Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Rep. Ilhan Omar Talks Congressional Firestorms, Political Attacks, ICE, Trump, Marjorie Taylor Green, Kristi Noem + More
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Every day I wake ago clicks up the Breakfast Club.
- 0:05Speaker 1: You don't finished for y'all done.
- 0:06Speaker 2: Yep, it's the world most Dangerous Morning showed to Breakfast Club. Charlamagne,
- 0:09Speaker 2: the God Envy and Jesse Hilarius on here today. But
- 0:11Speaker 2: Laura Larro Say and Mimi Brown is in and we
- 0:13Speaker 2: got a special guest. She has the United States representative
- 0:16Speaker 2: from Minnesota's fifth congressional district, I han Omar's here.
- 0:20Speaker 3: Heck, good morning, good morning.
- 0:22Speaker 2: You know, every time you're supposed to come here, something happens.
- 0:25Speaker 2: I know, two show thumbs. Every single time she was
- 0:28Speaker 2: supposed to come, a snowstorm happens.
- 0:31Speaker 3: That's that's my story with New York. Every time I'm
- 0:34Speaker 3: trying to make it here, something happens. It's either's there's
- 0:36Speaker 3: some emergency vote, there's some shutdown, or there's weather problems.
- 0:41Speaker 3: I came in for my daughter's graduation last May, and
- 0:45Speaker 3: I was here for one day and then we had
- 0:48Speaker 3: an emergency vote and I had to like literally leave
- 0:50Speaker 3: and not attend the graduation. So some something is in
- 0:53Speaker 3: the water in New York for me.
- 0:54Speaker 4: Ma, Grandma says, my stuff like that happens. God is
- 0:57Speaker 4: redirecting you for some reasons a protection.
- 0:59Speaker 3: Yes, yes, my and my dad used to say that too.
- 1:02Speaker 1: So how are you? How's your energy?
- 1:03Speaker 3: I'm god? I'm god? Yeah.
- 1:05Speaker 1: Do you ever feel comfortable? Do you ever feel like
- 1:09Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to use the words safe,
- 1:10Speaker 1: but do you ever feel safe everywhere?
- 1:13Speaker 3: Internally? I do, okay, but you know, we have to
- 1:17Speaker 3: worry about the external, so we try to take the
- 1:20Speaker 3: precautions that are necessary and have security when it's needed.
- 1:24Speaker 3: And I actually had capital police detail that was going
- 1:30Speaker 3: to come with me the last time I was going
- 1:32Speaker 3: to come here. But things look good, so I don't
- 1:35Speaker 3: I don't have them right now.
- 1:36Speaker 1: What makes it look good though?
- 1:38Speaker 3: I don't know? They figure out the threat levels, I've
- 1:42Speaker 3: somebody is in.
- 1:43Speaker 1: Charge of that.
- 1:45Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, especially when it's Mike Johnson making that decision.
- 1:48Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely.
- 1:50Speaker 2: I got a lot of questions about Congressman Yes in general, like, well,
- 1:54Speaker 2: first of all, what are the most urgent issues facing
- 1:57Speaker 2: you think a lot of your constituents right now?
- 2:00Speaker 3: Affordability life is just really hard for people to afford.
- 2:06Speaker 3: You'd be surprised Minneapolis, outside of New York City and
- 2:11Speaker 3: LA is one of the most expensive non coastal cities
- 2:14Speaker 3: to live in, and so it's very hard for young
- 2:18Speaker 3: people to want to start a family. It's very hard
- 2:21Speaker 3: for people who want to start small businesses. It's hard
- 2:23Speaker 3: for people to buy a home. And so that's the
- 2:28Speaker 3: biggest challenge we have. And then obviously with what's been
- 2:31Speaker 3: happening with the federal government essentially punishing us because we
- 2:36Speaker 3: have refused to vote for Trump as Minnesotans, we have
- 2:42Speaker 3: dealt with Operation metro Search that has literally cost us
- 2:48Speaker 3: about a billion dollars or more in revenue to our state. Wow.
- 2:56Speaker 5: You know, congress Woman, I was in Minnesota. I went
- 2:59Speaker 5: to the around and I covered you know, Operation metro Search,
- 3:02Speaker 5: and I talked to some of your constituents. And first
- 3:04Speaker 5: of all, I just want to know, how are people
- 3:06Speaker 5: doing now that some of those ICE agents, some of
- 3:08Speaker 5: that federal operation has been pulled back.
- 3:11Speaker 3: Ah. That's a really tough question to answer, right because
- 3:16Speaker 3: you know, when Operation metro Search started, we had over
- 3:20Speaker 3: four thousand ICE and CPP agents on the ground. That
- 3:27Speaker 3: meant we had you know, tens, maybe twenty agents walking
- 3:36Speaker 3: every block in the city of Minneapolis. You know, schools
- 3:41Speaker 3: were shut down, people were not going to church, people
- 3:45Speaker 3: were not going to businesses. People were being snatched, people
- 3:49Speaker 3: were being disappeared. It was really hard for us to
- 3:51Speaker 3: figure out because they were taking them out of Minnesota
- 3:55Speaker 3: within hours after picking them up to Texas or Louisiana
- 3:59Speaker 3: or Arizona. So it's very hard for us to figure
- 4:03Speaker 3: out what was happening with people. And now we have
- 4:05Speaker 3: the reisual effects. You know, one of my business corridors
- 4:09Speaker 3: was losing thirty million dollars a month. That's going to
- 4:14Speaker 3: take long time for them to recover from that. Like
- 4:17Speaker 3: I said earlier, with our schools, we had only a
- 4:21Speaker 3: third of the students attending. So for two months you
- 4:25Speaker 3: had students that were either virtual or not getting any
- 4:29Speaker 3: education at all. So now that they are coming back
- 4:32Speaker 3: to the schools, there's a lot of adjustment that has
- 4:35Speaker 3: to happen. There's the loss of resources to the schools
- 4:40Speaker 3: to create the adjustment that's needed. There's a lot of
- 4:43Speaker 3: mental health support and trauma that people are dealing with.
- 4:46Speaker 3: There are still people who are afraid who are citizens,
- 4:48Speaker 3: some that are born here, some that have proper documentation
- 4:51Speaker 3: to stay in this country, that are still afraid to
- 4:54Speaker 3: go to work, that are still afraid to send their
- 4:56Speaker 3: kids to school, that are still afraid to shop or
- 5:00Speaker 3: have their their businesses open. And so, you know, we
- 5:03Speaker 3: have a rough estimate of about a billion dollars that
- 5:07Speaker 3: the impact economic impact is, but that personal and human
- 5:12Speaker 3: impact we might never really know what what that costs
- 5:16Speaker 3: will look like.
- 5:17Speaker 2: What about the human impact of when when when Trump
- 5:19Speaker 2: called for the deportation.
- 5:20Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I mean, so he's got a weird fascination
- 5:25Speaker 3: with Somali's You know, we were still trying to figure
- 5:28Speaker 3: out where where that's from. Some say that no, I
- 5:32Speaker 3: think now the rumor is he had a crush on
- 5:35Speaker 3: the model Ymon and she rejected him. And apparently, you know,
- 5:40Speaker 3: decades later, we're all being punished because she chose David
- 5:46Speaker 3: Bowie over him. And you know that that that man
- 5:50Speaker 3: holds a grudge. Yes, yes, yeah, it's out there. I
- 5:59Speaker 3: don't know, I didn't start.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Wow.
- 6:04Speaker 3: But anyway, so he convinced himself that there was this
- 6:08Speaker 3: community that he can punish, right, make an example of,
- 6:11Speaker 3: And he didn't realize that ninety eight percent of us
- 6:14Speaker 3: are either born in the United States, are people who
- 6:17Speaker 3: became naturalized citizens like myself, or have legal documentation or
- 6:22Speaker 3: refugee status to be in this country. And so when
- 6:25Speaker 3: he came in, you know, he sent these people. They
- 6:27Speaker 3: were going to these shopping centers, they were going to
- 6:29Speaker 3: these neighborhoods. They were looking essentially for anyone that looked Somali,
- 6:34Speaker 3: which meant, you know, a lot of people were getting
- 6:37Speaker 3: caught up in that. And when all of it was done,
- 6:43Speaker 3: we know that less than three percent of the four
- 6:47Speaker 3: thousand people that they eventually detained were Somalis. Uh And
- 6:53Speaker 3: you know, they picked up about four thousand Somalis with
- 6:58Speaker 3: refugee status. They took him Texas to revet them, and
- 7:02Speaker 3: almost all of them will returned back because when you
- 7:06Speaker 3: are going through the refugee processing system and you're coming
- 7:10Speaker 3: to the United States, that vetting takes three four sometimes
- 7:15Speaker 3: up to ten years for people to be clear to
- 7:18Speaker 3: come to the United States. And so it was just
- 7:21Speaker 3: another waste of money. And he's convinced these people that
- 7:27Speaker 3: you know, there are hundreds of thousands of Somalis that
- 7:31Speaker 3: are in this country illegally, when just even the whole
- 7:35Speaker 3: number of Somalies that are in the United States is
- 7:38Speaker 3: less than two hundred thousand. And you know, when you
- 7:42Speaker 3: look at that number. Like I said, sixty percent of
- 7:46Speaker 3: Somalis that are in the United States are people like
- 7:49Speaker 3: my children who were born in the United States to
- 7:52Speaker 3: US citizens. So there isn't really much that he can do.
