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36 - JonBenét Ramsey - The Unsolved Murder of the Baby Beauty Queen · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're listening to you an Airwave media podcast. Hi everybody,
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Speaker 1: and welcome back to whoded What Now? The history podcast
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Speaker 1: that's not your history class with me your festive host,
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Speaker 1: Katie Charlwood, slutty sloth and reader of books. Where did
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Speaker 1: that come from? Why? You know, sometimes I have no
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Speaker 1: idea what I'm going to call myself when I start,
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Speaker 1: you know, recording, But it's because I went through crime
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Speaker 1: today and it's like sloth, let's use alliteration, and because
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Speaker 1: I use the history harlot, I was like, it's be
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Speaker 1: slutty sloth. That's where my brain went. That was the
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Speaker 1: choice that happened in that split second. You know, I
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Speaker 1: really worry myself sometimes, like what is that? That's not good? Yeah? Sorry,
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Speaker 1: If my voice sounds weird, it's still hasn't healed properly
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Speaker 1: after whatever tom fuckery is going on with my throat.
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Speaker 1: But apparently it's not typical to lose your voice eight
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Speaker 1: times in a year, So I'm gonna have to go
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Speaker 1: get that checked out, which is not entirely pleasant, but
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Speaker 1: fuck it. You know, we get to make sure we're
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Speaker 1: working as appropriately as possible, especially considering that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm an absolute disaster, and so it's currently Boxing Day,
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Speaker 1: so it's December twenty sixth. You may also know it
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Speaker 1: as Saint Stephen's Day, the Feast of Steven. And it's
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Speaker 1: so why I'm sitting in my room all alone deciding
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Speaker 1: to talk about this nittorious case. I wasn't gonna and
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Speaker 1: then I was, and then I wasn't, because well, what
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Speaker 1: happened was is I made myself cry. I struggled to
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Speaker 1: go through notes. Even though I know this case off
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Speaker 1: by heart, I struggled with like a huge, huge part
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Speaker 1: of it. It wasn't But it's fine. It's fine, I'm fine.
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Speaker 1: Everything's fine, because today is the twenty fifth anniversary of
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Speaker 1: the discovery of the body of Jean Beney Ramsay. You
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Speaker 1: know how people go, like, if you could go back
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Speaker 1: in time and like solve any murder, which would it
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Speaker 1: be like if you could just have that like crystal
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Speaker 1: ball information? And most people go like, you know, I
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Speaker 1: want to know who the Zodiac killer is or I
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Speaker 1: want to go back and find out who Jack the
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Speaker 1: Ripper was, And frankly, I don't give a fuck about
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Speaker 1: those two because chances are those people are not alive anymore. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's basical, whoever the Ripper was where they
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Speaker 1: ain't alive now, like M and I, you know, I
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Speaker 1: have a strange feeling that whoever the Zodiac Killer was
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Speaker 1: is either dead or just not compassmentus, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: But I want to know who hurts Jean Beney. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if I had like the actual traveling back in time magic,
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Speaker 1: I would like to go back and stop whoever it
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Speaker 1: was hurting Jean Benet. So this case is like notorious.
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Speaker 1: It's like because it's a cold case, because of everything
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Speaker 1: surrounding it, and because there it's just a cluster fuck
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Speaker 1: of incompetence, and and there's so much to it that
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Speaker 1: just doesn't fucking add up. There's like a collection of theories, right,
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Speaker 1: and one thing makes sense, but then due to like
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Speaker 1: a bunch of other factors, it doesn't fucking make any sense.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got like other theories which hold up
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Speaker 1: to a point, and then like this one fucking thing
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Speaker 1: just throws it out there. There were so many weird,
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Speaker 1: weird parts of this which just don't fucking add up,
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Speaker 1: and that's where a lot of the suspicion comes from.
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Speaker 1: And then of course we have the trial by media
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Speaker 1: because the media they latched on to the fact that
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Speaker 1: Jean Benet was this pageant queen, like she was a
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Speaker 1: child beauty pageant queen, and you know, Patsy was a
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Speaker 1: pageant mum. So like it just becomes this whole other
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Speaker 1: thing and it just takes on a life of its own.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, before I go on, I should probably add
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Speaker 1: a content slash trigger warning, because I am discussing the
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Speaker 1: murder of a six year old child and that can
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Speaker 1: be traumatizing for a lot of people. Because it's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to touch on it. I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: go into graphic detail. I'm going to try and be
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Speaker 1: as clinical and basic as possible because I sobbed reading
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Speaker 1: the autopsy report, you know what I mean, and then
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Speaker 1: the second autopsy and the discussions of pathologists and so
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Speaker 1: on and so forth. So I don't want to put
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Speaker 1: you all through that. But if you think this will
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Speaker 1: trigger you in any way, I'm going to suggest you
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Speaker 1: just ready, okay, and it's time to quit my jabber
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Speaker 1: jabber and just fact you in fact you I will so.
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Speaker 1: Our sources are Jean Benney inside the Ramsey murder investigation
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Speaker 1: by Donald A. Davis and Steve Thomas, who killed John
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Speaker 1: Benney Ramsey by Cyril Wecht. Unsolved the Jean Bonne Ramsey
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Speaker 1: Murderer twenty five years later by Paula Woodward. The Cases
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Speaker 1: That Haunt Us by Johnny Douglas and Mark Olshaker. I
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Speaker 1: think there's an episode of Cold Case Files, a bunch
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Speaker 1: of documentaries. I have been inhaling this probably for the
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Speaker 1: majority of my life because I'm only a couple of
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Speaker 1: years older than John Benny or I would be so
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Speaker 1: like this case made international news. I've also listened to
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Speaker 1: podcasts which cover this, everything from my favorite murder to
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Speaker 1: I think I think Paul Hols covered it once. Actually,
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Speaker 1: if I'm not, I could be wrong, but I think
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Speaker 1: he did so. Jean Beney Patricia Ramsey was born on
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Speaker 1: the sixth of August nineteen ninety, so I'm like three
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Speaker 1: years older than her. Ish So her dad is John
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Speaker 1: Bennett Ramsey. He's high up in some computer software firm,
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Speaker 1: and you know, and he's married to Patricia Ramsey, who
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Speaker 1: is his second wife, and she's a stay at home mum.
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Speaker 1: But yes, I know what you're thinking. Did they just
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Speaker 1: take John Bennett and Patricia did they take all their
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Speaker 1: first names and just smush them all together to make
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Speaker 1: her name. Yes, they did listen as someone who is
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Speaker 1: from a long line of Catherine's. Let me tell you
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Speaker 1: there is a million ways to moush up a name.
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Speaker 1: It's just a thing people do. She's got an older
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Speaker 1: brother called Burk, so she is the youngest of all Ramsey.
