Latest / Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler / Boomer Apologist with Iliza Shlesin…ger
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, who's there?
- 0:02Speaker 2: Hi?
- 0:03Speaker 1: Chelsea?
- 0:03Speaker 3: Am I speaking to a number one New York Times
- 0:05Speaker 3: bestselling author?
- 0:06Speaker 1: Yes you are?
- 0:07Speaker 4: Yes, you are six six times over number one New
- 0:11Speaker 4: York Times bestselling author The Phone Call.
- 0:14Speaker 1: I will never get tired of getting in my entire life.
- 0:16Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
- 0:18Speaker 4: Oh my really didn't think I was going to be
- 0:20Speaker 4: number one this time. I don't know where I got
- 0:22Speaker 4: that in my head, but I really didn't. I just thought, oh,
- 0:25Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what number I am. I'll be grateful
- 0:27Speaker 4: to be on the list. And I'm with number one.
- 0:29Speaker 4: And then I thought, oh my god, it happened again.
- 0:33Speaker 4: This is my seventh book and my sixth number one
- 0:36Speaker 4: New York Times bestseller. Hell, yes, so Yes, hard work
- 0:41Speaker 4: pays off, that's the truth.
- 0:44Speaker 3: Yes, and you have been working hard. You've been making
- 0:46Speaker 3: the rounds. You're everywhere right now.
- 0:48Speaker 1: And it's really exciting to see. I'm currently in south
- 0:51Speaker 1: By Southwest. I'm in Austin, not south By Southwest.
- 0:54Speaker 4: I feel like someone drugged me three days ago because
- 0:56Speaker 4: my head is so unclear.
- 0:58Speaker 1: I'm not sure what happened yesterday. I didn't even have
- 1:00Speaker 1: a drink.
- 1:01Speaker 4: I had four panels and I still feel like someone
- 1:04Speaker 4: drugged me. So I'm like, what is Maybe I did
- 1:06Speaker 4: drug me and forgot.
- 1:07Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if anyone drugged you, the most
- 1:09Speaker 3: likely culprit is you.
- 1:12Speaker 1: This is true, This is true.
- 1:15Speaker 3: Well, congratulations is so exciting and I'm so happy for you.
- 1:19Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
- 1:21Speaker 4: Everybody who's listening. I hope you've ordered my book or
- 1:23Speaker 4: you ordered it downloaded an audible or whatever. But yet
- 1:27Speaker 4: I'll have what she's having because it's going around, and
- 1:30Speaker 4: I have my European dates up. All of my European
- 1:33Speaker 4: dates are officially up now and for sale on Chelsea
- 1:36Speaker 4: Himler dot com. And I'll be in Vegas March twenty
- 1:39Speaker 4: first for a live new Brand news stand up show
- 1:42Speaker 4: March twenty first and April nineteenth, or my next.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Two Vegas states for our fans.
- 1:47Speaker 3: Well, I'm so excited. Our guest today, she is so fantastic.
- 1:51Speaker 4: Oh yes, this is a comedian, so you're in for
- 1:54Speaker 4: a good treat and conversation and a female comedian, someone
- 1:57Speaker 4: who I have known for years, but I've never really
- 2:00Speaker 4: oh no, I used to have her on Chelsea Lately
- 2:02Speaker 4: all the time, but I haven't seen her in years Anyway,
- 2:04Speaker 4: she's hilarious and her name is actually pronounced Eliza Schlessendurr
- 2:10Speaker 4: schlessing gurr. Fuck, it's Eliza Schlessing Gurr. So and she
- 2:18Speaker 4: has a new special aut So everybody please go and
- 2:20Speaker 4: watch that. You got to support female comedy guys and girls,
- 2:24Speaker 4: and you've got to see these pants, and you've got
- 2:26Speaker 4: to see these pants. Please welcome Eliza's lesson.
- 2:28Speaker 5: Gerr.
- 2:29Speaker 2: I have a rule about hot food on a plane. Yeah,
- 2:32Speaker 2: you can't bring hot food. I hear that because everybody
- 2:35Speaker 2: can smell.
- 2:36Speaker 1: It, right herbled eggs is a cold food, you know what.
- 2:39Speaker 1: It's just visually gross, but I guess they don't smell.
- 2:42Speaker 6: It's not like sulfur. But it is the idea of
- 2:44Speaker 6: it as.
- 2:44Speaker 5: Great should be more than just It shouldn't just be
- 2:47Speaker 5: hot food. It should there's there should be a list
- 2:49Speaker 5: of things that are not tenable for a flight, you
- 2:52Speaker 5: know what I mean? Because hardboiled eggs perfect example of
- 2:55Speaker 5: those could be fine in a container, in a ziplock container,
- 2:58Speaker 5: but as soon as you open the seal, then everyone
- 3:00Speaker 5: as exposed to that, so you need to swallow those
- 3:02Speaker 5: whole or like.
- 3:03Speaker 2: The Yeah, Mario two, is that gonna vibe with anyone
- 3:06Speaker 2: who listens to this member the egg creature that.
- 3:08Speaker 1: Would set off the eggs. Okay, I missed that game.
- 3:11Speaker 5: And remember when times were so simple that you could
- 3:13Speaker 5: play Super Mario Brothers. I used to get up at
- 3:16Speaker 5: my friend's sleepovers. We would be like ten eleven years old.
- 3:19Speaker 1: And I would set my alarm.
- 3:21Speaker 5: I don't know why I was traveling with an alarm,
- 3:23Speaker 5: but I would get up orly. I got set so
- 3:26Speaker 5: that I could get on the Maria Super Mario Brothers
- 3:28Speaker 5: before the other girls at the sleepover woke up.
- 3:30Speaker 1: Because it's like, no, no, no, I'm already on. You can't
- 3:32Speaker 1: push me off. I was not a schedule. So obsessed.
- 3:34Speaker 1: I miss being that obsessed with something.
- 3:36Speaker 2: Oh I feel like we are obsessed and we don't
- 3:40Speaker 2: realize it.
- 3:40Speaker 6: Like now it's just called an addiction.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Of the phone. You mean, oh yeah, social media.
- 3:44Speaker 6: I have to take it off. I have to take
- 3:46Speaker 6: it off every day and put.
- 3:47Speaker 1: It back on. Where do you take it off of?
- 3:49Speaker 2: I take it off my phone, and then I might
- 3:52Speaker 2: take it off of your phone, take it off Instagram,
- 3:54Speaker 2: and then I have to do this walk of shame
- 3:55Speaker 2: where I scroll back to find the password that my
- 3:58Speaker 2: social media manager keeps for me. But rather than ask her,
- 4:00Speaker 2: I just have it stored to like I'm lying to her,
- 4:02Speaker 2: Like it's somewhere in my phone and I just go
- 4:04Speaker 2: and I get it and I just erase it every night.
- 4:06Speaker 1: And sounds like you're lying to her and to yourself.
- 4:08Speaker 1: I am, this isrloss.
- 4:13Speaker 5: You're so that makes me want to have a coffee.
- 4:15Speaker 5: And I don't even drink coffee.
- 4:18Speaker 7: Snack.
- 4:18Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have a snack with that little cookie. Yeah,
- 4:21Speaker 1: I like that. So we're at a nice hotel somewhere far,
- 4:24Speaker 1: far away. I would love a coffee. Thank you. Okay.
- 4:28Speaker 1: First of all, Eliza Selessinger is here.
- 4:31Speaker 5: She has a new special out which is fucking funny
- 4:33Speaker 5: as shit. It's called a Different Animal. Are you the
- 4:37Speaker 5: animal or is the special the animal?
- 4:39Speaker 1: Both?
- 4:40Speaker 2: I'm the I was just I'm it's different. I think
- 4:42Speaker 2: I'm different. I think I wanted to create something different.
- 4:45Speaker 1: I have to say.
- 4:46Speaker 2: First of all, your house is so beautiful, and everyone
- 4:48Speaker 2: knows you have so much money.
- 4:49Speaker 1: Well why does everyone think I have so much money?
- 4:51Speaker 1: I don't understand where the archways.
- 4:54Speaker 6: It would never occur to me to redo the arch
- 4:56Speaker 6: like doorways.
- 4:57Speaker 2: I walked in and you're like, I watched your special
- 4:59Speaker 2: and then for a second I was like, oh no,
- 5:00Speaker 2: she saw an old one, and like she thinks it's
- 5:02Speaker 2: the new one. Someone sent you a link, which is
- 5:05Speaker 2: like peak Hollywood Elite. No other podcast had a link.
- 5:10Speaker 6: And I'm like, yeah, because you have people that get
- 5:12Speaker 6: the links.
- 5:13Speaker 1: That is so funny. I mean, you got to sneak.
- 5:15Speaker 6: Nobody has seen this and so I'm blown away, well.
- 5:18Speaker 5: As the first person that's officially seen this special. Besides,
- 5:21Speaker 5: I'm assuming you or maybe you haven't even seen it
- 5:23Speaker 5: yet because you don't even have the link.
- 5:25Speaker 1: I can forward you the link if you want.
- 5:28Speaker 5: I want to say, Ay, you're very prolific as a
- 5:31Speaker 5: stand up. This is your seven stand up special. This
- 5:33Speaker 5: one is on Amazon Prime. Everybody and Amazon and Hulu
- 5:36Speaker 5: are getting into stand up special so like those are
- 5:38Speaker 5: good places to watch them too, And everyone now has
- 5:41Speaker 5: Amazon Prime. I'm assuming I guess not as many people
- 5:43Speaker 5: as Netflix, but it is prevalent and pervasive. I say
- 5:48Speaker 5: that is pervasive. Amazon itself is pervasive. But you have
- 5:52Speaker 5: such a talent. Thank you, you really do. You really have
- 5:56Speaker 5: a great My stand up is very much storytelling, and
- 5:59Speaker 5: you know personal story. You have a very clear talent
- 6:02Speaker 5: of structuring jokes, premises, punchlines.
- 6:05Speaker 1: Would you even talk about in the special?
- 6:07Speaker 5: You mentioned in the special, But I love your focus
- 6:09Speaker 5: on the different generations about millennials because I don't even
- 6:13Speaker 5: know what am?
- 6:13Speaker 1: What am I?
- 6:14Speaker 5: Your generation x x X Okay, so it goes from
- 6:17Speaker 5: generation X then millennial.
- 6:18Speaker 1: I hoping i'd say gen Z.
- 6:20Speaker 5: I hope not Noo. Yeah, fucking annoying gen Z. So
- 6:24Speaker 5: then gen X No, I'm goes.
- 6:26Speaker 2: It goes well if you go youngest to whatever, it's alpha,
- 6:29Speaker 2: which is what my child is or will be gen
- 6:32Speaker 2: Z millennial millennial or xennial millennial, elder millennial, which is
- 6:39Speaker 2: what I am Generation X baby boomer, silent generation, and
- 6:45Speaker 2: then our forefathers.
- 6:46Speaker 5: Okay, so I just know that I'm not a boomer,
- 6:48Speaker 5: so I'm the generation after the boomer, Okay.
- 6:51Speaker 1: I really I mean.
- 6:52Speaker 5: And also when you look up generations, it's like sometimes
- 6:54Speaker 5: they say, oh, eleven to fifteen years and then sometimes
- 6:57Speaker 5: it's a decade, and it's there's different definitions of it all.
- 7:01Speaker 5: But never mind that you and your special, you really
- 7:05Speaker 5: delineate what the differences are between all of these with
- 7:09Speaker 5: a lot of attitude and anger towards towards younger generations
- 7:13Speaker 5: from not.
- 7:14Speaker 6: Working title attitude and anger, a lot.
