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Elon Musk Bans Multiple Accounts, Suspends Journalists. 3rd largest Tesla Shareholder wants Musk to Step down as CEO. · Elon Musk Podcast

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Let's talk about a little bit of Elon Musk controversy going on.
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There's been a lot going on with Elon lately, especially on the
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Twitter front and there's some technical things we should talk
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about. There's some business stuff we
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need to talk about. And there's also some personal
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things and one of the most prominent users that has been
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tracking Elon Musk throughout the time that they've had their
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account on Twitter, has just been banned for doxxing.
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And if you're not familiar, Familiar with doxing is it's
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basically sharing the location or other details of a person
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with a malicious intent. The account in question is at
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Elon Jet and I used to use this Twitter account to track and see
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when Elon Musk was coming to Brownsville Texas.
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Because when you don't Ilana showing up in Brownsville Texas,
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it's probably something along the lines of a very important
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test that they were doing with Starship or maybe he was going
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there for some other reason that's important deal for space.
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Sex. So I would use the account every
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once in a while I'd say. Yeah, elon's coming down to
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Brownsville and like it didn't really give you real-time
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tracking information. I give you an approximate time
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when Ilan would show up since his band.
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Now you can't see a lot of the older tweets that they had but
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basically what they would show you is a time would heal on
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would leave an approximate time when Ilan would show up in
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Brownsville. So I would deduce from that that
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Elon was going to be safe. He's going to show up on a
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Tuesday and I better go elon's gonna be here on the F in the
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afternoon on Tuesday. And so by the time Elon is here
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in the afternoon on Tuesday I'll have some news to report
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probably the next day so I would use it as a tool.
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Now, something else happened recently in elon's life that was
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a little bit more malicious according to Elon.
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And this is his tweet expressing that he was stalked and somebody
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was malicious towards him due to doxing.
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According to the rules on Twitter, you are not allowed to
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Doc's people. You are To show their exact
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location or the nearby location if they aren't aware of it.
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So, the account was banned, but also not only that, Not only was
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the Elan jet account, banned there were several reporters and
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journalists accounts band. Due to reporting on this issue.
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The silencing of these prominent voices, raises regulatory heat
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on Twitter with the EU and possibly elon's other companies
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including Tesla and SpaceX will. Which is a big recipient of
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government, funding through the Department of Defense for SpaceX
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and Tesla for subsidies for EVS. And there were online protest,
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news organization, the times CNN, various other Publications,
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and online Outlets, they all demanded Ilan to explain why he
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did this and supporters of these journalists argued on Twitter
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that the move was putative at best.
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Because Elon hasn't provided any proof that these tracking
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systems. Ilan jet was using were harming
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him in any way, or anybody else for that matter.
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And to top it all off, lawmakers in the European Union.
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May go offensive on this Veer zhirova vice president of the
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European commission, said, this may have violated the eu's
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Digital Services act in its freedom, its media Freedom Act.
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She tweeted news about arbitrary suspension of journalists on
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Twitter is whirring. This is reinforced under our
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media, Freedom Act, Elon. Musk should be aware of that.
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There are red lines and sanctions.
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Soon, the Digital Services act serves as kind of a rule book
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for platforms, like Twitter servicing, the the block the EU,
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it goes into effect next year. And it carries a fine of about
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six percent of global revenue. For companies that break the
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rules musk also suspended several other flight tracker
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Accounts at this time which are dedicated to planes owned by
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Russian oligarchs or the US government in in a group voice
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chat on Twitter. Night.
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And a space is chat. What are the band reporters?
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Defended the work to Elon Musk. This is where it gets really
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interesting and they insisted, he didn't publish the Twitter
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bosses address didn't say anything about a where Ilan was
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musk got upset and said, no that's not true at all.
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But then musk left the chat, just left and I want you to hear
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this because I think you're going to get something out of
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this. You're going to see how Elon
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acts when he's confronted by these journalists you want.
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Thank you for joining. I am hoping that you can give a
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little more context about what has happened in the last few
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hours with a handful of journalists being bad.
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Yeah. Well as I'm sure everyone who's
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been dachshund would agree. You know drawing real-time
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information about somebody's equation is inappropriate and I
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think everyone on this call would not like that to be done
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for to them and and for their is not going to be any distinction
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in the future between journalists or will journalist.