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Speaker 1: So John Many actually has three older half siblings. There's
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Speaker 1: John Ramsey, Melissa Ramsey, and Elizabeth. Elizabeth actually dies in
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Speaker 1: a car craft because you know, one tragedy isn't enough
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Speaker 1: for a lifetime. Elizabeth, her older half sister, dies in
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Speaker 1: a tragic car accident at twenty two years old. And
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Speaker 1: I think that was nineteen ninety one or nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: two there or thereabouts. And they're in I think they
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Speaker 1: live in Atlanta, Georgia, where John Benny was born, but
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Speaker 1: the Ramseys then moved to Boulder, Colorado. I assume for
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Speaker 1: John Ramsey's work. Now, the Ramseys are a well off family,
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Speaker 1: like they have money. They are the kind of people
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Speaker 1: that would probably refer to themselves as comfortable. But that's
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Speaker 1: what it is. So Jean Beney, she as I said before,
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Speaker 1: is a child Pageant queen. She's natural pageant queen. She
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Speaker 1: won titles, so she had won America's Royal Miss, Little
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Speaker 1: Miss Charlevoi, Little Miss Colorado, Colorado State Old Kids, Cover Girl,
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Speaker 1: and National Tiny Miss Beauty. This particular part of John
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Speaker 1: Beny's life becomes like this very it becomes a hook.
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Speaker 1: It's something that the media really dig their claws into
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Speaker 1: and just runs with it. Heard about this so a
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Speaker 1: lot of times when you see the photos of Jean Benet,
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Speaker 1: it's the pageant photos they use. And that's why. Is
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Speaker 1: someone who fucking has grown up with this case and
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Speaker 1: knows it inside out. And I was like chatting about
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Speaker 1: it to a friend because I was discussing that I
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Speaker 1: was going to be, you know, talking about this, and
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Speaker 1: I genuinely forgot how old Joan Beny was. I'm like
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Speaker 1: she was nine or ten, because I just kept thinking
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Speaker 1: of the photos, you know, because they make her look
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Speaker 1: older because she's got the big hair in the full
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Speaker 1: face of makeup. But she was a six year old
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Speaker 1: child and it is so easy to forget that. So
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Speaker 1: I was actually looking at the photos of her last
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Speaker 1: Christmas where she got her bike and she's goofing around
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Speaker 1: and she does this like pose that just my kid
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Speaker 1: does the exact same pose. Like she's like tada, I'm
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Speaker 1: here and she's just a kid. She's a six year
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Speaker 1: old little girl in her pajamas on Christmas and she
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Speaker 1: is so excited that she got a bike that she
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Speaker 1: probably never even got a chance to ride. Fuck, I'm
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Speaker 1: crying again. What okay, hold it to fucking gether kerry
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Speaker 1: So Christmas Day, December twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six, Shombinney
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Speaker 1: gets her bike and later on that day they head
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Speaker 1: out to Christmas party hosted by I think Fleet White.
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Speaker 1: I think it was the White Christmas Party, the whole
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Speaker 1: Ramsey crew there, Bark Jean, Benet, John and Patsy and
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Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of other families there, There's a
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Speaker 1: bunch of other kids. There's a Santa Claus at it.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're having a great time. Are Christmas Day
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Speaker 1: parties like a regular thing or is that? Or is
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Speaker 1: it just like a rich people thing? Because over here
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Speaker 1: where I am in Ireland, Christmas Day is very much
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Speaker 1: you spend time with family and then it's like before
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Speaker 1: and after that is when you do the whole friends then,
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Speaker 1: But like, is that an American thing if someone wants
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Speaker 1: to just like inform me of that, like is it
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Speaker 1: a cultural thing or is it just like a rich
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Speaker 1: person thing. Anyway, So they go to the party, they
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Speaker 1: come back from the party, and they all get ready
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Speaker 1: to go to bed. Now, so apparently Patsy puts a
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Speaker 1: turtleneck on her, a red turtleneck, which so Patsy braids
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Speaker 1: shombines hair into two pigtails, because as far as I
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Speaker 1: could tell, she has a natural curl in her hair,
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Speaker 1: so like braiding it at night just stops it from
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Speaker 1: like notting as she sleeps, because you know, kids that
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Speaker 1: age can't control their body temperature, so it usually means
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Speaker 1: that they're sweating and it just can really matt up
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Speaker 1: the hair at the back, especially if you've got natural
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Speaker 1: curls in it. So her hair is braided when she
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Speaker 1: puts on the turtleneck, but the turtleneck comes off, probably
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Speaker 1: because it's really fucking uncomfortable to sleep on a turtleneck,
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Speaker 1: I think, because they were supposed to be flying out
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Speaker 1: the next morning for a trip, and let's face it,
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Speaker 1: they probably had a tipple or two at this Christmas party.
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Speaker 1: So Jean Beney, she gets changed into a white top
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Speaker 1: with a sequin star on it, pair of long jawn's
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Speaker 1: and her underwear. John and pats say they put the
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Speaker 1: kids to bed, and so at some point that night,
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Speaker 1: Joan bene eats some pineapple. We don't know when exactly.
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Speaker 1: It's the parents don't remember her eating pineapple or like
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Speaker 1: giving her pineapple, which like her favorite food, Like they
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Speaker 1: don't remember doing that, but she ate it. So the
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Speaker 1: next morning, at like half five, Patsy gets up because
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Speaker 1: she has to get ready for the trip, and you know,
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Speaker 1: she can't do anything without her happy bean Go Go juice.
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Speaker 1: So she goes downstairs to make a coffee and she
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Speaker 1: gets to this there's like a backstairs that lead to
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Speaker 1: her kitchen because it's a fucking mansion. And what does
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Speaker 1: she come across but a two and a half page
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Speaker 1: handwritten ransom note, which is going to be like a
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Speaker 1: point of confusion for this whole thing. So there's a
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Speaker 1: ransom note, and it says that Jean Beney has been
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Speaker 1: taken and they have to pay a small foreign faction
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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in order to retrieve
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Speaker 1: their child safely. Don't call friends, don't call the police,
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Speaker 1: don't do anything. Danger danger Will Robinson. But Patsy says,
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Speaker 1: fuck this for a game of soldiers. She calls the
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Speaker 1: police fifty two am and then she calls friends and
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Speaker 1: family to basically help look for Jombinnet. So at five
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Speaker 1: fifty five am, three minutes later, two officers show up.
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Speaker 1: Now it is Boxing day, it is the day after Christmas.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's the twenty sixth of December. No well
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Speaker 1: established cop is going to be running around on that day.
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Speaker 1: It's two officers who have who had never dealt with
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Speaker 1: anything like this before, and they come to the house
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Speaker 1: and you know, they do an initial search. So basically
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Speaker 1: they're looking around and they're trying to find a entry
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Speaker 1: point in an exit point. As it turns out, there's
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Speaker 1: a couple of them. So Rick French, one of the officers,
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Speaker 1: he's doing the search of the house, he goes downstairs
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Speaker 1: into the basement. Now in the basement there's like an
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Speaker 1: extra room and it's got a wee wooden latch on it.
