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INTERVIEW: Byron Donalds Talks Trump Vs. Kamala, Jan. 6 Insurrection, Racism In America, Reparations + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in stej n V, Jess, Hilarrys, Charlamagne,
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  Speaker 2: the gud We are the Breakfast Club, just as on
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  Speaker 2: maternity leave. So Laura Ross is filling in. We also
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  Speaker 2: have our sister Angela Rye with us this.
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  Speaker 3: Morning, the host of the Native Lamb podcast.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, and we got a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 2: He's from Brooklyn, the brother Byron Donald's.
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  Speaker 3: Also with the fam.
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  Speaker 1: You too, HBCU there you Gooklyn, Yeah, Crownheightst. Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: Can't you tell us the meeting way speaks. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you don't sound like nothing but.
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  Speaker 1: The New Yorker Park Place, Choring, Schenectady.
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  Speaker 2: Man, the way he walked in, I was like, new Yorker,
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  Speaker 2: we'll welcome brother.
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  Speaker 4: So how'd you become a well, I guess because you
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  Speaker 4: know in New York is considered such a liberal place.
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  Speaker 3: How did you become a conservative?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man? Politics came late from me in life. I
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  Speaker 1: started as a Democrat, right, Yeah, it was a registered Democrat.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't really care about politics. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people like that in the country. They just register as
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  Speaker 1: whatever family or friends are, not really thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: My career was financed, so I graduated with a your
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  Speaker 1: finance marketing from Florida State. I had too much fun
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  Speaker 1: at FAMU, so I had to transfer. So I transferred
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  Speaker 1: to the FSU got my degree there. Started in my career,
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  Speaker 1: worked in banking, worked in insurance, and then do a
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  Speaker 1: financial collapse of a wait. My company had international clients
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  Speaker 1: and they were saying, we need to get information for
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  Speaker 1: our clients so we can keep the investment going. So
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  Speaker 1: I started doing the research because I had worked in
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  Speaker 1: banking for five years. And when I did the research,
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  Speaker 1: one of the last things I did was watch the
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  Speaker 1: House Financial Services Committee in Congress. First time I ever
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  Speaker 1: watched the Congressional Committee, and I watched it, and really,
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  Speaker 1: for me, it was that the members didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: they were talking about. I was like, who are these people?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was twenty nine at the time, twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine to thirty, and I'm thinking, who are these guys?
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  Speaker 1: They don't know what they're talking about a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff doesn't make sense. And so that's really what started
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  Speaker 1: having me starting to think about politics, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the journey kind of went from there. But I got
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  Speaker 1: to tell y'all both. My son, he's sitting at home,
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  Speaker 1: my son Mason, and he's a huge fan, so he
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  Speaker 1: listens all the time. So I got to get a
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  Speaker 1: shot to Mason.
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  Speaker 5: Congress, you just mentioned that you attended FAMU but graduated
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  Speaker 5: from Florida State. We know that Donald Trump committed two
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  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty five million dollars annually to HBCUs, while
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  Speaker 5: the Biden administration invested more than sixteen billion since fiscal
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  Speaker 5: year twenty twenty one to HBCUs, averaging more than four
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  Speaker 5: billion dollars annually. They also challenged states through the Department
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  Speaker 5: of Education on that same department that projects twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: five wants to abolish, and the US Department of Agriculture
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  Speaker 5: to close a twelve billion dollar gap between funding of
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  Speaker 5: land grant institutions that are traditionally white institutions and historically
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  Speaker 5: black colleges. FAMU is, of course one of those schools,
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  Speaker 5: as you know. The letator to Governor DeSantis said, in
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  Speaker 5: the last thirty years alone, an additional over one point
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  Speaker 5: nine billion dollars would have been available for FAMU had
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  Speaker 5: this disparity not existed. We obligation this Florida have to
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  Speaker 5: properly fund FAMU to ensure rattlers like yourself are properly
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  Speaker 5: educated with the resources they do serve.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean thank you for the question. I
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  Speaker 1: think that the disparities you talk about between some of
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  Speaker 1: the you know, I guess probably more prolific universities in
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  Speaker 1: our state like UF and FSU versus FAM YOU, and
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  Speaker 1: from some of the younger universities like UWF, un F,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. It's something that when I was in the
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  Speaker 1: state legislature, we actually talked a lot about. My last
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  Speaker 1: year in Tallahassee, there was a project for the Student
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  Speaker 1: Services Build and it was about a twenty five million
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  Speaker 1: dollar contract project. Myself and members on the Democrats side
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  Speaker 1: of the aisle, we worked with the leadership in Tallahassee
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  Speaker 1: and then Governor Destiantis to make sure that fam YOU
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  Speaker 1: got the money they needed to build that project out completely.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's something specifically I worked on. I think
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  Speaker 1: going forward, you know, that is something we gotta definitely address.
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  Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. I think there's two issues though,
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  Speaker 1: in higher education we got to also address. We do
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with the unaffordability of college and a partner.
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  Speaker 1: Of the reason why it is a problem is because
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  Speaker 1: so much money is poured into universities, and we have
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  Speaker 1: told so many kids in the United States that the
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  Speaker 1: only way to be successful is to go to college.
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  Speaker 1: I'm from the generation I don't want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: your age, aams just humble, leave that alone. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: call you thirty two years old and I'm gonna walk away.
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  Speaker 5: I'm forty four. I'll be forty five, not thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: Is way better. But anyway, you know, it's all right,
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  Speaker 1: it's all right, it's all right. But I think the
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  Speaker 1: point is that we have to start telling, you know,
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  Speaker 1: young people that there's multiple ways to be successful. When
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  Speaker 1: you have a situation coming from high school where all
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  Speaker 1: your successes can only be found with a four year degree,
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  Speaker 1: what you also end up doing is you put up
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  Speaker 1: with pressure on the cost of college. But you're getting
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people coming out of college who have
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  Speaker 1: a degree that doesn't have economic value when there are
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  Speaker 1: multiple pathways for success in the United States. So funding
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  Speaker 1: that is on par through all universities is important. I
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  Speaker 1: do agree, but we also have to address the realities
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  Speaker 1: that's pushing every high school student into college. With the
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  Speaker 1: alse reality that a college degree is going to make
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  Speaker 1: you successful. It's not going to help them help help
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  Speaker 1: them for successful term because they're going to be burdened
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  Speaker 1: with the cost of that degree. Go into the real
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  Speaker 1: world and then realize, hold on, wait a minute, I
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  Speaker 1: can't get a job with the degree I have. Not
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  Speaker 1: all degrees are the same. I believe, personally, an accounting degree,
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  Speaker 1: a finance degree, like I have an engineering degree, a
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  Speaker 1: law degree that has more economic value overall in the
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  Speaker 1: economy than a marketing degree, which I also have, or
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  Speaker 1: a communications degree, or or or a psychology degree, or
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  Speaker 1: a philosophy degree, et cetera. If you can get into
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  Speaker 1: psychology and make that work for yourself. So I think
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  Speaker 1: there's multiple layers to college education that we need to address.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, right, yeah, So I
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  Speaker 2: want to go back a little bit. So you you
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  Speaker 2: were arrested before for marijuana. Yeah, you're arrested for bank fraud.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're also of Caribbean descent Jamaican. When you hear Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump talk about some of the other brothers that were
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  Speaker 2: arrested and taking out that full ad in the paper,
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  Speaker 2: all you hear them talking about Haitian people are eating
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  Speaker 2: dogs and cats. You still stand by them and what
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  Speaker 2: they believe in?
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  Speaker 1: If you do, why, well, a couple of things.
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  Speaker 2: Given a second chance, but like we should have like
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  Speaker 2: you should have been But you know, why do you
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  Speaker 2: still stand by them?
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  Speaker 1: If you do well? I think you also got to
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge that when he was president, he also did the
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  Speaker 1: First Step Act, which underdid which undid a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the issues with the ninety four crime Bill that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of politicians, including the current president, were four. He
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  Speaker 1: undid that when he was president of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: I think second changes are important in society. I think
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  Speaker 1: everybody's afforded them. You know what happened with the Central
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  Speaker 1: Park five. I was probably sixth seventh grade, eighth grade
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  Speaker 1: when that was going down in New York, YEP. I
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  Speaker 1: can't really speak to that.
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  Speaker 2: But what I also where you couldn't escape around it.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere you couldn't escape it. But what I would also
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  Speaker 1: add is that in two thousand, Donald Trump was a
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  Speaker 1: member of the Reform Party. Most people don't talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: He was a member of the Reform Party. When David
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  Speaker 1: Duke joined the Reform Party, he left. He famed. She
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  Speaker 1: said I can't be associated with that party because they
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  Speaker 1: let David do come in. That man is a klansman.
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  Speaker 1: When he bought Mara a Lago, he desegregated Maro Lago.
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  Speaker 1: But at the time when he bought it, only white
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  Speaker 1: people were allowed in Marlago. He desegregated that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of black people and Jewish people be a part of
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  Speaker 1: Mari Lago. So I think that when you start going
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  Speaker 1: down the road of the past, you have to take
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  Speaker 1: a man in his totality. I know the man today,
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  Speaker 1: and then when you couple that with the economic policies,
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  Speaker 1: the energy policies, the foreign policy, we have to acknowledge
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  Speaker 1: the reality that in the world today, the United States
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  Speaker 1: is in the midst of two conflicts, not directly but indirectly.
