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Dog Nanny & Household Coordinator: Trust Falls and Dog Balls · Roast the Post Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Jen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Job postings are rarely just job postings.
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  SPEAKER_00: On Roast the Post, we unpack the story behind the bullet points.
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  And in this episode,
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  there's more being said than the posting probably intended.
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  SPEAKER_00: So without further ado, let's roast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so, Paul, have I got a post for us to roast today?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: But before we do that,
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  we should probably congratulate all of the residents of British
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  Columbia on never
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  SPEAKER_01: having to change their clocks again after Saturday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Y'all are sticking on daylight time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so jealous.
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  SPEAKER_00: Breaking news.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm in BC and I didn't know this until you told me and I'm very excited.
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  I'm not the most outdoorsy person for someone who lives on the
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  West Coast.
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  However,
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  I do like it when it's still light outside at four o'clock in
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  the afternoon.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm all for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: You heard it here first.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're recording on Monday, March 2nd.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you'll hear it after it's already a thing, folks.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, we're talking about it now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exciting times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I am going to, it's my week to present a job posting to you, Paul.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have not seen this unless you've been snooping.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a brand new, never before seen job posting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do not snoop through your stuff.
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  I saw your little note that you left on the file in Google
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  Drive there that if I
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  SPEAKER_01: looked at it,
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  SPEAKER_01: I would die.
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  SPEAKER_01: I take that seriously.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't like dying.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I take murdering very seriously too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad that you listened.
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  okay so we've got a very interesting job posting and i kind of
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  went on a mission to
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  try to find something unique my brain always goes to
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  administrative type roles
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  obviously like human resources type uh and it's really hard for
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  me to veer away
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  SPEAKER_00: from that but i was like what is something
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  SPEAKER_00: that is really like specific.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I started to think about people who work for private family offices,
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  SPEAKER_00: because there are people out there who have
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  SPEAKER_00: a lot of money and they can hire staff.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can hire people to do anything they want.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's really fascinating to me.
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  And so I started thinking about private family offices and what
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  kind of jobs there were.
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  SPEAKER_00: And lo and behold, I found one for dog nanny and household coordinator.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, you didn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: So are you ready to roast this post?
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that a real job?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm applying for it as soon as we're done with this.
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  If this whole podcasting thing doesn't work out,
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  then I'm going to be a dog nanny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Job title, dog nanny and household coordinator.
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  Reports to unknown,
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  company size,
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  unknown,
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  industry,
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  private family office.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do they do?
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a private family office.
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  SPEAKER_00: The head office location,
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  SPEAKER_00: I put Collingwood,
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  SPEAKER_00: Ontario,
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  SPEAKER_00: because that's also the job location,
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  SPEAKER_00: Collingwood,
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  SPEAKER_00: Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_00: Geographical operating area, don't know, job type.
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  I put flexible,
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  and I'm going to dig into that a little bit more as I read
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  through the posting.
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  SPEAKER_00: So really excited for this one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
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  The working schedule is entirely aligned with the owner's work
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  and travel commitments.
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  The role typically averages five days per week and includes
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  overnights with
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  SPEAKER_00: occasional weekends as required.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to stop there, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to stop there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Normally I'd read a little bit more, but what are your thoughts on that?
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  SPEAKER_01: A little weird.
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  i mean um i i get like i get kind of the nature of the work is
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  going to is going to
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  necessitate that because being a dog nanny is uh it's not a not
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  a monday to friday
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  nine to five like if part of your principal job is to take care
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  of uh foo-foo while
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  the owner is away on a business trip like yeah you got to be
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  around when uh when
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  the owner is away because foo-foo is going to go hungry
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  otherwise like i kind of
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  SPEAKER_01: get that but that that does
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  The whole blending of a private family domicile with an
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  employee,
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  it throws up some red flags.
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  There's stuff you've got to watch out for there,
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  especially if there's gender dynamics in play.
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  We've all seen the friggin' movies and TV shows and stuff where
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  some young personal
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  SPEAKER_01: assistant is...
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  put into a not so great position uh by someone with wealth and
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  power so if this is
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  kind of like that it could potentially be pretty bad um maybe
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  we'll learn more
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  though carry on yeah and and you're right like i just finished
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  reading a book uh
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  the housemaid it's also a movie a newer movie and you know not
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  only that like
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  SPEAKER_00: safety reasons absolutely but like
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  affairs that's such a classic tale tale as old as time like i
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  don't even know it's
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  i don't know why this is a thing um i also listen to a lot of
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  true crime podcasts
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  and there's one that's currently in the news right now about um
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  the nanny and the
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  husband having an affair and then they plan the murder of the
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  wife and it's it's
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  SPEAKER_00: just wild so yeah lines
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  will be blurred in any of these types of roles where the
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  employee is living with or
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  SPEAKER_00: staying overnight at the family home.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's inevitable.
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  I would hope that there are a lot of guardrails in place and
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  expect that there are none.
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  some i thought on it uh about the role and that's and that's
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  the thing right like
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  if you you think about these live-in roles um au pairs very
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  very common uh you know
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  us canada europe super super common to have an au pair um and
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  you know sometimes
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  that's good sometimes it's not um serving staff in a house like
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  you know in a state
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  or a mansion or whatever they live on premises there's more
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  than one of them so i
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  SPEAKER_01: think that that helps i think it's just like a matter of
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  SPEAKER_01: How many people?
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  SPEAKER_01: What are the barriers, the lines, the guardrails?
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  Yeah,
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  let's let's learn about the role because I'm kind of curious
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  about this now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So about the role,
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  SPEAKER_00: we are seeking a mature,
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  SPEAKER_00: responsible,
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  outdoors oriented and dog loving individual to provide
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  dedicated care for two well
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  SPEAKER_00: behaved dogs.
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  while also supporting light household duties to maintain a
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  clean,
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  organized,
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  and well-run home.
