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Sonny Gray Has Mild Hamstring Strain · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up everybody? Charlie Marlow here with a quick
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  Sunny Gray update got my transition lenses on once again,
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  Tony Larussa style. John Mosalak met with the media
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  down in Jupiter, FL and announced that Sunny Gray has a
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  mild tear in his right hamstring and said that Gray being ready
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  for Opening Day would be challenging.
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  Remember, Sunny Gray was penciled in to be the Cardinals
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  Opening Day starter. I think it's safe to say that
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  it's probably not going to happen.
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  So this news, not terrible, not great, kind of in the middle.
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  I would say it's mild, so sunny, Gray, probably not ready for
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  opening day. Let's just say OK, could he,
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  could he be shut down for a couple weeks?
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  Today is March 5th. Does he start throwing again in
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  a couple weeks around March 20th?
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  I'm just speculating. Does he need a a full month or
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  so to get ready and ramped back up?
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  Could he miss a couple weeks? Could he miss a month?
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  I don't know. Not great news, not terrible
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  news. Kind of in the middle.
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  We talked about it this morning. I was on Hot Take Central on 590
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  The Fan KFNS when the news broke of John Mozalak saying it was a
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  mild tear. Mild strain, which is a tear to
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  be fair for Sonny Gray on that right hamstring.
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  Listen in myself, Jimmy the Cat Haze, Cam Jansen and Cole
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  Bartimus on Hot Take Central talking about Sonny Gray.
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  I want answers. I want the truth.
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  You can't handle the truth about Sonny Gray's right hamstring.
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  Tightness. Tightness.
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  Here it is from Derrick Gould. Oh no.
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  What's up, Jimmy? Take it.
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  For what it's worth, this is from Derrick Gould's Twitter.
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  Oh no. Sonny Gray has a mild hamstring
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  strain. Permazeloc getting him ready for
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  opening day is now in question and challenging.
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  You can't handle the truth. Got some time.
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  You know, sunny, Gray, mild hamstring strain, permaze lock.
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  Getting him ready for Opening Day is now in question and
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  challenging. And challenging.
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  We have to. You have to reset.
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  I mean, he's going to be shut down for a while, then you got
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  to build back up. Build back up, stretch out.
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  Damn dude, that's a buzzkill. That is a buzzkill.
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  You know, Damn. That's no good.
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  It's no good. I guess it's in the middle,
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  though. It's mild.
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  Yeah. It's not nothing.
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  It's not a season ender, but it's mild.
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  Yeah, interesting. So who's going to be the Opening
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  Day starter now? Lance Lynn.
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  Mild. Lance Lynn, he's going to start
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  this week like he hadn't thrown a lot.
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  So I think whoever they have a lot of number ones.
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  Sure. So they they they have to see
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  who's trending in the best direction.
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  This ain't good. It's not good because last year
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  in my opinion, things started to snowball with the starting
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  rotation not being good, then attacks the bullpen, then
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  everything want to rise, so they have time.
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  Hopefully it's not anything beyond Opening Day and hopefully
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  they can patchwork it. And it's important to know we've
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  all been through this a lot, so everybody knows we're not
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  doctors. But a strain is a tear.
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  It's a mild tear. You ever You ever torn your
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  hamstring? Nope.
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  I never pulled my groin. I never my legs.
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  My knees have been fine, ankles fine.
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  It's hurt my hand, my chest and my shoulders.
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  So what do they do? Do they do anything?
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  Do you wait it out a little bit? What do you think?
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  Wait it out. What can you do?
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  What do you? I don't think well.
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  I mean depth wise to be honest this, which is why I thought
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  they were a starter short. You got Libertor and Zach
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  Thompson as the first two pieces.
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  I don't know in which order. I would lean towards Zach
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  Thompson because I think Libertor might be better suited
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  for the bullpen. So he moves Zach Thompson and
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  see what he can do. I don't think they're going to
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  go out and jump on one of these free agents that are still out
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  there. I think it's fair to say he's
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  not going to be the Opening Day starter and he'll most likely
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  start the year on the aisle. I think that's fair to say,
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  don't you? Think that's where I got out of
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  that if I were betting, yeah. Damn, man.
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  If Sonny Grace hurt too long term, I think John Tudor is
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  still alive. I'm sure that leg is healed by
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  now. This is a buzzkill, man.
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  Yeah, I know. This is 8.
