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"THE PROPHET" CHAD DAYBELL TRIPLE MURDER SUSPECT "FUELED BY SEX, MONEY, POWER" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight.
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Speaker 3: The so called prophet Chad daveil on trial for triple murders.
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Speaker 3: The triple murders off his wife Tammy and two children
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Speaker 3: off his second wife, cult.
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Speaker 2: Mom Laurie Valo in court.
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Speaker 3: We are hearing claims that Dave Bail was fueled by sex,
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Speaker 3: money and power, but Nancy's so called prophet set to
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Speaker 3: pin it all on his beauty queen wife, cult mom
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Speaker 3: Laurie Valo.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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Speaker 4: We're at to North nine.
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Speaker 5: Thanks Cora.
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Speaker 6: We just found my mom.
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Speaker 4: She's on the ground, frozen her.
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Speaker 3: She's differ and.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: Are you in Madison County or county Well, I'm.
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Speaker 5: Chair the husband. It's clearly dead. All right, okay, okay,
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Speaker 5: are you in Rexburg or because your address goes record
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Speaker 5: address that you're in Fremont County?
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Speaker 8: Okay, okay, all right, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: I didn't really mean to roll my eyes right there
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Speaker 3: at the end. I was just wondering why he saved
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Speaker 3: For the very end of the call, just before na
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Speaker 3: One hangs up.
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Speaker 2: You hear Dave bail.
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Speaker 3: The prophet go, oh, I mean I need to work
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Speaker 3: on that day Bell. And I love the way he
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Speaker 3: sat in court like, don't you don't don't While the
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Speaker 3: NYM one one is being called.
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Speaker 2: It hurt me to hear the.
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Speaker 3: Nine one one, to hear the husband say, yep, she's
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Speaker 3: on the ground, frozen steps, She's clearly dead.
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Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of nine woman calls.
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Speaker 3: But you know what, You're supposed to fake it till
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Speaker 3: you make it all right that no one one call
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Speaker 3: fell very short of making it.
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Speaker 1: A big question.
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Speaker 2: Is the so called prophet Chad day Bell going to.
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Speaker 3: Rat out his wife, who he once called a goddess
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Speaker 3: when they were dating.
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Speaker 2: Is he going to rat her out and pin all
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Speaker 2: the blame on her?
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Speaker 3: Why does it matter? Because remember, even though Lorie Valow
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Speaker 3: has been convicted, she was found guilty in the murders
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Speaker 3: of her little boy JJ and her little girl Tylely
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Speaker 3: and implicated and the murderer of her brand new husband.
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Speaker 2: Is it number five, Jackie number five? You know that
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Speaker 2: by heart? Now number five? Husband number five?
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Speaker 3: The so called prophet Chad day Bell's what Tammy day Bell,
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Speaker 3: who healthy as a horse, a young woman just ran
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Speaker 3: a marathon, died in her sleep. Before I go to
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Speaker 3: Nate Eaton, a news director of the East Idaho News.
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Speaker 3: You can find him on Facebook, Nate Eaton Reporter, I
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Speaker 3: have got to go to a special guest, Tom Evans,
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Speaker 3: a juror on the Lorii day Bell trial and part
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Speaker 3: of a book Money, Power and Sex the Lori.
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Speaker 2: Day Bell Trial.
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Speaker 3: So, Tom Evans, you not only lived through it during
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Speaker 3: the trial of Lorii.
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Speaker 2: Da Bell, you also got in on the book.
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Speaker 3: You relived it, you retraumatized yourself. So going through living
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Speaker 3: through called myon Lorie Valo's trial. Can I ask you
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Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on Chad day Bell?
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Speaker 9: Oh man, I have a lot of thoughts about Chad
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Speaker 9: day Bell. I think the most telling thing that I've
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Speaker 9: seen recently is I was sitting a court in the
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Speaker 9: morning before trial started, and Chad sits maybe ten or
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Speaker 9: fifteen feet away from me, and he was scrolling through
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Speaker 9: his computer looking at the pictures of Tammy's autopsy, and
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Speaker 9: he had no emotion on his face. I watched Chad
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Speaker 9: all the time in court looking for some kind of emotion,
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Speaker 9: but he showed nothing. He's just scrolling through like he's
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Speaker 9: looking at Facebook or something. And then later on when
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Speaker 9: testimony was happening and the jury was seeing those photos,
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Speaker 9: Chad was crying, carrying on, and John Fryar is making
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Speaker 9: a big show out of handing him a Kleenex and
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Speaker 9: just putting on a big show. So you asked if
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Speaker 9: Chad's going to turn on Tammy day, Bill, I think
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Speaker 9: he's going to do anything or Laurie val I'm sorry,
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Speaker 9: He's going to do anything he can to get out
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Speaker 9: of this.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just wondering.
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Speaker 3: According to some reports, he did manage to squeeze out
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Speaker 3: of tear doing that nine on one call. I didn't
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Speaker 3: see that at all as I was watching him.
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Speaker 2: Maybe some eagle eye reporter named Nate Eaton may have
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Speaker 2: seen it.
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Speaker 3: But hold on, hold on, Nate, before you jump off
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Speaker 3: the cliff, I want you to hear more the Tammy
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Speaker 3: Dabyll nine one one call played.
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Speaker 8: In Courts Groth.
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Speaker 4: Okay, can I get your name?
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Speaker 2: Chad?
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Speaker 7: Stay Bill?
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Speaker 4: Oh okay, Chad, I'm going to get somebody up to
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Speaker 4: you right now.
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Speaker 7: Okay, you have a corner or the bok it is
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Speaker 7: for the Red House.
