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JUSTICE FOR SADE ROBINSON: DISMEMBERED AFTER DATE WITH WRONG MAN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace bombshell in the courtroom. A
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Speaker 1: man just found guilty of murdering and dismembering a beautiful
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Speaker 1: teen girl saw Dave Robinson after their first date in Milwaukee.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. A Milwaukee man just
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Speaker 1: found guilty of murdering and dismembering a teen girl college
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Speaker 1: student the night of their first date. Maxwell Anderson charged
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Speaker 1: with first degree intentional homicide. Grew up with a silver
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Speaker 1: spoon in his mouth. Now guilty of intentional homicide, dismembering
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Speaker 1: a corpse, arson high, and hiding a corpse in connection
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Speaker 1: with the death of this incredibly beautiful young girl. The
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Speaker 1: jury convicts on all four counts we learned during the trial.
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Speaker 1: Investigators believe Anderson murdered Sowday on their very first date,
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Speaker 1: dismembered her, and spread her remains all around Milwaukee County.
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Speaker 1: Saday last seen alive in Anderson's home. What more do
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Speaker 1: we know about the facts.
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Speaker 2: Shade's right leg, left foot, torso, and one of her
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Speaker 2: arms were found scattered around Milwaukee more than a month
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Speaker 2: after her death. A second arm washed up on a
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Speaker 2: Wakegan Illinois Beach. It has now been confirmed as Shade's
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Speaker 2: through DNA testing. Shade's head and right leg are still missing,
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Speaker 2: preventing her family from laying her to rest.
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Speaker 1: They can't even have a funeral because they don't have
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Speaker 1: all of their daughter. We learn that LA law enforcement
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Speaker 1: is honing in on dating apps. I mean, if dating
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Speaker 1: apps had anything to do with this teen girl's murder
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Speaker 1: and dismemberment, then they need to be outlawed. I don't
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Speaker 1: like saying that, but how many cases do we hear
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Speaker 1: about where women, young ladies, teen girls like shardago on
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Speaker 1: a date engineered by a dating app and.
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Speaker 3: They're never seen alive again.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a very special guest, a
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Speaker 1: woman I now consider a friend.
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Speaker 3: Sheena Scarborough. This is shaw Dai's mother.
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Speaker 1: How do you keep putting one foot in front of
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Speaker 1: the other?
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Speaker 3: I mean, this girl.
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Speaker 1: Was everything, so smart, had her own little apartment that
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Speaker 1: she paid for by herself, had her own little car,
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Speaker 1: was going to college classes, the whole thing.
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Speaker 4: Oh yes, Nancy, this is so challenging daily I don't
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Speaker 4: know how to get I'm walking and Shutty's spirit and
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Speaker 4: in her grace, I am her voice I have to
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Speaker 4: speak an advocate through her.
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Speaker 5: For others.
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Speaker 3: This is not.
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Speaker 5: Something that just like pulled up. It happened. I don't know.
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Speaker 6: This is a waking nightmare daily every day I wake up.
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Speaker 6: I can't believe what is taking place. I am Shaddy
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Speaker 6: Robinson's mother. This is very ongoingly tragic. My baby was
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Speaker 6: my everything. She's my light, She's my star. She was
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Speaker 6: so amazingly beautiful. Like you stated, she was so independent,
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Speaker 6: so sufficient. She had her whole life ahead of her.
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Speaker 6: She worked two jobs. She was dedicated, she was strong.
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Speaker 6: Two full time jobs the pizza shuttle. She was ranked
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Speaker 6: up to manage her. She started working in the tenth grade,
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Speaker 6: was ongoing, getting promoted dollar raises every six months, so
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Speaker 6: they wanted her to be manager. She worked at the
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Speaker 6: Wisconsin Club part time, the Wisconsin Country Club. She got
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Speaker 6: her little sister a job there. That was her little
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Speaker 6: sister's first job. This has been traumatic and ongoing. She
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Speaker 6: was she was.
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Speaker 5: Scheduled. She did receive her Associate of Ours degree in May. Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Everything has been back to back since.
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Speaker 4: The last time I seen you from the.
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Speaker 5: Maxwell Anderson that hard and hurt my baby.
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Speaker 6: I want that individual and this family held fully accountable.
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Speaker 5: This is unacceptable behavior.
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Speaker 1: Miss Tarborough. I'm seeing you and you have deafinite You're
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Speaker 1: wasting away. You just I can look at you and
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Speaker 1: you have lost so much weight. You're wasting away. How
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Speaker 1: are you managing to go forward?
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Speaker 6: I can't sleep, Nancy, I can't eat.
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Speaker 5: I'm doing ongoing, you know, therapy along with my youngest daughter.
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Speaker 7: I have.
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Speaker 5: Symptoms, physical symptoms.
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Speaker 6: I don't mean to get in death, but I don't
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Speaker 6: share this a lot, but since this has happened, I'm
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Speaker 6: very empathic and I've always been like this. I can
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Speaker 6: literally feel the symptoms of what this person did to
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Speaker 6: my daughter. I literally don't move this physically. It's a
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Speaker 6: lot of different layers of things going on with my
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Speaker 6: physic wealth. I can't describe it, but I don't know.
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Speaker 6: Nancy is through the phase. It is very challenging.
