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Time Travel Movie Draft: "Interstellar" · May The Review Be With You

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  Speaker 1: I knew we were in trouble when you got to
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  Speaker 1: the NASA flot point at seven seconds. It's like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: we're not even in space yet. Oh boy, Hello and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to made the review beat with you with Nick.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Joe, you all, everybody, I'm Nick.
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: I was not expecting a lost reference at the start
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  Speaker 1: of this. Well cool, He's Nick, I'm Joe, you all, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show today. It is time for a
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  Speaker 1: time travel draft episode, and we are reviewing Christopher Nolan's
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  Speaker 1: space epic Interstellar. We are at a movie that I
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  Speaker 1: have both been looking forward to and dreading very much
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  Speaker 1: for the emotional pain that this movie very much is,
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  Speaker 1: but the cinematic triumph that god damn it proves to be.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, so works to talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen any of our time travel draft
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  Speaker 1: episodes before, a quick summary of what this is. Nick
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  Speaker 1: and I about a year ago at this point did
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  Speaker 1: a movie draft of I think about seven different movies
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  Speaker 1: each right, drafting them in different categories. And this particular
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  Speaker 1: category that we have for today is a movie in
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  Speaker 1: a surprise time travel genre, and Nick chose Interstellar for
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  Speaker 1: this particular category, Nick, why did you choose Interstellar?
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is maybe my favorite Christopher Nolan film. It's like.
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous how cool it is, And yeah, it ends up
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  Speaker 3: being kind of like a secret time travel film, right,
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  Speaker 3: most of the This is a category we I chosen
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  Speaker 3: in You're not it's not really wasn't really marketed as
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  Speaker 3: like a time travel film. I don't think it just
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  Speaker 3: kind of sneaks up on you. And it's, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: an epic. It's an epic film. Hard not to pick
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  Speaker 3: it in a.
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  Speaker 2: Time travel draft where it would be allowed.
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  Speaker 1: To be picked.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll get into why, I guess as we
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  Speaker 3: progress here, but this is my pick for secret time
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  Speaker 3: travel film.
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  Speaker 2: Interested.
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  Speaker 1: I will say so I avoided this movie in our
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  Speaker 1: draft because I am so emotionally scared of this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you've seen the movie then you probably know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But there's an emotional scarring moment
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  Speaker 1: about halfway through that I have never gotten over since
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  Speaker 1: watching it in theaters, Nick, which really speaks to how
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  Speaker 1: powerful the Nolans are at storytelling and creating empathy for
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  Speaker 1: a character. Right. I don't think we've talked about this
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  Speaker 1: a lot on the show. You know, of the great
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  Speaker 1: American directors, I want to say, at least for me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure for you tune it, Christopher Nolan is
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  Speaker 1: probably among our favorites, if not the favorite great American
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  Speaker 1: director of the modern era.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think he's definitely. I'm pretty sure he's
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  Speaker 3: number one on both our lists.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, easily. And you know, part of that reason,
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  Speaker 1: and again, this is kind of surprising that we've not
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  Speaker 1: talked about Nolan on the show is so you know,
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  Speaker 1: the whole reason why we've done a time travel draft
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  Speaker 1: is Nick and I are huge simps for time travel
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  Speaker 1: as a storytelling convention. And if there is one American
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  Speaker 1: director who seems to share that, it's Christopher Nolan, who
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  Speaker 1: maybe not every film is, you know, time travel related,
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  Speaker 1: but he's pretty well known for having an obsession with
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  Speaker 1: time and playing with the concept of time throughout his
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  Speaker 1: movies with very creative editing. Right. I think just Tenant
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  Speaker 1: and and Interstellar are the only I wanted to say,
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  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, the only films that
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  Speaker 1: actually deal directly with time travel. But he plays with
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  Speaker 1: time in so many different ways throughout all of his films, right,
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  Speaker 1: Memento obviously is the one that comes to mind right away.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, like, I think you can even make
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  Speaker 1: that argument watching the Prestige, certainly the Batman movies, the
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  Speaker 1: way that he edits films to go back in time
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  Speaker 1: and like play with how the storytelling convention is happening
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  Speaker 1: to develop a character. Right listening to him, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a concept he's obsessed with just time as a commodity,
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  Speaker 1: as a resource to use, and man is it evident
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  Speaker 1: in Interstellar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is just to touch on what you're saying
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  Speaker 3: about the saddest moment in movie history, probably halfway through
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  Speaker 3: the film, not to be.
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  Speaker 4: Not to play second second saddest.
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  Speaker 3: Moment too later in the film, which just kind of
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  Speaker 3: crushes you even more on spectively because you kind of always.
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  Speaker 2: Forget that that one's coming.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just like a brilliant.
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  Speaker 3: Way to tell a story. And you know, like there's
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of films where you can remember where
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  Speaker 3: you were when you watch it for the first time.
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  Speaker 3: Like typically like you might really enjoy film and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is awesome, but you don't remember where you were,
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  Speaker 3: or like you don't remember the theory you went to
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  Speaker 3: necessarily you don't remember who you were with exactly. But
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  Speaker 3: this is like one of maybe four films where I
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  Speaker 3: know exactly where I was, I know who I was with,
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  Speaker 3: I know how we reacted crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I actually I think I share that I know exactly
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  Speaker 1: who I was with, I know what theater I was in.
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  Speaker 1: H Yeah, this is one of these films that you
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  Speaker 1: just don't forget. It was truly a mind blowing experience.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like it just makes you really think.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the science behind it and the way
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  Speaker 3: they explain things was it was explained well enough to
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  Speaker 3: where you just you knew what was going on and
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  Speaker 3: you understood the stakes and everything.
