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SHOCK WITNESS: Alleged killer of high school football star Ahmaud Arbery bragged he shot black man "with gold teeth." · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This is a case that
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Speaker 1: will live in infamy, regardless of the verdict, for years
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Speaker 1: to come. And in the last days more information about
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Speaker 1: the brutal shooting of a young man in the prime
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Speaker 1: of his life. Why because of hatred, prejudice, bigotry. As
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Speaker 1: the mother of twins now thirteen, including a boy, the
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Speaker 1: thought that somewhat would fall hellow him as he is
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Speaker 1: jogging in their vehicle like they were hunting, loaded with
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Speaker 1: weapons and shoot my son. But according to the facts
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Speaker 1: as we know them now, that is what happened. To
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Speaker 1: a modar Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. All across the country,
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Speaker 1: people are watching this case waiting for justice. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. Here there's a guy in the house
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Speaker 1: right and round the house under constructions, and do you
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Speaker 1: have your address or the other that house of the address? Uh?
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Speaker 1: Right at two nineteen or two twenty. Stealer drives and
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Speaker 1: he said, tell of them breaking into it right now. No,
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Speaker 1: it's it's all open. It's under constructions. And he's running
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Speaker 1: right now, very good, he's right now. Okay, what is
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Speaker 1: he doing? He's running down the streets hopeful. Okay, back here, okay,
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Speaker 1: that's fine. I'll getting them out there. I didn't even
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Speaker 1: know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on
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Speaker 1: the premises they're not supposed to be looking stuff on her?
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Speaker 1: And you've been caught on the camera a bunch before
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Speaker 1: nineteen have an all one thing out here. The man
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Speaker 1: is fielding the house. He got parte. He's I think
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Speaker 1: he's not going to finishing shirt. Okay, that's fine. And
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Speaker 1: you said it was a mail in a black T shirt,
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Speaker 1: that white T shirt. Black guy, white T shirt. And
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Speaker 1: he's done back and run back. You're hearing the nine
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Speaker 1: one one calling at this moment. Amant Aubrey is still alive,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like the guy is talking about an animal.
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Speaker 1: He's running. Look at him like, I don't even understand
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Speaker 1: what that has to do with the nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: But let's hear more from the nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: Listen with the addressing emergency. I'm not here as a
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Speaker 1: black male running down where where? Where? At Steller's shorts?
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Speaker 1: I don't know what three girl about? That is it?
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Speaker 1: Stop grati, sir? Hello, sir? Sure where are you at?
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Speaker 1: You can hear him screaming at amar At Aubrey. She
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Speaker 1: stopped right there, and of course amant Aarbury keeps running
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to break you down
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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. In the last day,
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Speaker 1: significant advances in the case have occurred. Levi Page Trim
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Speaker 1: Online dot Com, investigative reporter, Professor forensics Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star
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Speaker 1: of a brand new hit series, Poisonous Liaisons on True
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Speaker 1: Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator Psychoanalysts joining us
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Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills on INSTA doctor Bethany Marshall. Lee Merritt,
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Speaker 1: renowned lawyer joining us. Lee Merritt EESQ for Esquire dot
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Speaker 1: Com representing the mother of Ahmad Aubrey, who is with
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Speaker 1: us now, Wanda Cooper Jones. In the last hours, there
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Speaker 1: has been not only a bond hearing to let the
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Speaker 1: shooters out of jail, that's the point of a bond hearing,
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Speaker 1: but a preliminary hearing as well where we learn a lot.
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Speaker 1: But I want to go first to miss Cooper Jones, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Thank you for having
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Speaker 1: me hopeful. You know, Miss Cooper Jones just playing that
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Speaker 1: nine one one call. There was a reason I would
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Speaker 1: always play it for juries, because it takes you back
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Speaker 1: to the moment of the incident. But I hated playing
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Speaker 1: it knowing you were listening. But I bet you've heard
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Speaker 1: it before. What comes to your mind when you hear
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Speaker 1: these guys ordering your son who's out jogging to stop.