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Speaker 1: Guys joining me in addition to Miss Sheeniscarborough, who is
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Speaker 1: Shawde's mother, who has vowed to be her daughter's voice
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Speaker 1: throughout all of this. We are still on the search
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Speaker 1: for parts of Shade's body, but we are learning that
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Speaker 1: police are focusing now on various dating apps as to
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Speaker 1: how this teen girl met up with a much much
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Speaker 1: older man.
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Speaker 3: The defendant. His dad highly highly successful.
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Speaker 1: His dad has a big local business who employed him
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Speaker 1: briefly before he was let go. Maxwell Anderson, thirty three
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Speaker 1: years old.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what he.
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Speaker 1: Said to her on this dating app to make her
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Speaker 1: think that it was okay to go with him. But
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Speaker 1: we're not only learning about a potential dating app connection,
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Speaker 1: but we're also learning about an alleged CI, a confidential
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Speaker 1: informant that claims this guy, Maxwell Anderson, told him the
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Speaker 1: CI that he was going to lure Shade, take her
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Speaker 1: to the basement, shoot.
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Speaker 3: Her, and dismember her.
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Speaker 1: Now, who the hey knows something like that and does
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Speaker 1: nothing But regarding these newly released warrants, listen.
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Speaker 8: Eight unsealed warrants are giving new insights into the investigation
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Speaker 8: of Shade Robinson's murder. Newly released surveillance images show Shade
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Speaker 8: meeting Anderson at the Twisted Fishermen for their date. The
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Speaker 8: warrants also revealed police or reviewing employment records and surveillance
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Speaker 8: from Victor's nightclub. Anderson reportedly worked at Victory's, a club
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Speaker 8: that one of shaw Day's co workers as they frequented.
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Speaker 8: Investigators are trying to get a determine how Shawday met Anderson.
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Speaker 1: Joining US now investigative reporter and anchor at Fox six Milwaukee, Aaron.
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Speaker 3: Mabon Aarin, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I've got so much evidence is being uncovered right now,
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Speaker 1: specifically as it relates to what we've discovered in those
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Speaker 1: just unsealed search warrants.
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Speaker 3: What have you learned, well.
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Speaker 9: I think the search warrants, it's very clear, Nancy. What
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Speaker 9: the search warrants say is that this was a planned
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Speaker 9: situation according to this informant who came out days after
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Speaker 9: all this kind of was revealed. This person came out
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Speaker 9: afterwards and let investigators know that they went inside Maxwell
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Speaker 9: Anderson's home. They saw three saws in there, they saw
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Speaker 9: tarp in there too, and they had information that this
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Speaker 9: was going to happen. And what's really fascinating, Nancy, is
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Speaker 9: then nothing came out until after the death. What a
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Speaker 9: lot of people find really chilling in these unsealed search
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Speaker 9: warrants too. So you know a lot of people that
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Speaker 9: we talked.
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Speaker 1: About, Wait a minute, let me understand something. Aaron Mayban
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Speaker 1: joining US FO six Milwaukee. So the sea I the
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Speaker 1: friend of the defendant, Maxwell Anderson goes into Anderson's home
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Speaker 1: and he sees all this before shaw Day is murdered.
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Speaker 9: That's what the search warrens say, that this was seen
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Speaker 9: before Shade was murdered, and this CI had information never
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Speaker 9: came forward. Shadday Robinson goes missing. Maxwell Anderson is a
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Speaker 9: prime suspect, and then the CI informs police about what
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Speaker 9: they allegedly saw inside of that home.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're absolutely correct, Aaron Mayban listen.
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Speaker 10: Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
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Speaker 10: his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source.
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Speaker 10: Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
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Speaker 10: friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
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Speaker 10: home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
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Speaker 10: ground that was about five feet long by six foot deep.
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Speaker 10: Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite
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Speaker 10: having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors say
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Speaker 10: the basement in the home had small windows that were
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Speaker 10: always covered so you could not see inside.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: In the Last Days Guilty, A spoiled brat Milwaukee man
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Speaker 1: fed his whole life with a silver spoon guilty convicted
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Speaker 1: in the brutal murder and dismemberment of a gorgeous, brilliant
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Speaker 1: young teen girl, college student, Saudey Robinson. What happened? This
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Speaker 1: so called friend and ci confidental informant knew that all
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Speaker 1: of this was going to happen. Based on what you're
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Speaker 1: learning from the warrants, Aaron Maybin had Shahday, a teen girl,
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Speaker 1: already been targeted as the victim.
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Speaker 9: You know what the warrant looks like, Nancy, is that
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Speaker 9: he planned on killing Shade Robinson according to this search warrant.
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Speaker 9: And again, Maxwell Anderson has not said anything. Attorney not
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Speaker 9: saying a thing either, And that's just you know, what
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Speaker 9: we're reading in here is some pretty chilling stuff. But
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Speaker 9: what's not clear, Nancy, is why exactly she was picked out,
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Speaker 9: why exactly she was targeted, And that's what family is
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Speaker 9: likely wanting to know too.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So from what I'm understanding, he actually targeted Shahday specifically.
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Speaker 3: He wasn't going to lure.
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Speaker 1: A woman, any woman to his home, take her down
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Speaker 1: the stairs into the basement, murder and just remember her.