- 7:17Speaker 5: Picking up the baton after you guys, After millennials just
- 7:20Speaker 5: like laid out everything for future generations, They're just like, wait,
- 7:25Speaker 5: what what do we do?
- 7:26Speaker 1: The first of all, I would.
- 7:27Speaker 5: Just like to go on the record and say boomers
- 7:29Speaker 5: are the worst ones because they ruined our planet and
- 7:31Speaker 5: they they did they well they did now they had
- 7:35Speaker 5: a lot of baby.
- 7:36Speaker 1: Can I say something apologists? Not of them were apologists.
- 7:40Speaker 1: She's an elder millennial boomer apologist. I have to say.
- 7:45Speaker 2: There's this thing I wrote about this in my book,
- 7:47Speaker 2: like when you accuse a generation of something like what
- 7:51Speaker 2: are we expecting that boomers are going to collectively come
- 7:53Speaker 2: together and be like we're so sorry when we all
- 7:56Speaker 2: have those Amazon accounts, like we all postmate stuff, we
- 7:59Speaker 2: all order stuff from overnight. So while they may have
- 8:01Speaker 2: laid the groundwork in terms of like disruptive oil practices
- 8:04Speaker 2: and stuff like that, like we contribute to it with
- 8:07Speaker 2: every frivolous purchase, with every sheen hall, boomers didn't invent that.
- 8:11Speaker 1: So they laid the groundwork but the.
- 8:12Speaker 2: Perpetuation of it is definitely on all of our shoulders,
- 8:16Speaker 2: especially generation Zee.
- 8:18Speaker 1: What is a sheene hall.
- 8:19Speaker 2: A sheene hall is where you buy a bunch of
- 8:22Speaker 2: clothes from Sheen from like fast fashion, and then you
- 8:25Speaker 2: try them all on and then you kind of throw
- 8:27Speaker 2: them away, but they were gonna dissolve anyway, and that
- 8:29Speaker 2: like rose to popularity in the pandemic, so you'd get
- 8:33Speaker 2: people that weren't really mindful, didn't really I guess we're
- 8:36Speaker 2: ignorant too. Fast fashion and that like Sheen and H
- 8:39Speaker 2: and M are like the number one pollutants of fast
- 8:41Speaker 2: fashion on this planet. So you would just order like
- 8:44Speaker 2: fifty pieces of clothes for like a dollar, and you'd
- 8:46Speaker 2: try them all on and then maybe you throw them away,
- 8:49Speaker 2: you know, or something like that.
- 8:50Speaker 1: And so that's that's what a sheen hall is.
- 8:52Speaker 8: Okay.
- 8:53Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say, then you return
- 8:54Speaker 5: everything because you don't want it.
- 8:56Speaker 2: No, some would say that's even worse for the planet,
- 8:58Speaker 2: because then it's going back on.
- 8:59Speaker 5: Anyone who doing that isn't caring about it, doesn't care
- 9:01Speaker 5: about the planet. Anybody's ordering a bunch of clothes, trying
- 9:03Speaker 5: them on and returning them is.
- 9:04Speaker 2: Not or keeping them and they go nowhere or you
- 9:07Speaker 2: donate them, but nobody wants them so cheap.
- 9:10Speaker 1: Every podcast I.
- 9:11Speaker 6: Do, like I come back to like sustainability, and people
- 9:13Speaker 6: just like.
- 9:13Speaker 1: Turn it off, go back to Justin Belgone.
- 9:16Speaker 5: It's like that October seventh, let's talk about Oh yeah,
- 9:19Speaker 5: that's the last time we saw each other right after
- 9:20Speaker 5: the at a jew event right after October seventh.
- 9:23Speaker 1: Okay, but can I can? I?
- 9:24Speaker 2: You came. I invited you. I put on a benefit
- 9:27Speaker 2: and they were like, who.
- 9:28Speaker 1: Else can we invite?
- 9:29Speaker 2: And I was like, I have Chelsea Handler's email and
- 9:31Speaker 2: I don't think she knows I have it. And I
- 9:33Speaker 2: emailed you and you wrote back and you came, and
- 9:37Speaker 2: that like elevated the event, like I tried to already,
- 9:39Speaker 2: like we had tried to have some cool people there,
- 9:41Speaker 2: but like we don't know each other that well.
- 9:43Speaker 6: And the fact that you were like, yeah, I'll be there,
- 9:45Speaker 6: I was just.
- 9:46Speaker 2: Like that was such a cool moment where you definitely
- 9:49Speaker 2: did not have to answer that email and you definitely
- 9:51Speaker 2: did not have to show up, and like I felt
- 9:54Speaker 2: like anointed into like a cool comedian hall of fame.
- 9:57Speaker 1: That's just you and I well, I'm glad I went.
- 9:59Speaker 5: Yeah, I went, I'm glad you came to Okay, So
- 10:02Speaker 5: I don't want you to have to talk about sustainability,
- 10:04Speaker 5: but we can talk about shower sex. Let's talk about
- 10:06Speaker 5: schower sex. Let's talk about I want to know who
- 10:09Speaker 5: is having chower sex. This is a topic that Eliza
- 10:11Speaker 5: covers in her special in a hilarious way, and it's
- 10:15Speaker 5: kind of a you know, kind of calling out all
- 10:18Speaker 5: men who are stupid enough to believe. I don't care
- 10:22Speaker 5: how hot your relationship is, or how new it is,
- 10:25Speaker 5: or how horny you and your partner are, or your
- 10:29Speaker 5: you and your throutle are. You know, I don't want
- 10:31Speaker 5: to discriminate. Maybe you have more than one lever and
- 10:33Speaker 5: a group, but no one wants to fuck in the shower.
- 10:36Speaker 1: It's not fun.
- 10:37Speaker 5: No woman's sexy, it's not and your penis doesn't no
- 10:42Speaker 5: one can feel anything. Also, nobody ever talks about the
- 10:44Speaker 5: fact that you can't you kill your penis inside of
- 10:47Speaker 5: vagina when you're in the shower.
- 10:48Speaker 2: When you're stressing, and like this idea that like, oh,
- 10:51Speaker 2: let's have shower sex. I'm like, we're not two gay
- 10:53Speaker 2: guys at a crunch on like a Thursday, Like, we're
- 10:55Speaker 2: not fucking in a shower.
- 10:57Speaker 5: Why do people That's another thing I want to discuss.
- 11:00Speaker 5: Thank you for bringing it up. It's like you have ESPN.
- 11:03Speaker 5: Why are people fucking at gym? Like gay men specifically?
- 11:08Speaker 5: I know some gay men who specifically go to the
- 11:09Speaker 5: gym just to give blowjobs in the sauna.
- 11:11Speaker 2: I don't understand giving a blowjob, but I understand. I
- 11:14Speaker 2: feel like if you're a gay guy, it's like extra testosterone.
- 11:18Speaker 6: So it's like at level ten all the time, and.
- 11:20Speaker 2: You're like, I gotta get it in because most men would,
- 11:23Speaker 2: like my husband is like you just tell me, you
- 11:25Speaker 2: just tell me when he's like I'm always ready, and so.
- 11:27Speaker 1: It's like it's that times too. You're like, thank you,
- 11:29Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
- 11:30Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, But the showers, it's just more
- 11:33Speaker 2: like you following me in here thinking I'm turning like
- 11:35Speaker 2: I'm here to shave my armpits and like give the
- 11:37Speaker 2: illusion of a bikini line, and you followed me in.
- 11:40Speaker 6: I guess we have a bench in here.
- 11:43Speaker 2: One person is always cold, one person's always uncomfortable, the
- 11:46Speaker 2: lube gets washed away, perhaps in your.
- 11:49Speaker 5: Oh why are you suggesting that you use lube in
- 11:51Speaker 5: the shower?
- 11:52Speaker 1: I guess you should.
- 11:53Speaker 5: It's actually the opposite of a luber can't watter because
- 11:56Speaker 5: have you ever tried to fuck in the ocean.
- 11:57Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
- 11:59Speaker 5: It's the same thing, you know, Yeah, you can't get
- 12:01Speaker 5: It's like you need actually you need a lubricant, but
- 12:04Speaker 5: who's going to bring a lubricant to the Like you
- 12:06Speaker 5: get into the ocean and then lubricate when you're underwater.
- 12:09Speaker 1: It's just all anti It's it's like counterintuitive.
- 12:12Speaker 2: You have a whole continuousy of like mermaid fans that
- 12:14Speaker 2: are like, actually I find aquatic sex.
- 12:16Speaker 1: I think it all just makes aquatics.
- 12:19Speaker 2: I think it just speaks to like a woman's comfort
- 12:22Speaker 2: not being taken into account. And when you're in your twenties,
- 12:25Speaker 2: you're just like, yeah, i'll do that. It's hot, but
- 12:26Speaker 2: like you're not loving it, no, like, and you're cold,
- 12:29Speaker 2: and you're looking down at your feet, which your toes
- 12:31Speaker 2: are spread apart so you can get a grip, and
- 12:33Speaker 2: you've got your chicken.
- 12:34Speaker 1: Feet and your hair.
- 12:35Speaker 2: I have curly hair, and so the whole time I'm
- 12:37Speaker 2: just like, do I look like the monster from Barbarian like.
- 12:41Speaker 1: Which is like, or does your husband's care? Answer? No,
- 12:44Speaker 1: he doesn't care.
- 12:45Speaker 2: I care, And if I don't feel hot, then it
- 12:48Speaker 2: can't happen. And then if I do feel sexy, I'm like,
- 12:50Speaker 2: I'm too busy taking a picture of how hot I
- 12:53Speaker 2: look to have sex right now?
- 12:54Speaker 5: Is that why you wore those pants during your special
- 12:56Speaker 5: to show people how hot you are?
- 12:58Speaker 1: You need to explain those pants to me? You don't
- 13:00Speaker 1: like him? Well, I'm not going to pretend that.
- 13:02Speaker 5: I go, I mean, you have, you have an incredible body,
- 13:06Speaker 5: and I like that. I like that, I like that
- 13:08Speaker 5: you show it off and I understand that.
- 13:11Speaker 1: But those pants, I was just like, why, Yeah, why
- 13:14Speaker 1: I don't.
- 13:15Speaker 2: I don't tell you why because I can, and I
- 13:17Speaker 2: think as a woman, I think the more Carlos come
- 13:21Speaker 2: on in, Carlos bring that business.
- 13:22Speaker 1: No reason you shouldn't become part of this podcast. This
- 13:25Speaker 1: is so cute. It's so cute. I didn't even know
- 13:27Speaker 1: if this is available in my own home. It's so continental.
- 13:30Speaker 1: That's how rich I am. You guys, I didn't even
- 13:32Speaker 1: know I had to. She just met Carlos, she didn't
- 13:34Speaker 1: even know he was here.
- 13:38Speaker 2: I saw, I'm and I love I love a fun
- 13:40Speaker 2: pant and the pants that I wore on my last special, I.
- 13:44Speaker 1: Remember a similar outfit.
- 13:46Speaker 2: It's a similar silhouette and I didn't mean to fall
- 13:48Speaker 2: into it, but we all, you know you dress for
- 13:49Speaker 2: your body type.
- 13:50Speaker 1: What's your body type?
- 13:52Speaker 6: Well, the thighs are all like I started doing pilates.
- 13:54Speaker 1: It's different, but I don't know strong core.
- 13:56Speaker 5: Excuse me one second. I don't want to cough over
- 13:58Speaker 5: you pair the okay, go ahead, just I mean.
- 14:04Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. I don't like to wear
- 14:05Speaker 2: a skirt on stage because I move around a lot.
