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Who Killed Jersey? The Housewife or The Hustler? · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: On today's episodes of Alice, it's a King, we have to,
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  Speaker 1: at least for today, talk about Jersey. I know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know. We saw the finale, we saw the quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote reunion. Okay, but so much has happened since then
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  Speaker 1: that I need to just end the season on this note.
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  Speaker 1: And what better person to end the Jersey dialogue than
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  Speaker 1: like he does. You give your opinion, and I like
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  Speaker 1: about it, and look, my audience likes it when I
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  Speaker 1: have somebody on my show where we may agree, we
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  Speaker 1: may disagree, but you're somebody who just keeps it real.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to get into your thoughts. We just
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  Speaker 1: wrap Jersey in terms of the entire season. So much
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  Speaker 1: has happened since then, okay, and I want to get
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on a David. First thing first, let's just
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  Speaker 1: dive right into it. Great Catanya, the ex husband of Dolores.
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  Speaker 1: He recently did an interview, and he said, because David
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  Speaker 1: knows all things Jersey. By the way, Frank said that
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  Speaker 1: he heard allegedly that the network asked Teresa to step
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  Speaker 1: down as a housewife, that she wasn't fired, but that
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  Speaker 1: he heard she was asked to step down. David, did
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  Speaker 1: you hear that? And or do you believe it?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: I did not hear that, and I saw this. Then
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  Speaker 2: I read it again and it said yes. Frank said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I also heard that rumor. So it's like, not to
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  Speaker 2: be specific and play semantics, but it's like did you
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  Speaker 2: hear the rumor? Or did you hear it? Is a
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  Speaker 2: little different. It's like when he said, oh I heard
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  Speaker 2: one time, it implies it's from like the network or Dolores.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you're like I heard the rumor, like
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  Speaker 2: I read it again, and I'm like, oh, Also, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: does Frank really know what he's doing? I mean he
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  Speaker 2: should or We're many seasons in for Frank, but I
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  Speaker 2: really feel this is one where his phone is ringing
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  Speaker 2: now from Dolores and Teresa, and it's like and also,
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  Speaker 2: can I just say, I don't even know what the
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  Speaker 2: technical difference is between you've asked to step down. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we've asked you to step down, and if you don't,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to fire you. It doesn't sound like there's
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  Speaker 2: much of a difference. But I really don't believe this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I just think right now they really
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  Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing in Jersey, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they want to know, and I don't think they
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  Speaker 2: want to think about it, and I just think it's
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  Speaker 2: one big mess, and I just think it's like lower
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  Speaker 2: on their priority list than like today the day after
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  Speaker 2: the as you say, whatever you want to call it,
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  Speaker 2: reunion ends. I don't believe they're focusing on this right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: Not.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's a board of directors and they're asking the
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  Speaker 1: CEO who is involved in a scandal of a pyramid scheme,
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  Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme or like slept with the assistant? Do
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like to use the word
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  Speaker 1: step down, or like ask to leave the show? Like
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  Speaker 1: what is this corporate America? Like what are you talking
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  Speaker 1: about and I think that's why a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't like when the husbands or the men involve themselves
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  Speaker 1: in the women's business, right because the conversation that Frank
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  Speaker 1: had sort of intimates that he's aware of what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And I call bullshit on it. That's not how it works.
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  Speaker 1: You know, from my understanding and from my knowledge, they're
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  Speaker 1: not asking people to step down. They'll just tell you, like,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to renew your contract or, as we
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  Speaker 1: know famously, you're going to be put on pause. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So I called bullshit on it. Rumors are rumors. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that they're even thinking about the fate of
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  Speaker 1: Jersey today. My opinion is they wanted to see how
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  Speaker 1: the audience reacted not only to the finale, but also
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  Speaker 1: to the off the rails sort of reunion special. And
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  Speaker 1: based on the feedback that I've been seeing, David, it's
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  Speaker 1: still split. It's split. It's split. There's people who want
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  Speaker 1: Teresa and there's a large amount of people who want
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  Speaker 1: Melissa's team. What do you want, David, If you were
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  Speaker 1: part of the board of directors or rep the network
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  Speaker 1: and you had like final, say say it now exclusively,
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  Speaker 1: David who would you want to return to the Real
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  Speaker 1: Housewives in New Jersey?
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, that is different than who what
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  Speaker 2: I think is going to happen? Because can I just
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  Speaker 2: tell about Can I just tell you that I recorded
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  Speaker 2: this isn't like a plug for my own behind de
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  Speaker 2: Velvet World podcast, but I recorded about an hour and
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  Speaker 2: a half slowly looking at the camera of what I
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  Speaker 2: think is going to happen. Look, maybe I'm wrong. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, I want to go on record now that
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  Speaker 2: episode has not been released yet, but I now already
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  Speaker 2: need to do an intro to my own thoughts because
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  Speaker 2: my thoughts and I was so certain for this hour
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  Speaker 2: and a half, and I'm like, I can be wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but I want to document this have already changed since
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  Speaker 2: a week ago.
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  Speaker 1: So so you tape this a week ago, it's not
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  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, it's not out yet, but you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: although you already pre taped it, it's not out. You're
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  Speaker 1: saying your thoughts already changed like.
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  Speaker 2: A week and a half ago. And I'm still gonna
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  Speaker 2: put out the first episode. I'm just gonna do an
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  Speaker 2: intro and then I'm going to do a whole nother episode.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, maybe I am milking this Jersey train,
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  Speaker 2: but I really had thoughts and I was so like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what do I think is? I have to
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  Speaker 2: tell you I am more confused about the future of
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  Speaker 2: Jersey than I normally am. Like Atlanta, I was saying
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  Speaker 2: all long. I mean to me, I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was obvious. There's no Sanya's coming back, Marlowlane coming back.
