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SERIAL RAPIST 'Nic Rossi' Hides in Scotland CLAIMING TO BE IRISH ORPHAN, NOW IN UTAH JAIL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease is a seemingly happily married
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Speaker 1: man living with his wife in Scotland. Really a multiple
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Speaker 1: rapist wanted in the US. A guy seemingly who is
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Speaker 1: a fantasist aka liar who claims to be wait for it,
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Speaker 1: an Irish orphan. Well, wouldn't that explain a lot why
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Speaker 1: we can't find any correct birth certificates to match up
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Speaker 1: to Nicholas Rossy aka Nicholas Alverdian, an Irish orphan. My
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Speaker 1: rare end I mean, I see grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Crime Stories and
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Speaker 1: on serious sex. Sem one eleven an Irish orphan? Did
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Speaker 1: he develop a brogue? I've got so many questions. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know where to start, but let's just start
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Speaker 1: at the beginning. Who is this guy? Listen?
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Speaker 2: Nicholas Alaverdian's obituary appeared on a memorial site called ever Loved.
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Speaker 2: It detailed how the man who grew up in foster
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Speaker 2: care became a Harvard graduate and a vocal critic of
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Speaker 2: Rhode Island's childcare system after suffering sexual abuse as a child.
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Speaker 2: It also detailed how Alaverdian died of Hodgkins lymphoma at
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Speaker 2: thirty two years old, leaving behind a wife and two
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Speaker 2: young children, who remained at his bedside as he died.
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Speaker 2: According to his wife, his last words were fear not
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Speaker 2: and run toward the bliss of the sun.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I just need to take that in. Hold on.
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Speaker 1: His last words were fear not and run toward the
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Speaker 1: bliss of the son. Hold on, fear not and run
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Speaker 1: toward the bliss of the son. Well. When that O
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Speaker 1: bit was published, immediately it was met with skepticism, including
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Speaker 1: by one of his own foster moms. Contacted by Alvarian's
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Speaker 1: biological mother, his own bio mother called the foster mom
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Speaker 1: and goes, hey, read this O bit. It sounds like
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Speaker 1: he wrote it himself. Follow the bliss of the sun again.
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Speaker 1: Let me just say my rear end. Well, mother knows
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Speaker 1: best once again, doesn't she? So what more or do
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Speaker 1: we know? Take a listen to our friend days Macket.
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Speaker 3: Crime online Nicholas Alavertian's death was alive an elaborate scheme
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Speaker 3: created by Nicholas Rossi, a man charged with sexually assaulting
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Speaker 3: a former girlfriend in or a mutah, as well as
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Speaker 3: multiple complaints against him in Rhode Island for alleged domestic violence.
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Speaker 3: Nicholas Alaverdian was born the eldest of three children. His father,
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Speaker 3: who had convictions for domestic assault and selling cocaine, left
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Speaker 3: the family three years later. According to the Providence Journal,
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Speaker 3: Alaverdian's mother, Diana, married David Rossi, an Engelbert humperting impersonator.
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Speaker 3: David Rossi, the stepfather, says at an early age, Nicholas
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Speaker 3: would hit his mother, grandmother, siblings, and wouldn't listen in school.
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Speaker 3: Ala Verdian was placed in psychiatric care where doctors diagnosed
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Speaker 3: him with narcissistic personality disorder and attention deficit disorder. After
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Speaker 3: being discharged from the treatment program, Aliverdian was returned to
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Speaker 3: his family. Briefly, he created such conflict within the family
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Speaker 3: home he was placed into the care of dcyf. As
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Speaker 3: far as Alaverdian's claims of being a Harvard scholar, he
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Speaker 3: did study comparative literature in an extension program class offered
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Speaker 3: by Harvard University, but he did not graduate. He was
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Speaker 3: administratively withdrawn from the course when the university learned of
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Speaker 3: his sex vendor status. After faking his death, alavertian headed overseas.
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Speaker 1: That's so much information I'm drinking from the fire hydrant
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Speaker 1: what I've written that first of all, to Tim White
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Providence, Rhode Island, investigative reporter and
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Speaker 1: managing editor w PRTV, that CBS affiliate, co author of
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Speaker 1: The Last Good Heist, and professor journalism Roger Williams University.
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Speaker 1: Tim White, first of all, critical, who is an Engelbert
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Speaker 1: humperdick impersonator.
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Speaker 4: Well, that was his stepfather, whose name he adopted after
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Speaker 4: his mother remarried at the time. I mean, as you
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Speaker 4: could hear from his biography, unconventional childhood, I think to
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Speaker 4: put it mildly and lightly, including the profession of his
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Speaker 4: stepfather and one in which he found himself in and
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Speaker 4: out of the child welfare system here in Rhode Island,
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Speaker 4: where he alleged physical and mental abuse while being under
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Speaker 4: the state's custody.
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Speaker 1: He's a liar. He is a narcissistic liar. So am
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Speaker 1: I supposed to believe that did that really happen? Maybe?
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Speaker 1: But maybe not? And I do know this isn't it true,
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Speaker 1: Jim White that he would hit his mother and his grandmother.
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Speaker 1: Of course, his siblings he misbehaved in school, but hitting
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Speaker 1: your own mom and your grandma, right, that.
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Speaker 4: Is what the stepfather alleged at the time, that he
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Speaker 4: was a tough kid who would fly off the handle.
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Speaker 4: And look, there is well, there are arrests for domestic
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Speaker 4: violence here in Rhode Island, where he was he pled
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Speaker 4: no contest, no local tendre to charges that he was
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Speaker 4: physical with a girlfriend in a suburb of Providence. So
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Speaker 4: there's definitely allegations and there's also a conviction of being
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Speaker 4: physically violent with people in his orbit.
