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Can We Quit Talking About Epstein? · Bourbon & Rum

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Welcome to another episode of Bourbon and Rum.
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This is a podcast of two brothers from opposite ends of
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the spectrum. My name's Kent, I'm a rum
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drinker, and I'm from the left side of the aisle.
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And I'm Kyle. I, like bourbon, tend to be a
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little more conservative. Join us as we explore this
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experiment. Can two brothers from different
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sides of the political spectrum have a civil conversation and
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celebrate our differences? What are you drinking?
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I am drinking a old reliable old Forester single barrel barrel
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proof. It's 131 so you know.
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Gets a little toasty, but. 6-8 ounces of that and you're you're
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going to be fun to talk to. You know, I had a really
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delightful conversation about bourbon with Grok yesterday.
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No, not Grok with ChatGPT. I was talking to ChatGPT about
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bourbon and I was explaining there were a couple of bourbons,
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namely in the Beam family that are good and smooth, but I'm not
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that big a fan of. But I really like like Old
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Forester and I like the Wellers and the, and the, you know, I
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like the kind of a rich mouthfeel.
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And what I was saying is that it's because what I don't like
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apparently, and I, you know, I'm not like a super knowledgeable
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in the subject. I'm learning more as I drink
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more, but it's the rye content, like the higher the rye content
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is like a thinner mouthfeel versus if it's a lower rye, more
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wheat or other stuff, it's it's a, it's creamier, smoother, you
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know what I mean? And you like more rye or less
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rye? Less rye I don't like Oh.
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Wow, I actually really love rye whiskey too.
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And not like bourbon with a lot of rye.
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Maybe that's not that great, but, you know, straight up rye.
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Yeah, I, I think it's, it's great for mixing.
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You know you you make a great Manhattan with a a good dry rye
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whiskey. Yeah, yeah, I know that's true
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for sure. What are you drinking on?
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I'm off the beaten path and instead of rum, and this is the
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beauty of being a cheap rum drinker rather than an expensive
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bourbon drinker that I can shake things up from time to time.
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So I've just got a Gimlet with Sapphire with Bombay Gin and
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Rose's Lime. Perfect for a hot, humid summer
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day. That sounds great.
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Well, for our listeners, this is a special episode for us because
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this episode is being recorded in front of a live studio
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audience of three people, including our mother, who to our
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knowledge has not ever listened to one of our full episodes to
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date. Can't blame her.
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I mean, I will say, you know, one of the benefits of the
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podcast, one of the things that we often, we often promote is
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that so far we haven't used the F bomb in arguing.
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And I would think that having mom here in the audience might
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make sure that even today there's no F bomb.
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Now the problem is that the other individual or aunt that is
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there, she might actually appreciate the the random F box.
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It's like the it's like the Angel and the devil on the
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shoulder. What What's say and do it?
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And what's say and don't? That's right.
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That's right. Well, I thought we had.
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I thought we had a great discussion last week.
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We dug pretty deep into the most recent news on the the Epstein
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files and that whole conversation.
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I don't know, might continue some of that today.
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You said you had a an occasion earlier today.
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That kind of was a little bit of something to discuss with this.
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Well, yeah, I mean, we were downtown Dallas and saw the JFK
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memorial. And then of course, there's some
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guy Hawking a book down there and and he's, you know, another
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theory. And supposedly he's he's good
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friends with Marina Oswald, who lives in Rockwall, which just
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east of Dallas, according to his friendship with her.
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She said he's a horrible shot. So no way he could have shot
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Oswald. And his contention is Oswald was
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eating a sandwich up there in the Book Depository Building.
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So I don't know that that's any of the official.
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And you talk about the worst place to eat a sandwich.
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I mean, just it all just went downhill after that.
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Yeah, so any and honestly anybody that goes to that 6th
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floor museum, we were talking to some other people that we went
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to this Dallas Farmers Market, which is really cool and a
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little area and then restaurants stuff and we're down there and
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talking to somebody. And I was like and they were
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talking about going to the 6th floor and I said if you go to
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that museum and they lay it all, all the details out and it's
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skip official storyline they lay out.
