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  Speaker 2: Well, good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Friday to you. You have made it to the
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  Speaker 1: end of another week, and during a provincial election campaign
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  Speaker 1: week two of the BC election. Unfortunately, there's still like
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  Speaker 2: Just, just, Be happy. You have reached Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Broussard, Senior Public Affairs Strategist who's worked on a
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  Speaker 1: ton of different things most recently. Mark Carney's leadership campaign
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  Speaker 1: and the last general election is joining me bright and
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  Speaker 1: early this morning. Nicole, thanks for getting up and being
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  Speaker 1: on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: You know I love to bring a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: spice to these things and so this is hopefully a
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  Speaker 4: really good shot of caffeine for everybody who's listening so
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  Speaker 4: early this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I hope so too.
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  Speaker 1: The My dulcet tones don't put them back to sleep,
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  Speaker 1: but you're here to fix that problem. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: just briefly run through, really only the Greens kind of,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get more details on the NDP and the
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  Speaker 1: Conservatives as the day comes along, but the Greens have
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  Speaker 1: something this morning. And I find the Greens fascinating in
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  Speaker 1: the campaign because they're hitting on issues that no one
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  Speaker 1: else is hitting on. And again, this morning at 11 o'clock,
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  Speaker 1: they're announcing their plan on AI safety. artificial intelligence safety,
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  Speaker 1: and they have no problem telling people about these things
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  Speaker 1: before they happen. And I like the only ones talking
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  Speaker 1: about rent control and the community housing project and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: climate and the overdose and toxic drug policies that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they announced the previous day and all the, just like childcare,
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  Speaker 1: just fascinating to watch the greens go off and just
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  Speaker 1: pick on issues that people care about quite a bit. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but the other two parties aren't talking about yet, Nicole, I,
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  Speaker 1: I find it fascinating. And I know the Greens are
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  Speaker 1: going to be in, you know, hard pressed in this election,
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  Speaker 1: but the topics they're choosing fascinate me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely low risk for the BC Greens to
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  Speaker 4: be putting out really bold, exciting policy like this. But
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  Speaker 4: I think it is really something that the other parties
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  Speaker 4: need to be looking at too. We've talked about this
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  Speaker 4: a lot during the municipal elections as well. There's only
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  Speaker 4: so many times you can talk about all the things
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  Speaker 4: that you just said, affordability, inflation, housing, uh, healthcare, the
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  Speaker 4: economy all wrapped together, public safety. So the conversations all
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  Speaker 4: start to sound a bit the same. And so I
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  Speaker 4: love the Greens kind of going off book and doing
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  Speaker 4: a whole press conference about AI safety.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what their ideas are.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're probably not ones that a provincial government
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  Speaker 1: could implement when it comes to AI. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of restrictions on the small jurisdiction of a province, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll watch for that. And actually, I have an extra
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  Speaker 1: podcast this week. Jeff Ferrier and I tomorrow morning. So
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  Speaker 1: that is a Saturday morning, upright and early because, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for punishment. Six days a week on
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  Speaker 1: the campaign trail, but it's going to be fun. Tune
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  Speaker 1: into that one. We'll talk about the Greens AI strategy. Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't had you on the Daily Pod during the
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  Speaker 1: election here. I'm just wondering what your take is on
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  Speaker 1: the campaign so far. We are a week and a
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  Speaker 1: half in We've got tons of polls that have come out.
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  Speaker 1: We've got tons of announcements. We've got a glimpse at
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  Speaker 1: the leaders and their campaigns. What's your overall take on
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  Speaker 1: what's happening here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, personally, I'm still low-key angry that we are even
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  Speaker 4: in a provincial election right now that overlaps with a
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  Speaker 4: municipal that's cancelled a by-election. It still does not feel
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  Speaker 4: like we needed this at this point. And that's also
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  Speaker 4: represented in some of the numbers that we've seen lately.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's 50% of British Columbians are a little
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  Speaker 4: bit annoyed that we even have a provincial election right now.
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  Speaker 4: And I know the mayoral candidates and the city council
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  Speaker 4: candidates are also annoyed as we saw that kind of
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  Speaker 4: borne out at UBCM the last couple weeks where they
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  Speaker 4: actually passed a resolution or debated a resolution asking the
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  Speaker 4: provincial government to not call an election on top of
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  Speaker 4: their election. So I'm still grappling with the idea of
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  Speaker 4: us even having one of these. I think of all
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  Speaker 4: the reasons that David Eby and the NDP put forward
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  Speaker 4: to have this election, none of them quite hit, it
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  Speaker 4: sounds like, for everybody. And so I think they might
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  Speaker 4: have miscalculated a little bit. And I wish I would
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  Speaker 4: have been in that room with them to steer them
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  Speaker 4: in the other direction because we really didn't need to
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  Speaker 4: go to the polls based on some of the excuses
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  Speaker 4: that they gave.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think they might.
