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The Kenny Report | 21 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: I hope you've had a happy East. Thanks for joining
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  Speaker 3: me for another week here on the Kenny Report. Tonight
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  Speaker 3: the final run home in the election campaign, as the
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  Speaker 3: labor vote consolidates and the coalition struggles.
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  Speaker 1: To close the deal with voters.
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  Speaker 3: Is the nation even paying proper attention to this contest?
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  Speaker 3: And could it all change when they do tune in?
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  Speaker 3: What about the minor parties? One of Clive Palmer's trumpet
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  Speaker 3: of patriots candidates quits and calls out the preference shenanigans
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  Speaker 3: of that outfit, the pandemic fallout too. I'll show you
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  Speaker 3: how you didn't need hindsight to see the outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: Curfew overreach in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: All that, plus some polling analysis from John Black, the
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  Speaker 3: gender wars in the UK and plenty more including Gematon Uni,
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  Speaker 3: Caroline de Russo, Sophiel's Worth, Alexantik and plenty more.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Here. We are on a public holiday Easter Monday, with
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  Speaker 3: most of the country on holidays, many still at the
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  Speaker 3: beach or camping, of course, or driving back. Much of
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  Speaker 3: the country is going to remain on holiday all this
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  Speaker 3: week because it's still school holidays in most states, and
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  Speaker 3: Friday is Anzac Day at another public holiday. So an
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  Speaker 3: election campaign that's really struggled to capture the attention of
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  Speaker 3: the nation will struggle this week too. And early voting
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  Speaker 3: starts tomorrow. Yeah, hundreds of thousands of people will start
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  Speaker 3: voting from tomorrow, and election day itself, of course, is
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  Speaker 3: only twelve days away Australia.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to focus.
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  Speaker 3: The polls are not much of a guide at the moment,
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  Speaker 3: showing primary voting levels similar to the last election, with
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  Speaker 3: Labor ticking up one point in the latest News poll,
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  Speaker 3: a movement well within the margin of era, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but with the Coalition primary trending down across a range
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  Speaker 3: of polls over the past couple of months. All the
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  Speaker 3: numbers point to a Labor victory, albeit quite likely in minority.
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  Speaker 3: And when you look to the book, is they have
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  Speaker 3: Labor as hot favorites.
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  Speaker 4: There's no complacency from my camp. I assure you of that,
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  Speaker 4: and this election is certainly up for grabs.
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  Speaker 5: There is one word that I will say, if.
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  Speaker 4: It is a word, I think it is one word
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  Speaker 4: to year two and nineteen two thyan and nineteen and
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  Speaker 4: I remind colleagues that twenty nineteen the book is paid
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  Speaker 4: out and guess what, that didn't occur.
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  Speaker 5: That was a very unwise thing to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, with the polls so close, the attention on the
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  Speaker 3: elections so thin, the major party vote so soft, preference
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  Speaker 3: flows so difficult to judge, the coalition is not without
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  Speaker 3: hope freaquly.
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  Speaker 6: I think that a lot of people would busy with work,
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  Speaker 6: busy in their lives. Many Australiners don't even know there's
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  Speaker 6: an election coming up. There is an enormous soft vote
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  Speaker 6: out there, as you know. That's what you'll see in
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  Speaker 6: all of the pollings, and that's certainly what we've heard.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of anger in the suburbs
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  Speaker 6: and I think you're going to see that expressed. We
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  Speaker 6: are the underdog, and I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 6: will be expressing a real protest vote at this election
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Now, as I've been saying here for a long time,
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  Speaker 3: this is an incredibly important election. Even though we seem
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  Speaker 3: to be stuck with a distracted, superficial tweedled, dumb and
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  Speaker 3: tweedled campaigning and coverage, the choice is actually quite historic.
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  Speaker 3: This is something that former Prime Minister Tony Abbott focused
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  Speaker 3: on in The Australian this morning, saying he used to
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  Speaker 3: think the nineteen seventy five Whitlam Fraser election was our
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  Speaker 3: most consequential contest, But this is far more consequential, he says,
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  Speaker 3: because the alban Easy government has a worse record of
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  Speaker 3: economic van endalism, not just massively expanding the size of
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  Speaker 3: government but also helping to create an unprecedented fall in
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  Speaker 3: living standards. Yeah, most of us are worse off after
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  Speaker 3: three years of Albanezi labor that just hasn't happened before,
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  Speaker 3: certainly not under a coalition government. And the trouble is
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  Speaker 3: that labour can only make it even worse. They only
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  Speaker 3: have plans for more big government, more deficits and more debts.
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  Speaker 3: And they only have plans to continue their failed renewables experiment,
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  Speaker 3: making our electricity even more expensive and even more unreliable.
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  Speaker 3: And in a time of great strategic uncertainty, labor is
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  Speaker 3: week on China week in our region, and now week
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to Russia's dealings with Indonesia.
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  Speaker 4: The Indonesian Defense Minister has repudiated the idea of a
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  Speaker 4: base being established in West Papua as well as well.
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  Speaker 7: Issued by Russia to Indonesia.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Indonesian president didn't make a statement. What has
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  Speaker 4: occurred here is that the alternative Prime Minister of Australia
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  Speaker 4: has verbaled the president of one of our most important neighbors.
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  Speaker 5: That is the issue here, and.
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  Speaker 4: The Coalition will try to raise a range of other issues.
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  Speaker 4: They raise issues about briefings on waiting for them to
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  Speaker 4: ask for a briefing on who faked the moon landing.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Prime Minister again has sort of ducked
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  Speaker 6: and weaved on this question today. The government's language keeps changing,
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  Speaker 6: which just seems strange. And we have asked for a briefing,
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  Speaker 6: it's still not forthcoming from the government. So what do
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  Speaker 6: they have to hide. I just wish this Prime Minister
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  Speaker 6: could be open and honest with the Australian people, and
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  Speaker 6: he hasn't been in relation to this issue.
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  Speaker 3: And so we get back to honesty as well. This
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  Speaker 3: is a real problem for this camp. So much of
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  Speaker 3: what has been put to the public is just not true.
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  Speaker 3: Labour seems to have thrown caution to the win. They
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  Speaker 3: just do not care about what is fact and what
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  Speaker 3: is false.
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  Speaker 8: The money for Peter Dutton six hundred billion dollar nuclear
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  Speaker 8: plan has to come from somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: That is simply not true.
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  Speaker 3: That six hundred billion dollar figure is plucked from a
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  Speaker 3: renewable energy lobby group. It's demonstrably wild. It probably overstates
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  Speaker 3: the costs by five times, because independent expert analysis has
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  Speaker 3: found that the coalition's nuclear plan would actually cost about
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty billion dollars less than Labour's renewables
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  Speaker 3: plus storage plus transmission experiment.
