't remember this to this day, but I'm like,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: it's such a huge mind blowing.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So simple and yet so powerful.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: All of those challenges that life throws at us tend
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to lead to better things. Sometimes you got to level
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the house if you want to build the nicer house
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: or the dream house.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Life brings it in for you. We don't hire it, right?
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Getting more connected to yourself. really living out of what
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: actually feels true to you in a profound way that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you can't even explain. It's really worth it, but yeah,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it can turn your whole life upside down and nobody
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: would consciously necessarily want to sign up for that part
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of it. So it's probably better that we really don't
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: know what's ahead because we might be like, no, nevermind.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I can't do that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So here's the real question. How many times did you
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: actually fall? Now I have to know how much you fell.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I really didn't fall. Yeah, no, I was whatever. I
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: was a good athlete and I was pretty good scare.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: But after that, I pushed myself harder. That was the
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: outcome is if you want to get better, got to
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: get better, which I'm sensing you've got some of that
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: in you.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: It's evolution.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say about the
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: spirit guide thing is I completely recognize and acknowledge that
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: a vast majority of people on the planet would like
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: to have their guide to tell them, should I go
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: to Maui for vacation or should I hit Lisbon? They're
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: not interested in what's the meaning of life. What kind
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: of questions are you going to ask? Because a lot
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: of people really just want basic stuff. Should I get
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: a new job? Should I break up with this guy
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that keeps cheating on me? That's a perfectly valid reason.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be existential crisis every time you
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: ask your guide a question.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I gave myself a little mediumship retreat a couple of
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: years ago and I asked, it was amazing. I was
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in the middle of basically the woods. So connection was grand.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And I was like, let me just ask my guide
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: for the heck of it. So what would you suggest?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Do you have any suggestions for me about my life
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: or changes in my life? Thinking nothing. And I heard
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: very clearly nothing. If you stop eating animal products, you'll
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: live decades longer.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I love steak.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I love ice cream. What are you talking about? Don't
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: ask a question you don't want the answer to because
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: it may make you make changes you're not anticipating. And
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you might be that guest nobody wants to invite over
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: for dinner anymore.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Are you a pescatarian then?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Or an all meat?
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I'm a vegan. No, but you're in San Diego. How
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: could you survive without fish tacos?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. I cheat with
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: desserts here and there, but I have not had meat.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I gave myself two weeks. I said, do I have
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: to start in six months from now? And she just
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: kind of laughingly was like, hey, take your time. I'm like, nevermind.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: So I gave myself a week or two and then, yeah,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I switched over. I was a regular guilty carnivore before,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: but don't ask a question you don't want an answer
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to because it might be much bigger change than you're anticipating.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And I just, I feel like I want to go
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: back to you saying my intuition is terrible because I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: know you didn't really mean that, but you were just
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: saying it seems like things keep not working out the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: way I'm intending and to an outside person, it might
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: look like my intuition is terrible. And I'm sure part
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: of that was your own testing ground to learn how
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to actually trust in a much more profound way because
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it's not vacation here or there. It's huge life choices
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: that you go inside. to get the inner knowing. And
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: sometimes it seems completely unreasonable.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Because you can't see the whole path. You only see
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: this moment and this particular fork that you're at. And
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: one path often looks a lot better than the other.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: But that's because you can't see the whole map out
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: in front of you.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Or at least in my experience, I don't get that
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: whole thing, especially when it's an ugly path. We're not
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: putting this in a small print on the bottle. There's
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: no warning here. They said your life, as you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: it is over. Wow.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine getting a message like that.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: It never even occurred to me for a second, Noelle.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I literally was like, woohoo, my ship, it's come. I
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: had no clue. It's still hilarious. My ex and I
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: joke about that a lot, the ex that I broke
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: up with because my guy said to. We often say,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: that's like code word for, oh, shit.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Your life as you know it is over. And we
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: both just go, oh. But yeah, so. You're right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Don't ask the questions you're not ready for the answer to.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: It's a good role for attorneys and people in the
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: spiritual space as well.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Unless you're really willing to change everything and not like
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the bad stuff, everything. I really admire that you did
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that because how much faith would that take to, and
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to stay on that path, even though it got ugly
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and unexpected stuff happened or didn't happen.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: My last 12 years has been a lot like, it
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: feels like 10 lifetimes. of stuff where you just, you
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: can't foresee what's going to happen. But that's the journey
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: and that's the path that I needed to be on.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: There were so many times going back. I feel like
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: my intuition is broken is because there were so many
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: times where I was like, why are you still listening
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: when the external outcome has been so awful? Are you stupid?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: When someone lies to you 10 times, you don't say
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: to them, are you lying? Because they're always lying, right?