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Speaker 1: I'm so heartbreaking to know that when those calls are
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Speaker 1: being placed in them, all was actually still alive. It's
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Speaker 1: just pretty far, you know, Miss Cooper Jones. I always
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Speaker 1: wonder about the murder of my fiance many years ago, Keith.
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Speaker 1: He was shot five times in the back, the face,
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Speaker 1: the neck. I wonder what he endured in the last
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Speaker 1: moments of his life. I wonder about what was he thinking,
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Speaker 1: What was going through his mind as this happened. Do
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Speaker 1: you wonder that about Ahmad every day? Every day? It's
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Speaker 1: very hard to think that he was clueless all was
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Speaker 1: about to happen. I mean, my mom had began doing
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Speaker 1: laudry before he went out for his jog. When I
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Speaker 1: returned home, his closest to live a dry air and
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Speaker 1: he picked clothes also in the washer where he anticipated
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Speaker 1: coming back and finishing his lawgry. Not normally he would
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Speaker 1: never return. I just taking in what you're telling me
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Speaker 1: and thinking, you know, the shooters described him being in
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Speaker 1: a house that was under construction, and I've been exactly
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Speaker 1: to this neighborhood and this scene. When we were growing up,
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Speaker 1: we were in such a rural area, Miss Cooper Jones,
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Speaker 1: that when somebody would build a house, it was, you know,
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Speaker 1: a wonderment and we would all go in the house
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Speaker 1: and you know the construction of the house and look
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Speaker 1: around and say, oh, this is going to be their
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Speaker 1: bedroom and this is going to be the entryway because
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Speaker 1: it was open and we could go in there and
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Speaker 1: see the house being built and never really thought anything
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Speaker 1: of it. When you first got the news that Ahmad
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Speaker 1: had been shot? What happened? How did you discover what
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Speaker 1: had happened? Um? I was actually in Wayne spread Wi
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Speaker 1: am on today. I'm lying on the couch and my mom,
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Speaker 1: my mom was sitting in her recliner. I was lying
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Speaker 1: on the on the couch and I got a call
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Speaker 1: from a from an unknown number and I answered the
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Speaker 1: call and there was visted the investigator who identified this
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Speaker 1: Stuffs and my brother Um Green counter Coaching department and
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Speaker 1: told me how my had been a blocked up in
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Speaker 1: a burglary. Well wait, I'm sorry, did you just say
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Speaker 1: you were told your son had been involved in a burglary? Yes,
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Speaker 1: ma'am okay, And then he said, and then missus. The
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Speaker 1: burglary a mom was still funded by the homeowner, and
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Speaker 1: unfortunately there was a fight over the weapon and my
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Speaker 1: mom was shot killed. And he had only been out
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Speaker 1: of the house. How long? Um, I wasn't there because
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Speaker 1: I had traveled a weekend, so I'm not I'm sure
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Speaker 1: he wasn't gone that long because my neighbor told me
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Speaker 1: that he saw him tryably to believe in the house.
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Speaker 1: It was a long for it. They was told that
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Speaker 1: he was shot and kill so he wasn't gone bed
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Speaker 1: But all time stories with Nancy Grace, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about the sudden, kind upsetting death of a young man
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Speaker 1: in the prime of his life, the apple of his
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Speaker 1: mother's eye. To this day we're wondering why what happened?
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Speaker 1: Why did Ahmad get chased down and shot? With me?
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Speaker 1: Is his mother Wanda Cooper Joe her lawyer Lee Merit
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Speaker 1: in an awesome panel to make sense of at all.
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Speaker 1: In the last days, there has been a bond hearing
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Speaker 1: to let the shooters out of jail. That was their
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Speaker 1: wish as well as a preliminary hearing. I want to
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Speaker 1: go now to Miss Cooper Jones's lawyer, Lee Merit. You're
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Speaker 1: a veteran trial lawyer. A preliminary hearing is really a
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Speaker 1: field day for the defense because at a prelium it's
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Speaker 1: simply the state putting up enough evidence to get the
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Speaker 1: case bound over for trial or bound over it's sent
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Speaker 1: to the right court. Should it be a shoplifting, should
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Speaker 1: it be a misdemeanor, should it go to felony court.