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  Speaker 2: People were like, Chara's coming back. I'm like, there's no
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  Speaker 2: chance to raise Like I saw a clear vision for Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: Now we all know that that bus has now gone
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  Speaker 2: off the rails because Miss Moore is not there, and
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  Speaker 2: don't even get me started on that. But I had
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  Speaker 2: a pretty clear vision. But you know, and I think
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  Speaker 2: you normally could. This is so like part of me
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  Speaker 2: is like when you step away from it, It's like, look,
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  Speaker 2: it's like Beverly Hills. I said all season, all season
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  Speaker 2: that season of Lisa, and I said, there's no way
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Renn is coming back. People told me I was insane.
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  Speaker 2: I wavered a little bit and then I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: just saw it because I'm like, where is she going
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  Speaker 2: to go with this? It's like when you step away
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  Speaker 2: and you just have a week, a month, three months.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, we really really get rid of Teresa? Can we? Like?
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mean you and me. It's like we're
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  Speaker 2: in this, like it's all the rain drops are in it,
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  Speaker 2: all my people are in it. But for like the world,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like when she's on Kelly Rippa and Jennifer Lawrence,
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  Speaker 2: not just the famous people but the people that like
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  Speaker 2: dip in lightly and dip out, like Teresa really is
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  Speaker 2: the face of New Jersey. And then people will say
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  Speaker 2: to me, well, what about Vicky. Oh please, Vicky was
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  Speaker 2: never to the OC what THEESA is to Dow Jersey. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm correct thrilled, right, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying I'm thrilled with Teresa. This isn't like me being
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  Speaker 2: a Teresa fan. I just that's a whole nother story
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  Speaker 2: my personal feelings. But I just and yeah, maybe Nini maybe,
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  Speaker 2: But the difference to me, the difference is that Nini
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  Speaker 2: also didn't want to be there right, Like she was
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  Speaker 2: checked out, she phoned it in, she was doing scene,
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  Speaker 2: she thought she was bigger than the show. Teresa wants
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  Speaker 2: to be there. She has made that very clear. She
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  Speaker 2: needs the money I mean, who doesn't need you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the difference is like Teresa will show up
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  Speaker 2: and do the job. So but I used to say,
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  Speaker 2: there's no chance Teresa would ever go one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: like I was going to die on that cross. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to waiver now because I don't know, like
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  Speaker 2: why show that scene with Louie, Like Teresa wanted them
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  Speaker 2: to edit that out where he said, you know about
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  Speaker 2: Margaret's son, and they said, like, no, we're not editing
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  Speaker 2: that out. Sorry girl. So yes, it was an explosive
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  Speaker 2: but like if you really wanted Teresa back and Louie,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, like why would that scene be left
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  Speaker 2: in there? My mind goes to that and look, we can't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I've had her on my podcast like ninety
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  Speaker 2: five times at this point. Melissa's old Knows, I mean
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  Speaker 2: I always I always say, oh, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Happen to my audience too about I mean, I show
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  Speaker 1: themad knows, but explaining to them, I'm again, who is
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  Speaker 1: Melissa's old knows? She is?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I mean she is one of the bloggers, the
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  Speaker 2: main blogger that was kind of in Teresa's camp, and
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  Speaker 2: I really don't know the nuances, if she was paid,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it was, but she was one of the ones
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  Speaker 2: that was like there with Teresa and you know, Teresa's
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  Speaker 2: lawyer and Jenlla, like she was working and look, she's
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  Speaker 2: put out lots of screenshots. I personally believe everything she says.
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  Speaker 2: That's just me. We can go on and on about
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  Speaker 2: that if you want. But so she was working with them,
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  Speaker 2: and then there was strife within the camp and then
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  Speaker 2: she defected, so to speak, and now she's putting out
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  Speaker 2: all of their receipts. So, but this has become mainstream,
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  Speaker 2: like they are talking about it, Kelly Kelly, and it's
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  Speaker 2: in every interview, Andy's talking about it. So these bloggers,
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  Speaker 2: specifically Melissa's auld Knows, have shaped the season like they
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  Speaker 2: were season fourteen. Melissa's All Knows, whether she was on
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  Speaker 2: the Damn TV or not, was season fourteen. It was
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  Speaker 2: part of So Bravo was aware of all of this,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have all these other things that I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Margaret just recently said that yes, there is a police report,
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't need to show it to anyone. So Margaret
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  Speaker 2: says she showed it to Bravo. The police went to
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  Speaker 2: Bravo all of this apparently allegedly, as you say, because
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  Speaker 2: of Louis. So it's like, is it just like time
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  Speaker 2: for Teresa to go? You know? I mean I really
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  Speaker 2: see it both ways, don't you? Or do you see
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  Speaker 2: a clear vision of Teresa as Teresa and she'll never go?
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  Speaker 1: So this is what I will say to you. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you one hundred percent that this casting decision
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  Speaker 1: is definitely up in the air. I grew with you
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  Speaker 1: about Atlanta. I think with Atlanta we all kind of
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  Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall. I think with bh
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  Speaker 1: Biby Hills, we kind of saw things. Even Potomac, I
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  Speaker 1: would say with Potomac, listen, you and I love Candace
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  Speaker 1: Villa Bassett. I was shocked that she was returning. Shocked,
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  Speaker 1: but we all knew that there were gonna be big changes, right.
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  Speaker 2: And in retrospect it makes so much sense. You're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this actually makes sense that Candice isn't coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the thing is this, to me, though, I
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  Speaker 1: have never in the history of reality television seen a
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  Speaker 1: woman emerge as the face of an ensemble show, and
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  Speaker 1: the difference between her and other women who are quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote the Marquee name of their ensembles Kyle Richards of
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  Speaker 1: nine to two one oher Giselle and and and of Potomac. Right.