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Speaker 1: Jim White, can I just clarify when you say he
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Speaker 1: was quote physical with a girlfriend, you mean he beater?
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Speaker 5: Yes, correct?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, what about being a quote Harvard scholar. They
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Speaker 1: kicked him out of the program, which I'd like to
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Speaker 1: point out as an extension program, which means you're an
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Speaker 1: extended distance away from the school. But they Harvard kicked
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Speaker 1: him out when they found out he was a sex offender.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they did. I mean, look, it's clear from the
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Speaker 4: evidence that he tried to exaggerate his resume when he
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Speaker 4: was trying to particularly when he was trying to push
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Speaker 4: his agenda here in Rhode Island with state lawmakers a
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Speaker 4: lot of them who bought the story that he was
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Speaker 4: selling he was trying to reform the state child agency,
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Speaker 4: and he would hold up this this resume that he
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Speaker 4: had that he was a Harvard scholar and all that
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Speaker 4: that was obviously a lie. He didn't graduate from Harvard.
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Speaker 4: He definitely pushed the envelope on that one. And I
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Speaker 4: think you bring up an important question Earlier. You wondered
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Speaker 4: if the allegations he made against the state Child Welfare
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Speaker 4: Agency were even legit. Now that lawsuit was dismissed, and
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Speaker 4: it was dismissed because as of many as you know,
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Speaker 4: many lawsuits are dismissed because they were settled, and I
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Speaker 4: believe he had told family members it was settled for
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Speaker 4: about seventy thousand dollars, not a big number, but the
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Speaker 4: child Welfare agency denied any wrongdoing and set as part
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Speaker 4: of the agreement in the settlement that they did not
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Speaker 4: admit to any wrongdoing.
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Speaker 5: So I think you're.
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Speaker 4: Right to question whether or not the allegations he made
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Speaker 4: against DCYF were actually legitimate considering what we know now.
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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out how Nikolas al Avernion
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Speaker 1: aka Nick Rossi ends up pretending to be an Irish
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Speaker 1: orphan in Scotland when he's got a slew of rape
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Speaker 1: allegations and violence allegations back in the US, all the
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Speaker 1: way to orem Utah. But first of all he had
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Speaker 1: to register as a sex offender Listen.
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Speaker 2: Nicholas Alaverdian, using the name Rossi, was accused of assaulting
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Speaker 2: a young woman he met at Sinclair Community College in Ohio.
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Speaker 2: The two had lunch together. Alaverdian offered to walk the
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Speaker 2: co ed to her next class, and she agreed. The
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Speaker 2: co ed claims Alaverdian pinned her against a wall in
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Speaker 2: a basement, groped her, and masturbated. Alaverdian apologized and asked
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Speaker 2: the girl not to tell anybody. She made a police report,
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Speaker 2: and Alaverdian aka Rossi, was convicted of public indecency and
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Speaker 2: sexual imposition and was required to register as a sex offender.
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Speaker 1: To Brett Brown, joining US Executive director of sasst GO
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Speaker 1: Surviving Assault, Standing Strong to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence
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Speaker 1: against women, Brett Brown, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: That's why a lot of women never go forward with
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Speaker 1: rape or sex assault allegations. They almost universally somehow feel
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Speaker 1: like it's in some way their fault. Like this young
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Speaker 1: woman just twenty one was at Sinclair Community College and
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Speaker 1: she allowed him to walk her to her next class. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure at some point felt, well, that's my
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Speaker 1: fault because I let them want me to class. It's
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Speaker 1: not her fault. And I think he got off really
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Speaker 1: lightly on that.
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Speaker 6: I totally agree. We see women universally as survivors feeling
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Speaker 6: obligated to be nice and to be kind, and when
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Speaker 6: they do that and they are then abused or assaulted,
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Speaker 6: they blame themselves because they feel like they gave him
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Speaker 6: permission to behave that way.
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Speaker 1: And then if you are angry about it, then you're
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Speaker 1: a quote man hater and you're frigid and you're cold
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Speaker 1: because you don't like to be assaulted. And it makes
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Speaker 1: me wonder, Brett Brown, if that was his demo at
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Speaker 1: the time, how many other women never came forward?
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Speaker 6: Yes, because what he did was brazen, and while in
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Speaker 6: a relatively private space in the building, in a public
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Speaker 6: space during the day, he was very emboldened at this point.
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Speaker 6: So I would think there are probably many women who
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Speaker 6: have not come forward.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is isn't this true, Brett Brown?
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Speaker 1: Everyone would be very surprised to find out who that
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Speaker 1: they know has been molested or sex assaulted and have
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Speaker 1: never breathed a word of it.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, we see it all the time across the country.
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Speaker 6: Statistics alone show that one in four women will be
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Speaker 6: abuse for assaulted in their lifetime. So yes, they're all
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Speaker 6: around us.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with me. It's a grease wait for it,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tie this together, or Tim White's going
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Speaker 1: to tie it together. The Irish orphan living in Scotland
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Speaker 1: who faked his own death and then as bio mom
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Speaker 1: reads his obit and goes, uh uh, he's not dead.
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Speaker 1: He wrote this. I guarantee you he wrote this. You
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Speaker 1: know that reminds me of Let me go out to
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Speaker 1: Greg Algrin joining us out of Laredo, international lawyer at
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Speaker 1: disruis dot com. Greg, do you remember, of course you do,
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Speaker 1: the unibomber sure who wrote this huge manifesto thousands and
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Speaker 1: thousands of words and insisted that it be published. I
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Speaker 1: guess it was in the New York Times and his
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Speaker 1: brother read it and went, wait, that's take as Inskey,
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Speaker 1: that's my brother. I know who wrote that, And his
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Speaker 1: own ridiculous manifesto gave a way that he's a unibomber
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Speaker 1: and it's take is insky.