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  Speaker 1: But the lies don't stop there.
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  Speaker 4: What happens when you elect a liberal government. We saw
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  Speaker 4: last time, and we saw Peter Darton front and center
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  Speaker 4: as the hell minister when that government came in fifty
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars of cuts to health, thirty billion dollars of
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  Speaker 4: cuts to schools.
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  Speaker 3: Again, that's just not true. No spending was cut. When
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  Speaker 3: it suits labor, they spin numbers like this, not based
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  Speaker 3: on cuts, but based on spending not increasing by as
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  Speaker 3: much as some of their estimates suggested. It's like saying
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  Speaker 3: when you hoped for one hundred dollars pay rise but
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  Speaker 3: got fifty, that your pay has been cut by fifty dollars,
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  Speaker 3: when the opposite is true. So truthfulness and honesty are
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  Speaker 3: big factors in this campaign, and one side has an
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  Speaker 3: obvious problem. I mean, just have a look at this
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  Speaker 3: example one more time.
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  Speaker 9: Photos with everyone Okay in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off the stage,
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  Speaker 4: leg went down, but I was sweet.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if he's prepared to lie about something as
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  Speaker 3: trivial and obvious as that, how can voters believe anything
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  Speaker 3: he puts forward. A lot of people believed him when
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  Speaker 3: he said he would lower the cost of living, A
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  Speaker 3: lot of people believed him when he said he would
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  Speaker 3: lower mortgage costs.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people believed him when.
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  Speaker 3: He said he would lower electricity bills by two hundred.
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  Speaker 1: And seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone can be fooled once, but twice we'll see now.
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  Speaker 3: Because the major parties are both polling so low and
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  Speaker 3: there are so many votes likely to go to minor parties,
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  Speaker 3: preferences will decide this election outcome, and it could well
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  Speaker 3: be negotiations with the minor parties that decides who forms government.
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  Speaker 3: We're now in a situation where you get about a
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  Speaker 3: third of the votes for labor, a third or just
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  Speaker 3: over that the coalition, and the third for the minor
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  Speaker 3: parties and independents and a big player again this year
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  Speaker 3: under a new banner. The Trumpet of Patriots is Clive Palmer.
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  Speaker 3: His advertising is everywhere, as you know, you can't miss it.
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  Speaker 3: The spend must be enormous, but it might not produce
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  Speaker 3: a single politician in Parliament. The Trumpet of Patriots ads
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  Speaker 3: keep telling us that Suellen wrights And will be the
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  Speaker 3: next Prime minister. Hilarious claim. I mean she might win
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  Speaker 3: the brown load too. Remember when she joined me on
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  Speaker 3: the program a few weeks back and the party and
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  Speaker 3: she told us that the party didn't have any other
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  Speaker 3: candidates in even one other seat.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to be prime minister, who's going to
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  Speaker 1: be your treasurer?
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  Speaker 10: I will decide that as we go throughout the guary
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  Speaker 10: the election. We will have a Foreign Policy Committee chrease.
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  Speaker 1: And you'll need a foreign minister. Who would that person be?
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  Speaker 3: It might be me you'll be Prime Minister and foreigners
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  Speaker 3: perhaps treasury as well.
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  Speaker 10: The thing is what we shouldn't do is create is
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  Speaker 10: count our chickens before they hatch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty fascical and since then the organizers
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  Speaker 3: organization has come up with a bunch of candidates.
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  Speaker 1: They're running in most seats, and.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon they're a real worry for the Coalition because
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  Speaker 3: most of the people who vote for this side show
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  Speaker 3: would probably otherwise vote for the coalition parties, and if
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  Speaker 3: they failed to make sure they put the Coalition as
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  Speaker 3: their second preference, their votes could be lost to the
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  Speaker 3: right of center parties and just help Labor and the
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  Speaker 3: Greens win. And so we've seen one Trumpet of Patriots
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  Speaker 3: candidate Jason Smart pull out because he's disgusted that his
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  Speaker 3: party's official how to vote card for Flinders in Victoria
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  Speaker 3: was preferencing a Teal candidate ahead of the Coalition, which
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  Speaker 3: would only help Labor and the Greens in the end.
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  Speaker 3: If Clive Palmer thinks I'm going to put my love
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  Speaker 3: for my country to the side so he can try
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  Speaker 3: and gain some political relevance, he's dead wrong. Jason Smart said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm nobody's chump. Good on him. He's now urging people
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  Speaker 3: to put him last and vote for the right of
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  Speaker 3: center parties. He's going to be helping the One Nation candidate.
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  Speaker 3: This is a very important side story because it gets
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  Speaker 3: to the main game for this election. It's the fracturing
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  Speaker 3: of the right of sender vote that's hurting the coalition parties. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: there'll always be ways that coalition parties could do better.
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  Speaker 1: We all know that. We all have our own views
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  Speaker 1: on that and talk about them endlessly.
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  Speaker 3: But the more the vote fractures to these minor parties
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  Speaker 3: on the right, the less likely a coalition government becomes,
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  Speaker 3: and the easier it is for Labor and the Greens
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  Speaker 3: to form government. Simply, if you do not want a
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  Speaker 3: Labor Greens government, then the safest and surest option is
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  Speaker 3: to always vote for the coalition parties.
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  Speaker 1: And just on preferences.
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  Speaker 3: Labour is preference seeing the Greens all over the place,
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  Speaker 3: even though Labor agrees the Greens are dangerous extremists, even
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  Speaker 3: though Labor knows they've been anti Semitic, and even though
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  Speaker 3: they oppose that is, the Greens opposed the US Alliance
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  Speaker 3: and the orcst Deal. Despite all this, Labor is happy
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  Speaker 3: to preference them because it's only Green's preferences that gets
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  Speaker 3: most Labor MPs elected.
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  Speaker 2: I've been sent to how to vote card from your
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  Speaker 2: seat that has you preferencing the Green second ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals. Presumably this is some sort of broader deal.
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  Speaker 2: Is that ideal, given their stance on defense, given their
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  Speaker 2: stance on orcus, But you put them ahead of anyone else. Well,
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  Speaker 2: what I'm very keen to see is my own reelection
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  Speaker 2: in the seat of Caria.
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  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. I want to win. Yeah. In the
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  Speaker 3: race between the national interest and political self interest, it's
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  Speaker 3: always self interest that wins out. Now, one significant story
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  Speaker 3: of the last few days that does not relate to
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  Speaker 3: the federal election, well not directly, is this one.
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  Speaker 1: It does give us an.
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  Speaker 3: Insight into the way labor loves to overreach. It relates
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  Speaker 3: to the COVID pandemic and the curfew imposed by the
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  Speaker 3: Andrews Labor government in Victoria, and the way this draconian
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  Speaker 3: action was not taken on medical advice.