- 14:07Speaker 2: Like there's just things that you that you find empowering.
- 14:10Speaker 2: And people were so upset about the last pant and
- 14:12Speaker 2: I was like, no, those pants are fire, these pants.
- 14:15Speaker 1: I was scrolling through a.
- 14:17Speaker 2: Rave party wear website, as one does when they're trying
- 14:20Speaker 2: to conceive a child. I had had my daughter, and
- 14:24Speaker 2: I don't remember if I had just gotten pregnant with
- 14:26Speaker 2: Ethan or we were thinking about it.
- 14:27Speaker 1: But I saw those pants and there was something about him.
- 14:30Speaker 2: I was like, those do you ever buy like an
- 14:32Speaker 2: article of clothing and you're like, I don't have an
- 14:34Speaker 2: event now, but I know I will.
- 14:36Speaker 6: Does that ever happen to you or do you have someone
- 14:37Speaker 6: dress you?
- 14:38Speaker 1: Oh god, no, I know what you mean.
- 14:42Speaker 2: I saw them and I was like, they're just I
- 14:44Speaker 2: liked that they had the microflare, Like I just I
- 14:46Speaker 2: was like, that's something aspirational. So I bought them, and
- 14:49Speaker 2: then I was pregnant for a full year and then
- 14:53Speaker 2: I just worked out every day with those, Like my
- 14:55Speaker 2: trainer would be like hips pants pants, like think about
- 14:58Speaker 2: the pants, and I just they reminded me of share
- 15:01Speaker 2: like turn back down, and I just know that there
- 15:04Speaker 2: will be a day that I shouldn't wear those pants, right,
- 15:06Speaker 2: And I just thought that they were cool enough while
- 15:09Speaker 2: not being super distracting. Do we had to iron out
- 15:13Speaker 2: the bulkiness of them in photoshop because they don't lay
- 15:16Speaker 2: right because they're like made of cheap plastic. Maybe, But
- 15:19Speaker 2: I just was like, these pants will upset enough people, yes,
- 15:22Speaker 2: and enliven people, and it'll at least be a talking point.
- 15:26Speaker 5: Yeah, well you're right, it is a talking point. So
- 15:28Speaker 5: good for you, mausotop, thank you. I was just I
- 15:30Speaker 5: thought they were just cool and I just liked them. Well,
- 15:33Speaker 5: I like that you It doesn't really matter if I
- 15:36Speaker 5: like them or not, it matters that you take a
- 15:37Speaker 5: risk and are like, you know, stepping into your own power,
- 15:40Speaker 5: and like, I'm gonna fucking wear these pants.
- 15:42Speaker 1: That's all that really matters.
- 15:43Speaker 2: That's what I mean. And also I do feel empowered
- 15:46Speaker 2: in them, and I do. It's like an extension of
- 15:48Speaker 2: who you are on stage. And I also think I
- 15:51Speaker 2: come from a generation of stand up and I definitely
- 15:55Speaker 2: was a huge part of this, Like just wearing a
- 15:56Speaker 2: hoodie on stage. I think there's a I think there's
- 15:58Speaker 2: a video of view of like at the Ice House
- 16:00Speaker 2: like four hundred years ago, and you're wearing a hoodie, right, Like,
- 16:03Speaker 2: I feel like we women weren't encouraged to do that.
- 16:06Speaker 2: And now I look at younger girls and they're just
- 16:08Speaker 2: like in a bra on stage and they don't think
- 16:10Speaker 2: about it, and I think that that's great, And so
- 16:13Speaker 2: I have to push myself to be like, no, you
- 16:15Speaker 2: can wear these things. You don't have to cover up,
- 16:17Speaker 2: and you can just be yourself on stage. And so
- 16:19Speaker 2: when I do large shows, I feel.
- 16:21Speaker 9: Do you.
- 16:22Speaker 5: When I came up, I was always trying to play
- 16:25Speaker 5: down my looks and be more tomboys, and I've never
- 16:28Speaker 5: really like I've never really worn a dress on stage
- 16:31Speaker 5: or a skirt on stage, Like even when I used
- 16:33Speaker 5: to wear heels on stage, I'm like, this is so annoying,
- 16:37Speaker 5: Like this is not who.
- 16:37Speaker 1: I would ever be in real life.
- 16:39Speaker 5: But did you feel like you had to dial down
- 16:41Speaker 5: your looks when you were eyeing up?
- 16:43Speaker 2: I think it's something that people talked about, But I like,
- 16:45Speaker 2: you can't.
- 16:46Speaker 1: Be funny and pretty, so cool it with the pretty?
- 16:48Speaker 2: Oh it was more normally it was an accusation like
- 16:50Speaker 2: funny and pretty, like what's the catch, And you're like,
- 16:52Speaker 2: I don't know, You're really ugly, so obviously it's the catch.
- 16:55Speaker 1: I have herpes, that's the catch, and I have I'm dying.
- 17:00Speaker 2: I am a tomboy, like I always grew up wearing
- 17:02Speaker 2: big T shirts and not really you know, you maybe
- 17:05Speaker 2: wear a tank top to a college bar when you're out,
- 17:08Speaker 2: but on stage, I just was always comfortable as that,
- 17:10Speaker 2: so I never went out of my way. But I
- 17:12Speaker 2: always felt like, remember I wore white ripped jeans on
- 17:15Speaker 2: stage at the Comedy Store in like twenty eleven and
- 17:18Speaker 2: I had a bad set and I was like, must
- 17:19Speaker 2: have been the jeans.
- 17:20Speaker 1: We'll always dial it back and there is as a woman.
- 17:23Speaker 2: When you come on stage, if you do have a
- 17:25Speaker 2: good body and your dress sexy or it's revealing, especially
- 17:29Speaker 2: if you're unknown, it does take the audience and extra
- 17:32Speaker 2: ninety seconds to get over it. And I was always
- 17:34Speaker 2: of the mindset like, Nope, I need to get you
- 17:36Speaker 2: right up top because I've got something to say and
- 17:37Speaker 2: I don't have these eight minutes. But as an adult,
- 17:39Speaker 2: I try to take more time.
- 17:40Speaker 8: Now.
- 17:41Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're supper hands.
- 17:42Speaker 5: I mean you do jam a lot of material into
- 17:45Speaker 5: an hour. Yeah, And I don't mean jam as a negative.
- 17:47Speaker 5: I mean you really get so much bang for your
- 17:51Speaker 5: buck with every sentence, every joke, every premise you it's
- 17:56Speaker 5: very full body.
- 17:57Speaker 1: Thank you. I like that. It's very artistic.
- 18:00Speaker 5: I appreciate that artist, and in the form of stand
- 18:03Speaker 5: up like that's very very well done.
- 18:05Speaker 2: Thank you, Chelsea Handler. That means a lot I do.
- 18:09Speaker 2: I was watching some of Ali Wong the other day
- 18:11Speaker 2: and she's very deliberate and she speaks will say slower
- 18:14Speaker 2: than I do. I mean most auctioneers do. And I
- 18:16Speaker 2: was watching that, I was like, I could have gotten
- 18:18Speaker 2: two hours out of this if I just did like
- 18:21Speaker 2: a long pace, if I just spoke like every other
- 18:23Speaker 2: comic and just took my.
- 18:26Speaker 1: I was like, there's an art to this.
- 18:27Speaker 2: I gotta slow down and I won't have to work
- 18:29Speaker 2: as hard to write, Like I can just have two
- 18:32Speaker 2: hours out of this one.
- 18:33Speaker 1: So doesn't it feel like stand up feels like such
- 18:36Speaker 1: a hustle? Right?
- 18:38Speaker 5: Like it is you're constantly if you're a stand up
- 18:40Speaker 5: comedian and that's your main vocation. I mean, obviously we
- 18:44Speaker 5: all have ancillary things we do, but like, if that's
- 18:47Speaker 5: your main vocation, it is constant fucking hustle, traveling.
- 18:51Speaker 6: I feel hustling and I do hustle.
- 18:54Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I mean you're a real stand up
- 18:56Speaker 1: you get it.
- 18:57Speaker 2: Like it's not like something that you picked up once
- 18:59Speaker 2: you became famous, which a lot of people do.
- 19:02Speaker 1: I don't think people fully.
- 19:04Speaker 2: Understand, like especially when you're an artist versus just a
- 19:07Speaker 2: joke teller, Like when you actually do bleed for this
- 19:10Speaker 2: and this is something that you that is you're married
- 19:13Speaker 2: to in a sense, you are the engine. And I
- 19:16Speaker 2: was actually thinking about that on the way over here,
- 19:18Speaker 2: Like if I don't write, if I don't push myself
- 19:21Speaker 2: to work out and to write this, there's no one
- 19:23Speaker 2: writing it for me. There's no studio calling being like
- 19:26Speaker 2: we're gonna put a team together.
- 19:28Speaker 6: What's your next thing?
- 19:29Speaker 2: If you don't write your books, if you don't create
- 19:32Speaker 2: these things, especially when you're a funny woman, because no
- 19:35Speaker 2: one can create the funny for you. People could, of
- 19:36Speaker 2: course write you some jokes, but like the engine is me.
- 19:40Speaker 2: And when I take a break, like there's no one
- 19:42Speaker 2: knocking at the door, like are you done taking your break? Yes,
- 19:44Speaker 2: I'm sure people would prefer I just take the break forever.
- 19:47Speaker 1: Well, it's you're completely self reliant.
- 19:49Speaker 2: There's no like, there's no safety net. Yeah, right, like
- 19:52Speaker 2: the mortgages are in my name.
- 19:54Speaker 5: But that's also kind of a nice thing that. Conversely,
- 19:57Speaker 5: there's like a flip side of it, which is you're
- 20:00Speaker 5: not really answering to anybody but yourself.
- 20:04Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, yes, because I can't take those breaks.
- 20:08Speaker 1: I can take that vacation.
- 20:09Speaker 2: But I do feel that we've I think we're coming
- 20:12Speaker 2: away from it now. But we did get to a
- 20:13Speaker 2: place in comedy where you were answering to a very
- 20:18Speaker 2: loud minority on the Internet. And those are the people
- 20:21Speaker 2: that were canceling people, people that had nothing and were
- 20:24Speaker 2: angry at you for trying, and those voices got amplified,
- 20:28Speaker 2: so I was never answering to them, but there was
- 20:30Speaker 2: like a stutter step, especially as a woman, because we're
- 20:32Speaker 2: expected to be kinder and empathetic at every turn.
- 20:36Speaker 6: Meanwhile, guys are like, oh yeah.
- 20:37Speaker 2: I got this underage hand job and it felt great,
- 20:40Speaker 2: and uh yeah, maybe women shouldn't be allowed to read,
- 20:42Speaker 2: and it's just like, oh, more of that, please, And
- 20:45Speaker 2: I get up here. And if I'm like, oh, yeah,
- 20:47Speaker 2: I chose to have.
- 20:48Speaker 1: Two kids, it's like, why didn't you have three? Do
- 20:50Speaker 1: you hate women who don't have kids?
- 20:51Speaker 2: And you're just like, all right, you're constantly having to
- 20:55Speaker 2: answer for what you have done and haven't done as
- 20:58Speaker 2: a woman. And I think that we're swinging the other
- 21:01Speaker 2: way where now you can kind of just make statements
- 21:03Speaker 2: and not have to Well.
- 21:04Speaker 5: Now that Trump is pregnant, pregnant, now that he's been
- 21:08Speaker 5: pregnant for quite some time. But now that Trump is president,
- 21:10Speaker 5: I'm sure all that political correctness everything's out the window.