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  Speaker 2: And so we'll get into some of the time travel
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Here, but figure so the way that this is going
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  Speaker 1: to go down, Nick and I will of course we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about the film, what we thought really works, what
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  Speaker 1: perhaps you know, we didn't like, and then of course
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  Speaker 1: time travel draft movie. We're gonna talk about the conventions
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  Speaker 1: on the time travel and how well it made sense,
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  Speaker 1: because all too often time travel, it all either makes
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  Speaker 1: sense or it's all a bunch of bullshit. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: figure out where we are with that in this particular film,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're gonna grade it. We're gonna grade it
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  Speaker 1: three different ways. We will grade it based on how
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  Speaker 1: well the director succeeded as far as the movie itself
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  Speaker 1: is concerned, and did he accomplish what he was trying
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  Speaker 1: to accomplish, how well does time travel serve the actual movie?
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  Speaker 1: And then how well did we do in drafting the
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  Speaker 1: movie in this particular category, whether or not it made
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  Speaker 1: sense to draft it in this category or if a
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  Speaker 1: better pick was available.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where we're at, And with that, I believe
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  Speaker 1: it is time for a fifteen second summary, and it
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  Speaker 1: is Nick's turn to do the best that he can
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  Speaker 1: to summarize the space effect of Interstellar in fifteen seconds.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not happy about this.
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  Speaker 1: You shouldn't be good luck trying to summarize quantum physics
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  Speaker 1: in fifteen seconds. Nick, you ready, no, but go ahead
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  Speaker 1: on go three two one go.
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  Speaker 3: Coop is a former NASA pilot who had to become
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  Speaker 3: a farmer because the Earth ran out of food, who
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  Speaker 3: stumbles upon the coordinates for the new NASA and him
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  Speaker 3: and it. He has to go to space and go
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  Speaker 3: through a wormhole to find new planets to help save
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  Speaker 3: the human race.
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  Speaker 2: And his daughter is smart than he is.
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  Speaker 1: Time I knew him, we were in trouble. When you
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  Speaker 1: got to the NASA plot point seven seconds, it's like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: we're not even in space yet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, listen, did it perfectly?
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  Speaker 1: Oh did you?
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  Speaker 4: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: And gravity is the thing. That's the last thing I said,
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  Speaker 2: I missed.
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  Speaker 1: The last part. I'm going to give that. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to give that a C. Yeah, yeah, that's a C.
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  Speaker 1: You got most of the major plot points in there.
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  Speaker 1: You did miss out on the TESTSA act and and
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  Speaker 1: the wormhole. Did you say the wormhole?
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  Speaker 2: I think I mentioned the wormhole.
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  Speaker 1: You might have mentioned the wormhole. I'll give you that one.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the tests act and the conflict of course
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  Speaker 1: of man, and we'll get into that.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, what you want from a fifteen second summary is
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  Speaker 3: impossible in a three hour Nolan film.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just saying I expected better from you. I
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  Speaker 1: gave you an A plus for Donnie Darko, and like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not an easy movie to summarize either, granted it is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Donnie Darco is a very simple film.
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  Speaker 2: He falls asleep, has a dream.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the movie. That is that the movie that
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  Speaker 1: is a BS theory.
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  Speaker 2: That is the only theory that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable. You are the only one who has this belief.
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  Speaker 1: Walking away from Donnie Darko.
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  Speaker 3: The dude, the dude was just was a bad dream
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  Speaker 3: between him dying anyway, continue between between him.
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  Speaker 1: Dying all right, well anyway moving on from wrong opinions.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so yeah Interstellar, Damn, nick I, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: regret not picking this movie in any of my categories.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I wanted to avoid this movie. I
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  Speaker 1: was kind of hoping we wouldn't have to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: I love this movie. I forgot what a what a
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  Speaker 1: cinematic like accomplishment. This movie is insane.
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  Speaker 3: M it's so perfect and yeah, it's like it's as
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  Speaker 3: good of a movie as you would want something to be,
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  Speaker 3: Like if you go to a movie.
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  Speaker 4: Theater, this is what you want to watch, Like, yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so well done.
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  Speaker 3: It's and especially with how he builds a story too,
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  Speaker 3: and how he pieces like you were saying at the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: like he's really good at using time as a commodity
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  Speaker 3: and using it to tell a story. And like this
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  Speaker 3: movie opens basically with characters that we're gonna meet later
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  Speaker 3: or pretty much right after that are younger, right, Like
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  Speaker 3: it opens up with Murph as an old woman telling
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  Speaker 3: the story about the farm, you know, and like when
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  Speaker 3: you're you're like watching like a you know, like a
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  Speaker 3: history video at the.
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  Speaker 2: Very beginning of this film and you're like, well, what's
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  Speaker 2: what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: You don't even realize to lay that that's who is
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  Speaker 3: talking at the very beginning of the film, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like you forget that that even happens. But it's just
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  Speaker 3: such an interesting way to like start something, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know it is and this was this was so sneaky
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  Speaker 1: by him, the Nolan's. But and when I when I
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  Speaker 1: say that, I mean Chris and of course his brother Jonathan,
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  Speaker 1: who who wrote this script along with Chris. They they
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  Speaker 1: love giving you all of the pieces for the ending
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  Speaker 1: of their film right in the beginning. They do it
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  Speaker 1: all the time, and this was one of their sneakier
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  Speaker 1: I think intros, because like you said, you get this
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  Speaker 1: ken Burns style documentary with about like the dust bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Really like it's it's like familiar like of the dust
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  Speaker 1: bowl of like our world, right, and it looks like
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  Speaker 1: they're talking about, you know, our world, but like really
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  Speaker 1: like you as you point out, you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: a point in the future that we the viewer have
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  Speaker 1: not arrived at just yet, but we will, and we
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  Speaker 1: will get to see that documentary again at the very
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  Speaker 1: end of the film and realize we've we've come full circle.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree with you there. I love that
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  Speaker 1: this film. There is a painstaking amount of detail that
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  Speaker 1: is used to paint every part of this movie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's not a single line that's wasted. There's not a
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  Speaker 1: shot that's wasted. The music, We'll get into the music
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later. The score is like very intentional
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  Speaker 1: throughout the entire film in very certain ways that I'm
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  Speaker 1: very excited to talk about. He's one of one of
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan's role models. And it should be obvious just
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  Speaker 1: going into this movie is Stanley Kubrick, who, of course
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  Speaker 1: extremely famous threat cinema history. If you don't know him,
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  Speaker 1: my god, go look that up. Why are you listening
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  Speaker 1: to us listening? Yeah, two thousand and one Space Odyssey
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  Speaker 1: is you know, obviously one of one of Kubrick's huge
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  Speaker 1: claim to fame, and that's that's a movie that clearly
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  Speaker 1: Interstellar is is modeled so much after Cubrick is one
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  Speaker 1: of Nolan's big heroes, one of his big cinema idols,
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  Speaker 1: and another director who's just famous for being so meticulous
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  Speaker 1: about every detail in a movie, and Nolan Nolan I
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  Speaker 1: certainly would throw up there as being you know, really
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  Speaker 1: really zoned in on those details, and in this movie
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  Speaker 1: in particular, like you can you can really see it.