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  Speaker 11: The decision to enforce a strict curfew during Melbourne's COVID
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  Speaker 11: lockdown was not based on any health advice. Confidential emails
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  Speaker 11: released after four years confirmed the order came solely from
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  Speaker 11: Daniel Andrews and his cabinet. Mark Santo Martino explains.
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  Speaker 12: After seven COVID deaths in twenty four hours, Daniel Andrews
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  Speaker 12: declared a state of disaster in August twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 13: So there will be a curfew across metropolitan Melbourne from
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  Speaker 13: eight pm this sevening.
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  Speaker 12: In an email sent hours are Daniel Andrews announced Melbourne's
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  Speaker 12: COVID curfew. Victoria's public health commander asked Brett Sutton for
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  Speaker 12: permission to enforce one, noting the idea of a curfew
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  Speaker 12: has not arisen from public health advice and is not
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  Speaker 12: occurring on public health advice, but is a decision taken
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  Speaker 12: by a cabinet professor. Sutton responded, your assessment is correct
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  Speaker 12: as I understand it, and I am supportive of you
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  Speaker 12: authorizing it as such.
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  Speaker 1: Dear, I, dear you. These emails are new They shed
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  Speaker 1: new light.
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  Speaker 3: This is a legitimate story, and I reckon we should
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  Speaker 3: continue to expose this sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: We actually need a full royal.
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  Speaker 3: Commission, as you know, because our country is still suffering
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  Speaker 3: economically and socially from the outrageous overreaction by all governments
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  Speaker 3: to this pandemic, but especially by the Victorian government. But
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  Speaker 3: the point I want to make is that none of
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  Speaker 3: us needed hindsight to know this. Most of it was
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  Speaker 3: clear at the time. The media didn't report it then
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  Speaker 3: because most of the media, like most of the politicians,
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  Speaker 3: went along with the hysteria. They fed off the same
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  Speaker 3: fear mongering. But those of you who have watched this
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  Speaker 3: program for many years will know there was no medical
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  Speaker 3: advice for a curfew. We shared the fact with you
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  Speaker 3: way back in twenty twenty with a little help from
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  Speaker 3: three aw's Neil Mitchell interviewing the state's Chief health officer
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  Speaker 3: at the time about the curfew.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, I was consulted on it, but it was a
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  Speaker 14: separate decision making our pathway.
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  Speaker 3: Would you have introduced it in public health directions?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't reflected on it.
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  Speaker 3: I think it has been useful, so you know, if
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  Speaker 3: I put my mind to it, probably extraordinary from a
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  Speaker 3: public health perspective. A curfew never occurred to the Chief
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  Speaker 3: Medical officer, he doesn't know if it would be something worthwhile,
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  Speaker 3: but having seen it in action, he says he probably
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  Speaker 3: thinks it's been useful. Probably it's only the freedom of
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  Speaker 3: peace people to leave their own homes.
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  Speaker 13: There are any certain reasons to leave your home. If
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  Speaker 13: you don't have a valid reason to leave your home,
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  Speaker 13: then you can't leave your home. And the fact there's
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  Speaker 13: a curfew in place that does grow by an how
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  Speaker 13: it extends out to nine o'clock quite soon. That just
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  Speaker 13: means the job of Victoria Police is much much easier.
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  Speaker 3: This is just amazing, anti democratic, authoritarian, unscientific, unfair and unreasonable. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was all clear way back then, nearly.
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  Speaker 1: Five years ago.
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  Speaker 3: What people are outraged about today was actually clear all along,
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  Speaker 3: but not enough people paid attention. People should have been
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  Speaker 3: marching in the streets, but of course governments used brute
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  Speaker 3: political force against that at the time, and of course
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  Speaker 3: most politicians and most media were knee deep in the
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  Speaker 3: overreach without a proper royal commission. No doubt we'll cop
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  Speaker 3: all this and more again sometime. Let's go to the
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  Speaker 3: shadow Health Minister and Rustin joining us live from Sydney today.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us and the opposition leader, your boss,
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  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, was focusing on law and order today, the
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  Speaker 3: former Copper focusing on law and order at a federal level.
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  Speaker 3: It's stelly late in the campaign to be rolling all
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  Speaker 3: that out.
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  Speaker 15: Well, it's not the first time that Peter Dutton's been
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  Speaker 15: talking about laura and order. He has been talking about
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  Speaker 15: it for the entire term of this government. We've seen
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  Speaker 15: the crime gaings, particularly in Victoria, the fire bombings, the
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  Speaker 15: illicit tobacco, the illegal vapes, and you know, we've had
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  Speaker 15: a government both in Victoria and nationally who just have
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  Speaker 15: turned a blind eye to it. And so I think
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  Speaker 15: what Peter has done today is to just put firmly
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  Speaker 15: on the table his absolute commitment, reinforcing everything he's been
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  Speaker 15: saying through the last three years that we need to
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  Speaker 15: be the tough cop on the beat because we can't
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  Speaker 15: have organized crime out there on us streets running lawlessly,
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  Speaker 15: stealing cars, predating on young children, putting vapes into the
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  Speaker 15: hands of minors, and just basically cry creating havoc in
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  Speaker 15: our communities, which we've seen across Australia, but none more
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  Speaker 15: so than in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he revealed I announced a seven hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: million dollar package and a few of the focuses there
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  Speaker 3: are on a national child sex offenders register and also
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  Speaker 3: tackling the illegal tobacco gangs the organized crime around that
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  Speaker 3: which is causing a lot of problem problems around the country,
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  Speaker 3: particularly in Victoria. But what I found extraordinary today is
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  Speaker 3: after Peter Dutton announced that package, the Prime ministers seem
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  Speaker 3: to be saying, don't worry, everything's okay. Have a look
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  Speaker 3: at Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 4: There's a national child offender system in place right now.
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  Speaker 4: My government will respond positively to any request from police
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  Speaker 4: or security agencies, as we have done. My government is
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  Speaker 4: the first government to set up a national firearm Register.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't exist before in some states, the National Firearms or
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  Speaker 4: there was no national Firearms Register.
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  Speaker 5: The state registers were.
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  Speaker 4: With pen and paper, pen and paper. It wasn't even digitized.
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  Speaker 4: My government is funding that. My government is acting on
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  Speaker 4: all of these issues in accordance with advice.
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  Speaker 3: And Rustady seems to be saying they've got a good
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  Speaker 3: record on law and order. But the experience in many states,
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  Speaker 3: especially Victoria and Queensland, I would suggest, is that people
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  Speaker 3: are seeing a lot of problems.
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  Speaker 15: This is just another example of a Prime minister who's
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  Speaker 15: completely out of touch with what the public are really feeling.