- 21:15Speaker 5: Something else you talk about in your stand up is,
- 21:17Speaker 5: which I think is so great, when men congratulate other
- 21:21Speaker 5: men for impregnating their wives, Like when Eliza's husband's friend.
- 21:28Speaker 6: Or stranger stranger usually stranger.
- 21:30Speaker 1: Right finds out that you're pregnant, especially.
- 21:33Speaker 2: With a boy, especially, they love to know there's a
- 21:36Speaker 2: boy in the world, right, but men will There's it's
- 21:39Speaker 2: the weirdness, the dystopian weirdness of standing there while one
- 21:43Speaker 2: man congratulates my husband, not me, on the pregnancy. I'm
- 21:48Speaker 2: like he played the smallest part, like I am doing
- 21:50Speaker 2: all the work, and it is like congratulations, six seconds,
- 21:53Speaker 2: well done, and you're just standing there. It's super Handmaid's
- 21:56Speaker 2: Tale and you're just like, well, I was just glad
- 21:58Speaker 2: to receive.
- 21:59Speaker 5: It's it's not their party, and what are they congratulating
- 22:03Speaker 5: each other on.
- 22:04Speaker 1: Seriously, though, when.
- 22:05Speaker 5: You think about it, it's like, yeah, way to go,
- 22:07Speaker 5: fuck your wife and get her pregnant.
- 22:09Speaker 2: Way to go, way to go, because men love to
- 22:12Speaker 2: know other men are having sex. And like two guys
- 22:15Speaker 2: at a bar, if a guy leaves with a girl,
- 22:16Speaker 2: a guy will just high five and be like a
- 22:18Speaker 2: nice job.
- 22:19Speaker 1: Women are like, don't go with him.
- 22:20Speaker 2: That doesn't feel safe, Like we don't want anyone having sex, Yeah,
- 22:24Speaker 2: we want and men or just like just however, you
- 22:25Speaker 2: got to get it in and it's it's primal and
- 22:28Speaker 2: it's the way they are.
- 22:28Speaker 1: But I want the congratulations as well.
- 22:31Speaker 5: You did you have sex with a lot of car
- 22:32Speaker 5: or did you have a lot of boyfriend comics?
- 22:34Speaker 1: No? Ever, No, none. You never dated a comic?
- 22:37Speaker 2: I did, but so long ago, and I kind of
- 22:40Speaker 2: just stayed out of it. But a big reason I did,
- 22:43Speaker 2: and I think you can probably relate to this. I
- 22:45Speaker 2: became a headliner so early in my career, so.
- 22:49Speaker 1: From winning Last Comic Standing, Yes, and so.
- 22:52Speaker 2: That was like twenty five, and so that's the time
- 22:54Speaker 2: of your life where you are looking to at the time,
- 22:57Speaker 2: mostly men who were in positions of power for validation
- 23:00Speaker 2: to take you on the road. And it's not that
- 23:03Speaker 2: women always sleep with those guys, but that I didn't
- 23:06Speaker 2: need that from a man, and I certainly didn't want
- 23:08Speaker 2: to date a coworker or someone who was less funny
- 23:11Speaker 2: or successful than me.
- 23:13Speaker 1: So that pool was pretty much shot.
- 23:15Speaker 2: And I think men, you know, you try to date
- 23:17Speaker 2: a male comic who doesn't do as well as you,
- 23:19Speaker 2: they always get jealous. So I just never it was
- 23:22Speaker 2: never my dating pool.
- 23:23Speaker 8: Mm hmmm.
- 23:24Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if I made out with any
- 23:25Speaker 1: of them. I don't even think so. I once had
- 23:27Speaker 1: sex with Tom Roads. Do you know who Tom Roads is?
- 23:29Speaker 6: I just canceled on a lineup he was on the
- 23:31Speaker 6: other night.
- 23:31Speaker 1: Oh oh, I was like, did he do something? Was
- 23:34Speaker 1: he canceled? He's very nice. He's a sweetheart. I once
- 23:36Speaker 1: had sex looking Yeah he and yeah he is still
- 23:39Speaker 1: good looking. He came up to me.
- 23:40Speaker 5: We were at the n Airport Lounge the other day
- 23:43Speaker 5: and he American and he I was with my cousin
- 23:47Speaker 5: and he was like, hey, Chelsea just wanted to say hello,
- 23:49Speaker 5: and I.
- 23:49Speaker 1: Just thought he was he shook your hand.
- 23:51Speaker 5: I thought he was a rando. Like I just thought
- 23:52Speaker 5: he was a fan or something. And I said, oh, hi,
- 23:54Speaker 5: nice to me. He goes, it's me Tom Rhodes. And
- 23:57Speaker 5: I'm like, oh hi, Like because I did fuck him
- 24:00Speaker 5: many many years ago in San Francisco, and it was
- 24:03Speaker 5: one of those great experiences where you have a kind
- 24:05Speaker 5: of fun one night stand. Like I never really dated
- 24:08Speaker 5: that many comics. I mean, I know I did a
- 24:09Speaker 5: Joe Coy, but that was like PostScript of like comedy
- 24:13Speaker 5: coming up time. And he's one of those comics I
- 24:15Speaker 5: had sex with. And when he walked away Molly's like,
- 24:17Speaker 5: who is that. I'm like, oh, this comic Tom Roads.
- 24:19Speaker 5: I had sex with him, like many many moons ago.
- 24:21Speaker 5: And I didn't say moons ago because I don't say that,
- 24:24Speaker 5: but I remember having a great interlude with him. We
- 24:26Speaker 5: had sex, We had a fun night in San Francisco.
- 24:29Speaker 5: We were fucked up drinking and whoever, who knows whatever else,
- 24:33Speaker 5: And then we tried to reenact it in LA and
- 24:37Speaker 5: he like a couple months later.
- 24:39Speaker 6: Just after you were you or is this before your
- 24:41Speaker 6: shot I.
- 24:41Speaker 1: Was coming up.
- 24:42Speaker 8: I wasn't.
- 24:43Speaker 1: No, I was like, you know, starting out.
- 24:45Speaker 5: And I think I was opening for him at the
- 24:47Speaker 5: San Francisco Punchline probably like I was probably the opener.
- 24:49Speaker 5: There was a middle and he was the headliner. And
- 24:52Speaker 5: so we ended up having you know, a great night
- 24:55Speaker 5: on our last night of the week. And then we
- 24:57Speaker 5: tried to recreate it in LA and I met him
- 25:00Speaker 5: at the comedy store here in LA and it was
- 25:02Speaker 5: a I think I got my period, Like it was
- 25:05Speaker 5: one of the worst hookups ever.
- 25:06Speaker 1: You know what, Sometimes so you just have to leave
- 25:08Speaker 1: something alone, like never speak to me.
- 25:10Speaker 5: Just because you have one good night with a person
- 25:12Speaker 5: doesn't mean you should ever see them again. It's like
- 25:15Speaker 5: when you go to a really good restaurant when you're
- 25:16Speaker 5: on vacation, don't go back there the next night because
- 25:19Speaker 5: it was so good the first night, Well, only disappoint you.
- 25:21Speaker 1: I feel that way.
- 25:22Speaker 2: With like an entree, I'll be like I want to
- 25:23Speaker 2: order another one, yes, or like the second. You can
- 25:25Speaker 2: never have two egg mcmuffins. Like the first yeah so delicious, Yeah, No,
- 25:31Speaker 2: I love egg mcmuffins, the second one the instant diarrhea.
- 25:34Speaker 1: What they need to do is make eggman muffins a
- 25:36Speaker 1: little bit bigger. When we went through COVID, I had
- 25:38Speaker 1: my housekeeper.
- 25:39Speaker 5: I'm like, just go stock up on as many egg
- 25:41Speaker 5: mcmuffins as possible because I'm not gonna be able to
- 25:43Speaker 5: go to McDonald's and I fucking love eg mcmuffins.
- 25:46Speaker 1: Stop up stock of freezing them.
- 25:48Speaker 5: But yeah, I was freezing them, and they are not
- 25:50Speaker 5: as good when you freeze them. No, he turns out,
- 25:54Speaker 5: was like nothing got me off of them quicker than
- 25:57Speaker 5: freezing them.
- 25:57Speaker 1: I'm like, these are not good at all.
- 26:00Speaker 2: And also get you offer them. Having two on like
- 26:02Speaker 2: a regional flight in the Northeast, You're like for years
- 26:08Speaker 2: when I when I was first traveling, you know, you
- 26:10Speaker 2: get there to the airport and I was like, okay,
- 26:11Speaker 2: I nevery McDonald's, but this is my my allowance at
- 26:15Speaker 2: the airport.
- 26:15Speaker 6: Will have it, And then one time I had two.
- 26:17Speaker 6: Never again. Yeah, I definitely agree.
- 26:20Speaker 2: With you about the Sometimes you have these wonderful moments
- 26:26Speaker 2: like the sexual encounter and it's just and no one's jealous,
- 26:29Speaker 2: it's not weird, And I feel like women so rarely
- 26:32Speaker 2: get to have those where you're like, I don't even
- 26:33Speaker 2: want it again, I don't want to date you like that.
- 26:36Speaker 2: That hit the spot. And even though I didn't get
- 26:38Speaker 2: off like that was still great. Thank you so much.
- 26:41Speaker 1: YE need it again.
- 26:42Speaker 5: And it's a good lesson to know, Like for our
- 26:45Speaker 5: young listeners, it's a good lesson to know just because
- 26:48Speaker 5: you have a great night with somebody doesn't mean that
- 26:51Speaker 5: you need to have another great night with them.
- 26:53Speaker 1: Like sometimes it's okay.
- 26:54Speaker 5: Just to like read a good book and let it go,
- 26:56Speaker 5: like you don't have to keep rereading it.
- 26:58Speaker 1: I did.
- 26:59Speaker 2: I will say, you don't who this person is. There
- 27:01Speaker 2: was a total power reversal. I was playing somewhere I'm
- 27:05Speaker 2: not even gonna say the city or anything, and it was.
- 27:08Speaker 2: It was a younger comic that I had known forever,
- 27:11Speaker 2: and they opened for me ran like guest sets at
- 27:15Speaker 2: this in this city and I'd see them as every
- 27:17Speaker 2: few years. And he came over and he just went
- 27:20Speaker 2: down on me. I have never shared the story, and
- 27:22Speaker 2: it felt so powerful because normally it's the other way,
- 27:25Speaker 2: or you have some weird sex.
- 27:26Speaker 6: And I just let him and it was great.
- 27:29Speaker 2: And I had to leave early the next morning, and
- 27:30Speaker 2: I was like, you can eat whatever you want out
- 27:31Speaker 2: of the mini bar.
- 27:32Speaker 1: I gotta go, and I just.
- 27:33Speaker 5: After you're done eating me out, you can eat whatever
- 27:35Speaker 5: you want out of the mini bar.
- 27:37Speaker 2: And it was great and I and it was and
- 27:39Speaker 2: I felt like a real headliner and it just it's
- 27:42Speaker 2: like a nice memory.
- 27:43Speaker 6: And I never really talked to this person, but like.
- 27:46Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nice of you to let them do that. Yeah,
- 27:48Speaker 1: that's what I clean. That's nice to.
- 27:50Speaker 5: Let somebody go down on you. Like that's the way
- 27:52Speaker 5: that women should be viewing that. That's a nice thing
- 27:54Speaker 5: to do for another person. It's not necessarily all about us.
- 27:58Speaker 5: It's like, well that's awesome, so like you know, friendly.
- 28:01Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna love this.
