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Hey, everybody. This episode was recorded on Tuesday, August twenty two,
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twenty twenty three. By the time you hear this, somethings may have changed,
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but we hope you enjoy the show. All right, everybody, Welcome
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to Opposition Territory here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running
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weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, that's right over ten years strong.
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We had a great discussion coming your way as it pertains to the Indianapolis
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Colts. The Colts heading to Philadelphia. Actually they're they're already right now practicing
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with the Philadelphia Eagles. We've been getting a lot of reports about what's been
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going on within camp. It's an interesting team in terms of what's going to
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happen with the future of the Colts. And we've got a great discussion coming
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your way. We've got a great guest, so let's get to it.
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It is great to have back on the podcast, coming to us from Believe
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in Colts and also Cults Law with Lawrence Owen. We have the one and
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only Lawrence Owen. Buddy, it is great to have you back on the
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Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show here. Thanks so much for taking the time.
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Man Hey, I appreciate you sending out the offer, man. I appreciate
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that anytime I get a chance to come on and talk with you guys as
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a blessing to me. So thanks. You've got it, man. I
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everything they're doing over there, and it's amazing. When I initially asked you
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to come on, it actually wasn't Lawrence because the Eagles and the Colts were
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practicing together. Honestly, I forgot that they were actually practicing together this week.
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Coincidentally my reaching out to you, it just happened. It just happened
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to be that, Oh my gosh, these two teams that we follow and
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that we podcast about, that we discuss on a consistent basis, happened to
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be practicing with each other. And there's a lot of storylines that are going
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on with this Colts team. So again, it is great to talk to
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you. So I'd love to just like start getting into what the feeling is
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with regard to this Colts team, you know, within Colts Nation, because
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you know, last year was a transition season for the Colts, especially at
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the quarterback position. You know, you had Matt Ryan under center, Nick
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Foles, Sam Ellinger was under center. You know, no real consistency at
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the quarterback position during the two thousand twenty two season. Fast forward to this
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season, the NFL Draft, and hopes are high for what Anthony Richardson is
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going to be able to do for this team in this offense in the future.
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So I'm wondering, as we take a look at last year, take
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a look at where things are right now in the preseason with the Colts,
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what's that comparison from last last year, last season to this season in terms
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of just the direction that the team is heading, specifically at the quarterback position,
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and and how Colts Nation is thinking about this. Well, I want
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to correct you real quick. Existency quarterback position has been Ill and Nunn since
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twenty eighteen. All right, thank you, thank you a huge deal to
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all Colts fans. We're like, oh my gosh, are we the next
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Cleveland Browns or New York Jets. Uh so uh. With the with picking
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Anthony Richardson at number four overall in the draft, there some hope, you
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know, some hope on the horizon for Colts fans out there thinking well,
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maybe, just maybe we're out of this stupid carousel that we've been in for
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the last you know, five six years. Right now, there was expectations
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going into this year that you know, Anthony Richardson was forgive me for air
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quoting raw right, Yeah, it wouldn't need a season or two to get
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his NFL feet under him and stuff of that nature. But as you know,
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practices and training camp has kind of came through, and I've been there,
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I've been on the sidelines watching Anthony Richardson is a lot more than what
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we saw last year for the Florida Gators, a lot more. He has
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improved leaps and bounds over what we saw on tape. So the expectation right
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now for fans not only is it, oh my gosh, we have our
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guy for the long term, but it could look better this upcoming season than
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what was expected because of how quickly Anthony Richardson is learning, uh, the
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speed of the NFL, how to how to make you know, drop backs
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and throws and process defenses before the snap, get through his progressions, things
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of that nature to go along with the god given you know, physical traits
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that he has that could scare any NFL team if they have to go,
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yeah, go up against him. Right. Absolutely, we're gonna get I
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think we're gonna be talking about Anthony Richards Richardson a little bit later with regard
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to the Jonathan Taylor situation and what this means for his development at the quarterback
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position as well, because I think there's a correlation with that. We're gonna
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get to that a little bit later. But as we're moving along here,
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Lawrence, excuse me, you know that there are some starting jobs I know
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that are still up for grabs on the Colts offense. You know, after
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wide receiver Ashton Dooland you know, suffered a ACL tear, you know,
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the Colts wide receiver depth became a bit more volatile, I think, I
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think would be maybe a correct word to use perhaps so. And the tight
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end position as well. I think it's going to be very interesting to follow
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for the remainder of you know, of this camp or a preseason. I
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should say, it's going to be interesting to see how this develops over the
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next week or two. I'm wondering what position on offense are you still looking
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at? And maybe Colts Nation is still looking at, you know, thinking
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that it's a position that's still up for grabs and why what's that position for
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you? Well, and I think he kind of hit on the wide receiver
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position with Ashton going down. Yeah, he wasn't just going to be the
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fourth wide receiver on the Colt's roster. He's an All Pro special teamer.
