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The Bayou Strangler: Ronald Dominique & Another water cryptid · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Everyone is here. The country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, my name is Brian Joiner
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  and this is when Killers get caught a podcast about a deep
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  dives into the lives of killers. We love to learn about each
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  week. Brian.
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  And I will discuss two true crime stories that resonated
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  with us and I'll lead you down the dark path of learning about
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  who a killer was, how they grew up, how they killed in most
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  importantly, how they got caught, then Brian slows things
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  down and gives us a walkthrough. The creepier side of life of a
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  discussion of the Paranormal or Cryptids.
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  And just letting you know, there are three weeks left and our Our
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  newest t-shirt launch. The thick did the a Squatch will
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  be disappearing at the end of the month.
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  So if you would like a shirt that has I love Leah, a Squatch,
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  dropping it low. This is the time to get it
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  because it won't be coming back after this.
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  I like to say he drops It Like It's Hot.
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  There's no pun there, Brian. I know it just dropped on a
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  Squatch. He drops it like it's hot.
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  Just that's what does okay. Well, this weekend True Crime,
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  we have discovered the identity of a serial killer this week
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  whoo-hoo, it's been 30 years since three women were robbed
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  sexually assaulted and murdered in motels, in Kentucky and
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  Indiana. And the police have finally
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  identified. The Killer They did a press
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  conference this past Tuesday with Indiana State Police, and
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  they said that the killer's name is Harry Edward Greenwell.
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  He is currently deceased, but that he was responsible for the
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  deaths of Vicki. Heath Margaret Peggy Hill and
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  Gian Gilbert. He died in 2013 at the age of
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  68, but that he was also responsible for the sexual
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  assault of a fourth woman who needed on actually manage to
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  kill and they found him through. What do you think, right.
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  23andMe pretty much they're now calling investigative genealogy.
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  As I initially, they were able to connect DNA of the killer to
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  someone in a DNA, a genealogy database and that's how they
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  were to find it really there. What they're doing now at this
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  point is he has a pretty extensive criminal record
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  between 1963 and 1998 and so Indiana.
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  State police are looking to see if he did anything else.
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  Honestly, if they can connect him to any other missing persons
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  were there any other motels that he might have stopped by and
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  people went missing. So, this isn't over.
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  They just know the name, they called him, the I-65 killer, and
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  the thing is, I 65 runs from Gary Indiana, all the way down
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  to the Gulf of Mexico. So we're talking of a hundreds
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  of miles on the East Coast where he could have stopped and killed
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  people as well. So there's No guarantee that.
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  It just stops at these three murders in one assault.
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  God yeah. You come here?
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  Hoping they're hoping they can close them, some cases and give
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  people some closure and finding out what happened to their loved
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  ones. They also called him the days in
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  Keller because apparently he was he like to stop at that Motel
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  sometime. God.
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  No. Not that easy.
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  Yeah. Are there any other state police
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  weren't actually able to get permission to use that database?
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  The investigative genealogy until 2019?
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  So this is still really, really new.
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  That's they never had a suspect or anyone before this, they just
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  had rant. Like they just had DNA that they
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  could link to anybody. Hmm.
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  So I think we're just going to keep happening.
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  So yeah, it works you That's going to say like this is like
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  the they're if they're at a dead end when they and they have the
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  the elected DNA evidence and stuff like that, and nothing
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  that connected to this is like the thing they go to.
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  Now, like, we learned And with the one case I think it was not
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  just I'll call you with the Grim sleeper you in order to get
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  access to do that. You have to have used every
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  other form of policing, right before they will allow you
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  access to, what is millions of people's DNA.
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  And a lot of people feel, a lot of ways about it.
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  It's one of the reasons why I've never actually done a DNA test.
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  I would like to know what percentage is what percentage.
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  But also on the other hand, I'm like, do I want to know?
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  If somebody I'm related to is a killer, Nah.
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  Nah, that's okay. Now I got to rethink that
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  relationship. Can you imagine what it was like
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  when Dennis readers daughter found out that her dad was the
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  BTK killer? I can't imagine.
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  I'll want that on my heart. That's okay.
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  But what's your true crime case this week Brian?
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  Okay, so apparently the story has been going around and I'm
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  pretty sure if you guys have been paying attention to True
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  Crime News, you've heard this as well.
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  So there was an incident. I guess we can only fans model
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  where she allegedly stabbed her boyfriend to death, in their
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  apartment, Julie, Brian, I've seen the photos on TMZ.
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  Homegirl is covered head to toe in blood.
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  It is horrific. One of my friends is in Miami
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  and was literally like I've been in Miami for two weeks because
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  she's she's down there, looking at like she has a business Then
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  I guess she's trying to expand and its potential.
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  She might be able to run her business down there.
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  I'll miss her. If she actually, they're one of
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  our sponsors. Oh, really the bakery?
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  Yeah, she's going to Miami right now.
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  That your service meet Cafe. Yep.
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  I think I don't know if they're going to be stimmy temporary or
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  something. But they've been down there for
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  a while, but she definitely was like she posted on Facebook.
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  She's like, I watch a lot of CSI.
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  Miami before I came down here and now I think there's
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  definitely a murder that just happened.
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  I'm like, Bro. So I'm like dang but yeah, like
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  it. Yeah, I saw the picture soon as
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  like it's not alleged like you did, it says a legend in this
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  news article. So it's somebody's blood.
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  Is it somebody's blood? Who knows?
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  So influence. Our her name is Courtney
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  cleaning. She's plenty, plenty in another
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  name when she was Doing her only.
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  Yeah, it's a Courtney Taylor was her other, her suited, for
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  whatever, her stage name and interesting.
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  Question. Why would you make your stage
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  name? So close to your real name?
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  I don't know. Like, I definitely change it.
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  Well, thank first and last name. Yep, absolutely.
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  I don't know, my name. My brain just said Isabella
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  demise. That's so not a good name but
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  it's what? Popped into my head.
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  Go only fans looking up. She's probably there already.
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  Right. Yeah, it's probably like I saw
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  that somewhere on Twitter. Oh my God.
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  But yeah. She's yeah.
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  She's 25 years old and her her boyfriend.
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  His name was Christian. I don't know.
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  I don't know how to pronounce his last name.
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  I know he's African. So he yeah, French last name.
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  Yeah he does and he's 27 but yeah the cops they responded to
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  a 911 call around, you know, 5:00 on Sunday at you know, at
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  their apartment. And this is like pretty said, it
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  mean Miami Florida. And they say, they found her
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  boyfriend. He was stabbed once in the
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  shoulder. That's it.
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  That's what it says. It's.
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  Where is that blood? The way that it was like, posted
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  all over social media over the last couple days.
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  It's like she stabbed him to death.
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  Like there were multiple stabbings.
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  You know what I mean? Yeah, like 11 stabbed was Otto,
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  dang. Yeah.
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  It must have been like a really deep wound or somewhere like
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  that. Lets you do the artery right?
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  Yeah. Arm, exactly.
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  That's one thing for there to be that kind of a spray that it's
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  all over her face. Chase chest and legs.
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  That's a no that's an arterial spray.
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  Yeah. Yeah that's that's why all that
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  blood. Yep.
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  That's rather but come from that's the only way if it was
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  only One time. Wow.
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  See the way the media was portraying.
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  It was that she like went full like Jason Voorhees.
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  But yeah, he died at the hospital.
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  Actually, he didn't even die. There.
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  He was still alive. Yeah, he he died at the
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  hospital. Like I said, the first thing
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  that I saw was the TMZ pictures. The somebody took from like
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  their apartment building across from her.
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  The other apartment building. Yeah, we can see, right clearly.
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  She's like sitting on the ground cuffed and there's blood on her
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  face, her little too. be top her sweat pants are soaked, like So,
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  I assumed homeboy was dead dead before the police even got
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  there. Yeah.
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  Wow. Yeah yeah it's wild how the
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  media portrays things they got me.
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  Yeah, that's all I saw. I didn't look at any other
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  articles that's like oh look at that.
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  White girl killed a black man. That's that's what drew me into
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  it. I was like God kid, here we go
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  again but yeah, they said there's the cops.
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  Was that there was obviously like a physical altercation
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  before she's she he was stabbed. So, So, like people people like
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  her, who her friends AP said that they've seen him hit her
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  and stuff like that. Like yeah, you know, if you girl
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  getting just be, oh wait, no, no, no, my bad.
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  I read the wrong. It says, we seen her hit him in
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  that I've never seen. Yeah, I've never seen him hit
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  her, so obvious. Asleep must have been something
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  that she was doing. Yeah.
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  See this popped up on my Facebook timeline because people
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  pulled a lot of his really like rude posts and Tweets.
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  We're like like, you know, rest in peace, he did die in.
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  That is sad, but apparently, he was one of those people who
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  thought that, if he could net himself a beautiful white woman
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  that made him a better person than everybody else.
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  You know, and it's kind of crappy to treat your partner to
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  put them on a pedestal like that it's not fair to the person
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  who's being idolized but it's also real crappy.
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  When every opportunity you get you trash talk every other group
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  of women, right? Yeah.
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  So like he couldn't just be like, wow, I really love my
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  girlfriend. It would be like I can't stand
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  black girls, blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
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  And I'm like, dude, nobody asked you like the such a, it's such a
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  weird thing. And a lot of people Like a lot
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  of do do this online and I'm just like love who you love.
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  You ain't got a tear everybody else down, right?
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  Like and I gotta I gotta be watching you.
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  I was like that too. And so one of my friends was
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  like, you know, when you say things like real women have
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  curves, it kind of makes me feel sad.
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  And I was like, oh dang, I thought this was just you know,
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  like the fat girl, you know, acceptance Rockall not thinking
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  that like you know, all women are real women, doesn't matter
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  what you look like, you know, This is true, my best friends.
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  And so I adjusted the way that I speak about certain things, like
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  I like, what I like, and I will say that I, like the things that
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  I like, but I'll need to talk about things.
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  I don't like, but regardless. So, that's how he popped up on
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  my timeline. And then when I looked him up, I
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  saw the TMZ article but like so, where is home girl?
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  Right now, I'm guessing some police station, or at least she
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  got booked and bail or something.
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  Okay, so here's the story. Birdie so miss Courtney, you
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  know, she was the team Are police station, you know, after,
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  you know, she was after the stabbing and, you know, they
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  found her and stuff like that after a while.
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  You know, she started saying that, you know, she's sort of
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  saying, you know, IMA kill myself.
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  I'm gonna I'm gonna live myself stuff like that.
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  Well, it's okay, we're not on Tick-Tock, you can actually
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  hear. It's just on other platforms, we
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  have to come up with creative ways to say killed yourself,
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  right? Right.
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  Anti bullying. And Apparently in Florida, there
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  is an act that protects people. I don't, I don't say, you forget
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  me. It protects people obviously
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  like okay and it's called The Baker Act.
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  Okay? Well and it allows law
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  enforcement as well as doctors mental health professionals and
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  judges to commit a person to a mental health treatment center
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  for up to 72 hours. If it's hurting violent or
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  Suicidal Tendencies. These are displayed.
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  Okay so she's on a she's on what you call it I guess.
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  Suicide watch mandatory hold. Yeah, there you go.
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  Okay and this happened a couple okay but this was last Friday.
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  So it's been a week. 72 hours is less than a week where she now
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  Brian. It's I think she's still at the
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  end. She's still at the mental
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  institution. Oh, come on.
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  He's still there. She's dead.
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  Okay. She was just, she probably does
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  need mental health care. She just stabbed a man but like
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  Um, okay so she's not he hasn't been arraigned.
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  No. So she was detained on April
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  3rd. It did.
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  Oh wait. Okay.
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  So this actually was it last week?
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  This was today's the day. Yeah.
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  Okay. So it's been five days since
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  this happened. Yeah.
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  But so she's you know it's still holding on to her.
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  Yeah, it's funny because it says that her content was still
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  upload it on the fourth after she was a team.
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  I mean, you can schedule post to be update.
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  Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, it's a thing that can happen.
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  Like so at the moment she's a Not face any charges for her
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  boyfriend's. Death at all or his murder.
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  Okay. I mean, okay and like is that's
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  the thing that when I saw his I was like, what the fuck you
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  talking about it? She like obviously killed him.
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  Why is Sheena might get charges once she gets out of the suicide
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  watch. Yeah, it just it just like when
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  I saw it, I was like Here we go again.
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  That's wild and listen like I know that the majority of our
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  listeners are women and I'm sure a lot of you are white women.
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  So obviously, I'm not talking about you.
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  But historically relationships with white women and black men
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  have not always been the best know.
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  I remember this is a personal story for me.
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  Because I remember like when I was younger or I don't know,
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  start starting to date and you know, and you know, tell him I
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  like him. Okay.
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  Took it. Yeah.
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  Oh no. How would you define that time
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  of your life? I was it was it was like my
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  first girlfriend, my first actual girlfriend, and I was
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  just like, I'm not in love Bubble, blah, own protector of
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  those know, you guys don't know what you're talking about.
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  She was like, cheating on you and stuff.
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  Yeah, I just personally like It's like one of those things I
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  was watching a Lovecraft country last year and it occurred to me,
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  just this pop into my head. While I was watching the show,
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  the people who make our laws right now and grew up during Jim
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  Crow. And makes me feel very
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  uncomfortable and make that their formative years were when
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  it was okay to Lynch somebody. So I think I won't feel like it
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  feels weird to be like, maybe I'll feel better when the
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  boomers are gone. People like, I don't know, but
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  like like, we're still connected to all these times.
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  Historically, were terrible things happen to black people
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  and so I still feel that caution and obviously some people don't
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  Well, like we still live in a world where, you know, if you're
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  cute and blond you can get away with murder so far.
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  I hope she does it. I hope that after they release
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  her she does face the consequences of her actions
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  because him choosing to be in a abusive relationship.
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  Should not have been the end of his life, right?
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  Absolutely. He should have had the
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  opportunity to get out and get help and heard you the same.
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  And, you know, ultimately, when these things happen, everybody
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  involved, the one person's Dead. The other person goes to jail
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  and nothing gets better. And it's sad because he was just
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  like, I guess a week away from turning 28.
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  So it's just life, cut short. Yeah.
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  And the other thing is that this does highlight like you know I
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  make some some silly jokes but this does highlight another
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  situation where her friends said she hits him so he was in a
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  position. He's in a situation where There
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  was no good ending other than him, just walking away.
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  Because if he hits her back he's going to prison as a black man
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  who had a white woman. He does nothing, he ends up
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  dying like the only the only solution here was for him to do
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  the hardest thing to do when you're being abused which is a
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  wave. The person you love.
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  Yeah. You know, I can't be too
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  judgmental there because I went through it myself.
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  So did you But today's case is one, that
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  despite the death toll there, just wasn't a whole lot of
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  information about it. This guy began killing in 1997
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  and he wasn't called, until you were a senior in high school
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  Brian. Oh my God.
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  Yeah, that this happened very much a during our life.
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  Wait, when you were 2006 right? Yeah, that's when I graduated.
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  Yep. He was an outcast, a misfit.
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  But he also went under the radar for about nine years.
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  If I say the name, Ronald Dominique.
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  Does that mean anything to you? Really, that's okay.
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  His other name was the Bay, you the Bayou Strangler.
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  It's been a little over a year since I discuss any killers from
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  Louisiana and I got to be really honest.
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  I need a break from the very confusing criss-crossing,
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  killers of California. The last three cases
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  inadvertently. Like there were just crisscross
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  over and cases on happening. Concurrently just Count,
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  covering California, Killers is stressful.
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  So today we're going to talk about a guy that no one really
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  expected much from. Well Louisiana obviously got a
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  little bit more than they bargained.
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  For Ronald Joseph, Dominique was born, January 9th 1964, had a
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  very small town in Louisiana called Thibodeau.
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  He was one of six children Thibodeau is a really small town
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  than and even now it only has 15,000 people who live there
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  today. Ronald grew.
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  Like he was born right on the cusp of change in the entire
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  country. But he was a poor white kid from
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  a poor, white family, in a trailer park and a poverty
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  stricken town. So, hmm.
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  Change change, what's happened in other places?
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  Now, his immediate childhood wasn't traumatic, there's
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  absolutely nothing that pops up in any of the history books.
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  But sometime during Elementary School to rumors, began to
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  circulate and both of them were pretty terrible.
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  The first one was that there was incest going on in the Dominique
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  household and that Ronald had walked in on his mother and one
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  of his brothers. The other was that Ronald told
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  his parents that a priest, molested him and his parents
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  didn't believe him. And of course we all learned
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  decades later, but across the country, the Catholic church had
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  conspired. You're too high pedophilia when
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  it was in its ranks, right? So it's plausible that this did
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  happen to him when he was small. And if you're wondering why I
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  haven't mentioned a lots of his brothers or sisters or even his
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  mother and father by name, I have no less than 10 resources
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  for this week, and they don't mention his family's names
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  really, which lets me know that these people don't want to be
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  known, huh? Occasionally, a name of a sister
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  or a brother pops up later on in the story.
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  But like, apparently people did not want to be known as being
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  connected to this man. Now, the incest rumors and the
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  molestation are huge part of his childhood in pre-adolescence,
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  and they definitely have Bay are probably the first time he was
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  introduced to the concepts of sex and sexual deviancy, which
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  didn't help him grow up better. And he walked his way into
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  adolescence feeling inadequate and I can adequate and
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  struggling with his appearance and the beginning feelings of
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  homosexuality, He was a weird kid and there was an air of
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  absurdity about him. Like when you talk to Ronald, he
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  was always putting on a little show for anyone watching.
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  This was him trying to like Trying to find a way to kind of
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  mitigate the bullying make people laugh.
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  Using the Glee Club he sang in choir.
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  And that behavior was enough for his peers to label him as gay.
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  What really, uh-huh. What I was supposed to be the
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  Glee Club when I was nice. Okay, okay.
• 24:25
  He never did anyone openly and he was actively hiding any
• 24:30
  homosexuality from his peers but it did not matter. he did the
• 24:37
  painful process of masking hilly, really was to appear in
• 24:40
  normal and the other Factor was that even without people calling
• 24:45
  him gay, he was also overweight and he didn't exactly, Look
• 24:50
  good. He had meddling grades and he
• 24:54
  graduated from Thibodaux High School in 1983.
• 24:58
  Now, he kind of played with the concept of college for a bit and
• 25:02
  running and rolls and nickel State University and Thibodeau.
• 25:05
  For computer science. Ronald did not focus on school
• 25:08
  at all. He was enchanted by the openly
• 25:12
  gay population of students and all the different organizations
• 25:16
  he could join. It was okay to be out at school.
• 25:21
  Well, not quite the gay community in Louisiana wasn't
• 25:25
  its egg form, very small and a very specific type of person
• 25:32
  that they was allowed to be out and proud.
• 25:37
  And I'll just be blunt. There's a word that I want to
• 25:40
  use here that I know gay folks have reclaimed, but I'll know if
• 25:43
  it's a my word to reclaim since I'm not a queer man.
• 25:47
  So I'm going to just say that these are very hot young studs
• 25:50
  who are skinny And people who are gay, will know the word that
• 25:55
  I mean, okay. And other people just know that
• 26:00
  these the kind of guys who talk about their thin, they're like
• 26:04
  fit their law on the shorter side and definitely hot since
• 26:12
  the people who were allowed who know who were it were more out,
• 26:15
  we're definitely not the chubby awkward singers.
• 26:20
  So Ronald did not find his tribe.
• 26:24
  And in fact, he was very off-putting to many of the folks
• 26:27
  in the community who met him. Like during his first year at
• 26:31
  school, they had like a Pride Celebration and he like did a
• 26:35
  Patti LaBelle impression and everybody was like this is
• 26:41
  weird. He was he was doing like
• 26:43
  cross-dressing try to do drag at the local gay clubs and nobody
• 26:47
  who promised it at all. He actually stopped hanging out
• 26:52
  with the gay kids and stopped hanging out with anybody.
• 26:55
  You got it assessed with like making crank calls from his
• 26:59
  house. And on June 12th 1985 he was
• 27:02
  charged with telephone harassment.
• 27:07
  It was a seventy five dollar, fine, and he was warned to stop
• 27:11
  calling people and being creepy and sexual on the phone.
• 27:14
  Who know? That's not a prank call.
• 27:16
  The he know. That's why I said it was
• 27:19
  telephone harassment. He was calling people and being
• 27:22
  nasty. Oh my God.
• 27:25
  Now, back in the trailer park, though, he was beloved by his
• 27:27
  neighbor's, he crafted this public Persona of being the
• 27:29
  super nice guy, he volunteered with the elderly help, anybody,
• 27:32
  who asks he never really found his footing, though.
• 27:36
  He worked odd jobs. Obviously lives in a double-wide
• 27:38
  with his mom and sister until he could afford his own and pretty
• 27:42
  much all of his adult life was like this.
• 27:45
  Now Ronald did do drugs and he also sold drugs to make extra
• 27:48
  money that's actually the first time.
• 27:53
  So the first time, he was reported to the police in
• 27:56
  regards to sexual crimes was in 1993.
• 27:59
  A local Drifter went to the police and said that Ronald
• 28:02
  raped him at gunpoint. He said he met Ronald about two
• 28:06
  days before the attacks, they discussed a we buy.
• 28:09
  He went around Taos and he said that run was real antsy and kept
• 28:12
  saying, he want to show him where his stash was.
• 28:14
  So he was like, just waiting this room and then I'll tell
• 28:17
  you, I'm ready. And so he was like, I'm ready
• 28:19
  and then like he walked into the guy.
• 28:21
  So the guy walks in Reynolds bathroom.
• 28:23
  And there was a gun in his face, he said that Ronald cuffed him
• 28:27
  removed, his clothes and raped him.
• 28:28
  Then he took off the handcuffs and told the guy to get out of
• 28:31
  his house. This would have seemed like an
• 28:35
  open-and-shut case, right? But in 1993, the police and
• 28:39
  Thibodeaux had never had a case of a rare, a man raping another
• 28:44
  man, and this is went in his 70s still, right?
• 28:49
  Well, no. Now we're in 1993, all 93.
• 28:51
  Okay, so, I mean, even still like the police.
• 28:54
  They're just little bigger in 93, but everything's not San
• 28:58
  Francisco. Yeah.
• 28:59
  So, unless a cops in the 90s or whenever there's Just like a
• 29:04
  little. Yeah, if you don't touching gay
• 29:07
  scenes, a crime scene, they didn't do anything.
• 29:14
  Ronald fell back. Things were really low-key.
• 29:20
  He just did, he went, he did odd jobs and then He went home, he
• 29:26
  drank a lot of alcohol. The next time he gets in trouble
• 29:30
  is May of 1984, he gets a DWI again, only a fine.
• 29:39
  Now the next big moment and Ronald will consider this to be
• 29:44
  one of the most poignant of his life.
• 29:46
  But August 25th. 1996, a half-naked young guy jumps out
• 29:50
  of the window of the trailer and runs to the neighbors and says
• 29:53
  that Ronald tried to rape and kill him.
• 29:56
  He said he'd been tied up held at knifepoint and raped.
• 30:00
  The police may not have been well versed in dealing with male
• 30:02
  rape cases, but they sure knew what to do with an attempted
• 30:05
  murder and he was arrested in his bail, was set at 100
• 30:07
  thousand dollars, there you go. I guess that that works that
• 30:11
  works. Now while awaiting trial, Ronald
• 30:15
  is left in gen pop and brutally raped on a near constant basis
• 30:20
  in prison frequently having to go to the infirmary from
• 30:24
  beatings, having his rectum stitched from how bad the
• 30:29
  assaults were. Ronald said after he was caught
• 30:34
  later on, that prison was when he decided that he was never
• 30:37
  going back to jail and that he was going to kill the next
• 30:41
  person. He raped to make sure he didn't
• 30:43
  go back. Wow.
• 30:48
  So that happened in May of 96 rate.
• 30:50
  So, by November of 96 he's just getting raped like every day in
• 30:54
  prison and the prosecution is trying to put together a case.
• 30:59
  And finally the judge is just like you can't keep this man in
• 31:02
  prison indefinitely and the prosecutor is just like we can't
• 31:06
  find the victim. The kid was gone.
• 31:10
  They couldn't even prove his identity based on the
• 31:12
  information that he had told to the police, the day that he told
• 31:17
  them. That Ronald had raped him.
• 31:19
  Well no victim. There's no trialed.
• 31:22
  Ronald is released. He left prison a better man with
• 31:28
  severe resentment toward the justice system.
• 31:31
  He said he'd been wrongly accused and they had allowed him
• 31:34
  to be abused and prison based on lies.
• 31:39
  And he began killing people, nine months after his release.
• 31:44
  David Mitchell was 19 years old on July 13th. 1997, when he went
• 31:48
  missing, he was this really vibrant.
• 31:51
  Happy guy. Who was last seen at a family
• 31:54
  birthday party when he didn't make it to work the following
• 31:57
  Monday. People were alarmed, David
• 32:00
  worked at the st. Charles Parish Hospital, and he
• 32:03
  loved his job, and he was never late didn't matter if he had a
• 32:08
  hard party and weekend before and he was hungover.
• 32:13
  He was always on time. David's boss called his mom and
• 32:18
  his mom called his sister. And the two were actually like
• 32:22
  roommates, they were living together.
• 32:24
  And so the sister went to her brother's room and she was just
• 32:26
  like his uniform and his hospital.
• 32:27
  His Hospital ID are still in the house.
• 32:29
  So now here's the worst thing that happened.
• 32:33
  Okay. The family is it's like what the
• 32:36
  following Monday the family is freaking out there calling
• 32:40
  people to trying to figure. They're contacting his friends
• 32:42
  before the police could contact the family.
• 32:45
  A news report pops on TV, detailing the death of a young
• 32:49
  black man found on Interstate 310.
• 32:52
  His pants were pulled down and he'd been strangled.
• 32:55
  The news actually showed the body.
• 32:58
  Oh my God. And David's sister saw his
• 33:04
  corpse live on television. That is wild.
• 33:08
  Excuse me. That's wild.
• 33:12
  He had been severely, beaten, and strangled and The family was
• 33:17
  traumatized, obviously. Yeah, I said that based on the
• 33:22
  image on scream, it looked like he'd been screaming when he
• 33:25
  died. Damn, the Mitchell Family
• 33:29
  wouldn't learn what actually happened to him until 2006,
• 33:35
  Ronald would tell the police that he met David at a gay bar,
• 33:38
  but that this wasn't consensual by any means.
• 33:41
  He said that Ronald could convey.
• 33:43
  Ronald said, he convince David to leave the bar under false A
• 33:45
  pretense probably to smoke and then when they were away from
• 33:49
  people, Ronald raped, him strangled, him dumped him on the
• 33:51
  side of the road. After the first kill Ronald laid
• 33:56
  low, it was all over the news and despite the fact that he
• 34:00
  wasn't a suspect, he was still a little worried.
• 34:04
  He waited as long as he could before, he could strike.
• 34:06
  Again, that was five months. His next victim was Gary Pierre,
• 34:11
  right before Christmas. Same Mo meet the guy in the bar
• 34:15
  convince him to leave somehow go somewhere.
• 34:18
  Quiet overpower. The thinner smaller black man,
• 34:22
  rape and strangle him. So Gary was discovered, December
• 34:27
  14th 1977 and st. Charles Parish even less is
• 34:31
  known about Larry Ranson which is very close to my last day in
• 34:36
  letter. He was 38 and he died.
• 34:42
  July 31st, 1998's s77. I meant 97.
• 34:52
  I wrote it wrong in my notes. So that so Gary was 97 he wait,
• 34:57
  another six months. Now we have or seven.
• 35:00
  Wait six yeah to kill Larry. The issue with that was with the
• 35:08
  police Learned was that like before Larry the killers were
• 35:11
  all like early twenties teens. So with Larry now they realized
• 35:16
  okay well this person doesn't have any age range.
• 35:20
  The only thing that's consistent is that they're all skinny short
• 35:24
  black eyes. The police were still not taking
• 35:28
  the case of seriously though because the victims Were Gay and
• 35:30
  the media didn't really latch onto it either.
• 35:33
  Now, throughout the next almost decade two, detectives are going
• 35:37
  to take a personal stake in this case.
• 35:39
  Then it's Thornton and Dawn Burger on they were both
• 35:42
  detectives with Advanced degrees a solid understanding of the
• 35:45
  streets. Louisiana, and most importantly,
• 35:47
  they didn't have any Prejudice towards gay men.
• 35:50
  The two of them were going to begin to follow these cases from
• 35:53
  1988 until the end and they're kind of the heroes of the story,
• 35:56
  but before we can get to how it was solved, unfortunately.
• 36:00
  There's a lot more victims. The big, the first big victim of
• 36:06
  this case was Oliver. Ah, Lila Banks.
• 36:09
  He was the first that was widely publicized and attached to the
• 36:13
  name of the beige Strangler. The now the media said that he
• 36:17
  was a Drifter and transient, but he really wasn't, like, he had a
• 36:21
  stable relationship with a girlfriend.
• 36:23
  He worked at the new dog trick Cafe.
• 36:25
  He had children who he took care of, he visited them gave them
• 36:28
  money for their care. He was close friends with his
• 36:31
  boss, Mar Paulson and I said that Ali was a really valued
• 36:35
  member of the team but unfortunately had a pretty
• 36:39
  serious drug problem and that she had to fire him right before
• 36:42
  he went missing getting fired really just made Ali depressed
• 36:48
  and there was sort of a downward spiral that eventually led him
• 36:51
  to Ronald. Now at this point, it's late
• 36:55
  1998 and so Ronald moves from his smaller town area to the
• 37:00
  French Quarter in New Orleans. So, Where Ronald lives is like a
• 37:08
  suburb. Of New Orleans with New Orleans
• 37:14
  being, this massive Hub with lots of people that travel and
• 37:18
  move through their right. By October of 1998, Ronald is
• 37:27
  also actively hunting, like he is going to work on the daytime
• 37:33
  and then leaving and heading to French Quarter at night.
• 37:38
  Ali needed money for his drug habit but also to survive.
• 37:43
  Sometimes Ali would pick pocket Taurus because millions of
• 37:47
  people come through Nola every year, right?
• 37:50
  He would sell some drugs, he would hustle, and occasionally.
• 37:54
  There was some some gay for pay. Actually, on the night that he
• 37:59
  went missing October 3rd 1988, he was out with his friends, a
• 38:02
  couple of gay friends, having a good time, his brother was
• 38:05
  there, too. And his brother was just like,
• 38:07
  why are you with these people and doing this and all, he's
• 38:10
  just like, listen, sometimes you meet some older gay guys who are
• 38:16
  willing to pay for the younger gay guys.
• 38:20
  She's like, it's not that serious.
• 38:22
  It's just how I make a little money here.
• 38:23
  And there, his brothers like, all right, but But I'm, I'm
• 38:29
  gonna go home since y'all are heading to the gay club for the
• 38:32
  rest of the night. Hey, it's still Club.
• 38:36
  You can go there and party who's gonna try to pick you up?
• 38:40
  His brother, was trying to pick up somebody to get some cash so
• 38:43
  because the older brother want anything to do with that.
• 38:46
  Got you got you got you Ali was about 27.
• 38:52
  Ali more than likely saw. The sad rattled as a potential
• 38:57
  Mark at the bar. The Rawhide and Ronald saw him
• 39:01
  as a thin young black man, he could kill.
• 39:07
  When the two went like one likely Ali approached him and
• 39:10
  Ronald made him know, he had cash, the two left the club
• 39:13
  together. Ronald said they could hook up
• 39:15
  in his car and that it was close.
• 39:17
  But in reality he had parked pretty far away.
• 39:21
  Now according to Ronald, he told Ali just to rub his thing on
• 39:27
  him. Despite the fact that Ronald
• 39:31
  Dominique was like a very grown man, the way that he talked in
• 39:34
  the police interviews and stuff is very childlike.
• 39:37
  And some ways like about sex, it was very weird, very good.
• 39:41
  And he said, yeah, he said that, Ali tried to penetrate him and
• 39:44
  that it made him mad, and he took a tire iron and be all I to
• 39:47
  death before he actually killed him.
• 39:51
  Then he strangled Ali, who was already unconscious, He told the
• 39:55
  police that he let out a lot of the pent-up rage from when he
• 39:58
  was in prison and then he dragged Ali's body into his
• 40:01
  station wagon and dumped him and overpass under the three time.
• 40:05
  The police found Ali October 5th 1998.
• 40:08
  No, shoot, no shirt shoes. And his pants were around his
• 40:11
  ankles. This will become very consistent
• 40:13
  with every victim. Ali was ID because he had a
• 40:16
  prior history of petty. Theft, his older brother.
• 40:19
  Michael was pretty sad because he been the last to see his
• 40:23
  brother alive. I knew exactly what his brother
• 40:25
  was going to do, which was dangerous.
• 40:28
  Hmm, he related this to the police and Dennis Thornton ended
• 40:32
  up getting the case. He went to the bar and talk to
• 40:35
  everybody, he could but no one remembered who Ali left the bar.
• 40:39
  With now, Dennis Thornton was the one to make the connection
• 40:43
  between olly Mitchell Gary and Larry, all of these victims have
• 40:47
  been dumped me in the 310 Highway.
• 40:50
  They also discovered another weird similarity.
• 40:53
  No fibers on On the bodies. No fingerprints no hair and no
• 40:58
  DNA. As at this point that they
• 41:01
  contacted the FBI and ask for a profile.
• 41:05
  Unfortunately this was there is limited information and the FBI
• 41:08
  was just like he's going to be poor white with virtually no
• 41:12
  education. And while this did describe
• 41:15
  Ronald, it also described a million other men in Louisiana.
• 41:21
  So as the police are trying to learn about the by Strangler,
• 41:25
  Ronald goes to his job at st. Charles Parish maintenance as if
• 41:28
  nothing happened. The one thing that they do find
• 41:33
  our Ali's body are a few. Like when I say a few like,
• 41:37
  under 10 hairs and they're able to determine that, these are
• 41:41
  definitely the hairs of a Caucasian person.
• 41:46
  This is the first time out of all four murders that they got
• 41:49
  any kind of DNA evidence. Dinosaur.
• 41:56
  Denise based on the dump sites that the Killer's safe space is
• 42:00
  near the airport and Ronald did live.
• 42:03
  Thirteen point five miles from the New Orleans International
• 42:05
  Airport. Two weeks later, the detectives
• 42:08
  are called to see the remains of 16 year old Joseph Brown, just
• 42:12
  like Ali he's found shoeless shirtless and with his pants
• 42:15
  pulled down, this was more than alarming for Thornton because he
• 42:19
  could barely get a handle on it and like he's collected evidence
• 42:23
  on this case and then Bruce Williams is has found November
• 42:26
  27th 1998 less than a month after Joseph.
• 42:30
  Same Parish where they're looking for information on Ali
• 42:33
  and Joseph. Now he was able to get more
• 42:35
  information about Bruce who was 18 years old and very well known
• 42:39
  in the French Quarter. No, well-known enough at the
• 42:41
  locals were worried when he just disappeared.
• 42:46
  He also had been raped and even though Thornton was open-minded
• 42:49
  about gay people, he had never experienced so much like male on
• 42:54
  male rape in a case he was just like this doesn't happen.
• 43:00
  So because these crimes happened to the last to happen, closer to
• 43:03
  the French Quarter that put them in a different County.
• 43:07
  And so New Orleans PD, reach out to FBI for a profile, that's
• 43:12
  Jefferson Parish Jefferson. Parish gets a response to this
• 43:15
  has a little bit more information.
• 43:17
  White, male, mid-30s, probable, High School, Dropout,
• 43:21
  difficulty, with social skills, which unfortunately, is the norm
• 43:25
  for like most serial killers. However, the feds confirm what
• 43:33
  Thornton believe, which is that the Kill Zone shows that he
• 43:36
  lives near the airport and that this is his safe Zone.
• 43:39
  He like some killer specifically kill outside of where they live,
• 43:44
  but that's not Ronald. Ronald is picking places.
• 43:48
  Very close to where he lives. Now, one thing that the cops and
• 43:52
  the FEDS are confused about as at this crimes intra-racial.
• 43:57
  Most crime happens within pretty segregated racial communities.
• 44:03
  That's why most black people get mad.
• 44:05
  When you hear black on black crime, most crime is white on
• 44:08
  white black on black. Like because we even though
• 44:11
  integration happened in America, we still live in pretty
• 44:15
  segregated Community. Great, we check we stay.
• 44:19
  And so we've had like racist serial killers that were trying
• 44:23
  to further the Aryan Nation agenda and their own way, but
• 44:27
  that's not what this That's because people who are killing
• 44:30
  to, you know, cleanse the human population are not having sex
• 44:34
  with those victims, sex crimes, usually happen with those
• 44:37
  closely segregated groups, there are very few power and control
• 44:42
  sex killers that kill interracially.
• 44:45
  Honestly, I can only think of the other one is Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 44:49
  Yes, that's that's all I thought of brought it up.
• 44:53
  Yep. Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 44:55
  Also had a thing for black men. I've personally, I will he also
• 44:59
  loved a man of color. He also kills couple Asian men,
• 45:02
  too. But personally, it's something
• 45:05
  I've wondered because I wonder if the Look specifically with
• 45:13
  the Dahmer case, I wondered if he was sexually fetishizing his
• 45:16
  victims. So it wasn't that it was a
• 45:19
  fetish. See, I just thought like when I
• 45:24
  heard it it was just like he was hunting in his area, that was
• 45:27
  his area. And that's where he lived in.
• 45:30
  These were two men that were readily available to him.
• 45:36
  I think in the case with Ronald, though, he may have been raped
• 45:39
  by black men in prison and he was taking out his frustration
• 45:42
  on black man that he could dominate member because he's up,
• 45:48
  he's not like a tall guy but he's a big guy like and rotund.
• 45:53
  He's going after new skinny small, black m somebody that in
• 45:58
  any situation he can get a handle on them and like knock
• 46:01
  them down. So Ronald takes a break.
• 46:07
  Rather odd considering it seems like he was about to ramp up.
• 46:12
  I mean he we were getting two weeks apart one month apart,
• 46:16
  right. The next next murder doesn't
• 46:18
  happen until May 30th. 1999 that was Manuel read.
• 46:23
  He was 21 years old, like all the other victims men and well
• 46:26
  was slim black, but something changed this time.
• 46:30
  His body was put inside of a dumpster.
• 46:34
  Ronald, with testify later that he met Manuel at a local bar,
• 46:37
  proposition him for sex, and then took me awhile to a station
• 46:40
  wagon. Ronald said that they Fooled
• 46:42
  Around and that fooling around was defined as Mutual fellatio.
• 46:47
  And then Ronald said that Manuel pushed him down and entered him.
• 46:52
  And of course, he grabbed his tire iron and beat Manuel and
• 46:54
  strangle him afterward. This Probably sounds familiar,
• 46:57
  doesn't it? Exactly like what he said about
• 47:00
  the other guy? Yeah.
• 47:01
  Yeah. Which made the people that were
• 47:03
  executing this think that he was in a fantasy.
• 47:08
  When this happened, this fantasy of him, taking back, you know,
• 47:12
  his his pride, from what happened to him and present
• 47:16
  because Manuel was also raped. But in this, the story that
• 47:22
  Ronald told he didn't see that happened.
• 47:28
  So part of these unfortunately we only get like a partial bit
• 47:33
  of closure with him being honest about some of these murders
• 47:36
  because he's a little bit delusional.
• 47:40
  One month later June thirtieth nineteen ninety two, twenty
• 47:44
  one-year-old Angel mayhaw was found laying in front of a
• 47:46
  dumpster. Angel was another black man
• 47:49
  struggling and doing what he could to make ends meet and had
• 47:52
  a bad run of luck meeting Ronald as one of his clients.
• 47:56
  Angela's victim. Number 8.
• 47:59
  Now, interestingly enough. One thing happens here.
• 48:03
  Angel dies and the media suddenly becomes very interested
• 48:07
  in this case. The copper of the Baton Rouge
• 48:11
  Advocate newspaper in blazing with bold.
• 48:14
  Black letters, shoeless body could be work of serial killer.
• 48:19
  For some reason, the media fixates on the fact that all of
• 48:22
  these victims are met, or a lot of the victims are missing
• 48:25
  shoes, and then they start writing in the newspapers that
• 48:28
  all of the victims are missing shoes.
• 48:31
  Why did it take you so long to mention that?
• 48:34
  Well, one, it wasn't true but to I just think it's really
• 48:37
  interesting because I would have assumed that the papers would
• 48:39
  have been like, can we talk about this whole gay murder
• 48:42
  thing happening? I guess, I guess that.
• 48:46
  Nope, no article after article about victims, missing shoes.
• 48:52
  And if this was the killer signature, But it wasn't true.
• 48:58
  Well, no not all of them are missing shoes.
• 49:00
  I think that the shoes just fell off as he was dragging, their
• 49:02
  bodies around his once he was done with them, he didn't
• 49:06
  particularly care. So it's not like a trophy
• 49:09
  thingy, take their shoes and then like put him in his closet
• 49:13
  or something like that. No, the murders didn't happen at
• 49:15
  the dump site today more than likely got lost in the process.
• 49:18
  Right? Okay.
• 49:20
  Now the wait for the next kill is two months.
• 49:22
  This is Mitchell Johnson. He's 34 a bit older than the
• 49:25
  others but Ronald Tell the police later that Mitchell was
• 49:28
  just his type Mitchell was well-built lean muscle and he
• 49:32
  was dumped just a few feet away from where Ali was dumped in the
• 49:37
  middle of the August, heat in New Orleans.
• 49:42
  This was a move Rife with arrogance.
• 49:46
  The police weren't sure if he was stupid or if he was taunting
• 49:49
  them. For not being able to find him.
• 49:51
  Ronald would later tell the police he made the body dumps so
• 49:56
  public because he wanted the recognition Using Ali's dump
• 50:02
  site was, so they knew it was him and he'd be able to watch
• 50:04
  them cover the case. Oh, Now the autopsy comes back
• 50:11
  like all the others raped and strangled, but there were
• 50:13
  Witnesses this time who had seen Mitchell in the city of Jenner,
• 50:17
  and they remembered seeing a weird.
• 50:19
  Chubby white guy with a receding hairline and puffy cheeks who
• 50:23
  was cruising the area. Now, for people who don't know,
• 50:26
  cruising kind of came up during like the early days of gay
• 50:29
  stuff, which is when it was illegal for gay clubs and
• 50:33
  lounges to exist. So, when gay guys wanted to find
• 50:37
  somebody to hook up with they went And so they would go to a
• 50:41
  place, that was only known among gay people to look for other gay
• 50:44
  men, as gay clubs expanded and cruising spots declined, it
• 50:51
  exists in more of a modern term as looking for prostitutes.
• 50:57
  And so essentially, if he's cruising, he's looking for folks
• 51:01
  who are willing to pay to play, Sketch though.
• 51:08
  We get the first sketch November of 1989 the hairline the round
• 51:12
  face and the cheeks. Make for a very distinctive
• 51:15
  sketch. It was on every newspaper.
• 51:17
  Coincidentally Ronald abruptly, quit his job, packed up his
• 51:20
  mobile home and moved to the town of Hama, which is about 58
• 51:24
  miles away, and very south in Louisiana right into the Gulf of
• 51:28
  Mexico. He requested to park his mobile
• 51:31
  home on his sister. Laney and her husband's property
• 51:35
  that she didn't mind. She had seen her brother in a
• 51:37
  while. While since she's moved out of
• 51:38
  the area, he told her he was just looking for a change but
• 51:43
  how much was just as poor as the town of boot?
• 51:47
  And so he hadn't really changed in terms of where he was living.
• 51:50
  Just another small, poor town. So, Ronald gets a job working at
• 51:54
  Cairo produce and he's a stellar employee.
• 51:57
  No, write-ups, to attendance issues.
• 51:59
  He perfected, the personality of being the nice guy, who helps
• 52:02
  everyone that everybody forgets about.
• 52:04
  He took every shift from his co-workers needed, he did what
• 52:07
  he did. Fast outside of murder and that
• 52:09
  was become invisible. Most people aren't checking for
• 52:13
  the portly guy who silently bags, your groceries and nods
• 52:15
  his head. One of the most interesting
• 52:19
  things though was that if Ronald had stopped killing right now,
• 52:23
  it is very likely that the beige Strangler murders would have
• 52:26
  never been solved. But obviously, he did not stop
• 52:33
  because serial killers are addicts?
• 52:36
  23 year-old Mitchell. Vincent went missing New Year's
• 52:39
  Eve 1999. Now Mitchell was an Old Pro in
• 52:44
  terms of being in criminal. He went by a, he had an alias,
• 52:47
  which was Chris Vincent. He was known to look the forced
• 52:51
  Parish PD as someone, who often got caught trading sex for cash.
• 52:55
  He was 57 lean dark skin with a mustache and it Goatee.
• 53:00
  He ever only really gotten into trouble for aggravated battery.
• 53:03
  Otherwise, his record was just misdemeanors and the police
• 53:07
  usually didn't care enough to try and put somebody away for
• 53:10
  something as simple as, you know, two guys trying to bang
• 53:13
  each other. On Jane.
• 53:15
  On January first though. Mitchell was dumped on a barbed
• 53:19
  wire fence on Highway 7 because of the holiday we also have she
• 53:23
  couldn't be done until January 3rd and there was no forensic
• 53:27
  evidence left behind, but there were a couple key.
• 53:30
  Differences, Mitchell have been tied up before he was raped.
• 53:34
  There were also abrasions on his upper, right chest to cuts on
• 53:38
  the lower right side and a small abrasion to his scrotum the cuts
• 53:42
  were confusing until they discovered that he did have
• 53:48
  crack cocaine in his pockets. They wonder if maybe the cuts
• 53:52
  were like a site. To inject incur.
• 54:04
  The abrasions were from him being dragged on the ground so
• 54:08
  they were like, we need to build a task force, this killer is on
• 54:10
  the move, so don Burger on lived in Hama and that's how she and
• 54:18
  Dennis would meet through this task force.
• 54:20
  The problem was, as quickly as the task force is put together,
• 54:24
  it's canceled, because absolutely nothing happens.
• 54:27
  Next Nothing no more murders. Donald just stops for two years.
• 54:39
  For. So they're like listen we can't
• 54:41
  put money towards a case where nothing's happening.