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But you watch that and you're like, there's no way in hell it
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was just Oswald A sole shooter. I mean, and they, they try to
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tell you that that's the case, but there's so much stuff in
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there that you're just like, yeah, whatever, you know.
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And I kind of feel like that's what's going on here with this
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Epstein bit is that it's when you have these inconsistencies
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and you have the way people handle this.
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There's just there's 100,000 document and we learned this
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week there's 100,000 pages of stuff and then like, well,
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there's nothing that can be released.
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Like really, I mean, there's nothing.
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I mean, it just doesn't add up, you know, and it, and it's like,
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it might like the like the like JFK, like maybe he wasn't eating
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a sandwich, maybe he shot him. He's the lone gunman and all the
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hours and years of people's lives investigating conspiracies
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has all just been a bunch of nonsense.
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And maybe everything's hunky Dory with the Epstein thing too.
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Well, it's not hunky Dory, but maybe it's not, you know, The
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Client List and all this stuff. But whenever you, I feel like
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whenever you kind of fumble the message, it's just going to open
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the door to every possibility. Just opens up so many questions,
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right, I think. I don't think I'm
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mischaracterizing this, but at least on several occasions, Dad
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told me that his take on the JFK thing was, regardless of what
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happened, 100% the Warren Commission.
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I don't think they thought he was the only shooter.
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I think they thought there was something bad and they needed to
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paper over it. And I think in the doing of
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that, like the truth is the first casualty, right?
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We didn't get to the bottom of it then.
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And there was, I mean, another way to say it is that, yeah,
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there was a cover up by the Warren Commission, but they
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didn't know what they were covering up.
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They were just like, we want this to go away.
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And I, you know, I don't think that.
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I don't think that works very well.
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Yeah. I don't know if if something
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nefarious happened, whether Epstein or whether JFK and
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you're trying to hush it, hush it up.
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It's not going to work. I mean, you're not going to
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quell the and that that's kind of where I was going last week
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is it's like, you know, if you really wanted to end this thing,
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there's ways you could do it, But it it just doesn't seem like
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they were interested. I think they want it to go away,
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but then it's like, OK, you know, it's like either you're
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really bad at PR and you, you're not able to put this to bed in
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an easy way. Or.
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It's, you know, you can't put lipstick on a pig and there's no
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way you're going to make it go away.
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You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, I, I feel
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like, you know, we talked about this in detail last week.
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I am having a hard time getting past it.
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You know, it, it, it, it just seems so prominent in
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everything. And it's like it's got to get
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dealt with or else I don't know how he's going to be able to
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govern at all. So I think and I think one of
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the reasons why I think we got along really well talking about
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this last week, I think it's kind of one of the least
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political discussions that we've had.
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It is a, the, the Epstein story is an equal opportunity
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embarrassment for Republicans and Democrats alike and probably
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a whole bunch of people that we don't know who.
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And even if there's no evidence of people actively participating
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in that, which Epstein was purveying, I, I think what's
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really evident is that a lot of people, even if they weren't
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playing that game, you can't say that they didn't know what was
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going on. And I think that's embarrassing
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to people. I think it's, it's been proven
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in my mind to be a bipartisan or a a non partisan issue.
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If there was a strong advantage to the Democrats, somebody in
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the Biden administration would have find a way, found a way to
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play the card. If the only name in it that you
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would know is Bill Clinton and everybody else has got clean
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hands, I feel pretty confident that we'd have had that on the
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front page the day after. So it's clearly there's a lot of
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people with a lot of reasons to to want to hide it.
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And, and so I don't think this is Republican, Democrat.
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I think this is the insiders versus the people in some ways.
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Yeah, I think I might have texted you this week.
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I was watching a TikTok or YouTube short or something like
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that of A and some conservative influence or what was on there.