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  Speaker 1: The difference though, is there there's never been a New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey housewife who could hold a candle to the story
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  Speaker 1: that Teresa's personal life gives. There's there's never been one
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  Speaker 1: who was willing to expose and reveal everything that were
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  Speaker 1: going through. You know, the Old Jersey cast, and this
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  Speaker 1: is my experience, they were going to tell you things
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  Speaker 1: that were happening in real life, no shade, they were not.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of stuff going on behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes in their personal lives that a lot of them said,
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  Speaker 1: I will leave the shew before I even talk about that, Right,
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  Speaker 1: Melissa's biggest storyline to me was when she was looking
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  Speaker 1: for her long lost sister or something. And this is
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  Speaker 1: no shade to Melissa. I'm just comparing big storylines. Margaret
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  Speaker 1: never had a big storyline. Jennifer Aiden, who I loved,
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  Speaker 1: never had a big one. Bill cheating was a big one,
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  Speaker 1: but they nipped that in the butt, like she talked
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  Speaker 1: about it and that was it. You know. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like a continuous conversation, so to not have somebody willing
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  Speaker 1: to give that level of personal story to me will
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  Speaker 1: be a big problem. But what I also know is this,
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  Speaker 1: this Melissa's old Nos account, You're right, has definitely been
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  Speaker 1: a dark cloud over this season. Teresa and Jennifer Well,
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  Speaker 1: let me just say it separately. Teresa has denied any
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  Speaker 1: involvement with the blogger Melissa Oldnos in terms of giving
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  Speaker 1: her information to go against her cast. Teresa has said
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  Speaker 1: that I am Teresa Judais. I go after people myself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need people to do any of my work.
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  Speaker 1: She said that publicly. Jennifer Aiden has not specifically addressed it,
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  Speaker 1: not not not in detail. She told Andy on Watch
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  Speaker 1: What Happens Live that you know, fans get caught up
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  Speaker 1: in stuff and I've got the exact words, but it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't detailed. You have had Melissa's old No
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  Speaker 1: on your podcast. Who do you believe in all of this?
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe Melissa's oh knows? Or do you believe
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  Speaker 1: that it's so confusing that anything could be possible in
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  Speaker 1: this situation?
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  Speaker 2: You know, here's first of all, here's the thing. I
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  Speaker 2: how can I put this without getting into it? Like
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  Speaker 2: I in a way was involved, not like in this,
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  Speaker 2: but I had podcasts with certain people that I no
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  Speaker 2: longer podcast with. I mean, I believe basically everything Melissa's
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  Speaker 2: All Knows has said. Honestly, I do, because it's the
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  Speaker 2: same thing when I would die on that cross that
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  Speaker 2: Melissa was in the back of that car and she
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  Speaker 2: kissed this guy Nick. I am so convinced of it
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  Speaker 2: because I know I'm not best friends with these people,
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  Speaker 2: but I know the PR person that worked for you know,
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  Speaker 2: Jackie and Margaret and Melissa, and I know who went
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  Speaker 2: out at night and I know they went out with Nick,
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  Speaker 2: like I can picture it. I know, like Jim Leonard
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  Speaker 2: and Laura's Margaret I've met a million times in Vanessa
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  Speaker 2: Louis X. Like I know these people. No, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: friends with them, I'm not saying that, but I know them.
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  Speaker 2: I've met them, so I know things that were just happening.
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  Speaker 2: And I forget about the screenshots. I mean, what you
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  Speaker 2: mean to tell me, Well, first of all, can someone
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  Speaker 2: come up with this level of detail? I mean, like,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the thing, I'm not like either a Teresa
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  Speaker 2: fan or Melissa fan, Like that's maybe why you like me,
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  Speaker 2: Why your audience likes me. That is how I keep
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  Speaker 2: it real. I really am not pro Teresa or pro Melissa.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just I don't care. I just think of it
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  Speaker 2: as like a corporate big picture thing. I don't see
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  Speaker 2: how someone could come up with all these details day
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  Speaker 2: after day after day. I mean, I haven't paid her
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  Speaker 2: a penny to come on my podcast nine times and
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  Speaker 2: talk about all this. She's not getting paid for me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. So I don't think, like, what is
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  Speaker 2: the incentive other than the fact that you know you're
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  Speaker 2: pissed off at the way you were treated. I personally
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  Speaker 2: believe it, and knowing like a Jim Leonard and all
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  Speaker 2: these people, I truly believe it. I do, and knowing
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  Speaker 2: Louie I do. I do believe it. And that's not
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  Speaker 2: me not being a tree hugger. It's just that I
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  Speaker 2: believe it.
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  Speaker 1: No, the thing is this, That's why I wanted you
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  Speaker 1: on because obviously you are to me. To me, you
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  Speaker 1: are one of the only podcast hosts that have such
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  Speaker 1: a You play integral role in terms of knowing what
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: happens in Jersey. You used to be friends with Margaret Joseph.