• 54:44
  Yeah so you all go back to your cities and go back to your jobs
• 54:48
  and I guess if he murders again, we'll get back on this.
• 54:52
  Dennis. However could not let that go.
• 54:56
  He started looking at some other cases.
• 54:58
  Now there was a guy in Kansas who had killed 10 people and
• 55:00
  just stopped he called himself. The BTK killer that guy wasn't
• 55:05
  this guy because well then is Raider killed women.
• 55:08
  But the questions Still up in the air, did the bay, you
• 55:11
  stranglers give steeds Dennis started checking every piece of
• 55:14
  information. He could get his hands on to see
• 55:16
  if there were any other thin young, adult black men who were
• 55:20
  raped and strangled anywhere else in the United States and
• 55:24
  mind you. This is all on his own time,
• 55:26
  he's the regular like the police were like, there's nothing you
• 55:31
  can look at. So he's doing his regular police
• 55:34
  work and then on the side, doing his serial killer research.
• 55:41
  Now, Ronald stayed out of the police Limelight until February
• 55:44
  10th 2002. He was at a Mardi, Gras
• 55:46
  celebration and he slapped a woman because he said that she'd
• 55:50
  hit a baby stroller in the parking lot with a car.
• 55:52
  The two argued it got hot and then he hit her.
• 55:57
  Believe it or not, this is really uncommon.
• 55:58
  Usually serial killers who have a criminal past, right?
• 56:04
  But they tend to stay out of the legal system while they are,
• 56:06
  actively killing the police made a deal with Ronald, obviously,
• 56:12
  not realizing that they had the by Strangler and their hands and
• 56:15
  said of a trial. He went to something called The
• 56:17
  Parish offenders program. This was alternative sentencing
• 56:21
  and it was really popular in the early 2000s.
• 56:25
  The idea, Was to keep low level offenders out of prison and save
• 56:29
  space for the rapists and murderers and Drug traffickers.
• 56:31
  Also it saves a lot of money. Ronald put on his nice guy,
• 56:35
  smile and he became the number one offender.
• 56:38
  In the program, he meant all conditions and was released in
• 56:43
  October of 2002. Now during his break, Ronald
• 56:46
  continue his work at the produce store but he took a second job
• 56:50
  at Domino's Which means there are people who are alive, who
• 56:54
  got their pizza delivered, by the bay you Strangler.
• 56:57
  Oh my God, having two jobs did take up most of his time and it
• 57:02
  did keep him from crime in on the weekends.
• 57:05
  He volunteered the Lions Club, he called Bingo numbers for the
• 57:08
  senior citizens, he had turned himself into a model citizen.
• 57:13
  The problem was, of course that by.
• 57:15
  Now, Ronald love the sex but he loved killing more.
• 57:20
  He had a taste for the blood and that the cops weren't sticking
• 57:23
  around him. He decided that he wanted the
• 57:26
  opportunity to be with his kills, a little longer.
• 57:30
  He had discovered all kinds of places in how Mama as a pizza
• 57:35
  delivery driver. So he settled on an empty.
• 57:39
  Open area with the unknowing help of his brother-in-law.
• 57:43
  Sam Trimble Sam worked at a shipyard and Ronald was like
• 57:48
  that is the perfect place. Ace.
• 57:50
  So with all that extra money that he was bringing in, he
• 57:53
  bought a second smaller trailer and drove it to a field near the
• 57:58
  shipyard. And that was when he started
• 58:01
  hunting again. This time though, he was like, I
• 58:05
  didn't care if they were gay or straight, I'd offer them drugs
• 58:08
  or sex just to get them into my car.
• 58:10
  Oh wow, his next victim with Kenneth Fitzgerald.
• 58:13
  Randolph jr. He was 20 years old, born and
• 58:16
  raised in beyou blue. Interestingly enough, despite
• 58:19
  all the cruising that Ronald was doing looking for victims, he
• 58:22
  ended up picking up somebody who lived only a couple of blocks
• 58:25
  away from him, but this wasn't suspicious because Kenneth had a
• 58:32
  real bad criminal past. The other things that were
• 58:35
  different with this one was that Kenneth was about 510 150
• 58:38
  pounds, so taller and a little bit bigger than the guys who run
• 58:43
  up normally when, after so death, but it's tight.
• 58:47
  Not the norm. Also, very young, if he said
• 58:50
  that man, in his 30s were more his type, but Kenneth had first
• 58:54
  gotten in trouble for having sex with a minor and he was arrested
• 58:58
  for carnal knowledge of a child, then he got criminal damage of
• 59:02
  property and then he got arrested again for sex with a
• 59:07
  child and spent a year in prison where he got released and walked
• 59:12
  right into the waiting arms of Ronald Dominique.
• 59:15
  So Kenneth the pedophile met up with Ronald the serial killer
• 59:21
  They found Candace body in the sugar, cane fields of Lafourche
• 59:24
  Parish October 6, 2002. He was completely nude and even
• 59:29
  though it hadn't been there for very long, decomp is very fast
• 59:32
  and the Louisiana climate. The killer had posed this body.
• 59:37
  So that his butt was lifted up in the air and he was face down.
• 59:41
  Just like all the others though. He had been strangled and raped
• 59:44
  and just like Mitchell Vincent. He had been tied up while he was
• 59:48
  alive and choked Twice first with a rope.
• 59:53
  And then by hand, they wrote this down the choking, obviously
• 59:58
  meant something important to the killer.
• 1:00:00
  What I think is that he probably needed the Rope. to do it
• 1:00:06
  because Kenneth was a bigger guy, a rope, the Rope, probably,
• 1:00:11
  he probably did it from behind and he choked him until he
• 1:00:14
  passed out and then because he needed the to get him off, he
• 1:00:19
  did it by hand, so that he could get the thrill of the killing
• 1:00:23
  from that, but that he wasn't able to hold Kenneth down, Being
• 1:00:30
  that this was a bigger guy than right retail.
• 1:00:36
  Even though we have all these murders, FEI Yue Strangler
• 1:00:39
  doesn't make the prep because the u.s. is currently embroiled
• 1:00:43
  in the war in the Middle East. So the u.s.
• 1:00:47
  Press is obsessed with conversations about that Kansas
• 1:00:50
  has the country's ear as far as serial.
• 1:00:52
  Killers go. Nobody seemed to really care
• 1:00:55
  about Terrebonne Parish except for a couple loan cops, who were
• 1:00:59
  bothered by this? Dude's Brazen Behavior.
• 1:01:02
  He's like he is really ballsy. Here.
• 1:01:06
  Oh my God. Six days later rods on the hunt.
• 1:01:09
  Again, Anoka Jones is the next victor victim now Anoka was 26
• 1:01:14
  and he had a pretty hard life of being poor and doing crime to
• 1:01:17
  get by. He had been arrested multiple
• 1:01:20
  times throughout his life for Deft and drugs and Battery.
• 1:01:24
  But he had a girlfriend now and he wanted to do right by her.
• 1:01:27
  He wanted to be a good man for Shelly Weston.
• 1:01:30
  They lived in an apartment on Fremont Street and Anoka had
• 1:01:33
  gone out to get some smoke. Oaks he was right on his bike
• 1:01:36
  around 8 p.m. to the local Corner Store.
• 1:01:38
  When Ronald saw him, Now what Witnesses say they saw was that
• 1:01:44
  Noca as he liked to call himself stopped, talk to the guy through
• 1:01:48
  the Wyndham and then drove back home.
• 1:01:51
  Z, he went home. He told Shelly, he loved her and
• 1:01:55
  then he told her, he was going to smoke outside again.
• 1:01:58
  This time, however, Shelly understood, the subtext.
• 1:02:02
  She knew that when he said at this time and meant that he was
• 1:02:04
  going to be gone for a bit doing something that he didn't want
• 1:02:07
  her to know about know, somebody should we doing got it, two
• 1:02:12
  hours later, Ronald was driving around.
• 1:02:14
  How mama with no cos dead body in his backseat.
• 1:02:18
  He drove all the way back home to booth.
• 1:02:21
  And dropped. No.
• 1:02:22
  Cos body on the side of the road of the 310 Highway.
• 1:02:29
  His remains were found on October 13 by a passing police
• 1:02:32
  officer. The Cavalry of course arrived
• 1:02:35
  taking fingerprints from everything and anything they
• 1:02:37
  could find taking all the pictures.
• 1:02:39
  They had his name and address by the afternoon.
• 1:02:42
  October 14th. They arrived at Shelley Weston's
• 1:02:45
  house with a mug shot and she just started crying.
• 1:02:50
  Because she knew that that meant he was probably dead.
• 1:02:54
  That's been gone all night. If like if there's one thing
• 1:02:58
  that bothers me, the most, when you tell me stories about serial
• 1:03:03
  killers is it's it's that like one of their victims ends up
• 1:03:08
  being someone who's trying to get their life together.
• 1:03:11
  You know, they're on the road in order to get their life
• 1:03:13
  together, you're doing this because stuff and then they end
• 1:03:17
  up fucking dead. Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  I mean it's weird because naoko on one hand, he wanted to get
• 1:03:22
  better for this. This new woman in his life, but
• 1:03:25
  on the other hand, The thing that got him killed, was him
• 1:03:28
  trying to do a drug deal with Ronald Dominique.
• 1:03:33
  So he still couldn't leave it behind and unfortunately that
• 1:03:35
  was the thing that got him in the end.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah. That should just breaks my
• 1:03:38
  heart. The police of Lafourche Parish
• 1:03:43
  first looked into the idea that this was a drug murder because
• 1:03:46
  of milk, has known history was selling, but eventually they
• 1:03:49
  ended up connecting it to Dennis Thornton.
• 1:03:51
  It's kind of hilarious. They kind of ambushed him one
• 1:03:54
  day at his police. Precinct with their case and
• 1:03:58
  they were like this is like yours.
• 1:04:03
  He's just in his office and cops from three different parishes
• 1:04:07
  arrived and they all sit down and compare notes and they come
• 1:04:10
  to the same conclusion. It's the same guy.
• 1:04:15
  Now, back in Terrebonne, Parish Ronald decides, it's time to go.
• 1:04:20
  He hooked a little trailer out in the shipyard to his car, a
• 1:04:23
  Sonoma and then he headed out of town.
• 1:04:26
  It was time to find a new place to live and to hunt so between
• 1:04:34
  the last murder. And the one that's coming up a
• 1:04:38
  significant amount of time ends. The next one wouldn't be until
• 1:04:43
  May 24th 2003 and pretty much what happens here is that Ronald
• 1:04:48
  moves back in with his mom and his sister before.
• 1:04:52
  He had like his own trailer and I don't know what he did with
• 1:04:56
  it. I'm like, did he sell it didn't
• 1:04:58
  have too much evidence in it but regardless, pretty much for the
• 1:05:01
  next three years he's going to be living with his mom, okay?
• 1:05:07
  The next murder is, May 24th 2003, a big gap between October.
• 1:05:13
  But the victim was to Truro, Woods, 19 years old.
• 1:05:16
  He had recently been released from prison and he hadn't really
• 1:05:20
  learned too much in prison. Hmm.
• 1:05:26
  He told some of his cousins and he was going to move in with his
• 1:05:28
  girlfriend, but the real issue as to why he needed to move is
• 1:05:34
  that he had broken into somebody's house and the
• 1:05:38
  homeowner instead of calling the police contacted your Trail and
• 1:05:42
  told him, if I don't get my rings back.
• 1:05:45
  I'm going to show up to your mom's house and I'm going to
• 1:05:47
  kill everyone inside. Oh damn, the the person
• 1:05:51
  apparently he had been robbing the same guy.
• 1:05:55
  Over and over this man lives on the corner of Elder Street, and
• 1:05:58
  he was just sick and tired of it.
• 1:06:00
  What? And like.
• 1:06:02
  So he told his mom, he's like, hey, you know, I need to go do
• 1:06:06
  some things. I'm gonna go move in with my
• 1:06:08
  girlfriend, and his mom was like, no, I know, you're up to
• 1:06:12
  no good. She's like, please don't leave.
• 1:06:15
  She said you had an appointment on May 27th with the Social
• 1:06:18
  Security office. He was like, fuck the Social
• 1:06:22
  Security office. He got her some water.
• 1:06:25
  And he left the house. He was like, I need to go make
• 1:06:27
  some money to pay this man because he's going to kill me
• 1:06:30
  for stealing from him. He of course, never made it back
• 1:06:34
  to his mom's house or to that appointment.
• 1:06:37
  He actually never made it to go get the money that he needed to
• 1:06:40
  pay the guy back. He was found a few days later by
• 1:06:45
  two cousins who were at three Wheeling off of Highway 56.
• 1:06:48
  They told the press that the body looked puffy.
• 1:06:52
  And they did. I mean this was 2003 so cell
• 1:06:55
  phones weren't super common at this point, but some people had
• 1:06:59
  them. Some people didn't these two
• 1:07:00
  were younger and didn't have them.
• 1:07:02
  I think in 2003 it was a little uncommon for a young people to
• 1:07:08
  have phones. It was more of a like grown-ups.
• 1:07:11
  I think I got my mom's leftover, Nokia brick, probably around
• 1:07:20
  2004. And it was mainly because I was
• 1:07:24
  take like the Dork that I am. I was taking an extra class at
• 1:07:26
  school, good writing class during the summer and it was so
• 1:07:30
  funny, like, you're in summer school.
• 1:07:32
  And I'm like, no, no, no, this is extra work because that's the
• 1:07:35
  kind of child that I was. And my mom gave me the phone so
• 1:07:39
  that I could call and let her know when I got out, when I got
• 1:07:42
  on the bus etcetera, Etc, because she was worried.
• 1:07:46
  So like I was 16 then though, so it was It was kind of uncommon
• 1:07:50
  it like young. Like 10, 12 year, olds had cell
• 1:07:53
  phones back then. So those two drove, their little
• 1:07:57
  bikes to a nearby casino and told like the first person they
• 1:08:01
  saw the casino, we found a dead body and the casino called the
• 1:08:08
  police. And they took the police back
• 1:08:11
  over to Charles body. His bike was with him.
• 1:08:15
  See the night before he had gone to, his plan was to stop by his
• 1:08:20
  friends house. Pick up his bike.
• 1:08:22
  Then head over sell some drugs and then I'm guessing give that
• 1:08:26
  drug money to the guy who he stole the Rings and sold them.
• 1:08:31
  So somewhere between getting the bike from his friends house, he
• 1:08:36
  went missing and because he had this bike at him when he died,
• 1:08:43
  interestingly enough, there was no dirt on the bike Treads.
• 1:08:47
  There were no, he didn't have issues but there was no dirt on
• 1:08:50
  his socks. It May and it had been very dry
• 1:08:54
  for the past few days about 85 degrees so they couldn't figure
• 1:08:58
  out why there was a strange liquid around the body.
• 1:09:01
  Like he had been submerged at some point, but it where he was
• 1:09:05
  found was bone dry. He had been stripped of any and
• 1:09:09
  all of his identification actually kind of sadly one of
• 1:09:13
  the detectives that was called like turned him over because he
• 1:09:17
  was face down and realized that he neutral and his mother and so
• 1:09:23
  that detective technically was able to identify him, but he
• 1:09:26
  still had to go to the mom's house to get a positive ID from
• 1:09:30
  a family room, a relative So, the police focused on the man,
• 1:09:37
  he robbed his efforts because, like, you know, he stole from
• 1:09:39
  you repeatedly. And you did say you were going
• 1:09:42
  to kill him, but that man had a solid Alibi.
• 1:09:46
  They talked to his friend, Gary, the one who he had given him a
• 1:09:50
  ride to go pick up his bike. Gary was like, he left on his
• 1:09:54
  bike, that was all. They had their eventually, they
• 1:09:57
  linked him to the other killings and realized that this is work
• 1:10:01
  of a serial killer and not somebody who knew Detroit even
• 1:10:04
  though he was in a lot of like, Just trouble all the time.
• 1:10:11
  Right? Right now, January of 2004 comes
• 1:10:18
  and Ronald gets laid off from the produce store.
• 1:10:20
  He had got he gets a job working at Gulf Coast maintenance and
• 1:10:24
  how am I? But he only stayed for about six
• 1:10:27
  months then he gets his next job as a meter reader and that was
• 1:10:32
  perfect for Ronald. He didn't kill during this time
• 1:10:35
  at all, but he definitely did. why's that, if he Killed stopped
• 1:10:41
  picked a new town. This was the method to keep the
• 1:10:44
  police kind of confused. At least for now.
• 1:10:47
  Now while he's at work as a meter reader, he realizes that
• 1:10:55
  he's finding all these really good locations and he can like
• 1:11:00
  Prospect, but he knew he couldn't write it down because
• 1:11:02
  if he wrote it down that, proved that it was first-degree murder.
• 1:11:05
  And he was planning it, but he just kind of made a mental note.
• 1:11:09
  Note as he drove around different places in Terrebonne
• 1:11:13
  Parish, he's like, oh, that'd be a good dump site. and of course,
• 1:11:19
  since he had stopped, killing from May of 2003 on And it's now
• 1:11:27
  January. The police aren't kind of
• 1:11:28
  stumped by this time. January 2004.
• 1:11:31
  There have been 13. Murders across five different
• 1:11:33
  parishes but they didn't know the details just yet.
• 1:11:37
  Unfortunately, none of them like knew that if they just checked
• 1:11:41
  the boot database, they would have found that he was charged
• 1:11:45
  with attempted rape years ago. At this point, Dennis Thornton
• 1:11:55
  detective starts reaching out. He's like, listen, I know you
• 1:11:59
  were going to do a task force before and that didn't really
• 1:12:02
  work out but this time we have a lot more evidence and there's a
• 1:12:07
  lot more bad. So he starts kind of hammer in
• 1:12:11
  the state. He's like listen, I want us to
• 1:12:14
  do a real task force this time. Well, that's going on Ronald
• 1:12:19
  strikes again, but it's October of 2004, everybody's trying to
• 1:12:24
  prep for tropical storm Matthew which is Kickin south Louisiana
• 1:12:27
  in the but there's like 80 mile an hour winds and here's Ronald
• 1:12:32
  driving around looking for somebody to murder.
• 1:12:38
  So they find Larry Matthews body near a pond and day.
• 1:12:43
  Almonds, the man who found it was Jeff Mauro.
• 1:12:47
  And he was a banker, and he also didn't have a cell phone, so he
• 1:12:51
  drove home. And he knocked on his neighbor's
• 1:12:53
  door. His neighbor was Don Jerome, who
• 1:12:56
  was a criminologist for the sheriff's office in st.
• 1:12:59
  Charles Parish. Oh my God.
• 1:13:01
  So don calls the police and he's like, I'm going there right
• 1:13:04
  away. He makes it in about 20 minutes,
• 1:13:08
  he determines, if the remains are fresh due to a lack of rigor
• 1:13:11
  mortis, he checks the pockets, there's nothing there.
• 1:13:15
  The body was wet. And so, of course, he goes, he
• 1:13:18
  probably dumped him during the storm and attempt to, you know,
• 1:13:22
  have the rain beat any sort of evidence off of him.
• 1:13:26
  He liked this boy, they said the the storm that like the rain was
• 1:13:29
  sometimes going like sideways. Oh damn, I love that sideways
• 1:13:34
  rain. So He ends up using his little
• 1:13:38
  digital camera that he has to take as many pictures as he can
• 1:13:40
  of everything, while he waits for the detectives to show up.
• 1:13:43
  The autopsy is the next day. They learned that he had been
• 1:13:46
  killed with the tremendous amount of force and the overkill
• 1:13:50
  was significant, he had bruises on his shoulders, his back, his
• 1:13:54
  behind his head, the corner. However, then did a drug test
• 1:14:00
  and was like, ah, this must have been an overdose and actually
• 1:14:06
  listed on his death certificate was not death certificate but to
• 1:14:10
  go that's the term that I know. But I've been told by people in
• 1:14:16
  the field you don't call it a death certificate but it's a it
• 1:14:20
  looks like the things that happen to your body and how you
• 1:14:23
  likely died. He writes it was an accidental
• 1:14:25
  overdose and I'm like, buddy. You just said that He was beat
• 1:14:29
  like, to crap before he died. What do you mean he OD'd?
• 1:14:33
  Are you thinking like a Coroner's report, something like
• 1:14:35
  that? Darn it.
• 1:14:39
  No, don't look it up. I'm just asking just a lot of
• 1:14:45
  morticians and people like that and Interesting.
• 1:14:55
  I was just thinking it was like nothing.
• 1:14:57
  I heard people say, Yeah. No dash is the morticians.
• 1:15:05
  This is okay. Okay.
• 1:15:08
  I think you're right. It's a Coroner's report.
• 1:15:11
  But yeah, so they he puts in his report though.
• 1:15:14
  This is accident accident overdose, which I feel kind of
• 1:15:18
  contradicts all these abrasions and bruises all over Larry body
• 1:15:23
  painter. Also doesn't write on the report
• 1:15:26
  if the victim was raped or not. And then in a strange case that
• 1:15:34
  his prints come back and they find out that he's from
• 1:15:36
  Thibodaux. so, he's from the same town, where Ronald grew up
• 1:15:43
  He's and he's also 46 years old, which is the oldest victim that
• 1:15:47
  they have had so far. So they contact, Larry's
• 1:15:50
  brother, who tells them that he hadn't seen his brother for
• 1:15:55
  three or four days. Then I got it.
• 1:16:00
  There's all that could explain to you is that this was a wild
• 1:16:02
  goose chase. They followed every lead
• 1:16:05
  possible and they did determine that.
• 1:16:07
  Like at one point. There is a friend's house with a
• 1:16:09
  bunch of random white people and that he had walked out of his
• 1:16:12
  friends house. After drinking and playing cards
• 1:16:14
  and just never come back. They closed the case and
• 1:16:19
  determined that at some point he must have gone and gotten drugs
• 1:16:22
  and done too many drugs and what?
• 1:16:28
  So that really October, I'm just thinking like, damn, okay, so
• 1:16:33
  you did all the drugs. You probably just fell down the
• 1:16:35
  stairs or something like that. That's probably what happened.
• 1:16:37
  That's where all the bruises came from.
• 1:16:40
  I mean, later on, we learned that Ronald.
• 1:16:44
  Absolutely did get people. Hi.
• 1:16:46
  So it's very possible that what actually killed him was the
• 1:16:49
  overdose but that all the other stuff still happen he was still
• 1:16:53
  strangled and still you didn't mean it just happened
• 1:16:56
  postmortem. Yeah.
• 1:16:57
  It's very plausible like he was doing.
• 1:17:00
  Ronald is doing everything to get the people in his cars.
• 1:17:03
  You want to, you know, hang out. You want to party, you pay, you
• 1:17:08
  know, I could pay you. If you're we do some stuff like
• 1:17:10
  it didn't matter. He was trying to find any angle
• 1:17:12
  to get somebody. In his car.
• 1:17:16
  But we're not of October yet. October 24th 2004 the severely
• 1:17:20
  decomposed remains of Michael Barnett are found that a gator
• 1:17:23
  storage by the owner Dirk Guidry and his wife Wendy now gator
• 1:17:27
  stores didn't have much security No Electronic gate you kind of
• 1:17:31
  paid your money, stored your stuff and nobody bothered
• 1:17:33
  anybody else. They didn't think they needed
• 1:17:35
  any fancy security system but the day in question, when D is
• 1:17:40
  on site and she gets a report from one of her staff that
• 1:17:43
  there's a unit that smells bad and You know, that's not
• 1:17:46
  uncommon in the world of storage facilities.
• 1:17:49
  Like sometimes people do plug in like a frigerator.
• 1:17:52
  And some people are living at a storage units, right?
• 1:17:56
  Regardless, she walks up to the one that smells foul and it
• 1:18:02
  doesn't have a lock. It was secured with a twist tie,
• 1:18:07
  so she just pulled it off and let herself in.
• 1:18:12
  Wendy described the Decay on the body.
• 1:18:14
  So bad. She said he look like this.
• 1:18:17
  This person look, he was easily in his 50s.
• 1:18:21
  Now, so don Burger on and Simon, Fryman are put on the case.
• 1:18:27
  They couldn't determine how he died because he'd been there for
• 1:18:30
  so long and someone came and reported Michael Barnett
• 1:18:36
  missing. They didn't think too much of it
• 1:18:39
  because Michael was only 21 and this body they had looked way
• 1:18:43
  way older but what they decide to do is take photos of the
• 1:18:47
  tattoos that were on hand and they took those two local
• 1:18:51
  artists and one of the artist was like yeah I know that guy
• 1:18:53
  his name is Michael Barnett and they were like wow.
• 1:18:57
  Wow. Well apparently he'd been sit in
• 1:19:00
  that storage locker for a whole month.
• 1:19:02
  Oh my God. And even though fall in New
• 1:19:04
  Orleans is pretty nice, sitting inside of a metal storage
• 1:19:08
  locker, even it only 75 degrees speeds the decomposition
• 1:19:14
  process. Just like everybody else.
• 1:19:18
  They go through every lead and and Dawn wonders.
• 1:19:22
  Could this be the victim of a Strangler?
• 1:19:26
  But there's no proof. Ronald goes into hibernation
• 1:19:30
  again. Dennis Thornton is going crazy,
• 1:19:33
  trying to piece together. This puzzle.
• 1:19:35
  Still, the media is not making a connection either, and to put
• 1:19:40
  this into perspective, for people who are listening, as of
• 1:19:42
  2005, Ronald Dominique had killed as many people as Jeffrey
• 1:19:45
  Dahmer. But there was none of the media
• 1:19:49
  outrage or even interest. The local police department was
• 1:19:53
  less worried about the stats as a serial killer, and was just
• 1:19:56
  like, well, let's focus on the fact that he's killing and Bay,
• 1:19:59
  you blue, Terrebonne, Parish and has been since 2003, he must
• 1:20:04
  live here. So they brought in everybody
• 1:20:08
  with a sex crime, like a conviction in Terrebonne, Parish
• 1:20:14
  to talk to them. The problem is wrong.
• 1:20:17
  Donald didn't get caught in Terrebonne Parish and he didn't
• 1:20:20
  get convicted. So he wouldn't be on the
• 1:20:22
  conviction list. He wouldn't even be on the
• 1:20:24
  attempted list. Because it's the wrong Parish.
• 1:20:31
  So like what they're doing the right thing, but it's not being
• 1:20:34
  expanded. And now, right?
• 1:20:36
  You just searching that One Singular area, you're not
• 1:20:40
  fixated on the area where the murders are happening.
• 1:20:42
  Right now, Dennis Thornton is concerned with the fact that
• 1:20:48
  like this serial killer is killing at almost bizarre
• 1:20:52
  intervals. Like normally it's very
• 1:20:56
  consistent. Or there's like a clump of them
• 1:21:01
  that happened around the same time, but like he would, you
• 1:21:04
  know, kill two in one month, take six months off.
• 1:21:07
  Like normally, they can't control themselves that.
• 1:21:10
  Well, Hey, in later interviews Ronald would say that even
• 1:21:15
  though the police weren't on to him, he decides to operate as if
• 1:21:18
  they were and he wanted to be extra careful.
• 1:21:24
  So 2005 comes and February 20th. 2005 Leon loretty was discovered
• 1:21:31
  in halma, near the shrine Center which was this abandoned
• 1:21:34
  building built in about 1870, everybody called it the Shriners
• 1:21:38
  building He was found by Man, Steve Tim and his son who were
• 1:21:43
  out dirt biking in the region because there was this big
• 1:21:46
  wooded area between the Shriners building and a small airport
• 1:21:50
  that was great for just kind of you know goofing off you know
• 1:21:54
  pop it on the dirt piles. Right at first Steve Just saw
• 1:22:01
  the clothes and he was, he like stops the kids from getting
• 1:22:05
  closer. And at first, he thought he
• 1:22:07
  would like that. The person in the grass was
• 1:22:09
  drunk passed out because he had a bottle of beer on him and they
• 1:22:14
  didn't touch him because they were like, listen, sometimes
• 1:22:16
  when drunks get woken up, they just start swinging.
• 1:22:19
  Yeah, yeah. So Steve called the police on
• 1:22:23
  his cell phone, detective, Simon Fryman got the call at his house
• 1:22:27
  and Simon actually cognized Leon because Leann had been
• 1:22:33
  interviewed during the Nokia Jones murder a couple of years
• 1:22:37
  before another one of Ronald's victims. now, during the time
• 1:22:43
  that Leon is being autopsy, Simon gets Leon's.
• 1:22:49
  Mom to consent to a search of her house and then she lived
• 1:22:52
  there and as they were looking around they found like a
• 1:22:55
  blood-stained behind a chair and they got a warrant and the
• 1:22:59
  warrant allowed the forensic team to come in and take
• 1:23:01
  samples. And that went to a lab Well,
• 1:23:07
  that's going on. Simon goes and starts talking to
• 1:23:10
  Lance friends and realize that he kind of went missing.
• 1:23:15
  Sometime around February 13th. He got into a fight with his
• 1:23:18
  friends, over some tools and they said he stole them and he
• 1:23:23
  said he didn't. And so, the current friends kind
• 1:23:25
  of we're having a little bit of a well, we're not going to talk
• 1:23:28
  to you a moment and so no one had seen him after that.
• 1:23:31
  Now the autopsy did show that Leon was very drunk when he died
• 1:23:35
  and he'd also been Strangled, with some kind of a chord.
• 1:23:39
  They figured that, his blood alcohol level would have been so
• 1:23:42
  high that he wouldn't have been able to really defend himself.
• 1:23:49
  Now, Simon is the same environment is at the police
• 1:23:54
  precinct doing like the work you the paperwork because that's the
• 1:23:57
  stuff they never talked about, right?
• 1:23:59
  And a woman comes in, for a different case, around the Sugar
• 1:24:03
  Bowl, motel and on a whim Simon, kind of shows her Leon's
• 1:24:07
  picture, and she's like, oh yeah, he's here a lot, the Sugar
• 1:24:11
  Bowl was a known spot to pick up professionals and for
• 1:24:15
  professionals to find John So she was able to cut their time
• 1:24:20
  from nine days to 36 hours. Whoo damn nice.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah she had seen him as frequently as a day and a half
• 1:24:29
  before he died. The other important detail that
• 1:24:33
  she was able to tell them was that she had seen Leon with a
• 1:24:36
  white guy, who had a limp On March 3rd.
• 1:24:43
  They got a call from a witness saying there had been a man a
• 1:24:45
  maroon car that had been near the airport just standing there
• 1:24:52
  and that was kind of weird because this is like a small
• 1:24:54
  private airport and he's just around and that puts this
• 1:25:03
  random, weird Shifty, white guy near the remains hours before
• 1:25:09
  the body had been dumped. Aunt.
• 1:25:11
  Very good information but they didn't have enough to identify
• 1:25:14
  him. Right.
• 1:25:17
  Early April, they find them. Another man fully clothed in a
• 1:25:21
  wooded area, near the Lafourche Work Release Center, and
• 1:25:24
  Lafourche Paris detectors were used to it now and they just
• 1:25:28
  showed up trying to collect any evidence they could and of
• 1:25:31
  course there's no i.d. No evidence.
• 1:25:35
  So LSPD puts out a bolo for people who don't know, bolo
• 1:25:39
  stands out stands for be on the lookout.
• 1:25:42
  It's a type of bulletin and instead of saying like, hey,
• 1:25:46
  look for this suspect. It was.
• 1:25:50
  Hey, is there anyone that can get us in contact with someone
• 1:25:55
  who recognizes this person? Yeah, and this brought in other
• 1:26:02
  police who saw Saw the similarities of the victims in
• 1:26:06
  their Parish. The autopsy showed he'd been
• 1:26:12
  strangled. And after his prints went
• 1:26:14
  through the apis database, his name came back as August Tyrell
• 1:26:18
  Watkins, five foot six hundred thirty pounds, 32 years old also
• 1:26:22
  if people don't know if is stands for the automated
• 1:26:24
  fingerprint identification system which is what we use in
• 1:26:28
  the u.s. It doesn't actually pinpoint the
• 1:26:31
  fingerprints like on the TV shows.
• 1:26:34
  But what it will do is it will give the print examiner a
• 1:26:37
  collection to look through. Instead of like 5,000 people, it
• 1:26:44
  might return 24 and then they print those out and they look
• 1:26:50
  and they compare the prints. They have to a much smaller
• 1:26:53
  number so it makes the job significantly Sims year.
• 1:26:56
  Yeah, that's all this is. It's great information.
• 1:27:00
  I do like to Rouse Family actually didn't know he was
• 1:27:04
  missing because he'd been evicted from his home and he was
• 1:27:07
  struggling with housing. So everybody knew Ooh, that like
• 1:27:11
  Tara was living with different people and was bouncing around
• 1:27:14
  to different peoples houses so nobody really had an idea when
• 1:27:18
  he went missing, because they just assumed like, oh, he's with
• 1:27:22
  his aunt. Oh, he's staying at his cousin's
• 1:27:24
  house. Oh, he's staring at his
• 1:27:25
  girlfriend's house, but through talking with the neighbors and
• 1:27:31
  all of his friends and family, they ended up going to the woods
• 1:27:34
  near jack's grocery to look for a bag of his things that he
• 1:27:38
  carried with him. His items were found near that
• 1:27:42
  abandoned lot near the grocery store and they theorize that
• 1:27:46
  Tyrell might have met his killer while asking for food or a place
• 1:27:49
  to stay the last person. He lived with was a young woman
• 1:27:58
  who he'd been dating but she had kicked him out and was dating
• 1:28:02
  somebody else and that at the time that he died, he was
• 1:28:05
  sleeping in a local tunnel. Yeah.
• 1:28:13
  Sorry friends told the police that they'd seen Tyrell hanging
• 1:28:16
  out with a white guy who drove a white truck and they found the
• 1:28:20
  white guy and his wife based on running the place this couple
• 1:28:23
  neutral because they brought it, they bought drugs from him and
• 1:28:26
  they were kind of, like, nervous when they talk to the police and
• 1:28:31
  the police were like, what you called him at multiple locations
• 1:28:34
  and they're like, fine, we got drugs from him.
• 1:28:37
  That's why we called him different places.
• 1:28:39
  He lived, you got us. The first like they were like do
• 1:28:47
  you ever let this guy drive your truck?
• 1:28:49
  And the lady was like I would never and they were like we
• 1:28:51
  definitely have people who say that you he was seen driving it
• 1:28:55
  and you were sitting with it and the thing was apparently the
• 1:28:58
  couple were broken up and got back together so there might
• 1:29:00
  have been a little hanky-panky going on way and she didn't want
• 1:29:03
  to let her husband know, had happened, right right, right.
• 1:29:08
  I mean they followed no less than 10 leads.
• 1:29:11
  They learned about everything if he was going through while
• 1:29:14
  struggling with housing but the case stalled after everybody
• 1:29:18
  checked out, Now, remember how I said that Denis Norden was
• 1:29:22
  trying to get the police to do a task force today.
• 1:29:27
  Finally get one or oh buddy, we get it.
• 1:29:29
  We get task force. All right.
• 1:29:31
  Oh nice, nice, nice. Now, Dennis is parish is
• 1:29:37
  Terrebonne and so, don, don Bergeron has her own Parish that
• 1:29:41
  she's dealing with ones and so ultimately the two of them kind
• 1:29:45
  of piece things together and they're like, all right, at this
• 1:29:47
  point. Now we have potentially 15
• 1:29:49
  murders. We know the guys Is mobile.
• 1:29:51
  We know he picks up his victims on the street.
• 1:29:53
  It's a must be consistent motive.
• 1:29:54
  Across victims, that turns out to be not true.
• 1:29:57
  His MO is different depending on the victim.
• 1:30:01
  Now what originally started as a sex crimes had devolved into
• 1:30:05
  like just murder because they couldn't not all the bodies.
• 1:30:08
  They couldn't determine whether they've been assaulted or not.
• 1:30:12
  They were very disheartened by the fact that the major media
• 1:30:14
  news wouldn't cover this and thing that was really
• 1:30:17
  interesting is because around the same time Member how I said
• 1:30:20
  I was looking for there not to be a crisscross of murders.
• 1:30:24
  There was a crisscross of murder as I forgot about Derrick Todd
• 1:30:28
  Lee. The Baton Rouge serial killer,
• 1:30:30
  who was killing in Northern Louisiana.
• 1:30:32
  While Ronald was killing in Southern Louisiana.
• 1:30:35
  Oh my God, the process was all over.
• 1:30:38
  Derrick, Todd Lee's case because that was a black man killing
• 1:30:43
  white women that sells papers Ronald, of course, was choosing
• 1:30:49
  black men down on their luck. Offering them, hope a place to
• 1:30:52
  say, or just some drugs to pass the night.
• 1:30:56
  And therefore those cases weren't really, you know, making
• 1:31:01
  the yeah, no headline news right there.
• 1:31:07
  But finally, it's April 2005 and Dennis gets that real task force
• 1:31:12
  after 15 murders. So the state and vice Dennis to
• 1:31:16
  this massive meeting. Because he'd been the longest on
• 1:31:19
  the cases. He'd been following them for
• 1:31:21
  eight years now. And they also included Tom
• 1:31:24
  Lambert from ham from the how much Sheriff's Office and FBI
• 1:31:27
  agent from New Orleans Jack or sign Simon Fryman from Hama PD
• 1:31:33
  Dawn Burger on from Terrebonne Parish and her boss.
• 1:31:36
  Major four major Vernon Booyah Booyah, there's so many friends
• 1:31:43
  James I had to look up. So good right now.
• 1:31:46
  Also they invited 14 other cops representing all six of the
• 1:31:50
  parishes where there were murdered Dennis was hype.
• 1:31:53
  He was like, we have the money now to really fun.
• 1:31:55
  This it's getting on the news and so, they did decide to focus
• 1:31:58
  on Terrebonne Parish since five of the most recent murders
• 1:32:01
  happen there. Both, he and Don become lead,
• 1:32:04
  detectives on Me on the task force, and they were chosen
• 1:32:07
  because of their years of looking into the case.
• 1:32:09
  But also the fact that the two always kind of showed initiative
• 1:32:12
  in a willingness to kind of think, outside the box, Don was
• 1:32:15
  exceptionally talented at speaking to Witnesses and
• 1:32:17
  potential suspects, and getting quick confessions, or statements
• 1:32:21
  as a police, like to call them. She said, I had a very
• 1:32:25
  incredible ability to soften people up and get them to just
• 1:32:30
  spill their guts. This was very valuable trait for
• 1:32:33
  this investigation because even people who weren't suspects had
• 1:32:37
  information to give and we didn't have the time for you to
• 1:32:41
  be standoffish. Give me the information.
• 1:32:44
  Even I need so we can move on and go somewhere else.
• 1:32:48
  Right, that's how I always am with.
• 1:32:50
  People. Look, look, I got Time.
• 1:32:52
  Come on, come on, come on, but she did it in a way that you
• 1:32:55
  know, didn't make people feel standoffish.
• 1:32:56
  It was it was it's a talent. Unfortunately, as soon as they
• 1:33:01
  got themselves together, another murder happened.
• 1:33:04
  This time and Lafourche Parish, it was the end of April and Kirk
• 1:33:08
  Cunningham's. Body was found floating in a
• 1:33:10
  ditch. Kurt was 23 years old.
• 1:33:12
  And from Thibodeau, he was the first White victim.
• 1:33:16
  Hey, last been seen and how On April 8 but he wasn't discovered
• 1:33:20
  until 20 days later off of Highway 307, the apps autopsy
• 1:33:26
  ruled inconclusive because he's been sitting in water for days
• 1:33:34
  actually. Okay.
• 1:33:36
  So because it was like a dish, it was probably not all water.
• 1:33:39
  So like half of his body is water.
• 1:33:42
  Decomposed in the other half is it's not yeah.
• 1:33:48
  Decomp from this point forward. They decided we need to
• 1:33:53
  streamline this process. We have a lot of people on this.
• 1:33:56
  There's no need for redundancies.
• 1:33:59
  So, we're going to use one crime lab for all future evidence.
• 1:34:03
  This will all of the evidence will only be handled by the same
• 1:34:08
  people. So there is no confusion as to
• 1:34:13
  who has it like this detective is the person who's going to
• 1:34:16
  carry this stuff in his car to this lab and will be that person
• 1:34:22
  from now on. Okay, this standardization gave
• 1:34:26
  everybody. The thing that they were to
• 1:34:28
  handle, kind of expertly at every crime scene, so there's no
• 1:34:31
  wasted energy. Dennis came up with the idea for
• 1:34:35
  them to fingerprint. All of Kurt Cunningham's body.
• 1:34:41
  But to use different temperatures to maybe make
• 1:34:46
  certain things appear. He said that he got this from
• 1:34:51
  CSI. Oh my God, like worth a shot.
• 1:34:56
  To see if depending on the temperature things, you know the
• 1:35:00
  skin might change and you might get a usable print.
• 1:35:07
  Now Dennis and Dawn are digging into the current investigation
• 1:35:10
  and another murder happens. This time Alonzo Hogan, 23 years
• 1:35:14
  old st. Charles Parish July 2nd Alonzo
• 1:35:17
  was 28 and he was black, he was found fully dressed.
• 1:35:22
  Ronald had gone back to an old dump site the cane field off of
• 1:35:25
  Highway 306. They went back to the old files,
• 1:35:29
  to try and find a connection between the new cases, and the
• 1:35:32
  old ones. How am I resident Wayne Smith?
• 1:35:41
  Is found in a ditch fully clothed on August 16th.
• 1:35:45
  So why month later off of Grand Caillou Road.
• 1:35:49
  This is another one that gets marked as undetermined by the
• 1:35:52
  coroner due to Advanced decomposition.
• 1:35:55
  Wayne is one of the youngest victims at only 17 years old.
• 1:35:59
  They use the same protocols collect as much evidence has
• 1:36:02
  and, you know, follow their, their plan.
• 1:36:06
  Donald that is also root out the shoe connection.
• 1:36:09
  It wasn't a signature, it was just the side effect of having
• 1:36:12
  to move the bodies CIA. But an interesting thing was
• 1:36:17
  that three of the victims have been seen at the Sugar Bowl
• 1:36:20
  Motel just before their death. And they noticed that every
• 1:36:23
  victim had at least one prior criminal offense.
• 1:36:28
  That was an interesting pattern, too.
• 1:36:32
  Now it's August 28, 2005. Do you remember what happened
• 1:36:37
  Ryan? You said, August 28th, 2005.
• 1:36:45
  I don't. Well, disaster struck Louisiana
• 1:36:50
  Hurricane Katrina one of the five deadliest hurricanes in US.
• 1:36:53
  History, I'm sorry, that's okay. It was a category 3.
• 1:36:57
  When it made landfall on the Gulf Coast on August 29th, for
• 1:37:00
  people who are Americans, who are listening, Louisiana,
• 1:37:03
  specifically New Orleans is below sea level.
• 1:37:06
  And the region is protected by a series of flood walls and levees
• 1:37:09
  that pretty much block water from going where it shouldn't.
• 1:37:13
  Some of these flood levees can be natural, but many of them
• 1:37:16
  were man-made. And on Monday, August 29th,
• 1:37:19
  there were over 50 failures in the walls and 80% of New Orleans
• 1:37:24
  and all of st. Bernard Parish flooded, you're
• 1:37:28
  talking tens of billions of gallons of water from the
• 1:37:31
  Atlantic Ocean, flooding over 100,000 homes and businesses.
• 1:37:35
  It is considered to be one of the costliest, natural disasters
• 1:37:37
  in US history, costing over 100 billion dollars God.
• 1:37:43
  And the thing is, if you're from the south, I give her somebody
• 1:37:46
  who's listening from the south like Like, at one point, one of
• 1:37:50
  my family members lived in Port, not with a.
• 1:37:53
  What's the bottommost town in Florida?
• 1:37:55
  I forget what it's called acute was.
• 1:37:58
  It's one of the keys. Yeah, income like it's they're
• 1:38:03
  so used to hurricanes that. They just like stack up there
• 1:38:06
  sandbags and then they drive away and they tow back to the
• 1:38:10
  mainland. Like they're just used to them
• 1:38:12
  happening, like every 6 to 12 months and it's always like this
• 1:38:16
  is gonna be the First one and they're just like yeah, whatever
• 1:38:20
  whatever it is. It was kind of like that in New
• 1:38:24
  Orleans because they were used to these but the because the
• 1:38:28
  levy the Levee failures happened People didn't evacuate like
• 1:38:34
  people didn't evacuate and eight, 1836 people were killed.
• 1:38:39
  There are a host of horrible atrocities against people that
• 1:38:42
  happen in the city. During this time, I mean, I
• 1:38:45
  remember watching there were police forcing people with kids
• 1:38:50
  back into flooded water while they were trying to cross a
• 1:38:53
  bridge because the bridge was dangerous, but like the people
• 1:38:55
  were like we're gonna drown that was caught on camera.
• 1:39:00
  There was also an entire prison that was left full of inmates
• 1:39:04
  and the inmates were left or drown as the guards kind of
• 1:39:07
  worried about their own safety. That's something that they don't
• 1:39:10
  like to talk about and there's a lot of history around that a lot
• 1:39:14
  of government in action and mismanagement happened.
• 1:39:16
  I could go on, but we don't have the time.
• 1:39:20
  It took two years just to rid the city of biohazards and begin
• 1:39:25
  rebuilding. And when I say that, New Orleans
• 1:39:29
  is frequently called the city of the dead.
• 1:39:31
  It's notoriously haunted, and it has a host of above-ground
• 1:39:35
  mausoleums and beautiful cemeteries and well, those are
• 1:39:39
  below sea level. When the flood happened.
• 1:39:46
  The bodies in the ground also came out.
• 1:39:51
  So they were finding remains and having to try and figure out
• 1:39:57
  where they came from. Where these people, who drowned
• 1:39:58
  in the actual water are these remains from cemeteries, it took
• 1:40:02
  years, it's been 17 years since. And from what I understand
• 1:40:06
  things are mostly back to normal down there but That's good.
• 1:40:11
  That's good to hear. Well, once the water subsided,
• 1:40:15
  there was another murder to deal with.
• 1:40:17
  Krista Ville, 40 years old and this time it was a new dump
• 1:40:21
  site. Assumption Parish he wasn't a
• 1:40:24
  typical victim. Chris was not transient.