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Yeah, he is a great blocker in the run. You know, his
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numbers on the field don't speak to what he has provided the Indianapolis Colts over
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the years that he has been here. So right now we have four guys
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that is unquestionably going to make the roster at wide receiver. We got Michael
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Pittman, Junior Alec Pierce, Isaiah Mackenzie, and our third round draft pick
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Josh Downs. After that, it's up in the air. That's what these
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the training camp and preseason games have been about. You know, in the
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first place was to find out who was going to be maybe the sixth guy.
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Now we need to know are we going to be keeping six receivers?
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And if we do, who's going to be number five and number six?
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You know, we got some guys that have really stepped up during preseason games,
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Guys free agent pickups like James Washington had an absolutely gorgeous one handed,
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like forty yard one handed snag down the sideline this past Saturday against the Bears,
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which shocked me considering, Yeah, I knew he had speed, but
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dude was known for dropping balls at Pittsburgh, you know, So I mean
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when he ends up with this one hand and grab, I'm like, whoa
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you just you know, you just really put a feather in your cat for
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possibly making making this team. Uh jawand Winfrey h an undrafted free agent,
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really showed up for Shad Perryman's done some nice stuff and then of course uh.
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Back in twenty twenty one, the Colts drafted a guy Mike Strawn in
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the seventh round. He's a really big, tall receiver who just never really
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played into his size, and this past training camp and preseason he's been showing
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that he can play into his size. So he's really fighting for that fifth
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or sixth spot at the wide receiver position as well. It's really interesting to
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hear about some of the uh, the ongoing you know scuffles during Eagles training
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you know in Philadelphia, you know, at the Eagles training camp facility,
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and what's been happening with the Colts as well. I thought it was interesting.
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I don't know if you were following some of the storylines on Twitter,
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Lawrence, but a little chippy between the Eagles and the Colts here. You
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know, I think the Colts really want to show folks that, you know
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what, we aren't really this like lost step child here at this point.
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You know, we're not going to be a bottom feeder team in the NFL
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here this twenty twenty three season. And it came into Philadelphia against the team
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that you know that did go to the Super Bowl. Yes they did loss
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to lose that it was heartbreaking for many of us. But the Colts come
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in, they get a little chippy, and because I think they really want
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to show folks that, you know what, we're not We're not gonna be
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this, you know, we're not going to be the ugly step child here
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the NFL this season. And I think that is should be nice for Colts
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fans, you know what I mean that they're not just gonna lay down this
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season here. Well, a little bit of the chippiness might be have to
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do with the fact that the Indianapolis Colts and the Philadelphia Eagles have a lot
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of connections between the two teams. I mean, uh, not just you
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know so uh and and it's it's gone back for years, right, for
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years, We've had a lot of connections. And so the Colts during practices,
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they like to run high energy under Shane Stekeen, high energy short practices,
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an hour hour fifteen minute practices, and they run a lot of high
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energy, high impact. Uh. They practice like they want to play right,
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and a lot of teams don't like that because you know, that's how
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injuries happen, right, And Uh, there's been multiple times where our defense,
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especially a young corner that got drafted this year, is out there popping
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guys like he's you know, trying to make a big you know, play
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out there on the field during a week seven team trying to make a playoffs,
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right, and it's just kind of following through during these joint practices.