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Speaker 1: It was shahdaycifically that he wanted.
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Speaker 11: Listen, a friend of Anderson's is now working with law
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Speaker 11: enforcement as a confidential informant. The CI tells investigators in
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Speaker 11: early March, Anderson spoke of a plan to lure Schande
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Speaker 11: Robinson to his home, then forced her into the basement
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Speaker 11: at gunpoint, where he would shoot her, then dismember her
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Speaker 11: body and scatter her remains. The CI says Anderson showed
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Speaker 11: in the basement where Anderson had taped plastic paint protectors
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Speaker 11: to the walls and floor. The CI says there were
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Speaker 11: three saws in the preffed basement.
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Speaker 3: Brian Fitzgibbons help me.
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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, who
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Speaker 1: leads a team of investigators often looking for missing people. Brian,
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Speaker 1: did you hear what? A reporter with Crime Online just
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Speaker 1: stated that the CI talk about a day light and
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Speaker 1: a dollar short. The friend of Anderson's spoke of Anderson's
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Speaker 1: plan to lure shah Day specifically, not.
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Speaker 3: Just I'm going to get a woman and I'm going
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Speaker 3: to do X Y and Z. It was Shahday.
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Speaker 1: He wonted then to quote force her into the basement
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Speaker 1: at gunpoint, where he would shooting and dismember her and
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Speaker 1: scatter the remains, and he had prepped it like.
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Speaker 3: A spider with a fly.
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Speaker 1: Anderson tape plastic paint protectors to the walls and floor.
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Speaker 3: What about it, Nancy?
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Speaker 12: This speaks to the diabolical premeditation that took place here, Okay.
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Speaker 12: And it also speaks to the circles that Anderson was
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Speaker 12: running in the fact that, nearly a month before Shade
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Speaker 12: went missing, this confidential informant knew specifically about Anderson's plans,
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Speaker 12: specifically with her.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 12: So aside from the evidentiary value of this confidential informants
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Speaker 12: witness statement, you need to it adds a tremendous amount
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Speaker 12: of color to the life that Maxwell Anderson was leading.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: See you know what, Fitz Gibbons, you're talking in your
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Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security Code all right, speak, regular people talk.
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Speaker 3: What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: What did you just say about the color in which
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Speaker 1: his environment was painted?
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Speaker 3: What are you saying? I think what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: Let me be so bold as to climb out on
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Speaker 1: a limitar that Look at the people he's consorting with,
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Speaker 1: people that you say, Hey, I'm going to get this girl,
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Speaker 1: this teen girl, shy date.
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Speaker 3: She's gorgeous, she's brilliant.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get her and lure her into my
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Speaker 1: basement at gunpoint, force her down there. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: kill her, and then I'm going to dismember her and
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Speaker 1: leave her body parts around town for people to find.
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Speaker 3: And this guy does nothing.
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Speaker 1: Man, I'd have been on my cell phone as soon
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Speaker 1: as I got clear of that house.
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Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying to Gibbon? Speak English? To me, man,
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Speaker 3: that is exactly what I'm saying.
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Speaker 12: So March fifth, this conversation with the confidential informant and
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Speaker 12: Anderson takes place, and he doesn't come forward for well
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Speaker 12: over a month, and still thirteen days after Shade was missing.
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Speaker 12: You know, this speaks clearly to the type of people
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Speaker 12: that Anderson was associating with.
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Speaker 3: But why her?
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Speaker 1: Why did he target this tane girl, this beautiful girl.
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Speaker 3: Why Shawdah, I'm come here today.
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Speaker 13: This is the hardest thing I would ever have to
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Speaker 13: do in my life to speak Shaddy's voice. Shadai was
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Speaker 13: a beautiful soul. She was an amazing girl. Nancy, everything
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Speaker 13: spoke is exactly what my daughter exerted. I couldn't have
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Speaker 13: asked for any better daughter. There was things my daughter
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Speaker 13: did that medi adults not even able, so accomplished in
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Speaker 13: their life times the son of a so fun daughter
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Speaker 13: from me.
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Speaker 3: That's shaw Dai's mother, Sheena Scarborough. She's with us.
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Speaker 1: Now, Miss Scarborough, thank you for speaking out. I mean
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Speaker 1: from when we spoke then to now, I was looking
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Speaker 1: at you on camera before we started our program and
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Speaker 1: when you pull your hair back, I.
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Speaker 3: Could just see how much weight you have lost.
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Speaker 1: And now when we are what we're learning from these
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Speaker 1: search warrants that he didn't just plan to pick any
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Speaker 1: woman to murder.
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Speaker 3: He targeted shah Day.
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Speaker 6: Why Nancy, I I don't know why my daughter was
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Speaker 6: chosen to be the voice to speak for individuals in
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Speaker 6: our community in Milwaukee is very concerning. Milwaukee is a
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Speaker 6: well known place for other serial killers known as you
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Speaker 6: know Dahmer and other type of situations. I feel very
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Speaker 6: unsafe in Milwaukee right now. I'm concerned. As you stated,
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Speaker 6: your your babies just started school. My baby, her youngest
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Speaker 6: sister just started school as well.
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Speaker 5: Today.