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: How do you know they're lying? Their lips are moving, right?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: You got to roll with it.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I never thought of myself as having a calling or
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: anything like that. I just thought I was a person
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: here doing the best I could, trying to enjoy life,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: trying to be a positive influence in the world.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: But here we are. Here we are.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Hey, if I pick up on something for you, is
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: it okay if I share it?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: A moment ago, I got when you mentioned it again,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: just a moment ago, the term that came to me
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: was that you were fast tracked. And then just now
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: they were saying, when you were saying how everything kind
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of got decimated in your life, they gave me this
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: sense that you blindly followed. And then there was like
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: this congratulations and, I don't want to get overly emotional,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: but I can feel the emotion of that. And I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: know you said your dad's in your dad's here, but
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I feel this fatherly energy from spirit of like, Oh,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I can just feel the intensity of the emotion of it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm getting some confirmation chills up my right leg.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I just want to grab you and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: squeeze you. So proud. Oh my God, my girl. The
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: congratulations is letting go of the fear and then turning
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: your life around. Like how much blind faith and courage
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: that must have taken. It feels like there's a finish
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: line and he was waiting at the finish line. Just
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that big squeeze of pride and loving you and cheering
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And just, oh, That's beautiful. Thank you. This will be
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: an interesting question to kick around.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I believe that our energies are.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Living past, present, future all at once.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: So that may well be my father, even though he's alive.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that it is. He's the greatest guy on
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: the planet. Yeah, definitely. That fits.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: You believe in soul connections and people that you drag
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: around with you. There's the family that you would choose
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: to have in your life if they weren't your blood.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And it's not all of them. It's not even most
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: of them, but there's a few.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You follow me there.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: How cool that you invited him to be your dad
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: this time.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that my last birthday card said something
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: like that. That you chose to be with us. Doesn't
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: have any idea what I'm doing. He just knows I
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: work hard. it means nothing to him so for him
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to say you chose us is a very interesting choice
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: of words because it's not that doesn't really even fit
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: his belief system in fact if i bet if i
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: told him that it was in that card he'd say
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: nah i didn't write that that doesn't make any sense
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: there's no logic in that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: So you were channeling is what you're saying dad yes that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: And he'd say channeling what what does that mean.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for people to find you and your system.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing a visual turn key. You put the key in,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you turn it, and the door opens.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: That's the goal.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I'll forever be testing it, but that's the concept. So
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I have a question for you about the industry. So
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: what kind of conversations do you wish happened more often
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: in the spiritual community?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: What do you think that we're not talking about that
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: we should be?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: It'd be a gross generalization to think I know what
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: people are talking about now at all. Just because I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: can be a bit spicy about having a judgment about
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: how other people teach or encourage people to do this
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: kind of work for themselves. So to mind my own
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: business and keep my mouth shut, I just stay away
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: from that stuff. I've had my own experiences with other
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: people that are psychics and that have been intensely not great.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and have created dependence. If I have a personal relationship
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: with somebody based on they feel like a right fit
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: for me, that's awesome. But I tend not to listen
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: to a lot of other people offering readings and they're
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: sharing clips of those readings online. I've grown to appreciate
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that more and more over time. I love that part.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: But normally, if I hear somebody say, hey, I have
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a system, the thing that separates you, and I saw
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: this on your website and why I felt safe talking
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to you, that's is because you don't create dependence. My
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: sense is there are other people who, and the next class,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and now the next, I've been involved with organizations that
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: put on personal development courses and there was always a
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: next course. And for somebody to always felt broken or
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: less than, or there's something wrong with me, I was
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: compelled to always do something like that because I was
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: not okay as I was. I needed fixing, damn it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And somebody had to have the fucking answer for me.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: And that's another way that I feel like I've been
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: healed by my being on this spiritual journey and being
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: connected with my grandparents and my guides and the things
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I've been able to do is I have a sense
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: of being a whole complete human being. I'm not a
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: fucked up mess or all the things I have thought
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: at times. I already forgot your questions.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: No, you answered it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I was asking about the spiritual journey. The spiritual community,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: and now I'm thinking your metaphor about the flower and
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: seeing the beauty in the people and their skill sets
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and their strengths and looking at it from that perspective
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: is the polar opposite of what you just described, playing
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: on insecurities to continue to make a buck. I love
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: money as much as the next person. I always tell people,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: even if you hate money, make more of it. You
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: can do good things in the world with it. Give
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: it away if you must, but.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: There's a core.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: value that says, am I actually trying to help people
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: or am I just kind of doing something to make money?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And your flower thing, I really love that metaphor. I
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: might have to create a version of it for myself.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: No, use the flower.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Women are flowers, right? It's perfect.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: But that's the, I see you and you matter. And
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: it's encouraging that person to come into their best version
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: of themselves, which is anti all of the other things
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: that we just talked about. They're always selling one more thing.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: There's another coaching program and another. I actually have had
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: to ask myself as a marketer, are you giving away
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: too much? Because people are empowered and then they go
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: do their own thing. They come back and one of
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: my clients recently asked, does my guide have a name?