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  Speaker 15: We've got a Prime Honister and Prime Minister and a
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  Speaker 15: government that's running around telling Australians that, you know, things
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  Speaker 15: are great out there, But the experience of every Australian,
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  Speaker 15: whether it be in crime or law and order, or
• 19:52
  Speaker 15: access to health, or they're dealing with their cost of
• 19:54
  Speaker 15: living crisis is really real, and it's a completely different
• 19:58
  Speaker 15: story when you speak to people on the ground than
• 20:00
  Speaker 15: the one that the Prime Minister's trying to spin to
• 20:02
  Speaker 15: Australians as he runs around this election campaign.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It must frus frustrate you then to see the polls
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: at the moment where the coalition and voter has been
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: trending down, labor ticking up. If anything, it looks like
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you've gone backwards so far in this campaign.
• 20:17
  Speaker 15: Why well, I think what we're doing at the moment
• 20:22
  Speaker 15: is we're out talking to Australians and I'm out there
• 20:24
  Speaker 15: all day, every day talking to Australians, Chris, and I
• 20:26
  Speaker 15: can tell you it's a different story out on the ground.
• 20:29
  Speaker 15: Australians are really struggling with cost of living. They're telling
• 20:32
  Speaker 15: us that they feel much worse off than when this
• 20:35
  Speaker 15: government came into pair. So we're really focused on making
• 20:38
  Speaker 15: sure that first of all, we listen to Australians about
• 20:40
  Speaker 15: what their concerns are. And then we've been rolling out
• 20:43
  Speaker 15: our policies to show Australians that we've got a clear
• 20:45
  Speaker 15: and positive plan to make their lives better after the election.
• 20:50
  Speaker 15: And so that's what our job is for the next
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: twelve days, as it has been through the entire campaign,
• 20:54
  Speaker 15: is to make sure that Australians see that they've got
• 20:56
  Speaker 15: a choice here, an alternative.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: They can choose more of.
• 20:59
  Speaker 15: The same, and I've got to tell you they're not
• 21:00
  Speaker 15: too many Australians who tell me they want more of
• 21:02
  Speaker 15: the same, or they can choose an alternative with a
• 21:04
  Speaker 15: strong leader like Peter Dutton who will make a real
• 21:07
  Speaker 15: difference in their lives. Then focus on the issues that
• 21:09
  Speaker 15: matter to Australians.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And Rustin thanks so much for joining us. Let's go
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: back into some of this polling analysis now, because, as
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier, early voting opens tomorrow. Over five and
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: a half million Aussies voted early in the last federal
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: election and the Australian Electoral Commission is expecting an even
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: higher turnout for early voting this time round. And of course, meanwhile,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: as I mentioned that the Top News poll shows Labour's
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: primary vote has risen to its highest level since January
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Here's our Pete Stephanovik summed it up
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: this morning on Sky.
• 21:43
  Speaker 16: Support for the ALP has climbed slightly to thirty four percent,
• 21:47
  Speaker 16: which is over one percent higher than the result from
• 21:50
  Speaker 16: the last election. The Coalition's primary vote remains steady at
• 21:53
  Speaker 16: thirty five percent. Support for One Nation has fallen one
• 21:56
  Speaker 16: point to seven. Support for the Greens and other candidates,
• 22:00
  Speaker 16: including the Teals that remains unchanged at twelve Despite Labour's
• 22:04
  Speaker 16: primary vote lifting for the first time in a month,
• 22:06
  Speaker 16: it's two party preferred lead over the Coalition stays the
• 22:09
  Speaker 16: same fifty two to forty eight.
• 22:11
  Speaker 14: On that front, Let's.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Bring in the former Labor senator and the expert polling
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: number crunch of John Black, joining us live from Brisbane.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, John, You must be very happy
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: because it looks prospective for Labour, doesn't it. When you
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: see it's primary vote getting up to those levels, you
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: must be starting to think that they could win a majority.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Give us your analysis.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Well, thanks, Chris. It's good to be back.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: Only twelve more sleeps to go and the pain in
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: our head will stop. Look, the poles that are taken
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: out nationally are one thing.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: But what I've been paying close attention to us.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: All the mrp poles that are being done which project
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: votes down to individual seats and trying to detect patterns
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: because We've been doing that for the best part of
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: fifty years now after the event, analyzing and profiling actions,
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: and the evidence collectively points to labor at the moment
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: but doing well enough by two or three percent in
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: the marginal seats that count to win around about the
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: same number of seats.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: That they have now.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so around about the same number of means it
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: either either has a narrow majority or has a clearly
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: has the most seats and conform a minority government.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Tell us about them.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I suppose the challenges for polsters here because when you've
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: got low primary votes for the major parties, lots of
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: independent players and minor parties, and it's all about where
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: those preferences go, and that can change, presumably from election
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: to election. How accurate are our pollsters at measuring those
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: preference flows, and therefore how much stalk can we place
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: in the polling at the moment.
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: But I think he can be reasonably confident about the
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: big figures close to the fifty percent mark. When it
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: gets down smaller figures, then you can be less confident.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: And the difficulty that all.
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: Pollsters now have is non sampling error, and that is
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: trying to get a sample which matches the population, there's
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: been a diminishing number of voters who are voting. The
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: informal voter's been rising. There's clear signs of disaffection with
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: the major parties has been going on.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: For some time.
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: So there's a lot of people Christis simply don't give
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: a dam about the election, and they wouldn't even vote
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: if they didn't have to do it. Even if they
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: have to, they're still not voting. So the difficulty for
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: polsters is to try to get an accurate feeling for
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: how they are going to vote. And as you said,
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: more importantly, if they're not going to vote for one
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: of the major parties, and these voters are disproportionately going
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: to vote for the others that is basically anybody but
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: the two major parties, then to try and disentangle how
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: they're going to vote number two, three, or four is
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: even more difficult. The thing that I've been trying to
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: focus on is this drift of preferences, because I can
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: see means how important it's going to be at this election,
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: and I can sense how difficult it is to predict.
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: And what I've picked up is a trend amongst the
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: electorates where there's been a larger number of very low
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: income of workers in digitally disrupted jobs, living part beyond welfare,
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: often with subsidized rentals and that sort of thing. They
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: became disaffected with labor during Labour's intervention or after Labour's
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: intervention and the affairs of the CFMEU. The Garza conflict
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: also motivated a lot of non English speaking migrants to
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: become disaffected from labor. So the question was then who
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: they're going to vote for number two, three or four. Similarly,
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: the Teals were on the nose, as are the Greens,
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: so those disaffected voters were up for grabs as well.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: But going to the coalition, and.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: What I'm interested in looking at is how they're drifting
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: back to labor, which seems still have been happening.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: So they're the clear target groups for both.