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  Eight for yourself. They were, though.
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  You know what everybody said? Get 2 front end starters, they
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  got one and if the one guy gets hurt, you got zero right now.
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  For now. Now hopefully Sonny Gray is only
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  on the IL for a couple weeks, but it ain't good, Cam.
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  It ain't good. It ain't good.
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  It ain't good. Oh God.
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  It's a buzzkiller I think you nailed it's a buzzkiller.
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  We don't know the long term ramifications, but right now it
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  certainly takes the air out of the balloon.
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  So the other day in our very popular podcast Low Hanging
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  Fruit, we were talking about Brendan and I I was already
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  looking ahead to the trade deadline and I said, look, just
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  most teams, if you're in the hunt, if you're trying to get
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  that 85 wins, you might be around 500.
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  You are most likely going to add a starter and probably 1
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  reliever. And Brennan said, well who's it
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  going to be? And I said I have no idea, but
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  I'm telling you, we all know this.
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  You don't have to be an expert to know dude, 162 games.
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  You just don't have all 5 starters all throw 3233 starts.
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  And we looked this up, I think it was 2015 was the last time
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  the Cardinals basically were healthy in the rotation and that
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  would have been I think it was a a way, no injury year.
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  Sort of been like Waka Carlos Martinez.
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  We can look this up, but the point is, you don't have to say
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  it's going to be sunny Gray or it's going to be Kyle Gibson.
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  But you can almost every year predict one of your starters is
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  going to get hurt at some point and probably for a significant
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  period of time. And what sucks is, look, when it
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  happens before the season even starts, now somebody else is
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  probably going to get hurt, right?
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  Your whole staff is 35 years old.
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  Somebody else is also probably going to get hurt.
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  That's why you always need depth.
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  Sonny Gray was the one guy who really couldn't get hurt.
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  Now, I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but it seems like
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  he's not going to be there from day one.
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  He's your only guy on paper that you're like.
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  I like starting him in a playoff series.
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  I've I've said all along, like you can say we got 7 starters,
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  you're probably at some point going to need nine.
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  I mean, it usually happens early too.
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  There's always someone, always someone who goes down at spring
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  training, whether it's something that puts him on the shelf for a
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  couple of weeks or possibly more serious than the first couple of
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  weeks. Another one goes, the next thing
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  you know, you're scrambling. So depth in the rotation is
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  really important. They think they have it with
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  Libretor and Thompson, I'm a Thompson guy.
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  I think he'll be a good starter, but I certainly didn't want to
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  see it at this point where you break that emergency glass now.
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  Also, something else to remember, if anybody listening,
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  go and look at the schedule. Look at what happened last year.
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  Cardinals had an atrocious start.
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  I do think it's important for this team to have a strong
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  start, not just the four that you open up with the Dodgers.
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  The schedule's really tough for about the 1st, I believe what,
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  16 games before they play the A's and.
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  And let's just let's just hope Sonny Gray is only out for a
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  couple weeks. That's still probably this
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  really tough stretch to begin the season.
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  Where it could flip pretty quick like this Cardinals team needs
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  to have a nice strong start. And now you probably think it's
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  fair to say won't have Sonny Gray for that first stretch.
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  It's tough, man. I think it's like I would assume
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  the guy they'd like to be the starter in place of Gray is
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  Michaelis. But we will see because right
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  now you, you don't have a number one, and I think you got to just
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  look who's pitching well and formulate the opening rotation
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  that way, right? I mean, I don't think there's
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  one guy you say this guy has to be the new Opening Day starter
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  you see who's pitching well. Are there some guys are ahead of
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  other guys right now in terms of being ready?
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  Are there any veteran one year pitchers hanging out there?
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  I know there are a lot of big name guys, but I'm talking
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  about. I'm talking about the Brandon
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  Crawford version of a starting pitcher.
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  Rich Hill. See.
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  Honestly, somebody like that. I wouldn't laugh at that right
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  now. A Rich Hill type just to get
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  you, OK, but do you want Rich Hill or somebody that's Rich
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  Hill or Zach Thompson, but you're saying Zach Thompson as
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  an as a A1 of your five to start the season like we're now
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  depending on Zach? Thompson I take Thompson over
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  Hill. I I don't mind the veteran guy
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  that you can just discard. You could discard him after
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  three four starts if he's not good, like a rich Hill type.