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Speaker 7: I see some parallels for sure.
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Speaker 1: This guy writes his oh bit it is biommeos. I
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Speaker 1: know he ain't dead, He's alive. Why is it that
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Speaker 1: so often criminals give themselves away in this manner?
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Speaker 7: It's that narcissistic attention seeking personality they have, since it's
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Speaker 7: their their fatal weakness.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Greg Augrin, are you a psychologist as well as
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, because I hear you throwing around psychological just orders.
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Speaker 7: Are you No?
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Speaker 1: I'm not either, But I know what narcissism means because
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Speaker 1: I actually had to teach well, I wanted to teach
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Speaker 1: Greek and Roman mythology while I was waiting to find
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Speaker 1: out if I was going to get into law school.
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Speaker 1: And everyone knows about narcissus, but we just so happened
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Speaker 1: to have a forensic psychologist with us. Author of Dark Sides,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Kalshewski, Doctor Jeff, what is a narcissist? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know Greg Algrin is correct, but explain that narcissus
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Speaker 1: saw his image in a pool of water, fell in
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Speaker 1: love with himself, didn't notice anything else around him, anything
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Speaker 1: or anyone, and finally was trying to get to himself
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Speaker 1: and fell in the water and died.
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Speaker 8: Wow, we only have an hour to talk about narcissism
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Speaker 8: crime hit me and.
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Speaker 1: Hit me hard on ROSSI.
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Speaker 8: Oh boy, So again, how many times do we talk
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Speaker 8: about some of these criminals, and particularly when we do
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Speaker 8: programs on murderers where narcissism ends up being the flaw
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Speaker 8: that trips them up. Again, we could talk about this
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Speaker 8: for days. I need to put a video on my
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Speaker 8: YouTube channel on forensic psychology about narcissism and murders. Because
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Speaker 8: narcissists think that they're more brilliant than anyone else. Narcissists
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Speaker 8: believe that what they do is right, and they have
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Speaker 8: typically absolutely no insight into what they're doing others may
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Speaker 8: judge as inappropriate, wrong, or that they might get caught.
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Speaker 8: They are the center of the universe and what they
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Speaker 8: do is right, and that the world does not appreciate
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Speaker 8: that and actually sanctions them arrests them is just unfathomable.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 8: In the early days when they began to write about
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Speaker 8: narcissism in the psychiatric literature, they actually initially called it
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Speaker 8: a psychosis because the people that were writing about just
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Speaker 8: could not believe that people who were so narcissistic didn't
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Speaker 8: even recognize that their ideas about themselves and the world
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Speaker 8: were flawed and they were really not consistent with the
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Speaker 8: reality around them, So they started to talk about it
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Speaker 8: initially as a psychosis.
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Speaker 1: You know who I think was a narcissist is a narcissist,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kalischewski. And I almost hate to bring his name up,
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Speaker 1: but he's the poster boy for so many things that
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Speaker 1: are all wrong. Scott Peterson, Oh, yeah, as you know,
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Speaker 1: I was going to say that because I mean, granted,
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Speaker 1: some people, not me, of course, think he's attractive. I
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Speaker 1: think he looks like the devil. But that said, he
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Speaker 1: has this beautiful wife, Lacey. She's expecting their first baby
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Speaker 1: around Christmas. So he naturally goes and has sex affairs,
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Speaker 1: not just one, but many, and then lies about it,
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Speaker 1: kills her and tries to pretend that he was in Brussels. No,
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Speaker 1: it was Paris, France on New Year's Eve with his
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Speaker 1: friend Pierre and Jacques. Yeah, and the lying and when
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Speaker 1: he went on the run after dyeing his hair blonde.
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Speaker 1: That's certainly not a felony. He had a bunch of
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Speaker 1: I think it was condoms in viagra. He needed that
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Speaker 1: to go on the run. I mean, everything was about
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Speaker 1: him and what would suit him and his desires, and
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Speaker 1: it cost the life of Lacy and her unborn child.
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Speaker 1: Connor would that be indicative of narcissism? Doctor Jeff Kelschewski.
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Speaker 8: Right, narcissism and lying. So narcissists, they inno sense believed
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Speaker 8: their own lives, and they can't even fathom the idea
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Speaker 8: that other people would not believe their lives. How many
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Speaker 8: times have we looked at these cases and these allies
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Speaker 8: are just so egregious and so odd that any national
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Speaker 8: person would know their lives. But to the narcissist, they
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Speaker 8: can't even fathom the idea that you would think they're lying?
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Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you not believe I'm an
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Speaker 1: Irish orphan, not a sex predator, even though my DNA
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Speaker 1: matches up to a rap kid. But that said, let's
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Speaker 1: plow forward. I mean an Irish orphan, as I always
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Speaker 1: like to say, being part Irish. If you're lucky enough
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Speaker 1: to be Irish, you lucky enough. But this guy is
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Speaker 1: neither an Orphan nor Irish, and he ends up in
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Speaker 1: Scotland under a different name, adamantly denying that he is
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Speaker 1: Nicholas Alverdian. Okay, let me get us back on track
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Speaker 1: after leading you out in the weeds. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this.
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Speaker 9: Two years later, police are called to an apartment in
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Speaker 9: Rhode Island by the friend of a woman involved in
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Speaker 9: a relationship with Nicholas Alaverdian. When police arrive, they hear
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Speaker 9: arguing and screaming. When the woman comes to the door,
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Speaker 9: she has marks on her face and in left eye,
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Speaker 9: and her right eye is swelling. The woman tells police
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Speaker 9: she and Olivertian were arguing and when she tried to leave,
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Speaker 9: he slapped her in the face. Police arrest Olivertian, who
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Speaker 9: proclaims his innocence and begins banging his head on the
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Speaker 9: bars in the back of the squad car. Officers have
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Speaker 9: to use pepper spray to make him stop trying to
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Speaker 9: hurt himself. Alavertian pleads no contest to domestic simple assault.
