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Why Alex Murdaugh's murder conviction was overturned · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Picture the heavy, almost suffocatingly humid air of a South
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  Speaker 1: Carolina court room. You can feel the tension just radiating
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  Speaker 1: off the wood paneled walls.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, the atmosphere in those rooms is thick, right,
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  Speaker 2: And there's.
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  Speaker 1: This crushing, inescapable weight of a double murder conviction hanging
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  Speaker 1: over the room. A prominent former lawyer, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: sign of this local legal dynasty, has just been condemned
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  Speaker 1: for the unimaginable, the.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one murders of his own wife Maggie and
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  Speaker 2: his son Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. The gavel falls, and the story is just well,
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  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that gavel strike is supposed to function
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  Speaker 2: as the ultimate period at the end of a very long,
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  Speaker 2: very dark sentence. It represents absolute finality, justice served right
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  Speaker 2: under the intense glare of the public eye.
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  Speaker 1: But then imagine the sudden, shocking crack of a higher
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  Speaker 1: court's gavel overturning it all, just tearing up that final sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Today we are taking you on a deep dive into
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  Speaker 1: an absolute bombshell.
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  Speaker 2: The reversal of Alex Murdo's murder conviction.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we aren't just looking at the headlines you
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  Speaker 1: might have, you know, scrolled past online. We are going
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  Speaker 1: straight into an exclusive inside access interview with his defense attorney,
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  Speaker 1: Dick Harputlian.
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  Speaker 2: Which was captured right after this staggering ruling came down.
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  Speaker 2: It's a moment that completely rewired one of the most
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  Speaker 2: high profile legal sagas of the last decade.
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  Speaker 1: It really did.
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  Speaker 2: When a conviction of this magnitude gets tossed out by
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  Speaker 2: the South Carolina Supreme Court, it forces us to look
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  Speaker 2: behind the curtain, you know, to question the actual mechanics
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  Speaker 2: of how a verdict is reached.
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  Speaker 1: So our mission for you today is to reconstruct exactly
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  Speaker 1: how this happened. We're going to unpack the bizarre misconduct
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  Speaker 1: that broke this case wide open. We will dissect the
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  Speaker 1: crumbling physical evidence, and we'll explore the intense, high stakes
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  Speaker 1: legal chess match of the upcoming second trial.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be wild.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because the reason for this reversal
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  Speaker 1: wasn't well, it wasn't what you might expect from watching
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  Speaker 1: courtroom dramas.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. I mean, when we hear about
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  Speaker 2: overturned convictions, are minds immediately go to the classic true
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  Speaker 2: crime tropes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like a surprise witness coming out of the.
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  Speaker 2: Woodwork exactly, or a new undeniable DNA match, some hidden
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  Speaker 2: forensic clue that definitively exonerates the defendant.
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  Speaker 1: But there was no secret DNA here. It was an
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  Speaker 1: inside job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a completely compromised system from within the core of
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  Speaker 2: the South Carolina Supreme Court's ruling. This twenty seven page
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  Speaker 2: ruling centered entirely on the actions of the court clerk
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  Speaker 2: in the original trial.
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  Speaker 1: A woman named Becky Hill, right.
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  Speaker 2: And the details of her confession outline an illegal and
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  Speaker 2: improper influence over the very people trusted to decide murdos
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  Speaker 2: fate the jury.
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  Speaker 1: And she didn't just accidentally slip up in the hallway either.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about a systemic, deliberate campaign of interference here.
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  Speaker 2: It's staggering. The defense laid out how the clerk was
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  Speaker 2: lying under oath. She was taking sealed, highly sensitive crime
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  Speaker 2: scene photos and showing.
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  Speaker 1: Them to reporters, which is insane on its own.
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  Speaker 2: It is, but most devastatingly, she was relentlessly low the jury.