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And he's like, finally with the one topic all sides are agreeing
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on, you know, like, you know, thank you, Jeffrey Epstein, for
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bringing the country together. You know, I'm not sure that's
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what we wanted. But but honestly, to your point,
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I mean, I don't, I mean, there are certainly people that are
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trying to bury it. Here's one that's interesting to
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me is Rupert Murdoch. Wall Street Journal is
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publishing exposes, if not that you have the Fox News app on
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your phone. But if you did read the Fox News
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app, you could control F Epstein on the Fox website.
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You're not going to find it. I mean, it is, it is like
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absent. And so then it's like, what is
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up with that? Because he's got control over
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both, right? And the Wall Street Journal has
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been way out in front on this. And you know the So you told me,
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I think, that Trump sued the Wall Street Journal over the one
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article about the birthday card thing for 10.
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Was it $10 billion? Yeah, you know, you know, 10
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billion. Well, like I said, you know, I
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mean, Rupert Murdoch's nobody's fool.
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I don't think that they published that without, without
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the receipts in the bank. They know what they're doing.
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And so I yeah, but it's interesting this.
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Playing both sides of the fence there, the two entities.
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Yeah. But really, I mean, again, talk
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about uniting the country, though.
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I don't know. I don't know anybody.
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I haven't talked to anybody of any political persuasion who
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said, yeah, you know, when she said there's nothing there, I I
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accept that. Oh yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, it's.
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Not number one, I will. I will say you talk about
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conspiracies. So we're at this, we went to
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Dallas Farmers Market and we were eating lunch there and I
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kids give me a hard time 'cause I tend to talk to strangers
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regularly, you know, and there were this these family from
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Pennsylvania there. I start slinging it with them
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and this guy, you know, he's a corrections officer.
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Well, then we get into all this sling about that and that was a
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whole other thing, 'cause I'm like.
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Say, knowing what you do for a living, Tell me about what you
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could do with a bench. I should have, yes.
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Well, because I was like, I'd actually just seen or this week
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Rogan had this guy on pretty fascinating author.
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This, I forget the guy's name. He's an author and he spent like
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20 years in prison for murder. He actually murdered somebody,
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but he just spent time in prison.
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But he spent a lot of time in in solitary confinement because of
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and he'd assaulted an officer. And then he told his old
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stories. Pretty interesting story.
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Maybe he's talking about being in solitaire and the whole
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thing. And and I'm talking to this guy,
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but he was like, he's like, well, there's no such thing as
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solitaire. I was like, well, I mean, sounds
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like there's these, these people put in the cell and he's like,
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well, I mean, we interface with them all, all day.
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I mean, we're talking to them throughout the day.
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We deliver them lunch and then, you know, we see him, you know,
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so his slang was like, you know, it's not really solitary because
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people see him throughout the day.
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But we get to talking about politics and, you know, I could
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tell he was I could tell he wasn't on your side of the
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aisle, let's put it that way, based on because one of the
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things he said, because he was talking about the the no
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solitary confinement, he's like, well, that's a that's a liberal
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conspiracy that that there's such thing as solitary
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confinement. He's like, that's just a liberal
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thing. And I'm like, OK.
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And then I said, well, what do you think about the Epstein
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situation? And he's like, well, you, you
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know. You ask a dude you've never met
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from visiting from Pennsylvania at the farmers market.
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What do you think about the Epstein deal?
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I got it. Well, after he told me that, you
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know, it's a liberal conspiracy of solitary confinement, I
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thought, man, I got to find out where he's at on this.
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And he said, well, he said, you know, I I think there's
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something bigger at play. And and he's like, yeah, I
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could, I could agree with that. He's like, no, I think, I think
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this is all purposeful. He's like what I see going on
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with Elon and Trump, He's like, you know what this is?
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I can't believe the guy was like, you know, this is very
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similar to like, like, you know the the WWE plot lines.
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Yes, you know the WWE plot lines.
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And I'm like, you know, for those that you know, the World
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Wrestling Enterprise's plot line, he's like, that's what's
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going on. It's AWWE plot line.
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I was like, OK, that's. Epstein's going to come walking
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back into the ring with a Cape on or?
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Something. But then that is.
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That's interesting. All right.