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Speaker 1: You know anybody on this panel, please jump in, but
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Speaker 1: let's see Tim White. Do you have children?
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Speaker 5: I do?
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Speaker 1: Has one ever thrown a fit? You know, on TV
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Speaker 1: you see them lying in the floor and there Tommy
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Speaker 1: kicking and screaming. You ever seen that? Has any of
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Speaker 1: your children ever had a fit?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're keen now, But when they were toddlers that, yeah,
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Speaker 4: sure that would happen.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well whenever. They didn't do it very often, but
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Speaker 1: the very few times, I think, maybe only once, each
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Speaker 1: one of them had a quote fit as we call
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Speaker 1: it down South. And I didn't spank then with yell
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Speaker 1: of them. I just stood there and watched them. With Lucy,
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Speaker 1: I actually started laughing because when she finished her fit
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Speaker 1: in the floor, she poked her lips out like you would.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen lips poke out that far, as my
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Speaker 1: grandmother would say, you're poking your lips out so far
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Speaker 1: I could plan a road with turnips on him. Yeah. So,
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Speaker 1: And that set me into laughter, which you're not supposed
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Speaker 1: to do when a child throws a fit, because that
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Speaker 1: infuriates them further to be laughed at. But this is
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. He gets in the back. First of all,
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Speaker 1: he has an argument with the friend of the woman
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Speaker 1: that he's dating because she's not agreeing with everything he says,
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Speaker 1: and he beats her, he beats her, and then when
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Speaker 1: police show up and put him in the squad car,
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Speaker 1: he throws a fit and starts banging his head. I
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Speaker 1: think I would have just let him bang his head
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, but they stopped him with pepper spray,
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Speaker 1: and he pleads, this is what I hate, Tim White,
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Speaker 1: no contest, as you said earlier, Nolo contender to that.
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Speaker 1: In other words, I didn't I'm not saying I did it,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I didn't do it. I'm just
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Speaker 1: not contesting it, and I'll take my punishment. Remember what's
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Speaker 1: critical to me right here, Tim White, is this is
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Speaker 1: two years after he pushes this woman against the wall
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Speaker 1: in the basement, gropes her private pars and in masturbates
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Speaker 1: class all the way. Keep it classy, Rassi. Now he's
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Speaker 1: beating up a woman who is known to him, just
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Speaker 1: two years later. I don't know what he's done in
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Speaker 1: the meantime, but now there's that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Look, he had a pattern of we know, violent behavior,
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Speaker 4: particularly against women, and at the time that that arrest happened,
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Speaker 4: we now know there were other allegations against him. I'm
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Speaker 4: sure you'll get to in Utah and just to bring
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Speaker 4: up something you said earlier, the rape, correct, well, two
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Speaker 4: rapes in Utah. And then there was you know, of
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Speaker 4: course the sexual assault you already talked about in Ohio,
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Speaker 4: but court documents that were unsealed in Utah now giving
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Speaker 4: us a lens into other allegations that had happened in
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Speaker 4: four other states. We already talked about Ohio, Utah, Massachusetts,
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Speaker 4: Rhode Island of you know, people accusing him of a
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Speaker 4: pattern of sexual assault, and in the court documents that
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Speaker 4: even talked about kidnapping. So those haven't been adjudicated. There
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Speaker 4: are two charges out of Utah, there's a conviction out
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Speaker 4: of Ohio. You talked about the conviction in Patucket. But
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Speaker 4: clearly investigators are looking at other allegations that are happening.
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Speaker 4: And there's even one in We didn't even talk about
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Speaker 4: the one in the UK, they were investigating an allegation
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Speaker 4: of sexual assault.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I now realize I've got to make
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Speaker 1: a list. Okay, Tim White, I'm going to have to
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Speaker 1: make a list. Okay, We've got a right allegation in UK,
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Speaker 1: We've got Utah or Utah, we have Pawtucket. Okay, what else?
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Speaker 4: So you have the conviction in Ohio that you've talked
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Speaker 4: about quite a bit. And there are two charges out
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Speaker 4: of Utah, one out of Utah County and one out
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Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City County.
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Speaker 1: And we're learning that a woman has just come forward
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Speaker 1: claiming that two years earlier she was assaulted by Alvertian
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Speaker 1: aka Nick Rossi, the Irish orphan when she was just eighteen.
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Speaker 1: But hold on, let's plow forward, because I can't wait
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Speaker 1: to get to him claiming he's an Irish orphan in
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Speaker 1: Scotland and pretending he's not Alvertian. So he's got the
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Speaker 1: masturbating on the woman. Now, he's got the beating of
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Speaker 1: the girlfriend's friend and showing out in the cop car.
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Speaker 1: But somehow he managed to get a wife. Okay, listen.
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Speaker 3: Nicholas oliverti And married in November of twenty ten. His
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Speaker 3: wife filed for divorce six months later and filed a
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Speaker 3: police report saying she had a restraining order against him,
22:53
Speaker 3: but Olivertian wouldn't leave her alone and repeatedly called her
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Speaker 3: police initiate an arrest warrant for violation of a protection.
23:00
Speaker 3: Olivertian's second marriage lasted one month longer than his first
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Speaker 3: with his second wife filing for divorce after seven months,
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Speaker 3: A temporary restraining order against Olivertian is put in place,
23:10
Speaker 3: but at court rules, he violated it when he took
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Speaker 3: all the household items and furnishings out of the marital residence.