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  Speaker 2: To understand the gravity of that, you really have to
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  Speaker 2: look at the psychology of a jury.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because they're totally isolated.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, Jurors are pulled out of their normal lives, placed
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  Speaker 2: in this intimidating environment, and instructed on complex law. The
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  Speaker 2: clique of court is basically their shepherd.
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  Speaker 1: She tells them when to stand, when to sit, when
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  Speaker 1: to eat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when they view her as an extension of the judge.
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  Speaker 2: So when that person is whispering in their ears telling
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  Speaker 2: them not to believe Alex Murdau when he testifies.
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  Speaker 1: Actively pushing them to find him guilty, right.
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  Speaker 2: And even trying to remove jurors who expressed out, it
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  Speaker 2: is incredibly coercive.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you hear that and you just have to
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  Speaker 1: stop and ask what the motive could possibly be. Why
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  Speaker 1: does a court clerk risk her career, her freedom, and
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  Speaker 1: the integrity of a massive double murder trial.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it all comes down to a motive that is
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  Speaker 2: just remarkably modern. She was writing a book, a book. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to monetize the tragedy. She knew very calculatingly
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  Speaker 2: that a guilty verdict would sell more copies. Wow, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: a convicted murderer makes for a better, more lucrative ending
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  Speaker 2: to a true crime book than a messy mistrial. You know,
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  Speaker 2: or a confusing a quittle.
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  Speaker 1: That is just It's like a referee not just betting
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  Speaker 1: his life savings on the Super Bowl that he's officiating,
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  Speaker 1: but actively running onto the field and tackling the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great analogy.
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  Speaker 1: You are supposed to be the neutral guardian of the game.
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  Speaker 1: If you are listening to this, you might be wondering
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  Speaker 1: how a grueling, emotionally draining six week trial resulted in
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  Speaker 1: a verdict in just three hours, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is incredibly fast for a trial of that magnitude.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and according to Harpootle, and this completely explains it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, from the defense's perspective, this jury was essentially fixed.
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  Speaker 2: The sixth Amendment guarantees the right to a fair trial
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  Speaker 2: based solely on the facts presented in open court. Just
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  Speaker 2: the facts exactly. If you have an authority figure lobbying
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  Speaker 2: the jury at every smoke break and lunch hour, you
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  Speaker 2: don't have a deliberation. You have a guided conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: So the conviction is tossed. The slate is white clean.
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  Speaker 1: But that logically forces us to pivot to the consequences here, right,
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  Speaker 1: the fallout If the jury was compromised by the clerk,
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean? For the actual evidence the state presented.
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  Speaker 1: Because book deal or no book deal, there was a
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  Speaker 1: six week trial.
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  Speaker 2: There was mountains of evidence, exactly, and this is where
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court's ruling becomes this fascinating roadmap for the
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  Speaker 2: second trial. As Harputlin pointed out, the court reversed the
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  Speaker 2: conviction solely based on Becky Hill's conduct.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't even need to look at the other stuff reht.
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  Speaker 2: They explicitly stated they didn't legally need to find additional
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  Speaker 2: grounds to toss the verdict, but they couldn't resist leaving
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  Speaker 2: a breadcrumb trail for the defense.
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  Speaker 1: Ah. The famous footnote embedded in this long explanation about
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  Speaker 1: the various evidentiary issues is a massive warning to the
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  Speaker 1: next trial judge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Supreme Court essentially cautioned that the state went
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  Speaker 2: way too far with the financial crimes testimony. Usually in
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  Speaker 2: a court of law, you cannot introduce evid that someone
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  Speaker 2: is a bad person or a thief just to prove.
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  Speaker 1: They are a murderer, right, that's character assassinations exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's barred by what's known as rule four H four B.
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  Speaker 1: But the state got it admitted in the first trial.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, they did Yeah, by arguing this very specific loophole,
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  Speaker 2: they claim the financial crimes provided the motive.
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  Speaker 1: Because his world was crashing down.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The prosecution's theory was that Murda's decades of stealing
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  Speaker 2: millions from clients were about to be exposed, so to
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  Speaker 2: buy time and generate sympathy, he slaughtered his wife and son.