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Speaker 4: Yes, the Red House on the corner. Yees thinking yellow light. Okay,
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Speaker 4: we'll get somebody up to your cam. So sorry, if
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Speaker 4: you need anything else, to call me back.
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Speaker 8: Okay, okay, Nate, did I just see the defense slaw
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Speaker 8: your hand him a box of tissues?
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Speaker 2: Really, I haven't seen that since.
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Speaker 3: Let's see the Lyle Meanindez trial where the defense attorney
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Speaker 3: was smoothing down the killer brothers sweaters during the trial.
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Speaker 2: They're just up all preppy.
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Speaker 3: And I noticed in the nine on one call, Oh gosh,
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Speaker 3: I wish I could try this case, although they're doing
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Speaker 3: a great job, he goes, and then he goes, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: we are the red house on the corner.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I just you know, help me out here, Nate.
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, this is the first time we saw any
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Speaker 7: sort of emotion from Chad in this trial. He has
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Speaker 7: sat there, stone faced, looking straight ahead as autopsy photos
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Speaker 7: of the children or what's left of the children were shown.
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Speaker 7: As emotional witnesses took the stand and cried about their
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Speaker 7: love of these people who have been murdered, who have
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Speaker 7: been killed. He showed no emotion except when he heard
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Speaker 7: himself crying in that call. And we haven't seen any
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Speaker 7: of the other emotions since. So it's a telling thing.
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Speaker 7: There A lot of people wonder if his attorney put
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Speaker 7: them up to that before you show some emotion and
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Speaker 7: I'll hand you the tissue box, or if it was
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Speaker 7: an actual moment that was unplanned. But either way, for
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Speaker 7: the first time in four weeks, we've seen some sort
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Speaker 7: of emotion from Chad Davell.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, it's handing him tissue. It's more
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Speaker 2: like this, hey, hey, wake up, cry me and like
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Speaker 2: we talked.
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Speaker 3: About, I mean, really, I didn't even see any emotion.
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Speaker 3: If there was any emotion, it was the defense attorney
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Speaker 3: going hips anyway.
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Speaker 2: You know, a great.
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Speaker 3: Defense attar attorney. We try to tear me apart right
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Speaker 3: now because they would say something. I mean, I've heard
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Speaker 3: so many times. I can just tell you what they'd say.
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Speaker 3: Nate Eaton something like there's no playbook for grief.
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Speaker 2: Yeah there is now.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes people are so shells shocked they're just sitting there.
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Speaker 3: But when he hears himself crying, he goes, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I was sad, and then he cries.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 7: The other thing, Nancy that just came out with a
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Speaker 7: witness hours ago is that he didn't show much emotion
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Speaker 7: at Tammy's funeral.
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Speaker 6: In fact, he spoke from.
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Speaker 7: The pulpit at her service and said Tammy was kind
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Speaker 7: of lazy, she didn't do much. We had a witness
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Speaker 7: testify that he said those things at her funeral and
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Speaker 7: then seventeen days later married Lori Vallo.
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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, Nate Ayton has been on this case from
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Speaker 3: the beginning when the two children of Lori Valo cult
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Speaker 3: mom Laurie Valo went missing i Ate were murdered.
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Speaker 2: He Ayton was the one that followed cult mama Lauri.
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Speaker 3: Valo and the prophet Chad Dave Bell all the way
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Speaker 3: to Hawaii, and you can see his hand running along
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Speaker 3: beside cultmom going hey, hey, hey, where are the children?
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Speaker 2: Where are the children?
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Speaker 3: She didn't answer, but I just want to point out
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Speaker 3: another thing, you know what. Let me go to Vicky
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Speaker 3: Hobin joining me, another special guest. This is Tammy day
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Speaker 3: Bell's aunt. The death of the children seven year old Jayjay,
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Speaker 3: sixteen year old Tyley kind of overshadowed the day a
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Speaker 3: grown lady Tammy day Bell. But I've always been disturbed
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Speaker 3: that she was kind of lost in the sauce.
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Speaker 2: But not now, not in court.
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Speaker 3: Vicky Hoban, did you know that called mom Lori Valo
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Speaker 3: ordered her I'm quoting beach b e A C. H.
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Speaker 3: Wedding dress and the groom's beach wedding attire before his wife,
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Speaker 3: Tammy day Bell was killed.
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Speaker 2: And I say was killed because that's what the autopsy shows.
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Speaker 3: So either she's clairvoyant or they planned to kill Tammy
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Speaker 3: before she was found dead and then go for their
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Speaker 3: beachside Hawaiian wedding. And Liz, if you have the picture
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Speaker 3: of call Mam Murrie Valo doing the hula on the
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Speaker 3: beach that actually took pictures, did you know so that
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Speaker 3: the wedding dress and grooms outfit was ordered before Tammy,
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Speaker 3: before they got rid of the first wife.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's come out in court, and.
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Speaker 11: To be honest, I believe it was Kay Woodcock that
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Speaker 11: ended up figuring that piece of the puzzle out because
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Speaker 11: I think she had access to and I'm not sure
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Speaker 11: if it was this or the wedding rings, but she
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Speaker 11: had access to Charles's Amazon account and saw some transactions
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Speaker 11: going on. But yeah, all of that's come out, and
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Speaker 11: it's clear by some of the other testimony as well
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Speaker 11: that there was she was putting on pressure because Charles
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Speaker 11: was dead.
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Speaker 10: She was moving to Rexburg. She got to export.
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Speaker 11: Tammy still wasn't dead, and it was like, you know, okay,
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Speaker 11: just go be with your family. Then I'll just be
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Speaker 11: poor little me over in the corner and I'll just
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Speaker 11: wait for her to die and you can come back
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Speaker 11: to me. So this was not I mean, nobody's buying
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Speaker 11: well as far as nobody I know, and I don't.