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Speaker 3: The Providence General reported Alaverdian owed his ex wife fifty
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Speaker 3: two thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: What a horse's rear end. There's a lot of other
23:26
Speaker 1: Latin phrases for that, like jack. But not only does
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Speaker 1: he meet the woman, it's his second wife to follow
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Speaker 1: tro against him, but then he takes all the furniture
23:36
Speaker 1: and high household items when he leaves. He's like take that.
23:41
Speaker 1: He takes all the stuff after he scares the woman
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Speaker 1: out of her skin. I mean, it never ends with
23:48
Speaker 1: this guy, hey, doctor Jeff Kalshewski. So many crimes result
23:54
Speaker 1: from a tumultuous relationship, and the party's own always blame
24:00
Speaker 1: each other when you have so many people pointing the
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Speaker 1: finger at you, as I love to argue to jury's
24:07
Speaker 1: all these women are lying and Alverdian is the only
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Speaker 1: one telling the truth. He's got two wives, one foster
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Speaker 1: divorce after six months, one after seven months. Staying power.
24:21
Speaker 1: You've got women claiming rape, assault, masturbating on them. What
24:26
Speaker 1: they're all lying except for him, Doctor Jeff Kelshewski.
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Speaker 8: Right, again, we're talking about this whole narcissistic aspect of
24:34
Speaker 8: this person. We're talking about likely a personality disorder. And
24:39
Speaker 8: they actually again they sort of believe their own lives
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Speaker 8: and the mass conspiracy of all these women from all old.
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Speaker 1: Now, okay, look, I know you're educated in this and
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Speaker 1: I am totally ignorant, but let me just go ahead
24:54
Speaker 1: and argue with you. Anyway. I think he knows he's lying.
24:57
Speaker 1: I don't think he believes this for one minute. I
24:59
Speaker 1: think his effrontery is that he's angry other people won't
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Speaker 1: believe his lies because he's got all his spaces covered
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Speaker 1: like oj Simpson, what oh?
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Speaker 8: I think? Yeah, I think you're out of something. He
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Speaker 8: might He might know he's lying, and again, like you said,
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Speaker 8: be angry that other people can't accept what he says
25:21
Speaker 8: is believed, even if he knows it's a lion self.
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Speaker 1: So here he goes. He's also a deadbeat not paying
25:27
Speaker 1: the Why that he owes all that money to you
25:29
Speaker 1: for stealing the furniture. He just skips town. He leaves
25:32
Speaker 1: Ohio and moves to your jurisdiction. Tim White, Rhode Island,
25:38
Speaker 1: But the beat goes on. Take a listen to Sidney
25:42
Speaker 1: Sumner Crime Online.
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Speaker 9: In twenty seventeen, the Bureau of Justice assistants the BGA
25:47
Speaker 9: awarded the Commission on Criminal and Juvenile Justice over two
25:50
Speaker 9: million dollars for Utah to process the backlog of untested
25:54
Speaker 9: sexual assault kits in the state. In twenty eighteen, one
25:57
Speaker 9: of the UTAH kits that was originally filed in two
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Speaker 9: two thousand and eight was tested and matched Nicholas Olivertian's
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Speaker 9: DNA from the two thousand and eight Ohio sexual assault case.
26:06
Speaker 9: A sealed arrest warrant was issued in September twenty twenty
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Speaker 9: for Nicholas Rossi Aliverdian. But that's not all the police
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Speaker 9: were looking at him for. The FBI was investigating him
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Speaker 9: for fraud. One of Alaverdian's foster parents, Sharon Lane, notified
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Speaker 9: authorities that Alaverdian opened up twenty two different credit cards
26:23
Speaker 9: in her husband's name and rang up nearly two hundred
26:26
Speaker 9: thousand dollars in debt.
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Speaker 1: What is it with this guy? What about it? Tim
26:32
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. Two hundred thousand dollars in
26:36
Speaker 1: debt acually opens up credit cards. Is somebody else's name.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of money. I mean, look, he is.
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Speaker 4: And that's not the only one you've already touched on
26:45
Speaker 4: another in which he allegedly owed in ex ife fifty
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Speaker 4: two thousand dollars. There's spen other allegations of financial fraud
26:54
Speaker 4: by Rossi or Alaverdian, whatever name you want to choose,
26:57
Speaker 4: that he goes by at the time. And look, I
27:00
Speaker 4: think it all feeds into what doctor Jeff was talking
27:03
Speaker 4: about earlier in the program, sort of this narcissism that
27:08
Speaker 4: it's him against the world. He's the victim in all
27:10
Speaker 4: these cases. That's the type of image that he has
27:14
Speaker 4: always portrayed when he again thrust himself into the spotlight
27:18
Speaker 4: here in Rhode Island to accuse the the child welfare
27:22
Speaker 4: agency of wrongdoing over all that time, and we saw
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Speaker 4: it firsthand as reporters when he allegedly died. The news
27:33
Speaker 4: agencies weren't running the o bit because there's old saying
27:36
Speaker 4: in journalism, Nancy, if your mother says she loves you,
27:39
Speaker 4: check it out. And this was something that you have
27:42
Speaker 4: to do when you're looking into the allegation that this
27:46
Speaker 4: semi high profile figure in this market had died. And
27:50
Speaker 4: we started getting very angry emails from someone claiming to
27:54
Speaker 4: be his wife, saying that we're dishonoring his memory by
27:58
Speaker 4: not blah blah blah. And it's clear to us now
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Speaker 4: that that was more likely than not Alabertian emailing us.