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Speaker 1: But it gives the defense the opportunity to explore and
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Speaker 1: test the state's witnesses that they normally don't have prior
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Speaker 1: to trial. Mister Merrick, what did you learn from the
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing? And well, yeah, it's often the closest thing
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Speaker 1: to a death position that you'll get in criminal court.
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Speaker 1: And I have to tell you that this preliminary hearing,
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Speaker 1: the judges were worked on us a couple of times
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Speaker 1: and to produce such a volumes record because this was
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Speaker 1: an extensive preliminary hearing, we learned not only about you know,
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Speaker 1: some of the ongoings in that community, that there were
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Speaker 1: a group of men who decided to patrol essentially the community,
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Speaker 1: that they were organized to a Facebook Internet group, that
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Speaker 1: they were getting some advisement at least from the Glen
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Speaker 1: County Police Department, and in a lot of ways that
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Speaker 1: Glenn County pt were deferring to these men for safety
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Speaker 1: concerns in the community, but not really safety, because I
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Speaker 1: guess I should take property concerns. But beyond that, we
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Speaker 1: also learned about Gregory Travis McMichael, and there the racist
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Speaker 1: motivation for their not only accusation of a Modelbaria, but
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Speaker 1: ultimately their their decision to a costume with William Roddy
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Speaker 1: Brian and in his last moments. Well, I learned a
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Speaker 1: lot from the hearing and whether this case is about
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Speaker 1: racism or not, this if the facts as we know
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Speaker 1: them are true, this is a clear murder, one with
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Speaker 1: multiple perpetrators pursuing an unarmed individual who has not been
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Speaker 1: proven to have committed any wrongdoing. And even if he
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Speaker 1: had been in a home under construction, even if he
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Speaker 1: had taken something, which let me be clear, he did not.
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Speaker 1: Even cops can't chase down a fleeing felon from a
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Speaker 1: burglary and shoot them dead. No, the person you're chasing
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Speaker 1: has to present a threat that they're going to hurt
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Speaker 1: you or somebody else. This guy was out jogging for
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake, but I learned something very very disturbing. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Kelly Wiley w j XT four. During
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Speaker 1: the hearing, Gregg McMichael's wife and Travis's mother took the stand,
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Speaker 1: so did Greg McMichael's doctor, and a slew of Travis's
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Speaker 1: longtime friends. Several of the witnesses say they would be
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Speaker 1: willing to put up their own property as collateral for
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Speaker 1: bond for the former Coastguard member and father, but the
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Speaker 1: Steve had questions for one of Travis's longtime friends. Do
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Speaker 1: you recall that text exchange between you and defendant Travis
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Speaker 1: McMichael in which he was talking about shooting a black
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Speaker 1: with gold team that had a high point for five.
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Speaker 1: He was referring to a record. The next day, Judge
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Speaker 1: Walmsley said he was concerned testimony from the witnesses was biased.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely what he is talking about. And mister Lee Merritt,
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Speaker 1: the lawyer for miss Cooper Jones and Mod's mother and
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Speaker 1: Wanda Cooper Jones, they're both with us. So I ain't
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Speaker 1: even say it out loud because it's so hateful. So
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Speaker 1: tell me Lee. One of the shooters send a text
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Speaker 1: after a mod has been shot stating that he he
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Speaker 1: texted about shooting a black c oo in with gold teeth,
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Speaker 1: and then later had someone state that he was into
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Speaker 1: a raccoon. That's right, I am, I understanding this right,
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Speaker 1: and that is self described as Travis the shooters best
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Speaker 1: friends the childhood for him, they grew up together and
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Speaker 1: they went on hunting expeditions together. And so I mean,
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Speaker 1: this has been the narrative that has been most prominent
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Speaker 1: about the murder of a mob, that it appeared that
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Speaker 1: these men were all hunting something that hunters do as
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Speaker 1: they brag about what they did, they share pictures of it,
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Speaker 1: they take video, and this is what he was doing
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Speaker 1: and sending the text describing killing that black coon with
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Speaker 1: gold teeth high point forty five in Newports. It was
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Speaker 1: really really disturbing. It shocked me when I heard them court,
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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. The judge took a moment when
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Speaker 1: denying the bond hearing to say, if this was the
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Speaker 1: best character witness that you could call for Travis and
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Speaker 1: he lied, of course about what he said. Oh, actually
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Speaker 1: we were described describing the raccoon, and we're being facetious.