• 1:40:27
  He didn't have a history of drugs or Home of my keys were
• 1:40:35
  homelessness, but you know, housing issues or even crime in
• 1:40:41
  his background, right? His family was together.
• 1:40:44
  His brother was a cop. He was also fully clothed and
• 1:40:48
  left off of Highway 1. It was almost like maybe this
• 1:40:52
  one was done in a Moment of desperation.
• 1:41:01
  Interesting. And what I see as the stunning
• 1:41:04
  display of sort of fuckery that isn't Dawn's bosses.
• 1:41:09
  Begin, freaking out on the task force and saying you're taking
• 1:41:13
  too long. We want results.
• 1:41:16
  Even though it had taken them, eight years to provide, Dennis
• 1:41:20
  with the money to, even really pursue the cases, they were
• 1:41:23
  being expected to solve them immediately.
• 1:41:28
  Okay, thank you for the money now, we'll create some magic for
• 1:41:31
  you. Okay, snack.
• 1:41:33
  Well, luckily, the task force gets a break and that break
• 1:41:37
  comes in the name of a man named John.
• 1:41:39
  Banning John was the typical Mark for Ronald?
• 1:41:43
  What Ronald didn't know was that John's parole officer was
• 1:41:48
  officer Lambert? One of the men in the task
• 1:41:51
  force. John was walking on the highway
• 1:41:54
  when he was approached by Ronald and offered sex with a girl
• 1:41:58
  based off of a photo. Anton was like he doesn't look
• 1:42:04
  very dangerous and that picture is very sexy.
• 1:42:07
  What's the harm in going to his house and see if she's real?
• 1:42:12
  So as they're Drivin, he said that Ronald talked about some
• 1:42:15
  weird stuff, he talked about how he was going to have to tie John
• 1:42:19
  up because the girls really like bashful about new guys, it was
• 1:42:24
  real weird. Also, he randomly talked about
• 1:42:27
  how there was a stigma around being gay.
• 1:42:30
  And for some reason, when Ronald pulled into his sister's
• 1:42:33
  driveway, John still State, they went to the trailer.
• 1:42:38
  Ronald begins his routine. He tells John get undressed,
• 1:42:42
  Rest, and he's like, and then I'll tie you up.
• 1:42:44
  And John kind of took stock of the room.
• 1:42:46
  And was just like, there are jugs of urine in this room,
• 1:42:51
  which is weird, and also Stacks, and stacks of gay porn.
• 1:42:58
  John takes that moment and just walks out of the door.
• 1:43:01
  And Ronald doesn't stop him. He actually said he ran back to
• 1:43:04
  the highway. Wow.
• 1:43:09
  Okay, so Donna, Dennis are, you know, back at headquarters
• 1:43:14
  discussing their try to figure out like the guy that Witnesses
• 1:43:18
  reported Didn't seem like a big guy like yeah, he was Heavy SAT
• 1:43:25
  but he wasn't very tall. And like he didn't seem very
• 1:43:28
  strong according to Witnesses. So they're trying to figure out
• 1:43:31
  how is he getting these people to get in his car.
• 1:43:34
  They had already been through every sex offender in every
• 1:43:37
  Parish where there was a murder. But they didn't think to talk to
• 1:43:43
  the Parolees and so that came up during this conversation and
• 1:43:48
  they they like, hey, they like they go to their squadmate
• 1:43:51
  Lambert and they're just like, hey, we want to go through all
• 1:43:54
  the Parolees and you're here. So you have the list on you,
• 1:43:57
  like I mean, you still working at a, his side to work their
• 1:43:59
  regular stuff too. And so he's just like we want to
• 1:44:03
  talk to all the people who are on parole in this town.
• 1:44:08
  Which is how John Banning ended up in the interrogation room
• 1:44:10
  talking to Dennis and Dawn. I guess, first he talked to
• 1:44:14
  Lambert and then to Dennis and on John tells them how this fat
• 1:44:18
  white guy pulled up on him and a black Sonoma truck, offered him,
• 1:44:21
  alcohol. And a crack at banging hot
• 1:44:24
  chick. He told them exactly where
• 1:44:26
  Ronald had taken them to make them to.
• 1:44:28
  And this is so weird. But like, they all met near
• 1:44:33
  Ronald house and I think it's really up because you have like
• 1:44:36
  a regular police officer with John Banning and then you have
• 1:44:40
  two detectives in like suits, But they don't walk up to the
• 1:44:45
  door. In fact, what Dawn does is she
• 1:44:50
  goes up to Or Don does is she goes up to the mailbox and she
• 1:45:01
  begins kind of flooding through the mail and there's only one
• 1:45:04
  male named in the house. Ronald J Dominique.
• 1:45:10
  They decide. They go back and they decide
• 1:45:13
  they want to make sure this is airtight, so they decide to just
• 1:45:17
  go talk to him. Like, knock on the door, they're
• 1:45:20
  like, hey Ronald, um, There's this guy who made kind of a
• 1:45:27
  charge against you, and we just want to talk to you about it.
• 1:45:31
  His name's John Banning and he like, filed a report, he's like,
• 1:45:34
  can you talk to us at the station and so they go in and
• 1:45:37
  Ronald tells them that he know, he's just in a kinky sex and he
• 1:45:39
  was having fun with the whole tied up thing.
• 1:45:43
  Dennis asks, run up to take a lie detector test and for the
• 1:45:46
  first time in their interview Ronald gets pissed and he's like
• 1:45:49
  what's all this about? And then it's just tries to play
• 1:45:52
  it off. Cool, listen.
• 1:45:53
  To Dominique. We're just trying to clear these
• 1:45:55
  cases. We're working on, if you can
• 1:45:56
  help us, that would be wonderful.
• 1:46:00
  So he agrees to the polygraph then Dawn, it's just like, you
• 1:46:04
  know, it would help us a lot if you sign this consent form.
• 1:46:10
  And give us your DNA. Oh God, he agrees and they take
• 1:46:17
  a hair and saliva sample and they thanked him over and over
• 1:46:20
  again and send him on his way. And if you listen to the podcast
• 1:46:23
  a lot, you're like wait, what? Well, okay, so it's weird that
• 1:46:27
  he was so agreeable. But also the other weird thing
• 1:46:30
  is that they had to ask permission to get his DNA
• 1:46:33
  because we've had other cases, like the Grim sleeper, where
• 1:46:37
  they followed him to a birthday party.
• 1:46:40
  And Told the plates and cakes that he ate off of, right.
• 1:46:43
  Yeah, that's because the DNA at that time.
• 1:46:50
  They did it wasn't as advanced as it is.
• 1:46:52
  Today even 10 years later. And so now we can get DNA on
• 1:46:57
  vert off of virtually anything. But back then we couldn't.
• 1:47:01
  So they went for the thing that you could get the best match on
• 1:47:04
  which was hair spit semen. They were like, can we can we
• 1:47:10
  get these? I think you can't ask him for a
• 1:47:12
  semen sample. He wouldn't do that, but like
• 1:47:14
  you never know, you never know. He see that kind of guy who
• 1:47:18
  probably give it up to Who knows?
• 1:47:20
  They paint John Bannon back in and John's like no, no, no.
• 1:47:24
  I did not willingly go to his house.
• 1:47:25
  I'm not even gay. He's like I just thought the
• 1:47:28
  girl looked hot and I wanted to see which if she was there and
• 1:47:32
  so they asked John they're like, okay.
• 1:47:33
  So what if he had tried to stop you and Johnson, it would have
• 1:47:38
  been like the Civil War He click yes.
• 1:47:43
  No, no. So this is where he says Pearl
• 1:47:45
  Harbor. He said it would have been Pearl
• 1:47:47
  Harbor in that piece, sir. Indicating that he would have
• 1:47:52
  fought him. Okay?
• 1:47:55
  What a weird thing to say? Definitely, you know, I would
• 1:48:00
  have been, like, Pearl Harbor. They decide to go into a
• 1:48:05
  database of crimes. Just pulling people who were
• 1:48:08
  charged, but never convicted. And this is where they find
• 1:48:11
  Ronald's charges and it sounds very similar to what John
• 1:48:15
  Banning told them. They also found there were two
• 1:48:19
  other cases of sodomy against Ronald that had been dropped due
• 1:48:25
  to a lack of corroborating evidence.
• 1:48:29
  The police are now. The police, from those two
• 1:48:31
  cases, who, talked around were brought in and they definitely
• 1:48:36
  remembered him. It was even though it was like
• 1:48:39
  the 80s, they've definitely remembered him and they said
• 1:48:42
  that he had a serious persecution complex about being
• 1:48:45
  gay. So with all this information,
• 1:48:48
  Dennis add-on, requested 24-hour our surveillance team, and they
• 1:48:51
  get denied. They're like, that's too much
• 1:48:55
  and you don't have enough to make that worthwhile.
• 1:49:00
  So they put a roadblock up near the Sugar Bowl hotel since
• 1:49:04
  multiple victims were found there and they regularly stop
• 1:49:08
  and search cars at random. Now, this does cut off one of
• 1:49:12
  his hunting sites, but Ronald had more and the stress of being
• 1:49:17
  watched by the police, was stressing him out.
• 1:49:22
  November 5th, 2005, Nick Pelican 21 years old is working on his
• 1:49:27
  home when the meter reader arrives.
• 1:49:31
  That meter reader is Ronald Ronald straight up propositions
• 1:49:36
  him. And next like I do need the
• 1:49:42
  money and so he agrees but later and Ronald picks him up after
• 1:49:49
  round. Gets off of work takes him back
• 1:49:51
  to his trailer. Ronald would later tell the
• 1:49:53
  police that because his mom and sister were down the hall, he
• 1:49:59
  had to make sure that Nick wouldn't scream and November
• 1:50:06
  9th, they discover his remains in the woods and Lafourche
• 1:50:09
  Parish, he had been tied. Up and to add insult to injury.
• 1:50:14
  He had gambled and gone through the roadblock with the dead body
• 1:50:18
  in the back of his car. Kidding me.
• 1:50:21
  Ballsy is all get out. Nick's autopsy came in the word
• 1:50:29
  laceration, peaked Dennis's interest.
• 1:50:32
  He was just like, I feel like I've been reading that word a
• 1:50:35
  lot and so he goes through the cases and realizes that a lot of
• 1:50:40
  the men had lacerations Options to their back of their head.
• 1:50:43
  Meaning, that that was one of the ways that Ronald was
• 1:50:46
  subduing, them by just straight, hitting them in the back of the
• 1:50:48
  head with something hard. Tying them up.
• 1:50:55
  They focus on DNA. The problem is DNA takes months
• 1:51:00
  but they do get a positive match.
• 1:51:02
  Remember all Ela Banks and how they said that there were
• 1:51:06
  Caucasian hairs? Yes, yes him.
• 1:51:11
  Yeah, they do a match but the problem was it was mitochondrial
• 1:51:14
  DNA, really ideally? You want what's called nuclear
• 1:51:18
  DNA, which is, it definitely belongs to this one person
• 1:51:22
  mitochondrial DNA matches. It means that this could be from
• 1:51:26
  anyone in Ronald's. Only, it's not the slam dunk.
• 1:51:29
  You want because DNA was still very new in court, and that was
• 1:51:35
  the kind of thing that could have could get thrown out.
• 1:51:39
  Okay, okay, well, hold on, hold on a second.
• 1:51:43
  You said it could have been anybody in this family?
• 1:51:45
  Do you mean like his family or like his genus family?
• 1:51:49
  I mean, like his actual brother and Uncle a father.
• 1:51:53
  Okay. Well look, it you are you have
• 1:51:56
  this guy Who's very suspicious? Don't you think that you would
• 1:52:00
  like? All right okay this is close
• 1:52:03
  enough to being like him, why you don't?
• 1:52:05
  We just like just fucking take. Well what this did allow for was
• 1:52:12
  that 24/7 security detail. They had asked for months ago,
• 1:52:19
  even get approved for a helicopter.
• 1:52:21
  Oh my God. Take 25.
• 1:52:23
  Yes to follow him around and take pictures from They didn't
• 1:52:28
  even hide that they were following him.
• 1:52:32
  So as they're watching him, the task force creates a timeline
• 1:52:36
  for all the victims. And they're trying to see, you
• 1:52:40
  know, based on like the yearly taxes, where Ronald is working
• 1:52:45
  in relationship to where the victims are picked up and where
• 1:52:48
  they're dropped off and it's looking really good, honestly,
• 1:52:53
  he's, he's always in range of these people.
• 1:53:00
  And the task force kind of kept watching it, like is he going to
• 1:53:02
  run away? Is he going to stay, you know,
• 1:53:06
  summer of 2006. They get their second DNA hat.
• 1:53:09
  Angel Mejia that was based on semen.
• 1:53:14
  Another mitochondrial match. They're just at this point,
• 1:53:20
  they're watching. They're looking to see if he
• 1:53:21
  does anything ridiculous. Well, in October of 2006, he
• 1:53:25
  slips his police detail and kills Christopher center field.
• 1:53:31
  He was 27 years old and just like Nick also white.
• 1:53:34
  It was almost like he was changing his Mo to be like,
• 1:53:38
  look, see? That guy was killing black,
• 1:53:40
  guys. This new guys killing white,
• 1:53:43
  guys. Different God.
• 1:53:45
  Yeah, no idea. Are you think Ryan 23andMe,
• 1:53:51
  pretty much they're now calling it investigative genealogy.
• 1:53:54
  Essentially, they were able to connect DNA of the killer to
• 1:54:00
  someone in a DNA, a genealogy database and that's how they
• 1:54:06
  were to find it really there. What they're doing now at this
• 1:54:11
  point is he has a pretty extensive criminal record
• 1:54:15
  between 1963 and 1998. Eight and so Indiana state.
• 1:54:19
  Police are looking to see if he did anything else.
• 1:54:22
  Honestly, if they can connect him to any other missing persons
• 1:54:26
  were there any other motels that he might have stopped by, and
• 1:54:29
  people went missing. So, this isn't over.
• 1:54:32
  They just know the name, they called him, the I-65 killer, and
• 1:54:36
  the thing is, I 65 runs from Gary Indiana, all the way down
• 1:54:40
  to the Gulf of Mexico. So we're talking of a hundreds
• 1:54:42
  of miles on the East Coast where he could have stopped and killed
• 1:54:46
  people as well. Also there's no guarantee that
• 1:54:50
  it just stops at these three murders in one assault.
• 1:54:52
  God can you come here? Hoping, they're hoping they can
• 1:54:58
  close them, some cases and give people some closure and finding
• 1:55:02
  out what happened to their loved ones.
• 1:55:05
  They also called him the days in killer because apparently he
• 1:55:08
  was, he like to stop at that Motel sometime.
• 1:55:11
  God. No.
• 1:55:12
  Not that easy. Yeah.
• 1:55:18
  Are there any other state police weren't actually able to get
• 1:55:21
  permission to use that database? The investigative genealogy
• 1:55:26
  until 2019? So this is still really, really
• 1:55:31
  new. That's they never had a suspect
• 1:55:36
  or anyone before this, they just had rant.
• 1:55:40
  Like they just had DNA that they could link to anybody.
• 1:55:43
  Hmm. So I think we're just going to
• 1:55:46
  keep happening. So yeah, it works you This one's
• 1:55:51
  slightly. This is like the they're if
• 1:55:53
  they're at a dead end when they have elected DNA evidence and
• 1:55:57
  stuff like that and nothing that connected to this is like the
• 1:56:00
  thing they go to. Now, like we learned And with
• 1:56:04
  the one case I think it was not just I'll call you with the Grim
• 1:56:09
  sleeper you in order to get access to do that.
• 1:56:16
  You have to have used every other form of policing, right
• 1:56:22
  before they will allow you access to, what is millions of
• 1:56:25
  people's DNA. And a lot of people feel, a lot
• 1:56:29
  of ways about it. It's one of the reasons why I've
• 1:56:31
  never actually done a DNA test. I would like to know what
• 1:56:35
  percentage is what percentage. But also on the other hand, I'm
• 1:56:38
  like, do I want to know? If somebody I'm related to is a
• 1:56:41
  killer, Nah. Nah, that's okay.
• 1:56:47
  Now I got to rethink that relationship.
• 1:56:50
  Can you imagine what it was like when Dennis readers daughter
• 1:56:53
  found out that her dad was the BTK killer?
• 1:56:58
  I can't imagine. I'll want that on my heart.
• 1:57:03
  That's okay. But what's your true crime case
• 1:57:06
  this week Brian? Okay, so apparently the story
• 1:57:10
  has been going around and I'm pretty sure if you guys have
• 1:57:13
  been paying attention to True Crime News, you've heard this as
• 1:57:18
  well. So there was an incident.
• 1:57:23
  I guess we can only fans model where she allegedly stabbed her
• 1:57:28
  boyfriend to death, in their apartment, Julie, Brian, I've
• 1:57:34
  seen the photos on TMZ. Homegirl is covered head to toe
• 1:57:38
  in blood. It is horrific.
• 1:57:42
  One of my friends is in Miami and was literally like I've been
• 1:57:45
  in Miami for two weeks because she's she's down there, looking
• 1:57:48
  at like she has a business It's and I guess she's trying to
• 1:57:50
  expand and its potential. She might be able to run her
• 1:57:53
  business down there. I'll miss her.
• 1:57:54
  If she actually, they're one of our sponsors.
• 1:57:57
  Oh, really? The bakery?
• 1:57:59
  Yeah. She's in Miami right now at your
• 1:58:01
  service meet Cafe. Yep.
• 1:58:04
  I think I don't know if they're going to be stimmy temporary or
• 1:58:06
  something. But they've been down there for
• 1:58:07
  a while, but she definitely was like she posted on Facebook.
• 1:58:10
  She's like, I watch a lot of CSI.
• 1:58:12
  Miami before I came down here and now I think there's
• 1:58:14
  definitely a murder that just happened.
• 1:58:16
  I'm like, Bro. So I'm like dang but yeah, like
• 1:58:24
  it. Yeah, I saw the picture soon as
• 1:58:27
  like it's not legit like you did.
• 1:58:30
  It says a legend in this news article so it's somebody's
• 1:58:35
  blood. Is it somebody's blood, who
• 1:58:37
  knows? Yeah.
• 1:58:40
  So influence our her name is Courtney claiming she's plenty
• 1:58:46
  plenty in another name when she was Is doing her only thing.
• 1:58:49
  Yeah, it's a Courtney Taylor was her other her suit for whatever
• 1:58:54
  her stage name and interesting question, why would you make
• 1:58:58
  your stage name? So close to your real name?
• 1:59:00
  I don't know. Like, I definitely change it all
• 1:59:04
  thing first and last name. Yep, absolutely.
• 1:59:07
  I don't know my name. My brain just said Isabella
• 1:59:10
  demise. That's so not a good name but
• 1:59:12
  it's what popped into my head. Gold Leaf is looking up.
• 1:59:17
  She's probably there already. Right.
• 1:59:19
  Yeah, it's probably like I saw that somewhere on Twitter.
• 1:59:23
  Oh my God. But yeah.
• 1:59:25
  She's yeah. She's 25 years old and her her
• 1:59:29
  boyfriend. His name was Christian.
• 1:59:32
  I don't know. I don't know how to pronounce
• 1:59:33
  his last name. I know he's African.
• 1:59:34
  So he yeah, French last name. Yeah he does and he's 27 but
• 1:59:40
  yeah the cops they responded to a 911 call around, you know,
• 1:59:43
  5:00 on Sunday at you know, at their apartment.
• 1:59:48
  And this is like pretty said in Miami Florida and they say they
• 1:59:53
  found her boyfriend. He was stabbed once in the
• 1:59:56
  shoulder. That's it is.
• 2:00:00
  That's what it says. It's.
• 2:00:02
  Where is that blood? The way that it was like, posted
• 2:00:09
  all over social media over the last couple days.
• 2:00:12
  It's like she stabbed him to death.
• 2:00:15
  Like there were multiple stabbings.
• 2:00:17
  You know what I mean? Yeah, like 11 stabbed was Otto,
• 2:00:21
  dang. Yeah.
• 2:00:24
  It must have been like a really deep wound or somewhere like
• 2:00:29
  that. Lets you the artery right.
• 2:00:30
  Ye are exactly. That's one thing for there to be
• 2:00:33
  that kind of a spray that it's all over her face.
• 2:00:36
  Chase chest and legs. That's a no.
• 2:00:38
  That's an arterial spray. Yeah.
• 2:00:41
  Yeah yeah. That's that's why all of them
• 2:00:43
  blood. Yep.
• 2:00:44
  That's rather but come from that's the only way if it was
• 2:00:47
  only One time. Wow.
• 2:00:48
  See the way the media was returning.
• 2:00:50
  It was that she like went full like Jason Voorhees.
• 2:00:57
  But yeah, he died at the hospital.
• 2:00:59
  Actually, he didn't even die. There.
• 2:01:01
  He was still alive. Yeah, he he died at the
• 2:01:05
  hospital. Like I said, the first thing
• 2:01:08
  that I saw was the TMZ pictures. The somebody took from like
• 2:01:13
  their apartment building across from her.
• 2:01:16
  The other apartment building. Yeah, we can see, right clearly.
• 2:01:19
  She's like sitting on the ground cuffed and there's blood on her
• 2:01:24
  face, her little tube. be top her sweat pants are soaked, like
• 2:01:32
  So, I assumed homeboy was dead dead before the police even got
• 2:01:36
  there. Yeah.
• 2:01:39
  Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's wild how the
• 2:01:42
  media portrays things they got me.
• 2:01:48
  Yeah, that's all I saw. I didn't look any other articles
• 2:01:52
  I was like, oh, look at that. White girl killed a black man.
• 2:01:56
  That's that's what drew me into it.
• 2:01:58
  I was like, God kid. Here we go again, I'm so sorry.
• 2:02:03
  But yeah, they said there's the cops.
• 2:02:08
  That there was obviously like a physical altercation before
• 2:02:11
  she's she he was stabbed. So, So, like people, people like
• 2:02:20
  that, who are her friends, AP, said that they've seen him hit
• 2:02:23
  her and stuff like that. Like yeah, you know, if you girl
• 2:02:28
  getting just be oh wait, no, no, no, my bad.
• 2:02:32
  I read the wrong. It says we seen her hit him and
• 2:02:37
  that I've never yeah. I've never seen him hit her.
• 2:02:43
  Gotcha, so obvious. Asleep must have been something
• 2:02:47
  that she was doing. Yeah.
• 2:02:50
  See this popped up on my Facebook timeline because people
• 2:02:53
  pulled a lot of his really like rude posts and Tweets.
• 2:02:59
  We're like like, you know, rest in peace, he did die in.
• 2:03:04
  That is sad, but apparently, he was one of those people who
• 2:03:07
  thought that, if he could net himself a beautiful white woman
• 2:03:13
  that made him a better person than everybody else.
• 2:03:16
  You know, and it's kind of crappy to treat your partner to
• 2:03:19
  put them on a pedestal like that it's not fair to the person
• 2:03:22
  who's being idolized but it's also real crappy.
• 2:03:25
  When every opportunity you get you trash talk every other group
• 2:03:30
  of women, right? Yeah.
• 2:03:32
  So like he couldn't just be like, wow, I really love my
• 2:03:34
  girlfriend. It would be like I can't stand
• 2:03:37
  black girls, blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
• 2:03:38
  And I'm like, dude, nobody asked you like the such a, it's such a
• 2:03:44
  weird thing. And a lot of people Like a lot
• 2:03:46
  of do do this online and I'm just like love who you love.
• 2:03:49
  You ain't got a tear everybody else down, right?
• 2:03:52
  Like and I gotta I gotta be wrong with you.
• 2:03:55
  I was like that too. And so one of my friends was
• 2:03:57
  like, you know, when you say things like real women have
• 2:03:59
  curves, it kind of makes me feel sad.
• 2:04:01
  And I was like, oh dang, I thought this was just, you know,
• 2:04:04
  like the fat girl, you know, acceptance rock.
• 2:04:08
  All right. Not thinking that like you know,
• 2:04:11
  all women are real, women, doesn't matter what you look
• 2:04:13
  like, you know, This is true, my best friends.
• 2:04:16
  And so I adjusted the way that I speak about certain things, like
• 2:04:18
  I like, what I like, and I will say that I, like the things that
• 2:04:21
  I like, but I'll need to talk about things.
• 2:04:22
  I don't like, but regardless. So, that's how he popped up on
• 2:04:25
  my timeline. And then when I looked him up, I
• 2:04:27
  saw the TMZ article but like so, where is home girl?
• 2:04:30
  Right now, I'm guessing some police station, or at least she
• 2:04:34
  got booked and bail or something.
• 2:04:37
  Okay, so here's a story birdie so miss Courtney, you know, she
• 2:04:44
  was the team Are police station, you know, after, you know, she
• 2:04:48
  was after the stabbing and, you know, they found her and stuff
• 2:04:51
  like that after a while. You know, she started saying
• 2:04:54
  that, you know, she's sort of saying, you know, I'm a kill
• 2:04:56
  myself. I'm gonna live myself stuff like
• 2:05:01
  that. Well, it's okay, we're not on
• 2:05:03
  Tick-Tock, you can actually hear.
• 2:05:06
  It's just on other platforms, we have to come up with creative
• 2:05:08
  ways to say killed yourself, right?
• 2:05:11
  Right. Anti bullying.
• 2:05:14
  And Apparently in Florida, there is an act that protects people.
• 2:05:21
  I don't say don't say, you forget me.
• 2:05:22
  It protects people, obviously like okay, and it's called The
• 2:05:26
  Baker Act, okay? Well, and it allows law
• 2:05:31
  enforcement as well as doctors mental health professionals and
• 2:05:35
  judges to commit a person to a mental health treatment center
• 2:05:39
  for up to 72 hours. If a certain violent or Suicidal
• 2:05:44
  Tendencies, These are displayed. Okay so she's on a she's on what
• 2:05:50
  you call it I guess. Suicide watch mandatory hold.
• 2:05:52
  Yeah, there you go. Okay and this happened a couple
• 2:05:55
  of okay but this was last Friday.
• 2:05:59
  So it's been a week. 72 hours is less than a week where she now
• 2:06:04
  Brian. It's I think she's still at the
• 2:06:07
  cheese. Still at the mental institution.
• 2:06:10
  Oh, come on. He's still there.
• 2:06:13
  She's dead. Okay.
• 2:06:14
  She was just, she probably does need mental health care.
• 2:06:17
  She just stabbed a man, but like Um, okay so she's not he hasn't
• 2:06:24
  been arraigned. No.
• 2:06:26
  So she was detained on April 3rd.
• 2:06:29
  It did. Oh wait.
• 2:06:31
  Okay. So this actually was it last
• 2:06:32
  week? This was today's the day.
• 2:06:36
  Yeah. Okay.
• 2:06:37
  So it's been five days since this happened.
• 2:06:39
  Yeah. But so she's you know it still
• 2:06:42
  hold onto her. Yeah, it's funny because it says
• 2:06:44
  that her her content was still uploaded on the fourth after she
• 2:06:50
  was a team. I mean, you can schedule post to
• 2:06:51
  be update. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, it's
• 2:06:56
  a thing that can happen. Like so at the moment she's a
• 2:06:59
  Not face any charges for her boyfriend's.
• 2:07:02
  Death at all or his murder. Okay.
• 2:07:06
  I mean, okay and like is that's the thing that when I saw his I
• 2:07:12
  was like, what the fuck you talking about it?
• 2:07:13
  She like obviously killed him. Why is Sheena might get charges
• 2:07:18
  once she gets out of the suicide watch.
• 2:07:22
  Yeah, it just it just like when I saw it, I was like Here we go
• 2:07:33
  again. That's wild and listen like I
• 2:07:38
  know that the majority of our listeners are women and I'm sure
• 2:07:41
  a lot of you are white women. So obviously, I'm not talking
• 2:07:44
  about you. But historically relationships
• 2:07:49
  with white women and black men have not always been the best
• 2:07:56
  know. I remember this is a personal
• 2:08:01
  story for me. Because I remember like, when I
• 2:08:05
  was younger or like, I don't know, start starting to date
• 2:08:09
  and, you know, and, you know, tell him I like him.
• 2:08:22
  Okay. Okay.
• 2:08:44
  Took it. Yeah.
• 2:08:46
  Oh no. How would you define that time
• 2:08:48
  of your life? I was it was it was like my
• 2:08:52
  first girlfriend, my first actual girlfriend and I was just
• 2:08:55
  like, I'm done in love Bubble, blah, own protector of those
• 2:09:02
  know, you guys don't know what you're talking about.
• 2:09:05
  She was like cheating on you and stuff.
• 2:09:07
  Yeah just personally like It's like one of those things I was
• 2:09:16
  watching a Lovecraft country last year and it occurred to me,
• 2:09:20
  just this pop into my head. While I was watching the show,
• 2:09:23
  the people who make our laws right now and grew up during Jim
• 2:09:25
  Crow. That makes me feel very
• 2:09:29
  uncomfortable and make that their formative years were when
• 2:09:34
  it was okay to Lynch somebody. So I think I won't feel like it
• 2:09:39
  feels weird to be like, maybe I'll feel better when the
• 2:09:42
  boomers are gone. People like, I don't know, but
• 2:09:45
  like like, we're still connected to all these times.
• 2:09:47
  Historically, were terrible things happen to black people
• 2:09:51
  and so I still feel that caution and obviously some people don't
• 2:09:57
  Well, like we still live in a world where, you know, if you're
• 2:09:59
  cute and blond you can get away with murder so far.
• 2:10:04
  I hope she does it. I hope that after they release
• 2:10:06
  her she does face the consequences of her actions
• 2:10:09
  because him choosing to be in a abusive relationship.
• 2:10:14
  Should not have been the end of his life, right?
• 2:10:16
  Absolutely. He should have had the
• 2:10:18
  opportunity to get out and get help and heard you the same.
• 2:10:22
  And, you know, ultimately, when these things happen, everybody
• 2:10:25
  involved, the one person's Dead. The other person goes to jail
• 2:10:28
  and nothing gets better. And it's sad because he was just
• 2:10:33
  like, I guess a week away from turning 28.
• 2:10:36
  So it's just life, cut short. Yeah.
• 2:10:40
  And the other thing is that this does highlight like you know I
• 2:10:42
  make some some silly jokes but this does highlight another
• 2:10:45
  situation where her friends said she hits him so he was in a
• 2:10:51
  position. He's in a situation where There
• 2:10:55
  was no good ending other than him, just walking away.
• 2:10:58
  Because if he hits her back he's going to prison as a black man
• 2:11:02
  who had a white woman. He does nothing, he ends up
• 2:11:06
  dying like the only the only solution here was for him to do
• 2:11:11
  the hardest thing to do when you're being abused which is a
• 2:11:16
  wave. The person you love.
• 2:11:18
  Yeah. and you know, I can't be too judgmental there because I
• 2:11:22
  went through it myself so did you
• 2:11:39
  But today's case is one, that despite the death toll there,
• 2:11:43
  just wasn't a whole lot of information about it.
• 2:11:46
  This guy began killing in 1997. He wasn't called until you were
• 2:11:49
  a senior in high school Brian. Oh my God.
• 2:11:53
  Yeah, that this happened very much a during our life.
• 2:11:58
  Wait, when you were 2006 right? Yeah, that's when I graduated.
• 2:12:01
  Yep. He was an outcast, a misfit.
• 2:12:05
  But he also went under the radar for about nine years.
• 2:12:09
  If I say the name, Ronald Dominique.
• 2:12:11
  Does that mean anything to you? No, really, that's okay.
• 2:12:17
  His other name was the Bay. You the BIOS trenkler.
• 2:12:22
  It's been a little over a year since I discuss any killers from
• 2:12:25
  Louisiana and I got to be really honest.
• 2:12:27
  I needed a break from the very confusing criss-crossing,
• 2:12:31
  killers of California. The last three cases
• 2:12:35
  inadvertently. Like there were just crisscross
• 2:12:37
  over and cases on happening. Concurrently just Cal, covering
• 2:12:43
  California, Killers is stressful.
• 2:12:46
  So today we're going to talk about a guy that no one really
• 2:12:49
  expected much from. Well, Louisiana obviously got a
• 2:12:53
  little bit more than they bargained.
• 2:12:54
  For Ronald Joseph, Dominique was born, January 9th 1964, had a
• 2:13:02
  very small town in Louisiana called Thibodeau.
• 2:13:05
  He was one of six children Thibodeau is a really small town
• 2:13:08
  than and even now it only has 15,000 people who live there
• 2:13:11
  today. Ronald grew.
• 2:13:13
  Like he was born right on the cusp of change in the entire
• 2:13:17
  country. But he was a poor white kid from
• 2:13:20
  a poor, white family, in a trailer park, and a poverty
• 2:13:23
  stricken town. So, change change.
• 2:13:27
  What's happened in other places? Now, his immediate childhood
• 2:13:31
  wasn't traumatic, there's absolutely nothing that pops up
• 2:13:33
  in any of the history books. But sometime during Elementary
• 2:13:36
  School to rumors, began to circulate and both of them were
• 2:13:39
  pretty terrible. The first one was that there was
• 2:13:42
  incest going on in the Dominique household and that Ronald had
• 2:13:45
  walked in on his mother and one of his brothers.
• 2:13:49
  The other was that Ronald told his parents that a priest,
• 2:13:51
  molested him and his parents didn't believe him.
• 2:13:55
  And of course we all learned decades later, but across the
• 2:13:57
  country, the Catholic church had conspired.
• 2:13:59
  You're too high pedophilia when it was in its ranks, right?
• 2:14:02
  So it's plausible that this did happen to him when he was small.
• 2:14:06
  And if you're wondering why I haven't mentioned a lots of his
• 2:14:09
  brothers or sisters or even his mother and father by name, I
• 2:14:13
  have no less than 10 resources for this week, and they don't
• 2:14:16
  mention his family's names really, which lets me know that
• 2:14:20
  these people don't want to be known, huh?
• 2:14:22
  Occasionally, a name of a sister or a brother pops up later on in
• 2:14:26
  the story. But like, apparently people did
• 2:14:29
  not want to be known as being connected to this man.
• 2:14:35
  Now, the incest rumors and the molestation are huge part of his
• 2:14:41
  childhood in pre-adolescence, and they definitely have Bay are
• 2:14:44
  probably the first time he was introduced to the concepts of
• 2:14:47
  sex and sexual deviancy, which didn't help him grow up better.
• 2:14:52
  And he walked his way into adolescence feeling inadequate
• 2:14:55
  and I can adequate and struggling with his appearance
• 2:14:59
  and the beginning feelings of homosexuality, He was a weird
• 2:15:05
  kid and there was an air of absurdity about him.
• 2:15:09
  Like when you talk to Ronald, he was always putting on a little
• 2:15:13
  show for anyone watching. This was him trying to like
• 2:15:21
  Trying to find a way to kind of mitigate the bullying make
• 2:15:24
  people laugh. Using the Glee Club he sang in
• 2:15:27
  choir. And that behavior was enough for
• 2:15:34
  his peers to label him as gay. What really, uh-huh.
• 2:15:39
  What I was supposed to be the Glee Club when I was nice.
• 2:15:48
  Okay, okay. He never did anyone openly and
• 2:15:55
  he was actively hiding any homosexuality from his peers but
• 2:15:59
  it did not matter. he did the painful process of masking
• 2:16:06
  hilly, really was to appear in normal and the other Factor was
• 2:16:11
  that even without people calling him gay, he was also overweight
• 2:16:14
  and he didn't exactly, Look good.
• 2:16:20
  He had meddling grades and he graduated from Thibodaux High
• 2:16:23
  School in 1983. Now, he kind of played with the
• 2:16:27
  concept of college for a bit and running and rolls and nickel
• 2:16:30
  State University and Thibodeau. For computer science.
• 2:16:34
  Ronald did not focus on school at all.
• 2:16:38
  He was enchanted by the openly gay population of students and
• 2:16:42
  all the different organizations he could join.
• 2:16:44
  It was okay to be out at school. Well, not quite the gay
• 2:16:51
  community in Louisiana wasn't its egg form, very small and a
• 2:16:56
  very specific type of person that they was allowed to be out
• 2:17:02
  and proud. And I'll just be blunt.
• 2:17:06
  There's a word that I want to use here that I know gay folks
• 2:17:09
  have reclaimed, but I'll know if it's a my word to reclaim since
• 2:17:13
  I'm not a queer man. So I'm going to just say that
• 2:17:15
  these are very hot young studs who are skinny And people who
• 2:17:21
  are gay, will know the word that I mean, okay.
• 2:17:25
  And other people just know that these the kind of guys who talk
• 2:17:29
  about their thin, they're like fit their law on the shorter
• 2:17:33
  side and definitely hot since the people who were allowed who
• 2:17:41
  know who were it were more out, we're definitely not the chubby
• 2:17:44
  awkward singers. So Ronald did not find his
• 2:17:50
  tribe. And in fact, he was very
• 2:17:53
  off-putting to many of the folks in the community who met him.
• 2:17:56
  Like during his first year at school, they had like a Pride
• 2:18:00
  Celebration and he like did a Patti LaBelle impression and
• 2:18:05
  everybody was like this is weird.
• 2:18:09
  He was he was doing like cross-dressing try to do drag at
• 2:18:12
  the local gay clubs and nobody who promised it at all.
• 2:18:18
  He actually stopped hanging out with the gay kids and stopped
• 2:18:21
  hanging out with anybody. You got it assessed with like
• 2:18:24
  making crank calls from his house.
• 2:18:27
  And on June 12th 1985 he was charged with telephone
• 2:18:31
  harassment. It was a seventy five dollar
• 2:18:36
  fine and he was warned to stop calling people and being creepy
• 2:18:40
  and sexual on the phone, who know?
• 2:18:42
  That's not a prank calling he know.
• 2:18:45
  That's why I said it was telephone harassment.
• 2:18:48
  He was calling people and being nasty.
• 2:18:50
  Oh my God. Now, back in the trailer park,
• 2:18:53
  though, he was beloved by his neighbor's, he crafted this
• 2:18:55
  public Persona of being the super nice guy, he volunteered
• 2:18:59
  with the elderly help, anybody, who asks, he never really found
• 2:19:01
  his footing, though. He worked odd jobs.
• 2:19:04
  Obviously lives in a double-wide with his mom and sister until he
• 2:19:07
  could afford his own and pretty much all of his adult life was
• 2:19:11
  like this. Now Ronald did do drugs and he
• 2:19:14
  also sold drugs to make extra money that's actually the first
• 2:19:17
  time. So the first time, he was
• 2:19:22
  reported to the police in regards to sexual crimes was in
• 2:19:25
  1993. A local Drifter went to the
• 2:19:28
  police and said that Ronald raped him at gunpoint.
• 2:19:32
  He said he met Ronald about two days before the attacks, they
• 2:19:34
  discussed a we buy. He went around Taos and he said
• 2:19:38
  that run was real antsy and kept saying, he want to show him
• 2:19:40
  where his stash was. So he was like, just waiting
• 2:19:43
  this room and then I'll tell you, I'm ready.
• 2:19:45
  And so he was like, I'm ready and then like he walked into the
• 2:19:47
  guy. So the guy walks in Reynolds
• 2:19:49
  bathroom. And there was a gun in his face,
• 2:19:52
  he said that Ronald cuffed him removed, his clothes and raped
• 2:19:55
  him. Then he took off the handcuffs
• 2:19:57
  and told the guy to get out of his house.
• 2:20:01
  This would have seemed like an open-and-shut case, right?
• 2:20:05
  But in 1993, the police and Thibodeaux had never had a case
• 2:20:09
  of a rare, a man raping another man, and this is went in his 70s
• 2:20:15
  still, right? Well, no.
• 2:20:17
  Now we're in 1993, all 93. Okay, so, I mean, even still
• 2:20:21
  like the police. They're just little bigger in
• 2:20:23
  93, but everything's not San Francisco.
• 2:20:26
  Yeah. So, unless a cops in the 90s or
• 2:20:29
  whenever there's Just like a little.
• 2:20:32
  Yeah, if you don't touching gay scenes, a crime scene, they
• 2:20:38
  didn't do anything. Ronald fell back.
• 2:20:46
  Things were really low-key. He just did, he went, he did odd
• 2:20:49
  jobs and then He went home, he drank a lot of alcohol.
• 2:20:56
  The next time he gets in trouble is May of 1984, he gets a DWI
• 2:21:01
  again, only a fine. Now the next big moment and
• 2:21:09
  Ronald will consider this to be one of the most poignant of his
• 2:21:12
  life. But August 25th. 1996, a
• 2:21:15
  half-naked young guy jumps out of the window of the trailer and
• 2:21:19
  runs to the neighbors and says that Ronald tried to rape and
• 2:21:22
  kill him. He said he'd been tied up held
• 2:21:25
  at knifepoint and raped. The police may not have been
• 2:21:28
  well versed in dealing with male rape cases, but they sure knew
• 2:21:31
  what to do with an attempted murder and he was arrested in
• 2:21:33
  his bail, was set at 100 thousand dollars, there you go.
• 2:21:37
  I guess that that works that works.
• 2:21:40
  Now while awaiting trial, Ronald is left in gen pop and brutally
• 2:21:45
  raped on a near constant basis in prison frequently having to
• 2:21:50
  go to the infirmary from beatings, having his rectum
• 2:21:54
  stitched from how bad the assaults were.
• 2:21:58
  Ronald said after he was caught later on, that prison was when
• 2:22:03
  he decided that he was never going back to jail and that he
• 2:22:06
  was going to kill the next person.
• 2:22:08
  He raped to make sure he didn't go back.
• 2:22:12
  Wow. So that happened in May of 96
• 2:22:17
  rate. So, by November of 96 he's just
• 2:22:20
  getting raped like every day in prison and the prosecution is
• 2:22:24
  trying to put together a case. And finally the judge is just
• 2:22:28
  like you can't keep this man in prison indefinitely and the
• 2:22:31
  prosecutor is just like we can't find the victim.
• 2:22:35
  The kid was gone. They couldn't even prove his
• 2:22:38
  identity based on the information that he had told to
• 2:22:41
  the police, the day that he told them.
• 2:22:45
  That Ronald had raped him. Well no victim.
• 2:22:47
  There's no trialed. Ronald is released.
• 2:22:52
  He left prison a better man with severe resentment toward the
• 2:22:56
  justice system. He said he'd been wrongly
• 2:22:59
  accused and they had allowed him to be abused and prison based on
• 2:23:03
  lies. And he began killing people,
• 2:23:07
  nine months after his release. David Mitchell was 19 years old
• 2:23:13
  on July 13th. 1997, when he went missing, he was this really
• 2:23:17
  vibrant. Happy guy.
• 2:23:19
  Who was last seen at a family birthday party when he didn't
• 2:23:23
  make it to work the following Monday.
• 2:23:25
  People were alarmed, David worked at the st.
• 2:23:28
  Charles Parish Hospital, and he loved his job, and he was never
• 2:23:34
  late didn't matter if he had a hard party and weekend before
• 2:23:38
  and he was hungover. He was always on time.
• 2:23:43
  David's boss called his mom and his mom called his sister.
• 2:23:47
  And the two were actually like roommates, they were living
• 2:23:50
  together. And so the sister went to her
• 2:23:52
  brother's room and she was just like his uniform and his
• 2:23:54
  hospital. His Hospital ID are still in the
• 2:23:56
  house. So now here's the worst thing
• 2:23:59
  that happened. Okay.
• 2:24:02
  The family is it's like what the following Monday the family is
• 2:24:05
  freaking out there calling people to trying to figure.
• 2:24:08
  They're contacting his friends before the police could contact
• 2:24:12
  the family. A news report pops on TV,
• 2:24:15
  detailing the death of a young black man found on Interstate
• 2:24:19
  310. His pants were pulled down and
• 2:24:21
  he'd been strangled. The news actually showed the
• 2:24:25
  body. Oh my God.
• 2:24:29
  And David's sister saw his corpse live on television.
• 2:24:33
  That is wild. Excuse me.
• 2:24:36
  That's wild. He had been severely, beaten,
• 2:24:41
  and strangled and The family was traumatized, obviously.
• 2:24:46
  Yeah, I said that based on the image on scream, it looked like
• 2:24:51
  he'd been screaming when he died.
• 2:24:53
  Damn, the Mitchell Family wouldn't learn what actually
• 2:24:58
  happened to him until 2006, Ronald would tell the police
• 2:25:03
  that he met David at a gay bar, but that this wasn't consensual
• 2:25:07
  by any means. He said that Ronald could
• 2:25:10
  convey. Ronald said, he convince David
• 2:25:12
  to leave the bar under false A pretense probably to smoke and
• 2:25:15
  then when they were away from people, Ronald raped, him
• 2:25:17
  strangled, him dumped him on the side of the road.
• 2:25:22
  After the first kill Ronald laid low, it was all over the news
• 2:25:26
  and despite the fact that he wasn't a suspect, he was still a
• 2:25:29
  little worried. He waited as long as he could
• 2:25:33
  before, he could strike. Again, that was five months.
• 2:25:36
  His next victim was Gary Pierre, right before Christmas.
• 2:25:40
  Same Mo meet the guy in the bar convince him to leave somehow go
• 2:25:45
  somewhere. Quiet overpower.
• 2:25:47
  The thinner smaller black man, rape and strangle him.
• 2:25:53
  So Gary was discovered, December 14th 1977 and st.
• 2:25:56
  Charles Parish even less is known about Larry Ranson which
• 2:26:01
  is very close to my last day in letter.
• 2:26:05
  He was 38 and he died. July 31st, 1998's s77.
• 2:26:15
  I meant 97. I wrote it wrong in my notes.
• 2:26:21
  So that so Gary was Is 97 he wait another six months.
• 2:26:26
  Now we have or seven. Wait six yeah to kill Larry the
• 2:26:34
  issue with that was with the police Learned was that like
• 2:26:37
  before Larry the killers were all like early twenties teens.
• 2:26:41
  So with Larry now they realize okay well this person doesn't
• 2:26:44
  have any age range. The only thing that's consistent
• 2:26:49
  is that they're all skinny short black eyes.
• 2:26:54
  The police were still not taking the case of seriously though
• 2:26:56
  because the victims Were Gay and the media didn't really latch
• 2:26:59
  onto it either. Now, throughout the next almost
• 2:27:03
  decade two, detectives are going to take a personal stake in this
• 2:27:06
  case. Then it's Thornton and Dawn
• 2:27:08
  Burger on they were both detectives with Advanced degrees
• 2:27:11
  a solid understanding of the streets.