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Speaker 1: Directly pretending to be the wife. I mean, this guy,
28:07
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and very shortly, I'm going to bring
28:10
Speaker 1: you on a special guest. Erv Brandt, who travels the world,
28:15
Speaker 1: is basically a bounty hunter. He doesn't like that term,
28:19
Speaker 1: but he's with the US Marshall Service senior inspector and
28:24
Speaker 1: he can tell you anything you want to know about
28:26
Speaker 1: bringing people just like Nick Rossi aka Alavertian home. Now, okay,
28:33
Speaker 1: we dropped off with I mean, there's so many places
28:37
Speaker 1: to drop off. He just charged the quarter million dollars
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Speaker 1: on one of his foster mom's husband's credit card. Thanks mom,
28:48
Speaker 1: But that's not really the worst of it. Listen to
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton at Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: In the meantime, Alavertian continued his sex assault ways twenty
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Speaker 2: six year old woman online, identified only as the initials MS.
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Speaker 2: They dated for two months. She loaned him money, but
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Speaker 2: he didn't pay it back. MS says he locked her
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Speaker 2: in the bedroom, forced himself on top of her, and
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Speaker 2: raped her. Utah authorities now say Alaverdian also raped his
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Speaker 2: twenty one year old former girlfriend in Orum, Utah in
29:20
Speaker 2: the same year with the same method. He promised to
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Speaker 2: repay money, lured the woman, who has not been named
29:26
Speaker 2: by authorities, back to his apartment, and raped her.
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Speaker 1: Similar actually not similar fingerprint crimes, same modus operandim method
29:35
Speaker 1: of operation. And I find it really interesting. And I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that Greg Algren, high profile lawyer joining us out
29:44
Speaker 1: of Laredo, we'll want to weigh in on this. Earlier,
29:49
Speaker 1: we heard from investigator reporter Sidney Sumner that the Justice
29:54
Speaker 1: Bureau awarded two million dollars to process old rape kit.
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Speaker 1: They were just sitting on the shelf and there wasn't
30:03
Speaker 1: enough time or money to process them all to catch
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Speaker 1: the purpse with DNA. It reminds me of Eliza Fletcher,
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Speaker 1: the Memphis mom who went out jogging early in the morning.
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Speaker 1: She was raped and murdered by a rapist. Kleiotha abstin
30:24
Speaker 1: and in that case, there was a rape kit just
30:26
Speaker 1: sitting on the shelf. It had not been analyzed. Everybody
30:30
Speaker 1: blames the crime lab, but the crime lab can only
30:33
Speaker 1: work x number of hours. They need more people and
30:36
Speaker 1: more money to keep up with all the rape kits
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Speaker 1: and the crimes. But instead we're spending the taxpayers money
30:44
Speaker 1: doing so many other things. That's a whole other can
30:47
Speaker 1: of worms. But if Kleiotha Abston had been behind bars
30:52
Speaker 1: as he should have been on a rape then Eliza
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Speaker 1: Fletcher would be alive with her children right now. But no,
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Speaker 1: the good news out of this is because of that
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Speaker 1: two million dollar grant, This guy Nick Rossi aka Alaverdian's
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Speaker 1: DNA pops up. He is the rapist according to diox
31:15
Speaker 1: Saraibo ni Klake Acid. In the meantime, we've got two
31:19
Speaker 1: more sex assault victims rape victims, samemo. But then what happens?
31:26
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Dave mac.
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Speaker 3: The death of Nicholas Olivertian was met with skepticism by
31:30
Speaker 3: those in law enforcement, and in July of twenty twenty,
31:33
Speaker 3: the Rhode Island State Police opened an investigation. As the
31:36
Speaker 3: investigation began Oliverdian's foster mother, Sharon Lane, said she was
31:40
Speaker 3: contacted by Aliverdian's biological mother who asked her to check
31:44
Speaker 3: out the obituary. The minute Sharon Lane read the obituary
31:47
Speaker 3: with all of the adulatory comments, she believed it was
31:50
Speaker 3: written by Olivertian himself and that he faked his death.
31:53
Speaker 3: Utah authorities continued investigating the first rape allegation against Nicholas
31:57
Speaker 3: Olavertian and issued a warrant for his the rest seven
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Speaker 3: months after he supposedly died. An FBI search of oll
32:04
Speaker 3: of Verdian's iCloud account and cell phone records led investigators
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Speaker 3: to Scotland.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grease. IRV brand joining me, Senior Inspector,
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector DOJ, Office of
32:34
Speaker 1: International Affairs, author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Bluestone
32:39
Speaker 1: and Flying Solo, Top of the World. It's about his
32:44
Speaker 1: books are about this character, the swashbuckling character Jack Solo,
32:49
Speaker 1: who has a striking similarity to IRV Brandt. So IRV Brandt,
32:58
Speaker 1: it's not good when seven months after you quote die
33:03
Speaker 1: that an arrestaurant is issued for you.
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Speaker 5: No Nancy, it's not good. It's a very good investigation
33:10
Speaker 5: by multiple jurisdictions and that led to finding Aliavertian in Scotland.
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Speaker 1: And it's really amazing the way that they find him.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Sidney Sumner
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Speaker 1: Crime online.
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Speaker 9: As investigators were looking for Nicholas Alavertian and Nicholas Rossi
33:27
Speaker 9: in the United States, a man named Arthur Knight was
33:30
Speaker 9: being treated for COVID nineteen at Queen Elizabeth University Hospital
33:33
Speaker 9: in Glasglow.
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Speaker 1: He had been living a happy new life.
33:36
Speaker 9: Married a woman named Miranda, and he worked as a tutor,
33:39
Speaker 9: but then he suffered a serious case of numanitis caused
33:42
Speaker 9: by COVID nineteen. Someone recognized him through his distinctive tattoos.
33:46
Speaker 9: They were a match to those from a Pawtucket police
33:49
Speaker 9: booking photo of him. In December twenty twenty one, they
33:52
Speaker 9: arrested the convicted sex offender in the Glasglow hospital where
33:55
Speaker 9: he lay critically ill. With COVID authority say Knight was
33:58
Speaker 9: just one of Alivertians sixteen known aliases, which include Nicholas Rossi,
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Speaker 9: Nicholas Brown, Arthur Brown, and Arthur Knight Brown. He was
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Speaker 9: identified through fingerprints and DNA, as well as an analysis
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Speaker 9: of his distinctive tattoos.