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Speaker 1: I doubt the young man knows how to feel that word,
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Speaker 1: but that's what he offered as an explanation. Miss Cooper Jones.
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Speaker 1: Were you in the courtroom when this testimony occurred? I
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Speaker 1: was what it must be like to hear people bragging
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Speaker 1: about shooting your son and referring to him as an
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Speaker 1: animal with gold teeth. And this is after the shooting, which,
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Speaker 1: if the facts are as we believe them to be,
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Speaker 1: as we know them to be at this time, shows
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Speaker 1: absolutely no remorse at all. He is making fun of Ahmad. Again.
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Speaker 1: It's just showed me that the value Mama's life at all.
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Speaker 1: Mama wasn't wasn't a human. And again I hate to
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Speaker 1: keep saying that it breaks my heart, but this case
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Speaker 1: really breaks my heart over and over again. What led
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Speaker 1: you to be in the courtroom throughout the hearing, Miss
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Speaker 1: Kaper Jones? When I had the day that A laid
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Speaker 1: them to rest was the twenty ninth of February, My
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Speaker 1: last first summer was you know, I will find out
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Speaker 1: what happened. And with telling them that I think it's
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Speaker 1: my duties is mom to be in the courtroom each
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Speaker 1: time Mama's name is called, and that's what I plan
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Speaker 1: to do. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. We were talking
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Speaker 1: about the recent legal events in the case of Ahmad
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Speaker 1: Rbury who shot dead to Leavipage climb online dot com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. For those that are not familiar with the case,
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Speaker 1: please give me a description of what happened the day
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Speaker 1: Ahmad Armory, just twenty five years old, was shot dead. So, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is in Brunswick, Georgia, Glenn County, a coastal community,
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Speaker 1: very beautiful and in that neighborhood is Sentilla Shores, residential
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Speaker 1: large oak trees with Spanish moss draping down. Then it
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Speaker 1: looks peaceful. But what happened February twenty third was not.
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Speaker 1: Gregory McMichael. He's sixty five years old. He called ninety
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Speaker 1: one one. He says a man walked around a house
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Speaker 1: that was under construction and he was running away, And
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Speaker 1: as he was on the phone with nine one one,
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Speaker 1: he and his son, thirty four year old Travis McMichael,
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Speaker 1: jumped in a pickup truck armed with guns and chased
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Speaker 1: him and another man, William Roady Bryan followed him. And
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Speaker 1: that man, William Bryant, actually videoed this pursuit of this
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Speaker 1: unarmed Ahmed Arbury, and we know that it was caught
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Speaker 1: on video. They caught up with him in their vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Travis McMichael got out, tried to confront him. Ahmed Aarbury
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Speaker 1: tried to run away. They're outside of the phone camera's view.
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Speaker 1: You hear arguing and then you hear gunshots and Ahmed
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Speaker 1: Aarbury is shot dead. He was shot twice in the chest, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And you know what's very disturbing is that William Bryan
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Speaker 1: said after Travis McMichael shot Ahmed Arbury, as he was
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Speaker 1: on the ground dying, he muttered the words effing inward.