• 2:27:13
  Louisiana, and most importantly, they didn't have any Prejudice
• 2:27:15
  towards gay men. The two of them were going to
• 2:27:18
  begin to follow these cases from 1988 until the end and they're
• 2:27:22
  kind of the heroes of the story, but before we can get to how it
• 2:27:25
  was solved, unfortunately. There's a lot more victims.
• 2:27:31
  The big, the first big victim of this case was Oliver.
• 2:27:35
  Ah, Lila Banks. He was the first that was widely
• 2:27:39
  publicized and attached to the name of the beige Strangler.
• 2:27:43
  The now the media said that he was a Drifter and transient, but
• 2:27:46
  he really wasn't, like, he had a stable relationship with a
• 2:27:50
  girlfriend. He worked at the new dog trick
• 2:27:51
  Cafe. He had children who he took care
• 2:27:54
  of, he visited them gave them money for their care.
• 2:27:58
  He was close friends with his boss, Mar Paulson and I said
• 2:28:01
  that Ali was a really valued member of the team but
• 2:28:04
  unfortunately had a pretty serious drug problem and that
• 2:28:08
  she had to fire him right before he went missing getting fired
• 2:28:12
  really just made Ali depressed and there was sort of a downward
• 2:28:17
  spiral that eventually led him to Ronald.
• 2:28:20
  Now at this point, it's late 1998 and so Ronald moves from
• 2:28:25
  his smaller town area to the French Quarter in New Orleans.
• 2:28:29
  So, Where Ronald lives is like a suburb.
• 2:28:38
  Of New Orleans with New Orleans being, this massive Hub with
• 2:28:43
  lots of people that travel and move through their right.
• 2:28:52
  By October of 1998, Ronald is also actively hunting, like he
• 2:28:57
  is going to work on the daytime and then leaving and heading to
• 2:29:02
  French Quarter at night. Ali needed money for his drug
• 2:29:08
  habit but also to survive. Sometimes Ali would pick pocket
• 2:29:12
  Taurus because millions of people come through Nola every
• 2:29:16
  year, right? He would sell some drugs, he
• 2:29:18
  would hustle, and occasionally. There was some some gay for pay.
• 2:29:25
  Actually, on the night that he went missing October 3rd 1988,
• 2:29:28
  he was out with his friends, a couple of gay friends, having a
• 2:29:31
  good time, his brother was there, too.
• 2:29:33
  And his brother was just like, why are you with these people
• 2:29:36
  and doing this and all, he's just like, listen, sometimes you
• 2:29:41
  meet some older gay guys who are willing to pay for the younger
• 2:29:46
  gay guys. She's like, it's not that
• 2:29:48
  serious. It's just how I make a little
• 2:29:50
  money here. And there, his brothers like,
• 2:29:54
  all right, but But I'm, I'm gonna go home since y'all are
• 2:29:58
  heading to the gay club for the rest of the night.
• 2:30:02
  Hey, it's still Club. You can go there and party who's
• 2:30:05
  gonna try to pick you up? His brother, was trying to pick
• 2:30:08
  up somebody to get some cash so because the older brother want
• 2:30:12
  anything to do with that. Got you got you got you Ali was
• 2:30:16
  about 27. Ali more than likely saw.
• 2:30:21
  The sad rattled as a potential Mark at the bar.
• 2:30:25
  The Rawhide and Ronald saw him as a thin young black man, he
• 2:30:31
  could kill. When the two went like one
• 2:30:36
  likely Ali approached him and Ronald made him know, he had
• 2:30:39
  cash, the two left the club together.
• 2:30:42
  Ronald said they could hook up in his car and that it was
• 2:30:44
  close. But in reality he had parked
• 2:30:46
  pretty far away. Now according to Ronald, he told
• 2:30:50
  Ali just to rub his thing on him.
• 2:30:56
  Despite the fact that Ronald Dominique was like a very grown
• 2:31:00
  man, the way that he talked in the police interviews and stuff
• 2:31:03
  is very childlike. And some ways like about sex, it
• 2:31:07
  was very weird, very good. And he said, yeah, he said that,
• 2:31:10
  Ali tried to penetrate him and that it made him mad, and he
• 2:31:13
  took a tire iron and be all I to death before he actually killed
• 2:31:16
  him. Then he strangled Ali, who was
• 2:31:20
  already unconscious, He told the police that he let out a lot of
• 2:31:24
  the pent-up rage from when he was in prison and then he
• 2:31:26
  dragged Ali's body into his station wagon and dumped him and
• 2:31:30
  overpass under the three time. The police found Ali October 5th
• 2:31:34
  1998. No, shoot, no shirt shoes.
• 2:31:37
  And his pants were around his ankles.
• 2:31:39
  This will become very consistent with every victim.
• 2:31:42
  Ali was ID because he had a prior history of petty.
• 2:31:45
  Theft, his older brother. Michael was pretty sad because
• 2:31:49
  he been the last to see his brother alive.
• 2:31:51
  I knew exactly what his brother was going to do, which was
• 2:31:54
  dangerous. Hmm, he related this to the
• 2:31:58
  police and Dennis Thornton ended up getting the case.
• 2:32:01
  He went to the bar and talk to everybody, he could but no one
• 2:32:04
  remembered who Ali left the bar. With now, Dennis Thornton was
• 2:32:09
  the one to make the connection between olly Mitchell Gary and
• 2:32:12
  Larry, all of these victims have been dumped me in the 310
• 2:32:16
  Highway. They also discovered another
• 2:32:19
  weird similarity. No fibers on On the bodies.
• 2:32:22
  No fingerprints no hair and no DNA.
• 2:32:28
  As at this point that they contacted the FBI and ask for a
• 2:32:32
  profile. Unfortunately this was there is
• 2:32:34
  limited information and the FBI was just like he's going to be
• 2:32:37
  poor white with virtually no education.
• 2:32:40
  And while this did describe Ronald, it also described a
• 2:32:43
  million other men in Louisiana. So as the police are trying to
• 2:32:51
  learn about the by Strangler, Ronald goes to his job at st.
• 2:32:54
  Charles Parish maintenance as if nothing happened.
• 2:32:59
  The one thing that they do find our Ali's body are a few.
• 2:33:03
  Like when I say a few like, under 10 hairs and they're able
• 2:33:08
  to determine that, these are definitely the hairs of a
• 2:33:11
  Caucasian person. This is the first time out of
• 2:33:15
  all four murders that they got any kind of DNA evidence.
• 2:33:21
  Dinosaur. Denise based on the dump sites
• 2:33:24
  that the Killer's safe space is near the airport and Ronald did
• 2:33:30
  live. Thirteen point five miles from
• 2:33:32
  the New Orleans International Airport.
• 2:33:34
  Two weeks later, the detectives are called to see the remains of
• 2:33:37
  16 year old Joseph Brown, just like Ali he's found shoeless
• 2:33:41
  shirtless and with his pants pulled down, this was more than
• 2:33:44
  alarming for Thornton because he could barely get a handle on it
• 2:33:48
  and like he's collected evidence on this case and then Bruce
• 2:33:52
  Williams is has found November 27th 1998 less than a month
• 2:33:56
  after Joseph. Same Parish where they're
• 2:33:59
  looking for information on Ali and Joseph.
• 2:34:02
  Now he was able to get more information about Bruce who was
• 2:34:04
  18 years old and very well known in the French Quarter.
• 2:34:08
  No, well-known enough at the locals were worried when he just
• 2:34:10
  disappeared. He also had been raped and even
• 2:34:15
  though Thornton was open-minded about gay people, he had never
• 2:34:18
  experienced so much like male on male rape in a case he was just
• 2:34:23
  like this doesn't happen. So because these crimes happened
• 2:34:29
  to the last to happen, closer to the French Quarter that put them
• 2:34:31
  in a different County. And so New Orleans PD, reach out
• 2:34:36
  to FBI for a profile, that's Jefferson Parish Jefferson.
• 2:34:41
  Parish gets a response to this has a little bit more
• 2:34:44
  information. White, male, mid-30s, probable,
• 2:34:47
  High School, Dropout, difficulty, with social skills,
• 2:34:50
  which unfortunately, is the norm for like most serial killers.
• 2:34:57
  However, the feds confirm what Thornton believe, which is that
• 2:35:01
  the Kill Zone shows that he lives near the airport and that
• 2:35:05
  this is his safe Zone. He like some killer specifically
• 2:35:09
  kill outside of where they live, but that's not Ronald.
• 2:35:13
  Ronald is picking places. Very close to where he lives.
• 2:35:18
  Now, one thing that the cops and the FEDS are confused about as
• 2:35:22
  at this crimes intra-racial. Most crime happens within pretty
• 2:35:28
  segregated racial communities. That's why most black people get
• 2:35:32
  mad. When you hear black on black
• 2:35:33
  crime, most crime is white on white black on black.
• 2:35:37
  Like because we even though integration happened in America,
• 2:35:40
  we still live in pretty segregated Community.
• 2:35:44
  Great, we check we stay. And so we've had like racist
• 2:35:49
  serial killers that were trying to further the Aryan Nation
• 2:35:52
  agenda and their own way, but that's not what this That's
• 2:35:55
  because people who are killing to, you know, cleanse the human
• 2:35:59
  population are not having sex with those victims, sex crimes,
• 2:36:03
  usually happen with those closely segregated groups, there
• 2:36:07
  are very few power and control sex killers that kill
• 2:36:11
  interracially. Honestly, I can only think of
• 2:36:14
  the other one is Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes, that's that's all I thought
• 2:36:18
  of brought it up. Yep.
• 2:36:21
  Jeffrey Dahmer. Also had a thing for black men.
• 2:36:25
  I've personally, I will he also loved a man of color.
• 2:36:28
  He also kills couple Asian men, too.
• 2:36:30
  But personally, it's something I've wondered because I wonder
• 2:36:35
  if the Look specifically with the Dahmer case, I wondered if
• 2:36:42
  he was sexually fetishizing his victims.
• 2:36:45
  So it wasn't that it was a fetish.
• 2:36:50
  See, I just thought like when I heard it it was just like he was
• 2:36:53
  hunting in his area, that was his area.
• 2:36:55
  And that's where he lived in. These were two men that were
• 2:36:59
  readily available to him. I think in the case with Ronald,
• 2:37:05
  though, he may have been raped by black men in prison and he
• 2:37:07
  was taking out his frustration on black man that he could
• 2:37:11
  dominate member because he's up, he's not like a tall guy but
• 2:37:17
  he's a big guy like and rotund. He's going after new skinny
• 2:37:22
  small, black em, somebody. That in any situation, he can
• 2:37:26
  get a handle on them and like knock them down.
• 2:37:31
  So Ronald takes a break. Rather odd considering it seems
• 2:37:36
  like he was about to ramp up. I mean he we were getting two
• 2:37:41
  weeks apart one month apart, right.
• 2:37:44
  The next next murder doesn't happen until May 30th. 1999 that
• 2:37:50
  was Manuel read. He was 21 years old, like all
• 2:37:53
  the other victims men and well was slim black, but something
• 2:37:56
  changed this time. His body was put inside of a
• 2:38:00
  dumpster. Ronald, with testify later that
• 2:38:03
  he met Manuel at a local bar, proposition him for sex, and
• 2:38:06
  then took me awhile to a station wagon.
• 2:38:08
  Ronald said that they Fooled Around and that fooling around
• 2:38:12
  was defined as Mutual fellatio. And then Ronald said that Manuel
• 2:38:16
  pushed him down and entered him. And of course, he grabbed his
• 2:38:20
  tire iron and beat Manuel and strangle him afterward.
• 2:38:23
  This Probably sounds familiar, doesn't it?
• 2:38:25
  Exactly like what he said about the other guy?
• 2:38:28
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:38:29
  Which made the people that were executing this think that he was
• 2:38:34
  in a fantasy. When this happened, this fantasy
• 2:38:37
  of him, taking back, you know, his his pride, from what
• 2:38:42
  happened to him and present because Manuel was also raped.
• 2:38:47
  But in this, the story that Ronald told he didn't see that
• 2:38:52
  happened. So part of these unfortunately
• 2:38:57
  we only get like a partial bit of closure with him being honest
• 2:39:02
  about some of these murders because he's a little bit
• 2:39:05
  delusional. One month later June thirtieth
• 2:39:09
  nineteen ninety two, twenty one-year-old Angel mayhaw was
• 2:39:12
  found laying in front of a dumpster.
• 2:39:15
  Angel was another black man struggling and doing what he
• 2:39:17
  could to make ends meet and had a bad run of luck meeting Ronald
• 2:39:22
  as one of his clients. Angela's victim.
• 2:39:24
  Number 8. Now, interestingly enough.
• 2:39:27
  One thing happens here. Angel dies and the media
• 2:39:32
  suddenly becomes very interested in this case.
• 2:39:36
  The copper of the Baton Rouge Advocate newspaper in blazing
• 2:39:41
  with bold. Black letters, shoeless body
• 2:39:44
  could be work of serial killer. For some reason, the media
• 2:39:48
  fixates on the fact that all of these victims are met, or a lot
• 2:39:51
  of the victims are missing shoes, and then they start
• 2:39:54
  writing in the newspapers that all of the victims are missing
• 2:39:57
  shoes. Why did it take you so long to
• 2:40:00
  mention that? Well, one, it wasn't true but to
• 2:40:04
  I just think it's really interesting because I would have
• 2:40:05
  assumed that the papers would have been like, can we talk
• 2:40:08
  about this whole gay murder thing happening?
• 2:40:11
  I guess, I guess that. Nope, no article after article
• 2:40:17
  about victims, missing shoes. And if this was the killer
• 2:40:20
  signature, But it wasn't true. Well, no not all of them are
• 2:40:26
  missing shoes. I think that the shoes just fell
• 2:40:28
  off as he was dragging, their bodies around his once he was
• 2:40:32
  done with them, he didn't particularly care.
• 2:40:35
  So it's not like a trophy thingy, take their shoes and
• 2:40:38
  then like put him in his closet or something like that.
• 2:40:41
  No, the murders didn't happen at the dump site today more than
• 2:40:44
  likely got lost in the process. Right?
• 2:40:46
  Okay. Now the wait for the next kill
• 2:40:48
  is two months. This is Mitchell Johnson.
• 2:40:50
  He's 34 a bit older than the others but Ronald Tell the
• 2:40:54
  police later that Mitchell was just his type Mitchell was
• 2:40:58
  well-built lean muscle and he was dumped just a few feet away
• 2:41:02
  from where Ali was dumped in the middle of the August, heat in
• 2:41:06
  New Orleans. This was a move Rife with
• 2:41:12
  arrogance. The police weren't sure if he
• 2:41:15
  was stupid or if he was taunting them.
• 2:41:17
  For not being able to find him. Ronald would later tell the
• 2:41:20
  police he made the body dumps so public because he wanted the
• 2:41:25
  recognition Using Ali's dump site was, so they knew it was
• 2:41:30
  him and he'd be able to watch them cover the case.
• 2:41:34
  Oh, Now the autopsy comes back like all the others raped and
• 2:41:40
  strangled, but there were Witnesses this time who had seen
• 2:41:43
  Mitchell in the city of Jenner, and they remembered seeing a
• 2:41:46
  weird. Chubby white guy with a receding
• 2:41:48
  hairline and puffy cheeks who was cruising the area.
• 2:41:51
  Now, for people who don't know, cruising kind of came up during
• 2:41:55
  like the early days of gay stuff, which is when it was
• 2:41:58
  illegal for gay clubs and lounges to exist.
• 2:42:02
  So, when gay guys wanted to find somebody to hook up with they
• 2:42:06
  went And so they would go to a place, that was only known among
• 2:42:10
  gay people to look for other gay men, as gay clubs expanded and
• 2:42:15
  cruising spots declined, it exists in more of a modern term
• 2:42:20
  as looking for prostitutes. And so essentially, if he's
• 2:42:26
  cruising, he's looking for folks who are willing to pay to play,
• 2:42:33
  Sketch though. We get the first sketch November
• 2:42:36
  of 1989 the hairline the round face and the cheeks.
• 2:42:40
  Make for a very distinctive sketch.
• 2:42:43
  It was on every newspaper. Coincidentally Ronald abruptly,
• 2:42:46
  quit his job, packed up his mobile home and moved to the
• 2:42:49
  town of Hama, which is about 58 miles away, and very south in
• 2:42:54
  Louisiana right into the Gulf of Mexico.
• 2:42:57
  He requested to park his mobile home on his sister.
• 2:43:00
  Laney and her husband's property that she didn't mind.
• 2:43:03
  She had seen her brother in a while.
• 2:43:05
  While since she's moved out of the area, he told her he was
• 2:43:08
  just looking for a change but how much was just as poor as the
• 2:43:12
  town of boot? And so he hadn't really changed
• 2:43:16
  in terms of where he was living. Just another small, poor town.
• 2:43:20
  So, Ronald gets a job working at Cairo produce and he's a stellar
• 2:43:24
  employee. No, write-ups, to attendance
• 2:43:25
  issues. He perfected, the personality of
• 2:43:28
  being the nice guy, who helps everyone that everybody forgets
• 2:43:31
  about. He took every shift from his
• 2:43:33
  co-workers needed, he did what he did.
• 2:43:35
  Fast outside of murder and that was become invisible.
• 2:43:39
  Most people aren't checking for the portly guy who silently
• 2:43:42
  bags, your groceries and nods his head.
• 2:43:45
  One of the most interesting things though was that if Ronald
• 2:43:48
  had stopped killing right now, it is very likely that the beige
• 2:43:52
  Strangler murders would have never been solved.
• 2:43:57
  But obviously, he did not stop because serial killers are
• 2:44:02
  addicts? 23 year-old Mitchell.
• 2:44:04
  Vincent went missing New Year's Eve 1999.
• 2:44:08
  Now Mitchell was an Old Pro in terms of being in criminal.
• 2:44:13
  He went by a, he had an alias, which was Chris Vincent.
• 2:44:16
  He was known to look the forced Parish PD as someone, who often
• 2:44:20
  got caught trading sex for cash. He was 57 lean dark skin with a
• 2:44:26
  mustache and it Goatee. He ever only really gotten into
• 2:44:29
  trouble for aggravated battery. Otherwise, his record was just
• 2:44:32
  misdemeanors and the police usually didn't care enough to
• 2:44:35
  try and put somebody away for something as simple as, you
• 2:44:38
  know, two guys trying to bang each other.
• 2:44:42
  On Jane. On January first though.
• 2:44:44
  Mitchell was dumped on a barbed wire fence on Highway 7 because
• 2:44:49
  of the holiday we also have she couldn't be done until January
• 2:44:52
  3rd and there was no forensic evidence left behind, but there
• 2:44:57
  were a couple key. Differences, Mitchell have been
• 2:44:59
  tied up before he was raped. There were also abrasions on his
• 2:45:02
  upper, right chest to cuts on the lower right side and a small
• 2:45:07
  abrasion to his scrotum the cuts were confusing until they
• 2:45:12
  discovered that he did have crack cocaine in his pockets.
• 2:45:18
  They wonder if maybe the cuts were like a site.
• 2:45:25
  To inject incur. The abrasions were from him
• 2:45:33
  being dragged on the ground so they were like, we need to build
• 2:45:36
  a task force, this killer is on the move, so don Burger on lived
• 2:45:41
  in Hama and that's how she and Dennis would meet through this
• 2:45:47
  task force. The problem was, as quickly as
• 2:45:50
  the task force is put together, it's canceled, because
• 2:45:53
  absolutely nothing happens. Next Nothing no more murders.
• 2:46:02
  Donald just stops for two years. For.
• 2:46:07
  So they're like listen we can't put money towards a case where
• 2:46:10
  nothing's happening. Yeah so you all go back to your
• 2:46:13
  cities and go back to your jobs and I guess if he murders again,
• 2:46:17
  we'll get back on this. Dennis.
• 2:46:19
  However could not let that go. He started looking at some other
• 2:46:24
  cases. Now there was a guy in Kansas
• 2:46:26
  who had killed 10 people and just stopped he called himself.
• 2:46:29
  The BTK killer that guy wasn't this guy because well then is
• 2:46:34
  Raider killed women. But the questions Still up in
• 2:46:37
  the air, did the bay, you stranglers give steeds Dennis
• 2:46:40
  started checking every piece of information.
• 2:46:42
  He could get his hands on to see if there were any other thin
• 2:46:45
  young, adult black men who were raped and strangled anywhere
• 2:46:49
  else in the United States and mind you.
• 2:46:51
  This is all on his own time, he's the regular like the police
• 2:46:56
  were like, there's nothing you can look at.
• 2:47:00
  So he's doing his regular police work and then on the side, doing
• 2:47:04
  his serial killer research. Now, Ronald stayed out of the
• 2:47:10
  police Limelight until February 10th 2002.
• 2:47:13
  He was at a Mardi, Gras celebration and he slapped a
• 2:47:15
  woman because he said that she'd hit a baby stroller in the
• 2:47:18
  parking lot with a car. The two argued it got hot and
• 2:47:21
  then he hit her. Believe it or not, this is
• 2:47:25
  really uncommon. Usually serial killers who have
• 2:47:27
  a criminal past, right? But they tend to stay out of the
• 2:47:32
  legal system while they are, actively killing the police made
• 2:47:37
  a deal with Ronald, obviously, not realizing that they had the
• 2:47:40
  by Strangler and their hands and said of a trial.
• 2:47:43
  He went to something called The Parish offenders program.
• 2:47:46
  This was alternative sentencing and it was really popular in the
• 2:47:51
  early 2000s. The idea, Was to keep low level
• 2:47:55
  offenders out of prison and save space for the rapists and
• 2:47:57
  murderers and Drug traffickers. Also it saves a lot of money.
• 2:48:01
  Ronald put on his nice guy, smile and he became the number
• 2:48:05
  one offender. In the program, he meant all
• 2:48:08
  conditions and was released in October of 2002.
• 2:48:12
  Now during his break, Ronald continue his work at the produce
• 2:48:15
  store but he took a second job at Domino's Which means there
• 2:48:20
  are people who are alive, who got their pizza delivered, by
• 2:48:23
  the bay you Strangler. Oh my God, having two jobs did
• 2:48:28
  take up most of his time and it did keep him from crime in on
• 2:48:32
  the weekends. He volunteered the Lions Club,
• 2:48:34
  he called Bingo numbers for the senior citizens, he had turned
• 2:48:38
  himself into a model citizen. The problem was, of course that
• 2:48:42
  by. Now, Ronald love the sex but he
• 2:48:45
  loved killing more. He had a taste for the blood and
• 2:48:49
  that the cops weren't sticking around him.
• 2:48:52
  He decided that he wanted the opportunity to be with his
• 2:48:55
  kills, a little longer. He had discovered all kinds of
• 2:48:59
  places in how Mama as a pizza delivery driver.
• 2:49:04
  So he settled on an empty. Open area with the unknowing
• 2:49:09
  help of his brother-in-law. Sam Trimble Sam worked at a
• 2:49:13
  shipyard and Ronald was like that is the perfect place.
• 2:49:17
  Ace. So with all that extra money
• 2:49:19
  that he was bringing in, he bought a second smaller trailer
• 2:49:24
  and drove it to a field near the shipyard.
• 2:49:27
  And that was when he started hunting again.
• 2:49:30
  This time though, he was like, I didn't care if they were gay or
• 2:49:33
  straight, I'd offer them drugs or sex just to get them into my
• 2:49:37
  car. Oh wow, his next victim with
• 2:49:39
  Kenneth Fitzgerald. Randolph jr.
• 2:49:42
  He was 20 years old, born and raised in beyou blue.
• 2:49:45
  Interestingly enough, despite all the cruising that Ronald was
• 2:49:48
  doing looking for victims, he ended up picking up somebody who
• 2:49:51
  lived only a couple of blocks away from him, but this wasn't
• 2:49:55
  suspicious because Kenneth had a real bad criminal past.
• 2:50:01
  The other things that were different with this one was that
• 2:50:04
  Kenneth was about 510 150 pounds, so taller and a little
• 2:50:08
  bit bigger than the guys who run up normally when, after so
• 2:50:12
  death, but it's tight. Not the norm.
• 2:50:15
  Also, very young, if he said that man, in his 30s were more
• 2:50:18
  his type, but Kenneth had first gotten in trouble for having sex
• 2:50:23
  with a minor and he was arrested for carnal knowledge of a child,
• 2:50:27
  then he got criminal damage of property and then he got
• 2:50:31
  arrested again for sex with a child and spent a year in prison
• 2:50:37
  where he got released and walked right into the waiting arms of
• 2:50:41
  Ronald Dominique. So Kenneth the pedophile met up
• 2:50:45
  with Ronald the serial killer They found Candace body in the
• 2:50:50
  sugar, cane fields of Lafourche Parish October 6, 2002.
• 2:50:54
  He was completely nude and even though it hadn't been there for
• 2:50:57
  very long, decomp is very fast and the Louisiana climate.
• 2:51:02
  The killer had posed this body. So that his butt was lifted up
• 2:51:06
  in the air and he was face down. Just like all the others though.
• 2:51:10
  He had been strangled and raped and just like Mitchell Vincent.
• 2:51:14
  He had been tied up while he was alive and choked Twice first
• 2:51:19
  with a rope. And then by hand, they wrote
• 2:51:23
  this down the choking, obviously meant something important to the
• 2:51:26
  killer. What I think is that he probably
• 2:51:30
  needed the Rope. to do it because Kenneth was a bigger
• 2:51:35
  guy, a rope, the Rope, probably, he probably did it from behind
• 2:51:40
  and he choked him until he passed out and then because he
• 2:51:44
  needed the to get him off, he did it by hand, so that he could
• 2:51:49
  get the thrill of the killing from that, but that he wasn't
• 2:51:52
  able to hold Kenneth down, Being that this was a bigger guy than
• 2:51:58
  right retail. Even though we have all these
• 2:52:04
  murders, FEI Yue Strangler doesn't make the prep because
• 2:52:08
  the u.s. is currently embroiled in the war in the Middle East.
• 2:52:13
  So the u.s. Press is obsessed with
• 2:52:15
  conversations about that Kansas has the country's ear as far as
• 2:52:19
  serial. Killers go.
• 2:52:21
  Nobody seemed to really care about Terrebonne Parish except
• 2:52:24
  for a couple loan cops, who were bothered by this?
• 2:52:27
  Dude's Brazen Behavior. He's like he is really ballsy.
• 2:52:31
  Here. Oh my God.
• 2:52:34
  Six days later rods on the hunt. Again, Anoka Jones is the next
• 2:52:38
  victor victim now Anoka was 26 and he had a pretty hard life of
• 2:52:43
  being poor and doing crime to get by.
• 2:52:45
  He had been arrested multiple times throughout his life for
• 2:52:48
  Deft and drugs and Battery. But he had a girlfriend now and
• 2:52:53
  he wanted to do right by her. He wanted to be a good man for
• 2:52:56
  Shelly Weston. They lived in an apartment on
• 2:52:58
  Fremont Street and Anoka had gone out to get some smoke.
• 2:53:01
  Oaks he was right on his bike around 8 p.m. to the local
• 2:53:04
  Corner Store. When Ronald saw him, Now what
• 2:53:08
  Witnesses say they saw was that Noca as he liked to call himself
• 2:53:14
  stopped, talk to the guy through the Wyndham and then drove back
• 2:53:17
  home. Z, he went home.
• 2:53:20
  He told Shelly, he loved her and then he told her, he was going
• 2:53:23
  to smoke outside again. This time, however, Shelly
• 2:53:27
  understood, the subtext. She knew that when he said at
• 2:53:30
  this time and meant that he was going to be gone for a bit doing
• 2:53:34
  something that he didn't want her to know about know, somebody
• 2:53:37
  should we doing got it, two hours later, Ronald was driving
• 2:53:41
  around. How mama with no cos dead body
• 2:53:43
  in his backseat. He drove all the way back home
• 2:53:47
  to booth. And dropped.
• 2:53:49
  No. Cos body on the side of the road
• 2:53:52
  of the 310 Highway. His remains were found on
• 2:53:57
  October 13 by a passing police officer.
• 2:54:01
  The Cavalry of course arrived taking fingerprints from
• 2:54:03
  everything and anything they could find taking all the
• 2:54:06
  pictures. They had his name and address by
• 2:54:08
  the afternoon. October 14th.
• 2:54:10
  They arrived at Shelley Weston's house with a mug shot and she
• 2:54:16
  just started crying. Because she knew that that meant
• 2:54:20
  he was probably dead. That's been gone all night.
• 2:54:24
  If like if there's one thing that bothers me, the most, when
• 2:54:29
  you tell me stories about serial killers is it's it's that like
• 2:54:34
  one of their victims ends up being someone who's trying to
• 2:54:37
  get their life together. You know, they're on the road in
• 2:54:40
  order to get their life together, you're doing this
• 2:54:42
  because stuff and then they end up fucking dead.
• 2:54:46
  Yeah. I mean it's weird because naoko
• 2:54:48
  on one hand, he wanted to get better for this.
• 2:54:51
  This new woman in his life, but on the other hand, The thing
• 2:54:54
  that got him killed, was him trying to do a drug deal with
• 2:54:59
  Ronald Dominique. So he still couldn't leave it
• 2:55:01
  behind and unfortunately that was the thing that got him in
• 2:55:03
  the end. Yeah.
• 2:55:05
  That should just breaks my heart.
• 2:55:08
  The police of Lafourche Parish first looked into the idea that
• 2:55:11
  this was a drug murder because of milk, has known history was
• 2:55:15
  selling, but eventually they ended up connecting it to Dennis
• 2:55:18
  Thornton. It's kind of hilarious.
• 2:55:20
  They kind of ambushed him one day at his police.
• 2:55:23
  Precinct with their case and they were like this is like
• 2:55:27
  yours. He's just in his office and cops
• 2:55:32
  from three different parishes arrived and they all sit down
• 2:55:36
  and compare notes and they come to the same conclusion.
• 2:55:39
  It's the same guy. Now, back in Terrebonne, Parish
• 2:55:44
  Ronald decides, it's time to go. He hooked a little trailer out
• 2:55:49
  in the shipyard to his car, a Sonoma and then he headed out of
• 2:55:52
  town. It was time to find a new place
• 2:55:55
  to live and to hunt so between the last murder.
• 2:56:04
  And the one that's coming up a significant amount of time ends.
• 2:56:10
  The next one wouldn't be until May 24th 2003 and pretty much
• 2:56:13
  what happens here is that Ronald moves back in with his mom and
• 2:56:17
  his sister before. He had like his own trailer and
• 2:56:22
  I don't know what he did with it.
• 2:56:24
  I'm like, did he sell it didn't have too much evidence in it but
• 2:56:27
  regardless, pretty much for the next three years he's going to
• 2:56:30
  be living with his mom, okay? The next murder is, May 24th
• 2:56:36
  2003, a big gap between October. But the victim was to Truro,
• 2:56:42
  Woods, 19 years old. He had recently been released
• 2:56:45
  from prison and he hadn't really learned too much in prison.
• 2:56:51
  Hmm. He told some of his cousins and
• 2:56:54
  he was going to move in with his girlfriend, but the real issue
• 2:56:59
  as to why he needed to move is that he had broken into
• 2:57:03
  somebody's house and the homeowner instead of calling the
• 2:57:07
  police contacted your Trail and told him, if I don't get my
• 2:57:11
  rings back. I'm going to show up to your
• 2:57:13
  mom's house and I'm going to kill everyone inside.
• 2:57:15
  Oh damn, the the person apparently he had been robbing
• 2:57:20
  the same guy. Over and over this man lives on
• 2:57:24
  the corner of Elder Street, and he was just sick and tired of
• 2:57:27
  it. What?
• 2:57:29
  And like. So he told his mom, he's like,
• 2:57:31
  hey, you know, I need to go do some things.
• 2:57:34
  I'm gonna go move in with my girlfriend, and his mom was
• 2:57:37
  like, no, I know, you're up to no good.
• 2:57:40
  She's like, please don't leave. She said you had an appointment
• 2:57:44
  on May 27th with the Social Security office.
• 2:57:47
  He was like, fuck the Social Security office.
• 2:57:50
  He got her some water. And he left the house.
• 2:57:53
  He was like, I need to go make some money to pay this man
• 2:57:56
  because he's going to kill me for stealing from him.
• 2:58:00
  He of course, never made it back to his mom's house or to that
• 2:58:04
  appointment. He actually never made it to go
• 2:58:06
  get the money that he needed to pay the guy back.
• 2:58:10
  He was found a few days later by two cousins who were at three
• 2:58:13
  Wheeling off of Highway 56. They told the press that the
• 2:58:17
  body looked puffy. And they did.
• 2:58:21
  I mean this was 2003 so cell phones weren't super common at
• 2:58:25
  this point, but some people had them.
• 2:58:26
  Some people didn't these two were younger and didn't have
• 2:58:29
  them. I think in 2003 it was a little
• 2:58:32
  uncommon for a young people to have phones.
• 2:58:37
  It was more of a like grown-ups. I think I got my mom's leftover,
• 2:58:44
  Nokia brick, probably around 2004.
• 2:58:49
  And it was mainly because I was take like the Dork that I am.
• 2:58:52
  I was taking an extra class at school, good writing class
• 2:58:55
  during the summer and it was so funny, like, you're in summer
• 2:58:59
  school. And I'm like, no, no, no, this
• 2:59:00
  is extra work because that's the kind of child that I was.
• 2:59:05
  And my mom gave me the phone so that I could call and let her
• 2:59:08
  know when I got out, when I got on the bus etcetera, Etc,
• 2:59:12
  because she was worried. So like I was 16 then though, so
• 2:59:17
  it was It was kind of uncommon it like young.
• 2:59:19
  Like 10, 12 year, olds had cell phones back then.
• 2:59:22
  So those two drove, their little bikes to a nearby casino and
• 2:59:26
  told like the first person they saw the casino, we found a dead
• 2:59:30
  body and the casino called the police.
• 2:59:36
  And they took the police back over to Charles body.
• 2:59:40
  His bike was with him. See the night before he had gone
• 2:59:44
  to, his plan was to stop by his friends house.
• 2:59:47
  Pick up his bike. Then head over sell some drugs
• 2:59:52
  and then I'm guessing give that drug money to the guy who he
• 2:59:55
  stole the Rings and sold them. So somewhere between getting the
• 3:00:00
  bike from his friends house, he went missing and because he had
• 3:00:07
  this bike at him when he died, interestingly enough, there was
• 3:00:11
  no dirt on the bike Treads. There were no, he didn't have
• 3:00:15
  issues but there was no dirt on his socks.
• 3:00:18
  It May and it had been very dry for the past few days about 85
• 3:00:24
  degrees so they couldn't figure out why there was a strange
• 3:00:27
  liquid around the body. Like he had been submerged at
• 3:00:30
  some point, but it where he was found was bone dry.
• 3:00:35
  He had been stripped of any and all of his identification
• 3:00:39
  actually kind of sadly one of the detectives that was called
• 3:00:42
  like turned him over because he was face down and realized that
• 3:00:46
  he neutral and his mother and so that detective technically was
• 3:00:51
  able to identify him, but he still had to go to the mom's
• 3:00:55
  house to get a positive ID from a family room, a relative So,
• 3:01:02
  the police focused on the man, he robbed his efforts because,
• 3:01:05
  like, you know, he stole from you repeatedly.
• 3:01:08
  And you did say you were going to kill him, but that man had a
• 3:01:12
  solid Alibi. They talked to his friend, Gary,
• 3:01:16
  the one who he had given him a ride to go pick up his bike.
• 3:01:19
  Gary was like, he left on his bike, that was all.
• 3:01:23
  They had their eventually, they linked him to the other killings
• 3:01:26
  and realized that this is work of a serial killer and not
• 3:01:30
  somebody who knew Detroit even though he was in a lot of like,
• 3:01:36
  Just trouble all the time. Right?
• 3:01:38
  Right now, January of 2004 comes and Ronald gets laid off from
• 3:01:46
  the produce store. He had got he gets a job working
• 3:01:49
  at Gulf Coast maintenance and how am I?
• 3:01:52
  But he only stayed for about six months then he gets his next job
• 3:01:57
  as a meter reader and that was perfect for Ronald.
• 3:02:01
  He didn't kill during this time at all, but he definitely did.
• 3:02:05
  why's that, if he Killed stopped picked a new town.
• 3:02:10
  This was the method to keep the police kind of confused.
• 3:02:13
  At least for now. Now while he's at work as a
• 3:02:18
  meter reader, he realizes that he's finding all these really
• 3:02:24
  good locations and he can like Prospect, but he knew he
• 3:02:28
  couldn't write it down because if he wrote it down that, proved
• 3:02:31
  that it was first-degree murder. And he was planning it, but he
• 3:02:35
  just kind of made a mental note. Note as he drove around
• 3:02:39
  different places in Terrebonne Parish, he's like, oh, that'd be
• 3:02:42
  a good dump site. and of course, since he had stopped, killing
• 3:02:47
  from May of 2003 on And it's now January.
• 3:02:54
  The police aren't kind of stumped by this time.
• 3:02:58
  January 2004. There have been 13.
• 3:03:00
  Murders across five different parishes but they didn't know
• 3:03:02
  the details just yet. Unfortunately, none of them like
• 3:03:07
  knew that if they just checked the boot database, they would
• 3:03:10
  have found that he was charged with attempted rape years ago.
• 3:03:19
  At this point, Dennis Thornton detective starts reaching out.
• 3:03:25
  He's like, listen, I know you were going to do a task force
• 3:03:28
  before and that didn't really work out but this time we have a
• 3:03:31
  lot more evidence and there's a lot more bad.
• 3:03:36
  So he starts kind of hammer in the state.
• 3:03:39
  He's like listen, I want us to do a real task force this time.
• 3:03:44
  Well, that's going on Ronald strikes again, but it's October
• 3:03:48
  of 2004, everybody's trying to prep for tropical storm Matthew
• 3:03:53
  which is Kickin south Louisiana in the but there's like 80 mile
• 3:03:57
  an hour winds and here's Ronald driving around looking for
• 3:04:01
  somebody to murder. So they find Larry Matthews body
• 3:04:09
  near a pond and day. Almonds, the man who found it
• 3:04:14
  was Jeff Mauro. And he was a banker, and he also
• 3:04:17
  didn't have a cell phone, so he drove home.
• 3:04:19
  And he knocked on his neighbor's door.
• 3:04:21
  His neighbor was Don Jerome, who was a criminologist for the
• 3:04:25
  sheriff's office in st. Charles Parish.
• 3:04:28
  Oh my God. So don calls the police and he's
• 3:04:30
  like, I'm going there right away.
• 3:04:34
  He makes it in about 20 minutes, he determines, if the remains
• 3:04:37
  are fresh due to a lack of rigor mortis, he checks the pockets,
• 3:04:40
  there's nothing there. The body was wet.
• 3:04:43
  And so, of course, he goes, he probably dumped him during the
• 3:04:47
  storm and attempt to, you know, have the rain beat any sort of
• 3:04:51
  evidence off of him. He liked this boy, they said the
• 3:04:55
  the storm that like the rain was sometimes going like sideways.
• 3:04:59
  Oh damn, I love that sideways rain.
• 3:05:03
  So He ends up using his little digital camera that he has to
• 3:05:06
  take as many pictures as he can of everything, while he waits
• 3:05:09
  for the detectives to show up. The autopsy is the next day.
• 3:05:12
  They learned that he had been killed with the tremendous
• 3:05:15
  amount of force and the overkill was significant, he had bruises
• 3:05:20
  on his shoulders, his back, his behind his head, the corner.
• 3:05:25
  However, then did a drug test and was like, ah, this must have
• 3:05:31
  been an overdose and actually listed on his death certificate
• 3:05:36
  was not death certificate but to go that's the term that I know.
• 3:05:40
  But I've been told by people in the field you don't call it a
• 3:05:45
  death certificate but it's a it looks like the things that
• 3:05:48
  happen to your body and how you likely died.
• 3:05:51
  He writes it was an accidental overdose and I'm like, buddy.
• 3:05:54
  You just said that He was beat like, to crap before he died.
• 3:05:59
  What do you mean he OD'd? Are you thinking like a
• 3:06:01
  Coroner's report, something like that?
• 3:06:06
  Darn it. No, don't look it up.
• 3:06:07
  I'm just asking just a lot of morticians and people like that
• 3:06:14
  and Interesting. I was just thinking it was like
• 3:06:24
  nothing. I heard people say, Yeah.
• 3:06:31
  No dash is the morticians. This is okay.
• 3:06:35
  Okay. I think you're right.
• 3:06:36
  It's a Coroner's report. But yeah, so they he puts in his
• 3:06:40
  report though. This is accident accident
• 3:06:43
  overdose, which I feel kind of contradicts all these abrasions
• 3:06:47
  and bruises all over Larry body painter.
• 3:06:51
  Also doesn't write on the report if the victim was raped or not.
• 3:06:59
  And then in a strange case that his prints come back and they
• 3:07:02
  find out that he's from Thibodaux. so, he's from the
• 3:07:06
  same town, where Ronald grew up He's and he's also 46 years old,
• 3:07:13
  which is the oldest victim that they have had so far.
• 3:07:17
  So they contact, Larry's brother, who tells them that he
• 3:07:21
  hadn't seen his brother for three or four days.
• 3:07:26
  Then I got it. There's all that could explain
• 3:07:28
  to you is that this was a wild goose chase.
• 3:07:31
  They followed every lead possible and they did determine
• 3:07:34
  that. Like at one point.
• 3:07:35
  There is a friend's house with a bunch of random white people and
• 3:07:38
  that he had walked out of his friends house.
• 3:07:40
  After drinking and playing cards and just never come back.
• 3:07:45
  They closed the case and determined that at some point he
• 3:07:48
  must have gone and gotten drugs and done too many drugs and
• 3:07:55
  what? So that really October, I'm just
• 3:07:59
  thinking like, damn, okay, so you did all the drugs.
• 3:08:01
  You probably just fell down the stairs or something like that.
• 3:08:03
  That's probably what happened. That's where all the bruises
• 3:08:05
  came from. I mean, later on, we learned
• 3:08:10
  that Ronald. Absolutely did get people.
• 3:08:13
  Hi. So it's very possible that what
• 3:08:15
  actually killed him was the overdose but that all the other
• 3:08:18
  stuff still happen he was still strangled and still you didn't
• 3:08:22
  mean it just happened postmortem.
• 3:08:24
  Yeah. It's very plausible like he was
• 3:08:27
  doing. Ronald is doing everything to
• 3:08:28
  get the people in his cars. You want to, you know, hang out.
• 3:08:32
  You want to party, you pay, you know, I could pay you.
• 3:08:36
  If you're we do some stuff like it didn't matter.
• 3:08:38
  He was trying to find any angle to get somebody.
• 3:08:40
  In his car. But we're not of October yet.
• 3:08:45
  October 24th 2004 the severely decomposed remains of Michael
• 3:08:49
  Barnett are found that a gator storage by the owner Dirk Guidry
• 3:08:53
  and his wife Wendy now gator stores didn't have much security
• 3:08:56
  No Electronic gate you kind of paid your money, stored your
• 3:08:59
  stuff and nobody bothered anybody else.
• 3:09:01
  They didn't think they needed any fancy security system but
• 3:09:05
  the day in question, when D is on site and she gets a report
• 3:09:09
  from one of her staff that there's a unit that smells bad
• 3:09:12
  and You know, that's not uncommon in the world of storage
• 3:09:15
  facilities. Like sometimes people do plug in
• 3:09:18
  like a frigerator. And some people are living at a
• 3:09:22
  storage units, right? Regardless, she walks up to the
• 3:09:27
  one that smells foul and it doesn't have a lock.
• 3:09:31
  It was secured with a twist tie, so she just pulled it off and
• 3:09:36
  let herself in. Wendy described the Decay on the
• 3:09:41
  body. So bad.
• 3:09:43
  She said he look like this. This person look, he was easily
• 3:09:46
  in his 50s. Now, so don Burger on and Simon,
• 3:09:52
  Fryman are put on the case. They couldn't determine how he
• 3:09:56
  died because he'd been there for so long and someone came and
• 3:10:02
  reported Michael Barnett missing.
• 3:10:05
  They didn't think too much of it because Michael was only 21 and
• 3:10:09
  this body they had looked way way older but what they decide
• 3:10:13
  to do is take photos of the tattoos that were on hand and
• 3:10:17
  they took those two local artists and one of the artist
• 3:10:19
  was like yeah I know that guy his name is Michael Barnett and
• 3:10:23
  they were like wow. Wow.
• 3:10:26
  Well apparently he'd been sit in that storage locker for a whole
• 3:10:29
  month. Oh my God.
• 3:10:30
  And even though fall in New Orleans is pretty nice, sitting
• 3:10:34
  inside of a metal storage locker, even it only 75 degrees
• 3:10:40
  speeds the decomposition process.
• 3:10:44
  Just like everybody else. They go through every lead and
• 3:10:48
  and Dawn wonders. Could this be the victim of a
• 3:10:51
  Strangler? But there's no proof.
• 3:10:55
  Ronald goes into hibernation again.
• 3:10:59
  Dennis Thornton is going crazy, trying to piece together.
• 3:11:01
  This puzzle. Still, the media is not making a
• 3:11:04
  connection either, and to put this into perspective, for
• 3:11:08
  people who are listening, as of 2005, Ronald Dominique had
• 3:11:11
  killed as many people as Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 3:11:14
  But there was none of the media outrage or even interest.
• 3:11:19
  The local police department was less worried about the stats as
• 3:11:21
  a serial killer, and was just like, well, let's focus on the
• 3:11:25
  fact that he's killing and Bay, you blue, Terrebonne, Parish and
• 3:11:28
  has been since 2003, he must live here.
• 3:11:32
  So they brought in everybody with a sex crime, like a
• 3:11:37
  conviction in Terrebonne, Parish to talk to them.
• 3:11:42
  The problem is wrong. Donald didn't get caught in
• 3:11:46
  Terrebonne Parish and he didn't get convicted.
• 3:11:48
  So he wouldn't be on the conviction list.
• 3:11:50
  He wouldn't even be on the attempted list.