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Yeah, so I gotta feel like I can't read too deep into this.
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It's just guys who know each other very well. And are you got a
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bunch of guys. They're getting ready to go into the final preseason game of
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the year. They're trying to make the fifty three man roster. They're trying
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to make a name for themselves. Show out, because if you don't show
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out and you're on the bubble, you're not making the team. Exactly,
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you're going to expect these things, yep. Absolutely, And for our Philadelphia
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Sports Table listeners and crew, my wife and I are going to be down
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at the game this Thursday evening, so come down and you know, if
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you're happen to see us in the parking lot doing a little tailgate and stuff,
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I say hi, and uh. You know, as we're moving along
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here, Lawrence, you know, a lot of attention has really been focused
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on the Colts offense, and rightfully so, but I feel like we haven't
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been hearing too many storylines, at least here, you know, in the
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Philadelphia area, too too many storylines about the Colts defense during the course of
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this preseason. And I'm actually really looking forward objectively when I'm looking at what
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the Colts team is in an objective fashion. I'm really looking forward to seeing
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what Quitty Pay does this season to build upon his productivity from last season as
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he's entering that, you know, critical third year of his contract, and
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I know he missed some time last year. I think he might have missed
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six games or so last year. I could be mistaken about that, but
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I'm just wondering, like, what aspect of this defense do you think is
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really getting overlooked this preseason that folks really aren't really aren't honing in on too
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much. I think there's a couple of them. Actually, One you talk
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about Quitty Pay the past rush of the Indianapolis Colts last year. Quietly,
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they were a top ten sack team. Yeah, they were a top five
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sack team going into like Week thirteen or so, you know, and then
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some injuries happened and and other things that was going on. But I mean,
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they're not the Philadelphia Eagles defensive line. Don't get me wrong, but
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there's there's a lot of a lot of good across that intensive line, especially
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the starters and the depth. Right we had. We didn't have any superstars,
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no one that had ten or more sacks, but we had four guys
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with at least six and a half sacks across that d line, and I
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think we had uh six guys with at least five, right, So that's
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that adds up quickly. That that shows that you know, there is a
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lot of depth across that defensive line and that defensive front seven. Uh.
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I think that gets overlooked quite a bit. But to me, the linebacking
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corps, especially Shaquille Leonard, I think this is getting overlooked immensely. Of
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Shaquille Leonard. Yeah, huge. Last year the Colts were one of the
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worst teams in the NFL at creating turnovers. During his first few years in
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the league, when he was healthy and playing, the Colts were a top
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two team in the NFL at creating turnovers. Shaquille Leonard, you know,
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by himself like two years ago, had four interceptions and nine forced fumbles.
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Right, this guy every year creates turnovers and because of what he's able to
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do on the field by himself, if he doesn't get the turnover, he
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helps other guys get in positions to do so. So if we could be
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a top ten SAC team plus has Shaquille Leonard and be on the field and
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help with that, you know, turnover ratio, that could spell a huge
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benefit to this defense heading into the season. I think it's a great storyline
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for us to follow for sure. And moving along, Lawrence, you know,
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I wanted to get your thoughts on what we're actually going to be seeing
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from the safety and cornerback group this year. This defensive backfield for the Colts.
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I mean, it's a very young secondary as they're heading into this season.