- 28:03Speaker 2: And it felt like powerful and cool and it didn't
- 28:05Speaker 2: feel like anyone was taking advantage. And I definitely then
- 28:08Speaker 2: it was weird because like that person brought their family
- 28:10Speaker 2: to see me, like two years later, I'm like, here's
- 28:12Speaker 2: some tickets and no problem.
- 28:14Speaker 1: Like a nice relationship.
- 28:15Speaker 5: Did you feel like did you feel when that happened
- 28:19Speaker 5: and they came back around with their family?
- 28:20Speaker 1: Did you feel any itck at all? Like oh no, keep.
- 28:24Speaker 2: In touch like over DM and he's like, hey, my family,
- 28:26Speaker 2: can I get tickets?
- 28:27Speaker 1: I'm like, Andy's a fan.
- 28:28Speaker 2: Great, of course you can have tickets with your sweet
- 28:31Speaker 2: family also has to go down.
- 28:33Speaker 5: How did you meet your How did every family member
- 28:35Speaker 5: needs to go down on you?
- 28:36Speaker 1: How did you meet your husband?
- 28:38Speaker 6: That was him?
- 28:41Speaker 1: I met him on Riya. Oh really Ya's success store.
- 28:44Speaker 1: Have you've been of course?
- 28:46Speaker 5: Yeah, lots of different sex on RYA different like countries.
- 28:49Speaker 5: I find RYA to'd be great for like when you're
- 28:51Speaker 5: in the UK or New York or like it's a
- 28:53Speaker 5: nice hotspot and it and it and it gives you
- 28:56Speaker 5: a I mean now it's opened up a little bit
- 28:59Speaker 5: more and expanded, but when I was using it a lot,
- 29:02Speaker 5: it gives you a more what is the word that
- 29:04Speaker 5: I'm thinking of, like continental more continental buffet. It gives
- 29:09Speaker 5: you more of a grouping of people that are actually
- 29:13Speaker 5: a little bit more rightly elevated. Yeah, than that's what
- 29:15Speaker 5: we're going to find on like Twitter, I mean not Twitter, sorry,
- 29:18Speaker 5: Tinder or like hinge or whatever. It's just like a
- 29:20Speaker 5: little bit more of a guarantee that we're not to
- 29:22Speaker 5: find curated.
- 29:23Speaker 1: That was the word I was thinking about.
- 29:26Speaker 2: Well, you know, people will grimace at well bristle at that.
- 29:29Speaker 2: But like if you have a public profile, like if
- 29:31Speaker 2: you are a celebrity at all, you can't open yourself
- 29:34Speaker 2: up to just going out with whomever. And so for
- 29:37Speaker 2: the longest time, for me, like I was never so
- 29:40Speaker 2: like I wasn't famous enough that I was like at
- 29:42Speaker 2: Denzel's Denzel, why.
- 29:44Speaker 6: Would we find Denzel Washington?
- 29:47Speaker 1: Oh my god?
- 29:48Speaker 2: Or like I just wasn't at famous people's houses. But
- 29:52Speaker 2: I was famous enough that I couldn't just pick up
- 29:55Speaker 2: a random person. So you would rely on like friend recommendations,
- 29:59Speaker 2: you know, idea did someone I knew in college, and
- 30:02Speaker 2: you just would find these people sort of natively. And
- 30:04Speaker 2: then Riot came along, and so it wasn't necessarily other celebrities,
- 30:08Speaker 2: but it was like verified, like, oh, I'm an artist too,
- 30:11Speaker 2: Like I get it.
- 30:12Speaker 1: So you don't leave your cause it's a vulnerable thing
- 30:14Speaker 1: to go out with someone.
- 30:15Speaker 5: Well of course, of course, especially when you know, yeah,
- 30:18Speaker 5: especially when you are a celebrity and they know who
- 30:21Speaker 5: you are and you're like putting yourself out there. I'm
- 30:24Speaker 5: of the ilk that you just let go of all
- 30:26Speaker 5: of that, Like, who gives a fuck? You know you're
- 30:28Speaker 5: gonna walk around being this person in your real life regardless.
- 30:31Speaker 5: So when people who are friends of mine are like,
- 30:34Speaker 5: how could you go on those sites, I'm like easily,
- 30:36Speaker 5: you know, I'm trying to get some action.
- 30:38Speaker 1: Right also at this like who cares? Like I don't
- 30:40Speaker 1: care if they know that I'm on this site. That
- 30:42Speaker 1: doesn't bother me.
- 30:43Speaker 2: Right, especially not now, I think like the stigma of
- 30:45Speaker 2: online dating is completely gone. Everybody does it. It makes a
- 30:48Speaker 2: lot of sense. You can't go out every single night,
- 30:50Speaker 2: but I do think you know, when you're younger, you're
- 30:53Speaker 2: just trying to like sort it out, and you don't
- 30:54Speaker 2: know what someone else's intention is right when they go
- 30:57Speaker 2: and then you bring them to your house or you
- 30:59Speaker 2: go to like it's just weird. But I did meet him.
- 31:01Speaker 2: He was not a celebrity, and I was like, who
- 31:03Speaker 2: let you in here? But he was just so funny
- 31:06Speaker 2: and so easy to talk to.
- 31:08Speaker 1: And then that was that. Wow.
- 31:09Speaker 6: I was his first Riot date.
- 31:10Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know my fifth or something like,
- 31:13Speaker 2: I hadn't been on that long and it just worked.
- 31:15Speaker 1: Wow.
- 31:15Speaker 2: He was so lovely and that was like day one
- 31:18Speaker 2: and like that was it. And so what kind of
- 31:20Speaker 2: artist is he?
- 31:20Speaker 1: He's a chef.
- 31:21Speaker 6: Oh, but he's a I should have brought you a book.
- 31:24Speaker 2: He's a cookbook author and chef and and a writer
- 31:28Speaker 2: and so he writes a lot of you know, articles,
- 31:30Speaker 2: free length.
- 31:30Speaker 6: But he is a chef and cookbook author.
- 31:32Speaker 1: That's cool. It was cool.
- 31:33Speaker 2: And when I met him, he was he had opened
- 31:35Speaker 2: you ever are you a regular eater or do you
- 31:37Speaker 2: eat not eat meat or anything? No, I'm a regular
- 31:40Speaker 2: regular person. He was the opening chef for Bloodsoe's Barbecue
- 31:43Speaker 2: on Libreak, which is like an LA staple. And he
- 31:47Speaker 2: has his cookbooks. He writes cookbooks. He has one coming out.
- 31:50Speaker 2: Do you ever eat at found Oyster? You're very far
- 31:52Speaker 2: west over here, so I don't know, I know but
- 31:53Speaker 2: I've heard of found Oyster. I love oysters. So Ari
- 31:56Speaker 2: Culiner he wrote Ari's book and that comes out called
- 31:58Speaker 2: How to Cook the Finest Things in the Sea. So
- 32:00Speaker 2: he's the guy that he's got James Beard's Award. Like,
- 32:02Speaker 2: he's the guy you go to if you're like, I
- 32:03Speaker 2: want to do a cookbook. He will capture your voice
- 32:05Speaker 2: and write that way with you and recipe test.
- 32:07Speaker 5: That's such a nice refreshing vocation. It's so it's great
- 32:11Speaker 5: in this town especially.
- 32:12Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not like a fake chef or a photographer
- 32:15Speaker 2: or a producer.
- 32:16Speaker 5: I mean a photographers at least, can you know, take photographs,
- 32:19Speaker 5: but producers is a little bit of a gray area,
- 32:22Speaker 5: as we all know.
- 32:23Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, on that notework.
- 32:25Speaker 5: We're going to take a break and we'll be right
- 32:27Speaker 5: back with Eliza's Schlessinger. And we're back with Eliza Slessenger. Okay, Catherine,
- 32:37Speaker 5: why do we have what's happening?
- 32:39Speaker 1: We actually have two blakes today? Oh my god? More
- 32:42Speaker 1: is it a blake Lively calling in for advice? She
- 32:44Speaker 1: calls in one more time. I swear to god.
- 32:46Speaker 6: She's like, I'm your neighbor, Chelsea.
- 32:48Speaker 1: My god, Well, our first Blake of the day.
- 32:51Speaker 3: He says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a thirty one year old
- 32:54Speaker 3: trans man who lives in northern Ontario, Canada. I grew
- 32:57Speaker 3: up very liberal, where being who you are was not
- 32:59Speaker 3: a crime shameful. And now I'm married and I've been
- 33:02Speaker 3: with my wife for almost six years now. She comes
- 33:04Speaker 3: from a very conservative Christian home and her family took
- 33:07Speaker 3: a while to warm up to me. They never came
- 33:09Speaker 3: to our wedding because it's a sin quote unquote and
- 33:12Speaker 3: they don't agree with our lifestyle. They still aren't on
- 33:14Speaker 3: board with us to this day, but then they claim
- 33:17Speaker 3: to love us and all of that fun stuff.
- 33:18Speaker 1: People say.
- 33:19Speaker 3: Should I continue to be the bigger person and continue
- 33:22Speaker 3: to just visit them like they haven't done anything wrong?
- 33:24Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Hi, Hi Blake, Hi Blake.
- 33:29Speaker 2: I can give you the carrot at the bottom next
- 33:32Speaker 2: to the microphone.
- 33:34Speaker 9: Got it?
- 33:34Speaker 8: Yeah?
- 33:36Speaker 5: Hi, that's one millennia helping another, just doing what I can.
- 33:40Speaker 1: Hi, Hi Blake Lively, how are you?
- 33:43Speaker 7: I'm good?
- 33:43Speaker 8: Thank you?
- 33:44Speaker 7: How are you guys today?
- 33:45Speaker 1: We're so tired of hearing about you.
- 33:48Speaker 5: Okay, so your wife's parents they know you're trans, correct
- 33:52Speaker 5: and that's the big issue.
- 33:54Speaker 7: Yeah, when her and her ex husband's blake, he got
- 33:58Speaker 7: mad and he went and told her family about me.
- 34:03Speaker 1: Doesn't matter. Were you guys having an affair?
- 34:05Speaker 8: No?
- 34:06Speaker 1: So, how what is he why? I'm confused? Why was
- 34:10Speaker 1: he even in the picture? Just a jealous ex?
- 34:13Speaker 8: Yeah?
- 34:14Speaker 5: But if you weren't in the picture, then how did
- 34:15Speaker 5: he know about her? How do you already know about
- 34:17Speaker 5: this story before.
- 34:18Speaker 1: I started dating?
- 34:18Speaker 2: And then he was like, well, I'm still bitter about this.
- 34:20Speaker 2: Oh so he because I'm in Ontario with nothing else
- 34:23Speaker 2: to do, I know what I'll do. I'll fuck up
- 34:26Speaker 2: her life because she left me. It didn't work. I
- 34:29Speaker 2: had a micro penis.
- 34:31Speaker 5: And are they they're nice to you other than what
- 34:34Speaker 5: you're talking about, Like, is it civil when you see them?
- 34:37Speaker 8: Yes, it is civil.
- 34:39Speaker 7: It's just the fact that I know the things that
- 34:42Speaker 7: have been said, And I guess that's just the bitter
- 34:47Speaker 7: aspect of it, where it's like you've never apologized. But
- 34:51Speaker 7: it's also I shouldn't have to carry that, I guess.
- 34:55Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 34:56Speaker 5: No, I mean I always have a different kind of
- 34:59Speaker 5: feeling about this day to day. But I just feel like,
- 35:03Speaker 5: as long as you can be civil with each other.
- 35:05Speaker 5: It's kind of an opportunity to demonstrate love and kindness.