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  Speaker 1: From my understanding, correct and you too had a falling out,
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  Speaker 1: so correct me when I get something wrong. You used
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  Speaker 1: to be friends with Margaret Joseph's you too had a
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  Speaker 1: falling out. Margaret was recently on to Teas in a
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  Speaker 1: Pot in addition to have the mcdone podcast. Margaret has
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  Speaker 1: said that she has denied trying to get in contact
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  Speaker 1: with Louis X prior to her words, prior to the
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  Speaker 1: gold dress she wore at the reunion, She has denied
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  Speaker 1: any involvement. She has said that, well, you know, after
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: talking to her, I kept in contact with her if
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: she says I like her dress, or she gave me
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: her thoughts on the show, I responded, but yeah. She
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: also sure she attended Joe Gorga's comedy show. But and
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I said hi to her, but we're not friends. Do
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you believe that Margaret had nothing to do with contacting
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Louis X to get information to use against him?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So I think Margaret, No, I don't believe that. I
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: think Margaret, you know, whether I mean a jockeye contact
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: at her first or this one or that one. No,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I believe Margaret was one hundred percent dming, texting whatever
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: with Vanessa all the time. That's my honest belief truly,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: So nobody's really innocent in this. I mean, do I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: think Melissa does all this with bloggers and exes and not? Really?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the joke about the whole thing is
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: like we have to write. I don't know if Melissa
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: gets her hands yeah, like she gets involved in Joe
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: gral Not really. So that's what I try to tell people.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Just because I believe everything out of Melissa's old nose
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: is mouth doesn't mean that I am. I mean, yeah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I was friends with Margaret and we're not friends anymore,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: so it's not like I'm team Margaret. I do believe
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that she with Vanessa and all this other stuff, Yeah,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Do I believe it happened yesterday? No,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I know, it was happening
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: What Margaret, when you guys were friends, Margaret tell you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: stuff just so that you're able to repeat it on air.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Well, see this is partly why. Well look, I don't know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you know, she might have told me things, but this
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: is really why. In my opinion, Like in my opinion,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: if you say why did we fall out, I would
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: say the beginning of the end I mean, I call
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: her the Sarge. It's her way or the highway, baby.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: So that is the whole thing. That's why I'm convinced
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: that Melissa's oul knows is telling the truth because I
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: was like part of this and I'll give you I'll
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: tell you something a minute, like I was part of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: this and not in not like that. But I knew
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: that there were certain podcasts and pages that were pro
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Margaret and probably worse. So she never that's a thing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: She never did it with me. Now did she tell
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: me things hoping I would repeat them? I don't know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: But that's like the wrong tactic with me because I
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: repeat things. But when I know for sure, Like I mean,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I've had many days in the Hampton's here with Countess
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Llan who lives down the street. I mean I could, honey, well,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: i could turn on this microphone for the next three hours,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: but when I know it for for real. So if
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Margaret ever told me something like when we were having
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a cocktail or you know, she didn't drink, I would
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: never have repeated it because that I'm like, now I
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: really know it. I'm like, I can't say this, but
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I believe the whole thing with Margaret is is that
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: when I started saying on the podcast that I know
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Melissa kissed this guy in the back of the car. No,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know it. I didn't see what my eyes,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: but I know it happened. That is to me, the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: beginning of the end of our friendship, which I never understood.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, this has nothing to do with you.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But then I'm like, that's when I started realizing, Oh,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: this is deep because if I say this against Melissa,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: it's in favor of Teresa, which it's not. It has nothing
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to do with Teresa and Margaret's mind it. Did you
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. That's when I started realizing if
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I say this against Melissa, which is my honest belief,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: which has nothing to do with Margaret or Teresa or
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: anyone other than Melissa, then it's a strike against Margaret.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So by me saying this, I was out against her
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: on air. Do you see what I'm saying? And that's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: when I started to realize there were teams. But this
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: is when for me, I was like, I'm done with you.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Is that because my podcast cannot be on the tape,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So this is a really long way of answering your question.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Well, honey, we're all ears, okay, But.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: There was one time when she called me. Now, this
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: is because the little PR person worked for She shouldn't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: say little PR person. The PR gentleman work for Jackie,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Margaret and Melissa. So this one person, he's the one
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that saw all this. I mean, this is this kiss.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so I would say, like little PR boy
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: because I think he's an asshole, but that's a whole
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: other thing. I would say, little PR bitch. So Margaret
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: called me one day to say listen, sorry to say listen,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: you know he's really upset and blah blah blah blah blah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, well, I don't know why
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: you're calling me, like you want me to take the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: damn video down because we all know, Carlos, there are
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: people that do what you and I do, that take
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: things down when to resell her, Margaret, And I'm like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not that bitch, so Margaret right, Like Margaret, I mean,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: my loyalty is towards the audience to just tell you
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: what I think is real. So my so Margaret knew,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: she knew better that I wasn't that girl that like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: let's not feed David. So they she never did me
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: much I take as a compliment, so she didn't ask
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: me to take it down. But she, I mean, I
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: don't know why alse you're calling and you kind of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: but here's where I my mind was the end for me.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: She then said she kept talking. Now we're on the phone.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Now there's no recording because we don't want to do
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: anything illegal, So she's not recording me. I'm not recording her.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's not this is one friend to another. Before you
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and I got on today, you and I were talking,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: there was no one listening. So the point is we
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: were now on the phone as two apparent friends with
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: no one listening. And she said to me, you know, David,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that kiss never happened. And now I'm like, okay, so
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: now there's nobody, it's you and me, and you're lying
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: like I would have respected her if she was like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: you know, it happened, but we're like Tia Melissa. Here.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I wish she said that, because at least I could
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: have respected that. But you're now lying to me because
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I know you know, because I mean, and I can
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: go through how I know she knows. It's like last season.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But the point is you're not lying to me.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. How do you know
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: for the fact that Margaret knew. Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Well, and again, I mean I didn't see any of
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: this in my own eyes. But this PR person that
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: worked for Jackie, Melissa and Margaret is with best friends