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  Speaker 1: There's that throwaway line from murph in like in the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning where she she talks to her dad and
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  Speaker 1: she says, oh, like she got like he walked in
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  Speaker 1: and she says like, oh, I thought you were my ghost,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and like upon a rewatch, Like what a
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  Speaker 1: mind blowing line that is, right, Or like when she's
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  Speaker 1: in the truck and you know she sneaks in with
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  Speaker 1: him to the NASA facility, she says, you wouldn't even
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  Speaker 1: easier without me, Right, Yeah, all these sneaky little lineses.
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  Speaker 3: That's such a great point too, about it's always fun
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  Speaker 3: when you rewatch something because you get you you get
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  Speaker 3: more foreshadowing than you did the first time. Right, you realize,
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  Speaker 3: Holy ship, like they're they're kind of trying to tell
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  Speaker 3: us where we're going so subtly and uh yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: it said.
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  Speaker 2: So cool. Where where do we start?
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  Speaker 3: This is like the problem with the Nolan films are
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  Speaker 3: there's so much detail that we could talk for five
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  Speaker 3: hours so easy, you know, And we're going to focus
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  Speaker 3: on time travel, but overall, where do you land?
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  Speaker 2: Where are your what are you thinking? What are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I want to I want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: I want We're going to talk a lot about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of this movie, but like I do kind of
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  Speaker 1: want to start with the ending. So because when this
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  Speaker 1: movie came out, I remember that it was a bit
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  Speaker 1: divisive as far as how some people felt about about
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  Speaker 1: the convention of how the human race is saved. And
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  Speaker 1: just as a reminder for anyone just listening right now,
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  Speaker 1: because Nick failed to bring this up in his fifteen
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  Speaker 1: second summary. Now there are there are two plans of
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  Speaker 1: action to save the human race from the dying world. Right,
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  Speaker 1: There's Plan A and Plan B. And Plan A is
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  Speaker 1: to solve the gravity equation, right, which they are they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to create space colonies, but in order to do so,
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  Speaker 1: they need to be able to solve the equation of
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  Speaker 1: gravity of how to create their own gravity, right, in
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  Speaker 1: order to sustain a huge population of people out in
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  Speaker 1: space and the equations proving to be quite challenging. The
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  Speaker 1: only way they could possibly solve it is getting lucky
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  Speaker 1: on Earth, I guess, or if they were inside the
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  Speaker 1: singularity of a black hole. Right. Option B is to
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  Speaker 1: find a world that they could repopulate with human embryos
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  Speaker 1: that they are bringing with them on this space exploration trip.
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  Speaker 1: We come to find out later that Plan B was
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  Speaker 1: always the plan and Plan A is a lie. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: we we get to the end of the movie and
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  Speaker 1: turns out Matthew McConaughey is going to be in the
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  Speaker 1: black hole and we can get heart gravity equation and
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  Speaker 1: the big the big thing that they talk about that
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  Speaker 1: that traverses the cosmos and it extends beyond space time
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  Speaker 1: is a gravity But B. They talk about the human
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  Speaker 1: concept of love being this this factor invariable that makes
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  Speaker 1: it possible for beings of a higher dimension to use
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  Speaker 1: coop to get him to send the the the data
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  Speaker 1: that's required to solve the gravity equation to Murph on
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  Speaker 1: Earth right.
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  Speaker 4: Through Morse code through a fine risk.
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  Speaker 1: Watch right right, right right insane, insane, absolutely insane, And
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  Speaker 1: I think I think there was. I think the divisiveness
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  Speaker 1: comes from people talking about how like love was the answer, right,
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  Speaker 1: and and they wanted, like a hard science movie to
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  Speaker 1: like remain in hard science. Watching this movie now for
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  Speaker 1: the for the second time, because I've avoided this movie
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  Speaker 1: for years for the emotional scarring. I think people who
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  Speaker 1: are hung up on the love thing need to rewatch
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  Speaker 1: this movie because like the hard science is there, and
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  Speaker 1: I think, like love is obviously what saves the day,
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  Speaker 1: but it's love through like the theoretical science of what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And they set the love thing up with doctor Brand,
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  Speaker 3: yeah conversation before they decide not to go to Edmund's
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  Speaker 3: plan and to go to doctor Man's plant instead. Like
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  Speaker 3: that's what's so brilliant about Nolan. Like in that scene,
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  Speaker 3: Coop McConaughey's character is disagreeing with Brand's statement about love
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  Speaker 3: being you know, not quantifiable and like, you know, being
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  Speaker 3: an important factor into potentially saving us. Coop is like, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: you know it, it might.