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I said, yeah.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: They said, what's their name?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I said, that's something you'll discover at some point down
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: the road. A few weeks later, she calls back and says,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I got my guide's name. And I was like, is
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: that a good thing or a bad thing? That's one
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: of the things I get you in the coaching program.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't do the full boat coaching program.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: That's okay. Because what I wanted was for her to
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: have that experience.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: That's genuinely empowering people. You could have told her, I'm
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: taking a trans-channeling class.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: What's trans-channeling?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Imagine mediumship, but you go deeper into kind of a
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: state and then instead of you being the transmitter of
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: what people say, they actually speak through you. And we're
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: meeting our team, a couple of guides on our team,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm having a debate with a woman that I'm
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: paired up with about the spelling of the name of
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: my guide. And there's a part of me as I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: journaled that night, like, what the fuck? This is the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: world I live in now. Two mediums are debating about
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: where these two letters, is it the S first or
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the A first? Anyway, but I had this moment of
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: realization that, And I actually said to her, I think
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you're asking me to choose yours over mine. That was
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the feeling that I had. I've had to learn to
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: feel empowered in this way. I feel confident about what
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I get. And I kept getting a yes in my way.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, thanks, but I'm supposed to follow mine.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing is you could have told her
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: what you got and then she would stop asking. I
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: love that you didn't tell her and you were like,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you'll figure it out. And she did. And you didn't
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: take away her curiosity. I love that you did that.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I want to remember that now that you've shown me that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: We don't want to shortchange their journey because how joyful
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: is it when she gets that name?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And that's a victory. It's a victory. You've got to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: experience that for yourself.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: It's not the same when you're playing cards with your
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: parents as a little kid and you realize they let
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: you win.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That sucks. For me, it did.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Don't let me win.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I don't care how old I am.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I played with Papa, my paternal grandfather, and that man
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: never let me win. Never.
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  Speaker 2: But it kept you coming back, didn't it?
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  Speaker 1: I would never have stopped playing with him, regardless of
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  Speaker 1: the outcome. And then I became a kid who loved
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  Speaker 1: to win and gloated about it, of course, because I
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  Speaker 1: never won when I played Papa. But it all shapes
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  Speaker 1: us to relate to things differently. In this area, I
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  Speaker 1: think letting people have their own journey. And I love
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  Speaker 1: that you do it the way that you do it.
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  Speaker 1: I really respect that, Cindy. I really mean that. To
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  Speaker 1: not try to take away somebody else's process. You're giving
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  Speaker 1: them a system, but then you're not shoving them out
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  Speaker 1: the door too. I know you offer additional support, which
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  Speaker 1: is great because people really want that. And I've taken
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  Speaker 1: class after class, not because I have a deficit anymore,
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  Speaker 1: but because I'm enjoying the process. And I'm so grateful
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  Speaker 1: it's available in a way that feels empowering. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like how it used to feel. Whereas I'm not
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  Speaker 1: good enough yet. So let me keep trying. And I
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  Speaker 1: need your help desperately. So I'll pay whatever. That was
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a driver for a long time. But it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: good to be that person either. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: extort people out of their own insecurity. No way.
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  Speaker 3: It's more if you have... again, the weird thing, and
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  Speaker 3: nobody talks about this stuff. So just having someone that's
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: walked the path. And again, the Sherpa thing, point out
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  Speaker 3: a crevasse here and there that you might not want
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  Speaker 3: to step into, or at least you might be aware
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  Speaker 3: that it's there. Check your equipment before you walk that direction.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe you want to step in it. Maybe there's
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  Speaker 1: some value for you in that. And that's great. I
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  Speaker 1: did my part by saying, hey, just watch your knees
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  Speaker 1: because you don't want to scrape them too hard. Is
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  Speaker 1: there anything else you want to share about your system
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: or how you Sherpa people and tell us about your website,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: more information about how people can get in touch with you.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of questions.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry. That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: Soulpiphany.com. S-O-U-L-P-I-P-H-A-N-Y. Like epiphany with the soul on there. Seer
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  Speaker 3: at Soulpiphany is the easiest way to get me. More
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  Speaker 3: about the process. It's a lab environment. Back to my
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  Speaker 3: mad spiritual scientist. I opened the door to my lab.
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  Speaker 2: I invite you in. Come on, we're going to play.
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  Speaker 3: Don't show up if you're thinking that I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: force feed you something.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a lecture.
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  Speaker 3: This is a hands-on activity. You're going to get your
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: hands dirty. We're going to pour some beakers. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to break some stuff. We're going to try some things.
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  Speaker 3: Something unexpected and fun is going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Come with an open mind.
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  Speaker 3: Be as skeptical as you want, but show up and
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  Speaker 3: be willing to spend the five days doing the process.