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Speaker 1: It's locked. And this is where the Ramseys would actually
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Speaker 1: keep their Christmas presents, like for the kids, and they
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Speaker 1: they sometimes called it the wine room. But Rick Frenge
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Speaker 1: obviously Reck Frenge. He's looking for an escape route, you know,
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't see anything. Like the basement's kind of
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Speaker 1: like it's kind of like it's stuff and it's kind
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Speaker 1: of a mess. But there is a broken window, but
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Speaker 1: the glass is broken from the inside, so we have that.
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Speaker 1: And this was apparently done a while back, like apparently
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Speaker 1: John got stuck in the basement and had to break
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Speaker 1: out of it, but didn't think to get it repaired
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Speaker 1: in Colorado in winter, but whatever. There was a couple
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Speaker 1: of windows that were left sort of slightly a jar
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Speaker 1: because they had Christmas lights coming out of them. And
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Speaker 1: there was also an unlocked door because apparently, who the
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Speaker 1: fuck doesn't lock their door? I lock four doors at night,
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Speaker 1: so both of my outside doors and both of my
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Speaker 1: inside doors, because we have like these little sort of
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Speaker 1: I don't know, entrance ways hallways. It's I think it's
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Speaker 1: more of a heat thing because Ireland's cold as fuck.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's not as cold as like Colorado, but still,
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Speaker 1: if anyone's breaking into my house, I'm going to hear
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Speaker 1: them come in, and I'm gonna be there with my
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Speaker 1: cricket bat. Why a cricket bat, why not a baseball bat. Well,
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Speaker 1: if you got hit with one, you'd know, or maybe
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't because you'd be knocked out. But the point
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Speaker 1: is giving away all my secrets here. So anyway, Officer
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Speaker 1: Rick French, he's like, all right, okay, doesn't open this
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Speaker 1: whee door in the cellar, gets upstairs, has another trot
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Speaker 1: around by aam. Detective Aren't shows up and they're basically
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Speaker 1: waiting for the kidnappers to call. So they're trying to
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Speaker 1: get the money together and and John Ramsay's like, this
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Speaker 1: is weird because this amount of money is the exact
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Speaker 1: same amount that I got my Christmas bonus last year,
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Speaker 1: Like he pointed that out to police. Friends of the
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Speaker 1: family also show up. So between like six am and
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Speaker 1: eight am, Fleet White shows up, the guy who's party
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Speaker 1: they were on Christmas, the family minister shows up, a
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Speaker 1: couple other friends and family show up, and they're like
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Speaker 1: walking around the house like the because they think it's
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Speaker 1: a kidnapping. Joan Beney's room is cording off for like evidence,
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Speaker 1: but nowhere else. There are people in the kitchen, they're
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Speaker 1: moving stuff, they're cleaning things, you know, probably thinking they're helping,
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Speaker 1: but they're just fucking shit up. So by one pm,
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Speaker 1: right in the afternoon, there's still no call from the kidnappers.
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Speaker 1: So detective Aren't's like, okay, mister White, mister Ramsey, I
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Speaker 1: want you to do a top to bottom search of
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Speaker 1: the house to see if anything's like a miss, if
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Speaker 1: anything's weird, because you'd know your house better than anybody.
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Speaker 1: So they actually go bottom to top. They start from
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Speaker 1: the basement and they're going to work upwards, So they
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Speaker 1: go to the basement. They just decide to look in
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Speaker 1: the little Christmas present wine room, and as John Ramsey
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Speaker 1: opens the door, they're on the floor. In front of
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Speaker 1: him is the lifeless body of his six year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: There's duct tape on her mouth, a cord around her neck,
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Speaker 1: and a white blanket covering her like torsolin chest. So
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Speaker 1: he picks her up and runs upstairs screaming, brings her
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Speaker 1: upstairs into the sitting room, puts her down, pulls the
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Speaker 1: duct tape off her mouth, tries to undo the cord
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Speaker 1: on her neck, and it's the most irrational and crazy
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Speaker 1: thing to do, like you're damaging so much evidence. The
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Speaker 1: moment he laid his hands on her he destroyed so
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Speaker 1: much evidence, and because he left the basement door open,
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Speaker 1: all that's compromised too. And then Patsy, upon seeing also
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Speaker 1: when she sees her, throws herself onto Jean Benet's body
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Speaker 1: and sobs uncontrollably. Now these are not rational reactions, These
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Speaker 1: are not logical reactions. But like the evidence gets disturbed
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Speaker 1: even further because at some point Detective Aren't has Jon
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Speaker 1: Benet's body moved closer to the Christmas tree for I
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Speaker 1: don't know fucking reasons. Again, these are not logical responses.
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Speaker 1: They're not rational responses because the death of a child
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Speaker 1: does not promote a rational expose. Here's the thing, Like,
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Speaker 1: I've always been suspicious of the Ramses because a bunch
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Speaker 1: of stuff doesn't fucking add up. But their responses I
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Speaker 1: can completely understand, because I'm like, well, under your crime,
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Speaker 1: if something happened to like fuck a member of my family,
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Speaker 1: your first response is to try and save them. So
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Speaker 1: so like I understand the you know, taking the duct
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Speaker 1: tape of and trying to listen to the chord because
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Speaker 1: your brain is like I have to save them, I
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Speaker 1: have to save them. But it just depends on whether
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Speaker 1: or not he was fully aware that she was dead
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Speaker 1: at the time, and if he knew she was dead,
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Speaker 1: this is acting. And if he didn't know, well then
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Speaker 1: you're a parent who has to deal with a horrific sight,
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Speaker 1: you know. So so now it's officially a murder investigation.
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Speaker 1: So at some point during the day as well, Bark
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Speaker 1: gets taken away. He goes to stay, I think with
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Speaker 1: the Whites because obviously, you know, a nine year old
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Speaker 1: kicking about when you're you know, when you're waiting on
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Speaker 1: a call from kidnappers and stuff, and and too good.
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Speaker 1: So John Benney her body gets taken to the autops.
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Speaker 1: So now becomes a murder investigation. So the Ramses they
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Speaker 1: willingly submit blood, hair, handwriting samples. They all go in
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Speaker 1: and now we're gonna get fuck I hate this bit. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So now we're going to talk about what happened to
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Speaker 1: Jon Benet, what we know happened to Jean Beney. Okay, fuck, okay,
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Speaker 1: this is the part where I usually cry. This is
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Speaker 1: the tough part. Okay. So Joan Beney's cause of death
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Speaker 1: was asphyxiation in collaboration with a cerebral fracture, which basically
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Speaker 1: means at the age of six years old, Jean Beney
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Speaker 1: Ramsey was strangled to death and hitting the head so
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Speaker 1: hard that she had an eight and a half inch
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Speaker 1: skull fracture. She had undigested pineapple in her stomach. She
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Speaker 1: was found wearing her white star gaptop, her long jawns,
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Speaker 1: and white underwear that had urine and red states. There
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Speaker 1: was a vaginal injury. They believe she was digitally penetrated,
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Speaker 1: and it appears that this was not the first time
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Speaker 1: an incident like that had happened. There was a cord
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Speaker 1: wrapped around her neck. It was a grot made from
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Speaker 1: a cord and a broken paintbrush from Patsy's art supplies.
