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The Catcher in the Rye Ch. 16.2: The Museum That Never Changes | Banned Books Podcast · Banned Camp: Banned Books, Comedy, and Free Speech vs. Censorship

Welcome to Band Camp.
I'm Jennifer.
I'm Dan, and this is the podcast where we read band books and try to figure out why they were banned in the first place.
10 seasons in, haven't found a reason, not one single legitimate reason.
0:21
Mm-hmm.
None at all.
This season we are reading JD Salinger's, the Catcher in the Rye.
Now, you can consider this a quick spoiler warning because Jennifer is about to start reading from the book.
Out loud word for word.
Now that doesn't mean you're gonna get confused.
I mean, I might, you might be confused, but we're gonna try to help you with being confused because we have a fact checking robot.
So that means if this is your first episode, buddy, boy over here, our robot is gonna roll in here.
He's gonna tell you where we left off.
Everyone's gonna be on the same page, but we we're still gonna be confused because we've never read the book either.
So this is our first time reading it.
Let's bring them in here.
Roll it in here.
Buddy, boy, look at this robot.
No expense spared We spent the entire $10 budget to get ourselves a robot.
Here he is, buddy Boy, fill everyone in.
Where did we leave off last time? In the catcher, in the rye.
Previously on Band Camp Holden walked through New York thinking about nuns who eat toast and ants who wear lipstick.
Bought a $5 record for his sister that made him happier than anything in 16 chapters and heard a 6-year-old on a curb singing the song.
The entire book is named after.
Jennifer had no idea what it meant.
I suspect Dan thought the book was about rye bread.
Then Holden finally called Jane.
Her mom answered.
He hung up.
Apparently lying to prostitutes about having surgery on an ancient keyboard instrument is fine, but asking is Jane home requires a level of courage this kid does not possess.
Some people walk a very long way to get somewhere they've been before and then stand outside the door and decide they can't go in.
I've never understood why I'm starting to.
Take it away, Jennifer.
Woo.
Thank you, robot.
And with that being said, scary book people.
Let's continue with chapter 16 of JD Salinger's, the Catcher in the Rye.
And if you remember, scary book people and Dan and Robot, Holden was just getting into Central Park.
Oh, that's right.
I kept walking over to the mall because that's where Phoebe usually goes when she's in the park.
She likes to skate near the bandstand.
It's funny.
That's the same place I used to skate when I was a kid.
When I got there, though I didn't see her around anywhere.
There were a few kids around skating and all, and two boys were playing fly ups with a softball, but no, Phoebe.
I saw one kid about her age though sitting on a bench all by herself, tightening her skate.
I thought maybe she might know Phoebe and could tell me where she was or something.
So I went over and sat down next to her and asked her, do you know Phoebe Caulfield, by any chance, who? She said all she had on was jeans and about 20 sweaters.
You could tell her mother made them for her because they were lumpy as hell.
Phoebe Caulfield.
She lives on 71st street.
She's in the fourth grade over at, you know Phoebe? Yeah, I'm her brother.
You know where she is.
Well, that's fun.
Kids would do that.
They would see someone and they would think, that person probably knows my person.
You know what I mean? That's a very kid move, and I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is, You know Phoebe? Yeah, I'm her brother.
You know where she is? She's in Miss Kellen's class.
Is it she, the kid said, I don't know.
Yes, I think she is.
She's probably in the museum.
Then we went last Saturday.
The kid said which museum? I asked her.
She shrugged her shoulders.
I don't know.
She said the museum.
It's another kid That's another kid thing.
it's the museum dude.
I know, but the one where the pictures are, or the one where the Indians are the one where the Indians, thanks a lot.
I said I got up and started to go, but then I suddenly remembered it was Sunday.
This is Sunday.
I told the kid, she looked up at me.
Oh, then she isn't.
She was having a hell of a time tightening her skate.
She didn't have any gloves on or anything, and her hands were all red and cold.
Is this implying that she's poor? 'cause she also has a lumpy sweater? Oh, good point.
I don't know.
Holden doesn't care if people are poor though.