- 35:08Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and to just.
- 35:10Speaker 5: Be like this great person in their lives and show
- 35:14Speaker 5: all your great qualities and not judge them for their ignorance.
- 35:17Speaker 1: That's right, you know what I mean?
- 35:19Speaker 5: Because I think you can get a lot farther by
- 35:22Speaker 5: that with that attitude, I am always like, fuck off,
- 35:25Speaker 5: shut it down.
- 35:25Speaker 1: If someone is an asshole, then fire.
- 35:27Speaker 5: But if they're not being abusive to you, if they're
- 35:30Speaker 5: not being nasty to you to your face anyway, who
- 35:33Speaker 5: cares what they say behind your back? That's really not
- 35:35Speaker 5: your business anyway, you know what I mean.
- 35:37Speaker 2: That's on them, I think because it's easy for us
- 35:40Speaker 2: as like heterosexual people to be like whatever, big deal,
- 35:42Speaker 2: But like you also carry whatever comes along with being
- 35:45Speaker 2: trans and what you think the world thinks of that
- 35:47Speaker 2: and the way that you either are treated or perceive
- 35:50Speaker 2: that you're being treated like, there's a weight to that.
- 35:52Speaker 6: If someone says anything to you, you're always.
- 35:54Speaker 2: Going to be wondering, is it because I'm trans in
- 35:56Speaker 2: the way that we're like, is it because I'm a woman?
- 35:58Speaker 2: Is it because of my color? Is it because of
- 35:59Speaker 2: this whatever? We all have that, and I think you're
- 36:02Speaker 2: absolutely right. It's your chance to show them all the
- 36:06Speaker 2: kindness and love that the queer, trans whatever community always preaches.
- 36:11Speaker 2: And it definitely hurts, it hurts your feelings, but you
- 36:15Speaker 2: want them to feel so bad that they weren't the kind,
- 36:18Speaker 2: loving Christians that they talk about. When you leave, you
- 36:22Speaker 2: want to be and you don't have to be fake,
- 36:24Speaker 2: but you don't let them take away who you actually are.
- 36:28Speaker 2: Don't let them decide for you that you are all
- 36:31Speaker 2: the awful things that they've decided you are or trans
- 36:34Speaker 2: people are, and you just keep demonstrating it. And if
- 36:37Speaker 2: they want to be man enough to say it to you,
- 36:39Speaker 2: then you can have that conversation. But I think a
- 36:41Speaker 2: lot of times we come at people with very charged
- 36:44Speaker 2: with anger when they have an idea about who we are,
- 36:47Speaker 2: and then we end up proving that. And this is
- 36:50Speaker 2: a chance to sort of deflate some of that ignorance.
- 36:54Speaker 1: Like prove them wrong.
- 36:54Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, I mean, what do they think they just
- 36:57Speaker 2: the knock is that you used to be a woman
- 37:00Speaker 2: with their daughter. That's the knock. It's not that you're
- 37:03Speaker 2: a bad person. They can and they can't handle that.
- 37:06Speaker 2: It is a foreign concept, like gay we've all sort
- 37:09Speaker 2: of wrapped our minds around, but it is if you
- 37:11Speaker 2: consider where they're coming from, Like, that's a lot to
- 37:13Speaker 2: take on. You are probably the only trans person they know.
- 37:16Speaker 1: I was, yeah, oh is there another? Is your wife? Now? Trans?
- 37:21Speaker 7: What a plot twist? No, it's just this small community
- 37:27Speaker 7: that they live in. There's others that have come out
- 37:30Speaker 7: of the woodworks. I guess you could say, since you know,
- 37:33Speaker 7: if we live in the woodworks. But yeah, I'm still
- 37:36Speaker 7: like the only one they personally know though, this.
- 37:39Speaker 1: Is the only one sucking their daughter.
- 37:40Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, so that you know, of you, I
- 37:43Speaker 6: sure hope.
- 37:44Speaker 2: So this is your chance for them to be like,
- 37:48Speaker 2: I know my son in law's trans and he's great. Yes,
- 37:50Speaker 2: we token is we do with everyone. We're like, well,
- 37:52Speaker 2: I've got a Filipino friend. She seems cool, so they
- 37:54Speaker 2: all must be. I've got a Jewish friend and they
- 37:56Speaker 2: don't seem awful. They all must be. This is your
- 37:59Speaker 2: chance to like show up and be like, look out, fuckings,
- 38:02Speaker 2: don't worry.
- 38:02Speaker 1: Yeah, and just right like rise above that. You know
- 38:05Speaker 1: what I mean. Their problems are not your problems.
- 38:08Speaker 5: You should just It's like almost like anything, any feelings
- 38:12Speaker 5: or opinions they have about you is just not even part.
- 38:15Speaker 1: Of who you are, has nothing to do with if
- 38:17Speaker 1: you want to move through the.
- 38:17Speaker 5: World and move through your relationship with them just as
- 38:21Speaker 5: like a nice beacon of light, as like a joyful
- 38:23Speaker 5: reprieve from the rest of their life, so that they're
- 38:26Speaker 5: slowly understanding that you're just like anybody else, that you're
- 38:30Speaker 5: a real person with real feelings and real emotions and
- 38:34Speaker 5: without an agenda, you know what I mean. But really
- 38:37Speaker 5: don't get stuck on what they're saying or what their
- 38:39Speaker 5: attitudes are, as long as it's not hurtful or sorry
- 38:43Speaker 5: not maybe it's hurtful, of course, but you know, as
- 38:45Speaker 5: long as it's not abusive or they're treating you in
- 38:49Speaker 5: an unkind way, just keep pushing through, because I think
- 38:52Speaker 5: you should carry with you like you're speaking for lots.
- 38:56Speaker 1: Of trans people.
- 38:57Speaker 5: You know, your interactions with them or emblematic of all
- 39:01Speaker 5: the trans people.
- 39:02Speaker 1: In your community. So unfortunately, keep that in mind.
- 39:06Speaker 5: But I find that rather than having that be some
- 39:08Speaker 5: sort of onus, though it kind of gives you a
- 39:10Speaker 5: sense of purpose.
- 39:12Speaker 2: It's but by the way, you don't have to do
- 39:13Speaker 2: anything extra. But you're their son in law. You know
- 39:16Speaker 2: what son in laws do. They call up they're like, hey,
- 39:18Speaker 2: you need to borrow a ladder. Like you're their son
- 39:20Speaker 2: in law. So like, and the good news is you
- 39:22Speaker 2: don't have to worry about anything because like, men don't
- 39:24Speaker 2: do anything.
- 39:24Speaker 1: Do you have a ladder?
- 39:26Speaker 8: I have a step ladder.
- 39:28Speaker 1: No, you're a brown man, Go get you a ladder.
- 39:30Speaker 1: I think you need to get a real ladder.
- 39:32Speaker 8: I just so I don't need ladder.
- 39:35Speaker 5: Okay, well, then hire someone to bring them a ladder.
- 39:37Speaker 5: I think that's what Eliza's saying.
- 39:39Speaker 2: Or next time you go to the house, start knocking
- 39:40Speaker 2: on studs and be like, this is a solid wall.
- 39:43Speaker 2: Just start trying to fix things in their house, Be like,
- 39:45Speaker 2: can we readjust this door, bring a level, just start
- 39:50Speaker 2: seeing if everything's just start critiquing all the masculine stuff.
- 39:53Speaker 3: And then you take the stud finder and you put
- 39:55Speaker 3: it to your own chest and you're like, found.
- 39:56Speaker 7: Well that's literally what I can do.
- 40:00Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean that's one step in the right direction.
- 40:05Speaker 5: Yeah, are you guys, I have a question for you.
- 40:07Speaker 5: Are you guys affectionate in front of her family?
- 40:09Speaker 8: We don't hide it.
- 40:10Speaker 7: We don't like make it something that we try to
- 40:14Speaker 7: hide or flaunt it and like we're not trying to
- 40:16Speaker 7: do something that's not us.
- 40:18Speaker 6: At the same time, this holiday season, it's time to
- 40:20Speaker 6: amp it up.
- 40:21Speaker 1: And the holidays are right around the corner because we're
- 40:23Speaker 1: in March.
- 40:24Speaker 2: Yeah, so time to prepare a lot of caressing, a
- 40:30Speaker 2: lot of neck kissing.
- 40:32Speaker 1: Just let him know on the ladder. You want to
- 40:34Speaker 1: do all of this on the ladder.
- 40:36Speaker 7: While critiquing everything.
- 40:37Speaker 1: Right, yes, yeah, just be a man.
- 40:40Speaker 5: But you know what we're saying, right, You got what
- 40:42Speaker 5: we're saying, Blake.
- 40:43Speaker 8: With all of.
- 40:44Speaker 7: The toxic masculine going around on the news right now,
- 40:46Speaker 7: I think I can convey.
- 40:48Speaker 5: Some of that.
- 40:49Speaker 1: Thank you. That's what this is the answer. Want make
- 40:53Speaker 1: Ontario great again.
- 40:55Speaker 7: You know what, Canada might be the best state if
- 40:59Speaker 7: it happens.
- 40:59Speaker 6: Guys, welcome, Welcome number fifty one.
- 41:03Speaker 8: Don't worry.
- 41:04Speaker 7: Chelsea already has a place here, so it's not even
- 41:06Speaker 7: like she really has to do.
- 41:07Speaker 5: It's not like I'm even emmigrating. I'm just like going
- 41:10Speaker 5: from the Canadian passport. I don't I have a house
- 41:13Speaker 5: in Whistler, Canada, but I don't have a pass if.
- 41:15Speaker 1: She won't need one.
- 41:16Speaker 5: But I am marry yeah if I have to, but
- 41:18Speaker 5: I don't need to marry a Canadian.
- 41:20Speaker 7: No.
- 41:20Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 41:20Speaker 5: Everyone was always like before the election was like, oh,
- 41:23Speaker 5: you could just move to Canada. I'm like, I have
- 41:24Speaker 5: a feeling he probably thinks he's getting to invade Canada
- 41:28Speaker 5: and take Canada over.
- 41:29Speaker 1: Like Canada is not far enough away.
- 41:32Speaker 7: I don't think he can get that can up north.
- 41:36Speaker 6: You get it here.
- 41:36Speaker 1: It's a little tan, it's from a.
- 41:38Speaker 8: Bottle, That's what I mean.
- 41:39Speaker 7: But we don't sell it here, so.
- 41:41Speaker 8: I don't know.
- 41:41Speaker 2: Well, especially if it's American maid, you won't be RP
- 41:43Speaker 2: Tito's Vodko.
- 41:45Speaker 5: Sorry about that anyway, Blake, good luck with everything.
- 41:48Speaker 8: Congrats, thank you so much.
- 41:50Speaker 1: Congrats on your relationship.
- 41:51Speaker 5: And I think you're gonna I think you're actually gonna
- 41:54Speaker 5: be a great example for your in laws and that
- 41:56Speaker 5: whole family to you know, open minds and expand horizons.
- 42:01Speaker 8: Well, thank you. I appreciate everything.
- 42:03Speaker 5: Guys. Okay, thanks Mike. It was just taking a bite
- 42:07Speaker 5: of that. It was like calling my name, all.
- 42:09Speaker 1: Right, onto our next Blake. Oh, this is Blake.