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Speaker 11: I feel like the public is behind us one hundred
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Speaker 11: percent that all of the evidence leads to they had
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Speaker 11: a plan. The plan was to remove any obstacle that
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Speaker 11: was there to keep them from being together, and Tammy
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Speaker 11: was just one of them.
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Speaker 2: What was their marriage like before cult Mom came along?
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Speaker 2: Because I've got a.
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Speaker 3: Very strong feeling, and it's based on evidence that I
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Speaker 3: have obtained throughout the investigation. I don't think cult Mom
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Speaker 3: Laurie Vallo was Chad Dabiel's first mistress.
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Speaker 10: I don't either, I think that he was.
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Speaker 11: I don't think that we knew who Chad was because
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Speaker 11: the person that sits before us now is not the
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Speaker 11: person that he pretended to be in our family. So
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Speaker 11: we look at him now, we're like, who who are you?
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Speaker 11: Like still I still don't know who he is. I think,
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Speaker 11: you know, like Nate said, you know, he turned on
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Speaker 11: a fake tear when he heard himself crying.
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Speaker 10: And at the beginning of that phone call, that's.
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Speaker 11: His son, Garth, and you can hear in his voice
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Speaker 11: the like he's just shock in shock. And then Chad
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Speaker 11: grabs a phone away from him, and then in the
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Speaker 11: courtroom when you hear him go, he starts to tear up,
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Speaker 11: which I don't even know if he did tear up.
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Speaker 11: For all I know, it was just a fake dab
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Speaker 11: of the eyes. I mean, the guy's emotionless. And to
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Speaker 11: be honest, I think that Tammy thought their marriage was
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Speaker 11: one thing and it was a complete other thing. And
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Speaker 11: that's the only thing I can figure out because as
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Speaker 11: a family, we just we don't know.
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Speaker 10: We don't know who Chad is.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: Too, Nate Eaton joining me, news director of East Idaho News.
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Speaker 2: Several things.
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Speaker 3: Number one, as to the crying in court, there's a
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Speaker 3: telltale giveaway. We're not allowed to say the S word
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Speaker 3: in our house is not but there was none. So
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Speaker 3: he's crying and he gets the tissue and dare I reenact,
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Speaker 3: dab dab dab dab. There's no nothing like that. Nothing
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Speaker 3: but that said when we hear Vicky Hopen, who is
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Speaker 3: Tammy's aunt, state, we didn't really know who Chad day
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Speaker 3: Bill was.
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Speaker 2: I had a pretty good idea of who Chad Dave Bill.
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Speaker 3: Was is when I heard one of his most infamous
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Speaker 3: pickup lines during his marriage. Hey, you and I were
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Speaker 3: married in another life, so we've already done it.
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Speaker 2: Let's hip hop over to the sleeping motel.
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Speaker 3: We've slept together in a previous life as man and wife,
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Speaker 3: so it's not really adultery now.
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Speaker 2: He actually said that, and women went for it.
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Speaker 6: Well, Lourie Valleshore went for it.
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Speaker 7: I mean within hours, within minutes, he was telling her
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Speaker 7: she was a goddess, that she had created other planets
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Speaker 7: with him, that they were married, they had special roles
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Speaker 7: in the second Coming of Jesus Christ, and they would
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Speaker 7: her job. Her role was to lead the one hundred
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Speaker 7: and forty four thousand the women who were in that group,
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Speaker 7: and he was to lead the men, and they were
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Speaker 7: to create this and it's come out in court. Like
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Speaker 7: you said, Nancy, that they would go to hotels to
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Speaker 7: hook up, to meet up have sex.
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Speaker 2: Nay for Pete's sake, you're a reporter.
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Speaker 3: They weren't meeting in the lobby to discuss the second
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Speaker 3: coming for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 6: They weren't doing that.
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Speaker 7: But when a friend asked, Laurie, don't you feel uncomfortable
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Speaker 7: you're both married, the friend testified that Laurie said, well,
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Speaker 7: I pray and Jesus tells me how far we can
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Speaker 7: go what's appropriate for me and Chad to do.
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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you know how I get when somehow
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Speaker 3: Christ gets dragged into all of these criminal scenarios.
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Speaker 2: So wait, is she's saying that Christ? I almost hate
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Speaker 2: to say it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, was like an umpire and Christ is saying first
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Speaker 3: base good, second base bad?
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Speaker 7: Pretty much? Yeah, pretty much? I mean, and she was
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Speaker 7: she was hearing this from Chad. They have the prosecution
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Speaker 7: has over and over said in this trial that she
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Speaker 7: would go to Chad for direction on everything, and she
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Speaker 7: would get jealous that, you know, Chad was with his family.
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Speaker 7: She would use manipulation to try to get him with her.
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Speaker 7: He would manipulate her back. It was a relationship that's
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Speaker 7: been you know, explained as she was the match, he
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Speaker 7: was the gasoline, and together it was just explosive.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I asked him, says, are they going to do
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Speaker 12: an autopsy to find out because you know it might
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Speaker 12: be for you for her ready to say, children might
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Speaker 12: want to know how their mother passed away and so
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Speaker 12: they could, you know, watch for some symptoms signs stuff
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Speaker 12: like that. But yeah, So basically the words were not
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Speaker 12: I do not want her to have an autopsy.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Nate Eaton helped me out.
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Speaker 3: You were hearing what was stated by Steve Schul's day
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Speaker 3: Bell family friend and funeral director Nate Eaton. Everybody wanted
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Speaker 3: for Chad Daybel to allow an autopsy to determine cod
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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, Nate Eaton, what did Chad day Bell
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Speaker 3: say when he claims he woke up to find Tammy
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Speaker 3: dead in bed right beside.