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Speaker 1: Okay, to you, Tim White, joining us from wp r IV.
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Speaker 1: What is the distinctive tattoo?
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Speaker 4: Well, actually, I was looking at some of those pictures
34:24
Speaker 4: just getting ready for this interview, and he has some
34:26
Speaker 4: tattoos on his arm that you know. I'm gonna call
34:31
Speaker 4: up some of the pictures here so I gotta describe him.
34:33
Speaker 4: But he had tattoos on his arms that you know,
34:36
Speaker 4: they're they're very distinct.
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm looking at them. It looks like
34:42
Speaker 1: some kind of a bizarre coat of arms with the
34:45
Speaker 1: son coming up over the coat of arms and giant wings,
34:50
Speaker 1: I mean they go. It's almost a full sleeve. And
34:53
Speaker 1: on the other arm, it looks something like a navy anchor.
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Speaker 1: He's covered the anchor.
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Speaker 4: It's the symbol of Rhode Island. It's on our state flag.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 4: I suspect that's probably White as I'm there.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Now, of course, with all of these distinctive tattoos,
35:13
Speaker 1: that's one way to put it. And sixteen known aliases.
35:19
Speaker 1: Of course, Greg Augrin, high profile warrior out of Laredo.
35:24
Speaker 1: I love nothing more when the prosecutor reads the indictment
35:28
Speaker 1: to the jury and reads off the witnesses to make
35:32
Speaker 1: sure none of them are related or know the witnesses.
35:35
Speaker 1: I love it when the whole front page of the
35:37
Speaker 1: indictment is a listing of the defendants aliases aka Alverdian
35:43
Speaker 1: aka Nicholas Brown aka Author Brown aka author Knight. I mean,
35:50
Speaker 1: because nobody on the jury is going to have an alias,
35:53
Speaker 1: just a defendant.
35:54
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is obviously this guy is a serial CNN
36:01
Speaker 7: experienced criminal.
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Speaker 1: It gives a jury a horrible impression, but it's true,
36:07
Speaker 1: and you have to read off all the aliases to
36:09
Speaker 1: the jury in case they know him under some fake name.
36:14
Speaker 1: So it's a necessity of the law. But when ladies,
36:18
Speaker 1: when you meet a guy that a wants money in
36:22
Speaker 1: b has an alias and I'll just throw this in
36:25
Speaker 1: there has a second cell phone, run for the hills
36:29
Speaker 1: as if you had seen a monster. So to you,
36:32
Speaker 1: IRV Brant, how did they track this guy down? And
36:36
Speaker 1: of course he wouldn't waive extradition. He insisted he was
36:40
Speaker 1: an Irish orphan and challenged authorities to prove he wasn't.
36:45
Speaker 1: So how do you tackle something like that or Brant.
36:47
Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, it's in the UK. It's very complicated. They
36:51
Speaker 5: have an extensive appeals system.
36:54
Speaker 1: Just a second, anywhere the lawyers have to wear, including women,
36:58
Speaker 1: a white wig on their head. I would say, it's complicated,
37:02
Speaker 1: but go ahead, Okay.
37:03
Speaker 5: You're right it is. And he maintained the whole time
37:09
Speaker 5: that authorities had the wrong individual, even though he was
37:13
Speaker 5: confronted with DNA evidence, fingerprints, the distinctive tattoos. His defense
37:23
Speaker 5: was always that's not me. So he contested the identity
37:28
Speaker 5: part of the extradition all the way through the appeal process,
37:33
Speaker 5: until finally the Crown decided that it is indeed the
37:38
Speaker 5: same person wanted in the United States, and the Crown
37:42
Speaker 5: issued a surrender warrant to the Office of International Affairs
37:45
Speaker 5: and the US Marshall Service conducted the extradition.
37:49
Speaker 1: How are they typically brought back from overseas.
37:52
Speaker 5: Well, typically they would be brought back on a commercial flight.
37:56
Speaker 1: I mean with paying customers like myself and my children.
37:59
Speaker 1: I all of this guy sitting behind me.
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Speaker 5: Well, the marshals would take up a whole row and
38:04
Speaker 5: they would take the last row and there you ever.
38:08
Speaker 1: See snakes on a plane? Man? Think about it?
38:12
Speaker 5: Right. The marshals would either normally go be the first
38:17
Speaker 5: one insta board and they would take them to the
38:19
Speaker 5: very last row and there would be marshals on both
38:22
Speaker 5: sides of them, and he wouldn't be allowed to get
38:24
Speaker 5: up during the flight. But in a case like this,
38:28
Speaker 5: this lunatic is not going to get on a commercial flight.
38:31
Speaker 5: He's going to fake a medical emergency. The flight crew
38:36
Speaker 5: would not let him on the flight. So what the
38:40
Speaker 5: Marshal Service did, and this is typical of cases of
38:45
Speaker 5: this nature, is they would charter a flight and in
38:49
Speaker 5: the charter, in the bid for the charter, the flight
38:52
Speaker 5: crew would have medical personnel and also the Marshall Service
38:57
Speaker 5: have deputies trained em keys that they would put on
39:02
Speaker 5: that extradition to bring him back and they would fly
39:05
Speaker 5: him from the UK to the East Coast to the
39:08
Speaker 5: United States, normally someplace like Bangor, Maine, to go through
39:13
Speaker 5: CBP where they would file the parole letter to get
39:17
Speaker 5: him back into the country Custom Border Protection. It's going
39:23
Speaker 5: through immigration, is what I'm saying. I'm sorry why Bangor, Well,
39:29
Speaker 5: the jets that they would we're going to have to
39:33
Speaker 5: refuel after a transatlantic flight. Bangor is one of the
39:38
Speaker 5: closest you go further up the East coast in instead
39:44
Speaker 5: of New York or someplace, or you know, Atlanta, one
39:48
Speaker 5: of those international airports. You go as far north as
39:51
Speaker 5: you can because it's the shortest route to the United Kingdom.