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  Speaker 1: We just sent troops over into the Middle East because
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  Speaker 1: of the growing conflict with our ally Israel having to
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  Speaker 1: essentially secure it's a sovereignty and its protection from Hesbalah
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  Speaker 1: and hamas well. When Donald Trump was president, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to do any of that. So I acknowledged the
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  Speaker 1: stuff that you're talking about what happened in the past.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you have to take a man on
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  Speaker 1: the full record and when he was president, he did
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  Speaker 1: release a lot of black people from prison. He did that.
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  Speaker 1: He did try to reform or some of the criminal
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  Speaker 1: justice system. He did that as well. And so that
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  Speaker 1: work is just as important as something that might he
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  Speaker 1: might have said back during the central part five.
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  Speaker 4: I acknowledge the first step back when you said he
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  Speaker 4: undid the ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: Crime bill, what do you mean? What I mean is
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  Speaker 1: that the reforms in the first step back did undid
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  Speaker 1: impart some of the issues in the ninety four crime
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  Speaker 1: build Not totally, not totally. It dealt with the sentencing
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  Speaker 1: of those people who were who either had their sentences
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  Speaker 1: reduced or were released, and their convictions were in line
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  Speaker 1: with the ninety four Crime Bill in the way criminal
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  Speaker 1: statutes were written during that during that under that piece
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  Speaker 1: of legislation, and on the whole.
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  Speaker 5: Uh sorry, just on the same point. You talked about
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  Speaker 5: taking the man in his totality. So one of those
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  Speaker 5: things in his totality is what happened on January sixth,
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  Speaker 5: which is your first term in Congress. Yeah, do you
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  Speaker 5: think he should be held accountable? Donald Trump should be
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  Speaker 5: held accountable for his role in the January sixth insurrection?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, First of all, I will tell
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  Speaker 1: you that every bodies responsible for their own actions, just
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna blame friends or blame anybody else
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  Speaker 1: for the things I've done wrong in my life. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna put that on him. I'm not gonna go
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna run around and blame Bernie Sanders for
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Steve's salicice was shot. Because if you
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  Speaker 1: go back and looking with Steve Scalise, who's the current
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  Speaker 1: leader in the House of Representatives, who almost died at
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  Speaker 1: a congressional baseball practice. Hold on, I'm explaining. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna come back to January sixth, Yeah, please do now. Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course, the shooter that almost killed Steve Scalise, the
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  Speaker 1: Republican leader. He said vehemently that the reason why he
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  Speaker 1: went to the congressional baseball practice of Republicans to shoot
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  Speaker 1: it up was because he felt that Republicans were going
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  Speaker 1: to take away health care, and what he had heard
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  Speaker 1: in his rhetoric was that was dangerous and these Republicans
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  Speaker 1: had to be stopped. So I'm gonna translate that to
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  Speaker 1: January sixth. The shooter is the one that perpetrated that crime.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put that on Bernie Sanders, who he
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  Speaker 1: cited for the rhetoric around why he went to the
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  Speaker 1: congressional baseball practice. That's the shooter that almost killed Steve Scalise.
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  Speaker 1: Let me translate. Donald Trump authorized ten thousand National Guard troops.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the oversight committee. He actually authorized ten thousand
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  Speaker 1: troops on January fourth, two days before January sixth. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: So if you're gonna say that you incited an insurrection,
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  Speaker 1: how you also are gonna how are you also going
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  Speaker 1: to authorize ten thousand National Guard troops to be at
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  Speaker 1: the Capitol? Are you inciting or are you not? Because
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  Speaker 1: the record is he authorized the troops. Nancy Pelosi and
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  Speaker 1: Mario Bowser, the mayor of DC, did not want the
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  Speaker 1: troops at the capitol. Mario Bowser signed a letter on
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  Speaker 1: January fifth wanting the National Guard troops to be on
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  Speaker 1: traffic duty in DC. Here's a funny thing about January fifth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, is that nobody was in DC because
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  Speaker 1: DC's rules around COVID nineteen had the entire city shut down.
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  Speaker 1: The streets were empty during this time. So the National
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  Speaker 1: Guard that was authorized by Donald Trump were on traffic
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  Speaker 1: duty when there was no traffic, when they could have
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  Speaker 1: been at the capitol. That's the history of January sixth.
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  Speaker 1: So your question is, well, did he did he inside
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  Speaker 1: a riot? Well, I never seen somebody inside.
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  Speaker 5: Because no, no, But I just I want to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that you're addressing the right point, because I actually
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  Speaker 5: did not use that language. What I asked you was
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  Speaker 5: should Donald Trump be held accountable for his role in
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  Speaker 5: January sixth? And so, what I think is important is
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  Speaker 5: to compare this to Steve Scalise being shot after someone
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  Speaker 5: wanted healthcare versus the rhetoric, the very dangerous rhetoric that
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  Speaker 5: Donald Trump spouted on January sixth. Were more than more
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  Speaker 5: than more than twelve hundred people have been charged in
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  Speaker 5: nearly all fifty states for their role, and one hundred
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  Speaker 5: and forty police officers were assaulted, the same police officers
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  Speaker 5: that your party has said they want qualified immunity for,
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  Speaker 5: and Donald Trump, because we're looking at the totality of
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  Speaker 5: the person, has said they should have full immunity, right,
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  Speaker 5: And when you think about the number of police officers
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  Speaker 5: who would get full immunity for their role in killing
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  Speaker 5: and being violent with people, in our community, like George Floyd,
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  Speaker 5: Breonna Taylor, Tamor, Rice Freddy Gray, Filando Castile, Charlena Lyles
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  Speaker 5: manny Ellis, is that really the kind of rhetoric that
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  Speaker 5: you want to push, especially at the breakfast club.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hold on a second, because you brought in like
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  Speaker 1: four different topics.
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  Speaker 5: Now, no, I didn't. What I brought in was January sixth, responsibility,
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  Speaker 5: police accountability, and I used examples of why they should
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  Speaker 5: be held accountable. But all you talked about how fantastic
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  Speaker 5: he was with the crime Bill, which I object, but
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  Speaker 5: I'll let you finish your point. You also have not
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  Speaker 5: acknowledged the fact that this man was vehemently opposed to
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  Speaker 5: the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act. And you all
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  Speaker 5: are supposed to be the party that protects law enforcement,
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  Speaker 5: where over one hundred and fifty police officers were assaulted
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  Speaker 5: that day on January sixth because of Donald.
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  Speaker 1: Trump's Okay, so let me respond to a couple of things.
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  Speaker 1: Number One, the George Floyd George Floyd Justice and Policing Act.
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  Speaker 1: There were actually two bills that were moving through the
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  Speaker 1: United States Senate that year. There was the George Floyd
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  Speaker 1: Policing Act that you discussed, and it was the bill
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  Speaker 1: that was written by Senator Tim Scott. They were both moving.
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  Speaker 1: They're go through the moving through the Senate right. The
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  Speaker 1: Tim Scott bill is the one that could have got
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  Speaker 1: signed into law. It was essentially a mirror image of
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  Speaker 1: the George Foyd Bill except for a qualified immunity. The
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  Speaker 1: difference between those two bills and Angeliae you just acknowledged it.
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  Speaker 1: The only difference between those two bills was qualified immunity.
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  Speaker 1: The issue with qualified immunity is very simple. If you
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  Speaker 1: remove qualified immunity from policing, you're gonna have less officers
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  Speaker 1: on the street. Police officers make what seventy eighty ninety
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. They have most law enforcement has
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  Speaker 1: about forty million or more encounters every single year with
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  Speaker 1: citizens under if you've removed qualified immunity. I'm telling you
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  Speaker 1: this right now because I've talked with law enforcement of
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  Speaker 1: officers all across the country. Not the chiefs, the officers,
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  Speaker 1: they will not be working these communities. I'm from Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 1: New York. I'm from Crown Heights, Brooklyn. I may not
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  Speaker 1: have always loved having a police in my neighborhood, and
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  Speaker 1: that's just the thing from a kid. I may not
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  Speaker 1: have always loved it, but when I needed them, they
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  Speaker 1: were there. And a lot of our officers today, they're black,
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  Speaker 1: they're Hispanic, they're white. So removing qualified immunity only lowers
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  Speaker 1: the number of officers in communities. What we're seeing right
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  Speaker 1: now is a movement of policing from states where they're
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  Speaker 1: not really respecting law enforcement to states where they do
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  Speaker 1: or there's not that moral support for law enforcement. I
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  Speaker 1: was in my district yesterday. I was talking with an
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  Speaker 1: officer who's from Philadelphia. He was a Philadelphia officer. He
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  Speaker 1: now is a Fort Myers officer. I asked, someone said, well,
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  Speaker 1: why did you make the move? He goes, because up
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  Speaker 1: there there was no support for me as an officer
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  Speaker 1: for what I love to do, which to serve my community.