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Speaker 7: Him, cough a lot around ten o'clock the night before,
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Speaker 7: and then she threw up, and then he said that
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Speaker 7: she said, I'm feeling better now, she went to sleep.
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Speaker 7: He stayed up. This was one of his stories, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: It's kind of changed by the way. He says that
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Speaker 7: he then went to bed and was awakened hours later
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Speaker 7: when Tammy rolled off the bed, and as you infamously said,
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Speaker 7: months ago. Dead people don't roll. I've never forgotten that.
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Speaker 7: He then said that he yelled out to his son
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Speaker 7: to come and put her back on the bed.
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Speaker 6: She was cold. They then called nine one one.
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Speaker 7: And as you mentioned, she didn't want an autopsy, and
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Speaker 7: the family members didn't want an autopsy, and when this
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Speaker 7: funeral director showed up, there was an urgency to get
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Speaker 7: Tammy burried. She died on a Saturday. The funeral was Tuesday,
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Speaker 7: and they kept saying, don't you want an autopsy. She's young,
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Speaker 7: and the family members said, no, we don't want an autopsy.
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Speaker 7: It's fine, we want to move on. And now we
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Speaker 7: know why they didn't want an autopsy.
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Speaker 6: Cold on.
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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, you said she didn't want an autopsy. Tammy
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Speaker 3: didn't want an autopsy.
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Speaker 7: No, no, sorry, I should Davell's daughter, Chad was there
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Speaker 7: with his daughter, and his daughter said, we don't want
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Speaker 7: an autopsy on the family and Chad kind of sat
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Speaker 7: back quiet and didn't really push it or deny it.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm surprised they didn't do an autopsy anyway,
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Speaker 3: because didn't he say at the time that pink froth
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Speaker 3: was coming out of her mouth and or nose.
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Speaker 7: Right and the coroner testified that there was a deputy
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Speaker 7: saw that there was pink foam coming out of her mouth.
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Speaker 7: The coroner obviously has said that she regrets not doing
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Speaker 7: an autopsy. And the thing that really struck everybody there, though,
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Speaker 7: was the urgency of Chad pushing to get the funeral done.
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Speaker 7: And you know, Tammy was a beloved librarian at the
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Speaker 7: local elementary school, and the principal asked Chad, can we
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Speaker 7: do a service or a memorial for her here where
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Speaker 7: we live, rather than four hours away where you're going
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Speaker 7: to bury her?
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Speaker 6: And Chad really hadn't thought about that.
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Speaker 7: He didn't really want to do that, and then the
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Speaker 7: school ended up planning the memorial and doing it all
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Speaker 7: on behalf of Tammy. Chad was in a hurry to
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Speaker 7: get it all done and get her in the ground.
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Speaker 3: You know you stated also Nate Eaton from eastsidahr knees
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Speaker 3: dot Com that the family didn't want an autopsy. They
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Speaker 3: just wanted to quote move on, your words, not mine,
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Speaker 3: And it had only been se what two hours since
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Speaker 3: they found her dead, and they already wanted to quote
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Speaker 3: move on.
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Speaker 7: It'd only been yeah, a couple of hours, and that
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Speaker 7: was that was that the kids were in shock. I
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Speaker 7: think the kids were completely stunned. Chad was crying. He
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Speaker 7: said that he was. The friends that went over to
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Speaker 7: visit them that morning at the house to you know,
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Speaker 7: express their condolences, say Chad would cry when they cried,
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Speaker 7: and then he wouldn't cry. And it was very much
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Speaker 7: like another thing on his list to do. I guess,
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Speaker 7: I guess that's how you could describe it. He was
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Speaker 7: not a shocked husband who was, you know, distraught that
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Speaker 7: his wife was gone. It was more like, well, she's dead.
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Speaker 7: He had told people at these conferences he went to
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Speaker 7: that his wife was going to die young. He had
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Speaker 7: said this publicly to people, and that was what he
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Speaker 7: would tell people after she died. Well, I always figured
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Speaker 7: she was going to young.
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Speaker 6: So he had.
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Speaker 7: Talked about this. We don't know what Tammy thought about that,
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Speaker 7: or if Tammy had heard him saying things like that,
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Speaker 7: but he had quote unquote prophesied that this was going
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Speaker 7: to happen.
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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe he and Scott Peterson shared room together behind
20:16
Speaker 3: bars and talk about commiserate about what they did wrong.
20:19
Speaker 3: One of those things would be prophesying your wife's death
20:22
Speaker 3: before she dies. Doctor Kendall Crown, chief Medical Examiner of
20:26
Speaker 3: Terren County has Fort Worth. Never a lack of business there,
20:29
Speaker 3: doctor Kendall Crown's and lecturer University Texas Christian University Medical School,
20:36
Speaker 3: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I thought when the cod cause of
20:40
Speaker 3: death was unknown, you had to do an autopsy. You
20:44
Speaker 3: just can't have the cheating husband walk in and go
20:47
Speaker 3: I don't want an autopsy, and then you say, okay,
20:50
Speaker 3: we won't do an autopsy.