• 3:11:54
  Because it's the wrong Parish. So like what they're doing the
• 3:12:00
  right thing, but it's not being expanded.
• 3:12:03
  And now, right? You just searching that One
• 3:12:04
  Singular area, you're not fixated on the area where the
• 3:12:08
  murders are happening. Right now, Dennis Thornton is
• 3:12:14
  concerned with the fact that like this serial killer is
• 3:12:17
  killing at almost bizarre intervals.
• 3:12:22
  Like normally it's very consistent.
• 3:12:25
  Or there's like a clump of them that happened around the same
• 3:12:29
  time, but like he would, you know, kill two in one month,
• 3:12:33
  take six months off. Like normally, they can't
• 3:12:36
  control themselves that. Well, Hey, in later interviews
• 3:12:41
  Ronald would say that even though the police weren't on to
• 3:12:43
  him, he decides to operate as if they were and he wanted to be
• 3:12:47
  extra careful. So 2005 comes and February 20th.
• 3:12:55
  2005 Leon loretty was discovered in halma, near the shrine Center
• 3:13:00
  which was this abandoned building built in about 1870,
• 3:13:04
  everybody called it the Shriners building He was found by Man,
• 3:13:09
  Steve Tim and his son who were out dirt biking in the region
• 3:13:12
  because there was this big wooded area between the Shriners
• 3:13:15
  building and a small airport that was great for just kind of
• 3:13:19
  you know goofing off you know pop it on the dirt piles.
• 3:13:22
  Right at first Steve Just saw the clothes and he was, he like
• 3:13:30
  stops the kids from getting closer.
• 3:13:33
  And at first, he thought he would like that.
• 3:13:35
  The person in the grass was drunk passed out because he had
• 3:13:38
  a bottle of beer on him and they didn't touch him because they
• 3:13:43
  were like, listen, sometimes when drunks get woken up, they
• 3:13:46
  just start swinging. Yeah, yeah.
• 3:13:48
  So Steve called the police on his cell phone, detective, Simon
• 3:13:52
  Fryman got the call at his house and Simon actually cognized Leon
• 3:13:59
  because Leann had been interviewed during the Nokia
• 3:14:02
  Jones murder a couple of years before another one of Ronald's
• 3:14:07
  victims. now, during the time that Leon is being autopsy,
• 3:14:15
  Simon gets Leon's. Mom to consent to a search of
• 3:14:17
  her house and then she lived there and as they were looking
• 3:14:22
  around they found like a blood-stained behind a chair and
• 3:14:25
  they got a warrant and the warrant allowed the forensic
• 3:14:27
  team to come in and take samples.
• 3:14:29
  And that went to a lab Well, that's going on.
• 3:14:36
  Simon goes and starts talking to Lance friends and realize that
• 3:14:41
  he kind of went missing. Sometime around February 13th.
• 3:14:44
  He got into a fight with his friends, over some tools and
• 3:14:49
  they said he stole them and he said he didn't.
• 3:14:51
  And so, the current friends kind of we're having a little bit of
• 3:14:53
  a well, we're not going to talk to you a moment and so no one
• 3:14:57
  had seen him after that. Now the autopsy did show that
• 3:15:00
  Leon was very drunk when he died and he'd also been Strangled,
• 3:15:04
  with some kind of a chord. They figured that, his blood
• 3:15:08
  alcohol level would have been so high that he wouldn't have been
• 3:15:12
  able to really defend himself. Now, Simon is the same
• 3:15:19
  environment is at the police precinct doing like the work you
• 3:15:23
  the paperwork because that's the stuff they never talked about,
• 3:15:26
  right? And a woman comes in, for a
• 3:15:29
  different case, around the Sugar Bowl, motel and on a whim Simon,
• 3:15:33
  kind of shows her Leon's picture, and she's like, oh
• 3:15:36
  yeah, he's here a lot, the Sugar Bowl was a known spot to pick up
• 3:15:40
  professionals and for professionals to find John So
• 3:15:45
  she was able to cut their time from nine days to 36 hours.
• 3:15:52
  Whoo damn nice. Yeah she had seen him as
• 3:15:55
  frequently as a day and a half before he died.
• 3:15:59
  The other important detail that she was able to tell them was
• 3:16:02
  that she had seen Leon with a white guy, who had a limp On
• 3:16:09
  March 3rd. They got a call from a witness
• 3:16:11
  saying there had been a man a maroon car that had been near
• 3:16:16
  the airport just standing there and that was kind of weird
• 3:16:21
  because this is like a small private airport and he's just
• 3:16:24
  around and that puts this random, weird Shifty, white guy
• 3:16:34
  near the remains hours before the body had been dumped.
• 3:16:37
  Aunt. Very good information but they
• 3:16:40
  didn't have enough to identify him.
• 3:16:43
  Right. Early April, they find them.
• 3:16:46
  Another man fully clothed in a wooded area, near the Lafourche
• 3:16:51
  Work Release Center, and Lafourche Paris detectors were
• 3:16:54
  used to it now and they just showed up trying to collect any
• 3:16:57
  evidence they could and of course there's no i.d.
• 3:17:02
  No evidence. So LSPD puts out a bolo for
• 3:17:06
  people who don't know, bolo stands out stands for be on the
• 3:17:09
  lookout. It's a type of bulletin and
• 3:17:11
  instead of saying like, hey, look for this suspect.
• 3:17:16
  It was. Hey, is there anyone that can
• 3:17:21
  get us in contact with someone who recognizes this person?
• 3:17:26
  Yeah, and this brought in other police who saw Saw the
• 3:17:32
  similarities of the victims in their Parish.
• 3:17:39
  The autopsy showed he'd been strangled.
• 3:17:40
  And after his prints went through the apis database, his
• 3:17:44
  name came back as August Tyrell Watkins, five foot six hundred
• 3:17:47
  thirty pounds, 32 years old also if people don't know if is
• 3:17:50
  stands for the automated fingerprint identification
• 3:17:52
  system which is what we use in the u.s.
• 3:17:56
  It doesn't actually pinpoint the fingerprints like on the TV
• 3:18:00
  shows. But what it will do is it will
• 3:18:03
  give the print examiner a collection to look through.
• 3:18:08
  Instead of like 5,000 people, it might return 24 and then they
• 3:18:15
  print those out and they look and they compare the prints.
• 3:18:18
  They have to a much smaller number so it makes the job
• 3:18:21
  significantly Sims year. Yeah, that's all this is.
• 3:18:25
  It's great information. I do like to Rouse Family
• 3:18:31
  actually didn't know he was missing because he'd been
• 3:18:33
  evicted from his home and he was struggling with housing.
• 3:18:36
  So everybody knew Ooh, that like Tara was living with different
• 3:18:39
  people and was bouncing around to different peoples houses so
• 3:18:43
  nobody really had an idea when he went missing, because they
• 3:18:47
  just assumed like, oh, he's with his aunt.
• 3:18:50
  Oh, he's staying at his cousin's house.
• 3:18:52
  Oh, he's staring at his girlfriend's house, but through
• 3:18:56
  talking with the neighbors and all of his friends and family,
• 3:18:59
  they ended up going to the woods near jack's grocery to look for
• 3:19:04
  a bag of his things that he carried with him.
• 3:19:08
  His items were found near that abandoned lot near the grocery
• 3:19:11
  store and they theorize that Tyrell might have met his killer
• 3:19:14
  while asking for food or a place to stay the last person.
• 3:19:22
  He lived with was a young woman who he'd been dating but she had
• 3:19:27
  kicked him out and was dating somebody else and that at the
• 3:19:31
  time that he died, he was sleeping in a local tunnel.
• 3:19:40
  Yeah. Sorry friends told the police
• 3:19:42
  that they'd seen Tyrell hanging out with a white guy who drove a
• 3:19:45
  white truck and they found the white guy and his wife based on
• 3:19:49
  running the place this couple neutral because they brought it,
• 3:19:52
  they bought drugs from him and they were kind of, like, nervous
• 3:19:55
  when they talk to the police and the police were like, what you
• 3:19:59
  called him at multiple locations and they're like, fine, we got
• 3:20:03
  drugs from him. That's why we called him
• 3:20:05
  different places. He lived, you got us.
• 3:20:12
  The first like they were like do you ever let this guy drive your
• 3:20:15
  truck? And the lady was like I would
• 3:20:17
  never and they were like we definitely have people who say
• 3:20:20
  that you he was seen driving it and you were sitting with it and
• 3:20:24
  the thing was apparently the couple were broken up and got
• 3:20:27
  back together so there might have been a little hanky-panky
• 3:20:29
  going on way and she didn't want to let her husband know, had
• 3:20:32
  happened, right right, right. I mean they followed no less
• 3:20:37
  than 10 leads. They learned about everything if
• 3:20:41
  he was going through while struggling with housing but the
• 3:20:44
  case stalled after everybody checked out, Now, remember how I
• 3:20:49
  said that Denis Norden was trying to get the police to do a
• 3:20:51
  task force today. Finally get one or oh buddy, we
• 3:20:56
  get it. We get task force.
• 3:20:58
  All right. Oh nice, nice, nice.
• 3:21:02
  Now, Dennis is parish is Terrebonne and so, don, don
• 3:21:06
  Bergeron has her own Parish that she's dealing with ones and so
• 3:21:11
  ultimately the two of them kind of piece things together and
• 3:21:13
  they're like, all right, at this point.
• 3:21:14
  Now we have potentially 15 murders.
• 3:21:16
  We know the guys Is mobile. We know he picks up his victims
• 3:21:19
  on the street. It's a must be consistent
• 3:21:21
  motive. Across victims, that turns out
• 3:21:23
  to be not true. His MO is different depending on
• 3:21:28
  the victim. Now what originally started as a
• 3:21:30
  sex crimes had devolved into like just murder because they
• 3:21:34
  couldn't not all the bodies. They couldn't determine whether
• 3:21:37
  they've been assaulted or not. They were very disheartened by
• 3:21:40
  the fact that the major media news wouldn't cover this and
• 3:21:44
  thing that was really interesting is because around
• 3:21:46
  the same time Member how I said I was looking for there not to
• 3:21:49
  be a crisscross of murders. There was a crisscross of murder
• 3:21:53
  as I forgot about Derrick Todd Lee.
• 3:21:55
  The Baton Rouge serial killer, who was killing in Northern
• 3:21:59
  Louisiana. While Ronald was killing in
• 3:22:01
  Southern Louisiana. Oh my God, the process was all
• 3:22:05
  over. Derrick, Todd Lee's case because
• 3:22:08
  that was a black man killing white women that sells papers
• 3:22:14
  Ronald, of course, was choosing black men down on their luck.
• 3:22:18
  Offering them, hope a place to say, or just some drugs to pass
• 3:22:21
  the night. And therefore those cases
• 3:22:26
  weren't really, you know, making the yeah, no headline news right
• 3:22:33
  there. But finally, it's April 2005 and
• 3:22:37
  Dennis gets that real task force after 15 murders.
• 3:22:41
  So the state and vice Dennis to this massive meeting.
• 3:22:45
  Because he'd been the longest on the cases.
• 3:22:47
  He'd been following them for eight years now.
• 3:22:50
  And they also included Tom Lambert from ham from the how
• 3:22:52
  much Sheriff's Office and FBI agent from New Orleans Jack or
• 3:22:56
  sign Simon Fryman from Hama PD Dawn Burger on from Terrebonne
• 3:23:02
  Parish and her boss. Major four major Vernon Booyah
• 3:23:06
  Booyah, there's so many friends James I had to look up.
• 3:23:12
  So good right now. Also they invited 14 other cops
• 3:23:16
  representing all six of the parishes where there were
• 3:23:18
  murdered Dennis was hype. He was like, we have the money
• 3:23:21
  now to really fun. This it's getting on the news
• 3:23:24
  and so, they did decide to focus on Terrebonne Parish since five
• 3:23:27
  of the most recent murders happen there.
• 3:23:30
  Both, he and Don become lead, detectives on Me on the task
• 3:23:33
  force, and they were chosen because of their years of
• 3:23:35
  looking into the case. But also the fact that the to
• 3:23:38
  always kind of showed initiative in a willingness to kind of
• 3:23:40
  think, outside the box, Don was exceptionally talented at
• 3:23:43
  speaking to Witnesses and potential suspects, and getting
• 3:23:47
  quick confessions, or statements as a police, like to call them.
• 3:23:50
  She said, I had a very incredible ability to soften
• 3:23:54
  people up and get them to just spill their guts.
• 3:23:58
  This was very valuable trait for this investigation because even
• 3:24:02
  people who weren't suspects had information to give and we
• 3:24:06
  didn't have the time for you to be standoffish.
• 3:24:10
  Give me the information. Even I need so we can move on
• 3:24:13
  and go somewhere else. Right, that's how I always am
• 3:24:17
  with. People.
• 3:24:18
  Look, look, I got Time. Come on, come on, come on, but
• 3:24:21
  she did it in a way that you know, didn't make people feel
• 3:24:23
  standoffish. It was it was it's a talent.
• 3:24:27
  Unfortunately, as soon as they got themselves together, another
• 3:24:30
  murder happened. This time and Lafourche Parish,
• 3:24:33
  it was the end of April and Kirk Cunningham's.
• 3:24:36
  Body was found floating in a ditch.
• 3:24:38
  Kurt was 23 years old. And from Thibodeau, he was the
• 3:24:41
  first White victim. Hey, last been seen and how On
• 3:24:45
  April 8 but he wasn't discovered until 20 days later off of
• 3:24:50
  Highway 307, the apps autopsy ruled inconclusive because he's
• 3:24:55
  been sitting in water for days actually.
• 3:25:02
  Okay. So because it was like a dish,
• 3:25:05
  it was probably not all water. So like half of his body is
• 3:25:08
  water. Decomposed in the other half is
• 3:25:13
  it's not yeah. Decomp from this point forward.
• 3:25:19
  They decided we need to streamline this process.
• 3:25:22
  We have a lot of people on this. There's no need for
• 3:25:24
  redundancies. So, we're going to use one crime
• 3:25:28
  lab for all future evidence. This will all of the evidence
• 3:25:32
  will only be handled by the same people.
• 3:25:37
  So there is no confusion as to who has it like this detective
• 3:25:42
  is the person who's going to carry this stuff in his car to
• 3:25:47
  this lab and will be that person from now on.
• 3:25:51
  Okay, this standardization gave everybody.
• 3:25:54
  The thing that they were to handle, kind of expertly at
• 3:25:57
  every crime scene, so there's no wasted energy.
• 3:26:00
  Dennis came up with the idea for them to fingerprint.
• 3:26:05
  All of Kurt Cunningham's body. But to use different
• 3:26:11
  temperatures to maybe make certain things appear.
• 3:26:17
  He said that he got this from CSI.
• 3:26:19
  Oh my God, like worth a shot. To see if depending on the
• 3:26:25
  temperature things, you know the skin might change and you might
• 3:26:30
  get a usable print. Now Dennis and Dawn are digging
• 3:26:36
  into the current investigation and another murder happens.
• 3:26:39
  This time Alonzo Hogan, 23 years old st.
• 3:26:42
  Charles Parish July 2nd Alonzo was 28 and he was black, he was
• 3:26:46
  found fully dressed. Ronald had gone back to an old
• 3:26:51
  dump site the cane field off of Highway 306.
• 3:26:55
  They went back to the old files, to try and find a connection
• 3:26:58
  between the new cases, and the old ones.
• 3:27:03
  How am I resident Wayne Smith? Is found in a ditch fully
• 3:27:11
  clothed on August 16th. So why month later off of Grand
• 3:27:15
  Caillou Road. This is another one that gets
• 3:27:18
  marked as undetermined by the coroner due to Advanced
• 3:27:21
  decomposition. Wayne is one of the youngest
• 3:27:23
  victims at only 17 years old. They use the same protocols
• 3:27:28
  collect as much evidence has and, you know, follow their,
• 3:27:31
  their plan. Donald that is also root out the
• 3:27:35
  shoe connection. It wasn't a signature, it was
• 3:27:38
  just the side effect of having to move the bodies CIA.
• 3:27:42
  But an interesting thing was that three of the victims have
• 3:27:46
  been seen at the Sugar Bowl Motel just before their death.
• 3:27:49
  And they noticed that every victim had at least one prior
• 3:27:54
  criminal offense. That was an interesting pattern,
• 3:27:57
  too. Now it's August 28, 2005.
• 3:28:02
  Do you remember what happened Ryan?
• 3:28:06
  You said, August 28th, 2005. I don't.
• 3:28:15
  Well, disaster struck Louisiana Hurricane Katrina one of the
• 3:28:18
  five deadliest hurricanes in US. History, I'm sorry, that's okay.
• 3:28:23
  It was a category 3. When it made landfall on the
• 3:28:25
  Gulf Coast on August 29th, for people who are Americans, who
• 3:28:29
  are listening, Louisiana, specifically New Orleans is
• 3:28:32
  below sea level. And the region is protected by a
• 3:28:34
  series of flood walls and levees that pretty much block water
• 3:28:38
  from going where it shouldn't. Some of these flood levees can
• 3:28:42
  be natural, but many of them were man-made.
• 3:28:45
  And on Monday, August 29th, there were over 50 failures in
• 3:28:48
  the walls and 80% of New Orleans and all of st.
• 3:28:52
  Bernard Parish flooded, you're talking tens of billions of
• 3:28:57
  gallons of water from the Atlantic Ocean, flooding over
• 3:29:00
  100,000 homes and businesses. It is considered to be one of
• 3:29:03
  the costliest, natural disasters in US history, costing over 100
• 3:29:07
  billion dollars God. And the thing is, if you're from
• 3:29:12
  the south, I give her somebody who's listening from the south
• 3:29:14
  like Like, at one point, one of my family members lived in Port,
• 3:29:19
  not with a. What's the bottommost town in
• 3:29:22
  Florida? I forget what it's called acute
• 3:29:25
  was. It's one of the keys.
• 3:29:27
  Yeah, income like it's they're so used to hurricanes that.
• 3:29:32
  They just like stack up there sandbags and then they drive
• 3:29:35
  away and they tow back to the mainland.
• 3:29:38
  Like they're just used to them happening, like every 6 to 12
• 3:29:41
  months and it's always like this is gonna be the First one and
• 3:29:46
  they're just like yeah, whatever whatever it is.
• 3:29:49
  It was kind of like that in New Orleans because they were used
• 3:29:54
  to these but the because the levy the Levee failures happened
• 3:30:00
  People didn't evacuate like people didn't evacuate and
• 3:30:03
  eight, 1836 people were killed. There are a host of horrible
• 3:30:07
  atrocities against people that happen in the city.
• 3:30:10
  During this time, I mean, I remember watching there were
• 3:30:14
  police forcing people with kids back into flooded water while
• 3:30:19
  they were trying to cross a bridge because the bridge was
• 3:30:21
  dangerous, but like the people were like we're gonna drown that
• 3:30:26
  was caught on camera. There was also an entire prison
• 3:30:29
  that was left full of inmates and the inmates were left or
• 3:30:33
  drown as the guards kind of worried about their own safety.
• 3:30:36
  That's something that they don't like to talk about and there's a
• 3:30:38
  lot of history around that a lot of government in action and
• 3:30:42
  mismanagement happened. I could go on, but we don't have
• 3:30:45
  the time. It took two years just to rid
• 3:30:50
  the city of biohazards and begin rebuilding.
• 3:30:53
  And when I say that, New Orleans is frequently called the city of
• 3:30:57
  the dead. It's notoriously haunted, and it
• 3:31:00
  has a host of above-ground mausoleums and beautiful
• 3:31:04
  cemeteries and well, those are below sea level.
• 3:31:08
  When the flood happened. The bodies in the ground also
• 3:31:16
  came out. So they were finding remains and
• 3:31:21
  having to try and figure out where they came from.
• 3:31:25
  Where these people, who drowned in the actual water are these
• 3:31:27
  remains from cemeteries, it took years, it's been 17 years since.
• 3:31:32
  And from what I understand things are mostly back to normal
• 3:31:35
  down there but That's good. That's good to hear.
• 3:31:40
  Well, once the water subsided, there was another murder to deal
• 3:31:43
  with. Krista Ville, 40 years old and
• 3:31:47
  this time it was a new dump site.
• 3:31:49
  Assumption Parish he wasn't a typical victim.
• 3:31:53
  Chris was not transient. He didn't have a history of
• 3:31:57
  drugs or Home of my keys were homelessness, but you know,
• 3:32:05
  housing issues or even crime in his background, right?
• 3:32:09
  His family was together. His brother was a cop.
• 3:32:14
  He was also fully clothed and left off of Highway 1.
• 3:32:18
  It was almost like maybe this one was done in a Moment of
• 3:32:24
  desperation. Interesting.
• 3:32:30
  And what I see as the stunning display of sort of fuckery that
• 3:32:35
  isn't Dawn's bosses. Begin, freaking out on the task
• 3:32:38
  force and saying you're taking too long.
• 3:32:41
  We want results. Even though it had taken them,
• 3:32:45
  eight years to provide, Dennis with the money to, even really
• 3:32:48
  pursue the cases, they were being expected to solve them
• 3:32:52
  immediately. Okay, thank you for the money
• 3:32:57
  now, we'll create some magic for you.
• 3:32:59
  Okay, snack. Well, luckily, the task force
• 3:33:02
  gets a break and that break comes in the name of a man named
• 3:33:06
  John. Banning John was the typical
• 3:33:09
  Mark for Ronald? What Ronald didn't know was that
• 3:33:13
  John's parole officer was officer Lambert?
• 3:33:17
  One of the men in the task force.
• 3:33:20
  John was walking on the highway when he was approached by Ronald
• 3:33:23
  and offered sex with a girl based off of a photo.
• 3:33:29
  Anton was like he doesn't look very dangerous and that picture
• 3:33:33
  is very sexy. What's the harm in going to his
• 3:33:35
  house and see if she's real? So as they're Drivin, he said
• 3:33:41
  that Ronald talked about some weird stuff, he talked about how
• 3:33:45
  he was going to have to tie John up because the girls really like
• 3:33:49
  bashful about new guys, it was real weird.
• 3:33:53
  Also, he randomly talked about how there was a stigma around
• 3:33:56
  being gay. And for some reason, when Ronald
• 3:33:59
  pulled into his sister's driveway, John still State, they
• 3:34:04
  went to the trailer. Ronald begins his routine.
• 3:34:08
  He tells John get undressed, Rest, and he's like, and then
• 3:34:10
  I'll tie you up. And John kind of took stock of
• 3:34:13
  the room. And was just like, there are
• 3:34:15
  jugs of urine in this room, which is weird, and also Stacks,
• 3:34:21
  and stacks of gay porn. John takes that moment and just
• 3:34:27
  walks out of the door. And Ronald doesn't stop him.
• 3:34:29
  He actually said he ran back to the highway.
• 3:34:33
  Wow. Okay, so Donna, Dennis are, you
• 3:34:40
  know, back at headquarters discussing their try to figure
• 3:34:43
  out like the guy that Witnesses reported Didn't seem like a big
• 3:34:49
  guy like yeah, he was Heavy SAT but he wasn't very tall.
• 3:34:55
  And like he didn't seem very strong according to Witnesses.
• 3:34:57
  So they're trying to figure out how is he getting these people
• 3:35:00
  to get in his car. They had already been through
• 3:35:02
  every sex offender in every Parish where there was a murder.
• 3:35:09
  But they didn't think to talk to the Parolees and so that came up
• 3:35:14
  during this conversation and they they like, hey, they like
• 3:35:17
  they go to their squadmate Lambert and they're just like,
• 3:35:19
  hey, we want to go through all the Parolees and you're here.
• 3:35:23
  So you have the list on you, like I mean, you still working
• 3:35:26
  at a, his side to work their regular stuff too.
• 3:35:28
  And so he's just like we want to talk to all the people who are
• 3:35:32
  on parole in this town. Which is how John Banning ended
• 3:35:36
  up in the interrogation room talking to Dennis and Dawn.
• 3:35:40
  I guess, first he talked to Lambert and then to Dennis and
• 3:35:43
  on John tells them how this fat white guy pulled up on him and a
• 3:35:46
  black Sonoma truck, offered him, alcohol.
• 3:35:50
  And a crack at banging hot chick.
• 3:35:52
  He told them exactly where Ronald had taken them to make
• 3:35:54
  them to. And this is so weird.
• 3:35:58
  But like, they all met near Ronald house and I think it's
• 3:36:02
  really up because you have like a regular police officer with
• 3:36:04
  John Banning and then you have two detectives in like suits,
• 3:36:11
  But they don't walk up to the door.
• 3:36:14
  In fact, what Dawn does is she goes up to Or Don does is she
• 3:36:25
  goes up to the mailbox and she begins kind of flooding through
• 3:36:30
  the mail and there's only one male named in the house.
• 3:36:34
  Ronald J Dominique. They decide.
• 3:36:40
  They go back and they decide they want to make sure this is
• 3:36:42
  airtight, so they decide to just go talk to him.
• 3:36:46
  Like, knock on the door, they're like, hey Ronald, um, There's
• 3:36:51
  this guy who made kind of a charge against you, and we just
• 3:36:57
  want to talk to you about it. His name's John Banning and he
• 3:37:00
  like, filed a report, he's like, can you talk to us at the
• 3:37:02
  station and so they go in and Ronald tells them that he know,
• 3:37:05
  he's just in a kinky sex and he was having fun with the whole
• 3:37:08
  tied up thing. Dennis asks, run up to take a
• 3:37:11
  lie detector test and for the first time in their interview
• 3:37:15
  Ronald gets pissed and he's like what's all this about?
• 3:37:18
  And then it's just tries to play it off.
• 3:37:20
  Cool, listen. To Dominique.
• 3:37:21
  We're just trying to clear these cases.
• 3:37:22
  We're working on, if you can help us, that would be
• 3:37:25
  wonderful. So he agrees to the polygraph
• 3:37:29
  then Dawn, it's just like, you know, it would help us a lot if
• 3:37:33
  you sign this consent form. And give us your DNA.
• 3:37:39
  Oh God, he agrees and they take a hair and saliva sample and
• 3:37:46
  they thanked him over and over again and send him on his way.
• 3:37:49
  And if you listen to the podcast a lot, you're like wait, what?
• 3:37:54
  Well, okay, so it's weird that he was so agreeable.
• 3:37:56
  But also the other weird thing is that they had to ask
• 3:37:59
  permission to get his DNA because we've had other cases,
• 3:38:03
  like the Grim sleeper, where they followed him to a birthday
• 3:38:06
  party. And Told the plates and cakes
• 3:38:09
  that he ate off of, right. Yeah, that's because the DNA at
• 3:38:14
  that time. They did it wasn't as advanced
• 3:38:18
  as it is. Today even 10 years later.
• 3:38:22
  And so now we can get DNA on vert off of virtually anything.
• 3:38:27
  But back then we couldn't. So they went for the thing that
• 3:38:29
  you could get the best match on which was hair spit semen.
• 3:38:36
  They were like, can we can we get these?
• 3:38:38
  I think you can't ask him for a semen sample.
• 3:38:39
  He wouldn't do that, but like you never know, you never know.
• 3:38:44
  He see that kind of guy who probably give it up to Who
• 3:38:47
  knows? They paint John Bannon back in
• 3:38:49
  and John's like no, no, no. I did not willingly go to his
• 3:38:52
  house. I'm not even gay.
• 3:38:54
  He's like I just thought the girl looked hot and I wanted to
• 3:38:56
  see which if she was there and so they asked John they're like,
• 3:39:00
  okay. So what if he had tried to stop
• 3:39:02
  you and Johnson, it would have been like the Civil War He click
• 3:39:10
  yes. No, no.
• 3:39:11
  So this is where he says Pearl Harbor.
• 3:39:13
  He said it would have been Pearl Harbor in that piece, sir.
• 3:39:18
  Indicating that he would have fought him.
• 3:39:20
  Okay? What a weird thing to say?
• 3:39:26
  Definitely, you know, I would have been, like, Pearl Harbor.
• 3:39:32
  They decide to go into a database of crimes.
• 3:39:33
  Just pulling people who were charged, but never convicted.
• 3:39:37
  And this is where they find Ronald's charges and it sounds
• 3:39:41
  very similar to what John Banning told them.
• 3:39:44
  They also found there were two other cases of sodomy against
• 3:39:49
  Ronald that had been dropped due to a lack of corroborating
• 3:39:54
  evidence. The police are now.
• 3:39:57
  The police, from those two cases, who, talked around were
• 3:40:00
  brought in and they definitely remembered him.
• 3:40:04
  It was even though it was like the 80s, they've definitely
• 3:40:08
  remembered him and they said that he had a serious
• 3:40:10
  persecution complex about being gay.
• 3:40:14
  So with all this information, Dennis add-on, requested 24-hour
• 3:40:17
  our surveillance team, and they get denied.
• 3:40:21
  They're like, that's too much and you don't have enough to
• 3:40:24
  make that worthwhile. So they put a roadblock up near
• 3:40:29
  the Sugar Bowl hotel since multiple victims were found
• 3:40:33
  there and they regularly stop and search cars at random.
• 3:40:38
  Now, this does cut off one of his hunting sites, but Ronald
• 3:40:41
  had more and the stress of being watched by the police, was
• 3:40:46
  stressing him out. November 5th, 2005, Nick Pelican
• 3:40:52
  21 years old is working on his home when the meter reader
• 3:40:56
  arrives. That meter reader is Ronald
• 3:41:01
  Ronald straight up propositions him.
• 3:41:05
  And next like I do need the money and so he agrees but later
• 3:41:15
  and Ronald picks him up after round.
• 3:41:16
  Gets off of work takes him back to his trailer.
• 3:41:19
  Ronald would later tell the police that because his mom and
• 3:41:24
  sister were down the hall, he had to make sure that Nick
• 3:41:28
  wouldn't scream and November 9th, they discover his remains
• 3:41:35
  in the woods and Lafourche Parish, he had been tied.
• 3:41:38
  Up and to add insult to injury. He had gambled and gone through
• 3:41:43
  the roadblock with the dead body in the back of his car.
• 3:41:47
  Kidding me. Ballsy is all get out.
• 3:41:54
  Nick's autopsy came in the word laceration, peaked Dennis's
• 3:41:58
  interest. He was just like, I feel like
• 3:42:01
  I've been reading that word a lot and so he goes through the
• 3:42:04
  cases and realizes that a lot of the men had lacerations Options
• 3:42:09
  to their back of their head. Meaning, that that was one of
• 3:42:12
  the ways that Ronald was subduing, them by just straight,
• 3:42:15
  hitting them in the back of the head with something hard.
• 3:42:17
  Tying them up. They focus on DNA.
• 3:42:24
  The problem is DNA takes months but they do get a positive
• 3:42:29
  match. Remember all Ela Banks and how
• 3:42:33
  they said that there were Caucasian hairs?
• 3:42:36
  Yes, yes him. Yeah, they do a match but the
• 3:42:40
  problem was it was mitochondrial DNA, really ideally?
• 3:42:44
  You want what's called nuclear DNA, which is, it definitely
• 3:42:47
  belongs to this one person mitochondrial DNA matches.
• 3:42:51
  It means that this could be from anyone in Ronald's.
• 3:42:54
  They regularly stopped and searched cars at random.
• 3:42:59
  Now, this does cut off one of his hunting sites, but Ronald
• 3:43:02
  had more and the stress of being watched by the police, was
• 3:43:06
  stressing him out. November 5th, 2005.
• 3:43:12
  Nick pallagen 21 years old is working on his home when the
• 3:43:16
  meter reader arrives. That meter reader is Ronald
• 3:43:22
  Ronald straight up propositions him.
• 3:43:25
  And next like I do need the money and so he agrees but later
• 3:43:35
  and Ronald picks him up after Ron gets off of work takes him
• 3:43:38
  back to his trailer. Ronald would later tell the
• 3:43:41
  police that because his mom and sister were down the hall, he
• 3:43:47
  had to make sure that Nick wouldn't screamed and November
• 3:43:53
  9th. They discover his remains in the
• 3:43:56
  woods and Lafourche Parish. He had been tied.
• 3:43:59
  It up and to add insult to injury.
• 3:44:02
  He had gambled and gone through the roadblock with the dead body
• 3:44:06
  in the back of his car. Kidding me.
• 3:44:09
  Ballsy is all get out. Next autopsy came in the word
• 3:44:17
  laceration. Peaked Dennis's interest.
• 3:44:20
  He was just like, I feel like, I've been reading that word a
• 3:44:23
  lot and so he goes to the cases and realizes that a lot of the
• 3:44:28
  men had lacerations to their back of their head.
• 3:44:31
  Meaning, that that was one of the ways that Rana was subduing
• 3:44:34
  them by just straight hitting him in the back of the head with
• 3:44:37
  something hard. Tying them up.
• 3:44:43
  They focus on DNA. The problem is DNA takes months
• 3:44:48
  but they do get a positive match.
• 3:44:50
  Remember all Ela Banks and how they said that there were
• 3:44:54
  Caucasian hairs? Yes, yes him.
• 3:44:59
  Yeah, they do a match but the problem was it was mitochondrial
• 3:45:02
  DNA, really ideally? You want what's called nuclear
• 3:45:06
  DNA, which is, it definitely belongs to this one person
• 3:45:10
  mitochondrial DNA matches. It means that this could be from
• 3:45:13
  anyone in Ronald's. Are you think Ryan?
• 3:45:17
  23andMe, pretty much they're not calling it investigative
• 3:45:21
  genealogy. As I initially, they were able
• 3:45:23
  to connect DNA of the killer to someone in a DNA, a genealogy
• 3:45:31
  database and that's how they were to find it really there.
• 3:45:37
  What they're doing now at this point is he has a pretty
• 3:45:41
  extensive criminal record between 1963 and 1998.
• 3:45:45
  Eight and so Indiana state. Police are looking to see if he
• 3:45:48
  did anything else. Honestly, if they can connect
• 3:45:51
  him to any other missing persons were there any other motels that
• 3:45:55
  he might have stopped by, and people went missing.
• 3:45:58
  So, this isn't over. They just know the name, they
• 3:46:01
  called him, the I-65 killer, and the thing is, I 65 runs from
• 3:46:05
  Gary Indiana, all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico.
• 3:46:09
  So we're talking of a hundreds of miles on the East Coast where
• 3:46:12
  he could have stopped and killed people as well.
• 3:46:15
  Also, there's no guarantee that it just stops at these three
• 3:46:18
  murders in one assault. God, can you compare hoping
• 3:46:24
  they're hoping they can close, some, some cases and give people
• 3:46:27
  some closure and finding out what happened to their loved
• 3:46:30
  ones. They also called him, the Days
• 3:46:34
  Inn killer. Because, apparently he was, he
• 3:46:36
  like to stop at that Motel sometime.
• 3:46:38
  God. No.
• 3:46:39
  Let the easy. Yeah.
• 3:46:45
  Are there any other state police weren't actually able to get
• 3:46:48
  permission to use that database? The investigative genealogy
• 3:46:53
  until 2019? So this is still really, really
• 3:46:58
  new. That's they never had a suspect
• 3:47:03
  or anyone before this, they just had rant.
• 3:47:07
  Like they just had DNA that they could link to anybody.
• 3:47:10
  Hmm. So I think we're just going to
• 3:47:14
  keep happening. So yeah, it works you This one's
• 3:47:18
  slightly, this is like the there if they're at a dead end when
• 3:47:22
  they have elected DNA evidence and stuff like that and nothing
• 3:47:26
  that connected to this is like the thing they go to.
• 3:47:28
  Now, like we learned And with the one case I think it was not
• 3:47:33
  just I'll call you with the Grim sleeper you in order to get
• 3:47:39
  access to do that. You have to have used every
• 3:47:46
  other form of policing, right before they will allow you
• 3:47:51
  access to, what is millions of people's DNA.
• 3:47:55
  And a lot of people feel, a lot of ways about it.
• 3:47:57
  It's one of the reasons why I've never actually done a DNA test.
• 3:48:01
  I would like to know what percentage is what percentage.
• 3:48:04
  But also on the other hand, I'm like, do I want to know?
• 3:48:07
  If somebody I'm related to is a killer, Nah.
• 3:48:11
  Nah, that's okay. Now I got to rethink that
• 3:48:15
  relationship. Can you imagine what it was like
• 3:48:19
  when Dennis readers daughter found out that her dad was the
• 3:48:23
  BTK killer? I can't imagine.
• 3:48:28
  I'll want that on my heart. That's okay.
• 3:48:32
  But what's your true crime case this week Brian?
• 3:48:35
  Okay, so apparently the story has been going around and I'm
• 3:48:39
  pretty sure if you guys have been paying attention to True
• 3:48:43
  Crime News, you've heard this as well.
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  So there was an incident. I guess we can only fans model
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  where she allegedly stabbed her boyfriend to death, in their
• 3:48:57
  apartment, Julie, Brian, I've seen the photos on TMZ.
• 3:49:04
  Homegirl is covered head to toe in blood.
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  It is horrific. One of my friends is in Miami
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  and was literally like I've been in Miami for two weeks because
• 3:49:13
  she's she's down there, looking at like she has a business It's
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  and I guess she's trying to expand and its potential.
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  She might be able to run her business down there.
• 3:49:21
  I'll miss her. If she actually, they're one of
• 3:49:22
  our sponsors. Oh, really?
• 3:49:26
  The bakery? Yeah.
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  She's in Miami right now at your service meet Cafe.
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  Yep. I think I don't know if they're
• 3:49:32
  going to be stimmy temporary or something.
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  But they've been down there for a while, but she definitely was
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  like she posted on Facebook. She's like, I watch a lot of
• 3:49:39
  CSI. Miami before I came down here
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  and now I think there's definitely a murder that just
• 3:49:43
  happened. I'm like, Bro.
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  So I'm like dang but yeah, like it.
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  Yeah, I saw the picture soon as like it's not legit like you
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  did. It says a legend in this news
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  article so it's somebody's blood.
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  Is it somebody's blood, who knows?
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  Yeah. So influence our her name is
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  Courtney claiming she's plenty plenty in another name when she
• 3:50:15
  was Is doing her only thing. Yeah, it's a Courtney Taylor was
• 3:50:18
  her other her suit for whatever her stage name and interesting
• 3:50:25
  question, why would you make your stage name?
• 3:50:26
  So close to your real name? I don't know.
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  Like, I definitely change it all thing first and last name.
• 3:50:32
  Yep, absolutely. I don't know my name.
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  My brain just said Isabella demise.
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  That's so not a good name but it's what popped into my head.
• 3:50:43
  Gold Leaf is looking up. She's probably there already.
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  Right. Yeah, it's probably like I saw
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  that somewhere on Twitter. Oh my God.
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  But yeah. She's yeah.
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  She's 25 years old and her her boyfriend.
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  His name was Christian. I don't know.
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  I don't know how to pronounce his last name.
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  I know he's African. So he yeah, French last name.
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  Yeah he does and he's 27 but yeah the cops they responded to
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  a 911 call around, you know, 5:00 on Sunday at you know, at
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  their apartment. And this is like pretty said in
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  Miami Florida and they say they found her boyfriend.
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  He was stabbed once in the shoulder.
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  That's it is. That's what it says.
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  It's. Where is that blood?
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  The way that it was like, posted all over social media over the
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  last couple days. It's like she stabbed him to
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  death. Like there were multiple
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  stabbings. You know what I mean?
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  Yeah, like 11 stabbed was Otto, dang.
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  Yeah. It must have been like a really
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  deep wound or somewhere like that.
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  Lets you the artery right. Ye are exactly.
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  That's one thing for there to be that kind of a spray that it's
• 3:52:02
  all over her face. Chase chest and legs.
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  That's a no. That's an arterial spray.
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  Yeah. Yeah yeah.
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  That's that's why all of them blood.
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  Yep. That's rather but come from
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  that's the only way if it was only One time.
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  Wow. See the way the media was
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  returning. It was that she like went full
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  like Jason Voorhees. But yeah, he died at the
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  hospital. Actually, he didn't even die.
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  There. He was still alive.
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  Yeah, he he died at the hospital.
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  Like I said, the first thing that I saw was the TMZ pictures.
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  The somebody took from like their apartment building across
• 3:52:43
  from her. The other apartment building.
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  Yeah, we can see, right clearly. She's like sitting on the ground
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  cuffed and there's blood on her face, her little tube. be top
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  her sweat pants are soaked, like So, I assumed homeboy was dead
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  dead before the police even got there.
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  Yeah. Wow.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's wild how the media portrays things they got
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  me. Yeah, that's all I saw.
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  I didn't look any other articles I was like, oh, look at that.
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  White girl killed a black man. That's that's what drew me into
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  it. I was like, God kid.
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  Here we go again, I'm so sorry. But yeah, they said there's the
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  cops. That there was obviously like a
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  physical altercation before she's she he was stabbed.
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  So, So, like people, people like that, who are her friends, AP,
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  said that they've seen him hit her and stuff like that.
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  Like yeah, you know, if you girl getting just be oh wait, no, no,
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  no, my bad. I read the wrong.
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  It says we seen her hit him and that I've never yeah.
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  I've never seen him hit her. Gotcha, so obvious.
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  Asleep must have been something that she was doing.
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  Yeah. See this popped up on my
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  Facebook timeline because people pulled a lot of his really like
• 3:54:24
  rude posts and Tweets. We're like like, you know, rest
• 3:54:30
  in peace, he did die in. That is sad, but apparently, he
• 3:54:33
  was one of those people who thought that, if he could net
• 3:54:37
  himself a beautiful white woman that made him a better person
• 3:54:42
  than everybody else. You know, and it's kind of
• 3:54:44
  crappy to treat your partner to put them on a pedestal like that
• 3:54:48
  it's not fair to the person who's being idolized but it's
• 3:54:51
  also real crappy. When every opportunity you get
• 3:54:55
  you trash talk every other group of women, right?
• 3:54:58
  Yeah. So like he couldn't just be
• 3:55:00
  like, wow, I really love my girlfriend.
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  It would be like I can't stand black girls, blah, blah, blah,
• 3:55:05
  blah blah. And I'm like, dude, nobody asked
• 3:55:07
  you like the such a, it's such a weird thing.
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  And a lot of people Like a lot of do do this online and I'm
• 3:55:15
  just like love who you love. You ain't got a tear everybody
• 3:55:18
  else down, right? Like and I gotta I gotta be
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  wrong with you. I was like that too.
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  And so one of my friends was like, you know, when you say
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  things like real women have curves, it kind of makes me feel
• 3:55:28
  sad. And I was like, oh dang, I
• 3:55:30
  thought this was just, you know, like the fat girl, you know,
• 3:55:34
  acceptance rock. All right.
• 3:55:36
  Not thinking that like you know, all women are real, women,
• 3:55:39
  doesn't matter what you look like, you know, This is true, my
• 3:55:43
  best friends. And so I adjusted the way that I
• 3:55:44
  speak about certain things, like I like, what I like, and I will
• 3:55:47
  say that I, like the things that I like, but I'll need to talk
• 3:55:49
  about things. I don't like, but regardless.
• 3:55:51
  So, that's how he popped up on my timeline.
• 3:55:53
  And then when I looked him up, I saw the TMZ article but like so,
• 3:55:56
  where is home girl? Right now, I'm guessing some
• 3:56:00
  police station, or at least she got booked and bail or
• 3:56:03
  something. Okay, so here's a story birdie
• 3:56:07
  so miss Courtney, you know, she was the team Are police station,
• 3:56:14
  you know, after, you know, she was after the stabbing and, you
• 3:56:18
  know, they found her and stuff like that after a while.
• 3:56:21
  You know, she started saying that, you know, she's sort of
• 3:56:22
  saying, you know, I'm a kill myself.
• 3:56:25
  I'm gonna live myself stuff like that.
• 3:56:29
  Well, it's okay, we're not on Tick-Tock, you can actually
• 3:56:32
  hear. It's just on other platforms, we
• 3:56:34
  have to come up with creative ways to say killed yourself,
• 3:56:38
  right? Right.
• 3:56:40
  Anti bullying. And Apparently in Florida, there
• 3:56:44
  is an act that protects people. I don't say don't say, you
• 3:56:49
  forget me. It protects people, obviously
• 3:56:51
  like okay, and it's called The Baker Act, okay?
• 3:56:55
  Well, and it allows law enforcement as well as doctors
• 3:57:01
  mental health professionals and judges to commit a person to a
• 3:57:04
  mental health treatment center for up to 72 hours.
• 3:57:08
  If a certain violent or Suicidal Tendencies, These are displayed.
• 3:57:14
  Okay so she's on a she's on what you call it I guess.
• 3:57:18
  Suicide watch mandatory hold. Yeah, there you go.
• 3:57:21
  Okay and this happened a couple of okay but this was last
• 3:57:24
  Friday. So it's been a week. 72 hours is
• 3:57:30
  less than a week where she now Brian.
• 3:57:33
  It's I think she's still at the cheese.
• 3:57:35
  Still at the mental institution. Oh, come on.
• 3:57:39
  He's still there. She's dead.
• 3:57:40
  Okay. She was just, she probably does
• 3:57:43
  need mental health care. She just stabbed a man, but like
• 3:57:49
  Um, okay so she's not he hasn't been arraigned.
• 3:57:53
  No. So she was detained on April
• 3:57:55
  3rd. It did.
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  Oh wait. Okay.
• 3:57:58
  So this actually was it last week?
• 3:58:00
  This was today's the day. Yeah.
• 3:58:04
  Okay. So it's been five days since
• 3:58:05
  this happened. Yeah.
• 3:58:07
  But so she's you know it still hold onto her.
• 3:58:10
  Yeah, it's funny because it says that her her content was still
• 3:58:14
  uploaded on the fourth after she was a team.
• 3:58:17
  I mean, you can schedule post to be update.
• 3:58:20
  Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, it's a thing that can happen.
• 3:58:24
  Like so at the moment she's a Not face any charges for her
• 3:58:29
  boyfriend's. Death at all or his murder.
• 3:58:32
  Okay. I mean, okay and like is that's
• 3:58:37
  the thing that when I saw his I was like, what the fuck you
• 3:58:40
  talking about it? She like obviously killed him.
• 3:58:42
  Why is Sheena might get charges once she gets out of the suicide
• 3:58:49
  watch. Yeah, it just it just like when
• 3:58:55
  I saw it, I was like Here we go again.