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  Speaker 2: Be the wrong choice, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And they decide to go to doctor Man's planet because
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  Speaker 3: of the data they currently have, not the data that
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  Speaker 3: you can't see. And then you know, the story unfolds
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  Speaker 3: from there, and towards the end, Cooper realizes that she
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  Speaker 3: was right and that love is quantifiable.
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  Speaker 2: And you can use it to your advantage, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's how he figures out that he can pass a
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  Speaker 3: message to Murph while in this fifth dimension test seract
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  Speaker 3: that's been created.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, it's I.
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  Speaker 1: Think it's also worth bringing up that, like Brand is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely the character that plants the seed for this, I
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  Speaker 1: think who also helps cells this is Doctor Man or
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  Speaker 1: is he a doctor Man as pot.
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  Speaker 2: Man, doctor mant Man, doctor Man.
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  Speaker 1: So doctor Man is a fascinating character in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's one of the more interesting points of
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  Speaker 1: the whole film. So doctor Man, not subtly named at all,
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to represent the downfall of man, and like
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  Speaker 1: the evil that man has in his heart, even if
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: man is not inherently it doesn't seem inherently evil. There
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: is evil in the heart of all man, right, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like that's what they're trying to get across with this
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Heart of Darkness story. In surprise Matt Damon. I remember
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the first time Matt Damon just popped out of the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: capsule watching this in theaters, how shocked I was was
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Matt Damon, And what a great choice since, like traditionally
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Matt Damon is like a protagonist, and he is someone
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that we as Hollywood audiences have come to trust, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: what a great way to abuse that trusty as as
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: he backstabs the crew and his cowardice. But the reason
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: why I bring him up is so earlier in the film,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Brand talks about how she she's so excited about the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: about the mission, and one of the reasons is because
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: they're they're heading into parts unknown and uh, into the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: purity of the unit of the universe. And h Coop
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: asks her about about evil, and she says, well, there
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is no evil because uh, you know, evil is a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: concept of man and we're we're heading to parts that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: humanity has never touched. And Coop says, so it's only
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that which we bring with us, which I think you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: can relate to the line about love, right, And it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that love that we bring with us throughout time and
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: space that that permeates throughout the universe. And like evil
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is just as as powerful, or maybe not just as powerful,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: but like certainly as permissible as it can permeate the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: universe just as easily as love. Can, right, it's that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: which we bring with us, and evil extended beyond space
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and time right all the way to a different galaxy. Ye,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: through this, this tragedy of a man and doctor.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Man, especially because he was supposed to be the best
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: of them all and he ends up being ends up
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: being the worst of them all. And I mean, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: that's like real proof too on how evil can just
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: overtake your thought process, because nothing that he does when
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: he gets woken up makes sense. He had so many
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: times where he could have like told the truth and
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: it could have gone differently, you know.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like this is actually something that my partner brought up.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: She asked, like, why can't why can't he just go
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: back on the ship with them? And I think I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: think there's certainly an argument to that, right, Like he
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: he could have just said, like, guys, there's nothing here.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I was just hoping someone would rescue me, and like
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I realized, like that's going to drain our resources a bit,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: but like I don't want to di low.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I think the reason he didn't do that is because
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: he heard Coop and Amelia talking about because they found
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: out that Plan A was a sham while he was
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: in the same room and then told them the truth.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: And in that moment, he knew that they didn't want
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to go to another planet.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: They wanted to go back to Earth.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And so that's why he decided to like steal the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: ship and try to repopulate and take like the samples
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to repopulate.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: A different part.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I thought he was trying to go back home. I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: thought he wanted to go back to Earth.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: No, I thought he was. My interpretation is that he
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: was going to continue the mission, and Coop was the one.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Koop and Miliar were the ones who wanted to go
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: back to Earth.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: After that because they didn't have enough They didn't have
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: enough fuel to go to Edmund's planet. They had to
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: go either to Earth or to Edmund's planet after doctor
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Mann's planet, right, and when they found out that planet
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: was a sham. My thought was like Coop was going
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: to go home, but he can't go home, and like
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: everyone would have to go home or everyone would have
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: to they can do both.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm see I'm inclined to believe your
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: confidence here, but like I really thought, like, like this
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: man is so cowardly and that he knows that like
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the option that their mission is so fruitless, and that
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like he misses human contact so much that he's just like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: screw it, I'm going back to the burning planet and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I'll die with the human race because like if it's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: if it's what you said the former, there is like
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a certain degree of heroism to that, right that he's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: still going to try and save like the species. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's what he was trying to do,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: especially with like what Coop and Brand end up doing, right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I guess I have to listen to his motivations again.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: But the Coop and Brand thing only ends up happening
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: because he ends up trying to steal the space station
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: or the ship, yeah, and blows a hole in it,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: and then they had to think of like another way
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to figure out how to get back basically or to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you know, for Amelia to get to Edmonds's planet.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Right, So.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows, Maybe it's open to interpretation.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: We'll see, we could do a whole podcast.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Let us know, let's just talk about that scenario.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Please please, Obviously we have to watch the movie again.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I'll you know what I might defer to you on
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: this just because you have seen this movie more than
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I have. So I will defer for now, but yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: please let me know if I'm right. But uh, yeah,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: so love is the big vehicle that saves the day. Honestly,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Like if you are, if you're listening to how love
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is the factor that saves the day? I think I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: think it works for this film, and I think that's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: what you need to I think that's what it should
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: be graded against rather than well, I wanted it to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: just be heart science. I think there is enough heart
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: science for love to be the thing that makes this work,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and empathy ultimately is the vehicle that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: will save this species. I think that's actually a great commentary,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: even like on just like today's politics and geopolitical news,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that empathy is the thing that that raises us as
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a species.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: But even like, but it does go hand in hand