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  This role is ideal for someone who genuinely enjoys spending
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  time with dogs,
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  SPEAKER_00: hiking,
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  SPEAKER_00: and being in nature and who values a calm,
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  SPEAKER_00: tidy,
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  SPEAKER_00: and organized home environment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Please note, this is not a fixed hours role.
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  SPEAKER_00: The successful candidate will be dependable,
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  SPEAKER_00: adaptable,
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  SPEAKER_00: and comfortable aligning their work schedule with the owner's needs,
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  SPEAKER_00: including travel periods,
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  SPEAKER_00: while ensuring both the dogs and home are consistently well cared for.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to stop there.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is just so listeners know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and anyone watching,
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  SPEAKER_00: this isn't very long,
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  SPEAKER_00: but there's a lot to unpack.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to take maybe more frequent pauses than we normally would.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as per use,
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  you can find a link to the actual job posting in the show notes
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  so you can read
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  SPEAKER_00: along with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what are you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll put that up on the episode page for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are my thoughts about this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I feel a little bit better.
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  with with this section because it has established some
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  boundaries um what they're
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  saying is you need to align your work schedule so that you can
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  take care of fufu
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  well i guess there's two fufus so you know fufu and fifi um
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  take care of the dogs
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  SPEAKER_01: when when the owner is gone so presumably that means you have to be at
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  SPEAKER_01: their house when the dog owner is not around and clean up after yourself,
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  SPEAKER_01: do some light housekeeping,
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  SPEAKER_01: whatever.
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  So this is starting to sound a little bit more like a side gig
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  for someone who
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  SPEAKER_01: primarily works remote or works for themself.
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  And that can be better than if they were like a live-in
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  caregiver for the dogs and whatnot.
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  I can see where that would be a little bit dodgy unless there
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  was a lot of trust.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: a couple of things that stood out,
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  I know that there's some family offices where they have like a
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  full Downton Abbey
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  SPEAKER_00: style staff.
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  This to me makes me think that they might not have that because
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  they're asking the
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  SPEAKER_00: person to do like light household duties.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know that they would be,
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  SPEAKER_00: like you mentioned cleaning up after themselves and that makes sense.
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  As we get into the role,
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  it does go deeper into what those duties might look like.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it makes me think that maybe they don't have like a big staff there.
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  So this is kind of like a hybrid role of,
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  again,
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  the title says household coordinator.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I would imagine maybe that they would already have that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think that they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think this is like a smaller family office.
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  SPEAKER_00: It might be their first foray into having a role like this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is just kind of the vibe I'm getting from it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm also curious about, like you said, great idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: Somebody who works remotely and just kind of do that from this location.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it makes me wonder, are they...
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  It says it's not fixed hours,
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  but how much of the day are they expected to be there?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are they going to be there only when the owner is away?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are they going to be there when maybe the owner is at work?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's that kind of pay like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is there flat expected hours of the day?
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  says it's flexible i'm just really curious about what that
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  looks like for someone
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  um income wise earnings how they work that out um because like
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  you said oh yeah you
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  could just basically like work from there if you wanted to if
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  you're working
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  remotely but then maybe they don't want you there all day long
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  maybe they want you
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  to like come in the morning come in the evening um yeah it's
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  just it's just so
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  SPEAKER_00: interesting to me
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, is it and you think about the bigger picture, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So is this job intended like the family office owner what they want?
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  Is is it based on like are the outcomes based on or the
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  responsibilities based on
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  SPEAKER_01: duties or are they based on outcomes?
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  SPEAKER_01: If it's based on outcomes,
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  SPEAKER_01: then it's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I come home,
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  SPEAKER_01: the house is not destroyed,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Fifi and Fufu are alive and happy.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's an outcome, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if it's duties-based,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: be there to feed them at 9 noon and 4,
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  SPEAKER_01: walk them at 10 and 6,
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  and make sure the house is locked up at 7.42 before the
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  security company comes
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  SPEAKER_01: around,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are very different things from a job design standpoint.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is it, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: One allows for more flexibility and freedom than the other.
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  SPEAKER_00: But interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Locations.
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  SPEAKER_00: Primary residence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Approximately 15 minutes to Collingwood.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where Collingwood is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know Ontario at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Occasional dog pickups, drop-offs in Barrie and Collingwood.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then it says vet and grooming appointments.
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  SPEAKER_00: Valid driver's license required with access to a vehicle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, schedule and expectations.
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  So this is where it gets a little bit more interesting unless
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  there's anything you
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  SPEAKER_00: want to say about locations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, just for context for folks who aren't familiar with Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Collingwood is kind of the heart of,
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  SPEAKER_01: call it like ski and tourism country in Ontario,
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  SPEAKER_01: like Blue Mountains kind of around there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a really, really popular destination in the summer and winter.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's tons of resorts there.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are some very expensive houses there.
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  uh and it's it's kind of a small place so the car thing
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  absolutely makes sense
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  there is no public transit to speak of that um kind of operates
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  in collingwood like
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  anything that uh that larger cities would kind of consider mass
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  transit uh barry is
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  probably an hour from there hours drive or something like that
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  so that again makes
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  the the car thing make a lot of sense if you know you've got to
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  take the dogs to
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  SPEAKER_01: the vet once in a while and the vets in barry
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  sure yeah um yeah just for context for folks but other than
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  that no comments carry
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  on thank you schedule and expectations this position operates
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  on a schedule driven
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  basis determined by the owner's work and travel commitments
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  while the role
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  typically averages five working days per week exact hours days
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  overnights and
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  occasional weekends will vary month to month on-site
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  accommodations are provided
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  SPEAKER_00: during overnight care periods in a guest bedroom
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  SPEAKER_00: However, this is not a live-in position.
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  SPEAKER_00: Flexibility,
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  SPEAKER_00: clear communication,
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  and reliability are essential as the dog's care and household
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  needs must adjust
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  SPEAKER_00: seamlessly to the owner's changing schedule.