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So I'm wondering, like, how do you see the defensive backfield really
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taking some steps forward this season? Do you think it's going to be a
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challenge or do you think we may end up seeing some good stuff like we're
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talking about with the linebacker position, defensive line and in the consistency that we're
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likely to see there. What are your thoughts about this secondary in the defensive
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backfield, Well, youth is an understatement. There's only one guy that's been
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here longer than one year, exactly, like in the NFL periods exactly,
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and of course that's Kenny Moore, yes, but everybody else, all the
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starters are either rookies or second year players yep, right, and then the
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death they're all rookies or second year players. You know, Juju Brandt,
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Jalen Jones, Darius Rush, Dallas Flowers, all these guys so so young,
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Darryl Darryl Baker Jr. Who has really showed out, maybe making giving
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Dallas Flowers a little push for his money at the starting cornerback position. What
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I'm looking, what I'm seeing through training camp is inexperienced does not mean consistently
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bad play. These guys are out here making plays, doing a decent job.
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Do they have inexperienced rookie mistakes things of that nature, Absolutely happens,
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right, But they're they're showing that they are professionals and they're they're playing overall
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very good football. And it's surprising and to me, what I'm expecting as
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the season progresses is what you would expect from any young player, especially rookies.
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Not the greatest play at the beginning of the season, but growth game
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in, game out, and I would not be surprised at this. Secondary
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really turns some heads by week eight, week nine, week ten as being
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a really good team, but it could also flip to the other side as
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well. So that's a great storyline to keep an eye on. Absolutely a
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great storyline. I think sometimes secondaries don't get their due. I mean,
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they certainly do in Philadelphia when you have Darius Slay James Bradberry's extremely prolific cornerbacks.
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Yeah, I talk a lot in death about the Eagles secondary with Rodney
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McLeod. Right. Absolutely, yep, here's your old co host. Yep.
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Absolutely Again, folks are talking to Lawrence Owen from Colts Law on YouTube.
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Check out what he is doing over there. Fantastic content as always.
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him out. I listen on Apple Podcasts and you should as well on whatever
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podcast platform that you are on. And as we're moving forward here, Lawrence,
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you know, we gotta get into the situation with Jonathan Taylor, of
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course before we get to what's called our standout and stepped on segment. I
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really want to just try to understand how an owner can act in the manner
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in the way that Jim Ersay has so like. I just think it's,
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of course, the biggest storyline right now, just how Jim Ersay has been
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communicating very publicly as it pertains to Jonathan Taylor, and in fact, today
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as we're recording this here on Tuesday, August twenty second, allowing Jonathan Taylor
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to seek a trade. So as an Eagles fan, I have to say,
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like it's weird because I cannot imagine the Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurry communicating this
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way. How Jim Ersay has, you know, with regard to his team,
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and just kind of I don't know, Yes, he's the he's the
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owner, but he's just kind of sticking his nose I think where it may
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not necessarily belong from a good business perspect I mean again, I can't imagine
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Jeffrey Larry doing this with like DeAndre Swift or Kenneth Gainwell. And now it
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seems as though Jonathan Taylor probably not going to be on this team for too
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too much longer an incredible, incredible running back talent in this league. I
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just kind of wonder, you know, what the endgame is here, you
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know, for Jim Ersey, you know, when it's all said and done.
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And I wonder how this relates then to Anthony Richardson in terms of the
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offense now really square on his shoulders and shouldering that burden his rookie year of
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really having to just direct this offense. I don't know what are your thoughts
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about this entire situation that has been a soap opera here and where we'rever right
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now with it. I'm going to explain, Okay, So I believe the
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perception is misconscrewed by national media. Okay, I got you, and I'm
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gonna explain a few things. First, all, Jim Ersey is the longest
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ten ye owner in the NFL, and because of that status, anytime a
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situation comes up where the owners are talking to each other, whether it's an
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owner's meetings or phone calls or zoom meetings or something of that nature, usually
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the longest tenured owner is the one that speaks out to media and the public
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about whatever the owners have discussed. So that tweet a while back with the
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CBA and the players Association and the running back situation, he was speaking for
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all the owners got collectively right. So that's not a situation where I think,
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you know, he was specifically pertaining to Jonathan Taylor in and of itself.