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Speaker 1: It was like the middle part of the brush, so
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Speaker 1: the tip of the brush was missing and the bristles
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Speaker 1: are missing. The bristles they found in Patsy's art supplies,
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Speaker 1: but the top of the brush they never found the
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Speaker 1: end of the handle. The cord was used to grot
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Speaker 1: her and basically choke her after she had been hit
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Speaker 1: in the head. So here's what we know, even though
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Speaker 1: it's not an entire timeline. Jean Bonney Ramsay had signs
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Speaker 1: of molestation that had been occurring over a period of time,
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Speaker 1: also had been molested that evening, she had been digitally
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Speaker 1: penetrated and as such had a vaginal injury. There was
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Speaker 1: no semen found in her body, but it did appear
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Speaker 1: that her vigint that her vaginal area had been wiped
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Speaker 1: with a cloth. She had wet herself. There was urine
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Speaker 1: on the front of her pajamas, was on her underwear
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Speaker 1: and through her long johns. So let me break this down.
20:24
Speaker 1: She had been struck on the head, she had a
20:29
Speaker 1: severe blow of the head, she had wet herself, and
20:33
Speaker 1: she had been molested. And after all of this had happened,
20:37
Speaker 1: someone wrapped a cord around her neck and strangled her
20:41
Speaker 1: using items found in the Ramsey house. That is what
20:45
Speaker 1: happened to that poor six year old girl on the
20:49
Speaker 1: twenty seventh of December. The Ramses they get the fuck
20:52
Speaker 1: at a dodge, They fly out and they head back
20:55
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, which, you know, kind of understandable because, you know,
21:00
Speaker 1: because why would you want to stay in a house
21:02
Speaker 1: where child was tortured and murdered. So they fly out
21:05
Speaker 1: and it basically becomes and they talk about how they're
21:08
Speaker 1: too emotional to talk to the police, so December thirty first,
21:12
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, so the family they fly back out
21:15
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and on the thirty first of December, Jean
21:21
Speaker 1: Beney Ramsey is laid to rest. She's interred next to
21:26
Speaker 1: her sister Elizabeth, who had died in the car crash.
21:28
Speaker 1: The Ramseys had said that they were too upset to give,
21:31
Speaker 1: you know, statements to police and to discuss it further.
21:33
Speaker 1: But on the first of January nineteen ninety seven, John
21:38
Speaker 1: and Patsy Ramsey have a forty five minute interview on CNN.
21:44
Speaker 1: So basically, anytime you see Patsy from this point, she
21:48
Speaker 1: looks like she's on drugs, like she's hopped up on something, which,
21:53
Speaker 1: again one could argue that that's perfectly reasonable for someone
21:58
Speaker 1: whose child was torn and murdered. So naturally, the fact
22:03
Speaker 1: that the Ramses were willing to talk to the press
22:06
Speaker 1: and not law enforcement really puts the cops hackles up,
22:10
Speaker 1: and they end up flying out to Atlanta and on
22:15
Speaker 1: like the second of January, so like the day after
22:17
Speaker 1: they do this fucking interview with CNN, they fly out
22:21
Speaker 1: there because they're like, fuck this for a game of soldiers,
22:24
Speaker 1: Like what are you? Then now the Ramseyes say that
22:27
Speaker 1: they felt they were like being attacked and pressured by police,
22:31
Speaker 1: you know, because they felt they were being treated like suspects.
22:34
Speaker 1: And frankly, first of all, as you should, we know
22:38
Speaker 1: statistically and and in fairness, the cops not this bills
22:42
Speaker 1: than anyone else. The thing is, we know statistically that
22:44
Speaker 1: when someone is assaulted or murdered or attacked like the
22:48
Speaker 1: majority of their time, it is by someone in their
22:51
Speaker 1: close circle, friends, family, it is by someone they know,
22:56
Speaker 1: like the majority of the time. That is how that happens. Regardless,
23:01
Speaker 1: the Ramses would need to be eliminated as suspects. You
23:07
Speaker 1: have to do that, you have to rule them out.
23:10
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Like, once it was clear it
23:13
Speaker 1: was a murder, the Ramses, they all submitted DNA samples, blood, hair,
23:20
Speaker 1: handwriting samples. They did that, they handed it in, They
23:23
Speaker 1: did it willingly. And here's the thing. This is a
23:26
Speaker 1: rich white family. Their will to do so, like they
23:31
Speaker 1: are exactly the kind of people that the cops would
23:34
Speaker 1: be cooperating with. Like they don't automatically chastise them. This
23:38
Speaker 1: would be a very different story if this was a
23:40
Speaker 1: low income family or even a rich POC family. You know,
23:45
Speaker 1: especially in the mid nineties, like Jesus. But after lots
23:49
Speaker 1: of tit for tat and back and forth and all
23:51
Speaker 1: this stuff, the ramses, they eventually get interviewed by the police.
23:57
Speaker 1: And these are long ass, fucking grueling interviews. John is
24:01
Speaker 1: interviewed for like two hours, two and a half hours,
24:04
Speaker 1: and Patsy is interviewed for over six hours, I mean,
24:10
Speaker 1: which means they were really gunning for Patsy. Part of
24:12
Speaker 1: the reason is because the whole handwriting situation, and like
24:16
Speaker 1: in this ridiculously long interview, Patsy's recollection, her statement changes
24:22
Speaker 1: and that's taken as the official statement of what had happened,
24:26
Speaker 1: and not to be pro Patsy or anything, but this
24:29
Speaker 1: statement is inconclusive. First of all, like memory is just
24:33
Speaker 1: fucking weird. I think a lot of it might be
24:36
Speaker 1: to do with the fact I'm convinced, I'm absolutely convinced
24:39
Speaker 1: that Patsy was on probably every pill. I just kind
24:42
Speaker 1: of assume that she's on volumanship because she was in
24:45
Speaker 1: remission at this point from ovarian cancer, which is probably
24:50
Speaker 1: why they never had any more kids. In fairness, but
24:52
Speaker 1: the media when it comes to Patsy, though, the media
24:55
Speaker 1: really latched onto the fact that she was the pageant
24:57
Speaker 1: mum and that she had this sort of rage and
25:00
Speaker 1: as such. But you know what, I think it's time
25:02
Speaker 1: to talk about the ransom note, right, So the ransom
25:04
Speaker 1: note is just fucking weird. The police and the Ramseys,
25:09
Speaker 1: they have both stated that whoever wrote the ransom note
25:12
Speaker 1: has to be the killer, like they believe that whoever
25:14
Speaker 1: killed John Benney is the person who wrote the ransom note,
25:17
Speaker 1: and it's the main thing in this whole scenario, which
25:22
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. It's just fucking weird because when
25:27
Speaker 1: teaching that criminology and things like that, it's actually used
25:29
Speaker 1: as how to spot something that's fake, Like it's used
25:33
Speaker 1: for statement analysis. It's used for teaching people about misdirection
25:37
Speaker 1: and things like that, and it's also shown as like
25:40
Speaker 1: this is how not to do things. Because you know,
25:43
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read it for you, mister Ramsey, listen carefully.