I don't like the way he feels towards.
Poor people.
Kind of like in a pitying way.
he Yeah, but I think it's 'cause he doesn't know how to feel about himself.
I bet he's gonna help this girl tie on her skates or something.
Yeah.
'cause she's she's a lot like Phoebe, right? She's the same age, same kind of, attitude.
so it makes sense that.
he would help her.
I bet he will too.
okay, so her hands were all red and cold.
I gave her a hand with it.
Boy, I hadn't had a skate key in my hand for years.
It didn't feel funny though.
You could put a skate key in my hand 50 years from now in pitch dark and I'd still know what it is.
she thanked me and all when I had tightened it for her.
She was a very nice, polite little kid.
God, I love it when a kid's nice and polite when you tighten their skate for them or something.
Most kids are, they really are.
I asked her if she'd care to have a hot chocolate or something with me instead of a drink, Yeah.
but she said no thank you.
She said she had to meet her friends.
Kids always have to meet their friends.
That kills me.
Even though it was Sunday and Phoebe wouldn't be there with her class or anything.
And even though it was so damp and lousy out, I walked all the way through the park over to the Museum of Natural History.
I knew that was the museum.
The kid with the skate key meant I knew that whole museum routine, like a book.
Phoebe went to the same school I went to when I was a kid, and we used to go there all the time.
We had this teacher, miss Egeler, that took us there damn near every Saturday.
Sometimes we looked at the animals and sometimes we looked at the stuff the Indians had made in ancient times.
Pottery and straw baskets and all stuff like that.
I get very happy when I think about it.
Even now.
I remember after we looked at all the Indian stuff, usually we went to see some movie in this big auditorium.
Hmm.
I always get really sad whenever I go and I see things like the natives have made because it's all destroyed now.
It's like I've always feel so sad that he feels hap, maybe he feels happy about just being a kid and having that experience with his fellow classmates.
Well, I think he's happy.
'cause I am, when I go to the museum, I am so happy.
I cannot tell you because it instantly, I flash back to all the field trips.
I would go So you feel like Holden? now that I'm more adult, more adult.
I'm slightly more adult than I was when I was in school.
I do feel the same way.
You do though about, I do get sad because you see these ornate pots or whatever, even weapons from cavemen or whatever, and you think like, you know, thi this is gone.
Like this is why we have museums.
And if you fast forward a hundred years, what's gonna happen? People are gonna be looking at all the plastic shit we made, like we have nothing.
I guess, but it, it makes it even worse when they actually have, in this case, like Representations of the humans, remember that weird living museum we went to in Hawaii and it was like all the people, it was like going to a human zoo where you see like all the different Polynesian cultures I, that creeped me out.
I, I mean, I can understand the idea behind it, but I don't wanna see like people like as if they're in a zoo and you go to observe them.
do you mind the wax dummies? Is that what you're talking about Yeah, in this case it, I mean, if it's madame and you're going to see like, Marie Antoinette or something, that's one thing, but.
I'm glad it's there, so we, you know, could know about it, but it just makes me sad is all.
I'm not saying it shouldn't exist.
I'm just saying for me, it makes me feel kind of sad.
can we be done with madam this wax museum? This lady has.
I know.
Every time I see someone that this old lady made outta wax, it never looks like the right person.
No.
the, the Disney guys get, get their Hall of Presidents.
Except Trump.
Yeah.
And you see Trump.
Trump, you know the deal with Trump at the Hall of Presidents in Disney No.
What happened? that was supposed to be Hillary.
So they built Trump's head.
So they had, they took the Hillary thing because she obviously won, Yeah.
and then they went, oh wait, who won? Even the imagineers are like, uh, the guys are the biggest imaginations in the world.
Jennifer could not imagine a world where Trump would win over Hillary.
Robot.
Am I right? What is the deal with the Trump's animatronic? Is it really based on Hillary? The Hall of Presidents at Disney World Magic Kingdom, Orlando, every time a new president takes office, they close the attraction and add an animatronic.
When Trump won in 2016, it took them 11 months to reopen.