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Speaker 13: That's correct. I mean when the circumstances of death are unknown,
20:55
Speaker 13: you should always perform an autopsy determine them. Now, there
20:58
Speaker 13: can be situations in which there is religious objections, but
21:02
Speaker 13: still as the medical examiner, you can go past those
21:07
Speaker 13: objections if you have a suspicion to continue on to
21:10
Speaker 13: do the autopsy. So in a forty nine year old
21:13
Speaker 13: female found dead at home suddenly you really should be
21:17
Speaker 13: suspicious of a number of things, and not just you know,
21:20
Speaker 13: heart attack, but possibly drug overdose and always the potential
21:24
Speaker 13: for a homicide.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Kendel Crowns, those were a lot of words, so
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Speaker 3: if possible, And I know that you're used to lecturing
21:33
Speaker 3: medical students who understand what you're saying doctor crowns, Yes, No,
21:39
Speaker 3: when you have a healthy young female, she's forty nine
21:43
Speaker 3: years old, to suddenly quote die in her sleep, shouldn't
21:48
Speaker 3: you do an autopsy if you don't know cod no
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Speaker 3: prior illnesses, no heart, no cancer, no stroke symptoms.
21:54
Speaker 2: No nothing.
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Speaker 13: Yes, you should always do an autopsy in that situation.
21:58
Speaker 6: You know what?
21:58
Speaker 3: Before I go off on a tan and a very
22:00
Speaker 3: well deserved tangent on the medical examiner that didn't do
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Speaker 3: the autopsy, that said, oh, the prophet doesn't want an autopsy, so.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all done here, let's go home.
22:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a big problem.
22:20
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I want to circle back.
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Speaker 3: To what the funeral director said.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 12: He wanted to have the funeral service as soon as possible.
22:35
Speaker 12: And this was on a Sunday morning, and I said, well,
22:42
Speaker 12: with social media, we need to have word get around
22:46
Speaker 12: that people will know so that you'll have somebody showing
22:48
Speaker 12: up at the funeral and even announcing in the newspaper.
22:52
Speaker 12: There's deadlines to meet, and so he said he wanted
22:57
Speaker 12: to get this done just as as he could. I
23:00
Speaker 12: think there was some discussion if even possibly doing it Monday,
23:03
Speaker 12: but that was very quick. We talked about it and
23:08
Speaker 12: he said, we'll do the viewing on Monday. And we
23:10
Speaker 12: came to a reasonable conclusion that the funeral on Tuesday
23:14
Speaker 12: would probably suffice.
23:16
Speaker 3: What why don't they just put her in a trash
23:19
Speaker 3: bag and roll her out to the street and the
23:21
Speaker 3: Dixie dumpster or the Herbie Kirby.
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Speaker 2: I mean, are you hearing this? Nate Ayton helped me.
23:28
Speaker 2: Am I hearing that.
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Speaker 14: He was.
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Speaker 3: She's found on Saturday, and he wanted to have the
23:34
Speaker 3: funeral as quickly as possible to quote, get it over with.
23:38
Speaker 3: And they really, really, Chad, Dave Bill really wanted to
23:41
Speaker 3: have it done on Monday, but they just couldn't get
23:44
Speaker 3: it together. He wanted to have the funeral and have
23:48
Speaker 3: timmy Daybill buried and far far away from an autopsy
23:51
Speaker 3: possibility as quickly as possible, just you know, get her
23:56
Speaker 3: done right.
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Speaker 7: And not only that, Nancy, it wasn't there in their hometown.
24:00
Speaker 7: This funeral where they were going to bury Tammy was
24:03
Speaker 7: six or seven hours away, so you across another state
24:06
Speaker 7: line in Utah. So the funeral director there is trying
24:10
Speaker 7: to tell Chad that the logistics of making this happen
24:13
Speaker 7: so fast when you have family traveling from all over
24:16
Speaker 7: the place, why don't you wait a few days, Why
24:18
Speaker 7: don't you get this done? But Chad was determined we
24:21
Speaker 7: have to get her buried, and it has come out
24:24
Speaker 7: at the trial that he was in communication with Lori
24:26
Speaker 7: Valo during all of this. I'm sure you're not surprised
24:29
Speaker 7: to hear that.
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Speaker 12: Whenever there's whenever there's somebody who's passed away without like,
24:34
Speaker 12: without the doctor's being there to handle that, I'm always
24:40
Speaker 12: really leary of things such as, well, I don't want
24:45
Speaker 12: to have an autopsy. I don't want to I don't
24:50
Speaker 12: want to drag this thing out. And there were already
24:54
Speaker 12: some red flags that I that I had encountered prior
25:00
Speaker 12: to her passing away. That just there was a cause
25:04
Speaker 12: of suspicion for me, And I'm not suspicion concern. I
25:09
Speaker 12: wanted to find out if she had fallen, if there
25:13
Speaker 12: was anything wrong with Hammy.
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Speaker 3: To Vicky Hoven joining us, this is Timmy Dave Bale's
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Speaker 3: aunt was so man, thank you for being with us.
25:23
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm seeing all this in hindsight is twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: But what the big rush? Did you believe there was
25:31
Speaker 2: a rush at the time.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I did. I had the flu. I found out
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Speaker 10: she passed Saturday morning.
25:37
Speaker 11: I had a one hundred and five fever and I said,
25:42
Speaker 11: you know, please, you know, wait, you know, because I'm
25:46
Speaker 11: not going to be able to come. I had a
25:48
Speaker 11: sister with cancer and I couldn't be around her sick,
25:54
Speaker 11: and I had to travel from Arizona.
25:56
Speaker 10: So I didn't even get to attend the funeral.
25:59
Speaker 11: Because as he said she was, he looked, she looked peaceful,
26:04
Speaker 11: and so he didn't need an autopsy, so he wanted
26:08
Speaker 11: to get it done.
26:09
Speaker 10: And I was blown away. I can't even express how
26:15
Speaker 10: to me that was a big red flag. It was
26:19
Speaker 10: just because he didn't care about family getting.