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  Speaker 1: So I said, enough is enough. I'm a movie. He
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  Speaker 1: went to Florida. My sheriff in Florida, He's like, I
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  Speaker 1: have more applications coming from officers who are in states
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  Speaker 1: or in localities where they're not getting the moral support
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  Speaker 1: or whatever they need to continue to do their job
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  Speaker 1: day in, day out, and so they're leaving well, who
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  Speaker 1: does that hurt? That hurts hurt? Who does that really hurt? Though, Charlemagne,
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  Speaker 1: Because if you don't have officers, if you don't have
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  Speaker 1: offices on the streets or officers you know in urban areas,
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  Speaker 1: who's really left in that lurch?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what is qualified immunity.
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  Speaker 4: You have to do it having less police.
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  Speaker 1: Offices because because the economic incentive of qualified immunity means
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  Speaker 1: that your personal assets aren't going after if something goes wrong.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, you're in business, you're in business.
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  Speaker 3: Do you get.
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  Speaker 1: Involved in a project or a deal that leaves you
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  Speaker 1: massively exposed financially? You may, depending on your passion for
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  Speaker 1: that project, But then you also sit back and think, now,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, if something goes wrong, I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 1: held massively by maybe.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking about people getting violent. Yeah, hurt or killed, rushed.
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  Speaker 3: Over violates the constitutional right.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're when you violate a constitutional right, qualified
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: immunity doesn't apply to you. And that's what I'm talking about.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: It does not Angel don't do that. It does not
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: know the definition if you if you carry yourself outside
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: of the confines of your training and the protocols of
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: that department. Qualified immunity doesn't apply to you.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: It's not true.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: That is very true. That is very Truely is patently true,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: and we need to make sure we have that accurate.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: We cannot make that statement because you have a lot
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: of officers out here who do their job with honor
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: and dignity and respect for the people that they serve.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, The qualified immunity is a legal doctrine that protect
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: government government officials from civil lawsuits when they perform their
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: jobs unless they clearly violated constitutional right.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying. And what is a violation
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: of that right is when they're outside the norms of
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: their training and the protocols of that department, of that agent,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: of that agency.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: But here's the main thing, because we can actually go
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: past qualified immunity, because this is the place where you've
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: refused to answer both on Donald Trump's accountability and on
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: the law enforcement that you love so dearly. What we
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: know is that he's seeking full immunity, like the same
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: immunity he now has because of the Supreme Court, because
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: of the corruption of the Supreme Court. We have now
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: gone beyond civil presidential immunity to criminal presidential immunity. He
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: would like to give that same immunity to law enforcement.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: True or false, Well, let's let's expand that a couple
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of people are false. You can't ask or false, Angela,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: because you've got to explain the details. Don't see this
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the part.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: I don't want you to explain the details, because when
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: you don't want.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: People to hear details, angel the details of what the
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: things that matter, You've.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: Got to explain the details and then explain if you don't.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: If you don't explain the details, then you're just talking.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: You don't want to say that because you know that
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: it's not true.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: That is not true. You want a true false statement,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I want to I don't want to argue with you.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I want to explain the facts country, Angela. I don't
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: want to argue with you.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: If you ever experienced racism in this country, Congressman, yeah,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: actually I have. Okay, do you believe America is a
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: racist country?
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: No? I don't.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, I believe that that's true because you say that
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: in an offed on Fox News as a black conservative,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: I like Senator Scott agree in our two lives and
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: the lives of many Black men and women like us
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: are living proof that America is indeed no longer a
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: racist nation and by far the best place to reach
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: your fullest potential. And so here's my question. You did, however,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: vote to support the Emmet hil Anti Lynching Act along
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: with every member of the House except for three Republicans.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: So I appreciate your bipartisans bipartisanship there and what I
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: do know as well, because America is, in fact a
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: racist country was founded on such principles. Black men were
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: lynched by the Carsorol State last week. I'm sure you've
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: heard of Marcello's Williams by Now in Missouri, who was
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: convicted by a nearly all white jury, and Freddie Owens
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: in South Carolina, who was executed despite his friend recanting
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: testimony that Owens was not in fact there. This is
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: the same state, by the way, that allowed for a
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: firing squad as an execution option. Black people are about
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: seven and a half times more likely to be wrongfully
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: convicted of murder in the United States than are white folks,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: and about eighty percent more likely to be innocent than
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: others convicted of murder, according to a twenty twenty two
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: report by the National Registry of Exonerations. So please tell
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: me how America's not erasedst country.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: First thing I would say is that our past is
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a dark one. It really is. We can't walk away
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: from that. We had whole laws that were subjugating black
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: people in the south of this nation for decades after
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the Civil War. We can't walk away from that. One.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I believe that in America, we have great people in
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: this country, and we have some people, quite frankly, that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: even I can't stand. But they're the vast, vast, vast
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: minority of people in our country. Most people just want
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to live in harmony and peace. That's what they That's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what they really want. I think the important thing to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: acknowledge today is what's going to help black people going forward.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And what's going to help black people moving forward is
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: economic policy. It's actually wide open energy policy so we
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: can be energy dominant. It's yes, securing our southern border
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: because we have a situation right now where, yeah, there
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: are more than fifteen million illegal aliens in the country.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Where do they reside? Mostly in sanctuary cities like New York.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Where are they at sanctuary states like illinoisl like California.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: What's happening in those cities? Hospital systems are overrun. Why
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: are they overrun because you have people in the country
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: illegally who don't have resources, so they're going into the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: emergency room. What are they taking up? They're taking resources
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: from poor people in our country, whether they're black, whether
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: they're Hispanic, whether they're white. That's wrong. What about education?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: We have a situation where in too many inner cities
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: kids are not reading at grade level, or they're not
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: doing they don't have math skills at grade level. How
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: does that help them excel and achieve? I don't want
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to discount what Angela is saying. I don't I acknowledge
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the issue of our nation, but we always are trying
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to strive to be the more perfect union. So in
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, what are the economic policies, what are
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the national security policies, What are the border security policies
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that are gonna make our country thrive? So, whether you black, Hispanic,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: or white, you could thrive. And so I think it's so.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Would you have to say that if it wasn't a
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: racist country, whether you're black, white, or Hispanic, you could thrive. No, No,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: are we thriving is members, and I would.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Argue we're not. I would argue, we're not really thriving
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: right now. This inflation, which by the way, was brought
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to us by Kamala Harris, it has really slowed down
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: people from being able to excel by Kamala Yes, Oh, Charlemagne,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: President Charlemagne listen man. When Joe Biden wanted to do
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: his American Rescue Plan, Kamala Harris was a tie break
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and vote in the United States Senate. She broke the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: tide and started this inflation that has hurt so many
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: people in our country. Everybody listening to your show, who's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it's not true.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: You want to go outside, Okay, let's go. That's fine.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I have no I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Because because Angel.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: For every infrastructure project in your community, just highlight Joe
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Biden and Kamala Harris and the Congress that voted for
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: the American Rescue Plan, and that's what should be had.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Larry Summers wrote a op ed back in twenty twenty one.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Larry Larry Summers was a Treasury Secretary for Bill Clan.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: He was an economic advisor to a Barack Obama. He
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: said that the American Rescue Plan that Joe Biden wanted
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris was a tiebreaking vote in the United
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: States Senate would create a massive inflation that we have
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: not seen in a generation. Well, guess what, Larry Summers
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was correct? You know who also was correct? Angela? I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was because I was in the Budget committee when they
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: brought the bill, and I said in that committee it's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: gonna cause massive inflation. That's what happened. So the problem
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: we have in our economy today is that prices have
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: gone up massively, wages adjusted for inflation is down. People's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: pocketbooks are hurting. But we have a presidential election of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: forty days. So and I'm gonna ask Envy this question. Mvy,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you do how you do? You're in the housing business
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: as well. I know because I'm watching your to the show. No,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking him a question. Chill Angela. So you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and I listened to the show. I know you do
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of business in housing. Would you hire somebody
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that broke up stuff in one of your houses to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: fix the other houses? Exactly? She broke the economy. That's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: not me.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Because I'm bringing facts.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So now I'm bringing facts. You don't want to do
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it no more. Come on now, Angela, that's not right.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing fact. I thought we were going to have
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a fact based conversation. I want to have a fact
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: based conversation.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: You wanted to bring up votes, and so let's talk
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: about votes. You have a ninety six percent voting record
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: with Heritage Action, but we could talk about for those
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: who are listening. Heritage Action is a part of the
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Heritage Foundation, which is the architect of Project twenty twenty five,
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: which we can talk about more later. You voted no
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: on HR eighty four zero four, which provide federal recognition
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: and protection to interracial couples, and that actually is a
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: law that would benefit you, Congressman, given your your marriage.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: You voted no. HR six s eight on requiring the
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Bureau of Prisons to provide incarcerated women with certain pregnancy
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: related care including sexually transmitted infectious testing, contraception, appropriate housing, betting, clothing,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: access to hydration and restrooms, prenatal vitamins, and other appropriate
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: conditions of confinement, Screening and care for high risk pregnancy,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: substance use, and mental health support including postpartum depression and
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: prenatal education. The list goes on, and it would limit
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the use of solitary confinement for pregnant women. You voted
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: no twice on the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, which
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: would have restored the protections originally enshrined in the Voting
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Rights Act of nineteen sixty five, which I've heard you teut.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: You also voted no on Hr thirty two to thirty three,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: which established the Bipartisan Commission to Investigate the terrace and
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Insurrectionist attack on January sixth at the Capitol. So you