- 7:56Speaker 3: And then he went after the temporary protective status that
- 8:00Speaker 3: some Somalis had, and he thought it was going to
- 8:01Speaker 3: be as big of a number like the Venezuelans or
- 8:04Speaker 3: the Hasians, where it's in the hundreds of thousands. Well
- 8:08Speaker 3: it was only like less than three hundred Somalies that
- 8:12Speaker 3: were impacted in that temporary protected status. And now the
- 8:17Speaker 3: courts are telling him that he can't cancel the temporary
- 8:20Speaker 3: protecting status unless he gives a reason why they shouldn't
- 8:24Speaker 3: be protected anymore. So it's a loss loss for him.
- 8:28Speaker 3: But I know that his megabase still very much believes
- 8:32Speaker 3: the lies that he's selling. They're very much upset. You know.
- 8:36Speaker 3: The man who attacked me at my town hall. One
- 8:39Speaker 3: of the reasons that he told his neighbors that he
- 8:42Speaker 3: was upset with me is that he was very much
- 8:45Speaker 3: looking forward to the mass deportation of Somalis.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Wow.
- 8:48Speaker 3: And because there was no mass deportation, he said, it
- 8:52Speaker 3: was my fault that I was protecting them. Somehow I
- 8:55Speaker 3: was more powerful than Trump. Wow, And so that he
- 8:59Speaker 3: then he had to come and punish me for.
- 9:01Speaker 1: What was that about? Do you have like an are
- 9:03Speaker 1: you allergic to applesider or something?
- 9:05Speaker 3: I really don't know. I mean, he's currently being held
- 9:09Speaker 3: without bail awaiting trial in federal prison, federal jail, and
- 9:15Speaker 3: so we'll see, you know, when his trial gets underway.
- 9:19Speaker 3: What he actually thought the vinegar was supposed.
- 9:21Speaker 1: To do to me? People A lot of people thought
- 9:23Speaker 1: that was stage.
- 9:27Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't I don't understand the
- 9:31Speaker 3: kind of conspiracy theories people sometimes come up with.
- 9:34Speaker 2: You think, if you think he was close to you
- 9:35Speaker 2: have stole a on because you did cock back a
- 9:37Speaker 2: little bit like I did.
- 9:38Speaker 3: I thought he spit on me and was walking away
- 9:41Speaker 3: after spitting on me. And if you know anything about me,
- 9:46Speaker 3: there is no way you're going to spit on me
- 9:48Speaker 3: and walk away.
- 9:48Speaker 4: So when I saw it, I was like I would
- 9:52Speaker 4: have been so like nervous that it was like acid
- 9:53Speaker 4: or something, but you were so like, yes.
- 9:57Speaker 3: It didn't touch me. I just saw his mouth and
- 10:00Speaker 3: I saw some liquid before I could feel because it
- 10:04Speaker 3: was on my sweater. I think a lot of my
- 10:07Speaker 3: locally elected colleagues like had stuff hit their hands and
- 10:11Speaker 3: you know that's why they were freaking out because they
- 10:13Speaker 3: could see it. To me, my thought was, Okay, he
- 10:17Speaker 3: just spit on me, and this man thinks he's gonna
- 10:18Speaker 3: walk away and I'm a beach ass like that must.
- 10:21Speaker 2: Have happened to you before in life. No, okay, okay, okay,
- 10:26Speaker 2: because you had a visceral reaction immediately that.
- 10:28Speaker 3: You I did. That's the level of disrespect that you
- 10:31Speaker 3: know where I come from, It's not okay.
- 10:33Speaker 1: Absolutely.
- 10:33Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 10:34Speaker 4: Do you ever get tired of like fighting back? I
- 10:37Speaker 4: mean yeah, do you ever get tired of fighting back
- 10:39Speaker 4: within like the media wars that happened because of like
- 10:42Speaker 4: the words that they use, like a JD event's on
- 10:44Speaker 4: the podcast and you know you committed immigration fraud in
- 10:47Speaker 4: like do you.
- 10:47Speaker 6: Ever just be like, oh, Maverick.
- 10:52Speaker 3: No, because if they want to have the fight, I'm
- 10:55Speaker 3: ready to have the fight. I'm also really secure and
- 10:59Speaker 3: the fact that I didn't do anything, and I know
- 11:02Speaker 3: that it's about giving like red meat to their deranged
- 11:08Speaker 3: base that tends to believe stuff like that. They tend
- 11:12Speaker 3: to think, you know, somehow we African immigrants are shady
- 11:16Speaker 3: in some kind of way. And it's not surprising to
- 11:20Speaker 3: me when you have you know, Trump and JD fans saying,
- 11:25Speaker 3: you know, Haitians are eating cats and dogs, and then
- 11:27Speaker 3: people believe it, and then you ask them, they're like, well,
- 11:30Speaker 3: you got to make up a narrative, you know, for
- 11:32Speaker 3: people to go along with, Like that tells you the
- 11:36Speaker 3: kind of people that they are. And I'm not the
- 11:39Speaker 3: kind of person that's like, oh, that's a hurtful thing
- 11:42Speaker 3: for you to say, and I'm gonna cry about it.
- 11:44Speaker 3: I'm the kind of person that's like, oh, you said that,
- 11:45Speaker 3: I'm gonna say some shit about you too. I like that.
- 11:49Speaker 6: Yeah, actually too.
- 11:50Speaker 5: You know, with Christina I'm no longer leading, Oh my god,
- 11:53Speaker 5: that your eyes with her no longer leading Department of
- 11:57Speaker 5: Homeland Security though, But do you think that that will
- 12:00Speaker 5: were form ICE in any kind of way? Do you
- 12:02Speaker 5: think they we're still going to see that same level
- 12:04Speaker 5: between ICE and custom border control that we saw with
- 12:07Speaker 5: her under Mark Waynemuller.
- 12:10Speaker 3: You know, I believe as Senator Tilli's and Senator Kennedy said,
- 12:17Speaker 3: she took an issue that for them was an eighty
- 12:22Speaker 3: twenty issue. And made it a twenty eighty issue. I
- 12:27Speaker 3: think they underestimated the victorial reaction people would have to
- 12:33Speaker 3: seeing a militarized messed men with machine guns roaming the
- 12:39Speaker 3: cities of America and what it would look like once
- 12:47Speaker 3: they murdered to white people in a state that is
- 12:53Speaker 3: a majority heavily majority white state. And so I do
- 12:59Speaker 3: believe believe that they are going to restrain themselves. I
- 13:06Speaker 3: believe that they understand that they can no longer do
- 13:09Speaker 3: what they did not in Chicago, not in LA and
- 13:12Speaker 3: certainly not what they did in Minneapolis. I am optimistic
- 13:19Speaker 3: that when we have the majority, the reforms that we
- 13:25Speaker 3: propose will ultimately become low.
- 13:28Speaker 5: So with that being said, though, do you think something
- 13:29Speaker 5: will happen now with the partial government shutdown? You know,
- 13:32Speaker 5: Senate Democrats want one thing. House Republicans want something else,
- 13:35Speaker 5: like where House Democrats want something? So where where do
- 13:39Speaker 5: you think that will land?
- 13:41Speaker 3: It is my belief that when we are back in
- 13:44Speaker 3: session tonight, yes, that the Republicans are going to approve
- 13:51Speaker 3: the rest of the funding like we've been asking for
- 13:54Speaker 3: for the Department of Homeland Security without funding for CPP
- 13:59Speaker 3: and ICE. We understand that CPP and ICE has a
- 14:03Speaker 3: slush fund that was given to them in the big
- 14:06Speaker 3: Ugly bill. Those are you know, that's seventy seven billion
- 14:10Speaker 3: dollars that they can utilize essentially for the next five
- 14:15Speaker 3: to eight ten years. So it is I think unreasonable
- 14:21Speaker 3: to hold the rest of the department hostage to fund
- 14:26Speaker 3: part of that department that already has resources. When you
- 14:29Speaker 3: have TSA agents who haven't been paid, who are losing
- 14:34Speaker 3: their homes, you know, who are filing for bankruptcy, who
- 14:38Speaker 3: haven't been able to pay their credit card bills, who
- 14:41Speaker 3: haven't been able to have you know, are like now
- 14:44Speaker 3: getting food that's being donated to them when they are
- 14:47Speaker 3: actually working in a dignified job. We also have the
- 14:51Speaker 3: Coastguard that is cut up in that, the Secret Service
- 14:57Speaker 3: that watches over the cabinet and the President is caught
- 15:03Speaker 3: up in that. We also have, you know, our security
- 15:08Speaker 3: apparatus that you know, our National security apparatus that is
- 15:11Speaker 3: tied into that. So I think it's been too long
- 15:14Speaker 3: for them to come to the table. I do believe
- 15:16Speaker 3: that the senators, both on the Republican and Democratics side,
- 15:20Speaker 3: were right to send us the bill that they did.