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Speaker 6: I'm concerned for my baby, my youngest. It's a filling,
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Speaker 6: it's an edge, anxiety, anxious, constant feeling knowing that there
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Speaker 6: are serial killers in our community.
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Speaker 5: This could have been any one of our daughters.
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Speaker 6: I don't know why God selected us to be the
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Speaker 6: voice to speak for the other missing and murdered individuals
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Speaker 6: in our community.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Bethony Marshall uh renown Psycho Allen's joining us out
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Speaker 3: of l A.
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Speaker 1: Author of the book deal Breaker. You can see her
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Speaker 1: also on Peacock Now. Doctor Bethany Marshall at doctor Bethanymarshall
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Speaker 1: dot com Doctor Bethany Why Shadai. I'm going to get
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Speaker 1: into the whole dating app thing in just a moment, because.
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Speaker 3: This ci, this friend is blowing me away.
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Speaker 1: He goes to the perps time who is a rich,
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Speaker 1: spoiled brat suspect. He's had a silver spoon in his mouth.
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Speaker 1: It's day one. But even if Daddy didn't keep him
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Speaker 1: at the office, he had to let him go. I
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Speaker 1: can only imagine this. Oh, I can't even stand to
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Speaker 1: look at him. Why Shadai? Why did he have to
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Speaker 1: pick a teen girl?
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Speaker 5: I have a theory about why shut A.
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Speaker 7: Shud Ay is gorgeous, young, successful, She already has her AA,
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Speaker 7: two jobs, her own apartment. She is at the top
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Speaker 7: of the world, and compare her to this loser who
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Speaker 7: can't even hold a job in his own father's company.
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Speaker 7: I bet he was envious of her, kind of like
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Speaker 7: in cells where they want to be with the woman,
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Speaker 7: they envy the woman. They think the woman is above them,
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Speaker 7: but they want to take the woman down. So there's
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Speaker 7: destructive envy, there's destructive hatred. I bet he had a
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Speaker 7: lot of targets, but she just rose to the top
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Speaker 7: in terms of his selection. And this CI, Nancy, I
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Speaker 7: bet we're going to learn that Maxwell Anderson was a
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Speaker 7: part of some underground either drug community or sex community.
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Speaker 7: And there are more people that knew than just the CI.
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Speaker 7: He wasn't just bringing to one person. He was either
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Speaker 7: a part of a BDSM community, a swinger's community, some
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Speaker 7: community with some perversion like pedophilia or something that they
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Speaker 7: all held in common.
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Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot yes kind of athlete.
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Speaker 1: Before I speculate or you laid me down the garden
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Speaker 1: path about underground sex clubs, can I talk about what
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Speaker 1: I absolutely know because I can't put your speculation no
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Speaker 1: offense in front of a jury. I care about probative facts.
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Speaker 1: If I can't get him into evidence, they don't exist
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Speaker 1: to me. But what I can get into evidence is
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Speaker 1: what I have discovered of these search warrants.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to Aaron Maybon on that.
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Speaker 1: Regarding dating apps that he was using and how shaw
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Speaker 1: Day ends up dead and it's not the first time
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Speaker 1: this has happened.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
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Speaker 11: Sidney Loof agrees to meet her tender date Audrey again
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Speaker 11: tomorrow night, sharing with friends how excited she is. A
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Speaker 11: man is driving when Audrey picks Sydney up, but Sydney
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Speaker 11: still gets in the car. The next day, Sidney misses
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Speaker 11: work and isn't answering her phone. Sidney's friend finds Audrey
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Speaker 11: on tender who police identify as Bailey Boswell. A month later,
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Speaker 11: parts of Sydney's dismembered body are found discarded in thirty
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Speaker 11: gallon trash bags trail amidst accidentally strangling Sidney while forcing
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Speaker 11: her to participate in a porn film.
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Speaker 3: I met her on Tuesday.
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Speaker 14: I want to take her home, and she asked me
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Speaker 14: to drop her off at a friend's house, so I
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Speaker 14: did so. I gave her my number. We were planning
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Speaker 14: to go to the casino that weekend. I mean, I
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Speaker 14: haven't heard from her since.
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Speaker 11: Footage from inside the unfinished basement that police have called
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Speaker 11: a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole
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Speaker 11: has been dug in the concrete floor. A drain in
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Speaker 11: the floor is stuff with towels. The drain cover marked
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Speaker 11: with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to
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Speaker 11: a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair
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Speaker 11: and exercise equipment. The mattress of a queen bed frame
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Speaker 11: is flipped on its side and betting is tossed over
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Speaker 11: a table in the corner of the room.