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: want to talk about voting, sure, Please explain why you
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: would vote so clearly against the interests of people who
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: look just like you and I.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: So the first two bills you talk about, I actually
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: have to go back and see it, because a lot
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: of problems with some of these bills are all of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the other things that get put into them, not just
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the things that you're talking about. Specific to the John
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Lewis Voting Rights Act, the reason why I did not
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: vote for that bill is because that bill would reinstitute
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: what's called preclearance. Right now, hold on, man, Angela, you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: don't let me talk.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Here we go, here we go, Okay, you say, yes.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, Yah okay. Preclearance right now under
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: federal law really by Supreme Court President is no longer
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the law of the land. The reason why that is
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: is because there's not been over the last thirty years
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: in elections. There's not been cases or there's not been
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: any specific cases around why you need preclearance in the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: first place, like was needed back in nineteen sixty five,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: where you did have counties that were systematically discriminating against
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: black people, so it could not prove the plaintiffs could
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: not prove at any point in the last thirty years
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: where you still need a preclearance. I live in a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: pre Clarence county. Callyer County, Florida is a pre Clarence County.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I've lived in Collyer County for twenty three years now,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: twenty three years. There's never been an issue with me
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: casting a vote in Kye County, Florida at any time
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: over the last twenty three years. And that's before I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: became an elected official. That's when I showed up down
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: there working the cracker barrel, being a waiter and just
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: figuring out how to make ends meet, and I could
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: still cast my ballot, So every other protection under the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty five is still law today.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: What my Democratic colleagues want is they want national preclearance
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: so that if any jurisdiction, whether if they were a
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: historically discriminatory jurisdiction or not, if they made a change
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in their procedure like reshifting a precinct, deciding to shrink
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: or expand precincts, that would actually have to go to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department for approval
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: before they can make those changes. Now, why is that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: not important? Today? More people are voting by mail, So
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you have a situation where local election jurisdictions are shrinking
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: precincts or resizing precincts, are putting two pricincts together because
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they don't have the volume of people going to cast
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: ballants in those precincts. You're now telling me that you
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: have to now go to the Civil Rights Division of
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the Justice Department to get approval to put two voting
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: precincts together. That's why the John Lewis Acts, And all
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: due respect to John Lewis, great man, phenomenal career, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that's why that bill of putting preclearance in nationally, even
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: in jurisdictions where there were no historical discrimination of black people,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: is not necessary legislation.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: And this is on the other side of seven hundred
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: and forty seven thousand voters being purged in North Carolina.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: This is on the other side. This preclearance provision was
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: struck in Shelby County versus Holder, which is a super
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: and has had a pass of being super discriminatory since
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: that one hundred laws have been put in place to
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: make voting rights more restrictive for people of color for
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: the last ten years. So what you're saying is.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: So Actually it's very factual. And I remember when Georgia
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: changed their voting law. It was Joe Biden who was
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: down in Georgia talking about how this was not even
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Jim Crow or whatever. I forget what he said, Jim Crow.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Or whatever Joe want to talk about Jim, but this.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Is what Joe Biden said, hold on, let's finish, let
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: me finish now. So this is what Joe Biden said
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty two, I think is what he said.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: What happened with Georgia's new voting law that I would
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: assume I'm going to assume Angeler, I don't know for sure.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen what you said that I would assume
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you would say is restrictive of black people. In Georgia.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, there was record turnout of black
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: voters in the state of Georgia. Record turnout, I'm assuming
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, because those are the trends in
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the state of Georgia, you're gonna have record turnout of
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: black voters in twenty twenty four. So you had Joe
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Biden use a terrible part of our past to try
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to move people emotionally in a negative response to what
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Georgia was doing. What we have seen in the outcome
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is that Georgia has actually had more voting voting inclusion
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of people of color and of black people in that state.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Georgia laws make voter intimidation easier.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I think the most important thing here, Byron,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: that I think we're overwhelmingly here you say, is as
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: a black man in Florida, your argument is that it's
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: easier to vote today than it was in twenty thirteen,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: when the Supreme Court eviscerated the Voting Rights Act of
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: nineteen sixty five. Which again i've heard you teut. Your
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: argument is that states don't need preclearance, that counties don't
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: need preclearance, that there's been no discriminatory impact since Shelby
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: counter versus Holder, and that's why they should get rid
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: of it. You brought up Jim Crow, and I'm glad
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: you did, because you also have had something to say
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: about Jim Crow. And I know that this is, for
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: whatever reason, has been unnecessarily tense, but I would love
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: to invite you to clarify your remarks around Jim Crow
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: so that that can you can at least get rid
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: of that part of misinformation. It's clear that you do
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: stand opposed to the Voting Rights Act, though in.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four, now we were talking, we were in Philadelphia,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: we were talking to just the rise of black families
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: again and which is actually a great thing in our country,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and really comparing that to what was happening under that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: time period, the Jim Crow era, where your marriage rates
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in the black family were very high. After that era
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: with Lyndon Johnson's Great Society, in part, that is the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: reason for the decrease in the marriage rate in black families.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And if you're going to have a strong In order
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to have strong black families, obviously you need to father
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: in the home. You're starting to see that again in America.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: That's a great thing because when fathers are at home
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: helping to raise their kids and nurture their kids, it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: puts their kids in a better position to be able
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to be successful going forward. Like my dad wasn't there
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: when I grew up. It was really hard from my mom.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: You know, my mom still lives in Brooklyn. You know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: she still lives here today. So I stand on her
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: shoulders because she did so many things for me. She
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: was mom. To quote her, she was mom and dad
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and she did it all. But were no, no, no.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: But we also got to acknowledge that your kids standing
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: on your shoulders is what propels them to be successful.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You know, like my sons are in position in part
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: because my success, my wife's success, but then also because
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you had two parents in there, living together, growing together,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: thriving together.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Black people, let's listening, you know, because I did homework
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and I like to see sometimes what black people feel
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: about congressmen, and a lot of black people who I
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: look at online and look at the comments, don't feel
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like you're for them, whether it's, uh, you don't feel
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: like this is a racist country, you.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Don't let me ask the question though, I'm sorry, was
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: the question clarified.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I was just I was just saying about Yeah, I'm sorry,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: go ahead, Angel, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: I guess what you should ask me. For those who
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: criticized those comments, what did they get wrong?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I think what they got wrong is they think that
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I was trying to say that Jim Crow was this
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: great era for black people. That's crazy. I would never
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: say that, never ever say that matter.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I took from it, not just because of the way
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: the narrative was.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: That's what I took.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And I think what happened, what the narrative happened was
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: in that room, it was all black people. A handful
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of reporters, the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote the story. The Philadelphia
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Inquirer actually wrote it accurately. What happened was is that
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: when it was the Biden campaign, the Biden campaign saw
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the story and they came out with this, uh, this
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: tweet that made it seem like I was memorializing Jim Crow.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. So then King Jeffreys, the Democratic leader, he
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: went to the floor gave a speech about it, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: before you know what, this thing is going worldwide. So
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: then I found myself in this position like wait, hold up.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: My comms guys telling me, Hey, they're trying to hit
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you on your comments in Philadelphia. I'm like, over what
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I was talking about black families and the growth of
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: black families going forward in America and that's a good thing.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: They said, No, they're saying you're memorializing Jim Crow. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: was like, man, that's awa. I was just like, why
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: can't say fuck Jim Crowdon? I mean, easy, fuck Jim Crow.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants that. Just the problem though, But what happens
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: in politics is people will see a statement and then
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: they want to emotionalize it. They want to sensationalize it
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to diminish your point of view and what you stand for,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: what you believe, Like, I believe in economic growth for everybody.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I grew up. I was in the banking That was
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: banking background is my career. So when I hear MV
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: talk sometimes about access to capital, I know exactly what
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he's talking about because current financial regulatory policy in Capitol
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Hill has only made the large banks bigger. They've mass
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: massively decreased community banking in America. Well, if you're a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: young entrepreneur, young black entrepreneur, where you're going to go
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to get capital from city, from Wells Fargo, from Chase,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: or from the community bank down the street, Well, that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: community bank is in your community. We have less community
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: banking today in the United States than we had in
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. The only difference financial regulatory policy. Now,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: if I want to bring politics into it, that policy
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was Dodd Frank which was written by Congressional Democrats. They
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: passed it unanimously by themselves, and then President Barack Obama
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: signed it into law. The impacts of that regulatory policy
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: has seen a decrease in community banking in the United States.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: That is the facts. And what that also does. It
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: helps to diminish access to capital for people who look
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like us, who don't have the credit background, they don't
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: have the family backgrounds, they don't have the historical backgrounds
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to get that capital and to rise and succeed. I
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: want to change all that. That's what I believe.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: What you say, you're saying black people don't like I
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: was going to say, don't.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: You do you feel like you get it? Honest though
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: with people not liking you because of all the other stuff.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Sometimes that you too when you stand on and I
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: just want to read this quote to make sure this
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: is what you said, because you're saying that they misquoted
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: you or they took things. So you said, during Jim Crow,
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: more black people were not just conservative because black people
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: are Black people always have always been conservative minded, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: more black people will voted conservatively.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Is that correct?