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: because the science. If you take love out of the equation,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the science doesn't complete because there's still yes, they the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: higher the higher beings, which is us figured out a
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: way to create a Tesseract in their fifth dimension. But
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: the only way that you can then still make the
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: science work there is you have to be able to
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: send a message back, right, And the only way that
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: you can know how to send a message back to
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the past so that someone that you love is going
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: to be able to know.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: What to look for is through love.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: There's no other way, Like you can't, like especially with
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the way that they are able to do it, which
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: essentially is like via gravity, Like there is no other option.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: And not only that, they had to send multiple messages
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: throughout time so that in the moment Murph knew that
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: she had to that the watch is where the answer was, right,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Like Coop sends the coordinates first, right, and then throughout
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Murph's life is like knocking shit over on the bookshelf
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to make Murph think that someone's trying to get her attention,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: so that finally when he sends the big the big
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: reveal and the big data of gravity and watch, she
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: knows that. Like when she looks at the watch, she
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: knows that there's a message there. Like, but he had
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: to do that throughout time, you know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Right, And like also like keep in mind that, like
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it has to be Coop and it has to be
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Murph right, right, because the bulk beings as they call them,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: are are counting on the fact that Coop loves Mrph
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: so much that he is willing to sacrifice his relationship
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: with her, no matter how painful that actually is, to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: traverse the cosmos and you know, jump on the grenade
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: essentially and let Brand go off and lived that he
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: ends up in the situation where he's faced with the singularity.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Most human beings cannot do that, As doctor Mann points
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: out that most humans can't extend empathy beyond themselves, right
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: beyond their immediate reach, right beyond the immediate consequences, right
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: whereas Coop could. That's how powerful his love and therefore
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: empathy actually was, and that's what makes the equation work.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also it brings up the question of what
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: happened first, the wormhole or Coo Cooop saving Coop saving
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the eaving.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into this. So I love this. I
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: love this discussion. So I cannot take credit for this idea.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I saw someone online talk about this and I think
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: they are absolutely correct. So if you recall when they
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: enter the wormhole, which, by the way, the wormhole is
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: so cool, so cool, And to to talk about the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: wormhole for a second, it is extremely for the point
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that I'm going to make, I think it's extremely pertinent
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to take note of the fact that they specifically tell
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you that the wormhole is not a two dimensional hole,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that is this three dimensional object. It is a sphere.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's a hole, that's a sphere.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: A spherical hole, a spherical.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Hole, spherical and a spherical.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: It's a hole that you can fall into from any direction. Right,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And when when we're in the the wormhole, you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: there's there is a discussion about how like all time
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: is happening all at once, the past, the present, of
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the future all happening at the same time. Right, Okay,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: we passed through the wormhole or on the other side
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of the wormhole. It is at this point during the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: movie we find out that Earth is sending messages to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the ship, but the ship can't send messages back, right,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And they never explain exactly why that is. They say
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it could be for any number of reasons that they're
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: not able to send them back, and and there is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: this belief on Earth that either a they're dead or
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: b they've abandoned Earth. Right. However, as as this user
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: pointed out on Reddit, what seems to have actually happened here.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So when they go through the wormhole, Doctor Brand has
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the interdimensional handshake with she doesn't know who it is,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but we come to find out the end of the movie.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: It's Coop on his way back after he's exited the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Tests I Act the Singularity, and he's on his way
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: back to the Solar System, right, and he's passing through
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: at a future point in time. Right. Okay, So this
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: user points out that the moment they enter the wormhole,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the mission is successful. As soon as they go in there,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the mission is done because Coop is already on his
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: way back, right. So when they're on the other side
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: of the wormhole, they are One way to think about
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it is the future is fixed and they've already have
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: done what they're going to do. Therefore, they can't they're
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in the future compared to like where Earth is, right,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: they can't send messages back to Earth because they can't
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: change the past at that point. They can't just send
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: messages through the wormhole because they're so far into the future,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: which is why it's so imperative that they're in the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: TESTA Act at one point or Coop is because the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: only way you could interact with the pass is through gravity,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and they were not sending messages through gravity before because
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: only gravity coulture first time, they were sending it via
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, light waves, right or radio waves, same difference,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I guess. So they're so far into the future that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the messages are only just catching up to them, which
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: is why they can't send messages back because it's already happened.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: It's already done.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I love that, Right, Isn't that crazy? And like the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: movie is kind of lying to us because, like the movie,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the way it's edited, it deceives us into thinking that,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: like the actions that are happening on Earth with like
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Murph as an adult is happening tangently with them and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the other galaxy, but it's not. It's we're watching the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: past at that point.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Right, ah man, Right?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Is that wild?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That is so good. That's such a great explanation that
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: answers so many of my questions too.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Like the second they touched the wormhole at the beginning
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: of the film.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: It's successful, it's done.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, then you can just turn the movie off.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: You've seen the whole thing. As a handshake, it's over.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: You edit Interstellar to.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Just cut to the end of the film once they
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: hit the wormhole at the beginning.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Am I trying to do that that sounds like a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: really fun edit.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Hits the wormhole cuts to Murphy Station end of film.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: No, you know what, you know, it would be the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: perfect way to edit that. It's they cut into the wormhole,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Brand reaches out for the handshake, and then you cut
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: to when Coop is doing the handshake and then exits.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah the movies though, Yeah, yeah, movie's over.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I love that. Awesome. That's it. We solve it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: We solved the problem of interstellar time travel science.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Before we we we move on with time trouble. Nick,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: is there is there anything about the movie itself that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that you wanted to get into and explore.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I love the the tars and Chase characters having like
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: these you know, robot this robot intelligence kind of traveling
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: with them through time. Fascinating, really cool addition, I don't