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: with this guy Nick, the one that Melissa allegedly kissed,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and he they all go They all go out. They
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: all used to go out at night. I mean, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: could ask Jackie now that she seems to be able
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to speak to the others. They all would go out
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: at night. They would go to Fresco by Scotto on
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: fifty second Street because he works for the Scattos, so
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: he also does PR and you know, so it's all
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: all in the family. They would always be out. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: so he's the one who allegedly opened the car door
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and saw his best friend that he was out with
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: for the night kissing Melissa. Now, I don't think Melissa
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: had an affair or anything like that. Who knows. It
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: could have been a two second kiss. But the thing is,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: this all starts with him allegedly and I don't know
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: this for a fact, but then he tells his I mean,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you have three bosses you shouldn't be talking about any
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: of your bosses. But I mean, we're just going to
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: be honest here today, Carlos, We're just gonna, like, let's
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: just have an honest conversation. So then he tells his
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: boss over here, Margaret, not realizing at the time that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: she has the fence does and she's with Vanessa and
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: we all don't know when Mark's up to at this point.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: So he tells the boss Margaret, I can't I got
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: some gossip for you, and Margaret's ears perkop and say, oh,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I can use this one in the future, Okay. So
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: he tells Margaret, not realizing that this is how Jersey works.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: And then Margaret tells her best friend of forty years,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: which I have no problem with, Laura, that's your best
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: friend since childhood. You tell her, you tell and who
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: knew that you would fall out with your best friend
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: of forty years? And when you do, your best friend
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: of forty years then reveals what you told her that
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: basically she was using this hanging this over the head
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: of her good friend Melissa. So I know, now, does
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: this sound so far fetched? Not really, This sounds like
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: it's exactly how it happened.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Who I hate to interrupt, but they tuned for more.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. I find it so
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: interesting that when it comes to Jersey, one of the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: reasons why a change has to happen is because, to me,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it is a show about alliances. It's a show about
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: digging dirt on people to use them. They don't have fun.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: They don't go on girls' trips. They don't like, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: getting naked waisted and do coyote ugly on the bar
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: like oc does. Do you know what I mean? Like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it's not fun because they're too busy trying to dig
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: dirt on each other. And when they find dirt on
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: each other, they keep it in the back of their
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: minds and will use it against you if you go
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: against them, Which now leads me to Jackie Golschneider, who
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I've always liked and enjoyed. Even when her and Teresa
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: will go at it, I always felt as a viewer
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: this is great television. I liked seeing Teresa activated, so
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I never disliked Jackie. Jackie obviously got fired right and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: was demoted to a friend you just mentioned earlier. Jackie, Margaret,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and Melissa shared the same publicist because when they were
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: on the show as a collective, they were the best
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: of friends in air quotes. When Jackie got fired and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: then was demoted to a friend of all of a sudden,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Jackie decided to I'm not gonna say it, go against them,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: but she decided to play nice in the sandbox of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Teresa's team, which includes Jennifer Ayden. When Jackie got demoted,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: do you think Margaret and Melissa were like, well, we
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: have no use for you, baby, And Jackie was surprised
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: by this and decided to join the other team and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: reveal stuff to them so that they can have information
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to go up against Melissa. Margaret.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: No, I also like Jackie a lot, like in the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: real world. Out of all of these people, I mean,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: it's probably the highest one up. I mean, I've never
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: met Jensfessler or Cabral or food up. But I really
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: like Jackie. No, I don't think so, because I think
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: more is more. The same way they want their minions
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and their bloggers and which podcast is for me and
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: which one is for you. I think, you know, Jockie,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: they would have kept her like she's demoted, but you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: she could be our second rate lapdog in their eyes.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but you know what I mean,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think that they would knowingly and you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Jockey knows where I mean, that's the thing like when
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you just don't speak the truth and you're all doing
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: underhanded stuff, you all eat know where each other's bodies
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: are buried. So I think Margaret and Melissa knew that
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Jockey knows things, and as we can see, Margaret knows
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: things too.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, no, I agree with that. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: agree with that. The thing is listen. I think Jackie
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: was probably like, listen, I want the airtime, and what
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: better way to get airtime than to join Teresa's team
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and do what's unexpected. And that's sort of like be
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: friends with Teresa, which was interesting as we sort of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: look at the fate of the show, what do you
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: think can save it? Because for me, it's this and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I want to hear your opinion too. I I just
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: think some hard conversations needs to happen with how people
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: operate behind the scenes. And when I say behind the scenes,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I mean investigations, the digging up dirt on people, the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: talking to bloggers or all those things. I just think
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: it needs to be something to where there has to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: be since a mandate that goes across all of the shows,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: because if you look at each individual housewives, they're all
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: great housewives, you know, I think, and they all brought
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: something great to the table. Unfortunately they allowed the messiness
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of this show to ruin their jobs. Because everybody's job
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: is on the line. You know, everybody's job is on
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the line. But when it comes to this show, I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: do feel like something has to happen. I had a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: guess on my podcast named Gibson John's who said to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: me that he believed strongly that Louie is the downfall
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: of Jersey. Do you disagree or agree with that?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: A lot of people feel that way. I don't necessarily
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: disagree with that. I look, I think this was going
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: on before Louie. Like, I don't think like I believe
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: everything Melissa's Attle now has said, not just because she's
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: been on my podcast so many times, but I think
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: that Teresa was already up to some of this. But again,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Margaret too and others and Louis, Yeah, Louis, it was
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: not good. I don't think he was good for this show.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I think he took it to another level. And I
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: so if you think about it like that, yeah, I
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: guess he was the downfall of Jersey. I mean I
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: feel that that's such a dramatic statement because I'm not
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: sure we wouldn't have been here without him. But would
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Teresa really care that much if it wasn't about her
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: husband shouldn't have one? I mean, what would she really care?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the kids for sure, And like you said earlier,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: this is her livelihood, you know, this is how she