- 15:24Speaker 3: I was shocked that as we were going on recess,
- 15:28Speaker 3: that the Republicans in the House chose to not approve
- 15:32Speaker 3: that bill and were willing to just have this suffering
- 15:36Speaker 3: continue for another two weeks, just again to be back
- 15:39Speaker 3: to the same table. So I do believe that either
- 15:43Speaker 3: tomorrow or Thursday, we will be able to pass something.
- 15:46Speaker 5: And to your point, because especially since both the Senate
- 15:49Speaker 5: Democrats and House Republicans they voted together to send it
- 15:52Speaker 5: to you guys.
- 15:52Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean after refusing, right, because Democrats, I think
- 15:57Speaker 3: there was like nine or eleven times they put these
- 16:00Speaker 3: single bills for a vote and the Republicans, you know,
- 16:04Speaker 3: John Thune said no in the Senate, and then eventually
- 16:07Speaker 3: they realized, Okay, we've got two weeks where we're not legislating.
- 16:10Speaker 3: It is not fair for these hardworking Americans to not
- 16:15Speaker 3: continue to get paid, so we'll just say yes and
- 16:19Speaker 3: allow for this to happen, hoping that their counterparts in
- 16:23Speaker 3: the House would do that. And then they called them stupid,
- 16:26Speaker 3: they called them idiots. They said they don't know how
- 16:28Speaker 3: to read a bill, they don't know how to write
- 16:30Speaker 3: a bill. And then you had, you know, a couple
- 16:34Speaker 3: of days ago where Mike Johnson is like, yeah, I
- 16:37Speaker 3: think they were right, and just the president wants us
- 16:40Speaker 3: to do it, like now they're going to do it,
- 16:42Speaker 3: and it's just it's it's a silly game, and you know,
- 16:46Speaker 3: it's one of those things that makes people really frustrated
- 16:49Speaker 3: when it comes to Washington, DC.
- 16:50Speaker 2: You said something earlier, you said, you know, when Democrats
- 16:53Speaker 2: get the majority, why do elected officials talk like that's.
- 16:56Speaker 1: Going to be so easy?
- 16:57Speaker 2: That is Donald Trump and his administration isn't going to
- 17:01Speaker 2: try everything in their power to make sure that doesn't happen.
- 17:05Speaker 1: What makes us think there's going to be free in
- 17:07Speaker 1: fair elections?
- 17:08Speaker 2: Like you mentioned ice, right, I already saw the sigh
- 17:11Speaker 2: up when they put ice in the airport.
- 17:12Speaker 1: There's no way those were the same people in the street.
- 17:14Speaker 2: They were so nice, they were so welcoming, they were
- 17:17Speaker 2: so helpful.
- 17:18Speaker 1: That is all to a plan.
- 17:20Speaker 2: So when he says, hey, we're putting ice at the
- 17:23Speaker 2: voting boosts come November, now you're going to see them
- 17:26Speaker 2: back in their mask, you know, throwing people to the ground.
- 17:29Speaker 2: So why do we act like it's just going to
- 17:30Speaker 2: be so easy to vote in November?
- 17:33Speaker 3: So I'll use Minnesota as an example. In the height
- 17:37Speaker 3: of Operation Metro Search we have. We had our caucuses,
- 17:43Speaker 3: So Minnesota is a Caucaus state just like Iowa, except
- 17:48Speaker 3: in Minnesota we caucus for every single office, and so
- 17:52Speaker 3: we thought, you know, there was a lot of talk
- 17:55Speaker 3: about making it virtual that they were going to show
- 18:00Speaker 3: up in caucus rooms, that they were going to stage
- 18:03Speaker 3: because these causes happen in school rooms right and community centers,
- 18:07Speaker 3: and so we were very much convinced that this was
- 18:10Speaker 3: going to happen. Nothing happened. We had one of the
- 18:16Speaker 3: highest caucus turnouts since the Eight Causes, which just tells
- 18:23Speaker 3: you just how excited people were and how much they
- 18:26Speaker 3: weren't going to allow fear to dictate whether they were
- 18:28Speaker 3: going to participate or not. And so I have faith
- 18:33Speaker 3: in the fact that people one will show up regardless
- 18:35Speaker 3: of what the threats look like. And two, I don't think,
- 18:40Speaker 3: like I said, the public sentiment is no longer with them,
- 18:46Speaker 3: and they're not going to risk losing any more public
- 18:49Speaker 3: sentiment in that regard. So that's where, at least for me,
- 18:54Speaker 3: where my optimism comes that elections will go as planned
- 18:59Speaker 3: and that if everything goes accordingly, we should be able
- 19:04Speaker 3: to take back the House and you know the Senate.
- 19:08Speaker 2: You know, it gave me optimism when Donald Trump said
- 19:10Speaker 2: he would pardon all his people when he said I
- 19:12Speaker 2: think he said that. He said last week he would
- 19:14Speaker 2: your pardners to everybody that came basically close to the
- 19:17Speaker 2: White House, because that lets me know, like.
- 19:19Speaker 1: Oh, they may not have a plan to be able
- 19:21Speaker 1: to take.
- 19:21Speaker 2: Things over, so you know, let me make let me
- 19:23Speaker 2: make sure I pardon all my people so we don't
- 19:25Speaker 2: end up going to jail.
- 19:25Speaker 3: Yeah, he also probably doesn't think they will be a
- 19:28Speaker 3: Republican that gets into the presidency after him.
- 19:31Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk to you about Congress. Do
- 19:33Speaker 2: you think Eric was that how he pronounced the last him?
- 19:36Speaker 2: You think he should have stepped down from Congress.
- 19:41Speaker 3: I don't know there was a way for him to
- 19:50Speaker 3: explain away the level of evidence that was being presented
- 19:59Speaker 3: in those kind of cases. Ethics moves a lot faster.
- 20:03Speaker 1: Republicans never explained, I know.
- 20:07Speaker 3: But you have Gonzalez also resigning, who doesn't who doesn't
- 20:12Speaker 3: have as much of a visible evidence against him as
- 20:19Speaker 3: much as Eric had h And I also think, you know,
- 20:23Speaker 3: when you've got three little ones, and you know you
- 20:27Speaker 3: have a wife that you're possibly trying to make amends
- 20:31Speaker 3: with having the kind of videos that are leaking out
- 20:36Speaker 3: there is worth it, and I you know, I can
- 20:42Speaker 3: I can understand that the desire to want to hold
- 20:45Speaker 3: on and to fight, But I don't know what it
- 20:50Speaker 3: looks like to subject your little children to images of
- 20:56Speaker 3: you at a hotel with a young woman that that
- 21:01Speaker 3: that that's just not something I think a lot of
- 21:06Speaker 3: young children.
- 21:08Speaker 2: I agree with that personally, I guess just politically, I
- 21:10Speaker 2: guess I don't know what consistency looks like, right, because
- 21:12Speaker 2: you can have Trump and so many Republicans with these accusations.
- 21:16Speaker 2: You can have even Biden can have accusations, but nobody
- 21:19Speaker 2: asked them to step down. Like it doesn't seem to
- 21:22Speaker 2: harm certain people politically, but it seemed to have really
- 21:25Speaker 2: hurt Eric politically.
- 21:28Speaker 3: Well. I mean, you know, Christinome once she was asked
- 21:31Speaker 3: in committee whether she was having an affair, that seemed
- 21:35Speaker 3: like that was the thing that led to it when
- 21:38Speaker 3: she couldn't answer. And so I just think that there's
- 21:41Speaker 3: some there are rumors that can linger, and there might
- 21:47Speaker 3: be you know, not nothing here and there, and then
- 21:53Speaker 3: there's videos of you in a hotel room being inappropriate
- 21:56Speaker 3: with a young woman and that has I think an
- 22:00Speaker 3: different impact and a call collation. And like I said,
- 22:04Speaker 3: I haven't gotten a chance to talk to Eric. That
- 22:09Speaker 3: to me, knowing him, knowing how little his children are
- 22:15Speaker 3: and how protective he is of his young kids, I
- 22:23Speaker 3: understand why he decided to just not continue to have
- 22:28Speaker 3: this this be part of their life.
- 22:30Speaker 2: And I'm not just as not in any defensive Eric.
- 22:32Speaker 2: Do you think that Democrats are too quick to cannibalize
- 22:35Speaker 2: their own.
- 22:36Speaker 3: Oh, certainly, certainly. I mean, you know, you had Katie
- 22:41Speaker 3: Hill that you know that was part of my class,
- 22:47Speaker 3: that was doing adult things that had nothing to do
- 22:51Speaker 3: with her work. I don't remember any of her constituents
- 22:57Speaker 3: calling for her to resign, but there was a lot
- 23:00Speaker 3: of pressure from Congress, from her colleagues, especially on the
- 23:05Speaker 3: dem side, for her to do so. There there is
- 23:09Speaker 3: a slow walk on the Republican side with Gonzales. There
- 23:13Speaker 3: were you know, it took a really long time. There
- 23:16Speaker 3: were few women on the Republican side who called for
- 23:20Speaker 3: his resignation. A lot of them were just asking him
- 23:22Speaker 3: to not run for re election. And so yes, I mean,
- 23:26Speaker 3: you know, even in Minnesota, when you you know you
- 23:28Speaker 3: remember Al Frank, Like you know, people were very quick
- 23:32Speaker 3: and now that comparison to all the all the stuff
- 23:40Speaker 3: that's out there today. But yes, I do, I do
- 23:44Speaker 3: think that there is this desire to have the moral
- 23:47Speaker 3: high ground in in these situations without realizing that, yes,
- 23:55Speaker 3: it is a battle and you know everybody's got shit sorry,
- 24:04Speaker 3: and you know, like you you have to figure out
- 24:07Speaker 3: what what the weaknesses are for your your team players,
- 24:12Speaker 3: how to insulate them from you know, some of those things.