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Speaker 1: Sex dungeon and the defendant's basement. He was digging another
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Speaker 1: dungeon beneath that. The thought of this beautiful girl, Shawde
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Speaker 1: Robinson dying here, being dismembered here, her last moments spent
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Speaker 1: in the basement of a spoiled brat. Thirty three year
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Speaker 1: old Maxwell Anderson a grim discover when Saide Robinson's arm
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Speaker 1: was found at Waukegan Beach, her body dismembered and placed
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Speaker 1: in parks around the area for children to find. What
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Speaker 1: a freak her twenty twenty civic found torched the next day,
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Speaker 1: and video showed the perp the spoiled brat Anderson leaving
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Speaker 1: the scene where the burned car was found. He was
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Speaker 1: arrested two days later at a traffic stop. Believe it
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Speaker 1: or not, his lawyer, Tony Cotton, with a straight face,
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Speaker 1: argued during the trial that no DNA links Anderson to
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Speaker 1: the crimes. Wow, I wonder why could it be because
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Speaker 1: he torched her car. Cotton did not respond to request
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Speaker 1: seeking comment after the verdict. Now we know the perp,
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Speaker 1: Anderson is facing a mandatory life sentence when he comes
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Speaker 1: up for sentencing, But based on what I know, that's
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Speaker 1: too good for him. These facts are heinous with me,
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Speaker 1: as Shade's mother, Sheena Scarborough. I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: have seen the footage of that basement. It's filthy, it's
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Speaker 1: dug up, it's covered in debris. And this.
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Speaker 3: Defendant picked shah Day out of all the women in
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Speaker 3: the area.
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Speaker 1: To lure her down to that filthy basement to murder her.
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Speaker 3: I just don't understand why her. Have you seen that basement?
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Speaker 6: It discusses me, Nancy, my daughter, to not deserve this.
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Speaker 5: This is unsurrell This is freaking unsurreal. Like, I don't
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Speaker 5: know how we were placed in this nightmare.
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Speaker 6: By this demon, okay demon, and I don't want to
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Speaker 6: go there but there's no other terminology for individuals that
24:24
Speaker 6: move like this, sociopaths, psycho you know, past like type energy.
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Speaker 5: Again, like I.
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Speaker 6: Speaking upon what the individual stated earlier, My daughter was
24:40
Speaker 6: very highly achievable successful.
24:43
Speaker 5: I don't know what the motive would have been.
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Speaker 6: I don't know how sociopaths, the cycle paths think like
24:51
Speaker 6: this is unsurreal, but this is very concerning for the
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Speaker 6: Milwaukee community. All individuals and parents in the community needs
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Speaker 6: to be concerned about your kids right be concerned where
25:03
Speaker 6: they're at.
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Speaker 5: Shaddy's voice will be.
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Speaker 6: Heard, and I'm speaking out for all of the other
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Speaker 6: missing individuals, not just the black and roaln but the
25:10
Speaker 6: missing individuals there are a young man, there are other
25:13
Speaker 6: individuals of all college. We represent all missing individuals that
25:17
Speaker 6: have not been found.
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Speaker 1: Aaron may been joining me now, investigative reporter and anchor
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Speaker 1: Fox six in Milwaukee.
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Speaker 3: I want to talk.
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Speaker 1: About how and figure out how he identified Shade. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure probatively speaking, why this matters so
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Speaker 1: much to me that he picked her out. And I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking he left a trail digitally on his computer, on
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Speaker 1: his laptop, on his cell phone.
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Speaker 3: But Victor's bar plays a role in this, and.
25:52
Speaker 1: Remind me to circle back because I think there's a
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Speaker 1: similar transaction a woman that claims she went on a
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Speaker 1: date with him and believes that he drugged her or
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Speaker 1: put something in her drink.
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Speaker 3: Okay, just to start with that, because.
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering and I'm going to go to medical examiner
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Speaker 1: doctor Kimball Crown's on whether we can determine anything like
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Speaker 1: that was in shay Day's system, even though we don't
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Speaker 1: have all of her body yet.
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Speaker 3: But I think digitally and forensically, it's very important to.
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Speaker 1: Prove how the two connected, not just a matter of
26:22
Speaker 1: my own curiosity why pick her, but probatively, what can
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Speaker 1: I tell.
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Speaker 3: A jury, Aaron? What am I going to learn digitally?
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Speaker 1: What footprint did he lead as to how he stalked her?
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Speaker 1: And what part did Victor's Bar play in this? Did
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Speaker 1: he work at Victor's Bar?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, we know that he did work at Victor's Bar,
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Speaker 9: and that's what we kind of knew from the jump
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Speaker 9: that he was this guy who worked at different bars,
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Speaker 9: different restaurants around the area, and Victors was one of
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Speaker 9: those places. It's not clear exactly when exactly Shade Robinson
26:58
Speaker 9: came into contact with Maxwell Anderson at Victors. But that
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Speaker 9: was part of the story really early on, Nancy, that
27:04
Speaker 9: he was this bartender, this bouncer at Victors and kind
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Speaker 9: of well known in that area, in that vicinity too.
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Speaker 9: And it could have been a place, according to investigators,
27:17
Speaker 9: where he met girls where he interacted with them too.
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Speaker 9: So that's kind of where police are honing in on things.
27:24
Speaker 9: And not only Victors Bar, but and you touched on
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Speaker 9: this earlier. Dating apps are playing a role in all
27:29
Speaker 9: this too. In this digital footprint. According to just a
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Speaker 9: search warrant, he had at least four dating apps on
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Speaker 9: his phone. You know, not too unpopular for someone in
27:38
Speaker 9: their twenties and thirties, Nancy, because you know the game
27:42
Speaker 9: has changed. People are meeting in person, but they're also
27:44
Speaker 9: meeting on dating apps.
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Speaker 3: You're right.
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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, Brian, how many cases?