• 3:59:02
  That's wild and listen like I know that the majority of our
• 3:59:06
  listeners are women and I'm sure a lot of you are white women.
• 3:59:10
  So obviously, I'm not talking about you.
• 3:59:13
  But historically relationships with white women and black men
• 3:59:19
  have not always been the best know.
• 3:59:24
  I remember this is a personal story for me.
• 3:59:30
  Because I remember like, when I was younger or like, I don't
• 3:59:34
  know, start starting to date and, you know, and, you know,
• 3:59:38
  tell him I like him. Okay.
• 3:59:56
  Okay. Took it.
• 4:00:13
  Yeah. Oh no.
• 4:00:14
  How would you define that time of your life?
• 4:00:17
  I was it was it was like my first girlfriend, my first
• 4:00:20
  actual girlfriend and I was just like, I'm done in love Bubble,
• 4:00:27
  blah, own protector of those know, you guys don't know what
• 4:00:30
  you're talking about. She was like cheating on you and
• 4:00:33
  stuff. Yeah just personally like It's
• 4:00:43
  like one of those things I was watching a Lovecraft country
• 4:00:45
  last year and it occurred to me, just this pop into my head.
• 4:00:49
  While I was watching the show, the people who make our laws
• 4:00:51
  right now and grew up during Jim Crow.
• 4:00:55
  That makes me feel very uncomfortable and make that
• 4:01:00
  their formative years were when it was okay to Lynch somebody.
• 4:01:03
  So I think I won't feel like it feels weird to be like, maybe
• 4:01:08
  I'll feel better when the boomers are gone.
• 4:01:10
  People like, I don't know, but like like, we're still connected
• 4:01:14
  to all these times. Historically, were terrible
• 4:01:16
  things happen to black people and so I still feel that caution
• 4:01:20
  and obviously some people don't Well, like we still live in a
• 4:01:25
  world where, you know, if you're cute and blond you can get away
• 4:01:30
  with murder so far. I hope she does it.
• 4:01:32
  I hope that after they release her she does face the
• 4:01:35
  consequences of her actions because him choosing to be in a
• 4:01:40
  abusive relationship. Should not have been the end of
• 4:01:42
  his life, right? Absolutely.
• 4:01:44
  He should have had the opportunity to get out and get
• 4:01:47
  help and heard you the same. And, you know, ultimately, when
• 4:01:50
  these things happen, everybody involved, the one person's Dead.
• 4:01:54
  The other person goes to jail and nothing gets better.
• 4:01:59
  And it's sad because he was just like, I guess a week away from
• 4:02:02
  turning 28. So it's just life, cut short.
• 4:02:06
  Yeah. And the other thing is that this
• 4:02:08
  does highlight like you know I make some some silly jokes but
• 4:02:12
  this does highlight another situation where her friends said
• 4:02:16
  she hits him so he was in a position.
• 4:02:19
  He's in a situation where There was no good ending other than
• 4:02:24
  him, just walking away. Because if he hits her back he's
• 4:02:27
  going to prison as a black man who had a white woman.
• 4:02:31
  He does nothing, he ends up dying like the only the only
• 4:02:36
  solution here was for him to do the hardest thing to do when
• 4:02:40
  you're being abused which is a wave.
• 4:02:44
  The person you love. Yeah. and you know, I can't be
• 4:02:48
  too judgmental there because I went through it myself so did
• 4:02:51
  you But today's case is one, that
• 4:03:09
  despite the death toll there, just wasn't a whole lot of
• 4:03:12
  information about it. This guy began killing in 1997.
• 4:03:15
  He wasn't called until you were a senior in high school Brian.
• 4:03:18
  Oh my God. Yeah, that this happened very
• 4:03:22
  much a during our life. Wait, when you were 2006 right?
• 4:03:27
  Yeah, that's when I graduated. Yep.
• 4:03:31
  He was an outcast, a misfit. But he also went under the radar
• 4:03:34
  for about nine years. If I say the name, Ronald
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  Dominique. Does that mean anything to you?
• 4:03:42
  No, really, that's okay. His other name was the Bay.
• 4:03:45
  You the BIOS trenkler. It's been a little over a year
• 4:03:51
  since I discuss any killers from Louisiana and I got to be really
• 4:03:54
  honest. I needed a break from the very
• 4:03:56
  confusing criss-crossing, killers of California.
• 4:04:00
  The last three cases inadvertently.
• 4:04:03
  Like there were just crisscross over and cases on happening.
• 4:04:07
  Concurrently just Cal, covering California, Killers is
• 4:04:12
  stressful. So today we're going to talk
• 4:04:14
  about a guy that no one really expected much from.
• 4:04:18
  Well, Louisiana obviously got a little bit more than they
• 4:04:21
  bargained. For Ronald Joseph, Dominique was
• 4:04:27
  born, January 9th 1964, had a very small town in Louisiana
• 4:04:31
  called Thibodeau. He was one of six children
• 4:04:34
  Thibodeau is a really small town than and even now it only has
• 4:04:37
  15,000 people who live there today.
• 4:04:40
  Ronald grew. Like he was born right on the
• 4:04:42
  cusp of change in the entire country.
• 4:04:45
  But he was a poor white kid from a poor, white family, in a
• 4:04:49
  trailer park, and a poverty stricken town.
• 4:04:52
  So, change change. What's happened in other places?
• 4:04:57
  Now, his immediate childhood wasn't traumatic, there's
• 4:04:59
  absolutely nothing that pops up in any of the history books.
• 4:05:02
  But sometime during Elementary School to rumors, began to
• 4:05:05
  circulate and both of them were pretty terrible.
• 4:05:08
  The first one was that there was incest going on in the Dominique
• 4:05:11
  household and that Ronald had walked in on his mother and one
• 4:05:14
  of his brothers. The other was that Ronald told
• 4:05:17
  his parents that a priest, molested him and his parents
• 4:05:21
  didn't believe him. And of course we all learned
• 4:05:23
  decades later, but across the country, the Catholic church had
• 4:05:26
  conspired. You're too high pedophilia when
• 4:05:28
  it was in its ranks, right? So it's plausible that this did
• 4:05:31
  happen to him when he was small. And if you're wondering why I
• 4:05:35
  haven't mentioned a lots of his brothers or sisters or even his
• 4:05:38
  mother and father by name, I have no less than 10 resources
• 4:05:42
  for this week, and they don't mention his family's names
• 4:05:45
  really, which lets me know that these people don't want to be
• 4:05:48
  known, huh? Occasionally, a name of a sister
• 4:05:51
  or a brother pops up later on in the story.
• 4:05:54
  But like, apparently people did not want to be known as being
• 4:05:59
  connected to this man. Now, the incest rumors and the
• 4:06:06
  molestation are huge part of his childhood in pre-adolescence,
• 4:06:10
  and they definitely have Bay are probably the first time he was
• 4:06:13
  introduced to the concepts of sex and sexual deviancy, which
• 4:06:17
  didn't help him grow up better. And he walked his way into
• 4:06:21
  adolescence feeling inadequate and I can adequate and
• 4:06:25
  struggling with his appearance and the beginning feelings of
• 4:06:29
  homosexuality, He was a weird kid and there was an air of
• 4:06:35
  absurdity about him. Like when you talk to Ronald, he
• 4:06:39
  was always putting on a little show for anyone watching.
• 4:06:42
  This was him trying to like Trying to find a way to kind of
• 4:06:49
  mitigate the bullying make people laugh.
• 4:06:53
  Using the Glee Club he sang in choir.
• 4:06:59
  And that behavior was enough for his peers to label him as gay.
• 4:07:04
  What really, uh-huh. What I was supposed to be the
• 4:07:10
  Glee Club when I was nice. Okay, okay.
• 4:07:20
  He never did anyone openly and he was actively hiding any
• 4:07:24
  homosexuality from his peers but it did not matter. he did the
• 4:07:31
  painful process of masking hilly, really was to appear in
• 4:07:35
  normal and the other Factor was that even without people calling
• 4:07:39
  him gay, he was also overweight and he didn't exactly, Look
• 4:07:45
  good. He had meddling grades and he
• 4:07:49
  graduated from Thibodaux High School in 1983.
• 4:07:53
  Now, he kind of played with the concept of college for a bit and
• 4:07:57
  running and rolls and nickel State University and Thibodeau.
• 4:07:59
  For computer science. Ronald did not focus on school
• 4:08:03
  at all. He was enchanted by the openly
• 4:08:07
  gay population of students and all the different organizations
• 4:08:10
  he could join. It was okay to be out at school.
• 4:08:16
  Well, not quite the gay community in Louisiana wasn't
• 4:08:20
  its egg form, very small and a very specific type of person
• 4:08:26
  that they was allowed to be out and proud.
• 4:08:31
  And I'll just be blunt. There's a word that I want to
• 4:08:34
  use here that I know gay folks have reclaimed, but I'll know if
• 4:08:38
  it's a my word to reclaim since I'm not a queer man.
• 4:08:41
  So I'm going to just say that these are very hot young studs
• 4:08:44
  who are skinny And people who are gay, will know the word that
• 4:08:49
  I mean, okay. And other people just know that
• 4:08:55
  these the kind of guys who talk about their thin, they're like
• 4:08:58
  fit their law on the shorter side and definitely hot since
• 4:09:07
  the people who were allowed who know who were it were more out,
• 4:09:10
  we're definitely not the chubby awkward singers.
• 4:09:14
  So Ronald did not find his tribe.
• 4:09:18
  And in fact, he was very off-putting to many of the folks
• 4:09:21
  in the community who met him. Like during his first year at
• 4:09:25
  school, they had like a Pride Celebration and he like did a
• 4:09:30
  Patti LaBelle impression and everybody was like this is
• 4:09:36
  weird. He was he was doing like
• 4:09:38
  cross-dressing try to do drag at the local gay clubs and nobody
• 4:09:42
  who promised it at all. He actually stopped hanging out
• 4:09:47
  with the gay kids and stopped hanging out with anybody.
• 4:09:50
  You got it assessed with like making crank calls from his
• 4:09:53
  house. And on June 12th 1985 he was
• 4:09:57
  charged with telephone harassment.
• 4:10:01
  It was a seventy five dollar fine and he was warned to stop
• 4:10:05
  calling people and being creepy and sexual on the phone, who
• 4:10:09
  know? That's not a prank calling he
• 4:10:12
  know. That's why I said it was
• 4:10:13
  telephone harassment. He was calling people and being
• 4:10:17
  nasty. Oh my God.
• 4:10:19
  Now, back in the trailer park, though, he was beloved by his
• 4:10:21
  neighbor's, he crafted this public Persona of being the
• 4:10:24
  super nice guy, he volunteered with the elderly help, anybody,
• 4:10:27
  who asks, he never really found his footing, though.
• 4:10:30
  He worked odd jobs. Obviously lives in a double-wide
• 4:10:33
  with his mom and sister until he could afford his own and pretty
• 4:10:37
  much all of his adult life was like this.
• 4:10:39
  Now Ronald did do drugs and he also sold drugs to make extra
• 4:10:43
  money that's actually the first time.
• 4:10:48
  So the first time, he was reported to the police in
• 4:10:51
  regards to sexual crimes was in 1993.
• 4:10:54
  A local Drifter went to the police and said that Ronald
• 4:10:57
  raped him at gunpoint. He said he met Ronald about two
• 4:11:01
  days before the attacks, they discussed a we buy.
• 4:11:04
  He went around Taos and he said that run was real antsy and kept
• 4:11:07
  saying, he want to show him where his stash was.
• 4:11:09
  So he was like, just waiting this room and then I'll tell
• 4:11:11
  you, I'm ready. And so he was like, I'm ready
• 4:11:14
  and then like he walked into the guy.
• 4:11:15
  So the guy walks in Reynolds bathroom.
• 4:11:18
  And there was a gun in his face, he said that Ronald cuffed him
• 4:11:21
  removed, his clothes and raped him.
• 4:11:23
  Then he took off the handcuffs and told the guy to get out of
• 4:11:25
  his house. This would have seemed like an
• 4:11:29
  open-and-shut case, right? But in 1993, the police and
• 4:11:34
  Thibodeaux had never had a case of a rare, a man raping another
• 4:11:38
  man, and this is went in his 70s still, right?
• 4:11:44
  Well, no. Now we're in 1993, all 93.
• 4:11:46
  Okay, so, I mean, even still like the police.
• 4:11:49
  They're just little bigger in 93, but everything's not San
• 4:11:52
  Francisco. Yeah.
• 4:11:54
  So, unless a cops in the 90s or whenever there's Just like a
• 4:11:58
  little. Yeah, if you don't touching gay
• 4:12:02
  scenes, a crime scene, they didn't do anything.
• 4:12:09
  Ronald fell back. Things were really low-key.
• 4:12:15
  He just did, he went, he did odd jobs and then He went home, he
• 4:12:21
  drank a lot of alcohol. The next time he gets in trouble
• 4:12:25
  is May of 1984, he gets a DWI again, only a fine.
• 4:12:33
  Now the next big moment and Ronald will consider this to be
• 4:12:38
  one of the most poignant of his life.
• 4:12:41
  But August 25th. 1996, a half-naked young guy jumps out
• 4:12:45
  of the window of the trailer and runs to the neighbors and says
• 4:12:48
  that Ronald tried to rape and kill him.
• 4:12:50
  He said he'd been tied up held at knifepoint and raped.
• 4:12:55
  The police may not have been well versed in dealing with male
• 4:12:57
  rape cases, but they sure knew what to do with an attempted
• 4:12:59
  murder and he was arrested in his bail, was set at 100
• 4:13:02
  thousand dollars, there you go. I guess that that works that
• 4:13:06
  works. Now while awaiting trial, Ronald
• 4:13:09
  is left in gen pop and brutally raped on a near constant basis
• 4:13:15
  in prison frequently having to go to the infirmary from
• 4:13:18
  beatings, having his rectum stitched from how bad the
• 4:13:23
  assaults were. Ronald said after he was caught
• 4:13:28
  later on, that prison was when he decided that he was never
• 4:13:32
  going back to jail and that he was going to kill the next
• 4:13:35
  person. He raped to make sure he didn't
• 4:13:38
  go back. Wow.
• 4:13:42
  So that happened in May of 96 rate.
• 4:13:44
  So, by November of 96 he's just getting raped like every day in
• 4:13:49
  prison and the prosecution is trying to put together a case.
• 4:13:53
  And finally the judge is just like you can't keep this man in
• 4:13:57
  prison indefinitely and the prosecutor is just like we can't
• 4:14:00
  find the victim. The kid was gone.
• 4:14:04
  They couldn't even prove his identity based on the
• 4:14:07
  information that he had told to the police, the day that he told
• 4:14:12
  them. That Ronald had raped him.
• 4:14:14
  Well no victim. There's no trialed.
• 4:14:16
  Ronald is released. He left prison a better man with
• 4:14:22
  severe resentment toward the justice system.
• 4:14:26
  He said he'd been wrongly accused and they had allowed him
• 4:14:28
  to be abused and prison based on lies.
• 4:14:33
  And he began killing people, nine months after his release.
• 4:14:39
  David Mitchell was 19 years old on July 13th. 1997, when he went
• 4:14:42
  missing, he was this really vibrant.
• 4:14:45
  Happy guy. Who was last seen at a family
• 4:14:48
  birthday party when he didn't make it to work the following
• 4:14:52
  Monday. People were alarmed, David
• 4:14:55
  worked at the st. Charles Parish Hospital, and he
• 4:14:58
  loved his job, and he was never late didn't matter if he had a
• 4:15:03
  hard party and weekend before and he was hungover.
• 4:15:07
  He was always on time. David's boss called his mom and
• 4:15:12
  his mom called his sister. And the two were actually like
• 4:15:16
  roommates, they were living together.
• 4:15:18
  And so the sister went to her brother's room and she was just
• 4:15:20
  like his uniform and his hospital.
• 4:15:22
  His Hospital ID are still in the house.
• 4:15:24
  So now here's the worst thing that happened.
• 4:15:27
  Okay. The family is it's like what the
• 4:15:31
  following Monday the family is freaking out there calling
• 4:15:35
  people to trying to figure. They're contacting his friends
• 4:15:37
  before the police could contact the family.
• 4:15:40
  A news report pops on TV, detailing the death of a young
• 4:15:44
  black man found on Interstate 310.
• 4:15:47
  His pants were pulled down and he'd been strangled.
• 4:15:50
  The news actually showed the body.
• 4:15:53
  Oh my God. And David's sister saw his
• 4:15:59
  corpse live on television. That is wild.
• 4:16:02
  Excuse me. That's wild.
• 4:16:06
  He had been severely, beaten, and strangled and The family was
• 4:16:12
  traumatized, obviously. Yeah, I said that based on the
• 4:16:17
  image on scream, it looked like he'd been screaming when he
• 4:16:19
  died. Damn, the Mitchell Family
• 4:16:24
  wouldn't learn what actually happened to him until 2006,
• 4:16:29
  Ronald would tell the police that he met David at a gay bar,
• 4:16:33
  but that this wasn't consensual by any means.
• 4:16:35
  He said that Ronald could convey.
• 4:16:38
  Ronald said, he convince David to leave the bar under false A
• 4:16:40
  pretense probably to smoke and then when they were away from
• 4:16:44
  people, Ronald raped, him strangled, him dumped him on the
• 4:16:46
  side of the road. After the first kill Ronald laid
• 4:16:51
  low, it was all over the news and despite the fact that he
• 4:16:54
  wasn't a suspect, he was still a little worried.
• 4:16:59
  He waited as long as he could before, he could strike.
• 4:17:01
  Again, that was five months. His next victim was Gary Pierre,
• 4:17:05
  right before Christmas. Same Mo meet the guy in the bar
• 4:17:10
  convince him to leave somehow go somewhere.
• 4:17:12
  Quiet overpower. The thinner smaller black man,
• 4:17:16
  rape and strangle him. So Gary was discovered, December
• 4:17:21
  14th 1977 and st. Charles Parish even less is
• 4:17:25
  known about Larry Ranson which is very close to my last day in
• 4:17:31
  letter. He was 38 and he died.
• 4:17:37
  July 31st, 1998's s77. I meant 97.
• 4:17:47
  I wrote it wrong in my notes. So that so Gary was Is 97 he
• 4:17:51
  wait another six months. Now we have or seven.
• 4:17:55
  Wait six yeah to kill Larry the issue with that was with the
• 4:18:02
  police Learned was that like before Larry the killers were
• 4:18:05
  all like early twenties teens. So with Larry now they realize
• 4:18:10
  okay well this person doesn't have any age range.
• 4:18:14
  The only thing that's consistent is that they're all skinny short
• 4:18:18
  black eyes. The police were still not taking
• 4:18:23
  the case of seriously though because the victims Were Gay and
• 4:18:25
  the media didn't really latch onto it either.
• 4:18:28
  Now, throughout the next almost decade two, detectives are going
• 4:18:32
  to take a personal stake in this case.
• 4:18:34
  Then it's Thornton and Dawn Burger on they were both
• 4:18:37
  detectives with Advanced degrees a solid understanding of the
• 4:18:40
  streets. Louisiana, and most importantly,
• 4:18:42
  they didn't have any Prejudice towards gay men.
• 4:18:45
  The two of them were going to begin to follow these cases from
• 4:18:47
  1988 until the end and they're kind of the heroes of the story,
• 4:18:51
  but before we can get to how it was solved, unfortunately.
• 4:18:55
  There's a lot more victims. The big, the first big victim of
• 4:19:01
  this case was Oliver. Ah, Lila Banks.
• 4:19:04
  He was the first that was widely publicized and attached to the
• 4:19:08
  name of the beige Strangler. The now the media said that he
• 4:19:11
  was a Drifter and transient, but he really wasn't, like, he had a
• 4:19:16
  stable relationship with a girlfriend.
• 4:19:17
  He worked at the new dog trick Cafe.
• 4:19:20
  He had children who he took care of, he visited them gave them
• 4:19:23
  money for their care. He was close friends with his
• 4:19:26
  boss, Mar Paulson and I said that Ali was a really valued
• 4:19:30
  member of the team but unfortunately had a pretty
• 4:19:33
  serious drug problem and that she had to fire him right before
• 4:19:36
  he went missing getting fired really just made Ali depressed
• 4:19:43
  and there was sort of a downward spiral that eventually led him
• 4:19:46
  to Ronald. Now at this point, it's late
• 4:19:49
  1998 and so Ronald moves from his smaller town area to the
• 4:19:54
  French Quarter in New Orleans. So, Where Ronald lives is like a
• 4:20:02
  suburb. Of New Orleans with New Orleans
• 4:20:09
  being, this massive Hub with lots of people that travel and
• 4:20:12
  move through their right. By October of 1998, Ronald is
• 4:20:22
  also actively hunting, like he is going to work on the daytime
• 4:20:27
  and then leaving and heading to French Quarter at night.
• 4:20:33
  Ali needed money for his drug habit but also to survive.
• 4:20:38
  Sometimes Ali would pick pocket Taurus because millions of
• 4:20:41
  people come through Nola every year, right?
• 4:20:44
  He would sell some drugs, he would hustle, and occasionally.
• 4:20:49
  There was some some gay for pay. Actually, on the night that he
• 4:20:54
  went missing October 3rd 1988, he was out with his friends, a
• 4:20:57
  couple of gay friends, having a good time, his brother was
• 4:20:59
  there, too. And his brother was just like,
• 4:21:01
  why are you with these people and doing this and all, he's
• 4:21:05
  just like, listen, sometimes you meet some older gay guys who are
• 4:21:10
  willing to pay for the younger gay guys.
• 4:21:14
  She's like, it's not that serious.
• 4:21:16
  It's just how I make a little money here.
• 4:21:18
  And there, his brothers like, all right, but But I'm, I'm
• 4:21:24
  gonna go home since y'all are heading to the gay club for the
• 4:21:27
  rest of the night. Hey, it's still Club.
• 4:21:30
  You can go there and party who's gonna try to pick you up?
• 4:21:35
  His brother, was trying to pick up somebody to get some cash so
• 4:21:38
  because the older brother want anything to do with that.
• 4:21:40
  Got you got you got you Ali was about 27.
• 4:21:46
  Ali more than likely saw. The sad rattled as a potential
• 4:21:52
  Mark at the bar. The Rawhide and Ronald saw him
• 4:21:55
  as a thin young black man, he could kill.
• 4:22:01
  When the two went like one likely Ali approached him and
• 4:22:05
  Ronald made him know, he had cash, the two left the club
• 4:22:08
  together. Ronald said they could hook up
• 4:22:10
  in his car and that it was close.
• 4:22:12
  But in reality he had parked pretty far away.
• 4:22:16
  Now according to Ronald, he told Ali just to rub his thing on
• 4:22:21
  him. Despite the fact that Ronald
• 4:22:25
  Dominique was like a very grown man, the way that he talked in
• 4:22:29
  the police interviews and stuff is very childlike.
• 4:22:31
  And some ways like about sex, it was very weird, very good.
• 4:22:35
  And he said, yeah, he said that, Ali tried to penetrate him and
• 4:22:39
  that it made him mad, and he took a tire iron and be all I to
• 4:22:42
  death before he actually killed him.
• 4:22:45
  Then he strangled Ali, who was already unconscious, He told the
• 4:22:49
  police that he let out a lot of the pent-up rage from when he
• 4:22:52
  was in prison and then he dragged Ali's body into his
• 4:22:55
  station wagon and dumped him and overpass under the three time.
• 4:22:59
  The police found Ali October 5th 1998.
• 4:23:02
  No, shoot, no shirt shoes. And his pants were around his
• 4:23:05
  ankles. This will become very consistent
• 4:23:08
  with every victim. Ali was ID because he had a
• 4:23:11
  prior history of petty. Theft, his older brother.
• 4:23:14
  Michael was pretty sad because he been the last to see his
• 4:23:18
  brother alive. I knew exactly what his brother
• 4:23:20
  was going to do, which was dangerous.
• 4:23:23
  Hmm, he related this to the police and Dennis Thornton ended
• 4:23:27
  up getting the case. He went to the bar and talk to
• 4:23:30
  everybody, he could but no one remembered who Ali left the bar.
• 4:23:34
  With now, Dennis Thornton was the one to make the connection
• 4:23:37
  between olly Mitchell Gary and Larry, all of these victims have
• 4:23:42
  been dumped me in the 310 Highway.
• 4:23:44
  They also discovered another weird similarity.
• 4:23:48
  No fibers on On the bodies. No fingerprints no hair and no
• 4:23:53
  DNA. As at this point that they
• 4:23:56
  contacted the FBI and ask for a profile.
• 4:24:00
  Unfortunately this was there is limited information and the FBI
• 4:24:03
  was just like he's going to be poor white with virtually no
• 4:24:07
  education. And while this did describe
• 4:24:09
  Ronald, it also described a million other men in Louisiana.
• 4:24:16
  So as the police are trying to learn about the by Strangler,
• 4:24:20
  Ronald goes to his job at st. Charles Parish maintenance as if
• 4:24:23
  nothing happened. The one thing that they do find
• 4:24:27
  our Ali's body are a few. Like when I say a few like,
• 4:24:32
  under 10 hairs and they're able to determine that, these are
• 4:24:36
  definitely the hairs of a Caucasian person.
• 4:24:41
  This is the first time out of all four murders that they got
• 4:24:44
  any kind of DNA evidence. Dinosaur.
• 4:24:50
  Denise based on the dump sites that the Killer's safe space is
• 4:24:55
  near the airport and Ronald did live.
• 4:24:57
  Thirteen point five miles from the New Orleans International
• 4:25:00
  Airport. Two weeks later, the detectives
• 4:25:03
  are called to see the remains of 16 year old Joseph Brown, just
• 4:25:06
  like Ali he's found shoeless shirtless and with his pants
• 4:25:09
  pulled down, this was more than alarming for Thornton because he
• 4:25:14
  could barely get a handle on it and like he's collected evidence
• 4:25:18
  on this case and then Bruce Williams is has found November
• 4:25:21
  27th 1998 less than a month after Joseph.
• 4:25:24
  Same Parish where they're looking for information on Ali
• 4:25:28
  and Joseph. Now he was able to get more
• 4:25:30
  information about Bruce who was 18 years old and very well known
• 4:25:33
  in the French Quarter. No, well-known enough at the
• 4:25:36
  locals were worried when he just disappeared.
• 4:25:40
  He also had been raped and even though Thornton was open-minded
• 4:25:43
  about gay people, he had never experienced so much like male on
• 4:25:48
  male rape in a case he was just like this doesn't happen.
• 4:25:54
  So because these crimes happened to the last to happen, closer to
• 4:25:58
  the French Quarter that put them in a different County.
• 4:26:01
  And so New Orleans PD, reach out to FBI for a profile, that's
• 4:26:07
  Jefferson Parish Jefferson. Parish gets a response to this
• 4:26:10
  has a little bit more information.
• 4:26:12
  White, male, mid-30s, probable, High School, Dropout,
• 4:26:15
  difficulty, with social skills, which unfortunately, is the norm
• 4:26:20
  for like most serial killers. However, the feds confirm what
• 4:26:27
  Thornton believe, which is that the Kill Zone shows that he
• 4:26:30
  lives near the airport and that this is his safe Zone.
• 4:26:34
  He like some killer specifically kill outside of where they live,
• 4:26:39
  but that's not Ronald. Ronald is picking places.
• 4:26:43
  Very close to where he lives. Now, one thing that the cops and
• 4:26:46
  the FEDS are confused about as at this crimes intra-racial.
• 4:26:52
  Most crime happens within pretty segregated racial communities.
• 4:26:57
  That's why most black people get mad.
• 4:26:59
  When you hear black on black crime, most crime is white on
• 4:27:03
  white black on black. Like because we even though
• 4:27:06
  integration happened in America, we still live in pretty
• 4:27:10
  segregated Community. Great, we check we stay.
• 4:27:13
  And so we've had like racist serial killers that were trying
• 4:27:18
  to further the Aryan Nation agenda and their own way, but
• 4:27:21
  that's not what this That's because people who are killing
• 4:27:24
  to, you know, cleanse the human population are not having sex
• 4:27:29
  with those victims, sex crimes, usually happen with those
• 4:27:32
  closely segregated groups, there are very few power and control
• 4:27:36
  sex killers that kill interracially.
• 4:27:40
  Honestly, I can only think of the other one is Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 4:27:43
  Yes, that's that's all I thought of brought it up.
• 4:27:48
  Yep. Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 4:27:49
  Also had a thing for black men. I've personally, I will he also
• 4:27:54
  loved a man of color. He also kills couple Asian men,
• 4:27:57
  too. But personally, it's something
• 4:28:00
  I've wondered because I wonder if the Look specifically with
• 4:28:08
  the Dahmer case, I wondered if he was sexually fetishizing his
• 4:28:11
  victims. So it wasn't that it was a
• 4:28:14
  fetish. See, I just thought like when I
• 4:28:18
  heard it it was just like he was hunting in his area, that was
• 4:28:22
  his area. And that's where he lived in.
• 4:28:24
  These were two men that were readily available to him.
• 4:28:30
  I think in the case with Ronald, though, he may have been raped
• 4:28:33
  by black men in prison and he was taking out his frustration
• 4:28:37
  on black man that he could dominate member because he's up,
• 4:28:42
  he's not like a tall guy but he's a big guy like and rotund.
• 4:28:48
  He's going after new skinny small, black m somebody that in
• 4:28:53
  any situation he can get a handle on them and like knock
• 4:28:55
  them down. So Ronald takes a break.
• 4:29:02
  Rather odd considering it seems like he was about to ramp up.
• 4:29:07
  I mean he we were getting two weeks apart one month apart,
• 4:29:11
  right. The next next murder doesn't
• 4:29:13
  happen until May 30th. 1999 that was Manuel read.
• 4:29:18
  He was 21 years old, like all the other victims men and well
• 4:29:21
  was slim black, but something changed this time.
• 4:29:25
  His body was put inside of a dumpster.
• 4:29:29
  Ronald, with testify later that he met Manuel at a local bar,
• 4:29:32
  proposition him for sex, and then took me awhile to a station
• 4:29:35
  wagon. Ronald said that they Fooled
• 4:29:37
  Around and that fooling around was defined as Mutual fellatio.
• 4:29:42
  And then Ronald said that Manuel pushed him down and entered him.
• 4:29:46
  And of course, he grabbed his tire iron and beat Manuel and
• 4:29:49
  strangle him afterward. This Probably sounds familiar,
• 4:29:52
  doesn't it? Exactly like what he said about
• 4:29:54
  the other guy? Yeah.
• 4:29:56
  Yeah. Which made the people that were
• 4:29:58
  executing this think that he was in a fantasy.
• 4:30:02
  When this happened, this fantasy of him, taking back, you know,
• 4:30:07
  his his pride, from what happened to him and present
• 4:30:11
  because Manuel was also raped. But in this, the story that
• 4:30:17
  Ronald told he didn't see that happened.
• 4:30:23
  So part of these unfortunately we only get like a partial bit
• 4:30:28
  of closure with him being honest about some of these murders
• 4:30:30
  because he's a little bit delusional.
• 4:30:35
  One month later June thirtieth nineteen ninety two, twenty
• 4:30:38
  one-year-old Angel mayhaw was found laying in front of a
• 4:30:41
  dumpster. Angel was another black man
• 4:30:44
  struggling and doing what he could to make ends meet and had
• 4:30:47
  a bad run of luck meeting Ronald as one of his clients.
• 4:30:51
  Angela's victim. Number 8.
• 4:30:54
  Now, interestingly enough. One thing happens here.
• 4:30:58
  Angel dies and the media suddenly becomes very interested
• 4:31:01
  in this case. The copper of the Baton Rouge
• 4:31:06
  Advocate newspaper in blazing with bold.
• 4:31:09
  Black letters, shoeless body could be work of serial killer.
• 4:31:14
  For some reason, the media fixates on the fact that all of
• 4:31:17
  these victims are met, or a lot of the victims are missing
• 4:31:20
  shoes, and then they start writing in the newspapers that
• 4:31:22
  all of the victims are missing shoes.
• 4:31:25
  Why did it take you so long to mention that?
• 4:31:29
  Well, one, it wasn't true but to I just think it's really
• 4:31:32
  interesting because I would have assumed that the papers would
• 4:31:34
  have been like, can we talk about this whole gay murder
• 4:31:37
  thing happening? I guess, I guess that.
• 4:31:41
  Nope, no article after article about victims, missing shoes.
• 4:31:46
  And if this was the killer signature, But it wasn't true.
• 4:31:52
  Well, no not all of them are missing shoes.
• 4:31:54
  I think that the shoes just fell off as he was dragging, their
• 4:31:57
  bodies around his once he was done with them, he didn't
• 4:32:00
  particularly care. So it's not like a trophy
• 4:32:03
  thingy, take their shoes and then like put him in his closet
• 4:32:08
  or something like that. No, the murders didn't happen at
• 4:32:10
  the dump site today more than likely got lost in the process.
• 4:32:13
  Right? Okay.
• 4:32:14
  Now the wait for the next kill is two months.
• 4:32:16
  This is Mitchell Johnson. He's 34 a bit older than the
• 4:32:20
  others but Ronald Tell the police later that Mitchell was
• 4:32:23
  just his type Mitchell was well-built lean muscle and he
• 4:32:27
  was dumped just a few feet away from where Ali was dumped in the
• 4:32:32
  middle of the August, heat in New Orleans.
• 4:32:36
  This was a move Rife with arrogance.
• 4:32:41
  The police weren't sure if he was stupid or if he was taunting
• 4:32:44
  them. For not being able to find him.
• 4:32:46
  Ronald would later tell the police he made the body dumps so
• 4:32:50
  public because he wanted the recognition Using Ali's dump
• 4:32:56
  site was, so they knew it was him and he'd be able to watch
• 4:32:59
  them cover the case. Oh, Now the autopsy comes back
• 4:33:06
  like all the others raped and strangled, but there were
• 4:33:08
  Witnesses this time who had seen Mitchell in the city of Jenner,
• 4:33:12
  and they remembered seeing a weird.
• 4:33:13
  Chubby white guy with a receding hairline and puffy cheeks who
• 4:33:17
  was cruising the area. Now, for people who don't know,
• 4:33:20
  cruising kind of came up during like the early days of gay
• 4:33:24
  stuff, which is when it was illegal for gay clubs and
• 4:33:28
  lounges to exist. So, when gay guys wanted to find
• 4:33:32
  somebody to hook up with they went And so they would go to a
• 4:33:35
  place, that was only known among gay people to look for other gay
• 4:33:39
  men, as gay clubs expanded and cruising spots declined, it
• 4:33:46
  exists in more of a modern term as looking for prostitutes.
• 4:33:51
  And so essentially, if he's cruising, he's looking for folks
• 4:33:56
  who are willing to pay to play, Sketch though.
• 4:34:02
  We get the first sketch November of 1989 the hairline the round
• 4:34:06
  face and the cheeks. Make for a very distinctive
• 4:34:09
  sketch. It was on every newspaper.
• 4:34:12
  Coincidentally Ronald abruptly, quit his job, packed up his
• 4:34:15
  mobile home and moved to the town of Hama, which is about 58
• 4:34:18
  miles away, and very south in Louisiana right into the Gulf of
• 4:34:23
  Mexico. He requested to park his mobile
• 4:34:26
  home on his sister. Laney and her husband's property
• 4:34:29
  that she didn't mind. She had seen her brother in a
• 4:34:32
  while. While since she's moved out of
• 4:34:33
  the area, he told her he was just looking for a change but
• 4:34:38
  how much was just as poor as the town of boot?
• 4:34:42
  And so he hadn't really changed in terms of where he was living.
• 4:34:45
  Just another small, poor town. So, Ronald gets a job working at
• 4:34:49
  Cairo produce and he's a stellar employee.
• 4:34:52
  No, write-ups, to attendance issues.
• 4:34:53
  He perfected, the personality of being the nice guy, who helps
• 4:34:56
  everyone that everybody forgets about.
• 4:34:59
  He took every shift from his co-workers needed, he did what
• 4:35:02
  he did. Fast outside of murder and that
• 4:35:04
  was become invisible. Most people aren't checking for
• 4:35:08
  the portly guy who silently bags, your groceries and nods
• 4:35:10
  his head. One of the most interesting
• 4:35:14
  things though was that if Ronald had stopped killing right now,
• 4:35:17
  it is very likely that the beige Strangler murders would have
• 4:35:20
  never been solved. But obviously, he did not stop
• 4:35:28
  because serial killers are addicts?
• 4:35:30
  23 year-old Mitchell. Vincent went missing New Year's
• 4:35:33
  Eve 1999. Now Mitchell was an Old Pro in
• 4:35:38
  terms of being in criminal. He went by a, he had an alias,
• 4:35:41
  which was Chris Vincent. He was known to look the forced
• 4:35:45
  Parish PD as someone, who often got caught trading sex for cash.
• 4:35:50
  He was 57 lean dark skin with a mustache and it Goatee.
• 4:35:55
  He ever only really gotten into trouble for aggravated battery.
• 4:35:58
  Otherwise, his record was just misdemeanors and the police
• 4:36:01
  usually didn't care enough to try and put somebody away for
• 4:36:04
  something as simple as, you know, two guys trying to bang
• 4:36:07
  each other. On Jane.
• 4:36:10
  On January first though. Mitchell was dumped on a barbed
• 4:36:14
  wire fence on Highway 7 because of the holiday we also have she
• 4:36:18
  couldn't be done until January 3rd and there was no forensic
• 4:36:22
  evidence left behind, but there were a couple key.
• 4:36:25
  Differences, Mitchell have been tied up before he was raped.
• 4:36:28
  There were also abrasions on his upper, right chest to cuts on
• 4:36:32
  the lower right side and a small abrasion to his scrotum the cuts
• 4:36:37
  were confusing until they discovered that he did have
• 4:36:43
  crack cocaine in his pockets. They wonder if maybe the cuts
• 4:36:46
  were like a site. To inject incur.
• 4:36:58
  The abrasions were from him being dragged on the ground so
• 4:37:02
  they were like, we need to build a task force, this killer is on
• 4:37:05
  the move, so don Burger on lived in Hama and that's how she and
• 4:37:13
  Dennis would meet through this task force.
• 4:37:15
  The problem was, as quickly as the task force is put together,
• 4:37:19
  it's canceled, because absolutely nothing happens.
• 4:37:22
  Next Nothing no more murders. Donald just stops for two years.
• 4:37:34
  For. So they're like listen we can't
• 4:37:35
  put money towards a case where nothing's happening.
• 4:37:39
  Yeah so you all go back to your cities and go back to your jobs
• 4:37:42
  and I guess if he murders again, we'll get back on this.
• 4:37:46
  Dennis. However could not let that go.
• 4:37:50
  He started looking at some other cases.
• 4:37:52
  Now there was a guy in Kansas who had killed 10 people and
• 4:37:55
  just stopped he called himself. The BTK killer that guy wasn't
• 4:38:00
  this guy because well then is Raider killed women.
• 4:38:03
  But the questions Still up in the air, did the bay, you
• 4:38:05
  stranglers give steeds Dennis started checking every piece of
• 4:38:09
  information. He could get his hands on to see
• 4:38:11
  if there were any other thin young, adult black men who were
• 4:38:15
  raped and strangled anywhere else in the United States and
• 4:38:18
  mind you. This is all on his own time,
• 4:38:21
  he's the regular like the police were like, there's nothing you
• 4:38:26
  can look at. So he's doing his regular police
• 4:38:29
  work and then on the side, doing his serial killer research.
• 4:38:36
  Now, Ronald stayed out of the police Limelight until February
• 4:38:39
  10th 2002. He was at a Mardi, Gras
• 4:38:41
  celebration and he slapped a woman because he said that she'd
• 4:38:44
  hit a baby stroller in the parking lot with a car.
• 4:38:47
  The two argued it got hot and then he hit her.
• 4:38:51
  Believe it or not, this is really uncommon.
• 4:38:53
  Usually serial killers who have a criminal past, right?
• 4:38:58
  But they tend to stay out of the legal system while they are,
• 4:39:01
  actively killing the police made a deal with Ronald, obviously,
• 4:39:06
  not realizing that they had the by Strangler and their hands and
• 4:39:09
  said of a trial. He went to something called The
• 4:39:12
  Parish offenders program. This was alternative sentencing
• 4:39:16
  and it was really popular in the early 2000s.
• 4:39:20
  The idea, Was to keep low level offenders out of prison and save
• 4:39:23
  space for the rapists and murderers and Drug traffickers.
• 4:39:26
  Also it saves a lot of money. Ronald put on his nice guy,
• 4:39:30
  smile and he became the number one offender.
• 4:39:33
  In the program, he meant all conditions and was released in
• 4:39:37
  October of 2002. Now during his break, Ronald
• 4:39:41
  continue his work at the produce store but he took a second job
• 4:39:44
  at Domino's Which means there are people who are alive, who
• 4:39:49
  got their pizza delivered, by the bay you Strangler.
• 4:39:52
  Oh my God, having two jobs did take up most of his time and it
• 4:39:56
  did keep him from crime in on the weekends.
• 4:40:00
  He volunteered the Lions Club, he called Bingo numbers for the
• 4:40:03
  senior citizens, he had turned himself into a model citizen.
• 4:40:08
  The problem was, of course that by.
• 4:40:09
  Now, Ronald love the sex but he loved killing more.
• 4:40:14
  He had a taste for the blood and that the cops weren't sticking
• 4:40:17
  around him. He decided that he wanted the
• 4:40:21
  opportunity to be with his kills, a little longer.
• 4:40:25
  He had discovered all kinds of places in how Mama as a pizza
• 4:40:30
  delivery driver. So he settled on an empty.
• 4:40:34
  Open area with the unknowing help of his brother-in-law.
• 4:40:38
  Sam Trimble Sam worked at a shipyard and Ronald was like
• 4:40:43
  that is the perfect place. Ace.
• 4:40:45
  So with all that extra money that he was bringing in, he
• 4:40:48
  bought a second smaller trailer and drove it to a field near the
• 4:40:53
  shipyard. And that was when he started
• 4:40:56
  hunting again. This time though, he was like, I
• 4:40:59
  didn't care if they were gay or straight, I'd offer them drugs
• 4:41:02
  or sex just to get them into my car.
• 4:41:05
  Oh wow, his next victim with Kenneth Fitzgerald.
• 4:41:08
  Randolph jr. He was 20 years old, born and
• 4:41:11
  raised in beyou blue. Interestingly enough, despite
• 4:41:14
  all the cruising that Ronald was doing looking for victims, he
• 4:41:17
  ended up picking up somebody who lived only a couple of blocks
• 4:41:19
  away from him, but this wasn't suspicious because Kenneth had a
• 4:41:26
  real bad criminal past. The other things that were
• 4:41:30
  different with this one was that Kenneth was about 510 150
• 4:41:33
  pounds, so taller and a little bit bigger than the guys who run
• 4:41:38
  up normally when, after so death, but it's tight.
• 4:41:41
  Not the norm. Also, very young, if he said
• 4:41:44
  that man, in his 30s were more his type, but Kenneth had first
• 4:41:49
  gotten in trouble for having sex with a minor and he was arrested
• 4:41:52
  for carnal knowledge of a child, then he got criminal damage of
• 4:41:57
  property and then he got arrested again for sex with a
• 4:42:02
  child and spent a year in prison where he got released and walked
• 4:42:06
  right into the waiting arms of Ronald Dominique.
• 4:42:10
  So Kenneth the pedophile met up with Ronald the serial killer
• 4:42:15
  They found Candace body in the sugar, cane fields of Lafourche
• 4:42:19
  Parish October 6, 2002. He was completely nude and even
• 4:42:23
  though it hadn't been there for very long, decomp is very fast
• 4:42:27
  and the Louisiana climate. The killer had posed this body.
• 4:42:32
  So that his butt was lifted up in the air and he was face down.
• 4:42:36
  Just like all the others though. He had been strangled and raped
• 4:42:39
  and just like Mitchell Vincent. He had been tied up while he was
• 4:42:43
  alive and choked Twice first with a rope.
• 4:42:47
  And then by hand, they wrote this down the choking, obviously
• 4:42:52
  meant something important to the killer.
• 4:42:54
  What I think is that he probably needed the Rope. to do it
• 4:43:00
  because Kenneth was a bigger guy, a rope, the Rope, probably,
• 4:43:06
  he probably did it from behind and he choked him until he
• 4:43:09
  passed out and then because he needed the to get him off, he
• 4:43:14
  did it by hand, so that he could get the thrill of the killing
• 4:43:18
  from that, but that he wasn't able to hold Kenneth down, Being
• 4:43:24
  that this was a bigger guy than right retail.
• 4:43:30
  Even though we have all these murders, FEI Yue Strangler
• 4:43:34
  doesn't make the prep because the u.s. is currently embroiled
• 4:43:38
  in the war in the Middle East. So the u.s.
• 4:43:41
  Press is obsessed with conversations about that Kansas
• 4:43:45
  has the country's ear as far as serial.
• 4:43:47
  Killers go. Nobody seemed to really care
• 4:43:49
  about Terrebonne Parish except for a couple loan cops, who were
• 4:43:53
  bothered by this? Dude's Brazen Behavior.
• 4:43:56
  He's like he is really ballsy. Here.
• 4:44:00
  Oh my God. Six days later rods on the hunt.
• 4:44:03
  Again, Anoka Jones is the next victor victim now Anoka was 26
• 4:44:09
  and he had a pretty hard life of being poor and doing crime to
• 4:44:12
  get by. He had been arrested multiple
• 4:44:15
  times throughout his life for Deft and drugs and Battery.
• 4:44:19
  But he had a girlfriend now and he wanted to do right by her.
• 4:44:21
  He wanted to be a good man for Shelly Weston.
• 4:44:24
  They lived in an apartment on Fremont Street and Anoka had
• 4:44:27
  gone out to get some smoke. Oaks he was right on his bike
• 4:44:30
  around 8 p.m. to the local Corner Store.
• 4:44:32
  When Ronald saw him, Now what Witnesses say they saw was that
• 4:44:39
  Noca as he liked to call himself stopped, talk to the guy through
• 4:44:43
  the Wyndham and then drove back home.
• 4:44:46
  Z, he went home. He told Shelly, he loved her and
• 4:44:49
  then he told her, he was going to smoke outside again.