- 24:18Speaker 3: Uh and and yes we we it's all numbers. You know,
- 24:23Speaker 3: we're we're going to be down by by one vote.
- 24:25Speaker 3: I know they will be too, but it those those
- 24:28Speaker 3: things matter. It's a matter of whether we are able
- 24:31Speaker 3: to get at discharge, petition and and govern as as
- 24:37Speaker 3: a minority as if we're in the majority or not.
- 24:40Speaker 3: The numbers are way slim for for the majority. So
- 24:44Speaker 3: every single vote matters in this moment.
- 24:48Speaker 5: And speaking of every single vote matters, you're running for reelection,
- 24:51Speaker 5: you So what do you want people to know about
- 24:54Speaker 5: your congressional leadership?
- 24:56Speaker 3: Yeah, in in what regard and just you know, we.
- 25:01Speaker 5: See you, we see you about fighting, We see everything that
- 25:03Speaker 5: you're doing. You're very very outspoken, is you know, and
- 25:07Speaker 5: there are certain things that are that are coming up
- 25:09Speaker 5: and you're fighting against Trump?
- 25:10Speaker 3: Will that continue?
- 25:12Speaker 5: What are you hoping to fight against this administration for
- 25:15Speaker 5: going forward?
- 25:16Speaker 3: I mean, I believe that it is really important for
- 25:22Speaker 3: Democrats to take this fight seriously. You know, we always
- 25:27Speaker 3: talk about democracy being on the line, but it's real.
- 25:29Speaker 3: We're seeing it every single day, right, Like Charme wouldn't
- 25:33Speaker 3: ask me about elections taking place fear and freely if
- 25:39Speaker 3: it wasn't because of everything that we're seeing that is
- 25:42Speaker 3: very worrying to to all of us. Uh And obviously
- 25:45Speaker 3: we understand that there is these unjust wars that he's
- 25:49Speaker 3: starting in Iran, the kidnapping of the president of Venezuela,
- 25:55Speaker 3: the threats to Cuba, you know, whatever he is saying
- 26:00Speaker 3: about Greenland that you know, what he's doing with our alliances,
- 26:05Speaker 3: how he's destroying our economy. There's just a lot for
- 26:09Speaker 3: us to challenge this administration on. But that can't be
- 26:13Speaker 3: the only thing we do, right. We also have to
- 26:16Speaker 3: figure out where are the opportunities, right, That's that's why
- 26:19Speaker 3: we've been utilizing discharge petitions because we see an opportunity
- 26:23Speaker 3: and we're like, Okay, here's a place where we can govern.
- 26:25Speaker 3: And I serve as the deputy chair for the Progressive Caucus,
- 26:29Speaker 3: and we lead a lot of these efforts because it
- 26:32Speaker 3: takes the Progressive Caucus oftentimes to see those opportunities right
- 26:36Speaker 3: to say, like, here's a chance where there's this fight.
- 26:39Speaker 3: I know that some of our moderate members within the
- 26:42Speaker 3: Democratic Caucus are cautious and you know, sometimes scared because
- 26:48Speaker 3: they represent districts where they rely a lot on you know,
- 26:52Speaker 3: moderate Republicans or independents to vote for them, where we
- 26:55Speaker 3: don't have that fear. And so we take the charge
- 26:59Speaker 3: in in in many of those cases. Uh and and
- 27:02Speaker 3: so you know, we we led the charge on holding
- 27:05Speaker 3: Christinum accountable in creating the ten point demand for DHS
- 27:12Speaker 3: reform before we vote for the full bill. And so
- 27:16Speaker 3: I see my role and my leadership in that. I
- 27:20Speaker 3: also serve as a ranking member for the for the
- 27:26Speaker 3: House the Education and Workforce we used to call it
- 27:30Speaker 3: Labor the Workforce Committee, and I'm I serve as the
- 27:34Speaker 3: ranking member for the Workforce sub Committee. I'm a former
- 27:37Speaker 3: labor union member, I'm a former educator, and so I
- 27:41Speaker 3: you know, I represent a very young one of the
- 27:43Speaker 3: youngest districts in in Congress, very heavy Union State and
- 27:50Speaker 3: UH district Uh. And so I I see my role
- 27:55Speaker 3: in bringing a lot of those voices, bringing a lot
- 27:57Speaker 3: of that fight and making sure that we have creative
- 27:59Speaker 3: ways that we're building not just relationships within our cocase
- 28:05Speaker 3: so that we fight like a family, but also that
- 28:08Speaker 3: we're building the relationships with the outside groups, you know,
- 28:12Speaker 3: with our outside family, so they understand the kind of
- 28:15Speaker 3: fights that we're having in Congress and why they're important
- 28:17Speaker 3: in that.
- 28:18Speaker 4: As you talk about you as a leader, I was
- 28:20Speaker 4: reading an article today about your comments on a major
- 28:23Speaker 4: Marjorie Telegreen and the fact that, like we should have
- 28:26Speaker 4: empathy for people like her who've realized all this stuff,
- 28:29Speaker 4: right as a leader, Like I understand the overall point
- 28:33Speaker 4: of that, Like it's two sizes and at one point
- 28:36Speaker 4: we all got to combine. But like, when she's a
- 28:39Speaker 4: person that has like said horrible things about you, right,
- 28:42Speaker 4: has accused you of like you know, everything that Trump
- 28:45Speaker 4: is administration lean on, why do you get to that point?
- 28:48Speaker 4: Like why not just like leave her where she is
- 28:50Speaker 4: and let her do what she thinks she's doing.
- 28:52Speaker 3: Oh, I'm good to leave her where she is when
- 28:55Speaker 3: do what she's doing.
- 28:55Speaker 6: I guess no.
- 28:57Speaker 3: I mean my point is this, if you were let
- 29:02Speaker 3: stray and you are adult enough, honest enough to say
- 29:09Speaker 3: I was wrong into believing that this was the right
- 29:13Speaker 3: direction for our country, and I want to join you
- 29:17Speaker 3: all because I now understand that you had it right.
- 29:21Speaker 3: I'm like, welcome, right, I'm glad you finally got here
- 29:25Speaker 3: because we believe that we are on the right side
- 29:27Speaker 3: of history. And so if you know this person that
- 29:31Speaker 3: was leading this mega movement that has been about the vision,
- 29:36Speaker 3: that has been about conspiracy theories, that has been about
- 29:39Speaker 3: you know, figuring out who is American and who you
- 29:43Speaker 3: know it's not depending on what their political opinions were,
- 29:47Speaker 3: it's now saying no, Actually, the person who made us
- 29:51Speaker 3: believe and called us to this movement is the person
- 29:55Speaker 3: who is an American, who is the person who doesn't
- 29:58Speaker 3: want the best interest for all ama in this country.
- 30:01Speaker 3: And I want to join those that now that I
- 30:04Speaker 3: now understand want the best for all of us. Now,
- 30:08Speaker 3: am I gonna be key keying with her? No?
- 30:11Speaker 4: Because that was gonna be my next question, because it's
- 30:13Speaker 4: like you make a comment like that headlines pick it up,
- 30:15Speaker 4: so now it's like, I know, like Obama got so
- 30:18Speaker 4: much like slack when he sat next to you know, Trump,
- 30:22Speaker 4: and they right. But my point is is if you
- 30:28Speaker 4: make comments like this and then and then they pick up,
- 30:30Speaker 4: and then you do see her out and about and
- 30:32Speaker 4: she wants to have these conversations and it's positive and
- 30:34Speaker 4: she's smile Like, how do you avoid that when you've
- 30:36Speaker 4: kind of opened the door for her to try and
- 30:38Speaker 4: do things like publicly be seen meshing and that's not
- 30:42Speaker 4: the message you want to send.
- 30:43Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there is a difference between
- 30:48Speaker 3: saying you have a change of heart politically and your
- 30:56Speaker 3: policy point views now aligned with mine, then saying you
- 31:02Speaker 3: just hate who I hate and we're friends now, or
- 31:08Speaker 3: I'm just going to be cordial because we're in public
- 31:10Speaker 3: and I'm just going to like greet you normally. I
- 31:13Speaker 3: think those three things are very different. What I'm saying
- 31:17Speaker 3: is that politically and policy wise, where she has arrived,
- 31:22Speaker 3: it's not much different than what we have been calling
- 31:25Speaker 3: for all along. She is not the kind of person
- 31:30Speaker 3: that if she was where she was, that I would
- 31:33Speaker 3: be sitting next to her funeral or not right, and
- 31:36Speaker 3: like high fiving and giggling with like that just I
- 31:39Speaker 3: think does send the wrong message because we are in
- 31:43Speaker 3: a political environment. And I also don't think like the
- 31:48Speaker 3: fact that you just don't like Trump or you're never
- 31:51Speaker 3: Trumper if you do not see things the way that
- 31:54Speaker 3: we see or what the direction that we want to
- 31:57Speaker 3: take this country policy wise, I don't. I don't think
- 32:02Speaker 3: like the list Cheney, like, that's not you still are
- 32:05Speaker 3: who you are politically, You're still are who you are
- 32:09Speaker 3: policy wise. So there is no reason just because you
- 32:12Speaker 3: don't think Trump should be president that you and I
- 32:14Speaker 3: should have anything in comment. So that's what I'm saying.