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Speaker 1: And I've told a Minia jury this People covet that
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Speaker 1: which they see, Okay, like David and Mathsheba. For Pete's sake,
28:05
Speaker 1: he looks off as rufin there she is, so he
28:08
Speaker 1: has her husband murdered.
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Speaker 3: It's as old as the story can be.
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Speaker 1: And here there he is working in that bar, got
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Speaker 1: fired from his daddy's business, and he sees shaw Day
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Speaker 1: and she is his target.
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Speaker 3: And he tells his friend, I'm going to get her,
28:27
Speaker 3: not like I'm gonna.
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Speaker 1: Woo her and I'm going to treat her like a
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Speaker 1: queen and you know one day will be a thing.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm going to get her. I'm going to
28:37
Speaker 1: lure her right here to this house. I'm gonna take
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Speaker 1: her down to that base, and I'm going to kill her.
28:41
Speaker 1: Now that's what I think happened. How can I prove it?
28:45
Speaker 1: How can I prove it?
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Speaker 3: Fitz Gibbons.
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Speaker 12: I think most likely their first interaction was at Victor's.
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Speaker 12: And then we're hopeful that investigators, through these dating apps,
28:55
Speaker 12: through these profiles are going to find that probative evidence
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Speaker 12: that you're looking for to prove Anderson's targeting. Okay, just
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Speaker 12: to watch his targeting and see it unfold digitally.
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Speaker 15: Cops are also honing in on Anderson's dating app activity.
29:10
Speaker 15: A folder in Anderson's home labeled dating contained handwritten logins
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Speaker 15: to bumble, hinge, OkCupid, and Tender. Those notes also contained
29:19
Speaker 15: women's names and information about them. A woman who went
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Speaker 15: on a date with Anderson in February, is convinced he
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Speaker 15: drugged her drink.
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Speaker 3: Is there a similar transaction?
29:29
Speaker 1: Are there other women out there that interacted with this guy,
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Speaker 1: Maxwell Anderson that lived to tell the tale, or are
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Speaker 1: there other women who became his murder victims.
29:43
Speaker 3: We're trying to piece together everything we know.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Doctor Kendall Crown's renowned chief medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: Terrence County, Lecturer at the esteemed Burnett School of Medicine
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Speaker 1: at TCU, Texas Christian University, Doctor Kendall Crown.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us and let me hit
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Speaker 3: you right off the top.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever analyzed a dismemberment case?
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Speaker 16: Yes, over the years, I've analyzed several dismemberment cases in
30:14
Speaker 16: my career.
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Speaker 1: How will we be able to tell whether these injuries
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Speaker 1: to Shade happened pre mortem or after death post mortem?
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Speaker 5: So there's a couple of ways to tell.
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Speaker 16: Usually, when someone is alive and they're shot or stabbed,
30:29
Speaker 16: they will be hemorrhage into the tissues surrounding the injuries,
30:33
Speaker 16: and after the heart stops beating these injuries, these tissues
30:37
Speaker 16: won't have the hemorrhage in them. If you cause further damage.
30:41
Speaker 16: So if you're cutting a limb off or something like that,
30:43
Speaker 16: the cut area will be bloodless. So that's one way
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Speaker 16: you can tell it. The only problem is is when
30:50
Speaker 16: those limbs get thrown into water or get rained on
30:53
Speaker 16: something like that, the water can actually wash the blood
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Speaker 16: out of the tissues, so it will make it kind
30:58
Speaker 16: of hard to tell if it had in premortem or
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Speaker 16: post mortem. But the one main thing is is you
31:03
Speaker 16: can look for hemorrhage.
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Speaker 3: I got to understand what you just said, doctor Kendall Crowns.
31:11
Speaker 3: You said to.
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Speaker 1: Tell if the injuries, the dismemberment occurred before death or
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Speaker 1: after death, that you would look for hemorrhaging at the
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Speaker 1: sight of the sever where the limb was cut, where
31:25
Speaker 1: the leg was cut off. Now what does that mean
31:28
Speaker 1: to correct? Did at that point did she bleed? She
31:34
Speaker 1: did not bleed. It was post mortem after death because
31:38
Speaker 1: the heart was no longer pumping.
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Speaker 3: Is that what you just said?
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Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Then you said if the body parts, which is a
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Speaker 1: leg or an arm, had been in water.
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Speaker 3: Or rained upon, it would destroy that evidence.
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Speaker 1: In other words, you won't be able to see even
31:53
Speaker 1: under a microscope if there had been hemorrhaging. In other words, bleeding.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you just.
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Speaker 16: Said, Yes, that's correct, will wash out the blood out
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Speaker 16: of the tissues as it's in them. Is it's in
32:04
Speaker 16: a watery environment for a long period of time.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bob Sheell verdict in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: A spoiled brat convicted in the brutal murder and dismembering
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Speaker 1: of a teen college student, Saude Robinson.
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Speaker 17: Many of these body parts of this gorgeous girl were
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Speaker 17: left out in the open, Aaron Mabon very quickly, investigator
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Speaker 17: reporter Fox six Milwaukee.
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Speaker 3: Her body parts of this girl were left all over town.
32:45
Speaker 3: And that was his plan.