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Speaker 1: You know, Lee Merritt, you tried a lot of cases,
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Speaker 1: as have I. Is there ever a moment in court
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Speaker 1: where you just stop still, just almost like it hints
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Speaker 1: you in the face, the hate and the perversion people
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Speaker 1: have toward each other. I mean, are you just used
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Speaker 1: to it by now because you've thought you fought so
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Speaker 1: many racial battles? Is it just like water off a
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Speaker 1: duck's back to you? Because it's still just It actually
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Speaker 1: makes me feel sick to my stomach to hear about
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Speaker 1: the hatred people have toward each other. It was that
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Speaker 1: moment in court when Travis Michael's cole defended explained what
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Speaker 1: he said to a mind as he laid down on
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Speaker 1: the ground, and you're right, I've seen a lot of death. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: the vast majority of the families that I work with,
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Speaker 1: I've had a level and kill to violence or hatred,
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Speaker 1: and you can become numbed to it, but it's it's
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Speaker 1: it's the evil behind those words. In that moment, a
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Speaker 1: young man, for whatever reason that he may have justified
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Speaker 1: in his head, was dying in front of him, and
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Speaker 1: he only wanted to keep one last insult on him
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Speaker 1: as he left this earth. It broke, It broke my heart,
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Speaker 1: and it snapped something inside of me. Honestly, I'm I.
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Speaker 1: I like to hold my composure because I know families
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Speaker 1: need that from me. They do, and I could not
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Speaker 1: in that moment. You know, Lee, there were times in
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Speaker 1: court when we'd be on a we'd get a recess
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and I would tell the victim's family
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Speaker 1: just wait right here, I'll be right back, and I
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Speaker 1: would go to a run up the stairs. Nobody ever
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Speaker 1: uses the stairs in the courthouse. They all use the elevator.
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Speaker 1: I'd run up the exit stairs one floor up to
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Speaker 1: the ladies' bathroom and go in the furthest stall and
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Speaker 1: just get it together, yeah, and go back down to
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. So I like you in court would appear
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Speaker 1: strong for them, because that is what they need. They
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Speaker 1: don't need you falling apart. They don't need you giving
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Speaker 1: in to the hate that's being heaped upon this young man.
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Speaker 1: We learned a lot Joseph Scott Morgan with me, renowned
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Speaker 1: death investigator. What do we learn about Ahmad's injuries? And
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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at, specifically, jose Scott, is to show
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Speaker 1: that Ahmad was not the aggressor in any way. I
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Speaker 1: already know he's on foot, he's unarmed, and he's being
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Speaker 1: chased by a vehicle by a group by two men
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Speaker 1: and a videographer for Pete's sake, trailing. I already know that.
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Speaker 1: But what can you tell me specifically about the autopsy? Well,
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Speaker 1: l autopsy is you know, for whatever reason, I think
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Speaker 1: that it is very fortunate in the sense that it's
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Speaker 1: performed by one of the most renowned forensic pathologists in
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Speaker 1: the country. Doctor Edmund Donna, who who was who's now
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Speaker 1: in Savannah as the former chief medical examiner in Chicago,
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Speaker 1: and he did a very thorough job. And let me
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Speaker 1: just so folks understand, because there's some confusion here relative
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Speaker 1: to these horrible comments that were made in the past
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Speaker 1: about the high point a mod was killed with a shotgun. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is and this is what is so egregious and
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Speaker 1: striking about this. This is not like someone who is
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Speaker 1: using a concealable pistol in their pocket and they pull
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Speaker 1: it out. This is a long gun that they're literally
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Speaker 1: chasing him down with and you can hear the shots
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Speaker 1: being fired on the video. We've all seen this. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: a man sustained to what doctor Donna who is referred
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Speaker 1: to as two shotgun wounds. And these both fired at
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Speaker 1: close range. And when you take a look at the
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Speaker 1: videography here you can get an idea for the range.
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Speaker 1: It's they closed on him, the individual with a shot
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Speaker 1: gun closed on him, and the muzzle is literally pointed.