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  Speaker 2: Be given a bit of a.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the polls seem to say that they might be.
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  Speaker 4: And the electorate is maybe not as dumb as they anticipated.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think the better strategy would be if
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  Speaker 4: they were really worried about Trump or getting some big
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  Speaker 4: pieces of legislation passed and having that majority to do so,
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  Speaker 4: it would have been better strategically, from my view, to
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  Speaker 4: go into the fall session, which was only an embarrassing
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  Speaker 4: five weeks long, to go into the fall sitting session,
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  Speaker 4: try to table some really big pieces of legislation that
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  Speaker 4: would have made a.
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  Speaker 3: Difference for British Columbians.
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  Speaker 4: And then if they found difficulty in doing so, or
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  Speaker 4: the opposition actually voted against those things, it would have
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  Speaker 4: been a very neat way and clean way for the
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  Speaker 4: NDP to point to that as an example of why
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  Speaker 4: they actually needed to go to the polls. Like we're
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  Speaker 4: trying to do big things for British Columbians. The opposition
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  Speaker 4: is getting in our way. And that is why we
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  Speaker 4: need to go back to the polls to get a
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  Speaker 4: mandate from British Columbians to move faster on these things
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  Speaker 4: that are going to make a difference. But saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Trump or opposition is in disarray. So
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  Speaker 4: we need a strong opposition or they're mean to us.
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  Speaker 4: So we need to get rid of them. It just
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  Speaker 4: doesn't seem like it's hitting for anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll come back to it after the break to
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit at the latest poll, the Ipsos
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  Speaker 1: poll that has The issue of Trump, once again, ranked
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  Speaker 1: against the other issues, many of which you've just mentioned
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  Speaker 1: and where it kind of lands because it continues to
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  Speaker 1: be surprisingly low in voter priorities when it's what the
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  Speaker 1: NDP have built basically their entire campaign on so far.
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  Speaker 1: But let's just do a quick break and we will
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  Speaker 2: Back to the show.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's continue our discussion by bringing up the
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  Speaker 1: Ipsos poll. We've had a bunch in the election campaign
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  Speaker 1: so far. This one has the Conservatives at 42%, the
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  Speaker 1: NDP at 40%. So it's a lead for the Conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: but they're up seven points since the last poll in
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  Speaker 1: mid-September under Kerry Lynn Finlay. And the NDP are down
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  Speaker 1: five points, the Greens at 10, 1BC at 3, and
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  Speaker 1: Centre BC at 3. So momentum, I guess, for the
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  Speaker 1: Conservatives in this poll. And to bring up the Trump issue, Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: he is eighth on the list of top issues for
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  Speaker 1: voters here below cost of living, health care, housing, affordability, jobs,
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  Speaker 1: the economy, taxes, crime, social issues, and then Trump, which
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  Speaker 1: is what other polls have suggested too. And I kind
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  Speaker 1: of wonder if what that means for the NDP campaign
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  Speaker 1: now with at least three polls indicating he's way down
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  Speaker 1: voter priority.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be sweating a little bit over there.
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  Speaker 4: But I think what we're seeing from both of the
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  Speaker 4: campaigns is obviously they're looking at the same poles. We
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  Speaker 4: are the economy, affordability, inflation kind of hits number one
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  Speaker 4: across all those. And especially as you kind of condense
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  Speaker 4: all those kind of more inflationary pressures like housing in
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  Speaker 4: that bucket as well. That's definitely the top three. It's
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  Speaker 4: nice to see health care up there, too, because obviously
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  Speaker 4: with continued ERs closing across the province, that's definitely top
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  Speaker 4: of mind for folks still. But it does really signal
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  Speaker 4: a shift that I hope for both of the campaigns
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  Speaker 4: really focus on. which is like those pocket book issues.
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  Speaker 4: Like what matters to British Columbians today to make it
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  Speaker 4: easier for us? Because that's why we elect these people
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  Speaker 4: to make our lives better. And so I really hope
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  Speaker 4: that they come up with some really big, bold ideas
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  Speaker 4: that they can put on the table in front of
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  Speaker 4: British Columbians to signal that they get it. Nice that
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  Speaker 4: we've got a bunch of these federal announcements happening at
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  Speaker 4: the same time too, but they are kind of nice
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  Speaker 4: to haves at this point. They are not really driving
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  Speaker 4: the agenda here for the voter base. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we hope to see a little bit more of those
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  Speaker 4: affordability measures put forward.