32:47
Speaker 1: He told the CEI his friend, Like the devil can
32:50
Speaker 1: have a friend. He tells his friend that he's going
32:54
Speaker 1: to lure her, take her down into the basement ie
32:58
Speaker 1: sex dungeon looks like a filthy basement, and they kill
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Speaker 1: her and then dismember her and leave her body parts
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Speaker 1: all over town.
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Speaker 3: That was his original plan. Aaron Mabon, isn't that true?
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Speaker 9: And Nancy, when you look at the map that we're
33:12
Speaker 9: looking at right now, that's something because you have to
33:15
Speaker 9: realize that those body parts were left or other people
33:18
Speaker 9: to find. So people walking on the beach and they
33:21
Speaker 9: just find a severed arm. They're walking through their neighborhood
33:24
Speaker 9: near a playground, Nancy, and they are finding body parts too.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, according to.
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Speaker 9: The CI, that was a goal to dismember the body,
33:32
Speaker 9: sprinkle it throughout town. We know from police that there's
33:36
Speaker 9: surveillance evidence of him on different bus routes him all
33:41
Speaker 9: over town. And they have piece it together like this
33:44
Speaker 9: right here with the backpack. They piece it together that
33:47
Speaker 9: he was just dumping body parts all over the place.
33:50
Speaker 9: One part even left the state of Wisconsin. It went
33:53
Speaker 9: to Illinois. It washed down the shore to Illinois where
33:56
Speaker 9: someone else found that body part.
33:57
Speaker 1: Laban, Laban, making my stomach physically hurt right now, actually
34:07
Speaker 1: making my stomach hurt.
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Speaker 3: Doctor hold on, doctor Kendall Crowns, because I.
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Speaker 1: Got to talk to you about how difficult it is
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Speaker 1: to actually dismember someone, and how I'm telling you this
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Speaker 1: ain't this guy's first time at the rodeo, all right,
34:19
Speaker 1: because he planned this whole thing out. Hold doctor Crowns,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, you gotta help me right now, because
34:27
Speaker 1: this was his plan all along to get this girl,
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Speaker 1: not any girl, shah day as I said, the jewel
34:34
Speaker 1: in the crown, the gorgeous girl sitting at his bar
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Speaker 1: at Victor's. He gets, sir and all along. He told
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Speaker 1: his friend up front he's going to get her, lure her,
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Speaker 1: take her in the basement at gunpoint, kill her, and
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Speaker 1: dismember her and put her body parts all over town.
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Speaker 3: What is that?
34:53
Speaker 1: Why would you put this girl's body parts where other
34:56
Speaker 1: people can find them.
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Speaker 7: You know what's interesting, Nancy is he doesn't seem to
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Speaker 7: be scattering her remains in order to not be ided.
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Speaker 7: He's scattering them because he wants to have power over
35:06
Speaker 7: the community. He wants to terrify and terrorize everybody.
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Speaker 3: Big guys, I don't even know what you're saying. He
35:14
Speaker 3: wanted to have power over the community, terrify the community.
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Speaker 1: Okay, tell you right now, that's not what happened. But
35:24
Speaker 1: I know he didn't do this to have power.
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Speaker 3: Over the community. I've never heard anything like that, but
35:29
Speaker 3: this reminds me a freak. He is a devil straight
35:33
Speaker 3: from hell, That's.
35:34
Speaker 1: Why he did it. But there's got to be most killers, Bethany.
35:37
Speaker 1: They want to hide the body. They bury it, they
35:40
Speaker 1: put it in the ocean, they weighed it down with
35:43
Speaker 1: smit Brooks like Scott Peterson did Lacy. This guy left
35:48
Speaker 1: her remains in public parks for children to find.
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Speaker 3: Now shrink that focus focus well, I.
35:56
Speaker 7: Think somehow that was sexually exciting to him, just like
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Speaker 7: sexual sadism. You and I often talk about where the
36:03
Speaker 7: perpetrator inflicts cruelty in order to increase sexual arousal, that
36:08
Speaker 7: this is just prolonging the crime, and it's sort of
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Speaker 7: exciting to scatter these parts all over the community and
36:15
Speaker 7: to imagine what their reactions will be. This is a
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Speaker 7: little guy who can't get a job at his own
36:21
Speaker 7: father's store. He's small in life, he's small and stature,
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Speaker 7: he's small psychologically, and this is the only way he
36:30
Speaker 7: can get excitement. Is this form of thrill seeking. It
36:35
Speaker 7: actually reminds me Nancy who free I.
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Speaker 3: Got to go to Miss Garborough, Miss Garborough.
36:42
Speaker 1: Just the thought of this devil after what he did
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Speaker 1: to Shah Day then taking her body part and lee
36:54
Speaker 1: what on a kid's slide at the playground and somehow
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Speaker 1: enjoying that. I don't understand how anybody can be so
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Speaker 1: evil And he's not crazy.
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Speaker 3: He's not crazy, he's sane.
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Speaker 5: It's a sex son of a I'm sorry, excuse my language.
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Speaker 6: I can that this is I don't even know how
37:16
Speaker 6: I'm present to be able to be here and discuss
37:18
Speaker 6: these things with you. But again, my community needs to
37:21
Speaker 6: be aware and they need to know what's going on.
37:23
Speaker 6: They need to be watching out for their kids. Look
37:25
Speaker 6: what type of individual justice? Why would you harm my baby?