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: makes her money. She really is a housewife. I think, listen,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: if they decide to keep Teresa or any of the women.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I do think there needs to be something about the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: husband's not being involved in the storylines mean meaning collectively,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: we watched Potomac, the husbands aren't really involved in the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: women's storylines.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: We watch Beverly Hills.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, though husbands are barely around.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I feel like there are no husbands now
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, Beverly Hills is now the real single
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: ladies of the nine of two and zero. Like how
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: New York became that when all their husbands were like
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: gone too. But I think the only way it'll work
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: is if the the maids aren't involved.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: But do you think because like, look, I think that
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: they I think the mistake they made. I screamed from
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the rooftop about this on my podcast last season and
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: about all the changes that were happened. It should happen,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: it could happen. I think that's the mistake they made.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Like there was the Jersey pause and then it was over.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It was like two months, Like remember when we thought
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: it was going on pause. I understand how everyone came
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: back because you put everyone's name on the whiteboard and
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: you didn't know what to do, and at that point,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you weren't getting rid of Teresa, so the only person
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that get rid of would be Melissa and more and
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: they didn't do it, And I understand why they didn't
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: do it, but you should have taken longer. So now
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: it's like, do you think that would work? Like, whether
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: you believe it or not, I believe it. I believe
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: that Teresa was up to all this stuff within Melissa's
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and Louis and Margaret and Moore, Like, is that going
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to work? Teresa, don't do this? You've had the same
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: lawyer for how many years? Like, don't do this? Like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: what what's the what's going to happen? It's an immediate termination.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: We find out week three that we're into filming. I mean,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: they just let Kenya go, like and this happens, Like
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: there has to be a like, I'm there has to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: be a real talking do you know what I mean?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Like because they get warned don't do this, and I
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: mean rumor is they've all been warned not to go
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: negative on social media. And the other day someone posted
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and like they reposted Margaret's comment about like Jennifer and
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Teresa walking in looking like weird Ally Yankovic and Jennifer
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: responds it, right, remember that on the show. And Jennifer
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: responds it, at least we have hair, slamming Margaret saying like,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: at least we have hair, bitch. So I mean, as
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: far as I know, I've heard that they were warned,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: like it's over, girls, stay off social talk about flowers,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Teresa post gerification, and here's Louie saying, you know, Margaret
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: doubling down whatever he just said about Margaret, that bringing
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: up someone's son as a storyline is pathetic. So Louise.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not picking on Louis and Jennifer and that side,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: but apparently they were already warned, and here they are
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: on social media doubling down. So, like as I say
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: on my podcast, some people get mad at me, this
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: is a group of actual animals. This isn't the nine
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: O two and Ozero, this is im Potomac. This is
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: actual animals. I'm sorry, and now I'm gonna have to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: give some tough love here. So how would you like
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to enforce this, mister King? You're an executive producer, extraordinary,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Oh Teresa, don't do this? Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh, jennifucker,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I'll do whatever the fuck I want. I mean, how
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: is it that you would like to I mean, what
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: type of speaking to is this going to be that's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: going to actually work?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, I don't think. I think it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: further than a conversation. I think and I would love
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts. Because you are a lawyer. I
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: think there has to be some sort of language and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the agreement about Listen, every every employee has something in
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: their agreement, whether it's the code of conduct, whether it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: what's what I'm looking for. David More code, thank you,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: thank you. The morality clause, the moral code, right. I
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: think there has to be very specific language in terms
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: of if we find out that you are talking about
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: storylines for bloggers, it's a media termination. I think there
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: has to be something legal in order for that to happen,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and some sort of penalty. I think it's that serious.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: But I don't think you only do that to Jersey.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I think you have to do that across the board,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: because somewhere down the line they lost a plot of
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: what the show is about and what we the audience
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: want to see. I'm loving OC this season because it's
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: fun and the drama is not dark. I actually laugh
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: at the drama that they're arguing over because to me,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: it's funny, like when Gina is yelling at Gin in
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the coffee shop and like, why are you wearing makeup
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and getting glam when you can't afford rent? Like, to me,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that's funny, you know, like it's funny.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did Heather call the paparazzi on herself. Now,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: now Pedantry has a rolex, and Emily is teaching us that, like,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: sell your damn rolex, you can't pay your rent. The
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: thing doesn't even work. I agree. It's like I'm watching
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: this as if I'm producing it, and I'm like this,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: someone got it. They just got it. They're like remember
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the old school days of you know, the Housewives. This
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: is what we're going to do this season. I know see,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and they're actually doing it. It's working. I totally agree.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it has to get back to that. And
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that's why for me, you have to do something. You
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: have to do something dramatic in order to get a
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: different result. And like you said earlier, if people go
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: against the cold, they can let go in the season
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: like it is what it is. But I just think
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Jersey, I would me, Carlos King.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I would be a happy person. Let me get my
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: dog one second.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Everyone has these dogs.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, so look, I Carlos King. I would be a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: happy person if I don't ever see a men's scene
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: on Jersey. I do not want to see these men
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: hanging out with each other. I don't care. I don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: care to see issues with the men having with the women.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I don't care to go to and see a charity
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: baseball game and the guys are there. I think what
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I would like to see for New Jersey is getting
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: back to these women and yes, family, I would love
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: to see like the solo family scenes with the husbands,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: but the moment there's an all casf event, I do
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: not want the husbands there anymore. I think that the
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: thing when it comes to Jerseys specifically is in that town,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: there is just this this thing that the wives go
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to another level if you attack their husbands, and I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: think the only way for them not to happen again
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: is you don't evolve them.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Who would you like to come back? Then?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I listen, not only because she's my friend. I just
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you can't pay me to watch Jersey without Teresa. I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: just I can't even like, I can't imagine it. I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: just I can't imagine it. And what was funny is