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I just, I, I, I just got tickled a minute ago and I was laughing
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because the way he said it, he's like, well, you know, as though,
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you know, 'cause I mean, maybe that's maybe that's a whole
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other political path. But the fact that, you know, I
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signaled that we had a similar world view.
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He just assumed that I, I'm familiar with WWE plotline.
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So there's that. Yeah, it's, it's interesting.
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And I don't think that like I, I don't think the story, I don't
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think the story goes away. I think people want answers.
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In some ways, I think it's a little risky because you know
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that there might not be, it might, to your point, it might
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not be that interesting a story. It might be a dirtbag who had
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this kind of thing that he did and people that he worked with
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and he profited off of it and that's the end of it.
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It doesn't seem like that to me though.
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The whole thing, just the, the, the, the biggest parts that I
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find like I can't connect those dots.
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I can't add it up. Where did he get the money?
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Where did he get the money? Where?
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Did he teacher to advisor of the billionaires?
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OK, Yeah. Yeah, and if not a intelligence
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gathering mission or a bribery for or a blackmail for profit
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scam, you got an island, you've got a jet.
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You can do anything that you want.
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Why, why you got why you got to be roping in all these other
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people. Like like if this was his
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interest, I I I don't understand what his motivation for running
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this enterprise would. Yeah, well, and why, you know,
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what is it about the situation that both Trump and Biden are
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deciding not to release the information?
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That's the part that I just, I can't like, I like, OK, I, I
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know Trump. They said Trump's name was in
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it. Well, obviously, I mean, he was
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in the flight logs. I mean that that.
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And so I wouldn't be surprised if there's more on him.
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But, you know, back to the, well, why didn't Biden release
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it? And, and, and why are the, you
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know, the Democrats have not made an issue of this thing?
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I mean, you know, and that's, you know, and that's a lot of
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why this is coming back to haunt them.
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But the Republicans, Trump and Patel and Bongino and all these
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guys are released. The released nobody on the, on
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the left has ever said one thing about the, the files, releasing
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the files. So there's, there's, you know,
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what is that element there that prevents them?
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It it's just and yeah, it's that's the thing.
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That's the thing that is crazy about it.
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It could be as simple as, well, Biden didn't release it because
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there was nothing there and there really isn't anything
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there. And they hyped this thing up
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like there's all this conspiracy and there's not.
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But then I don't know why you wouldn't, why wouldn't you just
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come out and say, well, here's what we got there.
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Just there isn't much. I mean, here's everything we
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got. You've seen it.
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He doesn't have a black book. Like here's all the stuff he
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does have that we can share. And the rest of it we can't.
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Like, you know that that would take 10 minutes to explain and
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most people would believe it. But instead there's nothing
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there. And you're an idiot if you think
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they're like. Yeah, well, and I think that yet
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I don't want to presume about things, but the article the Wall
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Street Journal posted about the contribution from the proposed
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to be from Trump to the to the book.
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I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm not a
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Trump fan that that would be true.
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I, I that seems like like, please tell me that that's not
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enough of a deal that you're willing to try to avoid the
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release to avoid, you know, right.
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Maybe unsightly, but I don't know, like, like you said, he's,
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he's in the flight log. So that it's, it's not like
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there's no connection there. And if it was so damning about
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Trump, then why wouldn't Biden have you like that?
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And I hate to be the conspiratorialist, but I keep
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coming back to some sort of intelligence, international
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politics kind of thing, because that's the only kind of thing
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that I think that you could get. You've probably got damning
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information about high profile figures in both parties and yet
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nobody's touching it with a with a 10 foot pole.
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Why not? And and if it's that, you know,
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it's Mossad, if it's KGB or CIA, you know, any of the above.
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And. And that's why they're.
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I still don't understand why it. It just seems like a really
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weird turn of events. Yeah.
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And I just don't, you know, in the part that pisses me off too,
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is like, you know, it's between this and I've, I've shared this
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and the big beautiful, the big piece of crap Bill.
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Both things have pissed me off and I'm not enamored about.