25:47
Speaker 1: Exclamation point. We are a group of individuals that represent
25:50
Speaker 1: a small foreign faction. We respect your business, but not
25:54
Speaker 1: the country that it serves. At this time, we have
25:57
Speaker 1: your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed.
26:00
Speaker 1: And if you want to see her nineteen ninety seven.
26:03
Speaker 1: You must follow our instructions to the letter. You will
26:05
Speaker 1: withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from your account.
26:08
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand will be in one hundred dollar bills
26:11
Speaker 1: and the remaining eighteen and twenty dollar bills. Make sure
26:15
Speaker 1: that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank.
26:18
Speaker 1: When you get home, you will put the money in
26:20
Speaker 1: a brown paper bag. I will call you between eight
26:23
Speaker 1: and ten a m. Tomorrow to instruct you on delivery.
26:26
Speaker 1: The delivery will be exhausting, so I advise you to
26:29
Speaker 1: be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early.
26:33
Speaker 1: We might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery
26:36
Speaker 1: of the money and hence at earlier pickup of your daughter.
26:41
Speaker 1: Dicky says delivery their deliveries Nibbrits scrawled out. Any deviation
26:46
Speaker 1: of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of
26:49
Speaker 1: your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for
26:51
Speaker 1: proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do
26:54
Speaker 1: not particularly like you, so I advise you not to
26:57
Speaker 1: provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situs c such
27:01
Speaker 1: as police, FBI, etc. Will result in your daughter being beheaded.
27:06
Speaker 1: If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies.
27:10
Speaker 1: If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money
27:13
Speaker 1: is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies.
27:17
Speaker 1: You will be scanned for electronic devices, and if any
27:19
Speaker 1: are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us,
27:22
Speaker 1: but be warned. We are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures
27:25
Speaker 1: and tactics. You stand a nineteen nine percent chance of
27:28
Speaker 1: killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow
27:31
Speaker 1: our instructions, and you stand ah one hundred percent chance
27:35
Speaker 1: of getting her back. You and your family are under
27:37
Speaker 1: constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to
27:40
Speaker 1: grow a brain, John, You are not the only fat
27:43
Speaker 1: cat around, so don't think that killing will be difficult.
27:46
Speaker 1: Don't underestimate us, John, use that good Southern common sense
27:50
Speaker 1: of yours. It is up to you now, John esclamation
27:53
Speaker 1: mark and then it's signed with victory and the initials SBTC. Right, Okay,
27:58
Speaker 1: So let's break this down away bit allway. So the
28:02
Speaker 1: fact of the matter that is is like if this
28:04
Speaker 1: is a genuine note, Because if the ransom note is legitimate,
28:08
Speaker 1: then it's a kidnapping gone bad, and it also excludes
28:11
Speaker 1: the ramses as suspects, because why would they demand money
28:14
Speaker 1: from themselves, because that just doesn't make any sense. But
28:16
Speaker 1: if and if the note is like fake, then we
28:19
Speaker 1: know that this is a murder stage to look like
28:23
Speaker 1: a kidnapping, and that basically opens up the doors to
28:26
Speaker 1: any it could be any fucking person. And again, remember
28:31
Speaker 1: this is a two and a half page handwritten ransom note.
28:35
Speaker 1: But because of the language used, like there's a lot
28:38
Speaker 1: of grammar and incorrect sort of statements. It's very wordy
28:43
Speaker 1: and like it's a complete juxtaposition. Like the language used
28:47
Speaker 1: is a complete juxtaposition. It's so contradictory because not only
28:51
Speaker 1: is it grammatically incorrect in places like it says ah
28:54
Speaker 1: where it should say an, and words like business and
28:57
Speaker 1: possession are misspelled, but it uses word it's like hence
29:01
Speaker 1: attache and deviation, like if you can spell deviation and
29:06
Speaker 1: attache correctly. It's like whoever was writing this note was
29:10
Speaker 1: trying to make it look like the writer was either
29:14
Speaker 1: uneducated or foreign, so like English was not a first language.
29:19
Speaker 1: They're trying to make it seem like that. But it
29:20
Speaker 1: doesn't add up. So we also see that it refers
29:24
Speaker 1: to itself as a small foreign faction. Why why would
29:29
Speaker 1: you do that? Why would you make yourself seem small
29:31
Speaker 1: if you're trying to be intimidating, Like it's like, oh,
29:34
Speaker 1: we're small, so you can't figure out who we are.
29:36
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's not exactly what you want to do.
29:39
Speaker 1: You want them to know who you are because you
29:40
Speaker 1: want them to be scared of you. Like you would
29:43
Speaker 1: say we are the provisional Ira, you'd say we are
29:47
Speaker 1: Islamic Jahadists. You know, you would state how you are
29:51
Speaker 1: because you'll find that terrorist organizations generally want to claim
29:56
Speaker 1: something like they want to claim it. They want to
29:59
Speaker 1: add that to their roster, you know. But like the
30:03
Speaker 1: letter doesn't even have like it's not written with a
30:06
Speaker 1: group of mentality, because it should always say like we
30:09
Speaker 1: as it should be a collective, a hive mind idea.
30:14
Speaker 1: But that's not the case. So like it says I
30:18
Speaker 1: instead of we, And so whoever was writing it clearly
30:21
Speaker 1: fucked up in places. Not only that, but again unnecessarily
30:27
Speaker 1: wordy because it's saying things like we have your daughter
30:31
Speaker 1: in our possession. It's like, why would you say that?
30:34
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just say we have your daughter like
30:36
Speaker 1: why make this note so long? It should be succinct.
30:40
Speaker 1: You want to get to the point, especially if you
30:43
Speaker 1: know you're not that educated, especially if especially if you're
30:47
Speaker 1: not proficient in English. You want to make it small
30:50
Speaker 1: because you don't want to seem foolish. You want to
30:53
Speaker 1: get your point across, because you want to get, you know,
30:55
Speaker 1: to the endgame. Why they say that we respect your
30:58
Speaker 1: business but not the country that it serves. That doesn't
31:02
Speaker 1: make sense. Why why would you feel they need to
31:05
Speaker 1: mention that. It's It doesn't even make sense, Like you
31:08
Speaker 1: would just say I don't respect your country. You wouldn't
31:10
Speaker 1: say you don't respect the business. Anyway, moving on, moving on.
31:14
Speaker 1: The next thing is the money. So one hundred and
31:17
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand dollars is exactly the amount that John Bennett
31:21
Speaker 1: received as a bonus the previous year. Now, John himself
31:25
Speaker 1: is the one who actually points this out to police.