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  Speaker 3: And, um, they probably should have been done by David
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  Speaker 3: and me.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're, you and I were laughing a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: like you kind of wait to an election to drop
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  Speaker 4: everything that you should have been doing the whole year,
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  Speaker 4: but here we are gas tax.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, speaking of that, gas tax.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I am nine years into covering the NDP
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  Speaker 1: government and the number of times they have been asked
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  Speaker 1: to cut the provincial motor fuel tax when gas prices
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  Speaker 1: have gone up, which is well within their control to
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  Speaker 1: help give a break to people at the pump.
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  Speaker 2: I've lost track.
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  Speaker 1: The most recent one I found was in March when
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  Speaker 1: Adrian Dix, the energy minister said, nope, we're not doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And here we are now in October with the government suddenly,
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  Speaker 1: the NDP suddenly saying, yes, in fact, we are going
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  Speaker 1: to cut 10 percentage points here off of the motor fuel,
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  Speaker 1: 10 cents a liter off of the motor fuel tax
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  Speaker 1: for gas and diesel. So what it basically means is
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  Speaker 1: like 20 bucks for a tank if you're filling up
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  Speaker 1: a van or whatever. The cost of this is around
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  Speaker 1: $ 280 million for just the next five months. So you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at a $ 600 million plus annual cost here during
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. trade, which I think is kind of interesting
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  Speaker 1: because when the Conservatives announced their plan to cut the
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  Speaker 1: 10% PST on Canadian alcohol two days ago, the NDP said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you can't pay for that. It's $ 280 million. Where are
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  Speaker 1: you going to get the money? You're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to go in and slash healthcare. And now the NDP
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  Speaker 1: have come up with a plan more than twice as expensive.
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  Speaker 1: And when David Eby's asked, he said, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not, we'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Think.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe people don't care to carry on from your point, Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: that they're looking for the affordability relief and they don't
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  Speaker 1: care about.
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  Speaker 2: How it's going to be paid for.
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  Speaker 1: But it's funny to watch the campaigns bicker over it and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, accuse each other of being unable to find
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  Speaker 1: the money for the things that they're promising to people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is funny to hear David Eby say like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we'll figure it out. Because if you look at their
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  Speaker 4: record over the last nine years, they have not quite
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  Speaker 4: figured it out.
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  Speaker 3: And we have a gigantic deficit now.
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  Speaker 4: So I think there is A little bit of Davey
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  Speaker 4: running against his own record on this as well. And
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  Speaker 4: when people are going to the polls, the question you
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  Speaker 4: always ask yourself is, kind of, is my life better
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  Speaker 4: today than it was nine years ago when the NDP
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  Speaker 4: took over? And if the answer to that question for anybody,
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  Speaker 4: no matter what your political stripe is or your leaning,
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  Speaker 4: if that answer to that question is no, then maybe
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  Speaker 4: you're going to give a shot to the other guys
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  Speaker 4: and take a risk on kind of an untested leader,
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  Speaker 4: certainly untested leader at that level with Lorne Dirksen.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just very.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really questioning their political calculations in the back room
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  Speaker 4: there at the NDP office.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: They have promised a full-costed platform.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess.
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  Speaker 1: The great irony being that whenever the Conservatives announce something,
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  Speaker 1: the NDP say, well, you're going to have to increase
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  Speaker 1: taxes or cut spending.
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  Speaker 2: And both of those are bad.
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  Speaker 1: But when the NDP announced something, They're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to do one or the other in their fiscal plan.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way around it. There's a $ 14 billion deficit.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't quite follow the criticism of it. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is in an election campaign.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing that they promised here, I'll just play
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  Speaker 1: the Premier and Lauren Dirksen talking.
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  Speaker 2: About it first, and then we'll go from there.
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  Speaker 6: And so we're going to stand up strong. We're going
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  Speaker 6: to tell the oil and gas companies, look, British Columbians
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  Speaker 6: need your products. They help drive our economy. They're necessary,
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  Speaker 6: but we will not allow the gouging to continue. And
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  Speaker 6: our expectation is, at this time, that all Canadians, including
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  Speaker 6: the oil and gas companies, support our country, support our people,
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  Speaker 6: don't take advantage during this time, and understand that our
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  Speaker 6: futures are all linked. Unfortunately, we're going to have to
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  Speaker 6: do that by law. We're going to have to set
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  Speaker 6: out the law that requires them to fully disclose all
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  Speaker 6: their costs and ensure that they are not gouging British Columbians.