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Speaker 1: If folks at home will just imagine the left side
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Speaker 1: of their chest. Okay, he sustained one that was kind
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Speaker 1: of in center mass like right over your stern, m
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Speaker 1: slightly to the left, and another that it's like superior
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Speaker 1: to the left breast area. And it left him with
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Speaker 1: these large, large shotgun pellets. It's actually buck shot contained
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Speaker 1: within his body. And when Donohoe talks about this, he
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Speaker 1: talks about this from the perspective of that it is
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Speaker 1: close range. This is not like you're firing at a
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Speaker 1: great distance, Nancy. The ammunition that was used in this case,
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Speaker 1: the reason it's called buck shot is because it's it
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Speaker 1: was originally designed so that hunters could use it to
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Speaker 1: kill deerwit bucks. Okay, And so he was actually hunted
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Speaker 1: down in the street and shot at close range with
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Speaker 1: a very very powerful way. Hold on, before you go
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Speaker 1: any further, you brought something up in my mind to
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Speaker 1: missus Cooper Jones. This is Ahmad Albory's mom. When you
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Speaker 1: know what I think? I think, Missus Cooper Jones, if
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Speaker 1: it had not been for that video emerging, there would
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Speaker 1: have never been a prosecution. As the days in the
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Speaker 1: weeks passed and nothing happened after Ahmad was shot. What
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Speaker 1: was going through your mind? Had you accepted that there
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Speaker 1: would be no prosecution? What were you just so heartbroken
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Speaker 1: after his death. He didn't care what was going through
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Speaker 1: your mind at that time before the video emerged, I
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Speaker 1: knew that I had to I knew that I had
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Speaker 1: to pull myself together to find out what it is
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Speaker 1: that going to happen. Once I learned from the local
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Speaker 1: newspaper later that week that Ahmad was chased down, and
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Speaker 1: the newspaper articles stated that there was two or more
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Speaker 1: men standing over the disease man, and there was two
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Speaker 1: or more weapons evolved, I knew that something shady had happened,
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Speaker 1: and I knew that I really had to push to
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Speaker 1: see what really happened, and that's what I did, Lee Merritt.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm so used to angry people, angry victims'
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Speaker 1: families as they should be, angry cops, angry witnesses. What's
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Speaker 1: it like to have a lady like miss kiper Jones?
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Speaker 1: Is your clients so calm, so articulate, so almost she's
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Speaker 1: an example for everybody else. That's really rare. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've got to get in there, and you've got to
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Speaker 1: be the bad guy. You've got to be the tough
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Speaker 1: you understand, of course, right right. She's so mild mannered
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Speaker 1: and so soft spoken. You know that's rare, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And it's and I tell her this um at this
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Speaker 1: last hearing, she saw that video early supportion of the
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Speaker 1: video for the first time that we will announcing and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure hearing the injuries described after watching that video,
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Speaker 1: and she couldn't sit through it. A man was exceptional
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Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. She raised an exceptional son,
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Speaker 1: and it's because she's an exceptional woman, and it's it's
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Speaker 1: it hurts to even have her revisited. But the strength
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Speaker 1: that she displayed was displayed in her son, even in
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Speaker 1: his last moment, as these men set upon him and
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Speaker 1: he fought for his life. I know she takes a
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Speaker 1: great deal of silas and it reminds me of how
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Speaker 1: hard we have to fight. Her legal team maestified in
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Speaker 1: the people who are standing up for her because he
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Speaker 1: fought to his last moment and he fought bravely, and
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Speaker 1: she just exudes so much power, dignity, and respect. I
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Speaker 1: want her to know that she can, she can set
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Speaker 1: her armor down for a moment and begin to heal,
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Speaker 1: as as the people that she's entrusted to take on
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Speaker 1: this fight. I will fight and continue to fight for her.
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Speaker 1: Until we have some semblance of justice crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace and a bond. Hearing these perps want out
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Speaker 1: on bond, let me just cut the chase. They didn't
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Speaker 1: get a bond, They're not going to get out. But
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear from the defense in this case.