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  Speaker 1: And the judge bought that theory and just let all
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  Speaker 1: the financial fraud evidence in. Yep. So the Supreme Court's
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  Speaker 1: footnote is essentially telling the next judge, don't buy that
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  Speaker 1: excuse so easily next time. Okay, But I have to
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  Speaker 1: push back here, speaking for everyone listening who followed this
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  Speaker 1: trial excessively. Murda admitted to lying.
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  Speaker 2: He did.
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  Speaker 1: He admitted to the police that he lied about being
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  Speaker 1: at the dog kennels the night his wife and son
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  Speaker 1: were slaughtered. He blamed his lies on paranoia from taking.
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  Speaker 2: Oxycodone, right, the drug addiction defense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, isn't a confessed liar, a disbarred lawyer, and
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  Speaker 1: an admitted financial fraudster just a hop, skip and a
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  Speaker 1: jump away from being a family annihilator?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is the most natural leap in human
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  Speaker 2: psychology to make you see a bad person doing bad things,
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  Speaker 2: and you just assume they are capable of the ultimate
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  Speaker 2: bad thing. But Harpoutlan, drawing on his background trying fifteen
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  Speaker 2: death penalty cases, methodically breaks down why that is a
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  Speaker 2: fatal flaw in a court of law. How so lying
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  Speaker 2: to the police because you feel like a suspect, or
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  Speaker 2: because you have pills in your pocket and you're deeply paranoid,
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  Speaker 2: that does not prove murder beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Being a liar doesn't automatically pull the trigger exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where the defense focuses all their energy
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  Speaker 2: for round two, the stunning, glaring lack of forensic ties.
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  Speaker 2: Harpoutlin points out, there were no fingerprints connecting him to
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  Speaker 2: the weapons, none, There was no DNA, there was no video,
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  Speaker 2: There was no confession to the murders.
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  Speaker 1: So if this whole case rested on showing what a terrible,
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  Speaker 1: fraudulent person he was, yeah, just to distract the jury
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  Speaker 1: from the lack of physical evidence. How does the defense
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  Speaker 1: counter that in the sequel? I mean, they can't just
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  Speaker 1: erase the fact that he stole millions, No.
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  Speaker 2: They can't. So they counter it with a brilliant, almost
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  Speaker 2: paradoxical legal strategy murder is willing to plead guilty to
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  Speaker 2: the financial crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really, he is just going to preemptively admit to
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  Speaker 1: the massive financial fraud.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he knows he is never getting out of
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  Speaker 2: jail anyway. He will spend the rest of his life
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  Speaker 2: in prison for stealing that money, regardless of the murder
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  Speaker 2: trial out come. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I see.
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  Speaker 2: By pleading guilty, he takes all the heat off those
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  Speaker 2: charges in the murder trial. If the state tries to
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  Speaker 2: bring up his thefts to prove motive, the defense can
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  Speaker 2: turn to the jury and say, yes, he stole the money,
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  Speaker 2: he admitted it, and he is already serving a life
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  Speaker 2: sentence for it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. It completely neutralizes the state's ability to use his
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  Speaker 1: financial misdeeds as a smoke screen for murder. It forces
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  Speaker 1: the new jury to look only at the physical evidence
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  Speaker 1: of the killings.
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  Speaker 2: Or more accurately, the utter lack thereof right.
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  Speaker 1: Which logically brings us to the blood spatter. Because the
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  Speaker 1: state didn't just have financial crimes, they leaked to the
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  Speaker 1: entire world that they had hard physical proof, right.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the moment that truly exposes the fragility
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  Speaker 2: of the state's physical case. Let's look at the mechanics
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  Speaker 2: of why this evidence was so critical.