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  Speaker 6: Anything other than that in terms of a tax cut
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  Speaker 6: would just be a gift to the oil and gas companies.
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  Speaker 6: So we're going to cut the tax and we're going
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  Speaker 6: to make sure that that tax cut actually reaches the
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  Speaker 6: pockets of British Columbians, a savings of $ 20 per fill
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  Speaker 6: up for the average vehicle.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but I think that British Columbians do not
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  Speaker 5: trust him. Just two years ago, there were promises made
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  Speaker 5: for $ 1, 000 of relief to families and to homes and
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  Speaker 5: to people in this province, and he failed to deliver that,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he needs to answer that.
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  Speaker 2: It is a reply the Conservatives were very quick with.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to the $ 1, 000 grocery rebate the NDP promised
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  Speaker 1: in the 2024 election campaign? Got elected and then said, actually,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. EB struggled to answer
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  Speaker 1: that question today. contorting himself into kind of a pretzel
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  Speaker 1: to say that couldn't afford it because they cut the
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  Speaker 1: carbon tax which was supposed to be neutral so they
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  Speaker 1: had to take the money from the other thing and
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  Speaker 1: anyways i do you think the grocery rebate comes back
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  Speaker 1: to haunt the ndp two years later in this snap
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  Speaker 1: election as kind of a we can't trust you to
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  Speaker 1: follow through on these things.
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  Speaker 4: Nicole yeah absolutely because like i said he's running against
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  Speaker 4: his own record and so they're going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to go back through every single promise that was ever
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  Speaker 4: made even into the last campaign and i think those
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  Speaker 4: Campaign documents are now off the website, though I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: they're saved on people's desktops everywhere, so.
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  Speaker 3: You can go back and look.
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  Speaker 4: But there will be a significant amount of that, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: EB's announcement wasn't a bad one. That's a really good
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  Speaker 4: retail policy. It's something that people can get their heads around.
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  Speaker 4: $ 20 at the pump every time you fill up a
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  Speaker 4: tank of gas.
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  Speaker 3: That sells. That's pretty good retail politics, in my view.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think he missed there, but yeah, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot to pin on him from the opposition's perspective. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess the question will be whether he actually
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  Speaker 1: does it. which is what the opposition are raising. One
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  Speaker 1: thing that is done or increasingly done, this will be
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  Speaker 1: our last topic here, the Pacific Link Pipeline, as it's
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  Speaker 1: now called. Prime Minister Mark Carney announcing this West Coast
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  Speaker 1: Pipeline in Alberta. It's going to go all the way
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  Speaker 1: to Roberts Bank, the Delta port here, and load it
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  Speaker 1: on to Supermax cargo tankers. See, I'm a very oil
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  Speaker 1: and natural resource experienced guy, super max cargo tankers, big,
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  Speaker 1: super big tankers. This used to be the biggest issue
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  Speaker 1: in BC politics, not that long ago. The idea of
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  Speaker 1: BC getting forced to take a pipeline and David Eby
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  Speaker 1: just saying, no, we don't want it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not real.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fantasy. It's never going to happen. Today, it
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  Speaker 1: was a more subdued kind of response. Let's just hear
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  Speaker 1: a little bit from him.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is a priority project for the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 6: and for Alberta, and they're doing the work that they
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: said they were going to do. For our part, we
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: entered into an agreement with the federal government, $ 20 billion
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: of investment, a generational investment in infrastructure for BC projects
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: for British Columbians. We've got an important role to play
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: in this pipeline process to protect the interests of British Columbians.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: But we also recognize that our projects, our priorities, need
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: the same level of attention from the federal government. That's
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: why we fought so hard for this deal.
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  Speaker 5: At a time of economic crisis, saying no to nation-building
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  Speaker 5: projects is not just bad policy, it's of course un-Canadian.
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  Speaker 5: We are one country and we must support our fellow
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Canadians in becoming more economically resilient. When the good people
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: of Alberta or Saskatchewan or any of our other fellow
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: Canadians say, need to get their products to new markets,
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: British Columbia should be helping in every way it can,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: not standing in the way.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: What do you make, Nicole, of those two responses to this,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: what used to be, you know, biggest issue in BC politics?