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Speaker 1: Hear what they are saying. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at k excuse me, w j X TV news
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Speaker 1: for defense teams for the McMichaels, saying, the McMichaels didn't
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Speaker 1: follow our breed because of his race, but out of
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Speaker 1: concern for their neighborhood. This case isn't about grace your honor.
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Speaker 1: This case, in the indictment, is about whether or not
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Speaker 1: the private citizens arrest law and the justification statutes allowed
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Speaker 1: Greg McMichael to do what he chose to do that
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Speaker 1: day for the sole purpose of defending his family and
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Speaker 1: his property in his community. The judge in the case
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Speaker 1: denied on for both McMichael's, saying the video shows a
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Speaker 1: significant risk and threat of danger. Mont's mother says she's
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Speaker 1: relieved the tools stay in jail. Day was a good
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Speaker 1: day defending family, property and community. They were chasing a
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Speaker 1: guy in a vehicle and he's running on foot unarmed,
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Speaker 1: you know, to you doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho, Alan's joining
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Speaker 1: me out of Beverly Hills. Not about race, Nancy, Not
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Speaker 1: about race. They texted after that they shot a black
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Speaker 1: c o O. And I'm not even gonna say it
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Speaker 1: because I don't want my children to ever think their
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Speaker 1: mother uttered such a thing with gold teeth. How can
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Speaker 1: this not be about It's actually it's about hate. That's
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Speaker 1: what it's about, pure hate, and Nancy. Not only is
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Speaker 1: it about race, hate, malice, it's predatory. We use that
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Speaker 1: term so many times in society, but predatory means cold
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Speaker 1: blooded without remorse. That there's kind of a thrill of
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Speaker 1: the hunt, you know. I this sounds like they're talking
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Speaker 1: like hunters talk. If you've ever talked to a hunter
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Speaker 1: or somebody who likes to shoot, you know, elk or
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Speaker 1: deer or something like that, they love to tell very
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Speaker 1: long stories about like I sat in the stand and
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Speaker 1: then I was looking all day, you know, out at
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Speaker 1: the deer, and then the buck came here, and then
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Speaker 1: I looked them in the eyes. And there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of methodical planning to kill their prey and there's a
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Speaker 1: great delight, there's a thrill. And I'm sorry to say
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Speaker 1: this with the family members on the show, but I
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Speaker 1: think that these two father and son murders were hunters,
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Speaker 1: but they were hunting a human being instead of an animal,
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Speaker 1: and they equated a human being to an animal. And
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Speaker 1: then they breaked afterwards, like you're breaking about a trophy,
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Speaker 1: like somebody who holds up you know, goes on safari
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Speaker 1: in Africa and then then shoots photos of a lion
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Speaker 1: or or you know, sitting on top of an elephant,
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Speaker 1: and how thoughtless and cold hearted it is. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know. We can say racism, malist hate, but it's
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Speaker 1: also equating a human being with an it or an animal.
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Speaker 1: And a mod was so beautiful, twenty five years old,
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Speaker 1: jogging through a neighborhood. I've listened to so many stories
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Speaker 1: about his life. I know that on his sports team,
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Speaker 1: he would help the other members, he helped the coach.
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Speaker 1: This was a high school student, a sibling, a son,
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Speaker 1: a beloved member of the community, and all he was
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Speaker 1: doing was looking after his health. That's all he was doing.
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Speaker 1: Just the thought that they would send these texts back
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Speaker 1: and forth basically laughing about shooting Ahmad. This is a
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Speaker 1: case that has brought down a district attorney. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut seventeen. It's Kelly Wiley a w
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Speaker 1: j XT News for voicemail to the district attorney. State prosecutor.