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Kelly Rippa, who is Andy's best friend, said the same thing,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: like there's no show without you, And that's Kelly fucking Rippa.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Teresa disagree with me? If you if you, if you
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: want to, David, I think Teresa is the number one.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Oh shoot, you see me, David.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You froze for a minute.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I do now, Okay, I'll talk it over for me.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I think Teresa is currently currently the most famous housewife
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: on TV, the most famous. I think she's the most recognizable.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because I keep going back and forth
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: because again I don't know what's going to happen. My
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: expert opinion as a producer who worked on the Housewives
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and currently doing other reality shows, I just think it's
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a big mistake to not have Teresa on the show.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I just I don't see it, and that means to me,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: if you removed Teresa, that means you're keeping Melissa right,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And I just don't see me caring about a season
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that involves Melissa, Dolores, who is one percent coming back,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and maybe Margaret. I just don't see it. So I
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: would like to see Teresa, and I will say, Danielle.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Huh, that's it. That's it. I think listen. I think
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Margaret maybe needs a break, a break, put on pause,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Derenda Medley style and maybe come back. I think Melissa
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: will always be a part of Bravo. I see Melissa
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: doing so many other things with the network in Peacock.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I don't see it for Rachel, honestly, I just I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: just don't see it. And I think Jennifer Aiden who
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I love, who I think is a top to her housewife.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I just don't think they'll bring her back. I just
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see that happening ever.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see it happening. I've said this
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: on my show so many times that it just is
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: what it is, and people are like, no, no, no,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: if you get rid of Jennifer, you have to get
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: rid of Teresa. They were both doing it. I'm like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I get it, but that's not the way. How many
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: people are sitting at a desk job right now in
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: corporate America where you're reporting to someone that you know
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: is younger than you, that started with you, that you
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: think you have more Corporate America ain't fair. It just
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: is what it is. So I don't see a world
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that we live in that Jennifer Aiden will be back.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: That's just my opinion. Yes she will. If we have
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to clean this mess up whatever Teresa was doing, whatever
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: this one was doing, Jennifer Aden will take the fall
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: for her and Teresa. If Teresa was allegedly doing all this,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: which I believe she was, it doesn't matter. I mean,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. And that's that is the thing. If
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Teresa weren't Teresa. I believe she'd be fired one hundred percent.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if all these bad things and
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: liability and all this matters. I don't know. You know
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: what the bottom line is, everybody that is in the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Housewives should open a book right now. And whether you
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: love her or hate her, Kyle Richards is the end,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. She is the gold standard of what
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: you should do as a housewife. You want to teach
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a master course, that is it. One hundred percent. I
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: used to say Teresa is never going to be fired.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not so sure anymore. Kle Richards will never be fired.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Barn never ever, barb never zero. I don't care if
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: you love her hate her, it's never happening. She produces
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the show on air as we're watching it, calling someton
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: over and saying, no, what just happened? And you were
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: drunk and son's getting upset. It's like she is producing
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: the show. Sign if she has to do this, this
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: is this is the job. She's actually great at what
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: she's doing right now. Amazing here that you were right.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: She is exactly what she brings it. And she cries
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and gets messy and has highs and lows and then
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: goes home and doesn't care. I mean she this first sister,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the second sister, the divorce. Yes, okay, now I agree.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know what really is going on with Morgan
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Wade or what happened, but it's not everything that Kyle brings.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: But let's just face it, there's probably nothing going on
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: and it was all just like they know how to
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: play the paparazzi game.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The point is, I want to add one more to you,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and I want you to finish, though you also have
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to add the David. She never ever, ever, ever, ever,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: ever talks any crap about production, the network, nothing. She
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't blame editing, she doesn't blame producers. She she has
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: never in her life ever said anything remotely close to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: anything negative about her employees. Like she she's the quintessential
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: housewife in the sense of she's so grateful for the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: opportunity and not saying she's hiding stuff that they do.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we all know that. Listen,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: when the when the when the going gets tough, what
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: does the reality start do? Well? Uh, they added that
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: in there. Okay, girl, we're watching the same show, beat it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: She is so kind to work with. I know producers
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: who work on belly Hills, they all say, David, she's
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: a joy to work with.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But continue, I believe it. I believe it. So I mean,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that's the thing that you never see her. Ryeah. She'll
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: make she'll do with this Amazon lives and someone will
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: ask her. And she knows how to throw shade, but
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: she'll never be there in the comments, clapping back and
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: every now and the baby she slips off Mauricio and Morgan,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: but she doesn't take it off air. She does it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And when she says that, you know, Juriid exposed these
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: texts and she said, I would never have done that,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: like I do believe it. Whatever the real stuff that's
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: happening off air, she wouldn't bring it on air. And
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: she's able to bring enough. And it's not even like
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I like bow down to her as like such a fan.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: But she is the way to do this show. She
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: really is. She'll never be fired. You bring enough, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: then you're light and fluffy, and now you're saying she's
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: easy to work with it and then you just go home.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: And yes, she cries and has breakdowns, but she's not
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: stewing in it. When the season's over, it's over and
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: she's ready for the next season, and everything from the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: past season is left there. That's how to do it.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: That is the difference. That's how to do it right.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: No, one thousand percent right, one thousand percent right. So
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: for all the housewives who are listening, yeah, or the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: pr of a housewife, the manager of a housewife, the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: friend of a housewife. David and I both agree on
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: this one fact. Study the book of Kyle Richards if
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: you want to study the book the.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's not going in every year. Who's gonna
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: go and who's gonna stay? It's never Kyle. Kylee's never
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: going anywhere. She does it really well. I mean there's
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: others on Beverly Hills that are holds that they are
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: pretty good too, But Kyle is to me, I think
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: across every franchise the number one. So I don't know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. I can see it could be
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: such a great, fun, lighthearted ensemble show in New Jersey
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: if Teresa weren't there. I mean, look, they let's just
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: face it. Also, they gave Melissa Gordon an excellent edit