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: have much to say on that other than like, those
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: are some of my favorite characters, you know, and they're
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: just technically robots. And also the use of the like
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: humor settings and honesty settings throughout the film, especially at
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the end when Coop leaves Amelia. Really like Nolan just
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: does a little shit like that in his films that
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: just like.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: They just get you.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Towards they seem they seem like throwaways in the beginning,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and then he uses them in such a meaningful ways
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: at the end.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like, oh, we agreed, we agreed, brand
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: you know, like honestly, I was just thinking.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: About it just there, just so good, so like just
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: a little shit like that.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And of course, like you touched on it a little
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: bit earlier.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: But the score, this has to be one of Hans
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Zimmer's like best film scores of all time, and this
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: is like run of applause. This is as good as
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: it gets. And he's they're so good at like getting
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: you ready for what's coming with the introduction to the
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: score for the moment of the scene, right like the
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: scene where they leave doctor Mann's planet and they're like
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: hoping that doctor Man doesn't dock because if he opens
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: the doc bay when he's docked incorrectly, it's going to
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: cause an explosion, and of course he does.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: He opens it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: There's an explosion, and all of a sudden, like there's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: this like little bit of music starting to play in
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: the background, and you kind of get this feeling that
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: like something crazy is about to happen, like someone's about
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: to do something insane, and essentially it's Coop who decides
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: that he's going to dock on a space station that
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: just exploded and that is spinning at a rate like uncontrollable, right,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: And so you get the score that just starts creeping up,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden it hits like this
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: massive crescendo at the middle of the score where Coop
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: actually successfully docs in this like insane scene, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: and it's just like, you, like, no one can do
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: that score wise, Like.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: It's like he's as good as he as it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Gets from a score perspective, Han Zimmer, So, Like, it's
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: just so cool how they can tell the story with
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: just the music that's going on, right, I mean, there's
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: barely dialogue in.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: That scene that seems like seven minutes long. It's just
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: him tucking.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: It is. It is a riveting scene. You're absolutely right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: The music really drives that scene home. I think that
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the music actually weighs in on you how how life
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and death this actually is about to be you brought up, Zimmer. So,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring up a new favorite thing that I've
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: learned about this movie, and I think it's going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: be yours too, So Hans Zimmer, as you point out, Uh,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: this is this is like Nolan's guy for music. Zimmer
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and Nolan are like the Batman and Robin of movies
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and music, baby, you know, like the Nolan's come up
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: with a crazy story, Zimmer comes up with like a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: crazy compelling score to help really sell the emotion of something. Right.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Something I've never known about about Zimmer, I don't know
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: if this is true, but certainly true in this one
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: specific scene is as we talked about before, the Nolans
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: have an obsession with playing playing with time in their films,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: whether it is literally time travel or just playing with
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like your perception of linear time as they change up,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: like the editing of a film. Right. Inception is a
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: great example of that. So Miller's Planet. What I did
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: not know about Zimmer is apparently he also seems to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: have some sort of obsession with time too, or at
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: least see one of the humor of the Nolan's on
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: this one, because he does something this film I've never
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: known any other composer to do, and he well, I
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, he did it in a way that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a composer do before, which was the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: music plays a very it's not just there to assist
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: emotionally to drive the scene. It certainly does on Miller's Planet. However,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: there is an actual narrative component to the music in
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Miller's Planet that I think is amazing. Shout out to
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: New Rock Stars and that Canadian reviewer who pointed this out.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I believe this is talked about in the book The
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Science behind Interstellar. So the planet Miller's Planet, which is
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the water planet. We are told that time is very
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: relative on this planet and that for every hour that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: passes on the planet. I forgot what the math is
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: it is it seven years?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Seven years?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hour is seven years. Okay, So they know
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the consequences of doing this, and of course, if you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: remember the scene they go down to Miller's planet, they
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: get hit by a wave, the engine gets flooded, they
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: get stuck down there for over over two hours, almost
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: three hours, and they returned back to their mothership to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: find out that they've lost almost twenty five years.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Twenty three years, four months, eight.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Days twenty three Wow. Okay, nice, thank you for writing
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that down. Okay. So, something that's really amazing about the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: music in this scene when they land on the planet.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: The moment the hatch of the ship opens, you are
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: greeted by a slow bit of music and Nick, as
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you pointed out, Zimmer's really good at like having this
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: like very like slow build up. That's something that crescendos
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: into this monumental scene. And in that scene that very
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: much happens. Right, we get this little wood block that's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: very reminiscent of a clock, right, so like already we're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: really stressed out, and then that music swells until we
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: see the giant wave. Right. What's amazing about the the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: woodblock sound that we hear is apparently it is timed
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: out to be one point twenty five seconds, So every
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: one point twenty five seconds you hear the if you
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: keep that going throughout their entire time they are on
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the planet, it checks out with the math that the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: movie has given us for the amount of time that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: they lose. Every one point twenty five seconds is twenty
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: four hours that passes on Earth. So every time you
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: hear that's a day, that's a day. That's a day,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: that's a day. So you are right there with them
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: listening to the amount of time that they are losing
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: as they're on this planet that blew me away.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Oh so heartbreaking, so heartbreaking, man, just like concepts here too, right.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: And then when they finally get back to the ship
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: and I forget his name now the top of my head, Romilly,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, Romilly.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Then but I figured that you.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I started to think you weren't coming back, and then
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: sleeping my LifeWay just didn't seem right, just like, man,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: can you imagine just being.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: There for twenty three years alone? Like, oh god.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Also another great point to bring up in the discussion
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: of doctor Mann. Seriously could do a whole podcast and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: just doctor Man, who says, like a few men have
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: been tested like I have. Romilly definitely was and didn't
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: freaking lose himself right in the same way. Right, what
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a what a good boy? What the best boy?