- 42:11Speaker 3: Back to back black, back to back Blakes. So our
- 42:15Speaker 3: next Blake is twenty eight. He's here in La. He says,
- 42:19Speaker 3: Dear Chelsea, I need some big sister energy, and who
- 42:22Speaker 3: better than you. After over a decade of producing unscripted
- 42:25Speaker 3: content spanning editorial TV commercials, presidential campaigns, and the wild
- 42:30Speaker 3: West of social media, I'm ready for a change. I've
- 42:33Speaker 3: worked for iconic brands across the Conde Nash portfolio, produced
- 42:37Speaker 3: for Hillary Clinton and Stacy Abrams, and even helped Applebee's
- 42:40Speaker 3: snag a can Lions.
- 42:42Speaker 1: Fancas LinkedIn bio. Seriously, I mean, you know to backbar.
- 42:48Speaker 3: But despite all this, I've hit a wall of unfulfillment.
- 42:51Speaker 3: After layoff in NYC, I moved back to LA and
- 42:54Speaker 3: landed a job in programming management at a live streaming giant.
- 42:58Speaker 3: While I'm grateful, I've realized I want to return to
- 43:00Speaker 3: my first love, producing, specifically in scripted TV. Qua Mentor's advice,
- 43:05Speaker 3: if you can't find the project, create it. So I
- 43:08Speaker 3: started writing work that began as a cathartic way to
- 43:11Speaker 3: process a breakup. Yes, I Taylor swifted the shit out
- 43:13Speaker 3: of it and reflect on chaotic work situationships. Imagine a
- 43:17Speaker 3: flirtatious gay CEO in advertising harder than it sounds, has
- 43:22Speaker 3: turned into something I'm genuinely proud of. I've drafted two stories,
- 43:25Speaker 3: one rooted in rogate emotions, the other dripping in jewey
- 43:28Speaker 3: high camp, and I've shocked myself by how much I
- 43:31Speaker 3: love this creative outlet.
- 43:33Speaker 1: Here's where I need your advice.
- 43:34Speaker 3: I feel this poll to pursue writing and producing scripted
- 43:37Speaker 3: TV full time, but the thought of freelancing and giving
- 43:40Speaker 3: up financial stability Hello student loans terrifies me. Everyone in
- 43:44Speaker 3: LA seems to have advice, but now I'm stuck in
- 43:46Speaker 3: analysis paralysis. How do I take the next right sized
- 43:50Speaker 3: step toward a career I'm passionate about without losing myself
- 43:53Speaker 3: in the process. How do I balance humility, creative ambition,
- 43:57Speaker 3: and the rent checks with love and kindness?
- 44:00Speaker 6: Blake?
- 44:00Speaker 1: Hi Blake? Hello, Hello, Hi Blake Blake.
- 44:04Speaker 5: Eliza, do you want to take this? This is our
- 44:06Speaker 5: special guest Eliza Slessinger.
- 44:08Speaker 8: Hello, Hello, I'm very familiar.
- 44:11Speaker 1: Was that good?
- 44:12Speaker 8: No, in a good way? In a very good way.
- 44:14Speaker 2: I mean, I am no stranger to the analysis paralysis,
- 44:19Speaker 2: but also the actual act of putting one foot in
- 44:22Speaker 2: front of the other. And it's tough because you got
- 44:25Speaker 2: a taste of normalcy with a steady paycheck, and.
- 44:29Speaker 6: You're like, oh, look, how cozy this is.
- 44:31Speaker 2: If you were just an artist from the start and
- 44:33Speaker 2: you were used to flying by the seat of your pants,
- 44:35Speaker 2: then that would be very comfortable for you. I am that,
- 44:37Speaker 2: Like I am a freelance person, right, these are the
- 44:40Speaker 2: things that I do. I don't have that backup job.
- 44:42Speaker 2: The answer is, you're just going to have to do both.
- 44:46Speaker 2: You're just going to have to be exhausted. And the
- 44:48Speaker 2: question that I can't answer for you is will you
- 44:51Speaker 2: be okay being not artistically fulfilled in this life if
- 44:56Speaker 2: your creature comforts outweigh that some people are. For me,
- 45:00Speaker 2: it is paramount, But some people can live that way.
- 45:05Speaker 2: And are you willing to keep that job so you
- 45:07Speaker 2: can keep your lights on and then just write at
- 45:09Speaker 2: night and just hustle and have two jobs until one
- 45:12Speaker 2: edges out.
- 45:12Speaker 9: The other short answer is yeah. So, like for me,
- 45:15Speaker 9: I originally moved away from LA to go to New
- 45:18Speaker 9: York because I at my core am a hustler. And
- 45:21Speaker 9: so while I was doing a lot of those other projects,
- 45:25Speaker 9: like I always had a full time job, and like
- 45:27Speaker 9: I was able to freelance and sort of navigate it.
- 45:30Speaker 9: And what happened to me is I got a job
- 45:33Speaker 9: and got a really nice salary. I was still living
- 45:36Speaker 9: paycheck to paycheck at the time because New York was
- 45:38Speaker 9: just crazy, but I didn't freelance anymore. And then when
- 45:42Speaker 9: I had the layoff happen, it just shook everything up
- 45:45Speaker 9: and terrified me. And now I'm back in a place
- 45:48Speaker 9: where I have a full time job again. I came
- 45:50Speaker 9: back to LA and I'm really sort of leaning into
- 45:54Speaker 9: this creative outlet that I really love, but I don't
- 45:58Speaker 9: have side hustles, and that's kind of where I'm like,
- 46:02Speaker 9: I know I need to get back into the side hustles,
- 46:04Speaker 9: but sort of writing has taken the spot of what
- 46:07Speaker 9: that would be because I'm doing it at night.
- 46:09Speaker 8: I'm doing it on my lunch breaks at my full
- 46:11Speaker 8: time job.
- 46:12Speaker 2: Is it you're writing a scripted show. There's only two
- 46:14Speaker 2: scripted shows.
- 46:15Speaker 8: Yeah, two scripted shows right now.
- 46:17Speaker 2: Well, all you have to do is create those and
- 46:19Speaker 2: then it's about just getting somebody to read it. Like,
- 46:22Speaker 2: you're not a showrunner, you're not producing these things. So
- 46:25Speaker 2: if you've done that, the next step is connecting it
- 46:28Speaker 2: to the right people, and then the idea is that
- 46:31Speaker 2: that gets made so you can leave your other job.
- 46:33Speaker 6: But it sounds like you're already doing both of them.
- 46:35Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what I'm getting from you.
- 46:37Speaker 5: You're doing all of it, and I mean I think
- 46:39Speaker 5: you're looking for like a way out of doing all
- 46:42Speaker 5: of it together, like some sort of jackpot.
- 46:44Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is that you do have
- 46:46Speaker 1: to fucking hustle.
- 46:47Speaker 5: You do, and it's brutal sometimes, but like it is
- 46:50Speaker 5: a means to an end, it does pay off. So
- 46:53Speaker 5: while it might not be like the most glamorous part
- 46:56Speaker 5: of your life right now, it deserves your focus and
- 46:59Speaker 5: attention so that it can become your source of income
- 47:02Speaker 5: as well.
- 47:02Speaker 2: But also, I mean, yes, and it has to be
- 47:06Speaker 2: something that like, and it sounds like it is like
- 47:08Speaker 2: you can't live without it. Like I wrote a movie
- 47:12Speaker 2: that's on Netflix called Good on Paper, and that movie
- 47:14Speaker 2: is something that I wrote every time I didn't get
- 47:17Speaker 2: the audition, every time I had an off night and
- 47:20Speaker 2: I didn't have sets when I could have been going
- 47:22Speaker 2: out but I didn't, like, I always returned to that document.
- 47:25Speaker 2: And the good news is you have that fire in you.
- 47:28Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you right now. And it seems
- 47:30Speaker 2: to happen for everyone but me. There is no moment
- 47:33Speaker 2: where they knock and they're like, hey, we're making it.
- 47:36Speaker 2: You will submit this, Hey, we'll read it next week. Okay,
- 47:39Speaker 2: it's in three weeks. Oh the executive got sick. Oh
- 47:42Speaker 2: she had a baby, and then they'll pick it up.
- 47:44Speaker 2: But we're gonna do it in the summer. Okay, Well,
- 47:46Speaker 2: it's actually gonna be for digital.
- 47:47Speaker 1: Like you have to.
- 47:48Speaker 2: Become so accustomed to just eating shit for breakfast, because
- 47:52Speaker 2: these things take forever. I just took a blind script
- 47:56Speaker 2: deal with a major network that took eight months. I'm sorry,
- 47:59Speaker 2: I didn't take eight months to even get the deal,
- 48:01Speaker 2: and in the end we didn't take it because it
- 48:03Speaker 2: was so about eight months just to make a deal
- 48:06Speaker 2: for a show I hadn't created.
- 48:07Speaker 1: So I'm just letting make a deal for a show
- 48:09Speaker 1: you had not created, hadn't created.
- 48:11Speaker 2: It was a blind script deal, and in the end
- 48:12Speaker 2: we didn't take it. It is such a slog So you
- 48:15Speaker 2: have to be so in love with your characters and
- 48:18Speaker 2: your process, and then you have to be okay with
- 48:20Speaker 2: them dying when someone buys this and it sits on
- 48:22Speaker 2: a shelf.
- 48:23Speaker 1: You have to love the process so much.
- 48:25Speaker 9: Yeah, And that's kind of where I think I felt
- 48:28Speaker 9: inspired to write in because like, I, actually I'm loving
- 48:31Speaker 9: this process. I never thought like I wanted to get
- 48:33Speaker 9: into scripted, but that was kind of elusive. And then
- 48:36Speaker 9: I had a mentor to just be like, then just
- 48:38Speaker 9: go write it, and it seems so simple, and I
- 48:41Speaker 9: actually fell in love with the writing process and it
- 48:44Speaker 9: became really great. And then you know, I was so
- 48:46Speaker 9: consumed by one project that I started another, And now
- 48:49Speaker 9: I have these two projects that are just kind of
- 48:51Speaker 9: building and it's been really fun and exciting, but you know,
- 48:55Speaker 9: I do kind of want to pivot into this and
- 48:57Speaker 9: it sort of became like this thing of fear where
- 48:59Speaker 9: I'm like, oh, I actually have to like now continue
- 49:02Speaker 9: to push this onward and stuff. But I think the
- 49:06Speaker 9: fear is sort of coming from like feeling like I'm
- 49:09Speaker 9: being consumed by just making it all happen and doing
- 49:12Speaker 9: the hustle and doing everything, which isn't something that I'm
- 49:15Speaker 9: necessarily foreign to.
- 49:17Speaker 1: It's not it doesn't sound like fear to me.
- 49:19Speaker 2: It sounds like anxiety because you're wanting it all to
- 49:23Speaker 2: happen and I get it like all at once right now,
- 49:25Speaker 2: But there's actually very little to be done once you've
- 49:28Speaker 2: written it, and it's going to be sending these emails
- 49:31Speaker 2: like there's actually nothing to fear here because nothing is happening.
- 49:35Speaker 6: You don't have to leave that job yet. What you
- 49:37Speaker 6: are is bored.
- 49:38Speaker 2: You're like, I'm ready to go, and this industry is
- 49:41Speaker 2: moved so slowly.
- 49:42Speaker 6: So the hardest thing to do is nothing. And that's
- 49:45Speaker 6: what's happening right now.
- 49:46Speaker 2: You've got to go to work, polish your draft, make
- 49:48Speaker 2: sure that when it's sent, it's the best version. Don't
- 49:51Speaker 2: just fire it off. And I'm the worst at that,
- 49:53Speaker 2: Like I will send a network draft with typos like
- 49:55Speaker 2: I don't even I didn't prove read my college essays.