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  The primary focus of this role is the dogs and their daily
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  care,
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  wellbeing,
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  and routine.
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  Household coordination and light duties support this core
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  responsibility by
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  SPEAKER_00: maintaining a clean,
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  SPEAKER_00: calm,
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  SPEAKER_00: and dog safe home environment.
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  This role is ideal for someone with an adaptable lifestyle who
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  prefers trust-based
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  SPEAKER_00: scheduling over rigid hours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thoughts on all of that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was just taking notes here,
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  and I recall you saying that you went to med school and you
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  can't read your notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can kind of read my notes, so I'm a little bit better off.
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  SPEAKER_01: So beige flag kind of comes to mind for me.
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  They say on average this is gonna be five days But they they
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  don't know what five
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  days That's that's gonna make it a bit of a challenge for
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  someone to kind of plan
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  their life Especially if is that the picture that's being
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  painted in my mind of the
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  SPEAKER_01: you know that the family office owners that
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  SPEAKER_01: They,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  they're an investor or they're a CEO or they're someone who has
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  like quite a bit of
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  money and they have quite a bit of responsibility and they do a
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  lot of traveling
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  SPEAKER_01: and not necessarily like well planned and advanced.
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  traveling you know like if you think hey CEO of a company
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  that's kind of scaling
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  past half a million up to a billion or is you know north of a
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  billion they could be
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  on a plane the drop of a hat if there's a fire crisis or
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  something that just has to
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  SPEAKER_01: be dealt with so this person's gonna kind of need to be on call
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  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like to me,
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  which means which means sacrificing elements of their personal
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  life to make this
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  SPEAKER_01: work.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's a beige flag like you got to think through that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now,
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  one thing I did like in what they said there was that they're
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  looking for someone
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  SPEAKER_01: who prefers kind of a trust based relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: versus,
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  SPEAKER_01: they didn't say a top-down control-oriented relationship,
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  SPEAKER_01: but if you're looking for a trust-based relationship,
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  presumably you're not looking for a top-down control-oriented
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  relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: And kind of flowing from that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're looking for somebody who's responsible,
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  somebody who basically can be like the head of household while
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  the owner is kind of
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  SPEAKER_01: gonzo,
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  SPEAKER_01: buggered off,
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  make sure that stuff doesn't fall apart and Fifi and Fufu are
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  fed and watered and
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  SPEAKER_01: their poop is scooped.
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  SPEAKER_00: You made a good point, like kind of a head of household.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what makes me think that there isn't anyone else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't sound like it, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it also makes me think that the owner is one person, a singular.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's a family.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just one person on their own.
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  SPEAKER_00: This person.
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  love Fifi and Fufu like they love their dogs and I love them
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  for loving their dogs
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  this is it's beautiful that they're willing to do this it also
• 16:31
  part of me is like I
• 16:32
  don't know why do you have two dogs so much but you know we
• 16:38
  contain multitudes so
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: yeah I agree it makes it very challenging for this individual to have
• 16:47
  Any other type of job that is kind of like shift work type job,
• 16:51
  like that would be really hard.
• 16:52
  You would have to either have this be your only job or have
• 16:57
  like a remote type
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: career where you aren't set on hours.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or be a freelancer or a contractor or something.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Or freelancer, yeah.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you're a woodwind instrument instructor.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or a yoga teacher, like...
• 17:15
  yoga teacher or a barista um so i actually a barista job would
• 17:21
  not work would not
• 17:22
  be able to as soon as i said that on those that schedule right
• 17:28
  like we went into a
• 17:28
  couple of weeks ago uh yeah the barista would be the worst job
• 17:32
  yeah it actually
• 17:33
  would be the worst um i was just thinking back to all the jobs
• 17:36
  that we've uh talked
• 17:38
  about but yeah so so it makes it really hard like this this
• 17:41
  sounds amazing but it's
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: actually
• 17:44
  It wouldn't surprise me if this would be a very challenging
• 17:47
  position to fill.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: So not only do you have to find someone who you trust with Fifi and Fufu,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: you have to find someone who has this flexibility.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Those are two, like, yeah, it's going to be really hard.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be really hard for them to fill this position.
• 18:03
  So another thing that's going to make this hard is that they're
• 18:08
  going to need
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: someone local,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Population of Collingwood, Ontario is just under 30,000 people.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's going to be a challenge.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: So interestingly,
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: that's a really good point because then I'm thinking,
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: why don't they have someone,
• 18:26
  there are all sorts of services where someone can come in and
• 18:29
  like take your dogs
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: for an adventure walk.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you're away, you can kennel them.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: There's fun places.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: We've taken our big guy to like these outdoor adventure places.
• 18:40
  places when we're away and he just loves it they're opting not
• 18:45
  to have that and
• 18:46
  like I imagine I think the answer is because this person really
• 18:51
  loves Fifi and Fufu
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: and they have the money to hire a caregiver for Fifi and Fufu yes
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Cause like how, how, let's face it.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: How, how much do you really like taking your dog to the kennel?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime I've taken an animal to the kennel,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: it's been like,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: oh my God,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: my heart's breaking a little bit.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't want to leave you here.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to hate it.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Cause you want them to have the comfort.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: we're,
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: we're talking about this right now,
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: going away for spring break,
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: my family,
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: and we're having people through like trusted house that are the website.
• 19:23
  They're coming to stay at home to take care of our two dogs and
• 19:26
  fish and plants and everything.