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  Speaker 3: And I promise you'll have a good time. Something unexpected
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  Speaker 3: will happen. So that's the process. And I try to
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  Speaker 3: make it as fun as possible.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in fun. So This is not
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  Speaker 2: all that serious.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to try it. We're just going to test
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  Speaker 3: it and see how it goes. Be a small child
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  Speaker 3: and be curious. Explore that inner little girl and let her.
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  Speaker 2: Out and play. We dance, we sing, whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to do. We're going to do it all.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not doing any dancing or singing. But if you
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  Speaker 3: want to, that's awesome. It's very positive. And a community
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: is what always ends up happening. Women end up connecting
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  Speaker 3: with each other. And there's something empowering about seeing other
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  Speaker 3: people go through the same experience that you are. And
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  Speaker 3: it gives you a different perspective when you get to
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  Speaker 3: see other people doing it with you. Otherwise, when you're
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  Speaker 3: doing it by yourself, you tend to be a little
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: bit less confident that what you're experiencing makes sense. But
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  Speaker 3: when you're seeing other people experiencing it, that really boosts
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  Speaker 3: the confidence. I call it the contact lab.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Put on your lab coat and let's get some chemicals
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: all over you. And we put on the goggles and
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  Speaker 3: gloves because I don't know that something's.
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  Speaker 2: Going to get broken.
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  Speaker 3: So in the best possible way, I don't mean the
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  Speaker 3: full way. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And even when you started describing it, like being a
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: little kid, I just am reminded of that sense of
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: wonder that we have as children. We're not exactly sure
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  Speaker 1: how things are going to turn out, but that we're
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: just excited to be in the process. And the breaking
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: beakers is a great metaphor for shit's going to change.
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  Speaker 1: You're not even going to be expecting it, but there
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  Speaker 1: it is. I love that. And you're also talking about
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: that sense of freedom. You hear somebody else go through
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: something big and you're like, oh crap, it's my turn now.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: But then you get to dance and sing or whatever
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  Speaker 1: that part is for you, but you don't hold back
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  Speaker 1: like the caterpillar that has to work so hard to
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: break out of their cocoon. But then they're flying around
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  Speaker 1: and they're gorgeous. And you're like, I want that too.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, you're next. How freaking cool is that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You said something interesting about the child thing is
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  Speaker 3: I always joke that when children are learning to walk,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: How many times do they fall down before they stop
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: getting back up? As adults, what do we mostly say?
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: We give ourselves a three strikes and you're out rule. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I tried to do that once and I sucked at it.
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  Speaker 3: You don't show up to the major leagues and hit
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  Speaker 3: a home run on your first at bat. But as adults,
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  Speaker 3: we're like, oh, yeah, I'm not good at that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I tried that once. I'm not good at it.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, how many people do you see crawling
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  Speaker 3: around the world?
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  Speaker 2: Very few.
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  Speaker 3: So there was a point when we didn't have that worldview.
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  Speaker 3: We just went, I need to get over there faster.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to learn how to walk.
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  Speaker 2: And you do it, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting the boundaries that we put on ourselves as adults.
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  Speaker 3: We're so willing to say, I'm not good enough. I
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: don't have a skill for that.
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  Speaker 2: It can apply to anything. The child thing is good.
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  Speaker 3: Why can't we have fun even when we're doing serious things?
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  Speaker 3: That's the concept is explore the little girl inside and
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  Speaker 3: we'll play.
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  Speaker 2: We're just going to go play in the lab.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: How big are your classes?
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  Speaker 3: I typically keep them as small as I can. Probably,
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  Speaker 3: I would maybe do as many as 12, but I
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: tend to keep them under 10. 5, 6, 7, 8
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  Speaker 3: is a pretty good number. If I get too many,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: then people will start to tune out when other people
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  Speaker 3: are sharing their experiences. And I do them, at least
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: up until now, I've been doing them virtually, Zoom calls.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I keep them intentionally short, the sessions, so that we
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: just take little bite-sized chunks.
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  Speaker 2: And work our way through the process.
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  Speaker 1: You're not trying to corporatize something that's spiritual. You're just
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: trying to make it direct and reproducible. This has been wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: I genuinely enjoyed connecting with you. So thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. This was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: I love what you're doing. You're doing it very differently
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  Speaker 1: than how I do it. It's very cool and I
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  Speaker 1: respect it.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, Noelle. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you too.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this was, you made my day.
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  Speaker 1: Aw, you're sweet. Mine too.
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  Speaker 3: Bye-bye.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us today. If
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you'd like support as you continue your own exploring, you
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: can find information about my classes, readings, and other offerings
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: at connectingwithnoelle.com. If today's conversation made you think of someone,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I'd love it if you would share this with them.
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  Speaker 1: Take good care and I look forward to being with
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  Speaker 1: you again soon.