- 49:58Speaker 2: It's just slow. And that's the hardest part is remembering
- 50:01Speaker 2: to live your life while your dreams like slowly start
- 50:05Speaker 2: to take off.
- 50:06Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 50:07Speaker 3: Sean Hayes once gave a piece of advice that was
- 50:10Speaker 3: like he for himself when he was coming up. He said,
- 50:13Speaker 3: and I think he actually still does this, but do
- 50:15Speaker 3: one thing every day that's like toward the career you
- 50:18Speaker 3: want to have. So like you feel like oh, I
- 50:20Speaker 3: got to be taking meaning is I gotta be doing
- 50:21Speaker 3: doing all these things. Even if every day you do
- 50:23Speaker 3: one thing that's advancing your career or one contact, you're
- 50:27Speaker 3: still making progress.
- 50:29Speaker 2: The biggest mistake you can make is thinking other people
- 50:32Speaker 2: are working for you, and then you find out that
- 50:35Speaker 2: they're not read the trades. Find the executive at the streamer,
- 50:38Speaker 2: what's your dream network? How do you get to that person?
- 50:41Speaker 2: Who can you befriend that could read that? Do you
- 50:43Speaker 2: have a rep?
- 50:44Speaker 1: Do you have reps?
- 50:45Speaker 8: No? I don't.
- 50:45Speaker 1: That's the other you got to get that rep.
- 50:47Speaker 9: I've always been in house, Like when I was at Conde,
- 50:49Speaker 9: I was in house and advertising and so like when
- 50:53Speaker 9: I was freelance saying, it was just me getting tapped
- 50:55Speaker 9: by people within my network.
- 50:57Speaker 8: But I've never had a REP.
- 50:58Speaker 9: And I got invite earlier on that was sort of like,
- 51:01Speaker 9: you know, you don't really need a REP if you
- 51:03Speaker 9: don't have anything to be wrapped. But now I'm sort
- 51:05Speaker 9: of at a spot where I'm like, is this the
- 51:08Speaker 9: tipping point or do I need to actually get get now?
- 51:10Speaker 5: This is how you get representation with the material that
- 51:12Speaker 5: you have. The material written is so far and there
- 51:15Speaker 5: is something that separates people who succeed in this business
- 51:17Speaker 5: and people that don't. And I think you're at the
- 51:20Speaker 5: crescendo of that, or at the tipping point of that.
- 51:23Speaker 5: I should say, you got to just keep fucking chugging away.
- 51:26Speaker 5: Like it is hard, it is arduous, it's all of
- 51:29Speaker 5: those things. But that's what separates people from being successful in.
- 51:32Speaker 1: This industry and people who aren't is.
- 51:35Speaker 5: The people that give up at this point or it's.
- 51:37Speaker 1: Like overwhelmed, or I don't know what to do next.
- 51:39Speaker 1: It's like no one's coming to save you.
- 51:41Speaker 6: Yeah, what's your next step?
- 51:43Speaker 1: You have two scripts?
- 51:44Speaker 8: So I have two concepts. I'm starting to script them
- 51:46Speaker 8: right now.
- 51:47Speaker 1: Because some people won't want you to do that.
- 51:49Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with having a script in your back pocket,
- 51:52Speaker 2: and you need a concept is very hard to sell
- 51:55Speaker 2: if it's not packaged.
- 51:56Speaker 1: So right now, it's just you.
- 51:58Speaker 2: If you were if you walked in and you're like,
- 52:00Speaker 2: I've got these three pieces of talent attached and someone
- 52:02Speaker 2: loves it. Nobody wants that have that script, and maybe
- 52:05Speaker 2: you show it to maybe you don't, but at least
- 52:07Speaker 2: you can show it to your rep.
- 52:08Speaker 6: Like you need proof of concept.
- 52:10Speaker 9: If it's a scripted No, it is scripted for sure.
- 52:14Speaker 9: One of the thriller drama. One of them is the
- 52:16Speaker 9: drama d so.
- 52:17Speaker 1: I think they're hour long.
- 52:18Speaker 8: Both of them are eight episodes one hour each per season.
- 52:21Speaker 6: Not only do you need the script, I mean you can.
- 52:23Speaker 6: You can do a pitch.
- 52:24Speaker 2: Some people for a pitch, but this pitch needs to
- 52:26Speaker 2: be like you need a one sheet, you need a
- 52:29Speaker 2: pitch deck, and you need these things to be like grabbable.
- 52:31Speaker 2: And I would ask someone you know who's a writer
- 52:34Speaker 2: for other examples of a pitch deck. Unless you already
- 52:37Speaker 2: have that. It's the hardest part. I always find it's
- 52:39Speaker 2: easier to just write the script. I hate pitching. It's
- 52:42Speaker 2: a great way to have people tell you to fuck off.
- 52:45Speaker 2: But you should be writing the script. Were you planning
- 52:47Speaker 2: on writing it?
- 52:48Speaker 8: Yeah, I was planning on writing it.
- 52:49Speaker 9: I sort of was getting into like putting the pitch
- 52:52Speaker 9: material and series bible together, and then I've been getting
- 52:56Speaker 9: feedback and people are like, oh, you sort of just
- 52:58Speaker 9: need more of a script this as well.
- 53:00Speaker 2: You should just write the script because it is in
- 53:02Speaker 2: that script that you will find all the problems. Have
- 53:04Speaker 2: people read it, have people you trust not your friend.
- 53:07Speaker 2: But like real writers, read it, rewrite it, rewrite it,
- 53:10Speaker 2: get it to a place where you think it's bulletproof,
- 53:12Speaker 2: then give it to your rep who will give you
- 53:15Speaker 2: their critiques, and then you go from there. But you
- 53:18Speaker 2: got to you have to actually write it. Otherwise you're
- 53:20Speaker 2: just a person who says that they're a writer.
- 53:22Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 53:22Speaker 9: I don't call myself a writer, if any I know,
- 53:24Speaker 9: I'm a producer, and I think that's been like the
- 53:25Speaker 9: other hesitation is like I've done producaying, I've directed a
- 53:29Speaker 9: little bit, but like writing is like very I haven't
- 53:32Speaker 9: done it since college, and like this is like actually
- 53:35Speaker 9: something that I'm finding them falling in love with.
- 53:38Speaker 1: Enjoy it, enjoy falling in love with it. Thank god
- 53:40Speaker 1: Eliza was here today. She's giving you great advice.
- 53:43Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't tell you that I've read Saved the
- 53:45Speaker 2: Cat in a long time their Screenwriter podcast. Like, write
- 53:48Speaker 2: it and then you'll rewrite it and then step away
- 53:52Speaker 2: write it again. Then you can get your agent can't
- 53:55Speaker 2: represent you unless they have something to actually read. Otherwise
- 53:59Speaker 2: it's just like a fun concept. Nobody really wants to
- 54:00Speaker 2: read a Bible. That's fair enough, any kind of Bible heard.
- 54:06Speaker 8: He herd.
- 54:07Speaker 5: Okay, well thanks for calling in. I mean that's some
- 54:10Speaker 5: good advice. So good luck with everything, beautiful.
- 54:13Speaker 8: Thank you all so much.
- 54:14Speaker 3: Check back in in like six months, Blake, Okay, yeah,
- 54:16Speaker 3: let us.
- 54:16Speaker 2: Know how you're doing from your mansion after you sold
- 54:19Speaker 2: the show.
- 54:20Speaker 1: And I'm jealous.
- 54:21Speaker 8: I wish so awesome. Thank you all so much. I
- 54:23Speaker 8: appreciate it.
- 54:24Speaker 1: Bye bye bye. It's such a it's such a brutal.
- 54:30Speaker 5: I'm like with career stuff, I'm like, I don't fucking
- 54:33Speaker 5: know what to tell you. I don't really know. Let's
- 54:35Speaker 5: put one foot front of it. Like all I can
- 54:37Speaker 5: say is hustle, hustle, hustle. But it's like that was
- 54:40Speaker 5: good too because it got into specifics.
- 54:41Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and it's like it's a super granular thing.
- 54:44Speaker 2: But like that's what's so great about stand up is
- 54:46Speaker 2: like just go up, just go You don't need someone
- 54:49Speaker 2: to okay it, No one has to, Like you can
- 54:50Speaker 2: just you can create it every night. The writing is tough,
- 54:53Speaker 2: but plenty of show creators like we're like Mark Platt
- 54:57Speaker 2: was like a lawyer and then he created shows. Like
- 55:01Speaker 2: a lot of people just start as something else and
- 55:03Speaker 2: just move into writing so it can be done.
- 55:06Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just hard. Let's take a quick break and
- 55:09Speaker 1: I have a little wrap up question.
- 55:10Speaker 5: Great, we'll be right back with Eliza. I keep saying, Blessinger.
- 55:15Speaker 5: We'll be right back with Eliza Schlessinger.
- 55:17Speaker 1: Is hands blessing ger?
- 55:19Speaker 7: Is it?
- 55:20Speaker 1: Girl? Yeah? I've been saying Eliza Slessinger.
- 55:23Speaker 8: I know.
- 55:23Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Everybody does.
- 55:25Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's Eliza Slessinger. Everybody, it's Eliza Schlessinger.
- 55:30Speaker 1: There you go.
- 55:31Speaker 5: Now you're Jewish Eliza Schlessinger.
- 55:33Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Isn't it so much better that way? Yeah?
- 55:36Speaker 5: It is Schlessing jer Nope, test and we're back with
- 55:47Speaker 5: Eliza schlessen Ger.
- 55:49Speaker 1: There you go.
- 55:50Speaker 6: That's totally the way to do it, with a pause
- 55:51Speaker 6: in the middle.
- 55:52Speaker 1: I like it like a hyphen emphasis. Yeah, not an
- 55:55Speaker 1: umlaut a hyphen. I wish. I wish I came from
- 55:58Speaker 1: a culture that anti umloud. Oh we are I think so,
- 56:01Speaker 1: I don't know. We love getting canceled.
- 56:03Speaker 3: This writer says, Dear Chelsea, my ninety seven year old
- 56:07Speaker 3: neighbor of six years who is thriving, calls me Kimberly.
- 56:11Speaker 3: My name is Kendall. Do I tell her xoxo, Kendall.
- 56:15Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, just tell her your name is
- 56:18Speaker 5: Eliza Schlessinger.
- 56:19Speaker 1: And she'll have an aneurysm trying to pronounce it.
- 56:22Speaker 3: No.
- 56:22Speaker 5: I love that she calls you the wrong name. That's fun,
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- 56:26Speaker 1: Yeah, what's to be gained?
- 56:28Speaker 6: How much longer could she possibly be calling you by
- 56:31Speaker 6: this name?
- 56:33Speaker 1: Okay, Eliza?
- 56:34Speaker 5: Everybody can watch Eliza Schlessinger's news special. It's on Amazon Prime, okay,
- 56:40Speaker 5: and it's called a Different Animal. And if you need
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- 56:46Speaker 1: Are you still on Facebook? Probably? I mean I only
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- 56:50Speaker 6: I don't have my password. Can I plug my podcast?
- 56:53Speaker 2: Because it's absolutely producer and co hosts always like you
- 56:56Speaker 2: need to tell people you have a podcast. It's called
- 56:58Speaker 2: Ask Eliza Anything. And the time this comes out, we
- 57:01Speaker 2: will have our new home on Lemonada, and I do
- 57:04Speaker 2: what we do here is I the audience is the guest.
- 57:07Speaker 2: So we do we have life advice?
- 57:09Speaker 1: Perfect? Oh god, how funny? Yeah? So Askalize Anything? Okay,
- 57:13Speaker 1: out love it? Thank you Eliza, thanks for having me. Chlsea,
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