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  Speaker 1: Let me set the scene for you. It's late twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, around Thanksgiving. The defense team is frantically preparing
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  Speaker 1: for the biggest trial of their lives, which is less
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  Speaker 1: than ninety days away. The clock is ticking yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: outside their office, the media, the true crime bloggers, the
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  Speaker 1: national news, everyone is buzzing with this devastating leak. Reports
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  Speaker 1: are everywhere that Alex Murdaw's T shirt from the night
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  Speaker 1: of the murders had high velocity blood spatter on.
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  Speaker 2: It, which is huge for context. High velocity blood spatter
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  Speaker 2: is that fine mist of blood that lands on a
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  Speaker 2: shooter and they fire a weapon at very close.
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  Speaker 1: Range, basically the smoking gun.
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  Speaker 2: It is the holy grail of forensic evidence for section.
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  Speaker 2: The physics of it are undeniable. If he has their
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  Speaker 2: blood misted on his shirt, he pulled the trigger. There
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  Speaker 2: is just no innocent explanation for being covered in a
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  Speaker 2: high velocity mist of the victim's blood.
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  Speaker 1: So the defense is staring down the barrel of this
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  Speaker 1: supposedly undeniable physical evidence. But then enter Holly Miller. She
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  Speaker 1: is a defense paralegal tasked with digging through millions, literally
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  Speaker 1: millions of pages of discovery handed over by the state.
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  Speaker 2: The sheer volume of data in a modern trial is paralyzing.
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  Speaker 2: Holly Miller wasn't just looking for a needle in a haystack.
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  Speaker 2: She was looking through a million receipts from a thousand
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  Speaker 2: different grocery stores trying to find one specific barcode.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: And the state was likely banking on the fact that
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  Speaker 2: human eyes would just glaze over before the ninety day
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  Speaker 2: clock ran out.
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  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. She spots a witness
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  Speaker 1: name on a file that she has never seen before.
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  Speaker 1: She opens this obscure electronic file and inside is a
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  Speaker 1: hidden report from sled.
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  Speaker 2: Date Law Enforcement Division.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's an official forensic lab report on that exact
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  Speaker 1: T shirt and the conclusion the spatter on the shirt
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  Speaker 1: was not human blood.
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  Speaker 2: It was a devastating discovery for the prosecution. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this official lab report directly contradicted the entire narrative the
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  Speaker 2: state had been leaking to the public for months and
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  Speaker 2: their own expert exactly. It directly contradicted the expert from
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  Speaker 2: Oklahoma that the state had lined up who was totally
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  Speaker 2: prepared to testify that the spatter was indeed human blood
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  Speaker 2: consistent with a shotgun blast.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, if Holly found a state sanctioned report saying it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't human blood, that means the prosecution had this exonerating
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  Speaker 1: evidence the entire time they were leaking the bloody shirt
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  Speaker 1: narrative to the press. That borders on prosecutorial misconduct. How
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  Speaker 1: did the state justify that when the defense finally cornered
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  Speaker 1: them and demanded to examine the shirt themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the state suddenly claimed the shirt had been destroyed
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  Speaker 2: during their testing.
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  Speaker 1: Destroyed, just accidentally ruined days before the trial of the century.
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  Speaker 2: Convenient trait.
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  Speaker 1: If you're listening to this and thinking evidence doesn't just
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  Speaker 1: accidentally get destroyed when it's the centerpiece of a double
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  Speaker 1: murder case, well you're having the exact same thought the
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  Speaker 1: defense team did.
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  Speaker 2: And that expert from Oklahoma who is going to testify
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  Speaker 2: about the human blood spatter, he completely evaporated.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing how quickly an expert loses their calendar availability
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  Speaker 1: when the defense pulls out a lab report proving them wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Poof God, the entire centerpiece of their physical evidence just
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  Speaker 2: vanished into thin air. Harputian believes this vanishing shirt is
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  Speaker 2: the specific mechanism that forced the state to lean so
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  Speaker 2: heavily on the financial crimes and the first.
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  Speaker 1: Trial because they had nothing else.