- 32:18Speaker 2: So when you're when you're calling for Democrats to show
- 32:20Speaker 2: grace to form of Trump supporters, what grace I am not.
- 32:24Speaker 3: Okay, No, it's not the Trump supporters. That's not what
- 32:26Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm saying if you had a change of
- 32:28Speaker 3: heart in regards to policy.
- 32:30Speaker 2: What if you're a Trump supporter who had a change
- 32:32Speaker 2: of heart policy Okay.
- 32:35Speaker 3: Not, you know, I mean, if you're List Cheney and
- 32:37Speaker 3: you're like, I'm not voting for Trump, but I I'll
- 32:41Speaker 3: vote for Harris, But you still hold right the all
- 32:46Speaker 3: of your policy views that align with Trump. That means
- 32:50Speaker 3: that means nothing to me. I don't so what about.
- 32:52Speaker 1: Former Trump supporters like the Marjorie Tailor Greene.
- 32:54Speaker 3: But if you're marginally tailed green and you say this
- 32:58Speaker 3: man is taking us to wars that will destroy us
- 33:02Speaker 3: and our resources in the future of our children, that
- 33:05Speaker 3: is a policy position I have. I'm anti wall right.
- 33:08Speaker 3: I've got little kids. She's got, you know, like young adults.
- 33:12Speaker 3: I've got young adults. And this is one of the
- 33:15Speaker 3: we had a conversation about this when we were talking
- 33:17Speaker 3: about the genocide in Gaza. You know that that's why
- 33:20Speaker 3: she came to it. She was like, my daughter was
- 33:22Speaker 3: talking to me about it, showing me the images, and
- 33:25Speaker 3: I told her about my daughter, you know, in her
- 33:28Speaker 3: advocacy when she was at Columbia as a student. And
- 33:32Speaker 3: so I believe if you have changed the way you
- 33:36Speaker 3: see policy, there is a difference that makes a difference.
- 33:44Speaker 3: I do not think it's okay if you've just changed
- 33:48Speaker 3: who you like and dislike.
- 33:50Speaker 1: What does grace look like without letting those people off
- 33:54Speaker 1: the hook.
- 33:56Speaker 3: Grace looks like saying I agree when they make a
- 34:01Speaker 3: policy point of view. Grace looks like not dismissing when
- 34:07Speaker 3: somebody wants to join your coalition not just as a
- 34:13Speaker 3: voting block, but as an advocate for the policies that
- 34:17Speaker 3: you believe will create a better world for all of us.
- 34:23Speaker 3: Grace means that we find places of agreement, and we
- 34:34Speaker 3: work together to try to further those places, to expand
- 34:40Speaker 3: those places, and so that we can include others, because ultimately,
- 34:45Speaker 3: you know, why do I make the sacrifices I make.
- 34:47Speaker 3: I've got little kids, I'm mama for you know, there's
- 34:52Speaker 3: a lot of things I could do in my life
- 34:55Speaker 3: that is not about being on a flight two to
- 34:57Speaker 3: three times a week. That is not you know, being
- 35:00Speaker 3: on the House floor voting until you know two three
- 35:03Speaker 3: in the morning, missing my daughter's graduation celebration, or not
- 35:08Speaker 3: being able to go to my youngest daughter's track meet
- 35:12Speaker 3: her nationals. That sacrifice is so that I can fight
- 35:18Speaker 3: to create a world that is better than the one
- 35:21Speaker 3: we have today. That it's about creating a promised future
- 35:26Speaker 3: that is better for my kids and their kids and
- 35:29Speaker 3: for all of our kids. And so if I can
- 35:32Speaker 3: find anyone and everyone that is willing to work with
- 35:38Speaker 3: me to create that better future, not just here in America,
- 35:41Speaker 3: but for the people around the world, you're my partner
- 35:45Speaker 3: in that. And so to me, I don't you know,
- 35:49Speaker 3: somebody said in Congress, if you in Washington, if you
- 35:52Speaker 3: want a friend, get a dog, you know, Like people
- 35:55Speaker 3: ask me, like, who are your friends in Congress? Like,
- 35:59Speaker 3: my friends are the people on the House floor that
- 36:02Speaker 3: I talk to about how we get people to vote
- 36:04Speaker 3: the right way. Like That's That's why I'm there in Congress.
- 36:09Speaker 3: I'm not there to you know, hang out with people
- 36:13Speaker 3: and and do these kinds of things. I'm there to vote.
- 36:16Speaker 3: I'm there to influence policy. I'm there to have conversations
- 36:21Speaker 3: with colleagues in a respectful way to try to get
- 36:23Speaker 3: them where they need to go. And I'm there to
- 36:25Speaker 3: advocate for my point of view and the point of
- 36:27Speaker 3: view of the people that I represent. And there are
- 36:30Speaker 3: a lot of people in Washington where that is not
- 36:32Speaker 3: their objective. Their objective is you know, who who is
- 36:37Speaker 3: in my coalition in regards to you know, the special
- 36:40Speaker 3: interest groups that fund us. Who's in my coalition of
- 36:44Speaker 3: like you know, the next roommates I'm going to find
- 36:46Speaker 3: and the people I'm going to go to the receptions
- 36:48Speaker 3: and the happy hours with like, that's you know, I
- 36:51Speaker 3: take my votes, I go home. You rarely will see
- 36:54Speaker 3: me out and about in any of those Washington DC circles.
- 36:58Speaker 3: Because that's that is. That is not why I make
- 37:01Speaker 3: the life sacrifices that I make to be there. I
- 37:04Speaker 3: make those sacrifices because I love the idea of influencing
- 37:10Speaker 3: policy and being able to, as Pelosi used to say,
- 37:14Speaker 3: being part of the arena.
- 37:16Speaker 2: I love this conversation because I feel like we're going
- 37:18Speaker 2: to see a lot of this come November. Right, So,
- 37:20Speaker 2: if somebody spent years fueling division, what responsibility do they
- 37:25Speaker 2: have before they can be embraced again? Or doesn't even
- 37:28Speaker 2: matter if they're embraced. Do we have to embrace No,
- 37:30Speaker 2: I don't think.
- 37:31Speaker 3: You have to embrace them. I think embrace is you know,
- 37:35Speaker 3: It's like when people look at politicians as like role models,
- 37:42Speaker 3: they are not role models. These are people who make
- 37:44Speaker 3: decisions on behalf of you, sometimes that are positive and
- 37:49Speaker 3: sometimes that are negative. You need to pay attention to
- 37:53Speaker 3: how they vote, and you need to pay attention to
- 37:55Speaker 3: how they do not vote, the fact that they are
- 37:58Speaker 3: nice people when they come to your cookout, Like no,
- 38:02Speaker 3: that that has nothing to do with anything. And so
- 38:04Speaker 3: to me, that's that's always been my north star. I
- 38:08Speaker 3: don't I don't care if you are you know, the
- 38:11Speaker 3: most angry, frustrated human to talk with. If you vote
- 38:15Speaker 3: like I vote, if you care about the things I
- 38:17Speaker 3: care about, then I consider you an ally. You know,
- 38:21Speaker 3: you you might be the last person I want to
- 38:23Speaker 3: say hello to. You know, I'm not going to invite
- 38:26Speaker 3: you to the cookout, but like I will respect the
- 38:30Speaker 3: fact that you do the right thing and you can
- 38:33Speaker 3: be you know, I've I've we're in the minority. I
- 38:36Speaker 3: have chairmen in my committees that are you know, respectful,
- 38:41Speaker 3: they're kind, they send nice gifts to our offices. But
- 38:45Speaker 3: that's that. That has nothing, no bearing on the fact
- 38:50Speaker 3: that you are still voting to destroy my children's future. Yes,
- 38:55Speaker 3: and so that that to me, when I'm in that committee,
- 38:58Speaker 3: that is all I care about. And I'm you know,
- 39:01Speaker 3: people say, like my friend on the other side of
- 39:03Speaker 3: they all like that, that means nothing really in reality,
- 39:08Speaker 3: because the end of the day, we are all there
- 39:13Speaker 3: to do a job, and that job is two represent
- 39:19Speaker 3: our constituents. And that's that's that's all I'm there for.
- 39:23Speaker 2: You think Republicans would show you the same grace you're
- 39:26Speaker 2: asking for.
- 39:29Speaker 3: I don't know if I care, you know, I don't.
- 39:33Speaker 3: I was never the kind of person who's like I
- 39:36Speaker 3: want to be liked. I'm never concerned myself with those
- 39:41Speaker 3: kinds of things. I'd like to be respected, and so
- 39:45Speaker 3: to me that you know, that's you know, I don't
- 39:50Speaker 3: if you know. There's some Republicans who'll say stuff on
- 39:52Speaker 3: TV and I'll go up to them, I'm like, do
- 39:54Speaker 3: you would you like to say this to my face?