31:27
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, this is strange. This is the exact
31:31
Speaker 1: same amount as my bonus. I don't know why anyone
31:34
Speaker 1: would know that. So it's weird enough that they know
31:37
Speaker 1: exactly how much his bonus is. But so the whole
31:41
Speaker 1: thing about the collection of the money is weird because
31:44
Speaker 1: it tells you to go to the bank, like are
31:45
Speaker 1: banks generally closed like over the holidays, but like it
31:50
Speaker 1: doesn't even say go to the bank. It says get
31:51
Speaker 1: the money from your account, which again still means he
31:54
Speaker 1: has to go to the fucking bank. But whatever, it
31:56
Speaker 1: tells them to bring an attache case, which is why
31:59
Speaker 1: so speci very strange, like why be so specific about this?
32:05
Speaker 1: And also like the Ramses were well off, so one
32:08
Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen thousand is a very small but very
32:11
Speaker 1: specific amount of money to ask for, because they were
32:14
Speaker 1: offering one hundred grand for like information regarding information that
32:18
Speaker 1: would lead to like the arrest of the killer. Like
32:21
Speaker 1: they had money, they had summer homes. That was his bonus.
32:25
Speaker 1: If your bonus is one hundred and eighteen thousand, then
32:28
Speaker 1: you're definitely making a fucking massive chunk of change. And
32:32
Speaker 1: as most movie lovers know, there are quite a lot
32:37
Speaker 1: of quotes or references to like movies like Ransom and
32:42
Speaker 1: Dirty Harry within the note itself. It's very it's very strange,
32:48
Speaker 1: And also there's this weird bit where it's like if
32:50
Speaker 1: you do it, she dies. If you do that, she dies.
32:52
Speaker 1: That's really dramatic, but it doesn't really align with the
32:56
Speaker 1: two men who are watching your daughter don't quite like you.
33:00
Speaker 1: All right, it's not exactly an aggressive statement. But then
33:04
Speaker 1: if you do this, she dies. If you do that,
33:06
Speaker 1: she dies, And like there's so many like exclamation points
33:10
Speaker 1: throughout this, but when it says like if you do this,
33:12
Speaker 1: she dies, you do that, she dies, like there's no
33:14
Speaker 1: exclamation points there, which like really that should be a focus,
33:19
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's really weird because
33:21
Speaker 1: like at the very beginning of the note, it's like
33:23
Speaker 1: mister Ramsey, and then it turns to John. It's like
33:27
Speaker 1: do it now, John, blah blah blah John. It really
33:29
Speaker 1: feels like they're just writing down movie quotes, you know,
33:33
Speaker 1: and it's like they say John three fucking times, Like
33:37
Speaker 1: whoever this is? It feels more personal at this point,
33:41
Speaker 1: like it starts off very sort of formal, and if
33:45
Speaker 1: this was like some kind of hive collective foreign faction group,
33:49
Speaker 1: they would use mister Ramsey, they would continue to do
33:52
Speaker 1: that because they're not personally connected to the fucking man.
33:55
Speaker 1: They just want his money. And then it's ended with
33:57
Speaker 1: like SBTC that like it's an acronym for fucking nothing,
34:02
Speaker 1: like it's it's nowhere. And we have to remember that
34:06
Speaker 1: when this ransom note was being written, there's a high
34:09
Speaker 1: likelihood that whoever was writing this note, when they were
34:12
Speaker 1: writing it, Jean Benet was already dead. And what makes
34:15
Speaker 1: it worse, like we know that this pad and so
34:17
Speaker 1: the writing paper, the pad it came from, and the
34:20
Speaker 1: pen that was used to write it, we're already in
34:23
Speaker 1: the Ramsey's house. Like, if you were going to kidnap someone,
34:25
Speaker 1: would you not have the ransom note ready to go?
34:29
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you go like all old fashion and stick it
34:31
Speaker 1: with like Elmore's glue and a bit of a cutout
34:33
Speaker 1: letters a bunch of magazines. Why would you waste time
34:37
Speaker 1: writing it there instead of grabbing the girl, leaving the
34:39
Speaker 1: note and getting the fuck at a dodge. But like
34:42
Speaker 1: it gets worse and more incriminating because like for the Ramses,
34:47
Speaker 1: because there is a draft of the note there as well,
34:51
Speaker 1: they find that in the house, like I think it's
34:53
Speaker 1: a crumbled up on a trash can or something like that.
34:56
Speaker 1: And this is why, because it mentioned so many things,
34:59
Speaker 1: and it mentions fucking other charm, southern charm. Why would
35:02
Speaker 1: a foreign faction. Know what the fuck Southern charm is?
35:05
Speaker 1: What is that? They don't give a shit about your
35:06
Speaker 1: Southern charm And this is why. So like basically the
35:10
Speaker 1: Ramsy's had to get their handwriting. They'd give handwriting samples,
35:13
Speaker 1: and Burke and John they automatically get. They're automatically excluded.
35:18
Speaker 1: They're fine. Their handwriting doesn't match. But Patsy's is inconclusive,
35:23
Speaker 1: Like they couldn't say one way or the other whether
35:25
Speaker 1: it was like initially I think she was self medicating.
35:29
Speaker 1: So the Ramses they think that this is a kidnapping
35:31
Speaker 1: that ended up as a murderer. So like while somebody
35:34
Speaker 1: was writing the ransom note, John Benney is killed. But yeah,
35:38
Speaker 1: for me, it does look more like a murderer that
35:40
Speaker 1: was staged to look like a kidnapping, and the ransom
35:44
Speaker 1: note just doesn't just doesn't make sense. Is it there
35:47
Speaker 1: to buy time so that the killer can get away?
35:50
Speaker 1: Whom's to say? So A bunch of handwriting experts actually
35:54
Speaker 1: came on board after this and they ruled out for
35:57
Speaker 1: the most part that Patsy was the writer of the note.
36:00
Speaker 1: It basically becomes a fifty to fifty although handwriting analysis
36:03
Speaker 1: I find is in general, a lot of ballocks. It's
36:06
Speaker 1: kind of like blood spatter. It's it's so like you
36:10
Speaker 1: basically have half the grip going yeah, either half kind
36:14
Speaker 1: of growing. No, you know, it's not really anything one
36:17
Speaker 1: way or the other. So let's talk about the basement evidence,
36:20
Speaker 1: because there's a bunch of stuff there, and we're going
36:23
Speaker 1: to have some additional Dana stuff that was found out
36:25
Speaker 1: I think later on. So in the basement, outside the
36:28
Speaker 1: room where John Beney was found, there was a urine
36:31
Speaker 1: stain on the floor. Inside the room, there was a
36:33
Speaker 1: bootprint next to where Joan Beney's body was. It's like
36:35
Speaker 1: a man's bootprint. It's pretty big, and it didn't match
36:38
Speaker 1: anybody in the house or any shoes held by anybody
36:41
Speaker 1: in the house. There was the broken basement window John
36:43
Speaker 1: Ramsay said he broke himself, and there was also a
36:47
Speaker 1: suitcase that was placed under the window. Now, the theory
36:51
Speaker 1: for the suitcase is either it was used to climb
36:55
Speaker 1: out or it was supposed to be a means of
36:58
Speaker 1: transporting either Jomberney Orm's body, depending on how that was
37:02
Speaker 1: going to work. Because remember she's like a wee six
37:04
Speaker 1: year old kid. You can put her in like an
37:06
Speaker 1: average suitcase. And when she was found, she had a
37:11
Speaker 1: blanket covering her chest. And what you normally find is
37:14
Speaker 1: when a family member, especially a parent, if they are
37:19
Speaker 1: responsible for a child killing, especially something accidental, there's usually
37:23
Speaker 1: caretaken with the body. They usually cover the face. This
37:26
Speaker 1: also happens when someone is ashamed of their actions, Like
37:29
Speaker 1: if someone can't deal with what they've done, they usually
37:32
Speaker 1: cover the face of their victim. You know, it's somewhere
37:36
Speaker 1: between affection and despair. Now, neither of this happened for
37:40
Speaker 1: Jean Benet. Just her torso was covered. I mean, perhaps
37:43
Speaker 1: the intention was to cover her face, but it didn't
37:45
Speaker 1: quite work out. It's not like they were trying to
37:48
Speaker 1: hide the body because she was laid out. If they
37:50
Speaker 1: were trying to like cover her up, they could have
37:52
Speaker 1: like bundled her into like a like a ball, like
37:54
Speaker 1: curled her up, but you know, because it would have
37:56
Speaker 1: taken away well for rigging mortis to set in, you
37:58
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And she could been covered with
38:00
Speaker 1: a blanket, which would be like the worst way of
38:03
Speaker 1: hiding anything because that is currently how my child hides.