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There's a lot of other things I I still agree with and I think
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he did well and and there's other things I'd like him to do.
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So like, you know, I'm not ready to go vote in a a Democrat, but
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I want more than I'm getting and I want different.
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And it's like, but I feel like whatever else he's going to do
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in his administration, I don't know how you get there without
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solving this. Like, I feel like they're nuts
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if they think they can put their head in the sand and think this
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thing's going to go away. I mean, I think this is just the
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beginning. I mean, this is going to
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envelope, you know, how can it not?
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It just seems like such a weird response and it's fired up so
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many folks like somebody had mentioned like, well, maybe
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it'll just go away. No, it's not going to go away.
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You can't. I, I just don't see how this, I
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didn't see how he gets past this.
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I mean, if he's not going to write this and I, I said last
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week, like I think it's a good possibility the guy resides.
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I don't know how. I just don't know how he's going
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to accomplish anything until this is resolved.
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And you know, maybe there's a way to resolve it.
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I don't know. Well, I think that it has the
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potential to the longer it goes unresolved, you get to the point
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where maybe the resolution, the real resolution is unsatisfying.
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And then and then what do you do?
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And and that in some ways linking it back to the Kennedy
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thing, I don't know. I mean, it might have been Lee
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Harvey Oswald with a couple lucky shots.
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It, it it might have been something really straightforward
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that the KGB work this deal out. They did it, but in the process
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of papering over at the Warren Commission, guaranteed that it
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would be this like unhealed wound that would just go on and
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on and on. And I think that that might be
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the kind of risk that we're dealing with here that, you
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know, now the expectations are high because people who think
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that there's something there, I'd probably put myself in that
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category. What?
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What would satisfy me at this point?
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You know, like. Well, and that that's the thing,
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like I'm less concerned about whether there is something there
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or there's not something there. I just want like a realistic
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explanation. Like, I just want a truthful,
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what seems like a truthful explanation.
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And the way it came off is it sounds like they're covering
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something up now. If they're not, it wouldn't take
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much to explain it. Like you kind of like I said,
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like, hey, here's what we got. We thought there was a lot.
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We dug into it. There's not.
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So so Glenn Maxwell gets an immunity deal to to tell her
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story, but leaves the meeting with a box and a bunch of
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documents. Saw that?
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Yeah. How does that in your mind?
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What, what do you think that what is that going to look like?
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Is it an immunity deal because we think you've gotten a raw
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deal or is it an immunity deal if and only if you tell this
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particular story? That's kind of the the
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assertion, right? Like, yeah, you, you, you got a
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deal here, here. That box was full of the script
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that she had to memorize. Yeah, well, and then there's
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talk he's going to partner and then it's like, OK, that's
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creepy. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, I, I don't know,
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I'm, I, I voted for Trump. I believed in the things that he
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was supporting and supported him.
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But but I'm not, you know, supported a position because I
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think he could get the things accomplished.
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But I'm not, you know, I don't think he's Jesus.
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I, you know, I was hopefully could do some really good
24:49
things. I'm still hopefully you can do
24:51
some good things and navigate a path around this.
24:55
But at the same time, you know, I'm not for the guy no matter
25:00
what. And if it comes out that there's
25:03
more to this story in a bad way, like I'm not, I'm obviously not
25:10
for that. You know what I mean?
25:11
It's like, and that's what it's and I feel like if there truly
25:17
is nothing there, he needs to run quickly to the area of, you
25:23
know, demonstrating Full disclosure that yeah, OK, we
25:28
were friends, blah, blah, blah, like more disclosure, like
25:31
disclose it all. Here's everything.
25:33
We're friends. I kicked them out of the club.
25:35
OK, great. But hiding crap or trying to
25:40
change the subject. I, I was watching some other
25:42
conservative influencers this week and they said, you know, as
25:45
soon as he says Obama, you know, because this whole thing came up
25:50
about Obama and the, and the Russia collusion.
25:53
One of the conservative guys was like, as soon as he said Obama,
25:57
I thought my head guilty like that.
26:00
All you're doing is obfuscating what is going on now that said,
26:06
but it's like the stuff they release.