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: Major parties over the next ten or eleven days.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Fascinating staff because I don't think I can remember an
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: election where the public have been less engaged in it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yet voting starts tomorrow, so it's all happening. Things could change,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I suppose in the last two weeks we will see.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Great to get your analysis, John, I appreciate it. We're
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: going to get to a break. Coming up on the
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: other side, we're going to check in on the gender.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Wars in the UK.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: As protesters hit the streets after that country's Supreme Court
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: ruled that a woman is divine defined by her biology.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Protestserver upted across the UK after that country supreme court
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: last week ruled that a woman is defined by her
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: biology by her biological sex. Meanwhile, the women's rights campaigners
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: who took up the fight have been receiving vile death threats.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: You're a group of disgusting murderers and deserve death. God
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: will rip you from your family one day and nobody
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: will mourn you. Your inhumanity makes me vomit. You stupid
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: women should feel deeply ashamed for being so stupid. The
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: fight to protect sex based rights led supporters of the
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: trans community to march outside the heart of democracy. That
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: was the message people here wanted to get across. Seven
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: statues nearby were covered in pro trans graffiti, including suffragist
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: Milicent Forcet, and a small number of these were seen
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: in the crowd. A quite literal sign directed at people
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: who agree with four women in Scotland. The met says
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: it's investigating signs at the protest. So far none deemed
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: to have broken the law.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Let's cross to News Corps European correspondent Sky News contributor
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Sophia's Worth in London. So ifhy this is extraordinary. I
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: think around the world that most people would have seen
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: this legal decision, this Supreme Court ruling as a reassertion
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: of common sense and the defense of the rights of
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: women and girls. Yet these protests and this ugly the
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: violent threats is just shocking. How widespread has it been?
• 28:13
  Speaker 17: Tell us about it, well, Chris, I was down here
• 28:17
  Speaker 17: at Parliament Square where I'm located now on Saturday when
• 28:21
  Speaker 17: the protests were going on. There were thousands of people
• 28:24
  Speaker 17: here and just behind me here, Chris, you can see
• 28:27
  Speaker 17: in the statue here of former South African leaders Smarts.
• 28:30
  Speaker 18: It's totally damaged. They've had to put plastic around it,
• 28:34
  Speaker 18: cover it up.
• 28:35
  Speaker 17: There's messaging and grofeeding on there that trans rights, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 17: pro trans rights messages written all over these statues. All
• 28:43
  Speaker 17: the statues around here, many of them were damaged. So
• 28:46
  Speaker 17: we've got security down here today and many people looking
• 28:49
  Speaker 17: at these statues concerned by what they're seeing, Chris. But
• 28:53
  Speaker 17: then we also had the violence threats against the four
• 28:55
  Speaker 17: Women of Scotland activist group who basically fought for these
• 29:00
  Speaker 17: women's rights in court and successfully won. So there are
• 29:04
  Speaker 17: a lot of angry people down here on the weekend, Chris.
• 29:07
  Speaker 17: And also alongside me there were fences put along the
• 29:12
  Speaker 17: side of me with cable ties. The activists broke through
• 29:15
  Speaker 17: there and damaged some of the lawn that they've laid here,
• 29:18
  Speaker 17: So real concerns here, and now police are asking for
• 29:21
  Speaker 17: people to come forward with information about how this graffiti
• 29:25
  Speaker 17: happened and who is responsible.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just very hard to get your head around
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: the protesters here and so called feminists who support them,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: because no one's trying to discriminate.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Against the trans people.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: It's about protecting the rights of women and girls in particular.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: And I suppose to the extent that there are people
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: asking up about this, these are biological men who are
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: protesting that are then allowed to claim to be women.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's it's a fringe group.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Here that nobody's trying to isolate, but it's generating so
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: much hatred and this is obviously not confined to the UK,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: as the EPI said it now because of this decision,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: But it's a worldwide movement, including here in Australia.
• 30:14
  Speaker 18: Well, Chris, it was really interesting when I was here
• 30:16
  Speaker 18: on the weekend because I tried to interview many of
• 30:19
  Speaker 18: the protesters to find out why are they here and
• 30:22
  Speaker 18: what are they protesting against. Many of them wouldn't talk
• 30:25
  Speaker 18: to me, wouldn't go on camera, wouldn't explain why they're here,
• 30:30
  Speaker 18: and I really wondered why if many knew what they
• 30:33
  Speaker 18: were actually fighting for here, they seemed some of their
• 30:36
  Speaker 18: messages weren't direct to the point to know what are
• 30:39
  Speaker 18: they fighting against here? Because the court ruling was pretty
• 30:43
  Speaker 18: clear that a biological woman is deemed from their biology.
• 30:48
  Speaker 17: When they were born.
• 30:50
  Speaker 18: But today in the front here, Chris, I've got one
• 30:52
  Speaker 18: of the front pages of the Daily Express here saying
• 30:55
  Speaker 18: disgraceful court heroes targets for vile abuse. I mean the
• 30:59
  Speaker 18: front ages here every day at the moment, it's all
• 31:02
  Speaker 18: about the gender debate and there's many labor MPs quite annoyed.
• 31:07
  Speaker 17: With this decision.
• 31:08
  Speaker 18: There was leaked WhatsApp group that revealed some of them
• 31:11
  Speaker 18: are plotting what to do next because they're deeply unhappy
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: with the decision, and the Labor government has been largely
• 31:19
  Speaker 18: very quiet since this decision was handed down because it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 18: so devisive within their party and within the community.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: It is just so extraordinary when you think of how
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: hard many people have to have had to fight right
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: around the world for equality for women, and how they
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: need to still fight around the country for the rights
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: of women. You're saying, basically, biological men should also be
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: able to usurp those rights. It seems mad and insane,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: but that's.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: The world we live in today.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Just before we let you go, Sophie, though, I'd like
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: to just get your update on the Pontiff, because he's
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: made a surprise Easter appearance at the Vatican.
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: He did, indeed, Chris the eighty eight year old out
• 32:00
  Speaker 17: in front of thousands of worshipers on Easter Sunday. He
• 32:04
  Speaker 17: only said a few words. He still doesn't look in
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: great health. He was wheelchair bound and then he did
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: a circle round in the popemobille. As we can see
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: on the camera there just waving to the crowd. Many
• 32:16
  Speaker 17: people happy to see him out in public, but it
• 32:20
  Speaker 17: doesn't seem like he's fully recovered from his illness, which
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: included bronkitis and double pneumonia. But many worshipers obviously are
• 32:28
  Speaker 17: very happy to see him out and about and hoping
• 32:31
  Speaker 17: that he can make a full recovery very soon, if
• 32:33
  Speaker 17: he hasn't yet made.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: One spot on. Thanks again, Sophie, appreciate it, Sophie Ellsworth,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: their life from London all over it as usual. We've
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: got to take a break. On the other side, I'll
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: be joined by the Liberal Senator Alexantik. I want to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: talk to him about the pandemic fallout and that outrageous
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: curfew overreach in Victoria. Let me go back to these
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: new revelations about the curfew imposed by Victorian labor Premier
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews back in twenty twenty. Here's what he did
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: to his state at the time.