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to say the leader of the BC Conservatives, Lauren,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: just sounded very very steady, very measured, very thoughtful with
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: that response.
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  Speaker 3: I did really like it.
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  Speaker 4: I think David Eby will have and will continue to
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: have some troubles managing his caucus around pipelines because it
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: has been such a divisive issue for them for so long.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And taking the stance as.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: He did right at the beginning, they wouldn't allow this,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: and then there was route changes, and then the Prime
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Minister came out to BC and said, if you're not
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: going to work with us, basically get out of the
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: way and we'll partner with somebody else who will. We'll
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: put all of the investment dollars in these major projects
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: with with provinces who want to play ball with us.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of what's reflected in those,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: in those comments there. And while they're touting this BC
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: federal MOU, I think you said on stage actually like
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: months and months ago, BC needs to come to the
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: table and get its bag for this. They should be
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: asking for buckets of money out of the, that fall
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: from the sky from Ottawa to say yes to this.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: And that, that was something that I think that advice
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: was heated much too late in the discussion. And there
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: could have been more for British Columbia to, if they
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: had just sat down at the table to have this
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: discussion rather than kind of posturing for political reasons or
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: their own caucus management at the outset of this, I
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: think it could have been more of a collaborative discussion
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: that would have resulted in more jobs, more projects, and
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: some more investment in British Columbia. So I'm a little bit,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: it's a little bit like too cute by half at
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: this point.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: And now I think this version of David Eby, which
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: is like version five or six, he's kind of so
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: far into the natural resource file, promoting mining, natural gas fracking,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: pipeline expansions for natural gas, that how can he sort
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: of say, you know, he's against the jobs and economic
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: impact and Team Canada elements of this oil pipeline, expanding markets,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: getting around the U.S. when they're the very things he's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: kind of talking about. It's a lot harder for him
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to maneuver away from it as the current version that
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he's at than it would have been two or three
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: versions ago. So it was a very subdued response from
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: him today, I thought, but an interesting one.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I totally agree.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: And Canadians trust, I think, Mark Carney on these issues.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: They trust him on the major projects, on dealing with Trump.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: And so it is kind of interesting to see how
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: David Eby is trying to insert himself in that discussion
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: as well as being a big champion against Trump and
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: things like that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Like, we already have a guy in Ottawa doing that.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: We like that you're on board.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: But again, it's just it feels a little bit....
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feels like messaging at this point.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It is a good point because I have heard other
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: people raise the idea that the trust level is so
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: high for Mark Carney to deal with Donald Trump that
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: they don't look at David Eby.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: As really the crisis choice there.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: They're not looking at a, at the provincial premier as
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the one to fight Trump because they're happy with what
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Carney's doing, perhaps some people. Uh, and that that's why
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Trump is not registering as high in the polls here
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: is that they're fine with what Carney's doing, but.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: And like, we've seen David even kind of be on
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: the opposite side of those issues, like getting up on
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: stage and, um, complaining about like equalization payments and things
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Like it just, that is not a.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Very helpful frame if you're trying to be collaborative with
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Ottawa and, and build things in British Columbia for British
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Columbians by British Columbians. It just doesn't seem... To be
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: on the opposite side of Ottawa, obviously the Rockies cut
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: us off to begin with. You need to be extra collaborative.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: You need to be in Ottawa all the time. It
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: still drives me insane that we're one of the only
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: jurisdictions in Canada that doesn't have a permanent office in.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Ottawa to help build that relationship.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: It's fine to get on a plane and fly there
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: every couple of weeks, but even then, I don't think
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: that's enough.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Every other province, I think including Nunavut.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Has an office there to help with that relationship building
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and chat with not just the PMO, but with the
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: department and, and make sure things move smoothly.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: So I'm just, yeah, I'm a little bit annoyed about
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: this whole, whole discussion. Now he's tying himself to, to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Mark Carney.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It's a, it's fascinating.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: We'll see how, what Lauren Dirksen comes up with on
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: improving relations with Alamo too during this campaign.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Nicole, thank you so much for joining us this morning.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I didn't even swear this morning. So, Thanks to everybody listening.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: This was a lot of fun. And you started off
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the call in a great way, just setting the table
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: for everybody as we head into the weekend with some
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: very exciting announcements coming.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll check back in with you throughout the campaign
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: regularly and appreciate you getting up and appreciate everyone this
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: morning having a listen to the show so early in
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the morning. Remember, we got Political Capital Prime coming up
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: later today and a new Political Capital Daily on Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you then.