39:54
Speaker 1: So wait a minute. He faked an ailment and tried
39:57
Speaker 1: not to get on the plane.
39:58
Speaker 5: Well, he they ailments in the past, and court appearances.
40:04
Speaker 5: He'd faked illnesses, and the Marshall Service knows this, so
40:08
Speaker 5: they know trying to put him on a commercial flight
40:11
Speaker 5: would be a waste of time because when they brought
40:13
Speaker 5: him to the gateway, he's going to fake an illness
40:16
Speaker 5: and the flight crew won't let him on the flight.
40:20
Speaker 5: So to get around that, they were charted the flight
40:25
Speaker 5: fly to the East Coast.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe my taxpayer's money is going to fly
40:30
Speaker 1: this guy. How I'm on a charter flight, but I'd
40:32
Speaker 1: rather do that than have him on a plane with
40:35
Speaker 1: children and innocent, innocent civilians. This guy shot to fame.
40:41
Speaker 1: I'll just call him Nick Rossi, although that's certainly not
40:43
Speaker 1: his name, after he wildly gestured when he insisted he
40:50
Speaker 1: was innocent, so much so that he fogged up his
40:53
Speaker 1: own glasses. So Greg Algrin, international lawyer, joining US out
40:58
Speaker 1: of Texas. How do you fight extradition when DNA not
41:04
Speaker 1: just fingerprints, but DNA also proves it's you. You're not
41:08
Speaker 1: an Irish orphan living in Scotland, You're a rapist in
41:13
Speaker 1: multiple US jurisdictions.
41:15
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's difficult. So it seems like there's no question
41:18
Speaker 7: here was the individual they're looking for. I mean there
41:23
Speaker 7: are obviously, you know, there are technicalities that have to
41:26
Speaker 7: be followed, procedural formalities, and so if you were defense
41:32
Speaker 7: counsel in an extradition matter, you know, you would argue
41:36
Speaker 7: that the different due process protocols hadn't been complied with.
41:42
Speaker 7: You could also argue that there was a discrepancy in
41:48
Speaker 7: the criminal law systems between the two different jurisdictions that
41:52
Speaker 7: made the crimes incompatible.
41:54
Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at Nicholas Rossi, Nicolas Rossi with
41:58
Speaker 1: air quotes assistent that he cannot breathe properly or walk,
42:03
Speaker 1: and he has now put an oxygen mask on his face,
42:07
Speaker 1: and he is actually fogging up his glasses as he
42:12
Speaker 1: vehemently denies being Alverdian, and his wife on video overpowers
42:20
Speaker 1: him and forces him to sit back down because he
42:23
Speaker 1: is so ill. Long story short, if there is such
42:27
Speaker 1: a thing in this case, Tim White, where is he
42:30
Speaker 1: now and what is next?
42:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's in Utah right now. He is being transferred
42:35
Speaker 4: from one county to another. He was transferred to Davis County,
42:40
Speaker 4: Utah because they have the contract with the US Marshall
42:43
Speaker 4: Service when detainees come into that state, that's where they
42:47
Speaker 4: go from the US Marshall Service. He will then go
42:50
Speaker 4: either to Salt Lake City County or Utah County, which
42:54
Speaker 4: is where I think he's going to go, because that
42:56
Speaker 4: is the original charge that came out of that two
42:59
Speaker 4: thousand and seven test of the rate kits that you
43:02
Speaker 4: discussed earlier. I do want to jump back real quick, Nancy,
43:05
Speaker 4: briefly on one thing that a guest said earlier. Not
43:09
Speaker 4: only did he maintain that he was Arthur Knight that
43:13
Speaker 4: entire time, trying to drag out the process, the legal
43:16
Speaker 4: process in the UK, he alleged it was part of
43:19
Speaker 4: a grand conspiracy that the tattoos on his arms that
43:23
Speaker 4: were an exact match to the booking photos of Patucket,
43:26
Speaker 4: Rhode Island from the police Department there were placed on
43:29
Speaker 4: his arms while he was unconscious at a Scotland, Scottish hospital,
43:34
Speaker 4: he said that the fingerprint match those were faked, so
43:38
Speaker 4: that it was a government fake, that the DNA that
43:40
Speaker 4: was fake. So not only did he just simply maintain it,
43:44
Speaker 4: he went through extraordinary lengths to try to maintain that
43:48
Speaker 4: image that he was this Irish orphan mistaken identity over
43:54
Speaker 4: in the UK. It's pretty wild, Jim.
43:55
Speaker 1: Why I want to thank you for making me the
43:58
Speaker 1: happiest woman on earth right now, because not only is
44:01
Speaker 1: their DNA proving that he is a rapist, and believe
44:05
Speaker 1: you me, women are lining up around the courthouse to
44:10
Speaker 1: testify against him, but now he's saying there's a conspiracy. Oh,
44:15
Speaker 1: I love that. I remember prosecuting. I get one hundred
44:18
Speaker 1: new cases a week. I didn't have time to prosecute
44:21
Speaker 1: and investigate those cases, much less cook up a conspiracy
44:26
Speaker 1: against an innocent person. I'm so happy that they tattooed
44:30
Speaker 1: him in his sleep and faked his fingerprints.
44:34
Speaker 9: Oh.
44:34
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the jury to hear that. We
44:37
Speaker 1: wait as justice of the folds, not a bounty hunter.
44:42
Speaker 1: Goodbye Fred