- 39:57Speaker 3: And when they'll walk away and then walk away right,
- 40:00Speaker 3: And so to me it's like you you know, or
- 40:02Speaker 3: some that are like nice to me in person, and
- 40:04Speaker 3: then they'll go on TV and they'll say something and
- 40:06Speaker 3: then I'll find them on the floor and I'll say, like,
- 40:08Speaker 3: this is the last time you say hello to me?
- 40:11Speaker 3: Because to me, you know, like respect matters. But we
- 40:16Speaker 3: don't gotta like each other, but you do have you
- 40:19Speaker 3: have like that's all I care for, it's respect.
- 40:22Speaker 2: Do democrats risk alienating their own base by extending grace
- 40:28Speaker 2: the people that the base may see is harmful?
- 40:30Speaker 3: Not when it comes to policy. I think there is
- 40:34Speaker 3: a risk in alienating your base when you embrace someone
- 40:38Speaker 3: like Liz Cheney without without without there being any accountability
- 40:45Speaker 3: or any sort of articulated change in a policy view.
- 40:52Speaker 3: To me, just wanting to save our democracy alone is
- 40:56Speaker 3: not enough. You'll have people who will criticize is a
- 41:02Speaker 3: progressive or a Bernie supporter, and they will say I
- 41:04Speaker 3: want them out of the party, but will be very
- 41:10Speaker 3: happy and celebrate to have someone like this Liz Cheney
- 41:15Speaker 3: as part of their team, who I believe is like
- 41:20Speaker 3: probably more one of the most harmful. Her and her
- 41:24Speaker 3: dad were one of the most harmful politicians we've had
- 41:26Speaker 3: in this country.
- 41:27Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I remember, Oh, I.
- 41:28Speaker 2: Remember that when Bush and Cheney with the anti Christ.
- 41:32Speaker 3: Oh god, But I mean they they were in a
- 41:36Speaker 3: certain way, right and and and Trump and JD. Fans
- 41:41Speaker 3: and Steven Miller are in their own way. I don't
- 41:45Speaker 3: think we've had one kind of anti Christ show up
- 41:49Speaker 3: the anti Christ show up in in our political life
- 41:55Speaker 3: at least. I think we're probably around the same age.
- 41:57Speaker 3: And so I do believe that it is. It's it's
- 42:01Speaker 3: different when you have somebody like Marjorie. And again in
- 42:10Speaker 3: that interview, I specifically picked her because people asked about
- 42:13Speaker 3: the Carlson and others like that's what I was. Yes,
- 42:16Speaker 3: I didn't know. No her because she was asked to apologize,
- 42:20Speaker 3: she you know she So I do think that when
- 42:23Speaker 3: people are like, yes, I did contribute to harm, Yes
- 42:27Speaker 3: I was wrong, Yes, I'd dedicated ten years of my
- 42:31Speaker 3: life in advocating for this man. Yes, you know all
- 42:35Speaker 3: of these things. But now like, I was wrong. This
- 42:39Speaker 3: is not like who I am. This is not what
- 42:41Speaker 3: I believe as opposed to you know, someone who's just like, Okay,
- 42:45Speaker 3: I'm I'm worried about our democracy and Trump can't get elected.
- 42:50Speaker 3: It's like, okay, what about all the other harmful policies
- 42:54Speaker 3: you've advocated for that that has cousted harm to so
- 42:58Speaker 3: many people that are part of our base. Because as Democrats,
- 43:03Speaker 3: we say we're a big ten. And so if you've
- 43:06Speaker 3: advocated for forever wars, you've got all of these immigrants
- 43:12Speaker 3: in this country that are victims of those wars that
- 43:16Speaker 3: are mostly part of the Democratic coalition. If you've advocated
- 43:22Speaker 3: for the war on drugs, you've got a whole coalition
- 43:27Speaker 3: of people within the Democratic Party that have been the
- 43:32Speaker 3: victims of those policies. If you've advocated for anti you know,
- 43:39Speaker 3: queer policies. That's part of the democratic So there has
- 43:44Speaker 3: to be some accountability in say in at least asking
- 43:48Speaker 3: this person like, are you willing to take some of
- 43:51Speaker 3: this back? Have you reformed your way of thinking? And
- 43:56Speaker 3: if that's not what they're doing. And I'm not saying
- 43:58Speaker 3: like I can't for president, but hypothetically if I was
- 44:01Speaker 3: running for president, I don't know if I would want
- 44:03Speaker 3: marjoritailored Green at a rally with me, right Like, that's
- 44:06Speaker 3: the there's a difference between saying like, thank you for
- 44:09Speaker 3: coming to this position, and there's a difference between saying
- 44:12Speaker 3: thank you for coming to this position and now, let
- 44:16Speaker 3: me like highlight you as like this hero, which Liz was.
- 44:21Speaker 3: And I don't think any of us are thinking about
- 44:24Speaker 3: highlighting marjor Retailer Green as like a hero.
- 44:27Speaker 4: I think that's the like for people who at a
- 44:30Speaker 4: basic level or understanding politics right now because it's affecting
- 44:33Speaker 4: them directly. The part that's probably still a little gray.
- 44:36Speaker 4: I know for me is like when I see the
- 44:39Speaker 4: interview like that, but I know when it comes to
- 44:42Speaker 4: policy and voting and working together on things, y'all have to.
- 44:46Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm watching you be attacked
- 44:48Speaker 4: from all these different ways, and you're one of the
- 44:50Speaker 4: people that's in the front for us. I'm like trying
- 44:52Speaker 4: to make you know, like where does that line you know,
- 44:55Speaker 4: get drawn? Because even with all the conversations right now
- 44:58Speaker 4: about you know, the oversight commit you and your husband
- 45:01Speaker 4: and your businesses, and I've seen you say that you
- 45:03Speaker 4: think that this is just a distraction, right, But like
- 45:06Speaker 4: when things like that happen, it's like, but those saying
- 45:09Speaker 4: people are the people you're telling us to have empathy
- 45:11Speaker 4: for and want to go have conversations with, like people
- 45:14Speaker 4: on the other side who are suggesting that you be investigated.
- 45:16Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, and I listen suggest all you want.
- 45:23Speaker 3: Please investigate what you want right, Like to me, I'm
- 45:27Speaker 3: not like I'm above the law, and how dare you
- 45:30Speaker 3: you know? Like I understand politics, I understand what these
- 45:38Speaker 3: people have to do in order to feed their base.
- 45:44Speaker 3: I the other day was listening to somebody who I've
- 45:49Speaker 3: traveled with, who've met his wife, who you know, we
- 45:53Speaker 3: spend a whole week doing a codel together, and he
- 46:00Speaker 3: was on a podcast saying Ohan hates me and Ohan
- 46:03Speaker 3: hates you, And I was like, man, that's some wild
- 46:10Speaker 3: stuff to say. But I realized, Yeah, I realized that
- 46:14Speaker 3: he was on this right, like he was on this podcast,
- 46:17Speaker 3: and like that was like his way of you know,
- 46:20Speaker 3: let me get some click right and and and I
- 46:24Speaker 3: mean I wouldn't be that person. I wouldn't be like
- 46:26Speaker 3: this person hates me, because I like, we wouldn't have
- 46:29Speaker 3: had all these conversations if you hated me and so
- 46:32Speaker 3: to me. I get that stuff. What I'm talking about is,
- 46:40Speaker 3: are you going to vote for these things that we
- 46:43Speaker 3: want voted on? Right? Are you going to oppose the
- 46:48Speaker 3: things we want a post on?
- 46:49Speaker 1: I get it.
- 46:50Speaker 3: You know, if if you and I are like cursing
- 46:52Speaker 3: each other out, but at the end, you know, like
- 46:55Speaker 3: if we're siblings, right and we're cursing each other out,
- 46:57Speaker 3: we're battling, someone else comes and says something to you,
- 47:00Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like, what you want to fight? Right? Like,
- 47:04Speaker 3: I'm not so to me. There, if we if we
- 47:07Speaker 3: can be on a team to get these policies that
- 47:11Speaker 3: are helpful for the bottom line for every struggling American,
- 47:18Speaker 3: let's do that.
- 47:19Speaker 6: I get it, I think.
- 47:20Speaker 3: But if it is about like all the other stuff, yes,
- 47:26Speaker 3: then we'll battle because that's necessary. And so that's kind
- 47:30Speaker 3: of my distinction between those two buckets, if that makes sense.
- 47:35Speaker 1: Just let's stay here for a second.
- 47:37Speaker 2: Republicans, like Lawrence said, they are pushing this ethics probe
- 47:40Speaker 2: over your family's finances and your.
- 47:41Speaker 1: Husband's business felings. What do you think that's really about?
- 47:43Speaker 1: It the accountability of politics.
- 47:46Speaker 3: Well, it's not accountability because they haven't done anything formally, right,
- 47:50Speaker 3: So it is just politics. It's like we're gonna subpoena,
- 47:55Speaker 3: We're going to do that. It's like it's all of
- 47:56Speaker 3: these things that are not they're never going to do.