• 19:27
  It's exactly that because I know my dogs are more comfortable
• 19:30
  in their home,
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: especially with a senior,
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: very senior dog.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: She needs to be home.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not fair to put her in some unknown place.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I get it.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it makes me wonder too,
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: if this person loves their dogs as much as we think that they do,
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: and as much as this job posting is reading as though they do,
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: then maybe this job pays like sick money.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe this could be enough for someone to live off of.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Let's apply.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Key responsibilities.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Daily dog care, enrichment, companionship, and routine management.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Daily long walks, trail hikes, and outdoor activities in all seasons.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Feeding routines and basic grooming.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: So brushing, paw cleaning, et cetera.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Monitoring and providing consistent updates on the dog's health,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: behavior,
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: mood activities,
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: and overall wellbeing.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: coordinating and scheduling veterinary and grooming appointments,
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: overnight care during periods of travel and holidays,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: maintaining tidy,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: organized,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: and dog safe living spaces,
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: weekly household laundry,
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: including dog bedding,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: household bedding,
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: and sofa blankets,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: keeping household essential supplies stocked,
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: including seasonal items,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: assist with household organization during seasonal transitions,
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: support with occasional day-to-day tasks and errands as needed,
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: regular vacuuming and light floor care,
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: dusting and general surface cleaning,
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: maintaining overall household cleanliness,
• 21:05
  working with the owner's personal assistant to provide access
• 21:09
  and oversight for
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: contractors and maintenance personnel.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to stop there.
• 21:13
  That's a lot of bullet points,
• 21:14
  and there are some that are very confusing to me.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: But first, what are your thoughts?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 21:20
  it really paints a picture of like you're you are going to be
• 21:23
  the head of household
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: while this person is away and they're going to be away a lot.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're bundling together.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, they said this in the job description.
• 21:33
  They're bundling together the taking care of the dogs and
• 21:37
  taking care of the house thing.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: So like that's that's really the expectation.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that it was.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: through that lens, it was pretty well described, those responsibilities.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's different from an office job.
• 21:57
  There's going to be a whole lot of agency that goes along with
• 22:00
  this just by the
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: nature of what it is.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the day, it's really
• 22:05
  keep the dogs not being alive um keep the house from burning
• 22:08
  down uh and you you
• 22:10
  couldn't possibly list out the 2 000 bullet points that would
• 22:14
  go into that without
• 22:15
  scaring people off right um but finding finding the right
• 22:20
  person and finding
• 22:22
  finding someone that you trust to do all of that through like a
• 22:27
  job search
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: recruitment type process is
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that could be interesting,
• 22:34
  because how do you how do you build trust like that level of
• 22:38
  trust through a couple
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: of interviews?
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: How does that work?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: And interestingly, I found this job posting on LinkedIn.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: So LinkedIn is like a professional site.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: if that would be the best way to find someone.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: I would think for a role like this, it would be through networks.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or an agency of some sort.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Or an agency.
• 23:04
  Presumably,
• 23:04
  there'd be an agency of some sort that does this type of stuff.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: This person, it's clear that they've got money.
• 23:13
  There are agencies that cater to the uber wealthy and just
• 23:15
  don't advertise on LinkedIn.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: They don't friggin' need to.
• 23:18
  exactly yeah it was it was odd to me that this was a linkedin
• 23:20
  job posting but um
• 23:24
  some of the things that were interesting to me well i like that
• 23:26
  they want like they
• 23:28
  want consistent updates on the dog's health behavior mood
• 23:32
  activities and overall
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: well-being
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: That could be a green flag or a red flag, like it's both.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you're,
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: if you're expected to send updates on the dogs,
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: like every,
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: every 22 minutes and you know,
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: if you use the wrong phrasing and send the,
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: the owner into like a panic and whatever,
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: and then they start calling and they start yelling at you and whatnot,
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: like that might not be a good scene.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: You just brought something up, but that's really important too.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: What a responsibility.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yes, we talk about trust, but like,
• 24:03
  anything could happen we had our friend's dog we were taking
• 24:06
  care of and this
• 24:08
  mother escaped twice and we have two dogs and they've never
• 24:12
  escaped he was running
• 24:14
  up and down the street we were screaming for him neighbors were
• 24:17
  trying to help
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: catch him and like i i don't know what happened it was a split second so
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Again, our dogs have never done that.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Dogs behave differently.
• 24:28
  But like,
• 24:28
  imagine a person who loves their dogs as much as this person
• 24:32
  obviously does.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then something happens.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: You would want to make sure whoever gets this job,
• 24:37
  please make sure that there's some paperwork that really like
• 24:39
  outlines that kind of
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: like accountability and not being...
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Limitation of liability.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe get yourself some good liability insurance.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Get some insurance.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like a contractor.
• 24:52
  absolutely highly recommend that another thing that was odd to
• 24:55
  me was okay and
• 24:57
  again like okay you're doing some laundry you're doing it
• 24:59
  sounds to me like this is
• 25:00
  primarily to get rid of dog hair uh because it's not it's
• 25:05
  nothing wild but things
• 25:07
  like surface cleaning and vacuuming um the the household
• 25:13
  bedding the dog bedding
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: sofa blankets it sounds like the dogs can kind of
• 25:17
  go on the bed and go on the couches and so it's just making
• 25:20
  sure that that doesn't
• 25:21
  build up totally fine reasonable but what does it mean keeping
• 25:26
  household essentials
• 25:27
  supplied this household essential supplies stocked including
• 25:31
  seasonal items yeah
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is that like salt for snow?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: In Collingwood,
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'd imagine,
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: like road salt for the driveway and whatnot,
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: because Collingwood gets a ton of snow.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: They get a ton of snow.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: The weather is not pleasant there.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: for Ontario,
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: weather's worse on the prairies,
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: but for Ontario,
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: it's not great weather in the winter.
• 25:55
  So maybe it's that because then it also says assist with
• 25:57
  household organization
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: during seasonal transitions.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Again, West Coast, West Coast, we don't have seasons really.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's rain or it's sunny.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like what is a seasonal transition like in that area?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, could be put up the Christmas tree, stuff like that.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay,
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: it's like some,
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: some people,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: some people really do that,
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: that that seasonal decorating thing like I can't be bothered.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Christmas, my wife loves Christmas.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: So like our flat,
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: it's Christmas day,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: probably the third or fourth November every year.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: But some people put up like harvest decorations,
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thanksgiving decorations,
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Halloween decorations,
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Easter decorations.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, be one of those.