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  Can't you just discard Zach Thompson to the bullpen?
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  And then who do you replace him with then?
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  Returns. OK, that phrasing specifically
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  saying that it's in question whether or not he's going to
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  make opening day makes it sound like even if he doesn't, he's
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  not going to miss that much time.
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  Wait, miss A few starts. I've heard I've heard this
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  before. Yeah, you guys have the
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  experience. I have a Hadley drop in here
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  somewhere about the Cardinals always lying about the injured
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  list. So you guys have more experience
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  to put with this than I do I? Wouldn't say lying, I would say.
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  Miscalculating. I would just say saying too
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  much. I I think with injuries, the
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  less you say the better. Well, to be honest with you, the
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  Cards have admitted that they've done that.
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  They've sort of promised timetables that haven't
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  happened, and they realize it because MO has said we're
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  hesitant to do timetables because it hasn't served them
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  well in the past. So I don't know what this
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  timetable is now, except it's not ideal.
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  I'm not trying to say it's worse than they're portraying, and if
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  it is short term, I'd be fine with Zach Thompson.
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  He's being stretched out to be a starter anyway.
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  If it's something more serious than that, I don't know.
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  I would. I'd get on the phone right now
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  and I'd say, hey Monty, hey Monty.
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  What's it? Going to take you were great
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  with us. We should have, we should have
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  offered you early, should have given you the bag.
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  What say you give us a one year thing and just really show what
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  you're made of again? If the Cardinals say a player is
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  going to be out for 10 days, he'll be back in a month.
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  How about this? Yeah, but they give good gift
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  cards. Yeah, they do.
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  They disappear. First thing on Google, I put
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  mild hamstring tear, pitcher timeline, Low grade hamstring
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  injuries can heal within several days to one to two weeks, which
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  will then see them return to sports activities.
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  Larger injuries can take between two and six weeks for players to
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  return to sport. When I hear this, I think of one
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  guy. You put down the guitar and you
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  pick up the baseball and you say Wayno.
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  Give us another. One, we need five starts out of
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  you take off that country hat and put on that birds on the bat
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  and you can still. You can sing the national
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  anthem. You can sing at the NASCAR race.
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  Yes, hopefully Sonny Gray's back right there.
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  NASCAR race is what early June Wayno gives you.
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  Seven starts April May, then he retires again.
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  He sings the NASCAR race. He's a hero.
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  Yes, yeah, I would say OK, except I already saw that 400
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  times as soon as the hamstring popped up.
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  Oh, you saw it on and they? Were tweeting at.
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  Me, it was hockey, Bob. Was that in the mix of his?
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  He started John Scrolls. No, because when I tweeted out,
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  I tweeted at the Votto thing on YouTube, which drops at 1:00.
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  He, I all of a sudden can he pitch?
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  Can he pitch? And then it was, you know.
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  Question. This is a hypothetical.
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  We're just having fun. Now, if the Cardinals now, maybe
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  Wayno calls the Cardinals first. If the Cardinals called up Wayno
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  right now and said we need you for eight starts, wouldn't Wayno
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  do it 'cause he could he'd have redemption.
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  What if he was good for two months?
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  I bet you he wouldn't. Oh no, he would 1000%.
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  All right, Jim, if the Cardinals called Wayno right now and said
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  go down to spring training, build back up, we need eight
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  starts, he would 1000% do it. I would agree, except for he
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  pitched through a lot of stuff and if he's if, if the arm is
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  terrible now. PRP.
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  And it hurt to even throw with his kid.
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  He wouldn't. Side arm.
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  Just get lit up again. Throw left-handed.
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  Just another season like that. Bobble heads.
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  Yeah, I don't know, man. He's got.
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  Another career going. On as long as he's not pitching
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  on April 20th. Like the game you're going to.
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  No, because Cam will be at his concert with Zac Brown Band at
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  Chaffetz. Are you?
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  Going. Yeah, we'll.
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  See with Kate. I am going on a vacation in May.
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  I do know that's 100%. Jeff Witt's always telling us
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  that he's got tickets for us on the Cardinal game.
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  Go for a day game right after the show.
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  Head down there. Us for Go Say Hey to Jimmy, Get
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  Maddie to go. Car service.
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  Car service. Oh dude, that's my favorite
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  Cardinal games for. Sure.
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  Yeah, let's do that. 100%.