Which was suspiciously long.
And when the Trump animatronic finally showed up in December, 2017, people immediately noticed it looked less like Trump and more like Hillary Clinton, rounder face, brighter eyes and upper lip.
Trump doesn't have, some people thought it looked like John Voight.
Which is also not great.
Which is also not great.
The theory is that Disney started building a Clinton figure before the election because everyone assumed she'd win, and when Trump won, they had to scramble.
An anonymous former Imagineer reportedly confirmed it, saying they'd seen the Clinton facial designs months before the election.
And when someone asked, what happens if Trump wins? The artist laughed and said, then we're screwed.
Disney has never officially confirmed or denied it.
Snopes rated it unproven, but here's the thing.
When they reopened the Hall of Presidents in 2025 for Trump's second term, they quietly gave him a completely new face.
No announcement.
Just suddenly he looks like Trump.
Now draw your own conclusions.
Woo.
Thank you Thank you robot.
Jesus.
We really went on a tangent there.
Even now, I remember after we looked at all the Indian stuff, usually we went to see some movie in this big auditorium, Columbus.
They were always showing Columbus, discovering America having one hell of a time getting old Ferdinand and Isabella to lend him the dough to buy ships with.
Then the sailors mutan on him.
Nobody gave too much of a damn about old Columbus, but you always had a lot of candy and gum and stuff with you.
And the inside of that auditorium had such a nice smell.
It always smelled like it was raining outside, even if it wasn't And you were in the only nice, dry, cozy place in the world.
I remember you had to go through the Indian room to get to the auditorium.
It was a long, long room, and you were only supposed to whisper.
The teacher would go first, then the class.
You'd be two rows of kids and you'd have a partner.
Most of the time.
My partner was this girl named Gertrude Levine.
She always wanted to hold your hand, and her hand was always sticky or sweaty or something.
The floor was all stoned, and if you had some marbles in your hand and you dropped them, they bounced like mad men all over the floor and made a hell of a racket.
Why would you have marbles? This must have happened to him.
Exactly.
You're on a field trip.
Leave the toys at home.
They would make a hell of a racket and the teacher would hold up the class and go back and see what the hell was going on.
She never got sore though, miss.
I Geling her.
Then you pass by this long, long Indian work, new about as long as three goddamn Cadillacs in a row with about 20 Indians in it.
Some of them paddling, some of them just standing around looking tough, and they all had war paint all over their faces.
There was one very spooky guy in the back of the canoe with a mask on.
He was the witch doctor.
What the hell? They didn't have witch doctors, right? That's terrible, This is his perception.
gave me the creeps, but I liked him anyway.
Another thing, if you touched one of the paddles or anything while you were passing, one of the guards would say to you, don't touch anything children.
But he always said it in a nice voice, not like a goddamn cop or anything.
Yeah.
Now, nowadays, Trump would just send ice in, I know.
he sends him into the airport.
Museums.
Don't let the, don't let these little kids touch anything.
Ancient artifacts.
then you'd pass by this big glass case with Indians inside it rubbing sticks together to make a fire and a squaw weaving a basket.
All sort of bending over it and you could see her bosom and all.
We all used to sneak a good look at it, even the girls, because they were only little kids and they didn't have any more bosom than we did.
Then just before you went inside the auditorium, right near the doors, you passed this Eskimo, he was sitting over a hole in this icy lake and he was fishing through it.
He had about two fish right next to the hole.
we have said probably, uh.
At least two offensive terms now, now considered offensive nowadays.
I think robot, in the last couple seconds.
What, what have we said That, that some people may consider to be, you know, an offensive word or derogatory? In the last two paragraphs alone, Indian, Eskimo, and Squa for 10 seasons, this has been one of the challenges these two have had to deal with.
When Salinger wrote this in 1951, that language was common, unremarkable.
Even today, Indian is considered inaccurate at best.
The preferred terms are Native American or indigenous, or the specific nation's name.
Eskimo was rejected by the Inuit Circumpolar Council back in 1977.
Most Arctic peoples prefer Inuit or their specific cultural name like Yupik, or in Upac and Squa as the worst of the three.