• 26:41
  i just really didn't know thank you that's very clarifying i
• 26:44
  didn't know what that
• 26:45
  meant my brain couldn't go to that i too like to decorate here
• 26:49
  and there um
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: especially halloween um so this then
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: it fortifies the idea that they don't have a big staff.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: We know they have a personal assistant now.
• 26:59
  And I wonder if they are trying to take a few things off of the
• 27:04
  personal assistance
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: plate and give those duties to this dog nanny person.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: And this also, it really paints the picture of the person who lives here.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you said,
• 27:16
  I think you said earlier in the reading off the posting that
• 27:20
  this is the primary
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: residence,
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay,
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: so like I was kind of thinking at various points,
• 27:26
  like maybe this is a vacation home or something that they go in
• 27:29
  year round and like
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: the family doesn't live there.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: They just come visit once in a while.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: But if this is the primary residence,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: this really feels to me like there isn't a biological family around,
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: like a support network around to kind of do that.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like this really seems to me to be like,
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: one person and their two dogs kind of at this house.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: So they need the extra help.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And this is kind of what that is.
• 27:55
  And like they're de facto kind of a proxy orbiting pseudo
• 27:59
  family,
• 27:59
  this person.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: It just it feels like that.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just had to double check primary residence.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, ideal candidate.
• 28:13
  Deep love for dogs and genuine enjoyment of spending the
• 28:15
  majority of the day with them.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Comfortable balancing dog care with light household responsibilities.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Active and outdoors oriented,
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: comfortable with hour-long hiking,
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: trail walking,
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: and being outside in all seasons.
• 28:29
  Confident managing multi-dog dynamics,
• 28:32
  energy levels,
• 28:33
  routines,
• 28:34
  and enrichment.
• 28:35
  Attentive observer who notices changes in behavior,
• 28:39
  appetite,
• 28:39
  mood,
• 28:40
  and physical condition.
• 28:41
  Comfortable administering medications or following veterinary
• 28:44
  instructions if required.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Calm, dependable, and highly organized.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: naturally tidy and respectful of the owner's home,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: excellent communicator who provides regular and accurate updates,
• 28:57
  holds a valid driver's license with a reliable vehicle and a
• 29:01
  clean driving
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: abstract,
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: flexible availability,
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: including occasional weekends and holidays,
• 29:08
  previous dog care and household experience strongly preferred
• 29:11
  professional or
• 29:12
  personal preference will be given to candidates who do not
• 29:15
  currently have pets as
• 29:17
  one of the dogs is very sensitive to unfamiliar dogs in her
• 29:20
  home environment.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: So let's stop there.
• 29:25
  That's going to make it more challenging to find someone
• 29:28
  because Collingwood is a big dog area.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get very far when you're out and about,
• 29:33
  whether it's in town or in kind of the resort areas like the
• 29:37
  town where all the
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Airbnbs and whatever are.
• 29:39
  You don't get very far without seeing a whole whack load of
• 29:42
  people walking dogs.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's going to make it even more challenging to find someone.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Students, maybe?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: But no, because then you go to school.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: and it feels to me like one of the objectives of this is to find,
• 29:59
  back to your point about why not just take him to the kennel or
• 30:02
  have a dog walker
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: come by or whatnot.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: It feels to me like one of the objectives this person has, and I love it.
• 30:09
  I actually think this is kind of a green flag,
• 30:10
  even though it's not written out.
• 30:13
  One of their objectives is to find someone that the dogs like
• 30:17
  and can bond with.
• 30:19
  um while the owner is away so that they're they're happier like
• 30:22
  they've got a
• 30:22
  person around uh it feels a bit like that because you're right
• 30:26
  like why else go to
• 30:27
  all this trouble when there are market solutions that are
• 30:32
  already around right
• 30:33
  other than the kennel thing like people don't like putting
• 30:35
  their dogs in kennels i
• 30:36
  got that but dog walking not tough to find a dog walker right
• 30:42
  absolutely yep
• 30:44
  um anything else for those ideal candidates uh it all it all
• 30:49
  makes a lot of sense
• 30:51
  but from a structural standpoint it is going to be challenging
• 30:53
  to find like uh you
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: know the what this person wants they're applying filtering i think quite
• 30:59
  effectively i think they know what they want um but the
• 31:02
  filtering might be a little
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: bit too aggressive for collingwood
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder what could make this a little bit easier for them?
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like what would have to change?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: let's,
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: let's finish it and maybe we'll talk a little bit about,
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting ahead of myself.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about,
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: and this is going to answer a question that I posed earlier is like,
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: what's the pay structure like?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: So what we offer competitive monthly salary,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: commensurate with experience,
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: stable long-term employment with two wonderful dogs,
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful outdoor environment and nature-focused lifestyle.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Pardon me.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Respectful, transparent, and professional working relationship.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to go into how to apply because it's almost done.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: If you are an adaptable,
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: compassionate dog lover who values consistency,
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: nature,
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: and responsible caregiving,
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: we would love to hear from you.
• 31:55
  Please submit your resume and a brief note describing your dog
• 31:58
  experience and why
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: this role feels like the right fit in one document.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Selected candidates will be contacted directly for next steps.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Please note references,
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: a background check,
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: and a driver's abstract will be requested prior to finalizing employment.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the end.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: So a salary is not listed here.
• 32:18
  And one thing to note,
• 32:21
  I mean,
• 32:21
  we do talk a lot about the requirements in Ontario.