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I said, right, But like during that
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: time the parties were a lot different though.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Right, not totally. I think that that's one of the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: things I was.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Asking a question.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: I know, to.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Question I answer to trying to answer question.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: I want you to answer your question that you know
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: that I'm a person that can read, of course, Okay, so.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: During that time, you know, just trut it to me.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: I know, yeah, thank you. So during that time the
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: parties were different. So when you say something like this
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: and then people take what you say and put it
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: in a context as to where the parties were at
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: that time, you can explain to the people where the
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: parties were during Jim Crow and what the difference is
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: between now, and then you understand why people headlined it
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: and got upset the way that they did correct a
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: couple things.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the parties historically, yes, let's talk about
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party was a party of emancipation. It has
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: always been a party that for the freedom, for the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: freeing of slaves, and for civil rights. If you go
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: back to the Civil Rights Acts, and it's not just
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the sixty four Act, there were actually five other civil
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: rights acts before nineteen sixty four, massively overwhelmingly supported by
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party. It was Democrats that were holding up
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: those When the sixty four Act was going and before
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: it went into law, the Philipbuster in the United States
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Senate was led by Democrat senators of the United States Senate.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: All those Democratic senators that Philip Buster the nineteen sixty
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: four Civil Rights Act, they remained Democrat senators. They didn't
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: switch to become Republican senators. Robert Byrd was a lawyer
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: for the Klan. He was a Democrat senator. He was
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the dean of the Democrat Senate until the day he died.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: He didn't change parties. Now, I will acknowledge that Richard Nixon,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: in response, in response to just political moves of that era,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: he started going into the South to try and to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: go find the conservative Democrat votes in the South, you
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: call them Dixocrats or whatever, to find conservative Democrat voters
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in the South in order to be able to Frankly
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: win the presidential election when he was running during that era.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: He did do that. Where I'm highly critical of the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Republican Party, my colleagues will tell you, is that the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Republican Party in the sixties really didn't even try to
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: get black votes, didn't try to court black voters, didn't
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: try to talk about black issues, didn't try to engage
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: black people. And so as I come along, my politics
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: are about policy, not about personalities. I believe in policies
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that help people thrive in six seed. Where I tell
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: people today in the Republican Party is you have black
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: voters who are sitting back and saying, Okay, now, wait
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a minute. I've heard these speeches before, I've heard these
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: talking points before, but nothing in my life is really changing.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: If you're trying to go court black voters, you actually
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: have to go and engage black people. And so that's
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: why I go everywhere. I just don't do Fox News.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I think people kind of know that about me. I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: just don't do. I go everywhere a while because I'm
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: trying to share my philosophies and my thoughts. I think
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: political parties over time, they do adjust. But what's really
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: happening today is that people are moving underneath the feet
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: of the political parties. I think that's a good thing
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: for the country.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: So speaking and moving underneath the feet of the parties,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: you want to talk about policy, and so I want
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: to just play quickly what you said about reparations.
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: Were going to and get out of kid. You know
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: what I'm saying. So I don't believe Auntie.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, why do you play the rest of the clip?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I was on fire during that one.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Because Byron, I think it's important for people to get
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: your ya's and a's, just like you have to do
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: on the House floor. You have to take an up
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: or down vote on an issue. You took a down
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: vote on this and you haven't supported HR forty. So
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: if you want to talk about the complexities of reparations,
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: whether or not there should be a study in this country,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: you again have said that this country is not racist,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: and even though it's it has a dark pass, it
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: doesn't sound like you think it has a dark present.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: You have not sponsored that bill. You haven't co sponsored
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: that bill? Why not?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Well, a couple of things. One, that's why I wish
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you played the clip because I actually went to very
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: but I will, Uh, A couple of things, is all right,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: how many people in the United States today are actually
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: descendants of slave owners? Forget descendants of slaves, let's hold
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that to the side. Descendants of slave owners. You've had
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: massive immigration into the United States over the last one
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years. So now you're going to say
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that people who immigrated to the United States who are
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: not descendants of slave owners were not descendants of that trade.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Now they're going to be responsible for paying that out
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: going forward. My mother's Jamaican, my father's Panamanian. You have
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of black people in this country who are
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: not descendants of the American slave trade. So I already
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: know off top there's a lot of black people in
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: America who aren't going to be able to get that
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: kind of benefit or get reparations.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Well, most people who are for reparations, they feel like
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: you should go to what they call foundational Black Americans anyway,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: and I agree with that point.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I at that point but I'm just saying, I'm just
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: laying out these are the reasons for why I'm no.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: So while I'm do.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Support reparations for what Leonard just deemed as quote foundational
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: black Americans.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't. But I want to explain that.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I want to explain that. And so that's why you
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have a lot of people saying, Okay, well, then what
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: are we going to do? And so my view is
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: is that what you do going forward is this way.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: You have to have wholesale changes in economic, medical policy,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: et cetera, so that the ability to access various parts
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: of our economy and grow in our economy work for everybody,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: including people in our country who are quote unquote found
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: foundationally black. Now let me translate to what's happened in California.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It's Yo state. In California, there was a push.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: To have Washington state.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I heard earlier using California. So that's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: why I'm saying. So there was a bill in California
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: for reparations. The California Assembly, which is massively Democrat, they
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: didn't move that bill. They could have moved that bill.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: When they were asked why they weren't moving that bill.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: They tucked tail and turn and turned a ran away.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: They didn't even have that, They didn't even have the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: guts to actually answer that question. So I'm here with y'all.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I'm gonna know. But you have
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Democrats who will say therefore something, but when it comes
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: time to actually do it, they're not there for you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: They say, they run away, they don't answer the question,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: or and to be blunt, like the current vice president
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: not answering a lot of questions. But she did say
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: that she's for reparations after she said she wasn't, So
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: which one is?
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: No, she knows that she wasn't. That's never all right,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that's fine, But she was here. She was here.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you have it. I'm not gonna I'm
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: not gonna challenge. I'm Almo Childing.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: But I guess the question is, Congressman, you say that
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: you're not for reparations, then you go on to say
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: that there are a lot of elected officials. We know
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: that racism is a bipartisan problem, right, So on that,
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: do you know who was the father of affirmative action?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Now that's a good question. Actually I don't know.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: They answer to that one, The answer is a Republican
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: by the name of doctor Arthur Fletcher, who worked you
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: brought up Richard Nixon earlier. He worked with Richard Nixon.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: But I've noted that you are opposed to affirmative action again,
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: another policy that would democratize access to all of the
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: things that you've talked about today, including economic access for
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: black people.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: So on that what do you want black people to have?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: But I want them to have everything. I want them
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to have access to everything that this nation can do
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: when it's running right.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Why be against the legislation that provides it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Because you have a situation now where the real question
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is do you need an affirmative action today? Now? Did
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you need affirmative action? The answer to that is one
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: hundred percent yes, you absolutely needed it. The question is
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, in twenty twenty eight, in twenty
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: thirty two, do you need that now? I would argue
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the thing you need more now is you got to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: have equality in terms of the level of academic attainment
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: for young black kids. What a young black kid needs
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: more now than anything today is to be able to
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: read and write. Read at grade level, write at grade
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: level do math at grade level and frankly and beyond,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that's what they need to do. You know, I don't
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: disagree with you, but I just don't trust white supremacy
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that much.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: I feel like you need that type of legislation. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: feel like you need those guardrails in place to make
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: sure protect, to protect, yes, and to make sure those
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: type of things happen.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: You coming out of Brooklyn.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: You don't.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: You don't like that doesn't because you talked about your
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: mom a movie private school. So why now, like because
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: the kid that had to be moved out of that
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: public school to a private school because you said that
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: you were being trapped in a failing school. You know
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: that those schools, a lot of them are still failing.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: So why do you But you you think that if
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: we get these things and we put these people in
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: place that you are mentioning, that all of that would
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: just change, Like I don't. We know that it doesn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: even work that fast even if people wanted to let me.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Put it this way, Because you know, Charlomage, you brought
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: up the port about you think that you need those
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to guard against white supremacy. Well, I would argue, is
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: it white supremacy to lot kids in failing schools to
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: not give them an option to go to find the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: academic environment that sus their interests. I would argue that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: it would be white supremacy to basically move millions of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: people into our country illegally on purpose and have them
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: overwhelm our systems. Here in New York City, the system
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is overwhelmed. You know, that's just a one party problem.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Like I feel like, you know, what's been happening at
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: the border has been happening under so many different administrations.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Redlining has to Redlining is not just a.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Full stop, not like this, not like this under Donald
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Trump through about two point four million people that came
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: into the country illegally under Joe Biden, Na Kamala Harris,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that number is easily ten million, that's what they know of.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: It's probably more like fifteen million, because it's people that
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: came through the border. It's not even the same thing. Paul,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my point.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: My point.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: We talked about financial regulatory policy, access to capital. I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: would argue it actually upholds the pillars of quote unquote
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: white supremacy to not have free flowing access to capital
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: in the United States. So if you're a black person
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: trying to find a way to raise money for your business,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: it is harder for you because you just don't even
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: have as many avenues to go to. But the policies
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I advocate for the obviously the policies that conservatives advocate for.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: It's actually loosening up the ability for kids to find
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: a school of their choice, putting their parents at the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: head of the line, giving their parents the ability to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: make that purchasing decision. My mom made a purchase decision
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: for me when it was very hard for her to
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: put the resources together. She was barely making ends met
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to do that, but she loved me did that for me.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna fund publica education fund the parents'
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: ability to make that decision so they can decide where
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: their kids go. That's some of the us some of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the policy I think Charlemagne that gives all families, especially
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: black families, black mothers, black fathers, the ability to have
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: their kids go further in America than anything before.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: And I don't think that. I mean, I'm not against that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: I'm just also not against putting something in place that
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: like make sure that when that fails, because it's so
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: many people, and it will It's.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Already doing it right now, white people more. You know that.