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: There will be a curfew across Metropolitan Melbourne from eight
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: pm this sevening, and it will run from eight pm
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: to five am each and every day. We can no
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: longer have people simply out and about for no good
• 33:19
  Speaker 13: reason whatsoever. These steps are the ones we have to take.
• 33:22
  Speaker 13: These are the decisions I've made because anything short of
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: this will not keep us safe.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Now, this is in the news again now because emails
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: from that period have turned up that show beyond the
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: shadow of doubt that this was not a decision taken
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: on medical advice. The Chief Medical Officer himself said that
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: this was a decision taken outside of medical advice by
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the Labor premier at the time. Daniel Andrews joining me
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: in the studio now, is a Liberal senator for South Australia. Alexandrik,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: good to talk to you again, Alex. What I highlighted
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: at the top of the program, I showed clips from
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: me a month later, and we were saying on this
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: show it was clear from some of the comments at
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the time that this was not taken on medical advice,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: which just goes to the point it's still a story now.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: It's great that we're examining it, examining it and looking
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: at the emails, but it goes to the way that
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: we just didn't have enough scrutiny at the time from
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: enough people.
• 34:16
  Speaker 19: Yeah, well, I think you're exactly right on that, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 19: it would be probably a little bit cute to say
• 34:21
  Speaker 19: that everything that happened during COVID needs to have some
• 34:25
  Speaker 19: degree of cynicism put over at the top of it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 19: But I can tell you here in South Australia in
• 34:29
  Speaker 19: twenty twenty two, I had a freedom information application returned
• 34:33
  Speaker 19: in very similar terms where I'd asked for all the
• 34:34
  Speaker 19: health advice that Essay Health here had relied on in
• 34:38
  Speaker 19: order to do the mass mandates and the vaccine mandates.
• 34:41
  Speaker 19: And I got effectively a pile about that high of
• 34:45
  Speaker 19: minutes of meetings where people were just discussing things. So
• 34:48
  Speaker 19: I think it's clear that a lot of this was
• 34:49
  Speaker 19: just made up on the run, and we saw that
• 34:51
  Speaker 19: with some of the ludicrous stuff. It wasn't just the lockdowns,
• 34:54
  Speaker 19: it was the manner in which people were being curtailed
• 34:57
  Speaker 19: when they went into a building. If you remember here
• 34:58
  Speaker 19: in South Australia, you walk into a jim you had
• 35:00
  Speaker 19: to have a mask on, but if you did a
• 35:01
  Speaker 19: spin class you could take your mask off. You had
• 35:03
  Speaker 19: to be a meter away from This was all being
• 35:05
  Speaker 19: made up. I think a lot of this was completely
• 35:08
  Speaker 19: devoid of scientific merit. And I'm glad people are still
• 35:10
  Speaker 19: asking the questions. I certainly am, and I continue to
• 35:12
  Speaker 19: do so.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they should keep doing so, because the troublers, the
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: politicians kept telling us they referred to medical advice to
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: justify all their decisions. Never shared that medical advice, and
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: now more of this detail is coming up. Another example
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: is in Queensland, where that state's chief health officer now
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the governor up there, effectively admitted that shutting down schools
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: wasn't a health measure, it was more about sending a
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: message to the community about how serious this was.
• 35:39
  Speaker 19: Yeah, and look, there's been a bit of a I
• 35:41
  Speaker 19: think a global awakening on some of this. We saw
• 35:43
  Speaker 19: just this week that the White House actually released a
• 35:46
  Speaker 19: lablique report which really got to the heart of some
• 35:49
  Speaker 19: of the things that were conspiracy theories three or four
• 35:52
  Speaker 19: years ago. COVID dot GV is the address of that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 19: If people want to go and have a look, it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 19: pretty extraordinary stuff. It talks about the myth of using masks,
• 36:00
  Speaker 19: talks about the origin of the virus. So look, I
• 36:02
  Speaker 19: think we were basically spoon fed a lot of nonsense
• 36:05
  Speaker 19: during this period. That's why we need a Royal commission.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Well we get one though as the time passed. Can
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: you see your own side of politics ever stumping up
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: well and having one?
• 36:12
  Speaker 19: Well, certainly I will continue to try. I'll continue to
• 36:15
  Speaker 19: push for that and the reason for that is I
• 36:17
  Speaker 19: know people want this to go away. It's either a
• 36:19
  Speaker 19: bad memory or it's a politically inconvenient fact. But the
• 36:22
  Speaker 19: reality is every single day I still have people talking
• 36:24
  Speaker 19: to me about a vaccine injury, or the destroyed business
• 36:28
  Speaker 19: or just the trauma. And we still have an excess
• 36:30
  Speaker 19: death rate in this country about thirteen percent over the
• 36:32
  Speaker 19: five year baseline. These questions have to be answered, all right.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: We were just talking to Sophie Osworth from London about
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: the fallout from this UK Supreme Court decision defining a
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: lot of woman of this, surprise, surprise, a woman is
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: biologically a woman. The fallout there has been extraordinary. But
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I want to show you what Peter Dutton said last
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: week when he was asked about this on the campaign trail.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Have looked in light of this ruling, what is your
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: definition of a woman?
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: Well, that's a matter obviously it's been before the British courts.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: I haven't I've seen the detail of the case and
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: it's not something to term. I think his front of
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: minds at this election.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I think now alex Antik, we understand it's the cost
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: of living. You want to keep the election campaign focused
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: on the big issues. I don't want to have cultural
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: wars on the side, but this is a fundamental issue
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: surely where the Coalition should be firmly standing on the
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: side of science.
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  Speaker 19: Look, I mean I understand that, but I think we
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: have to accept that there are a lot of moving
• 37:25
  Speaker 19: pasts to an election campaign. The number one overwhelming priority
• 37:29
  Speaker 19: for people though his cost of living, and we see
• 37:31
  Speaker 19: that people are doing it very tough. We've got interest
• 37:33
  Speaker 19: rates on the rise, people with mortgages that are up fifty
• 37:36
  Speaker 19: thousand dollars they've spent over the last three years under
• 37:38
  Speaker 19: this labor government. We haven't got the energy bill relief
• 37:40
  Speaker 19: that we're looking for. Look, this is an issue that
• 37:43
  Speaker 19: I've been dealing with for a long period of time.