• 32:25
  requirement but it's also a requirement based on employee count
• 32:29
  and yeah they'd be
• 32:29
  exempt for sure yeah um so i still i want to see a salary i
• 32:34
  want to know how much
• 32:34
  it is um but it's not listed so yeah particularly with this one
• 32:40
  um you you would
• 32:42
  want to see a salary listed because you you are going to have
• 32:45
  to make some
• 32:46
  decisions about your lifestyle um how you organize your
• 32:51
  yourself your daily
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: activities uh and whether or not you can have other employment
• 32:56
  right because this this is this whole variable schedule but
• 32:59
  still five days a week
• 33:00
  thing unless there is sufficient salary there to fund someone's
• 33:07
  life like you know
• 33:08
  displace the the money that they would be making from another
• 33:11
  job this probably
• 33:13
  isn't gonna work like yeah the remote thing like if you have a
• 33:16
  job and you work
• 33:16
  remote like you're a kind of professional and you're doing this
• 33:19
  and you kind of
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: work from the house yeah yeah
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: But it's going to be tough.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I would want to see a salary.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: And even then,
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: it's like,
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: OK,
• 33:29
  how much money is on the table for me to completely turn my
• 33:33
  personal life upside
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: down?
• 33:35
  Because if I'm working remote and I'm making OK enough money to
• 33:40
  pay my rent and
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: bills and whatnot,
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: and this is just kind of something extra,
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: this is still going to cut into my free time.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's going to make it very, very difficult for me to plan vacations.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: What if I want to go away and go camping?
• 33:53
  right or like hiking or whatever if i want to go to a resort or
• 33:56
  i want to travel
• 33:57
  for a little bit and take a proper vacation even if i just want
• 34:00
  to like you know
• 34:01
  bugger off and go to another city that's a couple hours away to
• 34:04
  visit friends are
• 34:05
  you going to have to sacrifice all of that for this yeah
• 34:11
  absolutely you are
• 34:12
  absolutely you're not telling us how you're going to compensate
• 34:15
  us for for that
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: pretty big ask like that's a red flag for me i don't dig that
• 34:21
  yeah it is interesting like it and i also wonder is this like
• 34:26
  why why now is this a
• 34:28
  new position it sure sounds like it to me um what were they
• 34:33
  doing before did the
• 34:34
  owner's job change and they're required to suddenly travel a
• 34:39
  lot um that that's
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: interesting as well but no you're right like if if somebody is going to
• 34:46
  be there for this person's holidays and vacations and all of
• 34:50
  that stuff weekends
• 34:51
  things like that it really limits what the other person is able
• 34:55
  oh my god sorry to
• 34:58
  do and i'm allergic to dogs you're allergic to talking about
• 35:04
  other people's dogs
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: because you have your own
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: to Fifi and Fufu.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's very limiting of what this person can do.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe the salary is really good.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe it's enough of a salary that this is your salary,
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: but even then it doesn't mention benefits.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mention vacation time.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not really-
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: a job that takes care of those types of things for you either.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I find that really interesting.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Driver's abstract, I don't know, maybe I'm ignorant.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know what that was, so I had to look it up.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: But it's your driver's driving record.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it makes sense to me.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you,
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: especially in this backdrop of like you really care about the dogs,
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: you're not going to hire somebody who's a terrible driver,
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: does lots of texting,
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: doesn't have any hangups about,
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: having a wobbly pop and get behind the wheel,
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: which it happens a lot less than it did 30 or 40 years ago,
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: but it happens.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: You want to screen out those folks for sure.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like I get that.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: It is quite the step, but I get it.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I get it, too.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: I just for me, it was a new term.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'd never heard of it before.
• 36:13
  One of the things that was in the ideal candidate thing section
• 36:17
  that we didn't talk
• 36:18
  about was preference will be given to candidates who do not
• 36:20
  currently have pets as
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: one of the dogs.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to guess it's Fifi is very sensitive to unfamiliar dogs.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's Fifi.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's totally such a fee fee thing.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: So this is interesting, too, which is almost good.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to touch on it because,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: if somebody loves dogs,
• 36:41
  but maybe they live in an apartment where they're not allowed
• 36:43
  to have dogs or
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: whatever reason,
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: then they still get to,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 36:47
  fill their bucket of spending time with dogs and not having any
• 36:52
  of their own.
• 36:55
  but it's it's also kind of limiting as well say you decide you
• 36:59
  want to get a dog
• 37:00
  your your arrangement changes and you it's time for you to get
• 37:02
  a dog now and like
• 37:03
  you can't um that's wild like an employer to say to dictate
• 37:11
  whether or not you can
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: have a dog i mean they do say preference will be given so i'm like
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: maybe they're a bit flexible with that.
• 37:20
  But interesting,
• 37:21
  we can,
• 37:21
  it already,
• 37:22
  like that's a bread flag just for Fifi.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: That Fifi is going to be high maintenance.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: So not necessarily very easygoing.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to know how that comes out.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like sensitive to unfamiliar dogs.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: They're saying don't bring the dog into her environment,
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: but are they saying you can't have a dog?
• 37:41
  Because they are kind of saying preference will be given to
• 37:44
  candidates who don't
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: currently have pets.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Not even dogs.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, pets.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: What about like, we're going to get our son a hamster.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm going to regret it.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: But like, what about other pets?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: What about if you have a cat?
• 37:56
  It sounds like Fifi is very sensitive to the smell of other
• 38:00
  four legged life forms
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: and just doesn't dig that.
• 38:06
  It's actually it's very good that they said preference and not
• 38:10
  requirement,
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: because if they had said requirement,
• 38:14
  I think that that would be pretty solid grounds for a
• 38:17
  discrimination suit from
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: someone.