33:42
Speaker 1: Jesse Evans played a voicemail gregging Michael left for current
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Speaker 1: district Attorney Jackie Johnson after his son shatamat Aubrey. Johnson
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Speaker 1: is his former boss. He worked in her office for
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Speaker 1: more than twenty years as her investigator. The shooting was
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Speaker 1: technically hers to prosecute before it was handed to a
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Speaker 1: new district attorney, Jackie, This is great. Did you call
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Speaker 1: me possibly? Can I've been involved in the studio and
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Speaker 1: I need advice a way to please call me? Steve
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Speaker 1: said they were not suggesting the district attorney helped me
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Speaker 1: Michael or called it back. Johnson recused herself from the
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Speaker 1: case three days after the shooting, but not before calling
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Speaker 1: another district attorney who agreed to accept the case. To you,
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Speaker 1: Lee Mara, this is miss Wander Cooper Jones's lawyer. No
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Speaker 1: stranger to a courtroom. What happened to that? In DA
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Speaker 1: The one that took that message in the last election,
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Speaker 1: Cycloda Jackie Johnson was voted out of office. To add
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Speaker 1: to that, she is under federal investigation for corruption and
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Speaker 1: for her role in covering up the murder of a
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Speaker 1: mode of arbery. As you know, the men went for
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Speaker 1: almost seventy three days without facing any of her arrests.
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Speaker 1: No arrest, no, nothing. Slowly, slowly, the case is progressing.
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Speaker 1: To you, mister Merritt. The case is now going to
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Speaker 1: be tried, and I believe Cobb County is that correct.
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Speaker 1: It's being handled by the Cobb County Attorney's Office or
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Speaker 1: DA's office. The venue is still a progress. I say,
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Speaker 1: I say, I want to go back to Miss Cooper Jones.
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Speaker 1: Is a MOD Aubrey's mom. Could you just share with
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Speaker 1: me your most vivid memory of a MOD growing up? Um? Well,
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Speaker 1: I have so many, because I've gone through him more
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Speaker 1: than once. But I was angry with the MOD one day.
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Speaker 1: He had done something at school and he comes in
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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm giving him some giving him some
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Speaker 1: you know, some some good words of advice. But he
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Speaker 1: would live think so at the time, and you know
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Speaker 1: he's just he's just sitting to the dining room table.
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Speaker 1: He's just staring at me, and he's just staying it.
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Speaker 1: He's not saying anything. He's just staying because he's staying
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Speaker 1: at me because he wants them look in his direction
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Speaker 1: so he can smile, because he knows if he smiles
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Speaker 1: at me, you know, if I'm angry, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: be any anymore. And I just remember him sitting there,
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Speaker 1: just staring, and I was I'm fine not to look
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Speaker 1: at him, because I know that's what he's trying to do.
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Speaker 1: But I couldn't help it, and I looked at him
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Speaker 1: and that he was at the diningroom table. We're just
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Speaker 1: looking at his mama with a big old smile on
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Speaker 1: the twice and then we ended that that little talk
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Speaker 1: when we got onto something else. But he would do
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Speaker 1: little things like that because he knew I mean, he
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Speaker 1: knew that. And I'm looking at him right now, and
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Speaker 1: this must have been his graduation photo. He looks like
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Speaker 1: he's got on a tuxedo and he's got that smile,
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Speaker 1: those big brown eyes. It looks like he's looking right
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Speaker 1: at me when I'm looking at him. I remember that
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Speaker 1: day to be drolling to Zack for we over have
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Speaker 1: those photos taken, and he was such a hurry because
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Speaker 1: he wanted to get back. He probably to go to
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Speaker 1: the team center. He was such a hurry that day
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Speaker 1: because he got to get back for a certain times
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Speaker 1: to go to They had a local team center that
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Speaker 1: he'd like you to attend every Saturday, and he was
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Speaker 1: in such a big rush, Miss Keeper Jones. Please know
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Speaker 1: that people all across the world are lifting you up
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Speaker 1: in prayer and demot as well. Please know that, yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys, thank you fall the support,
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Speaker 1: thank you for all the prayers, and they're very much appreciated.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice un false Nancy Grace crime story.
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Speaker 1: Signing off goodbye for