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Not evil?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I think he's not evil.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: So speaking of Hans Zimmer still on the score, this
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: is something I've seen online a couple of times.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So apparently.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Nolan at the beginning only had.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Like the dialogue where it was like a letter from
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: a son to a father, right, like I don't know
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: if it was exactly the scene where Coop is rewatching
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: you know the videos back about his son, like, you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: checking in. I don't think it was that scene particularly
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: written down, but he had. Basically, what Nolan had was
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: a letter from a son written to his father, and
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: he brings this to Zimmer. He's like, hey, here's a
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: piece of writing I'm doing, you know, read it and
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: tell me what you come up with from like a
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: music perspective. And so Zimmer writes something and calls up,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: calls up Nolan. I think Nolan's wife picked up the
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: phone at the time. But I guess they live close
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: by to each other because they're like, hey, come over,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I've got something.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Of course they're best friends, of course.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think they must live really close because like,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: according to what this video I've seen, like they went
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: to his house like very quick, Zimmer plays a score
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: for Nolan. Nolan looks at him and goes, well, I
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: guess I better write the movie now.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Then he writes Interstellar essentially amazing.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: It's like a Zimmer's telling the story, like told this
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: story online somewhere, so we'll have to find it to
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: it and clip it in.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: But that's that's incredible.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I was like, man, like, all it takes
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: is Nolan to have just like a quick story written down,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: you know, a piece of a piece of a story
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: written down. Zimmer writes the score and then Nolan's like, yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: this is definitely gonna get done.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Then should we get into the time travel questions?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so. And it's so funny because like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked so much about time travel
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: already and we haven't even really gotten into the travel park.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Did it obey its own rules? What are we thinking?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So? I guess it's got a I think we observe
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: like two different, not too different, but two different like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: functions of the relativity of time and how you can
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: traverse it, right, the first being of course, like them
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: being on Miller's planet, and we watch how much time
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: goes by by you know, entering the planet. Right, I
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: guess it's all the same. Really, it's all affected by gravity,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and it's all affected by the black hole. Yeah, it's like, yeah, like.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: The mechanism is really like the ship going through the
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: wormhole and the black hole basically right like that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're right kind of yeah, we see because really,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like the Tesseract isn't really time travel necessarily, it's it's
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: how he's going to interact with the past, right, And
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I think when we when we're talking about time travel
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: in this movie, that's probably what most people are talking about.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: They're not talking about the wormhole usually.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Right, But it's not.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: It's it's a much different time travel than that we're
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: used to in this draft so far, because a lot
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: of the times time travel and time travel movies has
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: to do with like you start somewhere, you go somewhere else,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: you come back to where you started, or you which
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: does happen? Right, Yeah for Coop, Yeah, yeah, like it's
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: but it's not as it's not as straightforward here in
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: this film.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Right, like, and there are multiple there are.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Different time travel sections kind of right, like your Miller's
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Planet is like a specific section of time travel in
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: this movie. Right, Like you're on this planet for two hours,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: three hours whatever it is, and you lose twenty three
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: hours when you get off the planet or twenty three
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: day years when you get off the planet. So like
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: that's like a moment of time travel. But then later
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: in the film they go through the black hole to
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: then end up in this fifth dimension so that you
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: can interact with the past, which isn't directly time travel.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: You're more like interacting with the past, but then that's
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: going to help navigate what happens later. Very confusing kind.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Of but I don't know. It's not cut and dry.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Like like a back to the future where you travel
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: to the past and then you go back.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: They also didn't have I don't think they really cared
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: about the science in that movie. They just had Christopher
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Lloyd spew out as much science arm it as possible.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Right, But in a lot of the movies we've talked
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: about in the time travel draft, there's more of like, hey,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: we're gonna go here and we're gonna come back here
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: where Like that really happen in this movie, right, it's
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: not that kind of time travel.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: It's it's more real.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Right, like you're gonna lose the time and you can't
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: physically go back to where you started, like not with
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: your body.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: At least.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Coop is able to transfer data that he's learned over
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: the years that he's been gone and he hasn't aged,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: but he can't physically go back to where he can't
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: physically go back to the bedroom, like he has to
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: transfer the data to the bedroom. And then murvh has
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: to find him later after she has aged you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: eighty years or whatever.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So great. Uh, yeah, it's that communication with the past
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: via gravity, right, which it's not time traveling, it's time talking, right,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: which I mean he does time travel, but like in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: that specific moment, Yeah, he's.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Time talking, right, it's like time more than travel.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah. I think you know, like some people
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I've talked to you about this movie, you know, say
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that like they found the ending a little confusing or
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: maybe not confusing, overwhelming, and and they liked it, but
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: like they weren't. They were like, yeah, I wasn't smart
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: enough to understand what happened at the end. I think
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: watching it a second time really does help. Yeah, because
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the second time I watched it, like I felt like
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I understood what happened so much better, especially with like,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the gravity equation was really lost
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: on me the first time I watched the movie because
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: of like how overwhelming. So much of what you're seeing
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: is like not just like the problems that they're facing
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: as astronauts, but like the visuals that you're seeing are
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: so overwhelming in this movie. And I don't think that
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that's necessarily a detriment against the film. I think. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: think it captures the vastness of space and the vastness
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: of the problems that we would encounter as interstellar travelers,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: right right, But I could see why someone would have
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a hard time understanding, wait, we're time traveling. But uh yeah,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I mean you pretty much nailed it there. You know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the time travel is the moment that we enter the wormhole,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, this construct that these bolk beings
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: created for us, right, and then again the bolt beings
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: interfering with the tesser Act in the Singularity that allows
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Coop to communicate with the past and ultimately save the
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: future because, as we learn, past, present, future all happening
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: at the same time, which is pretty cool. Yeah. I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: love the Time Travels movie. I think it. I think,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: even if it doesn't try to explain the tests or
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: act like the hard science of the testa act at
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the end, because like apparently you could apparently like it's
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: theoretically possible to do what like the math checks out
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: crazy physically no impossible at this current moment. But uh yeah,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I love that the movie goes out of its way
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to explain relativity and how time travel is possible via
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that right. As complicated as that could be, it does
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: explain it, and I think it does it pretty well.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think for the most part it obeys
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: its own rules too, that it sets within the time
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: travel right.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: So oh yeah, the first time I thought it broke rules.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: The second time, I'm like, nope, didn't break any rules.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, awesome, I've done. I did such a good
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: job picking in my time travel drafting.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: We'll see about that. We'll get to my argument in
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a moment. I think some people like as far as
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: like why why the ending is like so abruptive to them.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: It's like, wait, he's just like in a bookcase behind
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: her bedroom, Like what why is the bookcase in space?