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And and regular people, everyone's going to be treated
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the same. They're not special because
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you're a journalist. You're just you're just getting
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your Twitter during his Jewish citizen.
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So no special treatment your Doc's.
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You doc, you get suspended and a story.
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So and enter the event of an evasion, been evasion or like,
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or try Greek slabber about like, oh, I posted a link to the
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real-time information. It's obviously, that is
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obviously simply trying to evade.
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The meaning that is there's no different from hidden pastebin
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actually showing real-time. So when you're saying post, Not
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linked to it. I mean, some of the people like
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Drew and, and Ryan Mac and New York Times who were banned were,
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you know, they were reporting on it in the course of sort of
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pretty normal journalistic Endeavors.
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You consider that like a tricky attempt at Bain evasion.
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You show the link to the real-time information been
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evasion. Obviously, I drew, I don't think
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you were posting to real-time information, right?
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I mean, oh, you're suggesting that we're sharing.
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Our address, which is not not true.
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And you're suggesting that we're posting.
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We never, I never posted your address, they posted links to
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address. We posted a link week in the
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course of reporting about Elon jet.
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We posted links to Ilan jet which are now not online and now
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banned on Twitter and Twitter. Also, of course marks even the
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Instagram and Macedon accounts of Eli jet as harmful.
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Using, you know, we have to admit acknowledge using the same
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exact link blocking technique that you have criticized as part
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of the hunter B in New York, Post story and 2020.
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So what is different? Yeah here.
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And there for me, it's no more acceptable for me for you.
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That is for me, same thing. So anyway, so it's unacceptable
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what? You're doing, know what you
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Doc's, you get suspended, and the story.
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That's it. Ilan.
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I have to ask. I mean, I think what everyone's
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wondering is it. Highly unusual for journalists
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at the Washington Post and the New York Times to be Heather.
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Predacon suspended. And it just so happens that
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it's, you know, the boss in charge, you know.
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I guess that's unfortunate because yeah I mean yes what the
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difference is that, you know, man, trying to Monique I was
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raring to go guys and some of the suspected accounts belong to
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reporters who recently covered or tweeted about the dispute
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between musk and Elon jet. Now, Ilan, Jet is really miss
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Jack Sweeney and he's a freshman in Florida and he was tweeting
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about elon's private jet the approximate location of it.
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There's public flight data for his jet and it's out there for
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anybody else to find and to use and post anywhere they want to.
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But Elon doesn't want it on Twitter.
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So, think about this for a second, it's a private company
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in private companies can make their own rules as long as they
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follow the rule of the land. So, like we were saying before
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the EU the block. Have some laws coming into the
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books early next year that will find people and find
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organizations for this kind of behavior.
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But also, it's a private company in the United States.
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So Elon can do whatever he wants to do to make the platform.
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However, he wants to make it and if he says the doxing and
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real-time data isn't a good thing on the platform, then sure
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he can ban those people and he can make a rule that shows that
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that's not an acceptable use case for the platform.
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And musk also said, Is that the suspension of these accounts for
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the journalists had been lifted. Okay, so they've been appealed
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Ilan Has Lifted the suspensions but also Ilan said they posted
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my exact real-time location. Basically assassination
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coordinates in direct violation of Twitter, terms of service,
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seven day suspension for doxing. Some time away from Twitter is
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good for the soul musk said in the later tweet.
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But In coordinates because a jet was being tracked.
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I don't know if he was going a little bit above and that if you
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know what I'm saying, if he's talking about, you know, he was
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afraid for his life, you know, somebody literally jumped on the
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car of his child during this whole Fiasco.
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That was the Elan jet Fiasco and they rattled around a little bit
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and then Elon, which is a funnier thing.
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Not even funny. This is kind of a, it's a, it's
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a horrible thing to do to somebody.
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He basically doxxed a person, his own Twitter account with 150
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million followers, but Elon posted a video on his Twitter
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account of somebody sitting in their car, they had a mask on.
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They had a, you know, they had a hat and a mask on there were
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dressed in black. He didn't have any proof that
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this person was doing anything wrong, but he posted this
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person's likeness and not only that their license plate.
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Number on his Twitter account and said and asked if anybody
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had any information about this person so he's basically asking
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somebody else to Doc's this person for him.