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Speaker 11: There or I mean, it was just it was so
26:25
Speaker 11: rushed and just let's just get it done, wrap it up,
26:29
Speaker 11: and be done with it. And it was like, no,
26:31
Speaker 11: this is a person that means something to us. I mean,
26:34
Speaker 11: we wanted to celebrate her life, we wanted to mourn
26:37
Speaker 11: her death.
26:38
Speaker 10: We didn't know why she had died, she was perfectly healthy.
26:42
Speaker 11: There were so many things going on, so much going
26:45
Speaker 11: on within our family trying to figure it out, and my.
26:49
Speaker 10: Sister wasn't shocked.
26:51
Speaker 11: It just I can't even explain to you what it
26:54
Speaker 11: feels like to have somebody feel, you know, to the
26:58
Speaker 11: point where they just want to get rid of her
27:01
Speaker 11: and just put it behind him. And you know, I
27:04
Speaker 11: felt horrible for her children because I'm like, they can't
27:08
Speaker 11: be okay with this.
27:09
Speaker 10: This doesn't even make any sense. It was heartbreaking.
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Speaker 3: I'm just thinking it through. Tara Malick is with us,
27:15
Speaker 3: high profile lawyer Smith and Malik in these in and
27:20
Speaker 3: around these jurisdictions.
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Speaker 2: Tara, thank you for being with us.
27:24
Speaker 3: You know, it's really hard to keep a jury from projecting.
27:28
Speaker 3: Because as I was listening to Vicky Hoban talk and
27:32
Speaker 3: that's Tammy's aunt, I was thinking about when my dad
27:36
Speaker 3: went to heaven and I had a nephew.
27:40
Speaker 2: We're all very.
27:41
Speaker 3: Close family, and as I recall it, he was in
27:44
Speaker 3: the middle of taking the entrance test to go to
27:48
Speaker 3: graduate school to get his NBA, and.
27:50
Speaker 2: We're, well, he's got to be here, and we waited.
27:54
Speaker 3: We waited an extra day or more so the whole
28:00
Speaker 3: family could be together.
28:01
Speaker 2: But my dad, you know, when we had his service, and.
28:05
Speaker 3: I'm projecting that onto what I'm hearing, or I can't
28:09
Speaker 3: wait to go to the juror.
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Speaker 2: Tom Evans.
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Speaker 3: But tarm Mallett, you're your trial lawyer, how do you
28:16
Speaker 3: dispel that juror projection of their own life events onto
28:23
Speaker 3: the defendant?
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Speaker 6: Well, you can't.
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Speaker 14: I mean, the bottom line is that jurors are going
28:28
Speaker 14: to draw on their own personal experiences when they're interpreting
28:33
Speaker 14: what they're hearing and when they are deciding what the
28:37
Speaker 14: facts of this case are. And you know, the prosecution
28:40
Speaker 14: has done a really nice job of covering these types
28:44
Speaker 14: of things, including the rush to get you know, get
28:47
Speaker 14: Tammy buried. I think that goes back to their motive,
28:51
Speaker 14: their big motive here that they're saying Chad had, which
28:54
Speaker 14: is this case was fueled by sex, money, and power,
28:58
Speaker 14: and all of these pieces of information about his rush
29:02
Speaker 14: to get her buried, his rush to skip over an
29:05
Speaker 14: autopsy go to that theme, right, I mean, he is
29:09
Speaker 14: in a hurry to move on with his life.
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Speaker 3: Okay, here I go projecting again. But to Tom Evans,
29:16
Speaker 3: a juror on the Cult Mom Lori Vello trial, and
29:21
Speaker 3: check out the book Money, Power and Sects the Lori
29:23
Speaker 3: Dave Bell trial.
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Speaker 2: Tom.
29:25
Speaker 3: A couple of months ago, I looked at my husband,
29:29
Speaker 3: David I might. You've got to go to the doctor
29:30
Speaker 3: right now. Your color is not right. You look gray.
29:34
Speaker 3: Your face looks gray. And he said, no, it doesn't'm
29:38
Speaker 3: like it does. Please go to the doctor.
29:41
Speaker 2: He went to the doctor.
29:42
Speaker 6: Guess what it was.
29:44
Speaker 3: A previous doctor had very wisely given him some type
29:47
Speaker 3: of lotion to actually help prevent skin cancer. Okay, and
29:53
Speaker 3: it's white, and it gave him a grayish power.
29:58
Speaker 2: I would not rest until he went to.
30:01
Speaker 3: The heart doctor and has a whole shebang, the stress
30:05
Speaker 3: test that you name it done, every test, imagine, because.
30:08
Speaker 2: I was worried.
30:10
Speaker 3: So if Grandma whoever is coming back, Grandma Cooper, that's
30:14
Speaker 3: my mother.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me what, VICKI, that's my mom.
30:17
Speaker 11: That he's saying he's getting these peminition or visions from.
30:21
Speaker 10: And it's well, if.
30:23
Speaker 2: It's your mom, why did she come back and tell you?
30:25
Speaker 11: Well she that The whole point is it is a
30:30
Speaker 11: crock of crap is what.
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Speaker 2: I'll say it for you bs. It's a technical legal term.
30:36
Speaker 2: So it's your mother coming back to Chad Daybell. I
30:40
Speaker 2: bet she didn't like Chad day Bill very much, did she?
30:42
Speaker 6: Why would she pick Chad?
30:44
Speaker 11: There's I mean, if she's gonna got something to say.
30:47
Speaker 11: There are other people she was a lot closer to.
30:50
Speaker 11: I just don't I don't know why he used her
30:52
Speaker 11: other than she had a lot of influence over our family.