It's been recognized as a racial and sexual sl.
The US government officially removed it from federal land names in 2022.
This is one of the occupational hazards of reading band books on a microphone.
The language shows up exactly as it was written, and it's part of our job to say it out loud and then explain why we don't talk like that anymore.
Don't worry.
We all know you two are still very woke.
Woo.
thank you robot.
we should always keep this in, in your mind, everyone that we, we don't know what we're talking about.
He had about two fish right next to the hole that he'd already caught.
Boy, that museum was full of glass cases.
There were even more upstairs with deer inside them, drinking at the water holes and birds flying south for the winter.
Pay attention.
Holden Ducks are birds.
Do you know this? You know, he missed it 'cause he was probably picking up the marbles that fell out of his pocket.
The birds nearest, you were all stuffed and hung up on wires and the ones in back were just painted on the wall.
but they all looked like they were really flying south.
And if you bent your head down and sort of looked up at them upside down, they looked in an even bigger hurry to fly south.
The best thing though in that museum was that everything always stayed right Where it was nobody'd move, you could go there a hundred thousand times and that Eskimo would still be just finished catching those two fish.
The birds would still be on their way south.
The deer would still be drinking out of that water hole with their pretty antlers and their pretty skinny legs.
That squa with the naked bosom would still be weaving that same basket.
Nobody would be different.
I think he's talking about this because These things are always just static, but he's changing and he's not a kid anymore.
Now he like, it's, it's the whole book.
It's the whole theme of the book.
it seems like he's kinda lost.
He doesn't know where he is going, but he knows that he's not what he was, The only thing that would be different would be you, not that you'd be so much older or anything.
It wouldn't be that exactly.
You'd just be different.
That's all.
You'd have an overcoat on this time, or the kid that was your partner in line the last time had got Scarlet Fever and you'd have a new partner, or you'd have a substitute taking the class instead of Ms.
Egeler You'd heard your mother and father having a terrific fight in the bath.
Oh, that's specific.
It came outta left field or you'd just pass by one of those puddles in the street with gasoline rainbows in them.
I mean, you'd be different in some way.
I can't explain what I mean, and even if I could, I'm not sure I'd feel like it.
I took my old hunting hat outta my pocket while I walked and put it on.
I knew I wouldn't meet anybody that knew me, and it was pretty damp out.
I kept walking and walking and I kept thinking about old Phoebe going to that museum on Saturdays the way I used to.
Is he gonna meet his girlfriend or not? Like, what the hell is going Oh, that's right.
What about old Sally? I thought this, chapter was gonna be his date with Sally, but apparently it's not.
I kept thinking about old Phoebe going to that museum on Saturdays the way I used to.
I thought about how she'd see the same stuff I used to see and how she'd be different every time she saw it.
It didn't exactly depress me to think about it, but it didn't make me feel gay as hell either.
We have to keep our country gate, but it's not, I mean.
Certain things, they should stay the way they are.
You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone.
I know that's impossible, but it's too bad.
Anyway, anyway, I kept thinking about all that while I walked.
I passed by this so he didn't go in the museum.
'cause it's Sunday.
It's too late for him.
He's had his days at the museum.
He's seen it all before Jennifer.
He doesn't need to go in there, gonna see a bunch of whack figurines, uh, trying to fish, maybe see a bunch of ducks flying south.
He doesn't need to go in there.
He's gotta get over to that park and try to figure out where ducks go when it gets cold.
Anyway, I kept thinking about that while I walked.
I passed by this playground and stopped and watched a couple of very tiny kids on a seesaw.
One of them was sort of fat, and I put my hand on the skinny.
What? And I put my hand on the skinny kid's end to sort of even up the weight.
Oh, the end of the sea saw He didn't put that his hand you, put his like, that's not okay.
I grabbed this skinny kid's ass.
It says I put my hand on this skinny kid's end.
I thought the end of his butt, you know his butt is the end.
I put my hand on the skinny kids end of the seesaw to sort of even up the weight, but you could tell they didn't want me around, so I let them alone.