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: this season. I mean she they You know, I'm not
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: saying that she doesn't deserve it, but I'm just saying
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: when they're saying hot dog lives and she's like making
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: her face. Melissa was actually funny in her edit this season,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and now she's doing a pose off and then what
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the hell happens when we're still talking about sprinkle cookies?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: But I mean she and yes, she says these things,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: but it's also a good edit. So look, they said it,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: so it could. But I like, you just can't envision
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: a show being called The Real Housewives of New Jersey
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: with Melissa and Gang. I just can't. And I think
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: she had a great season. I enjoyed her this season
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: more than Teresa. But I just like in your interview,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: sure Teresa was lovely because the same way Nini was lovely,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: but Teresa ain' have you ever watched Teresa's interviews? And
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I don't blame her. Your husband's deported. You know they're
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: coming for your new husband you went to. I don't
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: blame her, but she is like unpleasant to interviewers. Right
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: to her. She's sitting there, you could feel the tension.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: She doesn't open her mouth and speak a full sentence right,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: because she's not comfortable. It's like their job to get
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: so It's like, I think it could be a light, breezy,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: happy show with Melissa and company, but I just don't
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: see it. I just think she's the one that I
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: don't know if they can do it. I just don't know. Like,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: and there's no other show like that. Like, as great
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: as Kyle is, we would all there's we wouldn't blink
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: an eye, Lisa vander Pomp, Beverly Hills would go on
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: with Erica and Dorit and Sutton at Garcel and two
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: newbies without Kyle in a second. We wouldn't think twice.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be strange. It's just it is weird that
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: we have this in Jersey. It just is strange. It's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: a strange. I've never seen this before, and I really
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're gonna do. Because the thing is,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: when you read a lot of the comments against Teresa
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: and Louis, it's not like people are team Melissa. Nobody
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: gives a fuck about Melissa. People actually hate Teresa. Now,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of tree huggers that love her, but
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I've never seen so many nests like this blogger thing
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: with Melissa's all knows. I really do feel because I
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: have seen a lot of comments. I used to love Teresa,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Now I don't, So I don't know is that gonna
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: take it? So then to go back to your point, yeah,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, is this the Louis effect? Did Louis single
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: handedly come in here, like everyone says he's a narcissist,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: a tornado through and just take this whole damn house
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: down behind the scenes. I don't know.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Well, there's the thing I will say this, Teresa has
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the ability to give you a lighter season because we've
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: seen it with when her and Jackal were friends. I
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: think she needs to be surrounded by that. And I
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: do think this, I think is what you said too.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: She's had a tough couple of years. Your husband gets supported,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you went to jail, both your parents are deceased, you
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: don't have a relationship with your only sibling, people don't
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: like your husband, you have to defend him against these
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: women on the show. I think she's just I think
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: she's been dealt a very tough hand, and I think
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the one thing that used to be a pleasant distraction,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: which was the show, has now been the main source
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: of negativity in her life. And that's why for me,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I really really wish Jacqueline will come back, but she
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: lives in California, because I do want to see her
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: have fun again because she can. We used to see
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: like her Jacqueline like stomp grapes and they were losing
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: ethel And you know the thing is, Dolores does not
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: bring that out out of her because I think Dolores
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: is also and listen, Dolor's played her hand right as well.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Dolores has emerged as like somebody who I even now
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, I can't see the show without Dolores.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I think the Laura's is a great Switzerland character. You
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: need that. It's like Cynthia Bailey, like there's certain women
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: who you need to play the middle of the road.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm I've never seen Teresa and Dolores have fun.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I've seen Teresa and Joan Aiden have fun. But I think,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: like you, Jen Aiden isn't coming back unfortunately, so I
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I definitely agree with you. I want
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to see something light. I want to see something fun.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I wanna I just don't. I'm not interested anymore in
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: seeing dark drama when it comes to the show because
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: even when, like Danielle Stab was on the first two
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: seasons and it was kind of dark, I think we
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: all just just laughed, like, you know, like, but Caroline's like,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you're a clown, and Danielle said, but you're the one
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: wearing red hair, Like that's funny. You know, chasing Danielle
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: down the country club is funny.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: You know, Danielle is an icon in her own Danielle
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Stab is an icon. I've said it before, I've said
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: it on my podcast, I will say it on your podcast.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I don't care what anyone says, but I do agree
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: with you. If you look at people from the past,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I feel it's not gonna happen. The only look I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: can tell you right now, anyone who is toxic from
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the past, whether they're a full time cast member or
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: a friend of any toxicity, they ain't ever come in. Nope,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: if you go down the list of people that could
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: truly come back, the only human being that gets the
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: past is Jacqueline r It's just that simple. It's just
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: there's nobody else. Do I think Kathy is is a
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: toxic person. No, Kathy Wakille is a lovely person. With
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: a wonderful family in a real life unfortunately, and I
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: don't think she wants to come back, but you can't
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: bring her back because Teresa, then what's the point. You
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: might as well keep Melissa. I mean she'll go cuckoo,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: so that ain't happening. Anyone else is toxic. Like Danielle,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I love her, but I mean that ain't happening. Jacqueline
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: is literally if you take out that Wikipedia list where
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: everyone is on there, she's truly the only person, full
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: time friend of whatever it is, that can come back
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: that is a non toxic, happy light person in for Teresa,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: She's the one. There's no one else.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with one, but like you said, it remains
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: to be seen. I don't think we'll know the faith
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: for a couple of months. But what I will say is,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: when we find out you have to come back on
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: my podcast, we could dissect it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I will come back. You're going to come on my
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: podcast all the rain Drops and follow you over there
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: and we'll do some jersey and we'll talk about everything
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: else going on. And I hope Beverly Hills they say
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: this year, later this year, it's going to be back.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: You'll come on way before that though, But yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you are you are you bring all bring your merch,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: bring anything you want to plug. We support all the
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: plugs at Behind the Velvet Rope. You can come and
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: plug whatever you want.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Love you so much, David. Tell the
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: world they can find you, follow your support, your amazing
• 57:55
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