• 38:20
  um whether or not you wanted to about and pursue something like
• 38:24
  that um maybe maybe
• 38:26
  not but uh but that that type of exclusionary requirement um
• 38:32
  the courts don't
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: really dig they tend to frown on that yeah so
• 38:40
  no salary do we want to i i couldn't even i couldn't even guess
• 38:45
  what a salary like
• 38:46
  this would be because there's so many unknowns um because if
• 38:51
  they're saying it's a
• 38:52
  monthly salary but then some hours you might or some some weeks
• 38:56
  you might work more
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: than others like it's really hard to put a number
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: I almost think of it like a retainer.
• 39:04
  I almost think of it like a monthly retainer rather than a
• 39:08
  monthly salary.
• 39:08
  It's like,
• 39:09
  you know,
• 39:10
  I'm buying your time to do all the stuff that needs to be done
• 39:14
  every month.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: And if you can do it in five hours, cool.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Based on my schedule, great.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: If you need,
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: 30 or 40 a week to do it,
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: okay,
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: that's why you've got the monthly retainer.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you're right.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's tough to put a price tag on it.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: personally if if the way that i kind of look at this is like
• 39:32
  this is going to severely limit my employment opportunities for
• 39:37
  having another job.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that means that this kind of needs to,
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: this is the way I think about it,
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: this needs to be kind of my primary source of income.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you think about like the cost of living in Ontario and Collingwood.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Collingwood's a small place,
• 39:52
  but the cost of living there is a little bit nutty because it's
• 39:55
  a tourist area and
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: there's lots of demand and there's been lots of displacement of housing.
• 40:01
  uh for short-term rentals so living in callingwood's not cheap
• 40:06
  um i would probably
• 40:07
  guess that you would need for something like this between 60
• 40:11
  and 75 to make it work
• 40:12
  if it's your only source of income um unless of course there's
• 40:17
  you know stuff that
• 40:18
  is provided by um by the employer that's just not listed like
• 40:23
  they talked about
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: it's not a live-in position but there's overnight stays
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: I agree like 75 K maybe for a job like this,
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: but we just,
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: we have no,
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: we have no way of knowing.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: And before we rate it,
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: I do want to take a moment to,
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: like we mentioned earlier,
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: like what would make this better?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: What would make it easier for the employer to find someone?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's just going to be really hard for them.
• 40:58
  It's such an important,
• 40:59
  I don't know,
• 40:59
  it's just such an important position.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: You can really read that it means so much to them.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: They're willing to invest the time,
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: the money,
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: the time,
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: the money,
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: not their time,
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: because they're hiring someone to do that part for them anyway.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: What would make this easier for them to find someone?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: What's missing?
• 41:17
  I think that this is a,
• 41:20
  I think that this is kind of a bit of a structural problem.
• 41:28
  There are so many filters in place that are going to screen out
• 41:32
  people who already
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: live in this area that that's going to be the primary challenge.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: So if it were me,
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: like let's say this gets posted,
• 41:42
  I go through a couple of rounds of not finding someone locally
• 41:46
  and I'm like,
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: what do I do next?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 41:48
  I think what I would be looking to do next is actually kind of
• 41:51
  expand the scope of
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: this role a little bit and make it a live-in role.
• 41:56
  Because then you could you could hire somebody from another
• 42:00
  market and bring them in.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe you have like a kind of rotating staff of three people.
• 42:06
  You could hire them from like Toronto or Vancouver or Edmonton
• 42:10
  or Montreal and be
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: hey,
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: come here four months of the year.
• 42:13
  for four months like this is what you do and then the other
• 42:16
  person takes over and
• 42:17
  then the other person takes over that something like that would
• 42:21
  help you expand
• 42:22
  your candidate pool but then there are still problems right
• 42:25
  like you find someone
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: who's willing to be away from their family for four months
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: So then you're looking for someone who doesn't have a family.
• 42:32
  So you're kind of looking young student or maybe you're looking
• 42:35
  like older,
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: retired,
• 42:37
  like you come up with a bunch of different sets of problems
• 42:41
  that you have to
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: overcome.
• 42:46
  so we're gonna be tough i like i feel for this person i feel
• 42:49
  for this person like
• 42:50
  part of me is like well you know obviously got tons of money so
• 42:54
  i can't feel too
• 42:55
  too bad for you but obviously they love their dogs yeah and
• 42:59
  they want their dogs to
• 43:00
  have a human while they're not around that's going to be kind
• 43:03
  of a challenge um
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: yeah i think sorry i i think what i would do
• 43:10
  for me what I would recommend is to beef up the role and make
• 43:13
  it a um household
• 43:16
  manager role so like it says household coordinator but be like
• 43:21
  the the family
• 43:22
  office household manager so this personal assistant maybe
• 43:25
  reports into them um
• 43:27
  they're already doing some of those duties but I think just
• 43:29
  like make it a bit
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: meatier a bit of a more robust role um
• 43:36
  determine those hours just get a little bit more set with it if
• 43:39
  you can um and have
• 43:42
  a really good salary so that this is someone's full-time job
• 43:45
  the living part is
• 43:46
  interesting because it doesn't sound like they have a guest
• 43:48
  house or anything so
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: basically you're saying that that person would like
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: live in your house in a spare room,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: which a lot of au pairs and things like that do,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: it just changes the dynamic.
• 43:58
  When you're doing that and there are children around,
• 44:00
  children are taking up a lot of space.
• 44:02
  There's a lot of buffer because they're also talking and
• 44:05
  they're running around,
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: but when it's dogs,
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: you're just kind of like,
• 44:08
  sitting there like so we we're roomies i guess i mean a lot
• 44:14
  predicated a lot
• 44:15
  predicated on this that we we don't really know right like uh
• 44:17
  the question comes up
• 44:19
  with this part of the discussion like what's the size of the
• 44:21
  house because you know
• 44:23
  in my mind and i'm sure in your mind we're thinking um we're
• 44:27
  thinking like kind of
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: standard issue family suburban homes you know a few bedrooms like
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: sort of an acre, half an acre sort of thing.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: But if this person is hiring a dog nanny
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: full-time, they could very well have a heck of a mansion.