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: It's just like, why not have something that comes in
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: and says, Okay, this kid from Brooklyn can get to
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: go to that school because that mom didn't get that money. However,
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: that kid is still smart and should be able to
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: go to that school.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: It's who I don't trust is I don't trust bureaucrats,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and I don't trust politicians coming in here saying I'm
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: gonna invest blah blah blah billions and it's gonna do this.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Then when you turn around later there was no investment,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: or the agencies or the administrators don't know what the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: hell they're doing to invest that money. Anyway. I rather
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: give people those opportunities directly. I rather give people those
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: resources directly. I rather make sure that the rules are
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: clear and understood by everybody so people can make decisions.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Nothing's perfect. I grant you that we are all in
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: perfect people, So the institutions we put up are going
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to be imperfect. There's going to be failures along the way.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: But centralizing everything in Washington is an absolute goddamn disaster.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: What do you say that. I'm sorry, Lord, I mean
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I mean to do that.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: People say that look like you, you don't support people
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: that look like you, and that you said against I
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: mean you said raist. Racism doesn't agree or doesn't it's
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: not in this country, talk about a lot of things,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: so a lot of people don't feel like that you're
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: actually for the people that you look like.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I'm for everybody, man, including the people I look like,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: not for everybody. I'm talking the people like that you
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: look like, But I'm for them too. I'm a one
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, one hundred percent. I want people to drive
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: to say, listen, listen, I came up from nothing. I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to be blunt with you. I'm not even supposed to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: be here. We talked a little bit about my past,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the things that I've done wrong, et cetera. The fact
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that I'm in this position now really is by the
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: grace of God. That's why I'm sorry God. I mean
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: made that earliest statement, but it's about a grace of God.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: So what I want is for people to thrive and succeed.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: But what I also know, when you're talking about economics,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: when you're talking about public policy, the reality is you
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: got to have it set up so people everybody can
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: thrive and succeed. In that vehicle, black people can thrive
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and succeed.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: When when you ensure that everyone succeeds, Congressman, is to
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: ensure that there's legislation in place to hold entities and
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: folks accountable for that success.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: So you've this is not essentially Angela, that's actually not true.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Actually, okay, then I just disagree with you, But this
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: is a place where I think we do agree. You've
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: cited the sixty four Civil Rights Act, we talked about
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: the sixty five Voting Rights Act. We haven't talked about
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: sixty eight Fearhousing Act. But I think that you would
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: say that all of those things were helpful to black folks,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: right of Okay, So if it is legislation to Leonard's point,
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: thank you Leonard. And so then I think we should
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: just touch briefly on Project twenty twenty five, which would
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: erode most of that progress. Right. So we've already noted
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: your overwhelming voting record with the Heritage Foundation based agenda.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five is a joint proposal of the
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Heritage Foundation in twenty five of the thirty chapters written
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: in Project twenty twenty five were written by former Trump staffers.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: At least one hundred and forty people who worked for
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump worked on Project twenty twenty five. And we
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: know that it is treacherous for the black community because
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: it seeks to dismantle firmative action. We can anti discrimination laws,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: reduce the enforcement powers of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: which by the way, Clarence Thomas used to work there,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: reduce medicaid funding, eliminate programs aimed at addressing health disparities,
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: includes measures to increase policing and incarceration, reduce funding for
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: community based alternatives, and eliminate initiatives aimed at are using
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: systemic racism in the justice system. As a black man,
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: how are you not concerned with the agenda that is
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: proposed by Project twenty twenty five.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Uh, to bet, I'm not concerned about it because nobody
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in the Trump campaign or Donald Trump himself is even
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: talking about it. To be blunt with you, Angela, none
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of us have even read it. So here's the problem, right,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: So none of us is. You're saying that the thirty
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: the twenty five of the thirty chapters that were written
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: by his former staff, and at least one hundred and
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: forty people who worked for Donald Trump haven't touched it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Are you now distancing yourself from those people? I'm happy
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: to name names, including Steven Miller, who I know you're
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: very familiar with, was a very senior official in the
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Trump administration. And I know that we're clear about the
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: fact that you guys are not naming it anymore because
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: it's kind of become the boogeyman of this campaign, right.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I think I might have to start saying a fun
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: project twenty twenty five. To be honest with you, I'm
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: really like, this is yourself.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: That's what Donald Trump has done. He's this is himself
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: every sce time, every time he's asked about it, he goes,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with it. I don't even know.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: Ronald Trump isn't here today. Byron I know I am.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Hold on, now let me because you like it. I
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: haven't read it. So this is the thing, Charlemagne, I
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: haven't just named what it does. Angela. First of all,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: with all due respect, I like to read things for
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: myself before smart. You know what I'm saying, and that's
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: it's all due respects to you, but I want to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: read everything for myself before I make a judgment. I
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: will tell you that, like the Heritage Foundation, there are
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: think tanks all through Washington. You have the Center for
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: American Progress and all these other thing tanks. They all
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: do a bunch of policy prescriptions. They all do a
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: bunch of programs and projects. I think the UN has
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: something called Project twenty thirty. That's a UN project that's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: going on right now. What I do know is that
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation or any other policy group is not setting
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: policy for Donald Trump. Donald Trump set in policy for
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Are you going to distance yourself from the Heritage Foundation
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: as well? Byron? Are you saying that that's.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Just myself Angela, I'm not a part of the Heritage Foundation.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I'm a United A United.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: States consenty six percent in alignment with what they've prescribed
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: as policy recommendations for this country, ninety six percent.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: If Kamala Harris's voting record is ninety six percent of
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the time aligned with the Center for American Progress, does
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: that mean now, that means she works at the Center
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: for American Progress.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: And that's not the analogy what you made.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: That is exactly the analogy you make it come out.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: I have a question immediately analogy and said. What I
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: said was, would you distance yourself from the Heritage Foundations?
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: Would you distance yourself from the Project twenty twenty five?
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Would you condemn Project twenty twenty five? Noting that it
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: will have some horrible impacts on the people who look
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: like you, the very folks who you said that you're
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: working over time to ensure they have access to this economy.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: This project would decimate that access and would decimate the
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: Voting Rights Act of sixty five, which you're still not supporting,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: free clearance for nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act, and
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: the Fair Housing Act, that all the things that you
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: said that you want to decrease access to.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: You got to read it, Angela, I just said it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't read it, so it's not something I'm abscribing
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: to or supporting in it. Nobody on the Trump campaign,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: to my knowledge, including President Trump, hasn't. They have not
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: read it. They're not abscribed to it. And let's be
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: very clear, because you mentioned all the people that were
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: in the Trump admin network over there we're doing some
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: of that work. There were people in the Obama admin
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: that work at think tanks. Now they're doing policy work
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: people at the Georgia. So this happens all the time.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I think the issue Hold on now, let me finish. Now.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: There are people who work in presidential administrations on Capitol Hill,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: they go to think tanks, they write up white papers
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: all the time. That does not mean that what they
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: write up actually becomes law. And so that's the point
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm making. So for for Vice President Harris's campaign to
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: be talking so much about Project twenty twenty five, which
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump isn't even a part of, has not abscribed to,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: has not said this is my plan. When you can
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: go to his website and you see the policies he
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: wants to support, when you can know it is not Angela,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you need to stop now, or you can read or
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: you can read the Republican Platform, which Donald Trump actually
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: changed at our convention this year, which is the policy
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: sets of our party and what we are ascribing to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and what we want to do as a party. I
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: think that's where voters need to go.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: Trump has there's trump distinction between Project twenty twenty five,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: the Republican Platform, and Donald Trump's campaign platform. How can
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: you distance yourself from Project I got it.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I got a different question because Trump has disavowed, but
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: he did praise the Heritage Foundition a lot for years.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Of course. I mean, yeah, we all have praised the
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation, but that doesn't mean we agree with that
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: work that Heritage did. But here's my question, what does
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris actually want to do? Because let's talk about
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: her economic plans that she's coming. I'm gonna go through
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of them. She says she wants to tax
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: unrealized games. I don't know if she really wants to
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: do that anymore because Mark Cuban, who's supporting her, went
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: on CNBC and said that it would destroy.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: The stock market.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: But already answered that because because we have a presidential
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: election in thirty eight days now, which is the thing
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that's coming forward, so we need to have this conversation.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: The she wants to do price gouging or go after
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: price gouging, Well, how are you going to do that?