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  Speaker 2: Right, without the blood spatter, they had nothing to connect
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  Speaker 2: him forensically, no eyewitnesses, no tape, just a guy who
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  Speaker 2: demonstrably lied about his whereabouts.
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  Speaker 1: So the state has lost their physical evidence and the
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  Speaker 1: defense has neutralized the financial motive by pleading guilty to
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  Speaker 1: those crimes. But none of that legal maneuvering matters if
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  Speaker 1: you can't find twelve people who haven't already made up their.
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  Speaker 2: Minds, which is almost impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Now, exactly how do you even see a jury in
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  Speaker 1: a case this viral?
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  Speaker 2: That is the logistical nightmare that will define the second trial.
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  Speaker 2: The first step is getting a new judge appointed to
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  Speaker 2: oversee everything. Once that happens, Harputlin plans to file pre
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  Speaker 2: trial motions almost immediately to change the venue.
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  Speaker 1: They have to move it out of Callton County, right
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  Speaker 1: where the first try was a literal circus.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, But they can't just moot it anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, why not? Can't they just take it to a massive,
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  Speaker 1: bustling city like Charleston to find people who haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: of the local legal dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: No, the law entitles them to a jury pool from
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  Speaker 2: a demographically similar area. Harputlian notes, they need a county
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  Speaker 2: that matches Coulton's makeup, which is roughly thirty five percent
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  Speaker 2: African American and primarily rural.
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  Speaker 1: Why does that specific demographic matter so much to the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it comes down to rural versus urban jury psychology.
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  Speaker 2: In a rural, historically entrenched county, a dynastic family like
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  Speaker 2: the Murdaws carries an immense amount of historical baggage.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Some people revere them, while some people deeply resent their
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  Speaker 2: generational wealth and power. You need a jury pool that
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  Speaker 2: understands the cultural context of the Low Country but isn't
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  Speaker 2: personally infected by decades of local gossip.
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  Speaker 1: Finding a county that meets that demographic criteria where the
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  Speaker 1: jury pool hasn't also been saturated by the national media
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  Speaker 1: coverage that is going to be incredibly difficult, very.
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  Speaker 2: Which makes jury selection the only battle that actually matters here.
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  Speaker 2: That's why Herputlina is demanding attorney conducted of war.
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  Speaker 1: Dyer explain the psychology behind that. Because normally the judge
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  Speaker 1: just asks the questions.
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  Speaker 2: Right in South Carolina, typically only the judge questions the
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  Speaker 2: perspective jurors. A judge in a black robe sits high
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  Speaker 2: on a bench and asks a room of citizens, can
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  Speaker 2: you be fair and impartial?
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  Speaker 1: And human nature dictates that everyone politely nods and says, yes,
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  Speaker 1: your honor exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody wants to stand up in front of a judge
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  Speaker 2: and admit they are bias.
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  Speaker 1: No way.
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  Speaker 2: So attorney conducted war Dyer changes the entire psychological dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: It allows the lawyers themselves to deeply interrogate the potential jurors.
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  Speaker 2: It's usually reserved for death penalty cases.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, so it's much more intense.
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  Speaker 2: Very An attorney won't just ask if you can be fair?
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  Speaker 2: They will ask what podcasts you listen to, what new
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  Speaker 2: stations you watch? What you posted on Facebook three years ago?
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Given the unprecedented taint on this case from the clerk's
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  Speaker 2: tampering and the media circus, the defense will fight tooth
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  Speaker 2: and nail for the right to ask these specific piercing
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  Speaker 2: questions to ensure they don't get another compromise jury.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's say they miraculously get that perfect impartial jury.
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  Speaker 1: There are still massive wild cards waiting to be played.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest one will Alex Murdaud take the stand and
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  Speaker 1: testify again?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, taking the stand is the ultimate liability. He is
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  Speaker 2: a convicted felon and an admitted liar when he takes
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  Speaker 2: the stand, and he opens himself up to grueling cross examination.