• 4:44:52
  This time, however, Shelly understood, the subtext.
• 4:44:56
  She knew that when he said at this time and meant that he was
• 4:44:59
  going to be gone for a bit doing something that he didn't want
• 4:45:02
  her to know about know, somebody should we doing got it, two
• 4:45:07
  hours later, Ronald was driving around.
• 4:45:09
  How mama with no cos dead body in his backseat.
• 4:45:12
  He drove all the way back home to booth.
• 4:45:15
  And dropped. No.
• 4:45:16
  Cos body on the side of the road of the 310 Highway.
• 4:45:24
  His remains were found on October 13 by a passing police
• 4:45:27
  officer. The Cavalry of course arrived
• 4:45:30
  taking fingerprints from everything and anything they
• 4:45:32
  could find taking all the pictures.
• 4:45:34
  They had his name and address by the afternoon.
• 4:45:37
  October 14th. They arrived at Shelley Weston's
• 4:45:40
  house with a mug shot and she just started crying.
• 4:45:44
  Because she knew that that meant he was probably dead.
• 4:45:48
  That's been gone all night. If like if there's one thing
• 4:45:53
  that bothers me, the most, when you tell me stories about serial
• 4:45:58
  killers is it's it's that like one of their victims ends up
• 4:46:03
  being someone who's trying to get their life together.
• 4:46:05
  You know, they're on the road in order to get their life
• 4:46:08
  together, you're doing this because stuff and then they end
• 4:46:11
  up fucking dead. Yeah.
• 4:46:14
  I mean it's weird because naoko on one hand, he wanted to get
• 4:46:17
  better for this. This new woman in his life, but
• 4:46:20
  on the other hand, The thing that got him killed, was him
• 4:46:23
  trying to do a drug deal with Ronald Dominique.
• 4:46:27
  So he still couldn't leave it behind and unfortunately that
• 4:46:29
  was the thing that got him in the end.
• 4:46:32
  Yeah. That should just breaks my
• 4:46:33
  heart. The police of Lafourche Parish
• 4:46:37
  first looked into the idea that this was a drug murder because
• 4:46:40
  of milk, has known history was selling, but eventually they
• 4:46:44
  ended up connecting it to Dennis Thornton.
• 4:46:46
  It's kind of hilarious. They kind of ambushed him one
• 4:46:48
  day at his police. Precinct with their case and
• 4:46:52
  they were like this is like yours.
• 4:46:57
  He's just in his office and cops from three different parishes
• 4:47:01
  arrived and they all sit down and compare notes and they come
• 4:47:04
  to the same conclusion. It's the same guy.
• 4:47:10
  Now, back in Terrebonne, Parish Ronald decides, it's time to go.
• 4:47:14
  He hooked a little trailer out in the shipyard to his car, a
• 4:47:18
  Sonoma and then he headed out of town.
• 4:47:21
  It was time to find a new place to live and to hunt so between
• 4:47:28
  the last murder. And the one that's coming up a
• 4:47:33
  significant amount of time ends. The next one wouldn't be until
• 4:47:38
  May 24th 2003 and pretty much what happens here is that Ronald
• 4:47:43
  moves back in with his mom and his sister before.
• 4:47:47
  He had like his own trailer and I don't know what he did with
• 4:47:51
  it. I'm like, did he sell it didn't
• 4:47:53
  have too much evidence in it but regardless, pretty much for the
• 4:47:56
  next three years he's going to be living with his mom, okay?
• 4:48:01
  The next murder is, May 24th 2003, a big gap between October.
• 4:48:07
  But the victim was to Truro, Woods, 19 years old.
• 4:48:11
  He had recently been released from prison and he hadn't really
• 4:48:15
  learned too much in prison. Hmm.
• 4:48:20
  He told some of his cousins and he was going to move in with his
• 4:48:23
  girlfriend, but the real issue as to why he needed to move is
• 4:48:29
  that he had broken into somebody's house and the
• 4:48:33
  homeowner instead of calling the police contacted your Trail and
• 4:48:37
  told him, if I don't get my rings back.
• 4:48:39
  I'm going to show up to your mom's house and I'm going to
• 4:48:41
  kill everyone inside. Oh damn, the the person
• 4:48:45
  apparently he had been robbing the same guy.
• 4:48:49
  Over and over this man lives on the corner of Elder Street, and
• 4:48:53
  he was just sick and tired of it.
• 4:48:55
  What? And like.
• 4:48:57
  So he told his mom, he's like, hey, you know, I need to go do
• 4:49:01
  some things. I'm gonna go move in with my
• 4:49:03
  girlfriend, and his mom was like, no, I know, you're up to
• 4:49:06
  no good. She's like, please don't leave.
• 4:49:10
  She said you had an appointment on May 27th with the Social
• 4:49:13
  Security office. He was like, fuck the Social
• 4:49:17
  Security office. He got her some water.
• 4:49:19
  And he left the house. He was like, I need to go make
• 4:49:22
  some money to pay this man because he's going to kill me
• 4:49:24
  for stealing from him. He of course, never made it back
• 4:49:28
  to his mom's house or to that appointment.
• 4:49:32
  He actually never made it to go get the money that he needed to
• 4:49:35
  pay the guy back. He was found a few days later by
• 4:49:39
  two cousins who were at three Wheeling off of Highway 56.
• 4:49:43
  They told the press that the body looked puffy.
• 4:49:47
  And they did. I mean this was 2003 so cell
• 4:49:50
  phones weren't super common at this point, but some people had
• 4:49:53
  them. Some people didn't these two
• 4:49:55
  were younger and didn't have them.
• 4:49:57
  I think in 2003 it was a little uncommon for a young people to
• 4:50:02
  have phones. It was more of a like grown-ups.
• 4:50:06
  I think I got my mom's leftover, Nokia brick, probably around
• 4:50:14
  2004. And it was mainly because I was
• 4:50:18
  take like the Dork that I am. I was taking an extra class at
• 4:50:21
  school, good writing class during the summer and it was so
• 4:50:25
  funny, like, you're in summer school.
• 4:50:26
  And I'm like, no, no, no, this is extra work because that's the
• 4:50:29
  kind of child that I was. And my mom gave me the phone so
• 4:50:34
  that I could call and let her know when I got out, when I got
• 4:50:37
  on the bus etcetera, Etc, because she was worried.
• 4:50:41
  So like I was 16 then though, so it was It was kind of uncommon
• 4:50:45
  it like young. Like 10, 12 year, olds had cell
• 4:50:48
  phones back then. So those two drove, their little
• 4:50:51
  bikes to a nearby casino and told like the first person they
• 4:50:55
  saw the casino, we found a dead body and the casino called the
• 4:51:02
  police. And they took the police back
• 4:51:05
  over to Charles body. His bike was with him.
• 4:51:10
  See the night before he had gone to, his plan was to stop by his
• 4:51:14
  friends house. Pick up his bike.
• 4:51:16
  Then head over sell some drugs and then I'm guessing give that
• 4:51:21
  drug money to the guy who he stole the Rings and sold them.
• 4:51:26
  So somewhere between getting the bike from his friends house, he
• 4:51:30
  went missing and because he had this bike at him when he died,
• 4:51:38
  interestingly enough, there was no dirt on the bike Treads.
• 4:51:41
  There were no, he didn't have issues but there was no dirt on
• 4:51:44
  his socks. It May and it had been very dry
• 4:51:49
  for the past few days about 85 degrees so they couldn't figure
• 4:51:53
  out why there was a strange liquid around the body.
• 4:51:56
  Like he had been submerged at some point, but it where he was
• 4:51:59
  found was bone dry. He had been stripped of any and
• 4:52:04
  all of his identification actually kind of sadly one of
• 4:52:08
  the detectives that was called like turned him over because he
• 4:52:11
  was face down and realized that he neutral and his mother and so
• 4:52:17
  that detective technically was able to identify him, but he
• 4:52:20
  still had to go to the mom's house to get a positive ID from
• 4:52:25
  a family room, a relative So, the police focused on the man,
• 4:52:31
  he robbed his efforts because, like, you know, he stole from
• 4:52:34
  you repeatedly. And you did say you were going
• 4:52:36
  to kill him, but that man had a solid Alibi.
• 4:52:41
  They talked to his friend, Gary, the one who he had given him a
• 4:52:44
  ride to go pick up his bike. Gary was like, he left on his
• 4:52:49
  bike, that was all. They had their eventually, they
• 4:52:52
  linked him to the other killings and realized that this is work
• 4:52:55
  of a serial killer and not somebody who knew Detroit even
• 4:52:58
  though he was in a lot of like, Just trouble all the time.
• 4:53:05
  Right? Right now, January of 2004 comes
• 4:53:12
  and Ronald gets laid off from the produce store.
• 4:53:15
  He had got he gets a job working at Gulf Coast maintenance and
• 4:53:19
  how am I? But he only stayed for about six
• 4:53:21
  months then he gets his next job as a meter reader and that was
• 4:53:26
  perfect for Ronald. He didn't kill during this time
• 4:53:29
  at all, but he definitely did. why's that, if he Killed stopped
• 4:53:35
  picked a new town. This was the method to keep the
• 4:53:39
  police kind of confused. At least for now.
• 4:53:41
  Now while he's at work as a meter reader, he realizes that
• 4:53:49
  he's finding all these really good locations and he can like
• 4:53:55
  Prospect, but he knew he couldn't write it down because
• 4:53:57
  if he wrote it down that, proved that it was first-degree murder.
• 4:54:00
  And he was planning it, but he just kind of made a mental note.
• 4:54:04
  Note as he drove around different places in Terrebonne
• 4:54:08
  Parish, he's like, oh, that'd be a good dump site. and of course,
• 4:54:13
  since he had stopped, killing from May of 2003 on And it's now
• 4:54:21
  January. The police aren't kind of
• 4:54:23
  stumped by this time. January 2004.
• 4:54:26
  There have been 13. Murders across five different
• 4:54:28
  parishes but they didn't know the details just yet.
• 4:54:32
  Unfortunately, none of them like knew that if they just checked
• 4:54:36
  the boot database, they would have found that he was charged
• 4:54:40
  with attempted rape years ago. At this point, Dennis Thornton
• 4:54:49
  detective starts reaching out. He's like, listen, I know you
• 4:54:54
  were going to do a task force before and that didn't really
• 4:54:57
  work out but this time we have a lot more evidence and there's a
• 4:55:01
  lot more bad. So he starts kind of hammer in
• 4:55:06
  the state. He's like listen, I want us to
• 4:55:08
  do a real task force this time. Well, that's going on Ronald
• 4:55:14
  strikes again, but it's October of 2004, everybody's trying to
• 4:55:18
  prep for tropical storm Matthew which is Kickin south Louisiana
• 4:55:22
  in the but there's like 80 mile an hour winds and here's Ronald
• 4:55:27
  driving around looking for somebody to murder.
• 4:55:33
  So they find Larry Matthews body near a pond and day.
• 4:55:38
  Almonds, the man who found it was Jeff Mauro.
• 4:55:42
  And he was a banker, and he also didn't have a cell phone, so he
• 4:55:46
  drove home. And he knocked on his neighbor's
• 4:55:48
  door. His neighbor was Don Jerome, who
• 4:55:51
  was a criminologist for the sheriff's office in st.
• 4:55:54
  Charles Parish. Oh my God.
• 4:55:56
  So don calls the police and he's like, I'm going there right
• 4:55:59
  away. He makes it in about 20 minutes,
• 4:56:03
  he determines, if the remains are fresh due to a lack of rigor
• 4:56:06
  mortis, he checks the pockets, there's nothing there.
• 4:56:09
  The body was wet. And so, of course, he goes, he
• 4:56:13
  probably dumped him during the storm and attempt to, you know,
• 4:56:16
  have the rain beat any sort of evidence off of him.
• 4:56:21
  He liked this boy, they said the the storm that like the rain was
• 4:56:24
  sometimes going like sideways. Oh damn, I love that sideways
• 4:56:28
  rain. So He ends up using his little
• 4:56:32
  digital camera that he has to take as many pictures as he can
• 4:56:35
  of everything, while he waits for the detectives to show up.
• 4:56:38
  The autopsy is the next day. They learned that he had been
• 4:56:41
  killed with the tremendous amount of force and the overkill
• 4:56:44
  was significant, he had bruises on his shoulders, his back, his
• 4:56:49
  behind his head, the corner. However, then did a drug test
• 4:56:55
  and was like, ah, this must have been an overdose and actually
• 4:57:01
  listed on his death certificate was not death certificate but to
• 4:57:05
  go that's the term that I know. But I've been told by people in
• 4:57:11
  the field you don't call it a death certificate but it's a it
• 4:57:15
  looks like the things that happen to your body and how you
• 4:57:17
  likely died. He writes it was an accidental
• 4:57:20
  overdose and I'm like, buddy. You just said that He was beat
• 4:57:24
  like, to crap before he died. What do you mean he OD'd?
• 4:57:28
  Are you thinking like a Coroner's report, something like
• 4:57:30
  that? Darn it.
• 4:57:34
  No, don't look it up. I'm just asking just a lot of
• 4:57:40
  morticians and people like that and Interesting.
• 4:57:49
  I was just thinking it was like nothing.
• 4:57:51
  I heard people say, Yeah. No dash is the morticians.
• 4:58:00
  This is okay. Okay.
• 4:58:03
  I think you're right. It's a Coroner's report.
• 4:58:05
  But yeah, so they he puts in his report though.
• 4:58:09
  This is accident accident overdose, which I feel kind of
• 4:58:13
  contradicts all these abrasions and bruises all over Larry body
• 4:58:18
  painter. Also doesn't write on the report
• 4:58:21
  if the victim was raped or not. And then in a strange case that
• 4:58:28
  his prints come back and they find out that he's from
• 4:58:30
  Thibodaux. so, he's from the same town, where Ronald grew up
• 4:58:38
  He's and he's also 46 years old, which is the oldest victim that
• 4:58:42
  they have had so far. So they contact, Larry's
• 4:58:45
  brother, who tells them that he hadn't seen his brother for
• 4:58:50
  three or four days. Then I got it.
• 4:58:54
  There's all that could explain to you is that this was a wild
• 4:58:57
  goose chase. They followed every lead
• 4:59:00
  possible and they did determine that.
• 4:59:01
  Like at one point. There is a friend's house with a
• 4:59:03
  bunch of random white people and that he had walked out of his
• 4:59:07
  friends house. After drinking and playing cards
• 4:59:09
  and just never come back. They closed the case and
• 4:59:13
  determined that at some point he must have gone and gotten drugs
• 4:59:16
  and done too many drugs and what?
• 4:59:23
  So that really October, I'm just thinking like, damn, okay, so
• 4:59:28
  you did all the drugs. You probably just fell down the
• 4:59:30
  stairs or something like that. That's probably what happened.
• 4:59:31
  That's where all the bruises came from.
• 4:59:35
  I mean, later on, we learned that Ronald.
• 4:59:38
  Absolutely did get people. Hi.
• 4:59:41
  So it's very possible that what actually killed him was the
• 4:59:44
  overdose but that all the other stuff still happen he was still
• 4:59:48
  strangled and still you didn't mean it just happened
• 4:59:50
  postmortem. Yeah.
• 4:59:52
  It's very plausible like he was doing.
• 4:59:54
  Ronald is doing everything to get the people in his cars.
• 4:59:57
  You want to, you know, hang out. You want to party, you pay, you
• 5:00:03
  know, I could pay you. If you're we do some stuff like
• 5:00:05
  it didn't matter. He was trying to find any angle
• 5:00:07
  to get somebody. In his car.
• 5:00:10
  But we're not of October yet. October 24th 2004 the severely
• 5:00:15
  decomposed remains of Michael Barnett are found that a gator
• 5:00:17
  storage by the owner Dirk Guidry and his wife Wendy now gator
• 5:00:22
  stores didn't have much security No Electronic gate you kind of
• 5:00:25
  paid your money, stored your stuff and nobody bothered
• 5:00:27
  anybody else. They didn't think they needed
• 5:00:29
  any fancy security system but the day in question, when D is
• 5:00:34
  on site and she gets a report from one of her staff that
• 5:00:37
  there's a unit that smells bad and You know, that's not
• 5:00:41
  uncommon in the world of storage facilities.
• 5:00:44
  Like sometimes people do plug in like a frigerator.
• 5:00:47
  And some people are living at a storage units, right?
• 5:00:51
  Regardless, she walks up to the one that smells foul and it
• 5:00:56
  doesn't have a lock. It was secured with a twist tie,
• 5:01:02
  so she just pulled it off and let herself in.
• 5:01:07
  Wendy described the Decay on the body.
• 5:01:09
  So bad. She said he look like this.
• 5:01:12
  This person look, he was easily in his 50s.
• 5:01:16
  Now, so don Burger on and Simon, Fryman are put on the case.
• 5:01:22
  They couldn't determine how he died because he'd been there for
• 5:01:25
  so long and someone came and reported Michael Barnett
• 5:01:31
  missing. They didn't think too much of it
• 5:01:33
  because Michael was only 21 and this body they had looked way
• 5:01:38
  way older but what they decide to do is take photos of the
• 5:01:42
  tattoos that were on hand and they took those two local
• 5:01:45
  artists and one of the artist was like yeah I know that guy
• 5:01:48
  his name is Michael Barnett and they were like wow.
• 5:01:52
  Wow. Well apparently he'd been sit in
• 5:01:54
  that storage locker for a whole month.
• 5:01:57
  Oh my God. And even though fall in New
• 5:01:59
  Orleans is pretty nice, sitting inside of a metal storage
• 5:02:02
  locker, even it only 75 degrees speeds the decomposition
• 5:02:08
  process. Just like everybody else.
• 5:02:13
  They go through every lead and and Dawn wonders.
• 5:02:17
  Could this be the victim of a Strangler?
• 5:02:21
  But there's no proof. Ronald goes into hibernation
• 5:02:24
  again. Dennis Thornton is going crazy,
• 5:02:28
  trying to piece together. This puzzle.
• 5:02:30
  Still, the media is not making a connection either, and to put
• 5:02:34
  this into perspective, for people who are listening, as of
• 5:02:37
  2005, Ronald Dominique had killed as many people as Jeffrey
• 5:02:40
  Dahmer. But there was none of the media
• 5:02:43
  outrage or even interest. The local police department was
• 5:02:47
  less worried about the stats as a serial killer, and was just
• 5:02:51
  like, well, let's focus on the fact that he's killing and Bay,
• 5:02:54
  you blue, Terrebonne, Parish and has been since 2003, he must
• 5:02:58
  live here. So they brought in everybody
• 5:03:03
  with a sex crime, like a conviction in Terrebonne, Parish
• 5:03:08
  to talk to them. The problem is wrong.
• 5:03:11
  Donald didn't get caught in Terrebonne Parish and he didn't
• 5:03:14
  get convicted. So he wouldn't be on the
• 5:03:16
  conviction list. He wouldn't even be on the
• 5:03:19
  attempted list. Because it's the wrong Parish.
• 5:03:26
  So like what they're doing the right thing, but it's not being
• 5:03:29
  expanded. And now, right?
• 5:03:31
  You just searching that One Singular area, you're not
• 5:03:34
  fixated on the area where the murders are happening.
• 5:03:37
  Right now, Dennis Thornton is concerned with the fact that
• 5:03:43
  like this serial killer is killing at almost bizarre
• 5:03:47
  intervals. Like normally it's very
• 5:03:51
  consistent. Or there's like a clump of them
• 5:03:55
  that happened around the same time, but like he would, you
• 5:03:58
  know, kill two in one month, take six months off.
• 5:04:01
  Like normally, they can't control themselves that.
• 5:04:04
  Well, Hey, in later interviews Ronald would say that even
• 5:04:09
  though the police weren't on to him, he decides to operate as if
• 5:04:13
  they were and he wanted to be extra careful.
• 5:04:18
  So 2005 comes and February 20th. 2005 Leon loretty was discovered
• 5:04:25
  in halma, near the shrine Center which was this abandoned
• 5:04:29
  building built in about 1870, everybody called it the Shriners
• 5:04:33
  building He was found by Man, Steve Tim and his son who were
• 5:04:38
  out dirt biking in the region because there was this big
• 5:04:40
  wooded area between the Shriners building and a small airport
• 5:04:45
  that was great for just kind of you know goofing off you know
• 5:04:48
  pop it on the dirt piles. Right at first Steve Just saw
• 5:04:55
  the clothes and he was, he like stops the kids from getting
• 5:05:00
  closer. And at first, he thought he
• 5:05:01
  would like that. The person in the grass was
• 5:05:03
  drunk passed out because he had a bottle of beer on him and they
• 5:05:09
  didn't touch him because they were like, listen, sometimes
• 5:05:11
  when drunks get woken up, they just start swinging.
• 5:05:14
  Yeah, yeah. So Steve called the police on
• 5:05:17
  his cell phone, detective, Simon Fryman got the call at his house
• 5:05:22
  and Simon actually cognized Leon because Leann had been
• 5:05:27
  interviewed during the Nokia Jones murder a couple of years
• 5:05:31
  before another one of Ronald's victims. now, during the time
• 5:05:38
  that Leon is being autopsy, Simon gets Leon's.
• 5:05:43
  Mom to consent to a search of her house and then she lived
• 5:05:47
  there and as they were looking around they found like a
• 5:05:50
  blood-stained behind a chair and they got a warrant and the
• 5:05:54
  warrant allowed the forensic team to come in and take
• 5:05:56
  samples. And that went to a lab Well,
• 5:06:02
  that's going on. Simon goes and starts talking to
• 5:06:05
  Lance friends and realize that he kind of went missing.
• 5:06:09
  Sometime around February 13th. He got into a fight with his
• 5:06:13
  friends, over some tools and they said he stole them and he
• 5:06:18
  said he didn't. And so, the current friends kind
• 5:06:20
  of we're having a little bit of a well, we're not going to talk
• 5:06:22
  to you a moment and so no one had seen him after that.
• 5:06:26
  Now the autopsy did show that Leon was very drunk when he died
• 5:06:30
  and he'd also been Strangled, with some kind of a chord.
• 5:06:34
  They figured that, his blood alcohol level would have been so
• 5:06:37
  high that he wouldn't have been able to really defend himself.
• 5:06:44
  Now, Simon is the same environment is at the police
• 5:06:48
  precinct doing like the work you the paperwork because that's the
• 5:06:52
  stuff they never talked about, right?
• 5:06:54
  And a woman comes in, for a different case, around the Sugar
• 5:06:58
  Bowl, motel and on a whim Simon, kind of shows her Leon's
• 5:07:02
  picture, and she's like, oh yeah, he's here a lot, the Sugar
• 5:07:06
  Bowl was a known spot to pick up professionals and for
• 5:07:10
  professionals to find John So she was able to cut their time
• 5:07:15
  from nine days to 36 hours. Whoo damn nice.
• 5:07:21
  Yeah she had seen him as frequently as a day and a half
• 5:07:24
  before he died. The other important detail that
• 5:07:28
  she was able to tell them was that she had seen Leon with a
• 5:07:31
  white guy, who had a limp On March 3rd.
• 5:07:37
  They got a call from a witness saying there had been a man a
• 5:07:40
  maroon car that had been near the airport just standing there
• 5:07:46
  and that was kind of weird because this is like a small
• 5:07:49
  private airport and he's just around and that puts this
• 5:07:58
  random, weird Shifty, white guy near the remains hours before
• 5:08:03
  the body had been dumped. Aunt.
• 5:08:06
  Very good information but they didn't have enough to identify
• 5:08:09
  him. Right.
• 5:08:11
  Early April, they find them. Another man fully clothed in a
• 5:08:16
  wooded area, near the Lafourche Work Release Center, and
• 5:08:19
  Lafourche Paris detectors were used to it now and they just
• 5:08:23
  showed up trying to collect any evidence they could and of
• 5:08:26
  course there's no i.d. No evidence.
• 5:08:30
  So LSPD puts out a bolo for people who don't know, bolo
• 5:08:34
  stands out stands for be on the lookout.
• 5:08:36
  It's a type of bulletin and instead of saying like, hey,
• 5:08:41
  look for this suspect. It was.
• 5:08:45
  Hey, is there anyone that can get us in contact with someone
• 5:08:49
  who recognizes this person? Yeah, and this brought in other
• 5:08:57
  police who saw Saw the similarities of the victims in
• 5:09:01
  their Parish. The autopsy showed he'd been
• 5:09:07
  strangled. And after his prints went
• 5:09:09
  through the apis database, his name came back as August Tyrell
• 5:09:13
  Watkins, five foot six hundred thirty pounds, 32 years old also
• 5:09:16
  if people don't know if is stands for the automated
• 5:09:19
  fingerprint identification system which is what we use in
• 5:09:23
  the u.s. It doesn't actually pinpoint the
• 5:09:26
  fingerprints like on the TV shows.
• 5:09:28
  But what it will do is it will give the print examiner a
• 5:09:32
  collection to look through. Instead of like 5,000 people, it
• 5:09:39
  might return 24 and then they print those out and they look
• 5:09:44
  and they compare the prints. They have to a much smaller
• 5:09:47
  number so it makes the job significantly Sims year.
• 5:09:50
  Yeah, that's all this is. It's great information.
• 5:09:54
  I do like to Rouse Family actually didn't know he was
• 5:09:59
  missing because he'd been evicted from his home and he was
• 5:10:02
  struggling with housing. So everybody knew Ooh, that like
• 5:10:05
  Tara was living with different people and was bouncing around
• 5:10:09
  to different peoples houses so nobody really had an idea when
• 5:10:13
  he went missing, because they just assumed like, oh, he's with
• 5:10:16
  his aunt. Oh, he's staying at his cousin's
• 5:10:19
  house. Oh, he's staring at his
• 5:10:20
  girlfriend's house, but through talking with the neighbors and
• 5:10:25
  all of his friends and family, they ended up going to the woods
• 5:10:29
  near jack's grocery to look for a bag of his things that he
• 5:10:33
  carried with him. His items were found near that
• 5:10:37
  abandoned lot near the grocery store and they theorize that
• 5:10:40
  Tyrell might have met his killer while asking for food or a place
• 5:10:44
  to stay the last person. He lived with was a young woman
• 5:10:52
  who he'd been dating but she had kicked him out and was dating
• 5:10:56
  somebody else and that at the time that he died, he was
• 5:11:00
  sleeping in a local tunnel. Yeah.
• 5:11:08
  Sorry friends told the police that they'd seen Tyrell hanging
• 5:11:11
  out with a white guy who drove a white truck and they found the
• 5:11:15
  white guy and his wife based on running the place this couple
• 5:11:18
  neutral because they brought it, they bought drugs from him and
• 5:11:21
  they were kind of, like, nervous when they talk to the police and
• 5:11:26
  the police were like, what you called him at multiple locations
• 5:11:29
  and they're like, fine, we got drugs from him.
• 5:11:31
  That's why we called him different places.
• 5:11:33
  He lived, you got us. The first like they were like do
• 5:11:41
  you ever let this guy drive your truck?
• 5:11:43
  And the lady was like I would never and they were like we
• 5:11:45
  definitely have people who say that you he was seen driving it
• 5:11:50
  and you were sitting with it and the thing was apparently the
• 5:11:52
  couple were broken up and got back together so there might
• 5:11:55
  have been a little hanky-panky going on way and she didn't want
• 5:11:58
  to let her husband know, had happened, right right, right.
• 5:12:03
  I mean they followed no less than 10 leads.
• 5:12:06
  They learned about everything if he was going through while
• 5:12:09
  struggling with housing but the case stalled after everybody
• 5:12:13
  checked out, Now, remember how I said that Denis Norden was
• 5:12:17
  trying to get the police to do a task force today.
• 5:12:21
  Finally get one or oh buddy, we get it.
• 5:12:24
  We get task force. All right.
• 5:12:25
  Oh nice, nice, nice. Now, Dennis is parish is
• 5:12:31
  Terrebonne and so, don, don Bergeron has her own Parish that
• 5:12:36
  she's dealing with ones and so ultimately the two of them kind
• 5:12:39
  of piece things together and they're like, all right, at this
• 5:12:42
  point. Now we have potentially 15
• 5:12:43
  murders. We know the guys Is mobile.
• 5:12:45
  We know he picks up his victims on the street.
• 5:12:47
  It's a must be consistent motive.
• 5:12:49
  Across victims, that turns out to be not true.
• 5:12:52
  His MO is different depending on the victim.
• 5:12:56
  Now what originally started as a sex crimes had devolved into
• 5:13:00
  like just murder because they couldn't not all the bodies.
• 5:13:03
  They couldn't determine whether they've been assaulted or not.
• 5:13:07
  They were very disheartened by the fact that the major media
• 5:13:09
  news wouldn't cover this and thing that was really
• 5:13:12
  interesting is because around the same time Member how I said
• 5:13:15
  I was looking for there not to be a crisscross of murders.
• 5:13:19
  There was a crisscross of murder as I forgot about Derrick Todd
• 5:13:22
  Lee. The Baton Rouge serial killer,
• 5:13:25
  who was killing in Northern Louisiana.
• 5:13:27
  While Ronald was killing in Southern Louisiana.
• 5:13:30
  Oh my God, the process was all over.
• 5:13:33
  Derrick, Todd Lee's case because that was a black man killing
• 5:13:38
  white women that sells papers Ronald, of course, was choosing
• 5:13:43
  black men down on their luck. Offering them, hope a place to
• 5:13:47
  say, or just some drugs to pass the night.
• 5:13:51
  And therefore those cases weren't really, you know, making
• 5:13:56
  the yeah, no headline news right there.
• 5:14:02
  But finally, it's April 2005 and Dennis gets that real task force
• 5:14:06
  after 15 murders. So the state and vice Dennis to
• 5:14:10
  this massive meeting. Because he'd been the longest on
• 5:14:14
  the cases. He'd been following them for
• 5:14:16
  eight years now. And they also included Tom
• 5:14:18
  Lambert from ham from the how much Sheriff's Office and FBI
• 5:14:22
  agent from New Orleans Jack or sign Simon Fryman from Hama PD
• 5:14:27
  Dawn Burger on from Terrebonne Parish and her boss.
• 5:14:31
  Major four major Vernon Booyah Booyah, there's so many friends
• 5:14:37
  James I had to look up. So good right now.
• 5:14:41
  Also they invited 14 other cops representing all six of the
• 5:14:44
  parishes where there were murdered Dennis was hype.
• 5:14:47
  He was like, we have the money now to really fun.
• 5:14:49
  This it's getting on the news and so, they did decide to focus
• 5:14:53
  on Terrebonne Parish since five of the most recent murders
• 5:14:56
  happen there. Both, he and Don become lead,
• 5:14:58
  detectives on Me on the task force, and they were chosen
• 5:15:02
  because of their years of looking into the case.
• 5:15:04
  But also the fact that the two always kind of showed initiative
• 5:15:07
  in a willingness to kind of think, outside the box, Don was
• 5:15:09
  exceptionally talented at speaking to Witnesses and
• 5:15:12
  potential suspects, and getting quick confessions, or statements
• 5:15:16
  as a police, like to call them. She said, I had a very
• 5:15:20
  incredible ability to soften people up and get them to just
• 5:15:24
  spill their guts. This was very valuable trait for
• 5:15:28
  this investigation because even people who weren't suspects had
• 5:15:32
  information to give and we didn't have the time for you to
• 5:15:35
  be standoffish. Give me the information.
• 5:15:38
  Even I need so we can move on and go somewhere else.
• 5:15:43
  Right, that's how I always am with.
• 5:15:44
  People. Look, look, I got Time.
• 5:15:47
  Come on, come on, come on, but she did it in a way that you
• 5:15:49
  know, didn't make people feel standoffish.
• 5:15:51
  It was it was it's a talent. Unfortunately, as soon as they
• 5:15:55
  got themselves together, another murder happened.
• 5:15:58
  This time and Lafourche Parish, it was the end of April and Kirk
• 5:16:02
  Cunningham's. Body was found floating in a
• 5:16:04
  ditch. Kurt was 23 years old.
• 5:16:07
  And from Thibodeau, he was the first White victim.
• 5:16:11
  Hey, last been seen and how On April 8 but he wasn't discovered
• 5:16:15
  until 20 days later off of Highway 307, the apps autopsy
• 5:16:20
  ruled inconclusive because he's been sitting in water for days
• 5:16:28
  actually. Okay.
• 5:16:30
  So because it was like a dish, it was probably not all water.
• 5:16:34
  So like half of his body is water.
• 5:16:36
  Decomposed in the other half is it's not yeah.
• 5:16:43
  Decomp from this point forward. They decided we need to
• 5:16:48
  streamline this process. We have a lot of people on this.
• 5:16:51
  There's no need for redundancies.
• 5:16:53
  So, we're going to use one crime lab for all future evidence.
• 5:16:57
  This will all of the evidence will only be handled by the same
• 5:17:02
  people. So there is no confusion as to
• 5:17:08
  who has it like this detective is the person who's going to
• 5:17:11
  carry this stuff in his car to this lab and will be that person
• 5:17:16
  from now on. Okay, this standardization gave
• 5:17:21
  everybody. The thing that they were to
• 5:17:22
  handle, kind of expertly at every crime scene, so there's no
• 5:17:25
  wasted energy. Dennis came up with the idea for
• 5:17:29
  them to fingerprint. All of Kurt Cunningham's body.
• 5:17:35
  But to use different temperatures to maybe make
• 5:17:41
  certain things appear. He said that he got this from
• 5:17:46
  CSI. Oh my God, like worth a shot.
• 5:17:51
  To see if depending on the temperature things, you know the
• 5:17:55
  skin might change and you might get a usable print.
• 5:18:02
  Now Dennis and Dawn are digging into the current investigation
• 5:18:04
  and another murder happens. This time Alonzo Hogan, 23 years
• 5:18:08
  old st. Charles Parish July 2nd Alonzo
• 5:18:12
  was 28 and he was black, he was found fully dressed.
• 5:18:17
  Ronald had gone back to an old dump site the cane field off of
• 5:18:20
  Highway 306. They went back to the old files,
• 5:18:24
  to try and find a connection between the new cases, and the
• 5:18:27
  old ones. How am I resident Wayne Smith?
• 5:18:36
  Is found in a ditch fully clothed on August 16th.
• 5:18:40
  So why month later off of Grand Caillou Road.
• 5:18:44
  This is another one that gets marked as undetermined by the
• 5:18:47
  coroner due to Advanced decomposition.
• 5:18:50
  Wayne is one of the youngest victims at only 17 years old.
• 5:18:54
  They use the same protocols collect as much evidence has
• 5:18:57
  and, you know, follow their, their plan.
• 5:19:01
  Donald that is also root out the shoe connection.
• 5:19:04
  It wasn't a signature, it was just the side effect of having
• 5:19:06
  to move the bodies CIA. But an interesting thing was
• 5:19:11
  that three of the victims have been seen at the Sugar Bowl
• 5:19:14
  Motel just before their death. And they noticed that every
• 5:19:18
  victim had at least one prior criminal offense.
• 5:19:23
  That was an interesting pattern, too.
• 5:19:27
  Now it's August 28, 2005. Do you remember what happened
• 5:19:32
  Ryan? You said, August 28th, 2005.
• 5:19:40
  I don't. Well, disaster struck Louisiana
• 5:19:44
  Hurricane Katrina one of the five deadliest hurricanes in US.
• 5:19:47
  History, I'm sorry, that's okay. It was a category 3.
• 5:19:51
  When it made landfall on the Gulf Coast on August 29th, for
• 5:19:55
  people who are Americans, who are listening, Louisiana,
• 5:19:58
  specifically New Orleans is below sea level.
• 5:20:00
  And the region is protected by a series of flood walls and levees
• 5:20:04
  that pretty much block water from going where it shouldn't.
• 5:20:07
  Some of these flood levees can be natural, but many of them
• 5:20:11
  were man-made. And on Monday, August 29th,
• 5:20:14
  there were over 50 failures in the walls and 80% of New Orleans
• 5:20:18
  and all of st. Bernard Parish flooded, you're
• 5:20:22
  talking tens of billions of gallons of water from the
• 5:20:26
  Atlantic Ocean, flooding over 100,000 homes and businesses.
• 5:20:30
  It is considered to be one of the costliest, natural disasters
• 5:20:32
  in US history, costing over 100 billion dollars God.
• 5:20:37
  And the thing is, if you're from the south, I give her somebody
• 5:20:40
  who's listening from the south like Like, at one point, one of
• 5:20:44
  my family members lived in Port, not with a.
• 5:20:48
  What's the bottommost town in Florida?
• 5:20:50
  I forget what it's called acute was.
• 5:20:53
  It's one of the keys. Yeah, income like it's they're
• 5:20:57
  so used to hurricanes that. They just like stack up there
• 5:21:01
  sandbags and then they drive away and they tow back to the
• 5:21:05
  mainland. Like they're just used to them
• 5:21:06
  happening, like every 6 to 12 months and it's always like this
• 5:21:11
  is gonna be the First one and they're just like yeah, whatever
• 5:21:14
  whatever it is. It was kind of like that in New
• 5:21:18
  Orleans because they were used to these but the because the
• 5:21:23
  levy the Levee failures happened People didn't evacuate like
• 5:21:29
  people didn't evacuate and eight, 1836 people were killed.
• 5:21:34
  There are a host of horrible atrocities against people that
• 5:21:37
  happen in the city. During this time, I mean, I
• 5:21:39
  remember watching there were police forcing people with kids
• 5:21:44
  back into flooded water while they were trying to cross a
• 5:21:47
  bridge because the bridge was dangerous, but like the people
• 5:21:50
  were like we're gonna drown that was caught on camera.
• 5:21:55
  There was also an entire prison that was left full of inmates
• 5:21:59
  and the inmates were left or drown as the guards kind of
• 5:22:02
  worried about their own safety. That's something that they don't
• 5:22:04
  like to talk about and there's a lot of history around that a lot
• 5:22:08
  of government in action and mismanagement happened.
• 5:22:11
  I could go on, but we don't have the time.
• 5:22:14
  It took two years just to rid the city of biohazards and begin
• 5:22:19
  rebuilding. And when I say that, New Orleans
• 5:22:23
  is frequently called the city of the dead.
• 5:22:25
  It's notoriously haunted, and it has a host of above-ground
• 5:22:29
  mausoleums and beautiful cemeteries and well, those are
• 5:22:33
  below sea level. When the flood happened.
• 5:22:41
  The bodies in the ground also came out.
• 5:22:46
  So they were finding remains and having to try and figure out
• 5:22:51
  where they came from. Where these people, who drowned
• 5:22:53
  in the actual water are these remains from cemeteries, it took
• 5:22:56
  years, it's been 17 years since. And from what I understand
• 5:23:01
  things are mostly back to normal down there but That's good.
• 5:23:06
  That's good to hear. Well, once the water subsided,
• 5:23:09
  there was another murder to deal with.
• 5:23:12
  Krista Ville, 40 years old and this time it was a new dump
• 5:23:16
  site. Assumption Parish he wasn't a
• 5:23:19
  typical victim. Chris was not transient.
• 5:23:22
  He didn't have a history of drugs or Home of my keys were
• 5:23:30
  homelessness, but you know, housing issues or even crime in
• 5:23:36
  his background, right? His family was together.
• 5:23:38
  His brother was a cop. He was also fully clothed and
• 5:23:43
  left off of Highway 1. It was almost like maybe this
• 5:23:47
  one was done in a Moment of desperation.
• 5:23:56
  Interesting. And what I see as the stunning
• 5:23:59
  display of sort of fuckery that isn't Dawn's bosses.
• 5:24:04
  Begin, freaking out on the task force and saying you're taking
• 5:24:07
  too long. We want results.
• 5:24:11
  Even though it had taken them, eight years to provide, Dennis
• 5:24:14
  with the money to, even really pursue the cases, they were
• 5:24:17
  being expected to solve them immediately.
• 5:24:23
  Okay, thank you for the money now, we'll create some magic for
• 5:24:26
  you. Okay, snack.
• 5:24:28
  Well, luckily, the task force gets a break and that break
• 5:24:31
  comes in the name of a man named John.
• 5:24:34
  Banning John was the typical Mark for Ronald?
• 5:24:38
  What Ronald didn't know was that John's parole officer was
• 5:24:43
  officer Lambert? One of the men in the task
• 5:24:45
  force. John was walking on the highway
• 5:24:49
  when he was approached by Ronald and offered sex with a girl
• 5:24:53
  based off of a photo. Anton was like he doesn't look
• 5:24:58
  very dangerous and that picture is very sexy.
• 5:25:01
  What's the harm in going to his house and see if she's real?
• 5:25:07
  So as they're Drivin, he said that Ronald talked about some
• 5:25:10
  weird stuff, he talked about how he was going to have to tie John
• 5:25:14
  up because the girls really like bashful about new guys, it was
• 5:25:19
  real weird. Also, he randomly talked about
• 5:25:22
  how there was a stigma around being gay.
• 5:25:25
  And for some reason, when Ronald pulled into his sister's
• 5:25:27
  driveway, John still State, they went to the trailer.
• 5:25:33
  Ronald begins his routine. He tells John get undressed,
• 5:25:37
  Rest, and he's like, and then I'll tie you up.
• 5:25:39
  And John kind of took stock of the room.
• 5:25:41
  And was just like, there are jugs of urine in this room,
• 5:25:45
  which is weird, and also Stacks, and stacks of gay porn.
• 5:25:52
  John takes that moment and just walks out of the door.
• 5:25:55
  And Ronald doesn't stop him. He actually said he ran back to
• 5:25:59
  the highway. Wow.
• 5:26:03
  Okay, so Donna, Dennis are, you know, back at headquarters
• 5:26:08
  discussing their try to figure out like the guy that Witnesses
• 5:26:13
  reported Didn't seem like a big guy like yeah, he was Heavy SAT
• 5:26:19
  but he wasn't very tall. And like he didn't seem very
• 5:26:23
  strong according to Witnesses. So they're trying to figure out
• 5:26:25
  how is he getting these people to get in his car.
• 5:26:29
  They had already been through every sex offender in every
• 5:26:32
  Parish where there was a murder. But they didn't think to talk to
• 5:26:38
  the Parolees and so that came up during this conversation and
• 5:26:43
  they they like, hey, they like they go to their squadmate
• 5:26:45
  Lambert and they're just like, hey, we want to go through all
• 5:26:49
  the Parolees and you're here. So you have the list on you,
• 5:26:52
  like I mean, you still working at a, his side to work their
• 5:26:54
  regular stuff too. And so he's just like we want to
• 5:26:58
  talk to all the people who are on parole in this town.
• 5:27:02
  Which is how John Banning ended up in the interrogation room
• 5:27:05
  talking to Dennis and Dawn. I guess, first he talked to
• 5:27:09
  Lambert and then to Dennis and on John tells them how this fat
• 5:27:12
  white guy pulled up on him and a black Sonoma truck, offered him,
• 5:27:15
  alcohol. And a crack at banging hot
• 5:27:18
  chick. He told them exactly where
• 5:27:20
  Ronald had taken them to make them to.
• 5:27:23
  And this is so weird. But like, they all met near
• 5:27:27
  Ronald house and I think it's really up because you have like
• 5:27:30
  a regular police officer with John Banning and then you have
• 5:27:34
  two detectives in like suits, But they don't walk up to the
• 5:27:40
  door. In fact, what Dawn does is she
• 5:27:45
  goes up to Or Don does is she goes up to the mailbox and she
• 5:27:55
  begins kind of flooding through the mail and there's only one
• 5:27:59
  male named in the house. Ronald J Dominique.
• 5:28:04
  They decide. They go back and they decide
• 5:28:08
  they want to make sure this is airtight, so they decide to just
• 5:28:12
  go talk to him. Like, knock on the door, they're
• 5:28:14
  like, hey Ronald, um, There's this guy who made kind of a
• 5:28:21
  charge against you, and we just want to talk to you about it.
• 5:28:26
  His name's John Banning and he like, filed a report, he's like,
• 5:28:28
  can you talk to us at the station and so they go in and
• 5:28:31
  Ronald tells them that he know, he's just in a kinky sex and he
• 5:28:34
  was having fun with the whole tied up thing.
• 5:28:37
  Dennis asks, run up to take a lie detector test and for the
• 5:28:40
  first time in their interview Ronald gets pissed and he's like
• 5:28:44
  what's all this about? And then it's just tries to play
• 5:28:47
  it off. Cool, listen.
• 5:28:48
  To Dominique. We're just trying to clear these
• 5:28:49
  cases. We're working on, if you can
• 5:28:51
  help us, that would be wonderful.
• 5:28:54
  So he agrees to the polygraph then Dawn, it's just like, you
• 5:28:58
  know, it would help us a lot if you sign this consent form.
• 5:29:05
  And give us your DNA. Oh God, he agrees and they take
• 5:29:11
  a hair and saliva sample and they thanked him over and over
• 5:29:15
  again and send him on his way. And if you listen to the podcast
• 5:29:17
  a lot, you're like wait, what? Well, okay, so it's weird that
• 5:29:22
  he was so agreeable. But also the other weird thing
• 5:29:25
  is that they had to ask permission to get his DNA
• 5:29:27
  because we've had other cases, like the Grim sleeper, where
• 5:29:32
  they followed him to a birthday party.
• 5:29:34
  And Told the plates and cakes that he ate off of, right.
• 5:29:38
  Yeah, that's because the DNA at that time.
• 5:29:44
  They did it wasn't as advanced as it is.
• 5:29:47
  Today even 10 years later. And so now we can get DNA on
• 5:29:52
  vert off of virtually anything. But back then we couldn't.
• 5:29:55
  So they went for the thing that you could get the best match on
• 5:29:58
  which was hair spit semen. They were like, can we can we
• 5:30:04
  get these? I think you can't ask him for a
• 5:30:06
  semen sample. He wouldn't do that, but like
• 5:30:09
  you never know, you never know. He see that kind of guy who
• 5:30:12
  probably give it up to Who knows?
• 5:30:15
  They paint John Bannon back in and John's like no, no, no.
• 5:30:18
  I did not willingly go to his house.
• 5:30:20
  I'm not even gay. He's like I just thought the
• 5:30:22
  girl looked hot and I wanted to see which if she was there and
• 5:30:26
  so they asked John they're like, okay.
• 5:30:28
  So what if he had tried to stop you and Johnson, it would have
• 5:30:32
  been like the Civil War He click yes.