• 37:45
  Speaker 19: I've said it openly. My personal view is that there
• 37:48
  Speaker 19: should be an amendment to the Sex Discrimination Act to
• 37:51
  Speaker 19: return the definition of man and woman and that would
• 37:54
  Speaker 19: solve the problem. But look, I totally understand why Peter
• 37:58
  Speaker 19: Dutton's focusing on the big issues. This wouldn't I think,
• 38:02
  Speaker 19: even though it is a very important issue of something
• 38:03
  Speaker 19: that I've taken very seriously, wouldn't appear in the top
• 38:05
  Speaker 19: ten issues for Australians at the moment.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alex, I appreciate to it on
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: you Alexantik, Liberal Senator for South Australia. We're going to
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: take a break now. On the other side, I'll catch
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: up Gematone Uni and Caroline dura.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: So we'll look at this final run home in the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: election campaign.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Don't go away. Let's get into the campaign and all
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: the other issues around the place at the moment with
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: our terrific Monday Night panel. Gematon Uni from GT Communications
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: joins me from Sydney, and the Royal Report host and
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: WA Liberal Party President Caroline dura So joins us from Perth. Now, Gemma,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I wonder if I could go to you first. I
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts on this issue. And that
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: is Mark Dreyfus, who a Labor Front venture of course
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Attorney General, a man who's a member of the Australian
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Jewish community. Yet he is going to go ahead and
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: he is preferencing the Greens second in his electorate. Now,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: if he can preference the Greens, surely Labor has no
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: shame when it comes to these Green preferences.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, I saw that, Chris, And there's a couple of
• 39:09
  Speaker 20: things I want to observe about it. First of all,
• 39:11
  Speaker 20: Labour's motto is whatever it takes, and there's the embodiment
• 39:13
  Speaker 20: of it, isn't it whatever it takes, regardless of the
• 39:17
  Speaker 20: principles involved. And the second thing I was at, as
• 39:21
  Speaker 20: you were, the Anti Semitism summit when mister Dreyfus spoke
• 39:25
  Speaker 20: to that congregation and when he was resoundedly heckled by
• 39:30
  Speaker 20: the people who were at the anti Semitism summit when
• 39:34
  Speaker 20: he said, oh, the Albanese government stands with the Jewish community, Well,
• 39:37
  Speaker 20: here's the evidence that they simply don't. They don't stand
• 39:40
  Speaker 20: with the Jewish community in anything other than a cosmetic way.
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: They never have.
• 39:44
  Speaker 20: Because if they did, they would put morals ahead of
• 39:48
  Speaker 20: political expediency and not preference a party that is so
• 39:54
  Speaker 20: wildly anti Australian, anti Australian values, toxic, use any adjective
• 39:59
  Speaker 20: you like, but certainly Tomitican nature. So I'm not surprised.
• 40:03
  Speaker 20: Hugely disappointed, but not at all surprised.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Caroline. I used a clip earlier in the show
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: from Sky This Afternoon where Andrew Clenell put the question
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: to the Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles and said, well,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: hang on a second, that the Greens are against the
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: US Alliance and against Orcas, how could you possibly preference them?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: And Miles was honest.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: He says, because I want to get re elected.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: It's an issue, isn't it. Because the Liberal Party tends
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to take the principal stand here and preference the Greens
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: below Labor. But in the end, the flexibility that Labor
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: shows wins them seats.
• 40:44
  Speaker 18: I top marks to Richard Males for being honest about it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 20: I suppose, yeah, we do.
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: We preference the Greens below Labor, and occasionally someone even
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: goes after the Greens if they're even loopier than the Greens,
• 41:02
  Speaker 18: but that takes some doing.
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 41:04
  Speaker 18: It was very interesting today Murray What tweeted something about
• 41:08
  Speaker 18: where the Liberal Party or the Coalition was preferencing one
• 41:11
  Speaker 18: nation and it's really important to understand that politics is dynamic.
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: And Murray What in his tweet referred to John Howard
• 41:21
  Speaker 18: and comments that John Howard made about one nation and
• 41:24
  Speaker 18: the fact of the matter is politics has moved hugely
• 41:28
  Speaker 18: from where it was twenty five or so years ago,
• 41:33
  Speaker 18: you know, in relation to those comments at Howard made
• 41:36
  Speaker 18: about One Nation because twenty five years ago, when we
• 41:39
  Speaker 18: think of the Greens, and this is the point, Chris,
• 41:42
  Speaker 18: we thought about environmentalists. The Greens are no longer those environmentalists.
• 41:47
  Speaker 18: But the problem that Labor had is they hitched their
• 41:49
  Speaker 18: wagon to the Greens that long ago, and while that
• 41:53
  Speaker 18: party has morphed over that period of time, Labor has
• 41:57
  Speaker 18: become so dependent on the Greens to get elected. Like
• 42:01
  Speaker 18: Richard Miles commented today, the fact that they win very
• 42:06
  Speaker 18: few seats without Green's preferences, But if they were thinking
• 42:10
  Speaker 18: longer term, and you know, they would probably preference the
• 42:13
  Speaker 18: Greens last for a couple of elections. But if you
• 42:15
  Speaker 18: actually look at the view that the Prime Minister in
• 42:18
  Speaker 18: particular takes on a lot of things, he's more focused
• 42:21
  Speaker 18: on his left flank than he is in serving the
• 42:24
  Speaker 18: Australian people, and that's how you end up with decisions
• 42:27
  Speaker 18: like the ban on live sheep exports.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, And I think when you talk
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: about the way politics has evolved over twenty or thirty years,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: it's changed for One Nation too. I think One Nation
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: are a much more moderate to political organization than they
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: were when they first emerged as well, Pauline Hansen has
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: learned a lot and modified the party quite a bit.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I want to go to a political honesty though. Now
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: let's have a look at a couple of Labour's latest ads.
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: The money for Peter dutton six hundred billion dollar nuclear
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: plan has to come from somewhere in.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Now, Jemmy, these are shocking ads and these are two
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: of the biggest lies though. That's why I put them together.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: The six hundred billion dollar figure for the nuclear pan plan.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Is absolute nonsense.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: It's taken from a bunch of renewable energy lobbyists. But
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: then Labor uses that to pretend there's going to be cuts,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: and it keeps telling us that the coalition made cuts
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: previously when they did not. They just didn't increase spending
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: by as much as Labor would like them to have done. So,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, how do we get clarity for voters here
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: so that what they're actually being fed has some relationship
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: to the truth.