37:30
Speaker 6: She hurt nobody. She was angelic, She put out good energy,
37:35
Speaker 6: She helped others. He was there for the community. She
37:39
Speaker 6: was there for the elders, the young people, her peers.
37:42
Speaker 6: She was constantly giving back. There is something deeper into this,
37:48
Speaker 6: but the truth is going to be told.
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Speaker 5: We are worthy for a jury, the trial dury. I
37:57
Speaker 5: want justice for Shutte. I want the truth to be told.
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Speaker 1: Now we are learning this spoiled Bratt Maxwell Anderson, aged
38:05
Speaker 1: thirty three, working part time and to get pick up
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Speaker 1: a job, turned his cell phone off.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Sounds a lot like Brian Koberger at the same time
38:17
Speaker 1: Shai Day was murdered. Let me go very quickly to
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns before I get off on the cell phone.
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Speaker 1: And what it means that coincidentally, he turned his phone
38:27
Speaker 1: off at the exact time Shaide was killed. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 1: How difficult is it to dismember a human body?
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Speaker 3: I mean, this was his plan all along. He told
38:43
Speaker 3: the CI that and he did it.
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Speaker 16: So it depends on how you dismember the individual. If
38:48
Speaker 16: you cut at joint spaces, like along the wrists or
38:53
Speaker 16: the elbow or the shoulder, you can actually pull the
38:57
Speaker 16: limb off quite easily. But if you start cutting in
39:00
Speaker 16: the midshaft of the bone itself, it's very hard to
39:03
Speaker 16: get through the bone. So if you know what you're doing,
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Speaker 16: you can dismember an individual quite quickly. But if you're
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Speaker 16: focusing on.
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Speaker 1: Wait, if you know what you're doing, did you just
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Speaker 1: say that I'm sorry?
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Speaker 12: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Did you just say If you know what you're doing,
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Speaker 1: you can dismember a human very quickly.
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Speaker 3: Okay, well let's just go Let.
39:24
Speaker 1: Me just again go out on a limb and pretend
39:26
Speaker 1: this is his first time dismembering someone.
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Speaker 3: How do you know what he's doing, Well, if.
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Speaker 16: He has any background in hunting or cooking or anything
39:36
Speaker 16: like that where he's worked with chickens, if you understand
39:39
Speaker 16: where the joint spaces are you can dismember an individual
39:42
Speaker 16: quite quickly. But again, if you don't understand that, and you.
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Speaker 3: Say what do you mean by quickly?
39:47
Speaker 1: I thank you, and I are in two different time
39:50
Speaker 1: space continuums. What do you mean you can dismember a
39:53
Speaker 1: body relatively quickly?
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Speaker 16: Again, you can take the if you go for the
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Speaker 16: joint spaces, you can take each arm off.
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Speaker 1: Each What is quickly? What is quickly to doctor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? How quicker can you
40:09
Speaker 1: dismember under an hour? Wait, I'm not talking about Dexter.
40:14
Speaker 1: It takes an hour for one one episode of Dexter,
40:19
Speaker 1: and that's starter to finish Alpha omega.
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Speaker 3: Soup to nuts.
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Speaker 1: You're telling me a body can be dismembered by an
40:27
Speaker 1: amateur in an hour.
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Speaker 16: Well, by an amateur, it'd probably take over an hour,
40:32
Speaker 16: maybe longer, maybe several hours. Again, it's just what is
40:36
Speaker 16: their knowledge base for taking a part limbs?
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Speaker 1: Okay, well I'm going to go with what you just said.
40:44
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall. The dismemberment of this little girl was
40:50
Speaker 1: part of his fantasy.
40:54
Speaker 3: Yes, I bet you he dragged it out.
40:57
Speaker 1: The placing of the body parts on the kid's life.
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Speaker 1: So it's almost more than I can take, can't. I
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Speaker 1: hate to even say it in front of miss Shehena Nacy.
41:05
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say this in front of missus Robinson.
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Speaker 7: I don't want to be offensive.
41:09
Speaker 3: But this was a sexually motivated crime.
41:11
Speaker 7: This is a beautiful young woman, and torturing her, dragging
41:15
Speaker 7: this out, dismembering her, all of those acts of cruelty
41:19
Speaker 7: were to enhance his sexual arousal. But Nancy then placing
41:23
Speaker 7: the body parts around, shocking other people, it's the element
41:28
Speaker 7: of shock that made him sexually excited. So this guy
41:32
Speaker 7: is just prolonging the crime, and he probably built up
41:35
Speaker 7: to it for a long long time. Even in terms
41:38
Speaker 7: of the dismembering. I would look at his computer and
41:41
Speaker 7: see if he googled how to do that, because he
41:44
Speaker 7: was already planning to do it.
41:46
Speaker 1: Now it's a matter of sentencing. Can't these sentences be
41:51
Speaker 1: stacked life plus twenty plus twenty plus twenty life for
41:56
Speaker 1: the murder, twenty for the arson, twenty for tampering with
41:59
Speaker 1: the corpse, and so on and so on. I want
42:02
Speaker 1: to make sure he never sees the light of day again.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and God bless the family
42:13
Speaker 1: of Sunday Robinson.
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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,