30:55
Speaker 11: She was a powerful matriarch of the family. But to
30:59
Speaker 11: use her and to put her in his books and
31:02
Speaker 11: to use her as to serve the purpose of trying
31:05
Speaker 11: to get rid of Tammy or to manipulate her or
31:09
Speaker 11: her family or whatever is just despicable.
31:12
Speaker 2: You know what.
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Speaker 3: My husband's mom same way, the most wonderful person, had
31:17
Speaker 3: a profound effect on my husband, even though she passed
31:20
Speaker 3: several years ago. When he does something I don't want
31:22
Speaker 3: him to do, I say, David, I'm calling your mother.
31:25
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a seance and I'm going to
31:27
Speaker 3: call her.
31:28
Speaker 2: So I hear what you're saying. So she was picked
31:31
Speaker 2: by day Bell.
31:33
Speaker 3: Specifically to affect Tammy's decision to make a five hour,
31:38
Speaker 3: ten hour round trip visit to Tom Evans. What do
31:42
Speaker 3: you think about all these premonitions and the dearly departy
31:46
Speaker 3: that have already gone over and gone to heaven coming
31:49
Speaker 3: back to guess who Chad day Bell and telling him
31:53
Speaker 3: Tammy's going to die and lower behole. She wakes up
31:56
Speaker 3: covered in bruises with pink froth in her mouth.
31:59
Speaker 9: Well, is the guru the religious guru in this case?
32:04
Speaker 6: But I think this.
32:05
Speaker 9: It's just also confoluted and complicated, And I know that
32:09
Speaker 9: the prosecution, you know, it's just hard for them.
32:12
Speaker 10: They're worried about whether they're getting through to the jury
32:14
Speaker 10: right now.
32:15
Speaker 9: I'm sure, but they have to have faith that the
32:19
Speaker 9: jury is seeing the accumulation of evidence of what it's
32:22
Speaker 9: going to come down to.
32:23
Speaker 3: Wow, have you ever considered being a lawyer, because that
32:26
Speaker 3: would have been a great closing argument.
32:28
Speaker 2: So what was the cod cause of death? Listen?
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Speaker 15: Two months after Tammy dave Bell's death, while Chad Day
32:34
Speaker 15: Bell is celebrating his Hawaiian nuptials to Lorivello Da Bell,
32:37
Speaker 15: his late wife's body is exzoomed for a proper autopsy.
32:41
Speaker 15: Questions swirling around the whereabouts of Lorivello's children elicit doubts
32:45
Speaker 15: that Tammy Dave Bell's death was truly of natural causes.
32:49
Speaker 15: Fremont County corner Brenda Dye re examines dave Bell's body
32:52
Speaker 15: and finds several inconsistencies. Dave Belle's stomach contents do not
32:56
Speaker 15: indicate she vomited. As Jed Dabll reported, the ruise on
33:00
Speaker 15: her arm had significantly deepened, and her lungs were still
33:03
Speaker 15: full of pink foam, which should have subsided dia Men's
33:06
Speaker 15: the cause of death to homicide by asphyxiation due to strangulation.
33:10
Speaker 3: Doctor Kendall Crowns, joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terran County
33:15
Speaker 3: Doctor Kendall Crowns, what does that mean that her lungs were.
33:20
Speaker 2: Still full of pink foam?
33:22
Speaker 3: And also, based on what they find in Tammy's stomach,
33:27
Speaker 3: they know she didn't throw up. That's a new one
33:30
Speaker 3: on me, the looking in the stomach and knowing that
33:33
Speaker 3: she didn't throw up.
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Speaker 2: I'm familiar with the pink fuam, But can.
33:36
Speaker 3: You address the stomach contents as they indicate she did
33:40
Speaker 3: not throw up?
33:41
Speaker 2: How can you do that?
33:42
Speaker 13: Actually, that one's a new one for me as well.
33:44
Speaker 13: I'm not sure how they would know if someone didn't vomit.
33:48
Speaker 13: You know, when you throw up, you don't necessarily throw
33:51
Speaker 13: up your entire stomach content someone go So I don't
33:55
Speaker 13: know where they're going with that one at all. I
33:57
Speaker 13: can explain the pink fluid pomeriadema. I can't explain what
34:01
Speaker 13: they mean by she didn't throw up.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.
34:04
Speaker 13: That's pulmary edema. Fluid in the lungs. When your heart
34:07
Speaker 13: goes into a regular heartbeats or starts slowing down before
34:11
Speaker 13: you die, it causes a backup of fluid because the
34:15
Speaker 13: blood isn't circulating properly. The blood backs up, that causes
34:20
Speaker 13: a fluid backup that then goes into the lungs, creating
34:23
Speaker 13: a edema or fluid build up in the lungs, which
34:26
Speaker 13: creates this frothy, frothy foam that you see coming out
34:30
Speaker 13: of the mouth. You're going to see this and usually
34:33
Speaker 13: in drug overdoses, cases of asphyxiation, cardiac deaths, and drownings.
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Speaker 2: Why do you get the pink foam?
34:43
Speaker 3: If you're asphyxiated, smothered, strangle ligature manual, Why the pink foam?
34:48
Speaker 13: Then you're going to get the while you're being strangled
34:52
Speaker 13: or asphyxiated, you're going to have your heart start slowing
34:55
Speaker 13: down because you're losing oxygenation of your tissues going into
34:59
Speaker 13: organ filure, which results in you developing the edema. And also,
35:03
Speaker 13: I would like to point out with his premonitions. I
35:05
Speaker 13: feel he's using that as a foundation for his murder,
35:10
Speaker 13: in manipulating religious people by saying that God is talking
35:14
Speaker 13: to him because he already has a plan in place,
35:17
Speaker 13: So he's just saying, hey, we're having I'm having a
35:21
Speaker 13: word from God that something's going to happen, and then
35:24
Speaker 13: manipulating their religious background.