• 43:57
  Speaker 20: Well, it's those on the other side need to out
• 44:00
  Speaker 20: and dare I say the mainstream media, who is supposed
• 44:03
  Speaker 20: to be impartial in this place, needs to needs to
• 44:06
  Speaker 20: do a better job of saying that's a lie. I mean,
• 44:08
  Speaker 20: the labor government lies when their lips move. This is
• 44:11
  Speaker 20: a government that does think, it doesn't even think twice
• 44:13
  Speaker 20: about being untruthful with the Australian public. And that is
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: a fantastic and potent example of it. And the thing
• 44:20
  Speaker 20: that just turns my stomach about it is we are
• 44:22
  Speaker 20: governed by people who are unworthy of the privilege of
• 44:26
  Speaker 20: serving Australia. And let me just remind them again you
• 44:28
  Speaker 20: work for us, not the other way around, and you
• 44:30
  Speaker 20: have failed.
• 44:31
  Speaker 15: If I could sack you, I would.
• 44:33
  Speaker 20: That's what this election is about. But I wonder what
• 44:35
  Speaker 20: I fred about, Chris, in all honesty, is what is
• 44:37
  Speaker 20: it going to take, what depth of or what level
• 44:40
  Speaker 20: of hardship or crisis or you know, social upheaval, economic upheople.
• 44:45
  Speaker 20: Is it going to take for you know, some voters
• 44:49
  Speaker 20: to wake up and realize that they are being sold
• 44:51
  Speaker 20: a pup and that this government thinks nothing, absolutely nothing
• 44:55
  Speaker 20: about telling lies like that. The shame of it, the
• 44:58
  Speaker 20: absolute shame of it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it must be very difficult to address, Caroline, when
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: you're from an organizational point of view. I mean, this
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: six hundred dollar, six hundred billion dollar figure is everywhere.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: It's a core.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Claim of Labour's campaign. It's so far off beam. It's
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: probably five times what the entire nuclear plan would cost
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: over thirty years. Yet they're getting away with it.
• 45:26
  Speaker 18: They are, And I think Murray, what when he was
• 45:30
  Speaker 18: on Andrew Clenell's show, Oh was that yesterday Sunday? Yes,
• 45:34
  Speaker 18: admitted that that figure came from a lobbyist. But that
• 45:38
  Speaker 18: figure just keeps getting trotted out, and the mainstream media
• 45:42
  Speaker 18: seemed more interesting in asking the Prime Minister about playing
• 45:45
  Speaker 18: goal for how he has his veggimid or how the
• 45:48
  Speaker 18: rabbit o's are going, or what other sorts of things they'd.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Rather talk about.
• 45:52
  Speaker 18: And ultimately I look at it like this crease. If
• 45:55
  Speaker 18: you've had a term in government and you think you've
• 45:57
  Speaker 18: done a really good job, wouldn't you be selling that
• 46:00
  Speaker 18: from or shouting that from the rooftops? And the fact
• 46:03
  Speaker 18: of the matter is the alb and Easy government isn't
• 46:05
  Speaker 18: doing that because disposable income has you know, living standards
• 46:10
  Speaker 18: have gone through the floor. You know, you look at
• 46:12
  Speaker 18: bulk billing rates sort of dropped significantly and there's old
• 46:15
  Speaker 18: mate there waving around his Medicare card and the questions
• 46:19
  Speaker 18: that need to be asked by the media are simply
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: not being asked.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. They're running a campaign. The government are
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: running a campaign like an opposition. It's a scare campaign
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: against the opposition because they have no record or plans
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: to run on. Peter Dutton went strong on law and
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: order today announced his package. I showed viewers earlier how
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albaneze seemed to think law and order his issues
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: were under control. But from his government to his government's perspective,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: here's some of what Peter Dutton had to say.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: The Prime Minister is saying that there's no problem and
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: that there's enough resource there and that he's fixed the problem.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I just don't think.
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: I think he's got a tineer to the concerns of
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: people in Victory area and elsewhere. Have a look at
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: the hundreds of incidents in this space and we need
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: to do more. The government's not doing it. And a
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: policy today is a seven hundred and fifty million dollar commitment.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: It's a game changer and it's aimed at helping families
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: live more safely in their homes and their communities, in
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: their workplaces and around the country.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Now, I would just like to interrupt this broadcast with
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: some breaking news out of Europe reports now that Pope
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Francis the Promptev has passed away. Will take you in
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: our live to sky.
• 47:33
  Speaker 21: News UK that he's been in and it was the
• 47:36
  Speaker 21: longest time that we'd seen we'd had him be out
• 47:40
  Speaker 21: of public view.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: He was in hospital for.
• 47:43
  Speaker 21: About five weeks and during that time we'd heard an
• 47:47
  Speaker 21: audio message from him, but we didn't really see him.
• 47:50
  Speaker 21: There was one occasion when he came to the window
• 47:54
  Speaker 21: and the Vatican also released a photograph of him while
• 47:57
  Speaker 21: he was in hospital, but he was in a very
• 47:59
  Speaker 21: critical condition during that time. And then about five weeks
• 48:04
  Speaker 21: after that they said that he was in a stable condition,
• 48:07
  Speaker 21: so he had come out of intensive care and was
• 48:10
  Speaker 21: in a regular ward. His vital signs had become steady
• 48:14
  Speaker 21: and he was ready to go home, and he was
• 48:17
  Speaker 21: sent home with twenty four hour medical care. He had
• 48:21
  Speaker 21: oxygen to hand if he'd needed it, and he was
• 48:25
  Speaker 21: ordered to rest for about two months and that was
• 48:30
  Speaker 21: his release from hospital just a mere few weeks ago.
• 48:35
  Speaker 14: You're watching sky News breaking news in the past few moments.
• 48:39
  Speaker 14: Importing is that the Vatican has announced that Pope Francis
• 48:43
  Speaker 14: has died.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: He was eighty eight.
• 48:46
  Speaker 14: The pontiff had been in increasingly frail health in recent
• 48:49
  Speaker 14: months and died in the Vatican after receiving treatment in
• 48:53
  Speaker 14: Rome for a respiratory tract infection in previous months. Francis
• 48:59
  Speaker 14: having popes since March twenty thirteen, following the resignation of
• 49:03
  Speaker 14: his predecessor, Benedict the sixteenth. He was born in the
• 49:08
  Speaker 14: Argentine capital Buenos Aires, a city where he was lead
• 49:11
  Speaker 14: to lead archbishop.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: That is breaking news across the world as we speak,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: thanks so much to Gemutine Union and Carolina also there.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: We had to cut off to bring you that news
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: as soon as it came to hand. The Vatican has
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: announced they have confirmed that Pope Francis has died. The
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: eighty eight year old point to Pontiff has died in
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: the Vatican. As you know, he's been hospitalized on and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: off for a number of months, suffering from pneumonia, pneumonia
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and other issues. He did make a public appearance at
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: the Vatican on the Easter weekend would brighten the hearts
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: of many worshipers. But Pope Francis has died at.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: The age of eighty eight. That's all the time we
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: got for you tonight.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Here's Peter Quidlin.