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Hey do you have any information about this person and if you do
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send it over to me if that's not something that we should be
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informed about and aware about and think about and a little bit
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broader context? I don't know what it is.
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So the little bit more context about the the rattling.
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I of Elon and his child. I'll get into that in one
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second. And in order to run suspend, all
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of these accounts Ilan posted a poll on Twitter.
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Now, this is where it gets a little bit more interesting to
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posted a poll on Twitter to his 141 million followers.
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The pool was unsuspended accounts.
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Who doxxed, my exact location in real time.
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Now, there's four answers here. Now tomorrow, seven days from
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now and longer. Forty-three percent voted for
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now, four percent voted for tomorrow.
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Fourteen percent voted for seven days from now and 39 percent
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voted for longer. So, seven days from now in
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longer, got the most amount of votes together and now in
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tomorrow is equal to 47 percent. So seven days from now in longer
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have more than 50%. So people thought that maybe
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people should be banned for a little bit longer then a day or
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two. To, you know, so Ilan posted
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that and he apparently didn't like the way that that turned
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out. He'd I guess he didn't like the
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way that the pole ran and it wasn't, you know, we don't
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really have any back-end information to see what Ilana
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was thinking with this pole. If he should have made it easier
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but he did, he made it easier, he made it easier into a pole
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with just two question or two answers here, so, as opposed to
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the four he did two answers. One was Now in one was in seven
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days in the Tweet said, unsuspended accounts who docks
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my exact location in real time. The first answer is now in the
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second is in seven days. Now got 58 percent, fifty point,
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seven percent of the votes it in seven days got forty one point,
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three percent of the votes so now one easily with fifty eight
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point seven percent of the votes so in that was December 15th.
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18, 20 22. It 11:34 p.m. and we have a
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verdict for this. Everybody has been on band that
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has been suspended for doxing, his exact location in real time
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as Elon puts it. He even put it in quotes.
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He just put it as my exact location in real time.
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And remember these see his assassination coordinates as he
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put them and he wants to unsuspended them now.
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Does that seem safe to you? This thing?
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But that for a second, if these people are going to really docks
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you of Elon thinks that there's a harm being done by these
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people. Would he unsuspended them
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critical think that for a second if you know, people are out to
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get you would you unsuspended them now or in seven days or
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ever? So he left it up to the voting
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on Twitter, the, which I don't know if you trust that.
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There were three point six, nine zero, six three nine votes.
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Three point six nine Million votes on this and 58.7% said,
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yes. Now do it.
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So we learn said, okay, we're going to do it.
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So he unbanned those accounts, those people that were tweeting,
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his exact assassination coordinates.
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So, and I say this, as somebody who likes to think of both sides
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of things, you know, it in something like this, you have to
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be journalistic about a, you have to think of both sides of
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it were these journalists thinking.
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Look, we're just reporting on a story.
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You know, this is going to grab headlines.
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This is going to make us some money.
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This is going to drive people to our article, which is going to
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bump up our numbers. We can keep our jobs for a
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little bit, you know, that's kind of how journalism has
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always gone. There are journalistic in
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integral parts of our communities, right?
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So we have people that just report the news, no spin no
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catchy, headlines, just a picture of the thing that's
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going on or a video of the thing that's going.
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On and facts, right? Or you can write about some
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stuff with some crazy headlines and a crazy content that will
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get a bunch of clicks and these people were reporting on the
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Elan jet account and saying, yeah, okay.
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He's following his bid following Elon for the longest time but
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also in an earlier tweet about three months ago, Ilan posted
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that when he takes control of Twitter.
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He's not going to or is 34 days ago.
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I believe less it was about a month ago.
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He's not going to ban the Elan jet account because why would he
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is Free Speech, right? Ilan is a proponent of all free
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speech. Everything should be allowed.
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And if this data is public data that anybody can go out and get
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It's literally transmitted over the air waves for pilots and for
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airports, anybody can tap into this.
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It's just data, you know. Do you suppress?
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That's free speech by suspending that account by doxing a
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location. That's what he wants us is it's
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a docks of a location. Do you suppress that is free
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speech if it's free and open data, is that free to use?
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Is it, you know, it's out there in the airway?
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Anybody can get it. Think about it for a second.
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What would you do in this situation?