35:26
Speaker 2: I agree, night Aton. Tell me how the jury is reacting.
35:30
Speaker 6: The jury this entire time has been very focused.
35:34
Speaker 7: They are many are taking notes, Many are intently looking
35:39
Speaker 7: at the witnesses and at Chad. They're seated directly across
35:43
Speaker 7: from Chad Dabel, so they all they have to do
35:45
Speaker 7: is look forward to see his reaction. For all of it,
35:49
Speaker 7: there haven't been any disruptions with the jury. There are
35:51
Speaker 7: six alternate jurors here, so you have the twelve jurors
35:54
Speaker 7: and the six alternates. They will know at the end
35:56
Speaker 7: of the trial who the alternates are. And remember, Nancy,
35:59
Speaker 7: this is a penalty case. So if Chad day Bell
36:02
Speaker 7: is found guilty, we will go straight into the penalty
36:05
Speaker 7: phase where the jury will then decide if he gets
36:08
Speaker 7: death or life in prison, and there will be witnesses
36:11
Speaker 7: called by the state and by the defense to argue
36:14
Speaker 7: whether he should get life or death. So this jury
36:17
Speaker 7: will not only decide the verdict, but they will decide
36:19
Speaker 7: what sentence Chad dave Bell will get.
36:21
Speaker 3: Nate Ayton is the so called profit going to try
36:26
Speaker 3: to pinant all on call?
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Speaker 16: Mom, Laurie Vale, Well, I think he already is. I
36:30
Speaker 16: think he already is. That his defense attorney said in
36:33
Speaker 16: his opening statements that Chad day Bell had a normal life.
36:37
Speaker 16: He'd never even gotten a speeding ticket. And Lori Valo
36:40
Speaker 16: came from chaos. She came from four husbands, She was
36:44
Speaker 16: constantly surrounded by commotion, her brother would do anything for her.
36:48
Speaker 16: And then when Chad Davell met her, everything changed, everything changed.
36:53
Speaker 16: It was her, It was her, and so every single witness,
36:56
Speaker 16: it seems his defense attorney is trying to point the
36:59
Speaker 16: finger the other way and say Chad wasn't really involved
37:02
Speaker 16: in this. It was all her, and it was all
37:04
Speaker 16: Alex Cox, who's also dead, her brother.
37:06
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so it's the Garden of Eden all over again.
37:11
Speaker 2: Blame the woman, it's her fault.
37:14
Speaker 3: And to you Tom Evans, who was a jurrar on
37:16
Speaker 3: the Coltman, Laurie Valo trial.
37:19
Speaker 2: As you look at the.
37:20
Speaker 3: Evidence unfolding against Chad Dabail, what do you make of
37:25
Speaker 3: all of his heavenly visits and Colt mom trying to
37:30
Speaker 3: use Christ to justify triple murder.
37:34
Speaker 9: Oh, it's just crazy. The whole thing is unbelievable. Sitting
37:40
Speaker 9: in the courtroom with Lorie Valo for seven weeks and
37:43
Speaker 9: then the first time I ever heard her speak was
37:46
Speaker 9: that her sentencing, and that's what she had to say.
37:50
Speaker 9: It's just insulting. There are people in that room gasping
37:53
Speaker 9: and just shaking their heads. I'm sorry that wasn't the
37:57
Speaker 9: question you asked me, but it was.
37:59
Speaker 2: The perfect answer. Or I can tell you that much.
38:01
Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering, Nate Eaton, if there's any move
38:04
Speaker 3: afoot for Dabail the prophet to take the stand and
38:07
Speaker 3: see if he can entice a jury the way he
38:09
Speaker 3: entice that string of women.
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Speaker 17: That's a great question, Nancy. I doubt he would take
38:14
Speaker 17: the stand. But think about this. This is a man
38:16
Speaker 17: that wanted followers. This is a man that wrote books.
38:19
Speaker 17: He wanted readers.
38:21
Speaker 7: He tried to convince people his entire adult life to
38:25
Speaker 7: follow him, to believe what he says, Will he take
38:29
Speaker 7: the stand and get those jurors believing what he says?
38:33
Speaker 6: Will he have eighteen more followers.
38:35
Speaker 7: At the end of this trial, or will they tell
38:38
Speaker 7: him No, your story, your books, all of the stuff
38:41
Speaker 7: you're preaching doesn't hold up. Your plan to go live
38:46
Speaker 7: with Jesus might not happen now. Instead, you're going to
38:49
Speaker 7: be living in prison the rest of your life. Or
38:52
Speaker 7: you might meet Jesus sooner than you thought. So we'll
38:55
Speaker 7: have to see if he does take the stand. I
38:57
Speaker 7: would strongly doubt if he does, you know, I would.
38:59
Speaker 2: Have to have a strength to figure this out.
39:01
Speaker 3: But I've taken a look at Chad Dabll the so
39:04
Speaker 3: called profits string of doomsday books. They don't sound anything
39:10
Speaker 3: like what I've read about Christ nothing at all. Well,
39:13
Speaker 3: he can think about that behind bars. Let's stop and
39:17
Speaker 3: remember American hero police officer Jordan Wingate, just twenty nine,
39:24
Speaker 3: critically injured in a car crash in the line of duty.
39:29
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, he.
39:30
Speaker 3: Leaves behind father Randall, a retired police captain, and his family.
39:37
Speaker 3: American hero police Officer Jordan Wingate thank you to our
39:42
Speaker 3: guests for being with us, but especially to you for
39:45
Speaker 3: being with us tonight.
39:46
Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off good night,