• 5:30:38
  No, no. So this is where he says Pearl
• 5:30:39
  Harbor. He said it would have been Pearl
• 5:30:41
  Harbor in that piece, sir. Indicating that he would have
• 5:30:47
  fought him. Okay?
• 5:30:50
  What a weird thing to say? Definitely, you know, I would
• 5:30:55
  have been, like, Pearl Harbor. They decide to go into a
• 5:31:00
  database of crimes. Just pulling people who were
• 5:31:03
  charged, but never convicted. And this is where they find
• 5:31:06
  Ronald's charges and it sounds very similar to what John
• 5:31:09
  Banning told them. They also found there were two
• 5:31:13
  other cases of sodomy against Ronald that had been dropped due
• 5:31:19
  to a lack of corroborating evidence.
• 5:31:23
  The police are now. The police, from those two
• 5:31:26
  cases, who, talked around were brought in and they definitely
• 5:31:30
  remembered him. It was even though it was like
• 5:31:34
  the 80s, they've definitely remembered him and they said
• 5:31:37
  that he had a serious persecution complex about being
• 5:31:39
  gay. So with all this information,
• 5:31:43
  Dennis add-on, requested 24-hour our surveillance team, and they
• 5:31:46
  get denied. They're like, that's too much
• 5:31:50
  and you don't have enough to make that worthwhile.
• 5:31:54
  So they put a roadblock up near the Sugar Bowl hotel since
• 5:31:59
  multiple victims were found there and they regularly stop
• 5:32:03
  and search cars at random. Now, this does cut off one of
• 5:32:07
  his hunting sites, but Ronald had more and the stress of being
• 5:32:11
  watched by the police, was stressing him out.
• 5:32:16
  November 5th, 2005, Nick Pelican 21 years old is working on his
• 5:32:22
  home when the meter reader arrives.
• 5:32:25
  That meter reader is Ronald Ronald straight up propositions
• 5:32:30
  him. And next like I do need the
• 5:32:36
  money and so he agrees but later and Ronald picks him up after
• 5:32:43
  round. Gets off of work takes him back
• 5:32:45
  to his trailer. Ronald would later tell the
• 5:32:48
  police that because his mom and sister were down the hall, he
• 5:32:53
  had to make sure that Nick wouldn't scream and November
• 5:33:00
  9th, they discover his remains in the woods and Lafourche
• 5:33:04
  Parish, he had been tied. Up and to add insult to injury.
• 5:33:08
  He had gambled and gone through the roadblock with the dead body
• 5:33:13
  in the back of his car. Kidding me.
• 5:33:16
  Ballsy is all get out. Nick's autopsy came in the word
• 5:33:23
  laceration, peaked Dennis's interest.
• 5:33:26
  He was just like, I feel like I've been reading that word a
• 5:33:29
  lot and so he goes through the cases and realizes that a lot of
• 5:33:35
  the men had lacerations Options to their back of their head.
• 5:33:37
  Meaning, that that was one of the ways that Ronald was
• 5:33:40
  subduing, them by just straight, hitting them in the back of the
• 5:33:43
  head with something hard. Tying them up.
• 5:33:49
  They focus on DNA. The problem is DNA takes months
• 5:33:55
  but they do get a positive match.
• 5:33:57
  Remember all Ela Banks and how they said that there were
• 5:34:01
  Caucasian hairs? Yes, yes him.
• 5:34:05
  Yeah, they do a match but the problem was it was mitochondrial
• 5:34:09
  DNA, really ideally? You want what's called nuclear
• 5:34:13
  DNA, which is, it definitely belongs to this one person
• 5:34:16
  mitochondrial DNA matches. It means that this could be from
• 5:34:20
  anyone in Ronald's. Only, it's not the slam dunk.
• 5:34:23
  You want because DNA was still very new in court, and that was
• 5:34:29
  the kind of thing that could have could get thrown out.
• 5:34:34
  Okay, okay, well, hold on, hold on a second.
• 5:34:38
  You said it could have been anybody in this family?
• 5:34:40
  Do you mean like his family or like his genus family?
• 5:34:44
  I mean, like his actual brother and Uncle a father.
• 5:34:48
  Okay. Well look, it you are you have
• 5:34:51
  this guy Who's very suspicious? Don't you think that you would
• 5:34:55
  like? All right okay this is close
• 5:34:57
  enough to being like him, why you don't?
• 5:34:59
  We just like just fucking take. Well what this did allow for was
• 5:35:06
  that 24/7 security detail. They had asked for months ago,
• 5:35:13
  even get approved for a helicopter.
• 5:35:16
  Oh my God. Take 25.
• 5:35:18
  Yes to follow him around and take pictures from They didn't
• 5:35:23
  even hide that they were following him.
• 5:35:27
  So as they're watching him, the task force creates a timeline
• 5:35:31
  for all the victims. And they're trying to see, you
• 5:35:34
  know, based on like the yearly taxes, where Ronald is working
• 5:35:39
  in relationship to where the victims are picked up and where
• 5:35:43
  they're dropped off and it's looking really good, honestly,
• 5:35:48
  he's, he's always in range of these people.
• 5:35:54
  And the task force kind of kept watching it, like is he going to
• 5:35:57
  run away? Is he going to stay, you know,
• 5:36:01
  summer of 2006. They get their second DNA hat.
• 5:36:04
  Angel Mejia that was based on semen.
• 5:36:08
  Another mitochondrial match. They're just at this point,
• 5:36:15
  they're watching. They're looking to see if he
• 5:36:16
  does anything ridiculous. Well, in October of 2006, he
• 5:36:20
  slips his police detail and kills Christopher center field.
• 5:36:25
  He was 27 years old and just like Nick also white.
• 5:36:29
  It was almost like he was changing his Mo to be like,
• 5:36:32
  look, see? That guy was killing black,
• 5:36:35
  guys. This new guys killing white,
• 5:36:38
  guys. Different God.
• 5:36:40
  Yeah, no idea. Guy killer is.
• 5:36:44
  Yeah, that's totally different. That's not me.
• 5:36:46
  What are you talking about? Well, Christopher went missing
• 5:36:49
  October 15th and he was found within hours of his death.
• 5:36:55
  He was dumped in Iberville Parish off of Highway 69.
• 5:36:59
  He was fully clothed, he'd been tied up and strangled, but they
• 5:37:01
  were aware that he had been raped and redressed the Hope was
• 5:37:07
  that because Ronald had to do this quickly, He had been he
• 5:37:14
  hadn't been as Careful Cleaning off the body and made a mistake.
• 5:37:17
  So they rushed all the evidence to the lamp.
• 5:37:20
  Don was actually in Disneyland with her daughter.
• 5:37:22
  When the DNA results came back from Christopher center field
• 5:37:25
  and it was not a match. She says it was a hard trip for
• 5:37:29
  her and she did her best to have fun with her daughter but the
• 5:37:32
  case weighed heavily on her when she got back from Disney Dawn
• 5:37:37
  and Dennis sat down and they really thought hard like Should
• 5:37:43
  we just bring him in? Even though the da doesn't think
• 5:37:46
  we have like perfect evidence. If we bring him in, we gotta get
• 5:37:53
  him to just confess because You know if we charge him and it
• 5:38:03
  gets you know, and he beats it. We can't charge him again
• 5:38:07
  because Double Jeopardy laws. Yeah, they weren't sure.
• 5:38:10
  Is he going to clam up in the interrogation room?
• 5:38:13
  Is he going to lawyer up? They're like this is a risk.
• 5:38:20
  We're going to bring them in, okay, all right.
• 5:38:24
  On December 1st is when they went to Ronald's house.
• 5:38:29
  Now, interestingly enough, there was also a media leak and as
• 5:38:33
  they arrived to pick him up, there's loads of people outside
• 5:38:36
  of this trailer. Ronald sister just lets the
• 5:38:41
  police into the house points to his room.
• 5:38:45
  There's Ronald sitting calmly, and they're like, we'd like to
• 5:38:49
  inform you that you are being arrested for 2 first-degree.
• 5:38:54
  Three murder charges. I Lila Banks and Angel Mania, he
• 5:39:01
  goes with them with no issue. Back at the station, a decide to
• 5:39:06
  let Dennis leave because he was the more experienced detective
• 5:39:09
  out of the two of them. He decided the way to do this
• 5:39:13
  was to Present himself informally to get, Ronald just
• 5:39:19
  to chat with him about, you know, random stuff.
• 5:39:23
  It's a couple minutes, but browser talking the agreed to
• 5:39:27
  speak without a lawyer present and they got him to sign the
• 5:39:32
  papers for his Miranda rights and then they turned on the
• 5:39:37
  tapes, one of the weirdest Parts like they're not all available
• 5:39:41
  but one of the weirdest parts of will see.
• 5:39:43
  This is that Ronald smoke and like this really small voice
• 5:39:50
  almost deferential to Dennis He admitted to fooling around with
• 5:39:54
  Ali that he met him in the French Quarter.
• 5:39:57
  He said Ali Approached him for a good time no discussion of
• 5:40:04
  money. He gave them the entire rundown
• 5:40:07
  of sex with Ali complete with saying he talked like in such a
• 5:40:12
  weird way. Like you know, some of they were
• 5:40:16
  like oh well what happened then? He's like well I had my drawers
• 5:40:18
  down for what God looks like. It's bringing me.
• 5:40:21
  It's really bizarre for somebody who's doing the things that he's
• 5:40:24
  doing like some of his the way like the way that he speaks is
• 5:40:27
  almost childlike, right? He gives the lie that I talked
• 5:40:35
  to you about before which is that you know, he had told Ali
• 5:40:39
  that he had a surgery after working offshore and then he got
• 5:40:43
  an infection in his rectum. It was the lies were hard for
• 5:40:46
  him to keep together almost like and it didn't even make sense
• 5:40:49
  like at one point. He said that like he got an
• 5:40:51
  infection from a prior partner and that was the first time he
• 5:40:54
  had ever done anal. And then he said that, like, the
• 5:40:58
  infection had been because of a A buildup of pepper and don't
• 5:41:02
  ask me what that means because it doesn't mean anything build
• 5:41:06
  up, its it is but okay exactly I kind of know what it's you know
• 5:41:17
  that people put pepper in a pepper is a but that seems like
• 5:41:21
  a weird thing to put in your body may be effective decided to
• 5:41:26
  focus on the things they knew were lies.
• 5:41:32
  When pressed Ronald and flips the script and says that Ali
• 5:41:35
  held him at knifepoint and demanded money.
• 5:41:38
  And he says he was going to fuck me and kill me.
• 5:41:40
  If I didn't give him no more money because he had the knife
• 5:41:43
  by my throat. Ronald told him, he gave him $20
• 5:41:46
  and he had have any other money and that when Ali said didn't
• 5:41:51
  believe him, he hit him with a tire iron and then that he used
• 5:41:54
  the seat belt to strangle him. Also a lie, he did that by hand.
• 5:42:00
  He admitted to sitting on top of him to keep him from moving.
• 5:42:03
  He recounted this entire story with virtually.
• 5:42:06
  No vocal intonation. It was like he wasn't there at
• 5:42:13
  all. But he was talking about
• 5:42:16
  himself, then he told the then he told Dawn and Dennis that he
• 5:42:20
  drove and drove and drove and then finally went home and sat
• 5:42:24
  in the bathtub and cried. And I think this is really
• 5:42:29
  interesting because they started to remember.
• 5:42:33
  They told him that he was being arrested because of Angel, Mejia
• 5:42:39
  and Ali. But they started slipping in
• 5:42:43
  some of the other victims from Terrebonne Parish.
• 5:42:47
  So like what happened with Manuel read.
• 5:42:51
  And he starts talking about Manuel Reed.
• 5:42:55
  At 1:53, they had to stop and put the tape.
• 5:42:57
  He kept telling them. I don't remember their names.
• 5:42:59
  I don't remember their names, he said the same thing that
• 5:43:03
  happened with Ali happen with Manuel that he knew about the
• 5:43:06
  surgery and that he couldn't have anybody enter him, but that
• 5:43:09
  Manuel had raped him and that he had grabbed the tire iron, head
• 5:43:13
  him and tied him up. So he couldn't hurt me anymore
• 5:43:16
  and then he choked him. That story ended at 7:16 p.m.
• 5:43:22
  Now unlike I guess real interrogation rooms that hold
• 5:43:25
  double-sided glass thing, not the norm.
• 5:43:30
  So all the other members of the task force are just kind of
• 5:43:36
  standing around the door waiting as Dennis and Dawn leave the
• 5:43:43
  interrogation room. Dennis is like, I think we
• 5:43:49
  should keep going. We shouldn't stop for the night,
• 5:43:53
  they own. So while they go outside, they
• 5:43:54
  talked to the crime analysts who say that Ronald had kept no
• 5:43:57
  souvenirs and how has this house?
• 5:44:01
  That was interesting detail because a lot of serial killers
• 5:44:04
  like to remember their kills, right, right.
• 5:44:06
  So with this information, they come back in, that's a little
• 5:44:09
  different, they're going to talk to him about all the murders and
• 5:44:12
  see if he knows things about it. This time he tells them he had
• 5:44:17
  been raped, Raped in prison and that he just wasn't the same
• 5:44:20
  after that. Ronald was particularly upset
• 5:44:24
  that he had ruined his relationship with his sister who
• 5:44:26
  he lived with. He said he hurt her and his
• 5:44:28
  goddaughter. And that she was the only one
• 5:44:30
  who treated him. Well, because he was gay.
• 5:44:34
  When they asked him about the different cases at first, there
• 5:44:36
  was like a lot of self-pity just put them on my name.
• 5:44:40
  So they decide to stop the interview.
• 5:44:42
  They were like, we're going to stop but they didn't stop the
• 5:44:45
  like we're gonna let you go to sleep and he's like well I have
• 5:44:47
  a lot of trouble sleeping since I had a heart attack.
• 5:44:49
  He told them, he got stung by a wasp and that caused his heart
• 5:44:52
  attack. Which made about as much sense
• 5:44:55
  as the black pepper. Build up / gay sex, that caused
• 5:44:59
  the bacterial infection in his rectum.
• 5:45:01
  All right, They're like, we're going to leave.
• 5:45:07
  But first, can you talk about? Like what happened, all the
• 5:45:10
  stuff for the guys, you came to your apartment and he's just
• 5:45:12
  like, listen, I would just throw it away, like, I just throw it
• 5:45:15
  away. He inadvertently.
• 5:45:17
  Lets it slip that he does dump a body at the storage center, and
• 5:45:21
  then he clammed up and was like, it's all the same, it's the same
• 5:45:23
  with all the rest of them. There were a lot of, I don't
• 5:45:26
  remember, I don't remember. And I'm partially.
• 5:45:29
  I do believe him because Rodney wasn't like Alcala who needed
• 5:45:32
  his photos. Or Ridgeway who almost coveted,
• 5:45:36
  the remains of his victims. I think that he might not have
• 5:45:39
  remembered all the names, but he damn sure remembered all the
• 5:45:43
  places and you're going to find out why the following day.
• 5:45:48
  But there's a thing was he didn't care about their names or
• 5:45:52
  who there were or how he got them to their house, the moment
• 5:45:55
  of sexual satisfaction for him came from the murder.
• 5:45:59
  And then once the person was dead, it was like all the
• 5:46:04
  excitement's over. I just have to get rid of them.
• 5:46:07
  Disposer sure he tried to be careful but he didn't intend to
• 5:46:10
  go back or anything. That first things here, gatien
• 5:46:13
  lasted until 1129. That first night.
• 5:46:16
  They finally let him go to bed and then Dawn and Dennis did not
• 5:46:21
  go to bed. They went to the Terrebonne.
• 5:46:24
  Parish da with the tapes from the hours before and they're
• 5:46:28
  like, he's confessed to Aid already.
• 5:46:31
  We got him on these tapes, confessing to 8 with information
• 5:46:34
  that he would only know if he had been the one who dumped the
• 5:46:36
  body. And so the DA's like I mean
• 5:46:40
  that's incredible. Do you like what do you want me
• 5:46:43
  to do? And Don and Dennis said, we want
• 5:46:49
  all of them. M.
• 5:46:51
  And we're worried that if you come in and let him know you're
• 5:46:55
  seeking the death penalty, he's going to stop talking, he's
• 5:46:58
  going to lawyer up, can you? Wait just a couple more days, so
• 5:47:03
  we can get everything we can out of him?
• 5:47:05
  The three of them talk really long into the morning.
• 5:47:07
  But by the end, the decision was the da.
• 5:47:13
  How about we? Give them a deal.
• 5:47:15
  He takes you to all 23, dump sites and I won't pursue the
• 5:47:19
  death penalty. While killing him and putting
• 5:47:23
  him on death row, with feel Justified for the things he's
• 5:47:25
  done. If we get him to admit to
• 5:47:28
  everybody, then at least the families of the victims have
• 5:47:32
  achieved, some kind of resolution, right, right.
• 5:47:36
  December 2nd. They pull him out of his cell in
• 5:47:38
  the morning and present him with the option.
• 5:47:42
  He agrees immediately And then takes Dennis and Dawn in the car
• 5:47:50
  on a very bizarre road trip, across Southern Louisiana and
• 5:47:55
  it's not just the three of them there in one car.
• 5:47:57
  There's an entire Caravan of other, like, police in regular
• 5:48:03
  cars. Just in case he tries to like
• 5:48:06
  Escape in the middle of the woods.
• 5:48:08
  Right. Right.
• 5:48:08
  Yeah. Maybe we're not letting anything
• 5:48:12
  go by even the night before they had him on a full suicide watch.
• 5:48:16
  Ouch because he kept saying things like I just want to go to
• 5:48:18
  sleep and never wake up, it was very dramatic.
• 5:48:22
  Okay. The the way that Don describes
• 5:48:28
  it is that he might have played innocent in the the
• 5:48:33
  interrogation room. But he knew every dumpsite and
• 5:48:36
  he remembered like what the person look like?
• 5:48:39
  He was able to tell them and show them the specific spots.
• 5:48:43
  And she said one thing was the same the entire time he was
• 5:48:46
  emotionless. He knew exactly how he dumped
• 5:48:50
  them or posed them for the police.
• 5:48:53
  When they got back to Terrebonne Parish Sheriff office, there was
• 5:48:56
  still a lot of work to do. Dawn and Dennis took Ronald back
• 5:49:00
  to interrogation to clear up some inconsistencies from the
• 5:49:03
  night before and they were pretty much like, you know, what
• 5:49:06
  Ronald, what do you want to talk about today?
• 5:49:08
  And that kind of let loose The Floodgate.
• 5:49:10
  Mmm. He's like, I'm not a bad person
• 5:49:13
  and he's like, I got molested as a child, two different times and
• 5:49:16
  harassed and bullied by everybody, I knew I was falsely
• 5:49:19
  accused of rape when I hadn't done it which is true, not for
• 5:49:23
  lack of trying but he didn't actually rape that guy.
• 5:49:27
  He just threatened. Into.
• 5:49:31
  Well, he was abused in prison and released.
• 5:49:35
  And maybe I killed a few guys that I took my anger out on them
• 5:49:38
  and it sounds like it. He's like, maybe I should have
• 5:49:40
  gotten help. I'm really sorry.
• 5:49:44
  And they asked why he was so angry and Ronald said that he
• 5:49:47
  was angry, because at everyone who had ever called him, the F
• 5:49:51
  slur or queer, even his family. Eventually he admitted the truth
• 5:49:57
  that his victims hadn't tried to hurt him or extort him or rape
• 5:50:01
  him. He said that he knew that he had
• 5:50:03
  picked up at least seven straight men with the ruse of
• 5:50:06
  saying that he could have sex with the girl in the photo.
• 5:50:10
  He admitted on tape that he raped all of them and that they
• 5:50:14
  were alive when he did it and then he strangled them.
• 5:50:18
  So that confirmed. Even the ones they didn't have
• 5:50:22
  forensic evidence on because the bodies were so decomposed.
• 5:50:26
  Right. He said that the last couple
• 5:50:28
  ones he had taken a towel from the bathroom and shoved it in
• 5:50:31
  their mouth so they wouldn't scream.
• 5:50:35
  He said there were actually a lot more people like John
• 5:50:37
  Banning. Who just got there and decided
• 5:50:42
  they weren't interested in left. He said he was sorry and he
• 5:50:47
  wanted everyone to forgive him. That interview ended at 2:53
• 5:50:53
  a.m. December 3rd.
• 5:50:56
  Okay. The rest of the story is pretty
• 5:50:58
  simple. The plea bargain was accepted by
• 5:51:01
  the court on September 24th. 2008 about a year and a half
• 5:51:04
  later, 30 relatives of Ronald's victims, were there in the
• 5:51:07
  courtroom, some of them spoke at the sentencing Kurt's, brother,
• 5:51:11
  Chris Cunningham, On stance that I hope he burns in Hell pretty
• 5:51:15
  much. I hope the man burns in hell.
• 5:51:17
  I'm sure he will and Ronald refused to look at him.
• 5:51:21
  He actually refused to look at any of them.
• 5:51:23
  The pictures from that day, he's in like a white type of almost
• 5:51:27
  like a straitjacket and he's like his head is like down the
• 5:51:30
  entire time and Chris said I'll miss him till the day I die.
• 5:51:36
  And then he started crying on the stand and he said, I hope
• 5:51:39
  he'll find you fast. Chris De Ville sister, Cynthia
• 5:51:44
  Berra been remind the court that Ronald left her brother and a
• 5:51:48
  cane field to be eaten by rodents.
• 5:51:50
  Her direct quote was when we found him, he was nothing, he
• 5:51:54
  was nothing but bones, nothing we had to bury bones, Angela
• 5:52:01
  Smith, Wayne Smith's mother, the youngest victim wrote a letter
• 5:52:04
  to the court. Just discussing the fact that
• 5:52:07
  had been years since she hadn't seen her child.
• 5:52:10
  And that Her direct words where I put something in the ground
• 5:52:13
  but I don't really know if it's my child or not because I never
• 5:52:16
  got to a chance to see my baby. That's because Decomposition and
• 5:52:23
  things of that nature, right? Right.
• 5:52:25
  God, the judge actually gave Ron the chance to speak to the
• 5:52:31
  court. He declined, of course, of
• 5:52:33
  course, of course and then judge Randy bath.
• 5:52:36
  The court sentenced him to eat consecutive life sentences for
• 5:52:40
  folks who don't understand a natural life sentence in the
• 5:52:43
  u.s. you become eligible for parole after about 30 years.
• 5:52:48
  And so that's the reason why we do things like consecutive life
• 5:52:51
  sentences when We sentence people like around Dominique me,
• 5:52:55
  even if he got parole on every single case, he's minimum amount
• 5:52:59
  of time you have to do in prison.
• 5:53:00
  It's 240 years. And that is just for the eight
• 5:53:05
  murders in Terrebonne. Parish the others didn't receive
• 5:53:08
  a trial because it would have been redundant.
• 5:53:11
  But Ronald Dominique is listed as the murderer for all 23 of
• 5:53:14
  his victims who are David Mitchell Garry pierre-pierre.
• 5:53:18
  Larry Ranson, Oliver Ali, Le Banks Joseph Brown, Bruce
• 5:53:22
  Williams Manuel read Angel Mejia.
• 5:53:25
  Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell Vincent, Kenneth Randolph,
• 5:53:28
  Randolph, jr. Anoka Jones, de trial, Woods
• 5:53:32
  Mary Matthews. we'll burn that we all know ready August
• 5:53:36
  Watkins, Kurt hunting ham Alonzo, Hogan Wayne Smith Krista
• 5:53:40
  Ville, Nicholas, pelegrin and Christopher Satterfield And as
• 5:53:45
  for the rest of the people, in our story Reynolds family wants
• 5:53:48
  nothing to do with him. His sister spoke at no point to
• 5:53:53
  any media outlets at any time, which is why I think it's very
• 5:53:58
  difficult to get a full family like history for him.
• 5:54:03
  Right? You think you said like in the
• 5:54:05
  beginning that like you can find like a lot of his family
• 5:54:08
  members. They probably did not want to be
• 5:54:10
  found or they just did not. Yeah.
• 5:54:15
  I'm pretty sure I could have done like a census and looked up
• 5:54:20
  who lived at the house on baby blue Road in 2004.
• 5:54:25
  But ultimately these people didn't want to be known.
• 5:54:28
  And honestly a lot of times after these cases, people change
• 5:54:32
  their names. And so, why would I go that far
• 5:54:37
  to find and name? The people who have gone out of
• 5:54:41
  their way to try and have some semblance of normalcy?
• 5:54:44
  After their family member did, horrible things?
• 5:54:48
  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 5:54:50
  As for Dennis Thornton and Don Burger on now for a after her
• 5:54:54
  marriage, they were both promoted to detective captains
• 5:54:57
  and their respective cities. Don kept a photo of herself
• 5:55:01
  Dennis and the rest of the task force framed on her desk for
• 5:55:04
  years, The main cities affected by this case like boat, and how
• 5:55:10
  Mama those people went back to living our lives.
• 5:55:14
  This conviction, got very little press even though there is.
• 5:55:19
  I mean, it is exceptional that Don and Dennis talk to a man,
• 5:55:22
  who'd been killing 49 years into confessing absolutely everything
• 5:55:26
  in under 48 hours, right? Is Kris, as for Ronald, he's
• 5:55:32
  currently 58 years old and he is in the general population.
• 5:55:35
  At Louisiana State president Angola where he will be for the
• 5:55:38
  rest of his life, okay. And it's very interesting.
• 5:55:41
  This case reminds me of that like really famous quote from
• 5:55:44
  t.s. Eliot.
• 5:55:46
  You probably know. It's from Holloman, it says like
• 5:55:48
  this is the way the world ends not with a bang but a whimper.
• 5:55:51
  Hey, yes, that's how I feel. This case ended.
• 5:55:55
  Not with like a big dramatic moment but it was just like a
• 5:55:58
  whimper. Yeah, not really tracks for
• 5:56:01
  serial killers. It just went out like if it
• 5:56:03
  petered out like yeah, they're all cowards.
• 5:56:06
  Yep. And that's what I got for you
• 5:56:08
  today. Oh god.
• 5:56:11
  Well, great storytelling. That's all.
• 5:56:19
  That's what you say about your stories.
• 5:56:21
  Okay there's no funny. Things I can't like I mean
• 5:56:26
  obviously it's funny moments but you know, great as always not
• 5:56:32
  super funny. No, no clay.
• 5:56:34
  So he's just what it is. Yeah, is just God, you know, the
• 5:56:43
  one thing that like that they got to me is like they just
• 5:56:45
  searched in at one single area that they thought he was going
• 5:56:48
  to be in like serial killers. They don't stay in one area.
• 5:56:51
  Well, the thing is, um, sometimes he did, you know, He
• 5:57:00
  this is somebody who I think was probably well, versed in serial
• 5:57:04
  killer stuff. Hmm.
• 5:57:06
  He was, he was making certain moves, he was going certain
• 5:57:09
  places. He was even once he moved to a
• 5:57:12
  new town, he still killed within the set and within his town.
• 5:57:17
  Like personally, that's what I think is the worst part?
• 5:57:21
  Is that wrong of me? Staying here Town.
• 5:57:23
  Yeah, I feel like don't kill anybody anywhere near.
• 5:57:29
  Where were you living your home? Yeah, I mean but you would think
• 5:57:34
  that'll make it easier for people to find out who it was
• 5:57:37
  two then. But sometimes it is,
• 5:57:40
  unfortunately, policing is always changing always evolving.
• 5:57:48
  I mean we've talked about cases dating back to the what?
• 5:57:51
  Almost 1,800 my God. Yes.
• 5:57:54
  Madame lalaurie was able to escape.
• 5:57:58
  Pretty easily. She hopped on a boat.
• 5:58:00
  Never came back to America. It's true.
• 5:58:03
  It's true, you know, so I mean now people get extradited from
• 5:58:09
  other countries and they do horrible things.
• 5:58:10
  So you know, things have changed things are better.
• 5:58:13
  Unfortunately, there's like hundreds of thousands of
• 5:58:16
  homicides that has never been solved in America.
• 5:58:21
  It's a lot. So at least, you know, we
• 5:58:24
  celebrate When they get it right.
• 5:58:28
  There you go. Yes, yes, we do.
• 5:58:33
  Okay, well, we had another water Cryptids today for everybody who
• 5:58:40
  likes to order Cryptids. Yay, I actually do like the
• 5:58:44
  water Cryptids, the best kind of mermaids, count, don't they?
• 5:58:46
  Yeah, they do. Yes.
• 5:58:49
  Yes, he do. Not summer mr.
• 5:58:52
  Day. No, this is one that's been
• 5:58:56
  known to be the bane of many, see bearing folks in Vikings of
• 5:59:00
  like one. That's sick and countless ships
• 5:59:04
  and taken many lives. Yeah, you've heard his name
• 5:59:10
  being Cried by a certain God. That it needs to be released.
• 5:59:16
  That's right. We're talking about releasing
• 5:59:19
  the Kraken today. Also, just a side note, the
• 5:59:25
  Kraken is from Norse mythology, not Greek mythology, if anybody
• 5:59:30
  who's seen a clash Clash of the Titans, and it got confused and
• 5:59:37
  saw a giant ice cracking and they keep saying release the
• 5:59:40
  Kraken it. Okay.
• 5:59:41
  So it's not a, it's not a Greek thing, it's a North's thing.
• 5:59:45
  I don't know why. The people who made the damn
• 5:59:47
  movie, they suck. Okay.
• 5:59:49
  They did a lot of stuff that wasn't like me.
• 5:59:52
  How you make a movie called Clash of the Titans.
• 5:59:55
  You don't have Titans in it. You just have one.
• 5:59:57
  Okay? To tighten, I guess they said,
• 5:59:59
  what's the Titan was the cracker?
• 6:00:00
  But the cracking doesn't belong in there is not a damn Titan.
• 6:00:03
  Anyway. Before I go off, About stupid,
• 6:00:10
  Greek mythology, in Norse mythology, which is a stupid.
• 6:00:13
  But you know, whatever, we're going.
• 6:00:16
  We're going to talk about the krakken.
• 6:00:17
  Okay, we'll talk about the Kraken before I go burst a blood
• 6:00:21
  vessel in my eyeball because this pisses me off.
• 6:00:29
  So our first description of the Kraken is from I think it's
• 6:00:37
  early. Early 13th century, maybe 1100s.
• 6:00:42
  It's from an Icelandic. Legendary tale.
• 6:00:46
  And I looked up pronunciations, I cannot pronounce this word,
• 6:00:52
  but I found translations for, what does word means and it's
• 6:00:56
  basically, it's arrows, odd, or arrows point.
• 6:01:03
  And it's basically about some, you know, it's if you ever Like
• 6:01:08
  the Odyssey or Iliad. Yes.
• 6:01:13
  Like it's like a, you know, a legendary tell like that.
• 6:01:15
  Like, you know, how old is he is was on his way home from being
• 6:01:20
  stranded from the Trojan War and shit like that.
• 6:01:25
  So, I tried to look it up. Okay, guys, don't yell at me.
• 6:01:30
  I'm sorry it. When I looked it up and it gave
• 6:01:33
  me two pronunciation, it gave me two different versions of it
• 6:01:36
  which is really weird anyway, like I said it's a hero saga and
• 6:01:45
  in this, in this book or The Saga, they it's not called the
• 6:01:51
  Kraken, but is called a A half golfer. which by its description
• 6:02:01
  doesn't sound very cracking like, but if you if you look it
• 6:02:06
  up, basically, it's supposed to be like a monster bigger than a
• 6:02:12
  whale or a will size monster that Took down ships, it
• 6:02:21
  destroyed ships. I mean there's history of whales
• 6:02:26
  causing Carnage. Oh gosh.
• 6:02:31
  You were those guys there's this one group of.
• 6:02:35
  I don't even call them Pirates but they they hunted whales.
• 6:02:41
  Hmm. And they also nearly killed all
• 6:02:44
  of the turtles own on there, they'll look up Galapagos
• 6:02:48
  Global. So, like, we don't really care
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  about these people. No.
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  So if they absolutely back then these whales, I guess realize
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  they were being hunted and they Straight up started just like
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  ramming the ship. So they are a fairly intelligent
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  species of creature and nice if you attack us.
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  I mean see that that least to me thinking like if Wills did you
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  just attack this one ship that was attacking them or do they
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  attack like a lot of ships at that time.
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  The in the story that I remember Well, never mind.
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  So a pot of orchids attacked a boat in April of 2021.
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  No damn worker suck. Never mind.
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  They make because are technically dolphins.
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  And dolphins are the humans of the ocean, okay?
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  See these talk about dirty. Attacked a yacht.
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  What were y'all doing to the? That's not true.
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  The orcas are dolphins and dolphins are a menace to the
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  ocean. They really, okay.
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  I'm not going to say because whales aren't I think?
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  In that situation the wheels were just fighting back.
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  Okay, that makes sense. The old one like Way Way Back.
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  Yeah. The most recent I got to look
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  into that case with all the 30 orcas attacking my God taking a
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  yacht. Okay here we go.
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  I think because I think it was the The ship was called the
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  Essex and that inspired Moby Dick.
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  That one is that that that ship was attacked by just a whale by
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  multiple Wheels multiple Hills, but they were hunting them.
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  Okay. Well, see the Essex was an
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  American wheeler from Nantucket Massachusetts, lost in 1799 and
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  1820. While at Sea in the South
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  Pacific ocean under the command of Captain George Pollard, she
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  Attacked and sunk by a sperm whale.
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  Yep, I remember this story because there's a really funny
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  animation on YouTube about it. I'm just like, so it's fairly
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  plausible that I mean a book was based off of that attack.
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  So there could be other lure based off of stuff like that.
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  Yeah. Like because I remember like a
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  couple only a couple people survived and then they also ate
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  people. It was a crazy story.
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  Yeah. But there's definitely like real
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  history to support the concept of what my question is.
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  Why would you think a whale? Because the Kraken has
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  tentacles? Okay.
• 6:05:30
  Yes, but this thing I apparently behalf gopher It was a guess
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  who's either the size of the wheel, or either way, it had
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  like, multi arms as well multiple arms.
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  So that's probably why it's referred like it's thought of as
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  being like an early depiction of a crack into just because of her
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  know that the most people did use.
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  Did you hear that? Some of the reports okay to what
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  that's a mean. And a meme says that when whales
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  mate oh no, OK. Yes.
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  I've seen them. Okay.
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  And that the thing that people were reporting was a monster.
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  A dork. The whales.
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  Penis. Yeah, the Dork.
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  Yes, the shadow of it looks a lot like Nessie.
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  That's all I'm saying. Okay.
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  Well first of all what would a will be doing in Loch Ness?
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  Okay, there have been other reports of creatures that look a
• 6:06:47
  lot like nasty and I'm saying that whales could be the culprit
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  I guess. Yeah, I saw that the other day I
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  was like, oh my God, stop guys, stop.
• 6:06:59
  I mean, but it's totally plausible.
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  I mean, do we ever know what the real thing was for Sirens?
• 6:07:05
  Like what was really Lauren those people to the death?
• 6:07:08
  I heard that is because old-timey Sailors, tried to have
• 6:07:11
  sex with dolphins, but I don't know if that's real or not
• 6:07:13
  Dolphins manatees, you know, manatees the sweetest baby.
• 6:07:19
  So the ocean, they look like mermaids, right?
• 6:07:21
  If people confuse me issues are mermaids.
• 6:07:23
  They look like Walruses without the test, maybe I'm so offended.
• 6:07:31
  They're like, one of my favorite animals and all I want to do is
• 6:07:35
  go down to the manatee. Preserve in Florida and feed
• 6:07:38
  them. They look like kill sleep
• 6:07:41
  potatoes. Yeah.
• 6:07:42
  Could you try and have sex with them people?
• 6:07:45
  I mean, look man. Things with penises.
• 6:07:49
  They like to stick it into whatever they can.
• 6:07:51
  I don't know. Whatever.
• 6:07:53
  Oh, that's right. Anyway, let's continue.
• 6:07:58
  Yes. Poor baby manatees.
• 6:08:05
  So, anyone unaware of what this B's looks like, the Kraken is
• 6:08:11
  described as a multi-armed sea monster larger did a whale.
• 6:08:17
  Now, what does, what the multi-armed description when
• 6:08:20
  would think? Oh, so it's just like an octopus
• 6:08:22
  or squid and you know, that's what I thought it was.
• 6:08:25
  Like, the from the old stories, like a giant squid cause like
• 6:08:28
  some of those squids that are mad old are Like 20, 30 40 feet,
• 6:08:33
  they're huge and super scary. You have to promise, they mostly
• 6:08:36
  hang out in the bottom of the ocean.
• 6:08:38
  Not like up top where the people are, right?
• 6:08:41
  It's like scary you guys would be correct because that's
• 6:08:45
  exactly what the crack. It looks like.
• 6:08:49
  It looks like a giant freaking squid.
• 6:08:52
  Put up top. Yeah so I think I've seen like
• 6:08:59
  people call a leviathan as well as leviathans over like a snake
• 6:09:02
  like I think. Yeah I was gonna say that name
• 6:09:05
  has a lot of history to it. Yeah.
• 6:09:08
  So this back, biblical references, and all sorts it is
• 6:09:12
  a sea serpent from the Bible? Yes, breathe fire which makes it
• 6:09:17
  cooler than a snake. Okay, so he looks like a giant
• 6:09:25
  squid my question like okay, so do we have any more?
• 6:09:33
  Recent absolutely formation about a crack in.
• 6:09:38
  Oh yeah versus great. It's okay Norse.
• 6:09:42
  Thank you very much or Icelandic.
• 6:09:47
  It's okay mythology. Is that methodology?
• 6:09:53
  Of course, of course, of course we do.
• 6:09:57
  Okay. So that okay, um, you know,
• 6:10:01
  cracking was also, if anybody has seen like an old-timey, like
• 6:10:05
  Sailors map, you'd seen like a map of the world, you see in the
• 6:10:09
  ocean that they had were monsters in the ocean and they
• 6:10:13
  either like water dragons or giant snakes or even giant
• 6:10:19
  squids, and the Kraken was On, you know, put on the maps either
• 6:10:23
  to like as a warning of an unknown area, like no one's like
• 6:10:29
  really been there. So we don't know what the hell
• 6:10:31
  you're going to see there, so maybe there's something big
• 6:10:36
  monstrous there or or, I mean, the ocean is terrifying.
• 6:10:43
  Yeah, ocean is really, it's really, really, really big.
• 6:10:46
  And we haven't even searched all of it yet so who knows?
• 6:10:53
  And also seeing like a kraken or like a sea monster, or your map.
• 6:10:57
  Probably just means like maybe they saw something in that area
• 6:11:00
  and you're just worrying. You hate.
• 6:11:02
  There's something strange out here.
• 6:11:04
  So don't go as this, like, it was, it was the ways of the old
• 6:11:07
  days. Yes, yes, we were over here,
• 6:11:11
  Mark, and cop on the highway and there going, oh, maybe it's the
• 6:11:17
  Kraken. I don't know.
• 6:11:18
  You might want to avoid it what he's coordination.
• 6:11:26
  Oh my God. Absolutely like listen, we're
• 6:11:32
  just letting you know. Okay, so back in once a back in
• 6:11:42
  but it's back in. 1735 the scientist named Carl Linnaeus.
• 6:11:51
  First catalog, a no one's animal species in his book is called a
• 6:11:56
  system of natural. Not sure.
• 6:11:58
  A so Naturals system were system, natural, whatever.
• 6:12:04
  Okay, The cracking stories. They were so popular that he
• 6:12:11
  entered the crack it into this book for like you know you know
• 6:12:16
  all these actual living organisms and stuff like that as
• 6:12:21
  a separate pot. Okay.
• 6:12:25
  But you know many people were just like okay well you you
• 6:12:30
  could do this and put this in your book but we're we still
• 6:12:32
  think this thing is fake. Just so you know just like you
• 6:12:36
  know, no, you can add this to their but, you know, No, no.
• 6:12:39
  He's like this is a real cephalopod.
• 6:12:42
  And these people went, what is wrong with you?
• 6:12:45
  Science, we are doing science. Yes, it was in our face.
• 6:12:56
  We're over here, doing science. And you are adding a cephalopod
• 6:13:00
  that no one's ever seen. They let him do it.
• 6:13:06
  So a yeah yeah. So and 1853 their this is this
• 6:13:17
  is like I think the most recent thing you will hear about a
• 6:13:20
  kraken unless somebody else comes up with some other
• 6:13:23
  cracking news, a giant cephalopod was found stranded on
• 6:13:30
  a Danish Beach. Norwegian journalist jump.
• 6:13:37
  I cannot pronounce names. I'm sorry guys.
• 6:13:40
  Japan has steam, strop, he recovered animals beak, and used
• 6:13:46
  it to scientifically described a giant squid, and I think I had
• 6:13:53
  actually have a picture of it. I'ma send that into the chat,
• 6:13:57
  you could look at it. It's just what the thing look
• 6:13:59
  like. I mean it doesn't look that big.
• 6:14:02
  I'll post it in a Discord for people who want to see it.
• 6:14:04
  Yeah, yeah. I'll just send it to you first
• 6:14:09
  and then you check it out. But it looks like it doesn't
• 6:14:11
  look like it would be a giant squid.
• 6:14:15
  It just looks like it would be like, I don't know, a bigger
• 6:14:18
  size squid if that makes any sense to you, So you think it
• 6:14:27
  was a regular squid? Let's hang it.
• 6:14:29
  Yeah, it looks like it's a regular test win.
• 6:14:32
  Is there a difference? And you might not know this, but
• 6:14:35
  is there a difference between a regular squid and a giant squid
• 6:14:39
  in terms of There, you know, genus species or whatever
• 6:14:43
  because is it the difference between the two of them just
• 6:14:47
  time. Like just like lobsters, if you
• 6:14:51
  just lobsters never stop growing.
• 6:14:54
  If you allow them to live and don't eat them, they just become
• 6:14:57
  bigger. Brittany till they become old
• 6:15:00
  old men lobsters. Maybe, um, also just a side
• 6:15:08
  note. I'm sorry, guys, I gotta go up
• 6:15:10
  and change it again. Did you know that basically,
• 6:15:13
  like everything evolves into grabs eventually?
• 6:15:18
  Okay. Okay.
• 6:15:20
  Okay, it's true. It's, I saw YouTube video about
• 6:15:23
  it, it just makes so much sense, okay, but save that for, yes.
• 6:15:34
  I know exactly what you're talking about because I'm pretty
• 6:15:37
  sure I watched it to that eventually.
• 6:15:39
  We all become crap. Everything becomes crabs after a
• 6:15:42
  while he will crab people. Everyone can't wait until I get
• 6:15:47
  Pinchers. I'm like, oh yeah.
• 6:16:00
  We'll post a picture of it. Yeah.
• 6:16:02
  What's up, its courts? Everybody can see it.
• 6:16:07
  But we can talk about Carson ization on the on patreon.
• 6:16:11
  Oh my God, I'll have to do that. Do W.
• 6:16:14
  Next thing W next one after this one.
• 6:16:18
  The next one. All right.
• 6:16:20
  Well um but yeah. Is this people people were like
• 6:16:28
  once they found this giant squid?
• 6:16:30
  They're like, is this the crack in every way is talking about.
• 6:16:33
  It's just a freaking squid. That's just big.
• 6:16:36
  I'm just looking at it. I'm just like this.
• 6:16:38
  Can't be it just can't be alone because it the Kraken it's
• 6:16:42
  supposed to be like a bigger than a whale, okay?
• 6:16:46
  And this thing it's not fair to well at all um and like crackers
• 6:16:53
  supposed to fight Wells and fellow rapper.
• 6:16:55
  Around the tentacles. You know how you seen pictures
• 6:16:57
  you know you know I mean this is exactly how Giant squids and
• 6:17:05
  actual Wheels fight in the real OSHA.
• 6:17:08
  But apparently there have been, I guess, 60 feet long giant
• 6:17:16
  squids found and I'm just like, well, I'm down there.
• 6:17:19
  Yeah, I'm just like, okay well there you go.
• 6:17:21
  That's that can't be. That could be your giant squid.
• 6:17:26
  You're talking of you're thinking of saying they're like
• 6:17:32
  terrifyingly large. Yeah there are also it's funny
• 6:17:37
  because they're also like little other smaller organisms in the
• 6:17:41
  see that look like they may be a crack at.
• 6:17:47
  Yeah I got I got idea for you. Are you ready?
• 6:17:51
  Okay. What if the Krakens And in the
• 6:17:54
  crabs. Oh my God.
• 6:17:56
  And that's why we don't see them anymore.
• 6:17:58
  I mean, would he be trying Crimson dude have to be right?
• 6:18:02
  I don't understand. Listen, I don't understand
• 6:18:06
  Evolution. It has its Art School scuttling
• 6:18:12
  around on the bottom of the sea and giant crabs.
• 6:18:15
  Massive friggin crab just absolutely huge.
• 6:18:21
  I can see that I can God, but no.
• 6:18:24
  No, no, no, they'll stay a giant still stay a giant squid because
• 6:18:32
  Krakens are the Pinnacle and oh, crabs are like the Pinnacle
• 6:18:37
  Evolution like Krakens. I swear to you the here.
• 6:18:42
  What's going to take over? Everybody is going to be a giant
• 6:18:47
  squid or a giant crap. When the time comes, it may not
• 6:18:51
  either way. I just want to be left alone.
• 6:18:55
  Yeah I feel that we can be alone.
• 6:19:00
  I feel that very much. Um see anything else I got for a
• 6:19:05
  kraken know, and it's weird because there's some that just
• 6:19:08
  grow up to 40 45 feet in and when he's found the 60-foot
• 6:19:12
  Wonder like, oh shit, this is there a crack in it?
• 6:19:16
  This is our cracking we're looking for.
• 6:19:19
  Um, That's about it. I think I found some cute
• 6:19:24
  pictures of Krakens and like some of them are like Is the
• 6:19:29
  size of an island. And like it's like an iceberg,
• 6:19:35
  okay? You got the island on top, but
• 6:19:37
  underneath it's actually the shell of a kraken.
• 6:19:40
  So it's kind of like a mollusk type of cephalopod or, yeah, you
• 6:19:45
  know, it's interesting and that about wraps up today's episode.
• 6:19:54
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