26:07
And that's what pisses me off about this because I do think
26:10
there was a conspiracy there. I think, I think that is a
26:13
criminal activity that took place, but that's not going to
26:16
get any ounce of credibility. And it's certainly not going to
26:20
get any ounce of credibility when that's your go to when
26:23
you're trying to get out of this Epstein disaster that you
26:27
created. And that's, I guess that's my
26:29
problem is it's like all the things, all the priorities I
26:33
have that I want to see accomplished.
26:34
I don't see how any of them get addressed if we've had resolve
26:38
in this thing. I mean, there's just too many
26:41
open questions here. Do you think people have talked
26:44
about fire, Pam Bondi, or is that of interest to you?
26:50
Like that makes no sense to me, but I don't, I don't know what
26:54
your take on that is Like. I don't think she was.
26:57
Yeah, she didn't, I think. She's probably checked with the
26:59
Home Office before she. Made the.
27:01
I think she she reminds me of Tariq Aziz, you know,
27:06
representing Saddam Hussein, like the the spokesman for
27:12
Saddam Hussein fire Tariq Aziz. You know, he's trying to explain
27:19
the sad of his. Yeah, I mean, I don't.
27:21
I mean, she delivered the news so she came off as not genuine
27:27
and not very, you know, credible.
27:29
But I think she was just relaying the party line.
27:32
I mean it sounds. Like, yeah, it's a, it's an
27:35
interesting thing. I fully acknowledge.
27:38
I think, like I've said, the I think there's, there's clearly
27:42
material. Either there's nothing and we
27:45
just can't let it go or I think that's, it's pretty obvious that
27:50
there's probably damaging things about high profile Democrats.
27:53
I, you know, like I said last week, you know, it would not
27:57
shock me to learn Bill. Clinton.
28:00
Honestly though, I'm. Like in the thing.
28:01
I mean, I don't think Biden would have been that worried
28:04
about insulting Clinton. Yeah.
28:07
Unless it's illegal activity. Right, right.
28:11
And if it was illegal activity that Clinton was involved in and
28:14
Trump was involved in, and the only way you disclose it is
28:16
disclose them both, But then, OK, if that illegal activity
28:19
occurred, why wouldn't that have been investigated, prosecuted
28:22
separately? I mean, if there, if there's
28:24
evidence in these documents that illegal activity took place, I
28:29
mean they wouldn't just sit on that and not do anything with
28:32
it, right? Well, other than, Acosta said.
28:37
I was investigating it but they told me to hands off because he
28:40
was intelligence. Oh, yeah, yeah.
28:43
If it's intelligence, maybe I'm just, I don't know.
28:47
I'd just be curious. Other folks like, is this top of
28:50
mind every day? I mean, I it's on my mind every
28:53
day. I don't like, I, I can't hardly.
28:56
Like I see news stories and I'm like, I don't even care about
28:58
this other stuff until they figure this out.
29:00
But maybe I'm obsessed. I don't know, what do you think?
29:04
I don't know, I'm, I've been a little disappointed by some of
29:07
the the Democrat response. I think that there's been an
29:11
effort on some Democrats to to tie the outrage over the scandal
29:18
by some on the right to the Q Anon conspiracy thing.
29:24
You know, and, and I think I said and when and when they do
29:27
that, they kind of downplay the scandal of it.
29:31
It's kind of like, look at those conspiratorialists getting all
29:35
spun up about it. But I think that's the wrong
29:36
place to be on this. I think it's AII do think it's a
29:39
big deal. And again, I don't think it's a
29:41
partisan deal. I think it's been evidentiary
29:44
that two separate administrations of two different
29:48
political parties have been cagey at best about what
29:54
happened there. And that tells me that there's
29:57
something really afoot. And I if that makes me a
30:00
conspiratorialist, I'm, I'm on board.
30:02
But yeah, I don't think it. There's just parts of this that
30:07
don't add up to me. And, and I don't think it's like
30:10
hidden stuff. I don't think, you know, this
30:13
guy had all this money. You don't have an island and a
30:17
jet without having a lot of money.