38:06
Speaker 1: So like if this was a sort of work, did
38:09
Speaker 1: it scenario Like, to cover something up with a blanket
38:11
Speaker 1: is a very very childish way to hide something, especially
38:15
Speaker 1: when you're not fully covering it. What there was a
38:17
Speaker 1: spanner in the works here as well is the fact
38:19
Speaker 1: that there was DNA found on the cord that was
38:22
Speaker 1: part of the garat that was tied around Joan Beney's
38:25
Speaker 1: neck and her wrist. But that's not the only place
38:27
Speaker 1: they found an unknown male's DNA. They also found saliva
38:32
Speaker 1: mixed in with her blood in her underwear. And currently
38:37
Speaker 1: there's actually some kind of good news with this, is
38:39
Speaker 1: that so because of the advancement of technology, especially that
38:43
Speaker 1: regarding DNA. A few days ago there was a statement
38:46
Speaker 1: of hope really that they would be able to find
38:49
Speaker 1: out who this DNA belonged to. And I know you're like,
38:52
Speaker 1: why would they announce that. I just meant a strange
38:54
Speaker 1: thing to announce, especially around about her anniversary. Whether they're
38:57
Speaker 1: doing it to promote the case in order to get
39:00
Speaker 1: more funding in order to be able to like do
39:02
Speaker 1: these tests, or if it's a promotional thing to try
39:05
Speaker 1: and get more people to like submit DNA to like
39:07
Speaker 1: twenty three and me and stuff like that, and ancestry
39:10
Speaker 1: and you know, all those sort of genealogy sites so
39:13
Speaker 1: they can do what they did allah the Golden State killer.
39:16
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's just a way of saying fuck you
39:19
Speaker 1: to somebody because they might have already started the testing.
39:23
Speaker 1: Or could it be a way of trying to convince
39:26
Speaker 1: someone to come forward and admit to the crime because
39:29
Speaker 1: they're saying, listen, we're going to catch you anyway. I
39:31
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe anyway. So because the DNA found on
39:35
Speaker 1: Jean Benet's body is all of an unidentified male, So
39:39
Speaker 1: this is why as well, we have a couple of theories.
39:41
Speaker 1: You know, there's the the Ramsys did it, which is
39:44
Speaker 1: one theory. Another is an intruder did it. But then
39:47
Speaker 1: there's also a kind of in between one as well,
39:50
Speaker 1: like someone they knew did it. So let's fucking break
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Speaker 1: these down. One of the most popular theories for like
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Speaker 1: fucking years was that Patsy did it. So the theory
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Speaker 1: is that Jon Benet wakes up in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the night she's had another bed wetting episode, which apparently
40:07
Speaker 1: was quite frequent, and you know, kids went at the
40:10
Speaker 1: bed for like a fucking number of reasons, Like sometimes
40:13
Speaker 1: it's because they're sick, or they're stressed, or they're drunk
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Speaker 1: too much juice before bedtime, it's too cold for them
40:19
Speaker 1: to get out of bed, or they're really really tired
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Speaker 1: and they don't wake up. You know, they don't recognize
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Speaker 1: the response of needing to pay. But sometimes sometimes frequent
40:30
Speaker 1: bed wedding can be a trauma response to abuse or molestation,
40:36
Speaker 1: especially continued abuse. There's that putting that to the side. There,
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Speaker 1: so and so she's you know, she's getting around the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: she's forceful, and she accidentally slams jon Benet's head against
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Speaker 1: like the side of the bathtub. Freaking out and thinking
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Speaker 1: I've just killed her, she grabs you know, her art
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Speaker 1: supplies of all things, and makes a garrotte and you know,
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Speaker 1: strangles her child. And then in a panic, she writes
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Speaker 1: a draft of a ransom note and then a two
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Speaker 1: and a half page really were they really complicated ransom note,
41:10
Speaker 1: which she then quote unquote discovers herself. Now, I have
41:15
Speaker 1: a few issues with this particular scenario because it doesn't
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Speaker 1: explain the internal injuries to Jean Benet. It doesn't explain
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Speaker 1: the male DNA that was discovered in her clothes, unless
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Speaker 1: of course Patsy was allowing someone to do something to
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Speaker 1: her daughter. I don't know, I don't know. And because
41:34
Speaker 1: she's a pageant mother, they really attacked Patsy, you know.
41:38
Speaker 1: And so some people say that, you know, she did
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Speaker 1: this like she was nothing else, that she put her
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Speaker 1: children harms way by sexualizing her, by putting her into
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Speaker 1: these like beauty pageants, which is the American pageants are
41:51
Speaker 1: are wild to me, and I think it's strained. Toddlers
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Speaker 1: and tiaras terrifies me in general, Like I can't handle
41:57
Speaker 1: it because they use techniques that make them look like
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Speaker 1: little women. They should just look like children. Just make
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Speaker 1: them cute, cute children, you know, keep them, you know, childlike,
42:08
Speaker 1: and like in her family and friends are saying like
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Speaker 1: she would never put her child in harm's way, and
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Speaker 1: then Patsy is just like either really defensive or just
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Speaker 1: incredibly medicated. And when Burke has questioned on it, he
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Speaker 1: just says, like his mum just wasn't really an aggressive person,
42:23
Speaker 1: you know. The next theory is that John Ramsey did it,
42:27
Speaker 1: that he assaulted his daughter and I don't know, something happened.