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Now, when he does talk, yes, sometimes what he says the
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smile on your food or people look at it and go dude, come on,
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and and and I understand where where a lot of people feel that way.
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But we also got to go back and look at what the the GM
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discussed, right, you know, and and also what Jim Mercy, Jim
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Mercy what just a few weeks ago said, you know, we're not trading
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Jonathan Taylor, not now, not in October exactly. Chris Ballard has been
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on record stating I haven't offered him a contract yet because he's hurt. I
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got to be able to see what he could do. I have no problems
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offering a contract midseason, right right. And Jonathan Taylor, from what I
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understand, is running around asking for sixteen million dollars a year. Okay,
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Now, we all got to remember he's still on the pup list, which
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means he can't do workouts for teams. And it's not a good look.
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It's really not no, I mean, so, yes, the Indianapolis culture
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like, sure, go out there and you know, seek a trade,
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talk to other teams, see what your market value is? Right now?
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Yeah, and you can't work out for a team and show them that you're
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still the same guy from twenty twenty one, right, right, Let's see
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what kind of offers you get, right. I think they fully expect him
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to come back after he realizes that if you can't work out for a team,
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whether that's the Indianapolis Colts or any other team in the NFL, you're
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not going to get sixteen million dollars right right. And I think that's also
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why the Colts set the trade bar so high, so they're like, well,
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you know, we're not gonna give him up for a fourth you know.
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I mean, I think saying a first round pick or equivalent thereof is
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the same thing as saying we're not trading you now, and we're not trading
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you in October. Right. I think this is all about just allowing Jonathan
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Taylor to go out there and see what the Indianapolis Colts front office has been
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trying to tell him throughout this entire process. I think I think that's extremely
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interesting in terms of that context too, And what it really comes down to
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also is allowing a player to really truly find out what their worth is.
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And that's what you're saying here. Find out what you're worth is there on
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the market, and the Cold seem very very convinced that, like you said,
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that, you know what's not gonna get what he wants, not gonna
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even probably be anywhere near it based on the current situation. It's a it's
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it's gonna be an interesting storyline to follow, for sure. And I know
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that absolutely. Yeah, I know I tease the stand out and stepped on
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segment just a few minutes ago here, So let's get to it, Lawrence.
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Here, stand out stepped on segments. So I've been doing this with
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some of our opposition territory guests over the course of these past few weeks.
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So if you can give me two players that you think are going to be
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a standout this coming season on the Colt's roster, who would those two players
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be? Well, first and foremost, I think when you have a rookie
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quarterback, you kind of got to look at someone on the offense as going
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to be a standout. Now, I could take the easy route and say
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Anthony Richardson, but I'm not going to do that. Uh, that's that's
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that's kind of just throwing in the towel, not even really trying to dive
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into anything because that's an obvious answer. I'm gonna say Alec Pierce, the
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wide receiver, a guy who Anthony Richardson has not shown, uh any any
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kind of shyness at going to him on deep balls. And we all know
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Anthony Richardson throws such a pretty deep ball, right, and every time he
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does go deep, it seems like he's going to Alec Pierce, a guy
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who has worked out very difficult, very hard this past off season in his
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second season to improve his route running and his ability to get open to go
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along with his size and speed and hands. So I feel like Alec Pierce
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is in a situation where he could really stand out this year as being the
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big play go to guy through the air. Yeah. On defense, there's
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a lot of people that the Colts have that are obvious superstars. Yeah,
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you know, we got Shaquille Leonard, you know, we we have my
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favorite defensive player, Divorce Buckner. But I'm gonna go with a rookie,
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all right, who may not even be a starter. But Juju Brents,
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Oh all right, I like it all right. Juju Brents has showed me
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something in training camp that has just absolutely wowed me. Not only is he
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playing well and getting better each and each game, each practice, each preseason