30:19
And you don't get a lot of money being a high school math team.
30:22
Right. Well, like that guy that we were
30:24
talking about last week and talking about how he walks in,
30:29
he's like, well, I was just trading currency.
30:31
Like the guy swung it like he didn't know what the hell he was
30:34
talking about, you know? Well, where do we go from here?
30:38
What do you think? I don't know, because, you know,
30:40
I was talking a little bit about like.
30:43
And I think that's part of what is extra disappointing to me
30:48
with Trump because one of the things that attracted me about
30:53
him, yeah, I get he's a brash personality.
30:56
He pisses people off, He's a bull in China shop.
30:59
But there's an element of me that liked that because.
31:03
And I think a lot of the population liked it too, in the
31:07
sense that, OK, finally somebody's going to upend the
31:10
norms and get crap done. OK, great.
31:15
And he did that. I think he did a lot of those
31:17
things in his first term. I don't think he did as much as
31:20
he could have in his first term because I think he was
31:22
surrounded by, you know, political appointees that he
31:25
didn't pick. So, you know, I felt like he
31:28
learned from that because a lot of the people that he wound up
31:31
with his and his staff last time was who the Republican National
31:34
Committee said to put in the cabinet and not necessarily who
31:37
he thought of. So he had four years to think
31:40
about it and now you got a staff.
31:41
And you know, I get you, don't you don't think the same thing
31:46
highly of his cabinet, but you do not.
31:50
But I like the fact that, OK, he picked people.
31:54
He can make crap happen. I love the fact he brought in
31:56
Elon Musk. And hey, we're going to find
32:00
trillions of dollars and we're going to cut it.
32:02
And that I was really optimistic about that early on.
32:06
And then, you know, we come out with this bill and it's like
32:10
we're spending the same amount of money Biden spent.
32:14
You know, what the hell did we accomplish?
32:17
You know, like I said, the border he fixed, I, I mean,
32:21
really, that didn't take a whole lot of effort.
32:24
I mean, I think Biden could have fixed the border in 5 minutes as
32:27
well if he'd have followed the law.
32:28
But that's a whole other topic for another day.
32:31
I think, you know, that was fixed pretty quickly.
32:34
But then you get to this thing and it's like, well, he's not a
32:38
politician. He doesn't care.
32:40
He's going to release the stuff. And then you get what is a
32:43
extreme An extreme level of conformance to normal political.
32:51
Bullshit. That there's nothing here, guys,
32:54
don't worry about it. You know, it's, it was like a
32:56
standard. I think that's the part that is
32:59
just torqued off myself. A lot of other people on the
33:02
right is, you know, we wanted this guy 'cause he's going to go
33:05
shake things up. And then we got like a status
33:08
quo deep state answer on something that they had, they
33:13
had promoted that there was something to be told, you know,
33:16
and it's, I just feel like that's such a betrayal to what
33:21
they were pushing that if there's not a reverse course or
33:25
there's not AWWE style plot here that I'm missing, I just don't
33:31
know how they get past it. I mean, I don't know that he's
33:33
going to resign. But like, if, you know, you Fast
33:36
forward a year and all anybody ever wants to talk about is
33:39
Epstein, I don't know. Does he stick around?
33:41
I don't know. Clearly kind of under his skin
33:45
and and and trying to divert. I hope that yeah.
33:49
Well, I guess that gives us material for future podcasts.
33:55
And we still, Yeah. I don't, I don't know.
33:57
I feel sorry for our producer. I'm not sure exactly what she's
34:00
going to title this, you know. More.
34:02
Of the same of last week, yeah. Then we're going to have like
34:06
the 12th episode from now and like episode 11 about Epstein,
34:11
you know, like, and you know, I don't care about Epstein.
34:15
I hate even saying that Jack has his name, but it's like, I just
34:18
feel like it's his subject that I think everybody would love to
34:21
move on from if you could. Well, let's see what what the
34:25
news brings us and maybe we get some some more resolution as we
34:30
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