• 44:45
  And it could be like one of these 10 or 15 bedroom places which
• 44:49
  do exist in Collingwood.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of them are put up on Airbnb as short-term rentals.
• 44:54
  And you go there for five grand for like a weekend sort of
• 44:57
  thing on a ski trip.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Tons of those houses.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe this person owns one of those outright and they don't Airbnb it.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: So like the live-in thing,
• 45:04
  maybe it's not an issue if that's what they've got going on
• 45:07
  with their living
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: arrangements.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe if they have as much money as we think they do,
• 45:13
  then maybe they invest and do a little like sweet and then that
• 45:17
  way that person can
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: live.
• 45:18
  And I do think the living in thing would solve a lot of
• 45:21
  problems for them.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: But brings up more challenges like we've talked about.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: So overall then, how would you rate this job posting?
• 45:34
  So I'm going to I'm going to split this into two scores because
• 45:37
  I think especially
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: with a with with something like this,
• 45:42
  it's good to look at it from two different angles from the
• 45:46
  perspective of like
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: scoring the job at itself.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: What did it tell us?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what's that out of ten?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: I would probably rate the job ad itself out of five out of ten.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: There was some good stuff in the job ad that I that I liked.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there was talk of there was talk of trust based relationships.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: You really got a sense of why they're trying to to hire this person.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think the duties were pretty clear,
• 46:12
  even though there were some some nuances that we talked about
• 46:16
  that was like,
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: what does that actually mean?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: There was some of that.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: But overall, I kind of got the role from from your read of it.
• 46:25
  So like five out of 10 could have been better could have been
• 46:28
  more descriptive.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, five out of 10 job design, though, the role design that I would
• 46:40
  i would probably score the role design a four yeah out of ten i
• 46:48
  i get what they're
• 46:49
  trying to do but structurally there's a lot stacked up against
• 46:54
  this from a role
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: design perspective
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, full time hours, not set schedule, won't know what those are.
• 47:03
  Responsibilities like it sounds kind of like this is an outcome
• 47:06
  based gig.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure the house doesn't burn down.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure Fifi and Fufu are alive and happy when the owner gets back.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Those parts are very clear.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: But what leads into those things structurally,
• 47:21
  there's a lot stacked against them finding the right person
• 47:24
  that they want.
• 47:25
  And if this person does love their dogs as much as it sounds
• 47:28
  like they do,
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: they're going to be real picky.
• 47:31
  about the person that they hire and a part of me thinks that
• 47:37
  that is going to be a
• 47:38
  strike against some people because if the owner doesn't like
• 47:42
  them they won't hire
• 47:43
  them even if the person is qualified and capable and willing to
• 47:46
  do the job like
• 47:48
  this this just this this is a bit too dependent on vibes it
• 47:53
  feels like to me to be
• 47:55
  like a fairly designed role like there's going to be a lot of
• 47:58
  messiness in this and
• 48:00
  It's not something that the person who ultimately gets hired is
• 48:03
  going to be able to
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: do a heck of a lot about.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: I would say the posting itself to me was more like seven out of 10.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't mention salary.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't have like an AI disclosure,
• 48:17
  which I really doubt they're using AI to screen or select
• 48:22
  candidates here.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, it's going to be more of a vibes based hire.
• 48:27
  as it should be for the dogs especially like imagine the
• 48:31
  interview process for this
• 48:34
  job too right uh yeah i i think it was good i think it maybe
• 48:39
  should have mentioned
• 48:40
  things like what kind of what kind of house that the person can
• 48:43
  understand what are
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: they just going to be like
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  In a room closet or do they actually have like some space when
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  they're sleeping
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  SPEAKER_00: over that kind of thing.
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  So a little bit more information was needed there for the job
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  design same I'm about a four.
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  I'm not sure how this is going to work out for them,
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  but I wish everyone the best.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that there are some improvements that can be made,
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  they really need to to think it through and it will come down
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  at the end of the
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: day,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is going to come down to
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  SPEAKER_00: like the right person finding this at the right time in their lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't see it being a long-term thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It mentions long-term,
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: In the job posting, I can't see that it will be for.
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  Fifi and Fufu got a shelf life no matter what you do and how
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  well you care for them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sorry to be blatantly honest.
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  That and like you said,
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  you're giving up your weekends,
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  holidays,
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  like all of this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: You got to live your life too.
• 49:39
  So eventually it's just probably not going to,
• 49:42
  it's just not going to feel sustainable.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: Final question that I have for you.
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  before we wrap this up before we consider this post roasted in
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  your head when you
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: close your eyes and you're thinking about the two dogs that are mentioned
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  throughout this job posting kind of dogs are they what kind of
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  dogs are they yeah I
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  uh maybe I biased myself by kind of like uh you know naming
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  them Fifi and Fufu but
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  SPEAKER_01: uh I picked I picked your poodles
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  me too one black and one white standard poodle oh i had both i
• 50:19
  had both white
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  poodles like very very well coiffed like i got a perm today
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  white poodles oh yeah
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  like little ribbons i think black and white for me because i
• 50:29
  have poodle salt and
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  pepper shakers and they're so cute and they're very like
• 50:33
  well-to-do poodles like
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: they
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  they're high class chic poodles and so that's what I picture
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  here that is so funny
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: but maybe it is maybe the names as soon as you throw the names our brains
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  automatically went to poodles so I'm curious what listeners uh
• 50:49
  and watchers thought
• 50:50
  the whole time as well maybe we need disclosure at the top
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  saying before you listen
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  we're gonna ask you to send in what kind of dogs you were
• 50:59
  thinking about this whole
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  SPEAKER_00: time
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  Y'all got thoughts like comment on the episode page and tell us
• 51:05
  what kind of dogs
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: you think we're talking about here.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: We both went full poodle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Full poodle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Full poodle.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I got.
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