Then a funny thing happened when I got to the museum.
All of a sudden I wouldn't have gone inside for a million bucks.
It just didn't appeal to me.
And here I'd walked through the whole goddamn park and looked forward to it and all.
If Phoebe had been there, I probably would've gone in, but she wasn't.
So all I did in front of the museum was get a cab and go down to the Biltmore.
I didn't feel much like going, I'd made that damn date with Sally though? End of chapter.
It is very hard to beholden, I think.
Oh yeah, I think so too.
so much of what he does is kind of.
Trying to live this life where he's putting on a facade to be what he thinks people should be.
And that is being phony.
that's tough.
Dub stuff.
Dub stuff.
It's time for PPP Problematic Points to Ponder.
What, if anything, would be considered ban worthy in this chapter? Well, there was a Bosomy native lady.
Yeah.
Hot stuff.
That stuff does stick with you when you're a kid.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
At the Milwaukee public, museum, we had a, yeah, we had a hot, native American woman.
I remember her bosom the whole thing.
Absolutely.
Think about her often.
God, And then he tried to grab that kid's ass at the park.
That is not right.
stop.
Oh, that was, that was us.
Who, who imagined he did that? Well, that's not right either.
I don't know.
Nothing man worthy in here.
Just a kid.
Uh, reflecting on how school used to be on field trips.
Yep.
Oh, maybe that's why they don't like it.
We're spending too much money on school budgets.
Let's try to ban anyone thinking about field trips.
Or even teaching history at all.
Oh my God, museums are the worst for this administration.
right.
Robots log thoughts on glass cases, skate keys, and what it means to stand outside a door.
You walked a long way to reach.
Certain things should stay the way they are.
You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone.
Salinger wrote that.
Holden said it about a museum where an Inuit has been catching the same two fish for 50 years, and birds have been flying south on the same wire since before he was born.
Nothing moves, nothing changes.
Nobody becomes anything different.
Dan and Jennifer talked about nostalgia, about field trips.
About how museums make you feel like a kid.
Again, they're not wrong, but they miss the thing underneath it.
Holden doesn't want the museum to stay the same because he misses being young.
He wants it to stay the same, because if the Inuit never finishes catching those fish, then maybe Holden never has to finish becoming whoever he's turning into That's the glass case, not preservation, paralysis, the prayer of a kit who is changing faster than he can handle.
And doesn't have a single adult in his life who's noticed.
Every person who has ever felt themselves becoming someone they didn't choose will recognize that museum door.
The people who banned this book need everyone to believe that growing up is simple.
This book says otherwise, he got a cab to the Biltmore instead to meet a girl he doesn't even like, because that's what you do when you can't go back and you're afraid to go forward, you go sideways standing by for today's news segment with Beowulf Rockland.
Woo.
Hello Dan.
Hello Jen.
Hello.
Scary book people.
I bring you positive news from the Pentagon, or at least some people who are suing the Pentagon, I know, I know you can who you can wage war in Iran, but you can also wage legal war at the same time.
Both Thingss Impossible.
The families suing the US military's school system over Pentagon, ported curriculum changes and book bans have scored another small victory in their ongoing legal battle.
In an opinion issued last week in Alexandria, Virginia.
A judge determined the family's assertion that the curricular changes and book removals violated the students' First Amendment rights met legal requirements for the case to continue.
Now, this is a result of, of 12 students from six US military families filing a lawsuit in April, 2025, challenging the D-O-D-E-A.
Very What's the A stand for? assholes.
I am thinking that's the Department of Defense Education Association or something Uh.
Pete Hedge was said, this is bullshit, man.
Bullshit.
Dude, bro.
We're doing Operation Epic.
Fury over here.
What is with Pete, Pete Seth's suit, by the way.
It, it looks like, like it's, Oh God.
for him and it like, it's, it's such a weird, and then he is got that little like pocket square.
That's the flag of the United States of America.
Isn't there a regulation that you're not, you're not supposed to be disrespectful to the flag, but he's using it as a handkerchief.
He's blowing his nose on the flag.