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Elon says, it's a, it's a security risk for him and his
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family. And I totally understand that
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and I'm not trying to invoke any emotions with anybody here, but
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If, if it's going to harm you and your family, or anybody
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else's family, or anybody else's children, anybody's parents,
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grandparents friends, anything should there be limitations on
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this? Sort of speech, is that sort of
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the going into a movie theater or a public place in yelling
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fire? Is that the same thing?
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What do you think about that for a moment?
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Because I'm doing reporting on the incidents that happened.
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But also this is Is a broader sort of conversation that people
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should be having about a social media at this time because
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somebody just took over one of the biggest social media
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platforms on Earth and now has the reins to it and it has all
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of the power over and can make kind of arbitrary choices what
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the rules are. So is this okay to track
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somebody's plane due to public information, you know can use
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public information information for that.
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So that's where e line is that right now?
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He believes, it's doxing and he unsuspended the accounts who
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docks his exact location in real time.
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He unsuspended all of them. So he was true to his word.
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In that sense, suspended them gave him a little warning and
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said, hey, don't do this again and those accounts have been
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published again, they can publish things in their past
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tweets, if they are doxing, they've been removed.
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But also if you try to post links to other websites or other
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apps, Apps that track Ilan jet, there's a new Reddit, there's a
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new sub Reddit about Elon Jet and it tracks elon's real time
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in his jet and you cannot post to that anymore because of
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Twitter's new rules Banning any sort of real time exact location
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data that you post to Twitter. So just something to think about
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and on November 9th, Elon Ask tweeted, please note that
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Twitter will do lots of dumb things in coming months.
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We will keep what works and change.
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What doesn't? So you haven't right there from
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Elan that he said we're going to make mistakes and if you see the
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Banning of Elon jet or those journalists as a mistake that's
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a possibility investors in Tesla that are worried about what
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elon's doing over a Twitter Ilan has promised that Tesla would
20:59
benefit from his Twitter by out but Wall Street is thinking the
21:03
other way and he's sick. Some people are Wall Street are
21:06
thinking that he's using Tesla. as sort of a bank account for,
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Twitter SEC, filings revealed Elan sold three point six
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billion dollars in Tesla stock. So analysts have been
21:22
speculating that this money will help cover Twitter's deficits
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and that's kind of a concerning thing for a lot of investors.
21:31
You don't want the head of the company to draw money out of
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that company and put it into something else that you don't
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know what this three point six billion dollar or how This 3.6
21:43
billion dollars is going to make you money, that's what you're in
21:47
it for, right? So you buy stocks in a company
21:49
because you want to make money, you want to support their
21:51
company. Of course, you know, you want to
21:53
support Tesla and whatever they do.
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But also, you put money into this company because you want to
21:59
see a return on your investment. If you put a hundred dollars in
22:04
Disney in the beginning, you are rich Beyond Compare.
22:09
And if you're rich, I don't know what the numbers are to be
22:11
honest with you, but you Have you have a good good amount of
22:14
money. Now, if you put a thousand
22:16
dollars two thousand dollars, three thousand dollars twenty
22:18
thousand dollars into Disney. At the beginning you have a
22:21
pretty good chunk of change and you know there's there's a bunch
22:25
of people at these these meetings and these investor
22:28
meetings that are saying, we don't really like this, we don't
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understand why you're taking 3.6 billion dollars of your stocks
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and trading them out, selling them all, and then taking this
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money, putting into Twitter, which that doesn't have anything
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to do with Tesla. Why?
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Why you spend three point six billion dollars of your stock
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and mind you? This is money that Elon has
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earned through his his options through the company.
22:51
So it's his money. But also, these stocks are going
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out to other people and not being held by Elon at this
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point. So, this brings the total of
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Tesla stock. That musk sold this year to
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twenty three billion dollars. People thinks this is kind of a
23:08
shake-up because if you take twenty three billion dollars
23:11
away from, Le and you give to other people, you know, sell to
23:15
other people. Of course, you're going to make
23:17
the money, you know, I was going to use that money for things
23:19
like SpaceX. He's going to use that money for
23:22
things like Twitter, boring company and his charitable
23:25
Endeavors, but also this recent 3.6 billion dollars, it was in
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the same timeframe that Elon took over Twitter.