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Because when you do that, what you're actually going to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: do is put downward pressure on prices in our country.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: When you do that artificially, what you create is scarcity
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: of product. So that what is that What that means
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: is you're going to have poor people in our country.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: You are going to have less access to goods and
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: services because rich people gonn get their goods and services
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: no matter what, they have the access points they're gonna
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: get them. So you're gonna have less product for poor
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: people in our country. She had a thing about she
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: wants to do twenty five thousand dollars for a new
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: home for new first time home buyers. I think that's great. Well, no,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: it's not, because what's going to happen is it's going
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to increase the cost of housing twenty five thousand dollars.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Because if you know, every first time home buyer has
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars from the government in their back pocket,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: you as the seller, you're gonna be like, oh wait
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: a minute. Every celler ate large is going to be like,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: you know what, well, then I can increase my price
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: is twenty five thousand dollars. It's going to have an
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: upward trajectory shot on housing costs in our country, which
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: is the thing we don't need in America. Those are
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: three economic policies I know to work like a hypothetical.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Why would it increase that twenty five thousand from the
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: government to purchase it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: For Let's say, let's say there's three million first time
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: home buyers in the United States of America. They all
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: have an additional twenty five thousand dollars of purchasing power.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: You do have a situation where every seller in the
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: country is going to realize, oh, shoot, is this a
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: first time home buyer? Well, I know you have an
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: additional twenty five When you provide that type of stimulus
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: into an economy, what you end up doing is you
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: increase prices and whatever that that whatever that economy is.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: She says, she wants to build three million new homes.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: How are you going to do that? Let me let
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: me explain why environmental policy built at the federal and
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: state level makes it much harder to build housing. Whether
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you believe in climate change or not, weather rising, energy efficiency,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: all of those regulations has made it more expensive to
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: build housing. If the federal government says, okay, now we're
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: going to go for three million new homes, okay, well,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: how's that going to work. Are you going to change
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the regulatory burden for building those new homes? Are you
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: not going to have a disjointed regulatory burden between federal
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: house and one built in a private sector. That's not smart.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: You can't do that. So if you're not gonna change
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: the regulation, you're just gonna pump more money into the system.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: What you're gonna do is you're gonna push up the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: costs for the materials to build housing, which is gonna
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: make it more expensive, not less expensive. And so if
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: you take advantage of the home that kamil for you,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: great for you, But for the entire economy ritt large,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be good because the cost of housing
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: is gonna go up on everybody that doesn't help you.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: So that said, you disagree with the stimulus check student
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: at the time when stimulus checks were going through under
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, the only reason I agreed with them is
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: because the entire economy was shut down. So when you
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: shut down the entire economy and nobody has an ability
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: to go and earn money, then yeah, you got to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: step in the gap and do that. The only difference
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: was the last one we did, which is that's the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: article I gave you on the American Rescue Plan. Even
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Larry Summer said the amount of stimulus they were gonna
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: put in was five times the amount of decreased economic
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: input we were having in the country because of the
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen medical protocols that lockdown communities in lockdown states.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: So that's what created your inflation, which has crippled purchasing
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: power for everybody in our country. Man, go fix a car.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Forget we talk about food so much, or we talk
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: about housing so much, and of course that's important. Go
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: fix your car. I just got the bill from my
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: son's car. That thing got me, and I can and
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I can make it work. What about people who aren't
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: in my position, or frankly, who were in my position
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: when I was thirty and not forty five, because thirty
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: year old me couldn't live under this price regime that
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: has been brought to us by Kamala Harrison, Joe Biden.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Hold On, and about that, we're going to rap in
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: a second. But I want to ask you a couple
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: questions about the party. Really, one question, why do people
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: think the economy does better under Republicans when the data
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: showed otherwise.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: And this is a question I've been.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Asking the different people that are have economy backgrounds, like
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: why do people think the economy does better under Republicans,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: but the data showed since World War Two the economy
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: has performed better under democratic presidents.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I would actually make one adjustment to that statement.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I think the economy typically performs better when you have
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: split government because what ends up happening is you don't
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: have one party just pushing all economic policy. It kind
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: of stagnates out economic policy. And what businesses want more
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: than anything is consistency and policy. Like you know, a
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: business owner is you know, like like any athlete, as
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: long as you're not changing the landscape of the field.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Once I know what the rules are, I can go
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: operate and be effective.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: So what do you think you think democratic president and everything?
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: What do you think? What do you what do you say?
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: Support to business owners.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Saying when you say split government, what do you mean?
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I'm saying historically our economy has performed best under split government.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that typically it's a Republican president and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Democrats that does better under democratic president. No, no, No, What
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is that historically, over time is when you
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: have split government. But I think the reason why to
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: your original point about why do people feel that way,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: is because when Donald Trump was president versus when Joe
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Biden president. That's what people are looking at right now.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, wages adjusted for inflation were up, costs were stabilized,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and so those two inputs in an economy make you
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: feel like you have more money in your pocket. When
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump came into office, under them President Obama, our
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: economy was somewhat stagnant. We were growing at about one one
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and a half percent per year. And so his changes
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: in economic and tax policy in particular, but then also
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: regulatory policy, where he cut up a ton of regulations,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: our economic growth moved from one one and a half
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: to three three and a half. That's a real boost
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: of people, and they see it and they remember it.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Now you have the Biden Harris economy, well we've stagnated
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: again and inflation is massively up. So how people feel is,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: wait a minute. I just went to the grocery store.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I bought bread, I bought cookies, I brought milk. It's
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: way more expensive. I got a raise, but it doesn't
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm still getting ahead. My rent's more expensive,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: fixing my car is moreen and all those things are
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: obviously ascribed to the current administration. Because the inflation started
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: really in September twenty twenty one, after the American Rescue
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Plan that was Joe Biden's plan came into law. So
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: people are feeling that, Charlotta Mane, and I think that's why,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: you know, in the backdrop of politics, I talked a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: little bit about people moving under the feet of the parties.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons why black men in particular are
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: starting to look at Donald Trump because they're like, you
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: know what, at least my pockets were good when he
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: was president. The other stuff, that's other stuff. I was
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: making more money and my money was going further.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: But I think they feel like that because the stimulus
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: checks in the PvP loans. But you you got to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: look at what had to happen in order for that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: money to go out, Like you had to have a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: freaking pandemic with millions of people died.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: But no, no, that's not going to happen. But but oh no,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want it to happen either. But I want
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: to be clear on this. Wages adjusted for inflation before
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic was at the highest level for
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, White Americans in the history of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: the country. The wage gap, which gets talked about so
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: much in our politics. The wage gap was actually decreasing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: under Donald Trump's presidency. And then the COVID nineteen pandemic hit,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: and then COVID was just such a disaster for everybody.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: And now we have a situation where we have massive
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: inflation in the country. Inflation today is like a little
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: over three percent year over year, but when you take
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: in the totality of these price increases, prices are up
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: well over twenty percent in our country the last four years.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: That's real life stuff everybody's dealing with. And I think
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: that's why Donald Trump is being more successful in some
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: parts of the electorate than he has in the past.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: I got real quick, just Jdvance, where are you at? Like,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: how do you feel about where he is now and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: where he's taking the party too?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Because you was you was in the running for VP
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: at one point.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: I know you say that day when he announced it
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: wasn't you no, no.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, It was good. You know. I told
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: President Trump. I was like, man, whatever you do is
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: whatever you do that conversation. But JD, I think JD's
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: hit his stride. I'm here, actually, I'm in New York
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be at the debate tomorrow night, and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a really important debate
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: for the country to start hearing about all these different
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: policies in deptail. The way Angela and I are going
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: back through policy, I think that's important. And I think
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: JD's doing good. You know again, victory is what Matt
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: He's not doing that.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: He's actually terrible.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: He's actually he's actually done so much more damage that
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: did I take it? He should have made Nikki Heley.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: In his stride.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: He's terrible.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: The cat lady thing. I mean, I don't agree with that, man,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I don't agree. I don't agree with what.
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  Speaker 3: Came from him too.
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree with that either. I just don't.
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  Speaker 5: What do you mean, what do do you agree with?
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  Speaker 1: Because what JD is doing is that he's basically doing
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  Speaker 1: the thing that Tim Wallas and Kamala Harris are not doing.
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  Speaker 1: He's engaging media every single day, he's engaging it all
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  Speaker 1: over the country and especially in this twenty four hour
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  Speaker 1: news cycle. We have so many outlets for information like
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  Speaker 1: this one here, which, by the way, man, thank y'all
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  Speaker 1: for letting me come here. I really appreciate it. But
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  Speaker 1: when you have all these outlets, it's important to fill
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  Speaker 1: that gap. And if we're gonna I.
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  Speaker 3: Agree with that, but.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want you on the microphone just saying anything
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  Speaker 4: making me look bad. That means you can make all
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: the appearances you want. But if you just making me,
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  Speaker 4: making making us look bad every time you talk, it's
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  Speaker 4: like standing down JD doing good man.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to ask you about thes you look
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  Speaker 3: at the third question.
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  Speaker 4: You are getting a lot of smoke right now from
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: the Office of Congressional Ethics because it says you failed
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  Speaker 4: to probably disclose two years worth of you and your
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  Speaker 4: wife's stop trades. Why didn't you disclose that information?
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  Speaker 1: Actually a great question. I'm glad you brought this up.
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  Speaker 1: So a couple of things. One, we actually self reported
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  Speaker 1: to the Ethics Committee on this, So we self reported saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't file this paperwork, and I got to take
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  Speaker 1: that that was me. I didn't file. I didn't file
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  Speaker 1: it like I should have. We went back and we
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: were making those adjustments. That report is actually going to
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  Speaker 1: get refiled. I used to be in investments. That was
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  Speaker 1: my last stop in my career, so I'm securities licensed.