- 48:02Speaker 3: So they're they're just saying it because then that gets
- 48:04Speaker 3: them an interview on Fox or Newsmax or you know,
- 48:08Speaker 3: you'll see they tweet in like five minutes later if
- 48:10Speaker 3: you check, they already got a clip of themselves being
- 48:13Speaker 3: interviewed five seconds later. H And so it is more
- 48:17Speaker 3: about and and it's usually like a lot of members
- 48:22Speaker 3: that struggle to get or are like really desiring, right, Like,
- 48:26Speaker 3: there are a lot of members who come to Congress
- 48:30Speaker 3: and there they are colms heavy. Their office is very
- 48:34Speaker 3: colms heavy. You know, they're trying to get on every
- 48:37Speaker 3: TV show that they can and so I that's that's
- 48:42Speaker 3: what a lot of it is like driven by since
- 48:44Speaker 3: I got there. You know. It's like you say something
- 48:47Speaker 3: about Ohan people fundraise, you know they got They're buying
- 48:50Speaker 3: me a ticket back home. It's like it's all of
- 48:53Speaker 3: this stuff.
- 48:54Speaker 1: You know.
- 48:54Speaker 3: I joked with Nancy May so she could drop off
- 48:56Speaker 3: the ticket because I'm next door to her office. She
- 48:59Speaker 3: hasn't off a ticket yet. If you mean it, send
- 49:02Speaker 3: me that ticket, you know. But it's all about, you know,
- 49:05Speaker 3: how do I get this click? How do I you know,
- 49:07Speaker 3: then send the fundraising email? How do I say?
- 49:10Speaker 5: You know?
- 49:10Speaker 3: I'm holding Ihan accountable? There's never really anything that they're
- 49:15Speaker 3: so do you holding onto you? So?
- 49:17Speaker 5: Are you saying that some of these investigations are more
- 49:19Speaker 5: partisan than others. I haven't seen the Justice Apartments is
- 49:22Speaker 5: that they're also going to look into your husband.
- 49:24Speaker 3: Are you concerned about that? They haven't said, I haven't
- 49:26Speaker 3: seen a single investigation I've If you know of something,
- 49:31Speaker 3: let me know.
- 49:32Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it an investigation.
- 49:33Speaker 2: There's has been a focus on the rapid increase in
- 49:36Speaker 2: your household wealth tied to your husband's company.
- 49:39Speaker 6: Well, they have to make a choice to investigate, right, Like,
- 49:42Speaker 6: do they choose?
- 49:44Speaker 3: I mean, if you've done something illegal, you would.
- 49:50Speaker 6: Investigate, But they're not investigating you.
- 49:53Speaker 3: I am not being aware made aware of an investigation
- 49:57Speaker 3: into me or my family.
- 49:59Speaker 2: But when you look at the reason your household wealth
- 50:01Speaker 2: tied your husband's companies, you understand why that raises questions
- 50:03Speaker 2: for people watching from that.
- 50:05Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's but that's again one of the it's
- 50:09Speaker 3: there saying right like, there is no wealth increase. If
- 50:12Speaker 3: you look at my husband's income, it's almost non existence.
- 50:16Speaker 3: Is you know, helped make sure our children are you know,
- 50:20Speaker 3: going to college and our young one is taking care
- 50:24Speaker 3: of there There there is no there is no wealth.
- 50:28Speaker 3: There are ranges to businesses that he was invested in.
- 50:31Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. I don't even know what what do
- 50:37Speaker 3: you say?
- 50:38Speaker 2: Yeah, they said you reported a network between six million
- 50:41Speaker 2: and thirty million, and they said your twenty twenty three
- 50:44Speaker 2: disclosure was roughly forty thousand, between forty thousand and a quarterment.
- 50:48Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're not they're not net worths. They're like
- 50:50Speaker 3: the asset things for the companies, And so I don't
- 50:54Speaker 3: know what percentage of it my husband actually has investment
- 50:58Speaker 3: in Like that's not you know what I mean, it's
- 50:59Speaker 3: not a a full picture of the numbers in the
- 51:04Speaker 3: way that it is presented in the document, because in
- 51:07Speaker 3: the documents, we have to do ranges and we have
- 51:11Speaker 3: to like report in a way that is not details.
- 51:14Speaker 3: It's not like your tax return that you're submitting for
- 51:18Speaker 3: the public record to see.
- 51:20Speaker 2: But that is a big increase, So you could understand
- 51:21Speaker 2: why people would.
- 51:23Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I'm pretty sure it'll get like adjusted
- 51:26Speaker 3: at some level when those ranges are looked at.
- 51:30Speaker 2: And I think I saw that your husband was asked
- 51:32Speaker 2: to turn over some documents but didn't comply.
- 51:35Speaker 1: So is that true?
- 51:36Speaker 3: Two from who?
- 51:38Speaker 1: I don't know? I guess I don't know.
- 51:40Speaker 6: The household Side Committee committee. That was what was reported that.
- 51:45Speaker 4: I think it was early on in like January February
- 51:46Speaker 4: that he was asked to turn over like emails and
- 51:48Speaker 4: different things.
- 51:49Speaker 3: Yeah, there is no over there There is no oversight
- 51:53Speaker 3: that the oversight committee has over my husband or me.
- 51:56Speaker 3: So why would you submit documents to an entity that
- 51:59Speaker 3: has nothing to do with you? Okay, yeah, Like that's
- 52:03Speaker 3: they have oversight over the government, and and Ethics is
- 52:08Speaker 3: the one that has oversight over the member, not the spouse,
- 52:11Speaker 3: and so yeah, I mean that's the thing. It's like
- 52:16Speaker 3: I get I remember, like I I've had maybe, like
- 52:22Speaker 3: I don't know, five campaign finance complaints, like they file
- 52:28Speaker 3: a complaint every other day and it and they want
- 52:31Speaker 3: the headline. And then once those things get closed, no
- 52:35Speaker 3: one writes about the fact that there was nothing there.
- 52:38Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure once you know this over, whatever
- 52:42Speaker 3: happens with whatever COMA and them were trying to insinuate
- 52:48Speaker 3: like nothing will be reported out of it because there's
- 52:50Speaker 3: only the accusations that ever get picked up that I've like,
- 52:55Speaker 3: never been fined. I've never had any sort of like
- 52:59Speaker 3: financial issue.
- 53:01Speaker 1: What about the fraud case of Minnesota with the feeding.
- 53:03Speaker 3: Which is again I think that is the reason they
- 53:06Speaker 3: are trying to create this thing is because they think
- 53:10Speaker 3: this suppose that thirty million or what of the presidents say,
- 53:14Speaker 3: forty four million is because of the fraud in Minnesota.
- 53:19Speaker 3: They think like I've somehow gotten something, which is insane,
- 53:23Speaker 3: but it's a it's a huge problem. I think it's
- 53:26Speaker 3: what now, two hundred and thirty million that has been
- 53:32Speaker 3: is it?
- 53:32Speaker 1: Well, well fifty is what they say.
- 53:35Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for child literrition. Yeah, two thirty to two fifty.
- 53:39Speaker 3: There's been about seventy seven or so h that have
- 53:45Speaker 3: been indicted. Many of them have taken plea agreements.
- 53:51Speaker 2: That makes it They're got to make it hard for you, right,
- 53:53Speaker 2: just in general. Not not because you're you're you got
- 53:55Speaker 2: anything to do with it. Yeah, but when he can
- 53:57Speaker 2: point and say, well, this is this actually happened.
- 54:00Speaker 3: I mean it, it doesn't make it hard for me,
- 54:04Speaker 3: but it does make it hard for you know, the
- 54:07Speaker 3: the the average Somali business owner there. It makes it
- 54:13Speaker 3: hard for the average immigrant business owner. It makes it
- 54:17Speaker 3: hard for the average black business owner because it does
- 54:22Speaker 3: create this cloud of suspicion. Uh. And you know, and
- 54:29Speaker 3: obviously it's become very politicized and it will continue to
- 54:35Speaker 3: be politicized as we get closer to November and the
- 54:41Speaker 3: level of harassment people are dealing with. You know, even
- 54:45Speaker 3: you'll have people go to restaurants, coffee shops with their
- 54:50Speaker 3: their cameras harassing all of these business owners and daycarees
- 54:53Speaker 3: and daycare centers where people have not been able to
- 54:57Speaker 3: take their children because they're scared. And so that aspect
- 55:02Speaker 3: of it is hard. When people ask like what can
- 55:04Speaker 3: I do? You know, how can you help? Like that
- 55:07Speaker 3: is where the where it's challenging because there isn't again,
- 55:12Speaker 3: there aren't any There isn't anything happening to them, but
- 55:16Speaker 3: they are afraid, and then they're asking for help. And
- 55:20Speaker 3: then because the government is not doing anything, we can't
- 55:24Speaker 3: get any information for them or we can't tell them
- 55:26Speaker 3: it's going to be okay. So it's just it creates
- 55:30Speaker 3: a lot of flog for us as their liaison to
- 55:35Speaker 3: the federal government. But it also creates a lot of
- 55:38Speaker 3: fog as they think about growth, development, sustainability, especially in
- 55:44Speaker 3: an economy where everything is hard. Because in Minnesota we're
- 55:47Speaker 3: also very much hit by tariffs. We're a border state.