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game, things of that nature, but he's showing me even more physicality than
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what I saw from him in college. He is out there laying the wood
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in practice, knowing, knowing that you know, injuries are a thing and
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you gotta be careful with that, right, But he's still out there putting
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it on the line day in day out, and putting I mean he's hitting
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offensive players on his own team the way he does. Imagine what he's gonna
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do, you know, on game day during the week, I think you're
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gonna see a lot of highlights of Juju Brents, you know, coming in
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possibly, you know, relieving one of the starters from here and there,
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you know, and just changing the tone of a game, right making wide
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receivers afraid to try to catch the football just because they know there they might
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get let you know, as soon as the ball hits their hands. So
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that's that's two guys that I feel like, you know, really keep your
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eye on, all right. I like those two players a lot. And
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on the flip side of the coin, if you can give me two players
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you think are just gonna they're gonna be stepped on throughout the coming season,
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what two Colts players do you think they have a bit of a rough time
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here in twenty twenty three. All Right, the first one is easy for
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me out. I think it's gonna be Moalley Cox. Okay, the tight
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end now. A couple of years ago, he showed some promise, got
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himself a nice little extension. Uh, but at the same time he kind
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of was a letdown last year. Yeah, and the Colts have a very
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very deep and very varied tight end group. In my opinion, they're young.
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There's a lot of great time eight ends on this team that I feel
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I can step up and do some really impressive stuff. Jelani Woods, Kyl
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and Granson's been outstanding. Andrew Ogletree has been a great addition as he came
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back from his injury from last year that no one even knows about, but
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he got injured during preseason last year and you know, wasn't able to play.
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And then our rookie Will Mallory, who's been getting a little bit of
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preseason time, he's been playing fantastic as well. We have a lot of
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talent at the tight end position, and I feel like mo Alei Cox is
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just going to kind of I don't think he lives up to the level the
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rest of the guys. He doesn't bring everything that the rest of the guys
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bring, and I think he's gonna get stepped on in that aspect. Another
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Now, going on to number two, it's not a single player, okay,
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I feel like, yeah, it's a position group. It's a backup
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position anyone that if they're God forbid, the Colts have an injury on the
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interior of the offensive line, okay, because the depth there is awful,
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I mean horrible off okay, and the starting line. I think we'll do
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fine this year. But if God forbid Quintin Nelson, Ryan Kelly or Will
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Fries get hurt, whoever steps up into that position is gonna get stepped on,
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squished and demolished, and in social media is going to get completely obliterated
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after they get on the field and see the taps. So those are my
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two stepped on positions. Alright, Yeah, yeah, I got you man,
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I got you, Lawrence. It was great talking to you. Thank
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you so much for the time again, and folks, Coults law on YouTube
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head on over to the YouTube dot com and search Colts law Lawrence does a
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fantastic job there and the Believe on Colts podcast as well, doing great stuff
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there, Lawrence Man. I loved having you on. It was alway.
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It's always great talking to you. Man. Come back join us down the
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road. I'd love to have you back on the show from my friend.
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Oh absolutely, Man. Maybe maybe we could flip this sometime and get you
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on my shoo. I'd love it. I would absolutely love to do that.
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Let's do it in the future. Always great talking to Lawrence. Man.
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I gotta tell you, I think this Colts team is going to show
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us a little bit of something this year. Like I said, I don't
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think they're going to be one of those bottom theater teams, just given so
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much talent that we were talking about. In terms of the defense, that
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offensive line, like Lawrence was saying, has to stay healthy throughout this season
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because if they don't, it's it's gonna be a rough time for Anthony Richardson.
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It's just gonna be a very, very rough time for him in terms
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of a developmental rookie season in with again a lot on his shoulders because of
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what's happening also with the Jonathan Taylor situation. So great talking to Lawrence,
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