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  Speaker 1: Also the periodic transaction reports that this report speaks to.
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  Speaker 1: My firm does all the trading on my behalf. I
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  Speaker 1: actually gave them trading authority for my accounts, so I
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  Speaker 1: do not trade. I do not initiate trades. My firm
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  Speaker 1: makes them on my behalf. So my team is working
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  Speaker 1: with my firm. We have all that data. We're actually
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  Speaker 1: going to make an amendment to that filing. We're gonna
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: push it forward. And I don't want to speak any
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  Speaker 1: more of that because that's what ethics, but that's where
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: we are right now. I got to take ownership of that.
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  Speaker 1: But we're gonna fix it.
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  Speaker 4: We're going because in the past you spoke out in
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  Speaker 4: support of banning lawmakers.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I don't think lawmakers should make
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  Speaker 1: trades directly. And the way this works is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as a as a financial advisor, Charla Mane, if you
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  Speaker 1: are my client, you can either initiate the trade by
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: calling me or I can call you and say, Charlet Manne,
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  Speaker 1: I think you should do. This is a good move
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  Speaker 1: as long as the investment advisor is bringing the information
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  Speaker 1: and pressing the trade, I think there's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 1: What we What should never be allowed is the member
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  Speaker 1: of Congress in this example, calling the investment advisor and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: trade this trade that I think that is totally wrong
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  Speaker 1: and out of bounds. We have information that the public
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have. I do not initiate trade.
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  Speaker 3: What differences the show and who initiates it?
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  Speaker 6: Because if your advisor calls you and says I think
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  Speaker 6: you should do this, are you not feeding back opinion
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  Speaker 6: and saying, well, based on what I know, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that's a good idea.
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  Speaker 3: We should do more.
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  Speaker 6: It's the same thing who starts to come as far.
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  Speaker 4: As right because you did have stock and companies that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: you oversaw with het, Yeah, and my company makes those trades.
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  Speaker 4: And if you actually go into the note to my
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  Speaker 4: of my firm, my management team that runs my stock portfolio,
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  Speaker 4: there's no record of.
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  Speaker 1: Us even having that conversation. So, as an investment advisor,
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  Speaker 1: every time I was on the phone with the client,
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  Speaker 1: I had to take a note of that conversation. And
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  Speaker 1: so the reason why I have less concern about the
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  Speaker 1: advisor making the call to a client, specifically a member
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  Speaker 1: of Congress, is because that's the advisor bringing information to
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  Speaker 1: that that member of Congress, not the other right around.
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  Speaker 1: If they're up to me just being pure about it,
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  Speaker 1: the member of Congress shouldn't even be on a call
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  Speaker 1: at all. That's how I run my business. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: on the phone with my firm. They make their trades
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  Speaker 1: regardless of whatever I say with the regardless of whatever
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  Speaker 1: I think, because the trades that are made are actually
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  Speaker 1: in lockstep with every other client we have, or I
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  Speaker 1: say they have. When I was with the firman was
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: we they have under that product line. And I think
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: that's how it should be.
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  Speaker 6: Why even though get into stock at all, it's like,
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  Speaker 6: you know what I mean, if that is if that
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  Speaker 6: could be a controversy into the trading, Like why even
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  Speaker 6: do that at all?
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  Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, No, because at
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're still an American. Like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let me put this way. Should I have
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  Speaker 1: to sell all my assets to be a member of Congress?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's right either. I just don't think
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: that's right. You're an American still even though you're a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: member of Congress. I think where all the angs comes
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: in is that you have had some members the most
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: notable is Nancy Pelosi, but there's other members, and it's
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: been on both sides of the aisle, So I'm not
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: just going to just throw Nancy out there. But Nancy's
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  Speaker 1: the most egregious where her husband is making all the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: trades like you got whole people on Twitter on X
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: excuse me who are literally following Paul Pelosi's trades. That's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: not right, Angela.
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  Speaker 3: You said you had a last question.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, will you vote to certify the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 5: election results even if they don't go in your favor?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing, and this is a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: great question. I'm glad you or I don't know if
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: we're but it's cool. I'm glad that you asked that. One.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest thing I want to see is that states
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  Speaker 1: and local localities follow election procedure. As long as they
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  Speaker 1: do that, I'll certify, no problem.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know there are a number of states
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: where that's in contest right now. In fact, in Georgia,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: where you talked about things being more democratized, they are
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: actually making it tougher to certify election results on the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: state level.
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  Speaker 1: How honestly, Angela, masking your expertise I don't know how.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a whole commission that just voted to make
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: it more difficult. They even talked about counting ballots by hand,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: which would delay the certifying of the election results.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, if they count them by hand to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: ensure results, you know, I think that's overall, I think
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I think the other thing is
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  Speaker 1: we do need some states who are going to improve
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  Speaker 1: the way they go through their ballot procedure. Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring up California again, but.
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  Speaker 5: In California, maybe Florida.
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  Speaker 1: No, because in Florida, you know our results by eleven
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  Speaker 1: PM that night.
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  Speaker 5: In California, a number of irregularities voting processes.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: You sit in California, you have a situation where it
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: takes them three four days to say what the results
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: are of an election. That's crazy. That was like watching
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: a football game. I was like watching the Ravens Bills
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: game last night and not knowing what the score was
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: until two days later on Sports Center. That don't make
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: any sense. We could do that.
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  Speaker 5: Well. Yeah, and the reason why I'm asking this question
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: is because you voted to overturn the twenty twenty election results.
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  Speaker 5: Right in the heart of the insurrection, the same day
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: of the insurrection.
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  Speaker 1: Impact, Yeah, I did. And that was the reason why
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: is because I believe the two states were Arizona and Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: I think were that day. In Pennsylvania, the state Supreme
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Court ruled they were going to allow ballots three days
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  Speaker 1: after the polls closed. Well, that's actually in violation of
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: state law because state law in Pennsylvania Code says that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: only time that ballots are allowed to actually be accepted
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: is when the polls closed. Anything after that, this is
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania law. Anything after that, you're not allowed to accept
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: those ballots. The Supreme Court in Pennsylvania changed that. They
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: only changed that because of COVID nineteen. I disagreed with
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: that because of what I felt that that did is
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: it expanded the voting pot to to other issues that
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: should not have been allowed. So that's why.
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  Speaker 5: And right, And you do know a number of issues
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: that have been raised by the Republican Party are around
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: voter fraud. You know how many voter fraud cases there
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: were in Pennsylvania in twenty twenty around the twenty twenty election.
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  Speaker 1: No, all I'm talking to is about the fact that
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: they did not follow election procedure in the state of Pennsylvania,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: and so by not following.
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  Speaker 5: Record, some of what was raised is voter fraud cases.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: So your issue is not voter fraud.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Listen, I have an issue whether it's fraud or not
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: following the rules to the game, and so I think
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: both are just as egregious. If you changed if you
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: change the rules upon election procedure in the fourth quarter
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: of an election, that's not good for either side competing
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: in that election. And let me expound on this. You
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: know I played basketball growing up, right, If you know,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: if if a ref decided that you know, for the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: first three quarters, we you know, we're gonna call traveling
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: tick tack, and fourth quarter we just gonna let it go.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: That's not right for the fluidity of that game. You
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: got to be consistent. And so I look at it
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: the same way I look at elections. Just be consistent.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Whatever the rules are. The rules are, it's the responsibility
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: of citizens and local officials to fall under that and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: make sure in the issue of voting that everybody can
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: make sure they're vote is counted.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: We're gonna get out of after this. Do you speaking
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: of fluidy, do you leave Mark Robinsons just stepped down
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: thirty seconds or less.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm gonna leave that in Mark's hands. And no, seriously.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: The reason why, No, seriously, The reason why is because
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I've seen so many situations where the early reporting looks
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: terrible then you find out after the fact that it's
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: either a shade of what's being reported or not true
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: at all. So anybody making the decision to run, that's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: in the hands of that man and his team and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: his family. And I'm serious about that. Let me tell
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: you them, I'm serious about it.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: I that's the one thing, one thing I do wanted,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: the thing that respected our Republicans is that.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: They that's how we feel about That's how we feel
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: about that. Mcruts man. That's because that's because Eric came
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: at them. I don't go about that. I'm leave that long.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened in the Eric situation. They
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: were riding with Joe Biden until he realized that, you know,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: he wasn't with us, and the second they realized he
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: wasn't with us. Let's be real about this, Joe Biden
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: was the nominee. If that debate in Atlanta two weeks
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: ago didn't happen two months ago. Didn't happen, we'd be
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: talking about Donald Trump Joe Biden. The only reason that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: they got rid of Joe Biden is because his poll
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: numbers were creating it, not just for him, for Senate Democrat, Republican,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: for Senate Democrats, and for and for House Democrats. And
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: when they looked at their numbers dropping, then that's when
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: they were like, man, showed the old dude the door.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: We got to move on.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: I'm glad they made the right decision and with somebody
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: in the Republican Party would do the same, because y'all
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: can do much better than Donald J.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Trump. Now we're gonna be good man. We're gonna make
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: America great again.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: A right, lord, Congressman Byron Donalds, appreciate you for joining.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Appreciate See there you go, wake that up in the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: morning breakfast club.