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Speaker 1: She fights back for the first time, she gets injured,
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Speaker 1: he kills her. Like, the detective on the scene was
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Speaker 1: incredibly suspicious of John because when she told them to
42:41
Speaker 1: search the house from top to bottom, he went straight
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Speaker 1: to the basement, which is an area of the house
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Speaker 1: which wasn't really used too much. And he'd been told
42:48
Speaker 1: like if you have even told like, if you find anything,
42:51
Speaker 1: just fucking leave it, don't touch it. But obviously we
42:54
Speaker 1: know what he did. Takes the table off, brings her up,
42:56
Speaker 1: does all that stuff. And so when the police arrive
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Speaker 1: at the crime scene on the there's like no footprints
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Speaker 1: in the snow, and there's no signs of an intruder
43:05
Speaker 1: and those signs of a break in, but as we know,
43:08
Speaker 1: one of the doors was unlocked, so like an intruder
43:12
Speaker 1: could have just walked it. But anyway, one thing that
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Speaker 1: the detective found really suspicious about John is that like
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Speaker 1: they're supposed to be there between eight and ten am,
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Speaker 1: and they're waiting for this call from the kidnappers, but
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Speaker 1: they don't tell the police, like so they don't mention
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Speaker 1: the deadline, and they don't mention that the deadline has passed.
43:29
Speaker 1: And then because I'm like a lot of people find
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Speaker 1: it really suspicious that John was like planning to fly
43:35
Speaker 1: them out the following day, but they were supposed to
43:37
Speaker 1: be leaving for a trip that day anyway, and they
43:39
Speaker 1: were told to get out of the house and they
43:40
Speaker 1: were like, We're just going to go back to our
43:42
Speaker 1: old home. But because of the DNA testing that happened
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, it exonerates both Joan and
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Speaker 1: Patsy from an assault. Finally, we have the intruder theory.
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Speaker 1: So Jean Benet is taken down to the basement by
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Speaker 1: person or person's unknown, is bound, gagged, sexually assaulted and killed.
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Speaker 1: Her body is dumbed in the spare basement room to
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Speaker 1: kill her right to the Ramsom note and leaves. That
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Speaker 1: is the basic unknown assailant theory. Then, of course there
44:13
Speaker 1: is a someone the family knew, which is a little
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Speaker 1: bit more graphic. So I'm going to suggest you skip
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Speaker 1: forward like a minute and a half, ah, because this
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Speaker 1: isn't This is not going to be a pleasant discussion. Ah.
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Speaker 1: It made me cry when I read it. Okay, So,
44:29
Speaker 1: so Jean Benet had been talking about getting another present
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Speaker 1: from Sander. She was going to be getting something else.
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Speaker 1: This could have been something to do with the trip
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Speaker 1: that they were all about to take as a family,
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Speaker 1: which is the reason why Patsy got up so early
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Speaker 1: the next morning. So Jean Benet is lured downstairs by
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Speaker 1: a man. So he takes her downstairs. He lures her
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Speaker 1: to the basement area where the presents were normally kept.
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Speaker 1: He duck tapes her mouth, he bounds her and sexually
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Speaker 1: assaults her. And then, either during or after the mother's station,
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Speaker 1: this six old child, this little girl, is strangled. He
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Speaker 1: rummages through the basement and he finds the art supplies
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Speaker 1: the closest thing to hand. He strangles Jean Benety. Like
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Speaker 1: why he didn't use his bare hands to do it?
45:13
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe this was a thing. But Joan
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Speaker 1: Binney gets so scared that she wets herself when the
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Speaker 1: manual strangulation isn't finishing her off. When the girl isn't
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Speaker 1: quite doing the job he wanted it to, he finishes
45:26
Speaker 1: the job by smacking her in the head. After killing
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Speaker 1: the child, he writes a note, not because he wants
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Speaker 1: the money, but because he wants to either buy time
45:35
Speaker 1: or throw suspicion on the ramses. Hence the specific amounts
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Speaker 1: and the weird language, and he leaves the house, So
45:44
Speaker 1: that is the intruder di it theory. So the Ramses
45:48
Speaker 1: have been cleared of and twenty five years later, it
45:52
Speaker 1: is the case is still cold. It's unsolved, but the
45:56
Speaker 1: immediate Ramsey family members, Patsy John and they have been
46:01
Speaker 1: you know, exonerated. They're not suspects from a legal standpoint anyway.
46:06
Speaker 1: And again we have this new sort of update on forensics,
46:11
Speaker 1: which means we could possibly be able to track down
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Speaker 1: who the murderer was, if he has if he does
46:18
Speaker 1: have relatives out there, because it's a mixed DNA sample
46:21
Speaker 1: because it is mixed in with her blood, but it
46:23
Speaker 1: is also under her fingernails, and they could check the
46:27
Speaker 1: not of the cord, which I'm sure would have more
46:29
Speaker 1: sort of touch DNA on it, and I really hope
46:32
Speaker 1: they do. I really think this per fucking child gets
46:38
Speaker 1: some fucking justice because everyone says this little beauty queen,
46:43
Speaker 1: this idle, this imagery, and all I say is a
46:46
Speaker 1: sex year old girl who never got to ride the
46:48
Speaker 1: bike she got for Christmas m hm and have nothing else.
46:52
Speaker 2: I think Chanpinnay deserves, she deserves answers, and not just
46:57
Speaker 2: to be a Subreddit tantalizing trivia and for people to
47:01
Speaker 2: practice their slothing skills.
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Speaker 1: Jean Beney deserves justice, and I really fucking hope she
47:06
Speaker 1: gets it. So that's the story here. Jean Viney ramsay
47:11
Speaker 1: and so that was really fucking heavy and heartbreaking. But
47:16
Speaker 1: I would very much appreciate it if you would rate
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Speaker 1: or Spotify if and I think we're gonna like decompress
47:25
Speaker 1: a wee bit. I think it's probably a good idea.
47:28
Speaker 1: We'll decompress and the recommendations this week, I think we
47:32
Speaker 1: should go for something a bit more lighthearted. So I'm
47:35
Speaker 1: gonna recommend for reading Dear Girls by Ali Wong because
47:39
Speaker 1: I love her as a comedian. She's so funny and
47:42
Speaker 1: so yeah, read that and try not to cry, because
47:46
Speaker 1: that's not gonna make you cry. Probably for listening. Let's
47:52
Speaker 1: listen to some funny stuff, you know what. I am
47:56
Speaker 1: gonna recommend The doll Up. It is a comedy history podcast.
48:01
Speaker 1: I'm generally it's generally based in the US. The two
48:05
Speaker 1: fellas that are on it Dave and Garl, Gareth Garth,
48:12
Speaker 1: Gareth Reynolds, Dave Something and Gareth Reynolds. They're really they're good.
48:16
Speaker 1: I assure you they're funny. I promise you it's really funny. Anyway,
48:22
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of like feel good movies
48:24
Speaker 1: or like funny TV shows, but honestly, just watch Hawkeye.
48:28
Speaker 1: I thought the it's upsetting in places, but like the
48:31
Speaker 1: scenes between Yolena and Kate give me Life. They are
48:37
Speaker 1: so funny, They're so well done, they're perfect, they're on tone,
48:40
Speaker 1: they work so well with the characters. It's absolutely perfect.
48:44
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48:47
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