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  Speaker 1: But he is also a disbarred lawyer exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Harputlien made it very clear that this decision rests entirely
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  Speaker 2: with Murda. The defense team can advise him against it,
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  Speaker 2: but Murda understands the legal mechanisms better than a typical client.
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  Speaker 1: He could literally decide the morning of the trial whether
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  Speaker 1: he wants to face the prosecution again.
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  Speaker 2: He could.
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  Speaker 1: The suspense of that alone is intense. But there is
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  Speaker 1: an even bigger wild card that Harputlan dropped. The defense
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  Speaker 1: claims they have received new information, concrete information, pointing to
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  Speaker 1: alternate suspects for the murders of Maggie and Paul, and.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: This is where the reversal of the conviction fundamentally changes
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: the power dynamic of the entire case. Before the defense
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: was merely playing defense.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Right, they were reacting to the state's evidence and trying
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to poke holes in it.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But now that the conviction is overturned and the
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: legal process has officially restarted, the defense regains subpoena.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Power, so they can go on the offensive. What does
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: subpoena power actually let them do in this context?
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: It allows them to legally force third parties to hand
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: over data. They can compel foam companies to hand over
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: cellular records and tower pings that the state might have ignored.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: They can dig up their own evidence exactly.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: They can compel reluctant witnesses to sit for depositions under oath.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: They can launch a full, legally backed investigation into these alternate.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Theories, something they didn't have the time or the jurisdical
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: authority to fully execute the first time around. When they're
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: racing against that ninety day clock, right, the hunter becomes
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the hunted. It completely flips the script on the prosecution
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and the.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: State is securely locked into a very uncomfortable position. Right now,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the prosecution's witnesses have already testified under oath on the
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: record in the first trial.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's huge. The defense possesses the transcripts of exactly
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: what they said.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if any state witness tries to change their story
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: or adapt their testimony to counter the new defense strategy.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Harputlin can use those first trial transcripts to impeach them
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: in front of the new jury in immediately.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: He can basically hold their own words hostage.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: The state's playbook is wide open for the world to read,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: while the defense is holding their new alternate suspect cards
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: completely hidden.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: It is going to be an unbelievable legal battle to
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: watch unfold. To look back at the journey of this
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: deep dive, we started with a high profile, seemingly ironclad
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: conviction that everyone assumed was the final chapter.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But when you pull back the layers of this case,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you find a verdict undone by the greed of a
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: court clerk looking for a book deal.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you find a prosecution that was forced to pivot
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to financial crimes because their physical evidence that infamous bloody
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: shirt miraculously vanished when a paralegal found a hidden report
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: proving it was useless.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: It's wild and now you have a defense team armed
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: with renewed subpoena power, a neutralized financial narrative, and a
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: mandate to find a truly impartial jury in a world
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: obsessed with the case.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: If you connect this to the bigger picture, it serves
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: as a stark, almost terrifying reminder of the fridge of
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the justice system.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: It really does. We place so much inherent faith in
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the structure. You know. We trust the judge, we trust
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the jury, we trust the forensic evidence. But this specific
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: case proves that the actions of one unseen person whispering
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in the background of a jury room can completely derail
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the search for the truth. It reminds us that justice
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: is only as blind as the people administering it on
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: any given Tuesday.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Which leaves you with one final unsettling thought to carry
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: with you as we wrap this up. In an era
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: where true crime isn't just evening news but a massive,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: multi billion dollar entertainment industry, did the public's insatiable hunger
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: for this story inadvertently destroy the justice we were all
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: watching to see served?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: That's a chilling thought.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: It was that very hunger, that relentless demand for a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: bestseller and a shocking true crime ending, that motivated a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: court clerk to tamper with the jury in the first place.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: You have to wonder as you kickture that heavy, humid
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: courtroom and hear the final crack of the gavel. Are
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: we just the audience or did our man for entertainment
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: makes a part of the crime