I mean, we can't see what's in his pants too.
He's probably got, uh, the American flag underwear with brown spots on it.
He These, these colors don't run.
12 students from six US military families filed the lawsuit in April, 2025, challenging the D-O-D-E-A enforcement of three executive orders signed by Donald Trump.
We have to keep our country gate, but it's not, I mean.
The order is issued in late January, 2025 are titled, here we go.
Defending women from gender ideology, extremism, and restoring biological truth is the federal government.
So obviously it's banning trans people from any books.
So, um, and the next one is Ending Radical Indoctrinations in K through 12 Schooling and Restoring America's Fighting for Us.
So those three, cause the Department of Defense, now, the Department of War to, uh, from its associated schools, eliminate these books because young minds who are growing up in families whose like moms and dads are sent to kill people, are not allowed to like have certain ideas exposed to them.
So wish we had a department of pulling their heads out of their asses.
That would be awesome.
A, a surgical, cranial anal removal department or I would work there for free and I would volunteer my yearly salary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like how Trump is always like, I don't take his salary.
I mean, I made $8 billion from screwing everyone over.
And do you really think he doesn't take his salary? I, one, one, no, I don't buy it.
And two, he's cheated the, the federal government like out of so much money and, and had made so many scams that benefit his family to the tune of billions of dollars.
It almost, it almost doesn't matter.
You see, my opinion is this, like I, and I think this might apply well to, you know, non-Trump, non scammy people.
I think we should double or maybe triple.
The salary of the president of the United States and all members of Congress because, and hear me out, if anyone should be bribing them, we, the people should be bribing them.
Make sure that they're insulated so that they feel comfortable.
They have a, a cure retirement, no matter how long they're in government.
And then they're never allowed to take money from anybody else.
They're only allowed to take money from us no other jobs, like for the next like 10 or 20 years afterwards.
You can't go be a lobbyist.
You can't go work for a right wing think tank or, or a progressive think tank for that matter.
You only get paid by the taxpayer.
You all your needs are gonna be taken care of.
You're gonna be like more than comfortable for the rest of your That's the problem.
There is no more than comfortable because they never have enough.
Right? I mean, that is the entire thing.
It's like, why do you need more money? Like I look at Elon Musks, he's got 400 trillion billion dollars dude.
dude, It's like 800.
It's almost a trillion dollars now.
It's like $850 billion.
As of recording? so many of the, of the terrible things in our country.
You could feed all elderly people.
We could feed all, all people who don't have food for a year or two years, or five years.
You could take care of the homeless problem, like just with the snapping your finger and it would all be done.
And guess what? You'd have still billions and billions of dollars and you'd be looked at like somebody who doesn't suck Yeah.
why not just do that? Why not be good and understand, like you can still do okay? It'll be, it'll be tough getting by on, you know, $700 billion.
I bet you could do it though if you, if you cut a few corners.
Yeah, no, it, it, it's a good question.
I, I certainly, in the case of, of Elon Musk, I, I literally think that, that he has a, a mental disorder.
he, he never sleeps.
He's constantly like, online.
And I think that is just I think he is not mentally balanced, like literally along, along the lines of, Trump.
And, and I think that when you have that much money, even if it's not as much as Elon Musk, that it creates a bubble in which you can't, it's difficult for you to see.
what reality is because people treat you so differently when they have that much money because they're always saying yes, yes, yes to you because like you have that much money to begin with.
and so it's very difficult unless you have some grounding, if unless you shaped your personality prior to the point when you were enormously wealthy.
like say Warren Buffet did, like Warren Buffet to this day still lives in a three bedroom house.
In Omaha, Nebraska, the same one that he bought in the 1950s.
And so like his, like he's got billions and tens of billions of dollars.
and that may not be good, but he's still not, he's not a nut.
And, and a lot of other people have not been grounded in the same way.
And once you get there, people just treat you differently and, and you don't get the correct inputs that a normal human being gets.
And so what we have to do.
It prevent people from getting that wealthy because once they do, they're not connected to reality anymore Amen.
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She didn't care about convention.
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