- 55:52Speaker 3: We have a lot of a lot of entrepreneurs who
- 55:57Speaker 3: get goods from places like China and others. The tariffs
- 56:00Speaker 3: are also causing a lot of economic heartache.
- 56:04Speaker 2: I've got a few more questions you. You've been a
- 56:07Speaker 2: frequent target in misinformation. Yes, what's the biggest lie I
- 56:10Speaker 2: told about you that people still believe.
- 56:14Speaker 3: People believe.
- 56:16Speaker 1: I still spread maybe.
- 56:26Speaker 3: That I'm illegal in this country, which is like the
- 56:30Speaker 3: easiest one to prove, but people still hold on to
- 56:34Speaker 3: the fact that I'm I'm not a citizen, that there's
- 56:38Speaker 3: fraud in my immigration or I committed immigration fraud. Yeah,
- 56:45Speaker 3: that's probably the biggest one because that that's what fuels
- 56:48Speaker 3: my deportation headlines. That's why they're offering me tickets.
- 56:54Speaker 2: They use that any criticism you have whenever you have
- 56:57Speaker 2: in the country, they're like you've seen.
- 56:59Speaker 4: American you read at the bottom of says we investigated
- 57:03Speaker 4: this and it found no evidence.
- 57:04Speaker 3: But yet like, no, it doesn't. Yeah, no, it's a
- 57:07Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's it's I mean, it's again
- 57:09Speaker 3: like the Obama birther hoax, right he produces his birth certificate,
- 57:17Speaker 3: there's still you know, still lingers or I don't know
- 57:20Speaker 3: if you guys saw Hillary Clinton's deposition where they were
- 57:24Speaker 3: asking her about the children in the basement that doesn't
- 57:28Speaker 3: actually exist. There is no basement, and so the you know,
- 57:34Speaker 3: there's stuff like that that that that's that's out there
- 57:40Speaker 3: that probably will never go.
- 57:43Speaker 1: You think the.
- 57:43Speaker 2: Media holds you to a different standard than your than
- 57:45Speaker 2: your colleagues, and if soul media in what way, Like
- 57:55Speaker 2: I said, it's media in general, especially conservative media.
- 58:00Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I don't think media holds me too
- 58:04Speaker 3: too much to a different standard. I think when you're
- 58:09Speaker 3: different than everyone else in some ways, Uh, there's a
- 58:13Speaker 3: little there's always suspicion, you know, there is like always misunderstandings.
- 58:20Speaker 3: I've always been comfortable in the fact that you know,
- 58:22Speaker 3: I'm I come from a country whether you know, a
- 58:25Speaker 3: lot of Americans are not exposed to you know, I
- 58:27Speaker 3: have a faith that has always been demonized in pop culture.
- 58:34Speaker 3: So I you know, I'm the first black woman to
- 58:37Speaker 3: represent my state. You know, you just it comes with
- 58:39Speaker 3: you know, a lot a lot of new or first
- 58:42Speaker 3: comes with challenges. But the right is is obsessive and
- 58:51Speaker 3: that you know they're there. There's different kinds of obsessive.
- 58:58Speaker 3: And I noticed that they usually have those essions with
- 59:00Speaker 3: like women of color who have a platform. Uh yeah,
- 59:07Speaker 3: but also just have like name recognition, right because they're
- 59:10Speaker 3: the clicks are tied. Like I think if I if
- 59:12Speaker 3: nobody really knew who I was and I was a
- 59:14Speaker 3: member of Congress, Like, would I get this the attention
- 59:17Speaker 3: that they give me, because I don't think so, right,
- 59:19Speaker 3: I think they know, you know, if you put onhan
- 59:22Speaker 3: Omar in a headline, that people will open it, people
- 59:24Speaker 3: read it. And so I do think that they have
- 59:29Speaker 3: different levels of obsession. You know, they've got their weird
- 59:33Speaker 3: sexualized obsession with AOC or Alex. They have their you know,
- 59:40Speaker 3: angry black woman obsession with yeah or whatever weird awful
- 59:48Speaker 3: racists that I'm not going to say on the radio
- 59:52Speaker 3: that that they think black women are that they have
- 59:54Speaker 3: for her. And then they've got this scary immigrant Muslim
- 59:58Speaker 3: obsession with me. So you know, it's it's it's a
- 1:00:02Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's a thing. And I do
- 1:00:05Speaker 3: believe it has a lot to do with the fact
- 1:00:10Speaker 3: that they have no exposure culturally too much, the fact
- 1:00:16Speaker 3: that they are missing something in their in their lives
- 1:00:21Speaker 3: and just cannot understand how women that that they deem
- 1:00:28Speaker 3: less have achieved more than them. And I do believe
- 1:00:34Speaker 3: it also has to do with like the the like
- 1:00:42Speaker 3: who they think deserves what. It's it's weird because in
- 1:00:47Speaker 3: some in some ways, our our ability to stay in
- 1:00:54Speaker 3: the news is like mostly because of their obsession. But
- 1:01:01Speaker 3: then they get upset that people pay attention to us.
- 1:01:03Speaker 3: So it's it's a it's like, just maybe leave us
- 1:01:06Speaker 3: alone and then you know, we could have a peaceful
- 1:01:08Speaker 3: life too.
- 1:01:10Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my last ques.
- 1:01:12Speaker 2: How do you fight those narratives when they spread fasted
- 1:01:14Speaker 2: in facts?
- 1:01:17Speaker 3: I mean, I know who I am. I know that
- 1:01:21Speaker 3: my constituents know who I am. I've had you know,
- 1:01:25Speaker 3: my my first primary, they spent twenty million dollars. Wow.
- 1:01:31Speaker 3: I had had one of the most expensive primaries in
- 1:01:35Speaker 3: the history of Congress. I was I'll spend four to one,
- 1:01:39Speaker 3: crazy stuff on TV. And I won that primary by
- 1:01:44Speaker 3: over twenty points.
- 1:01:45Speaker 1: Wow.
- 1:01:46Speaker 3: And so I feel blessed in the fact that I
- 1:01:49Speaker 3: have a very engaged constituency and very active constituency. You know,
- 1:02:00Speaker 3: we have one of the highest vote to turn out
- 1:02:02Speaker 3: in my district and in our state. And so I
- 1:02:07Speaker 3: the way I fight it is by knowing that my
- 1:02:11Speaker 3: people got me. My people know who I am, my
- 1:02:13Speaker 3: people know my story, and you know what I get it.
- 1:02:17Speaker 3: And you know, we laugh about a lot of this stuff, actually,
- 1:02:20Speaker 3: you know, because it's just almost every single thing they
- 1:02:26Speaker 3: say I did wrong is something that if you were
- 1:02:32Speaker 3: part of an administration, it would take you two minutes
- 1:02:35Speaker 3: to indict me, right, like if I'd committed immigration fraud,
- 1:02:41Speaker 3: Like there's no reason that you shouldn't be able to
- 1:02:46Speaker 3: That's huge job. That is what we do more than
- 1:02:49Speaker 3: it is about. And like if I you know, if
- 1:02:51Speaker 3: you looked there, you know they looked at my finances.
- 1:02:54Speaker 3: If you looked at my finances, you indict people for less.
- 1:02:58Speaker 3: If you say, and somehow I sold the thirty million, sure,
- 1:03:01Speaker 3: like by all means, you know, everybody you've indicted in Minnesota?
- 1:03:06Speaker 3: What are they like million each or something? Like the
- 1:03:10Speaker 3: member sitting member of Congress who you're saying is tole
- 1:03:13Speaker 3: thirty million is not the person you're gonna you know,
- 1:03:16Speaker 3: Like so so to me, I believe that there's a
- 1:03:19Speaker 3: level of intelligence that is required in order to civically participate.
- 1:03:28Speaker 3: And I am blessed that I am elected and represent
- 1:03:33Speaker 3: people that have that level of intellect to understand that
- 1:03:39Speaker 3: these things are created for a reason and you know
- 1:03:44Speaker 3: that they are not They're not there. And I also
- 1:03:47Speaker 3: will say, and I know Jasmine used to talk about this,
- 1:03:53Speaker 3: their desire, to quote us with all of this garbage
- 1:03:58Speaker 3: is to stop future ambitions that we might have. And
- 1:04:02Speaker 3: that's kind of what they do, right, Like if there's
- 1:04:04Speaker 3: a rising star that is a person of color, they
- 1:04:07Speaker 3: like try to find some way to make them a boogeyman,
- 1:04:12Speaker 3: and and it it hasn't worked and I'm I'm still
- 1:04:18Speaker 3: here better than ever.
- 1:04:20Speaker 2: Thank you for joining US, Congresswoman, Yes, thank you. What's
- 1:04:23Speaker 2: what's the website if they want to donate to your campaign?
- 1:04:24Speaker 3: Yeah, il hanomar dot com. I L H A N
- 1:04:28Speaker 3: O M A R dot com.
- 1:04:31Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining us. We wish you nothing
- 1:04:32Speaker 1: but peace, prosperity, and safety.
- 1:04:34Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you all.
- 1:04:35Speaker 1: This was fun. Is the Breakfast Club? Every day?
- 1:04:41Speaker 5: Up?
- 1:04:42Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club. Finish