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So Elon promised that in the Long Haul Tesla would benefit
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from his ownership of Bitter though and analysts aren't
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really on board with that, Dan Ives it wedbush wrote in a
23:49
report Thursday. That Twitter remains a nightmare
23:54
for investors because musk has been using quote, Tesla as his
23:58
own ATM machine to keep funding and quote.
24:03
So, ATM machine. I've always had a problem with
24:05
that because ATM means automated automated teller machine, but if
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you do ATM machine, automated teller machine machine.
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It's always silly. But I digress, Twitter's author,
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their stocks down a little bit to.
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There's some shareholders that are not really happy.
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The third largest individual, shareholder calls for a new CEO
24:28
as Twitter continues to take the money away from Tesla.
24:32
So Ants and Tesla is wearing thin and Elon is spending a lot
24:38
of his time running Twitter this point but Elon tweeted not so
24:41
long ago that he is not really in the day-to-day operations of
24:47
both SpaceX and Tesla this point he does help out he does his
24:52
thing. Now Ilan has people in charge to
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do the day-to-day operations for Tesla and SpaceX boring company
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and neurolink as well. Those companies aren't small.
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Fast Nimble startups anymore. They're legit companies.
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They're making millions and billions of dollars hand over
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fist. So he doesn't need to be there
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every day sleeping on the floor like you used to because that's
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something you would do at a start-up.
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You'd spend all of your time there because you need to make
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this thing work Tesla's. Third, largest individual
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shareholder. Kogi on.
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Leo is calling for a new CEO of Tesla which would allow musk to
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focus on his other Ventures like SpaceX and Twitter, a Leo said
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Ilan abandoned Tesla and Tesla has no working CEO, Tesla needs
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and deserves to have working full-time, CEO.
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That's what they tweeted on Wednesday and they have a 22
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point. Seven million share position and
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Tesla. As of September, it's worth 3.5
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seven billion dollars. They built their stake in Tesla
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during the early days of the covid-19 pandemic when the stock
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traded at a split and adjusted price of about Forty dollars
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compared to today's 150, some odd dollars and it fluctuates a
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little bit. It was a hundred and fifty five
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dollars at the time of this recording has been going down a
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little bit and Tesla Shares are down 55 percent.
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Year-to-date in the stock has erased about 225 billion dollars
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in market value, since must closes deal to buy Twitter in
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late October, race about 225 billion dollars in market value.
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And the declined came at the time when the S&P 500 climbed
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more than three percent up. So, investor concerns a real
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wedbush Dan Ives called must Twitter Venture, a circus and
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quote, The Twilight Zone. So Elon is in charge of Twitter
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taking time away from his time at Tesla and 3.5 billion dollar
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stake, investor wants more time with Ilan or wants a new CEO.
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If Elon doesn't want to leave Tesla, he could have another
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role in the company. Still get a share, still get his
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money and use that money for Twitter.
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Use that money for SpaceX every year he takes up money for his
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Ventures on the side. He's an employee according to,
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you know, some people in the company, you know, some higher
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ups, the stuck holders, there they are, the people in charge.
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They're the people that have all the money invested in Tesla, so
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if they call for a new CEO, They could get a new CEO.
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They could, they could force a new CEO, you know, Tesla's
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grown-up Tesla is a big company. Now, they're a corporation.
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They make Vehicles Evie's for millions of people now, and it's
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a thing to be in the business and to be in charge of the
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business and be there in day-to-day operations or to have
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five other things going on. Like, Elon does if you can take
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care of those five, other things, that's great.
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Most People can't, if I have 5 things to do, I would go crazy,
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especially on the scale that Ilan has.
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I mean, I don't think anybody could really take care of that
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in such a way, that it would be beneficial to everybody involved
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in every single one of those companies if I were in charge of
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all the one, all of those companies wouldn't make it to be
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honest with you, but Elon has a way about him that he can do
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multiple tasks at a very, very high level that most people.
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Even think about doing so is it okay for him to be let go is the
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CEO and take another role in the company, maybe head engineer,
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you know something like that, who knows we'll see in the next
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few weeks maybe a month or so at to see what the shares do at
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Tesla and if the stockholders if the shareholders are going to
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put elon's feet to the fire and either have him spend more time
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on Tesla or get rid of him and put somebody in his place.
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