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: But of course fifth dimensional beings creating this construct for
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Coop to enter and traverse time. I guess he is
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: trying time traveling, there, isn't he, because he's going through
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: different eras of IMR's past.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's time traveling.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: But it's still it's just communicative really, like is he
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: gonna write he can't physically be there, right, right?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Right, He's not physically there, but like, yeah, he's viewing
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: different parts of the past, right via gravity and be
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: a light and it's it's neat that Brand actually tells
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: us what this is like. Way in the beginning of
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: the movie, when the exit Miller's planet and Coop is
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: desperate to try and get back the time that they lost,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and she's explained that that can't happen, and he brings
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: up the fifth dimension beings and she says, yeah, but
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: they're fifth dimensional beings like for them, they could access
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: time just as easily as like you and I can,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you know, crawl into a canyon or climb a mountain.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what he ends up doing in the bookcase. Yes, yeah,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: so so fascinating. Okay, let's score this movie. Okay, so
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I believe we score out of five. So our our
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: first category for scoring here is the movie itself. How
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: would you rate the movie? Nick? This was your pick?
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: This is this is the five out of five. It's
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: as good as it gets. It's the best, one of
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: the best movies ever made. I don't think I've ever
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: given anything a five before. This is the first one.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: You know you want there's always room for improvement. Uh No,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I I I almost want to follow you in because
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: like if you can't give a five to something like this,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: What can you give a five too?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: So I'm actually I am gonna follow you in I'm
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: gonna give this movie a five, which I think this
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: is the first time you and I have both gone
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: five and five on on something before. I think this
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: movie pushes the boundaries creatively. It was a huge commercial success.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I think it did exactly what no one was hoping
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: that it would do. And like, scientifically speaking, the renderings
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: of these models is a huge achievement, so cinematically, scientifically,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: historically now because it's cultural touchstone. Yeah, I think it's wonderful.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I can't believe how well they blend science and empathy
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: into a movie. It's it's great. Honestly, Like watching this
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a second time, I think this is one of no
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: One's best films, if not maybe his best. I mean,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: certainly there's an argument for Oppenheimer, but.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: This is damn this is awesome.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I think this is a more complicated movie. Yeah.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: And also this is, like you know, Oppenheimer in many
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Is is telling a story that is true from history, right,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Like it's pulling from a lot of historical data. This
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: is complete creativity using some a lot of science backed.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Things, right.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: But well, I'd almost argue that, like this movie kind
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: of paves the wave for Oppenheimer, right because, like so
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: much of this movie depends on the physics and understanding
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the physics correctly, right, right, Like so much of the
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: story revolves around that. The visuals we see revolves around that.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: So you know, he's always both of them have always
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: had the Nolans have had this, you know, fascination with
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: science and physics. But I would say that, like this
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: is kind of the first movie where they really like
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: dug into it, and I don't think you can have
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Oppenheimer without having a really good understanding of physics. Right.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. It's good point.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So fives across the board, ives across the board. Okay,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: let's do the time travel of this movie. I'm not
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: gonna give this a five, but it's gonna be close.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this. I'm gonna give it a five.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: What am I talking about? How can I not like
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: it obeys its own rules? I think that it This
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: is for me too. Across the board. Geez, you're gonna
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: win the whole draft just because of Interstellar. God, yeah,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: it obeys its own rules. I think it explains the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: rules very well. If you have a problem with the
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: love Thing, honestly go back and rewatch it, because, like
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: if you're grading it against the rules of the movie,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I think it works extremely well. I agreed last last
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: category here, how well it did in the category. The
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: category here being secret time travel movie.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: So this is a little tougher.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a five because like it's
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: not what do you say it's not?
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because like it's.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Not really a secret. I guess once they hit the wormhole,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: you kind of know that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: You know, time will be involved. I'm involved, So yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: At least, like and I think part of the issue
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: for us is we know that your choice for secret
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: time travel is a rival, and that is as close
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: to as a secret you can get from a time
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: travel movie.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: So that is gonna be the one thing that saves
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: me this time travel arrival, is you know we're not
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, that's an automatic five from a secret perspective.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with just like probably a four
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: point three on my end here for secret time Travel.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty close. I'm doing a four here, and I
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: think I think calling it a secret time travel movie.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I know why we would call it a secret time
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: trouble movie, right right, because like the scene with the
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Tesseract is so surprising, right right, Like it's so jarring
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you're like whoa, yeah, like this is some crazy shit
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: we're seeing right now, which I love and I wish
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: more filmmakers would try to be that ambitious, right, So,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: like that's the secret, that's the surprise that we are
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: going to directly interact with the past in a way,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: right right. But as far as like the rest of
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: it goes, like by the time you're on Miller's planet,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like it should be pretty well known, like okay, maybe
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: not your traditional time travel, but we are time traveling
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: in a sense, right the surprises of course the end.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: So like it's still it still works great in the category.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't score as high as the other two categories
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: because you know, like you said, like I said, so yeah,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going with a four here, which yeah, great, great choice, Nick,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: this is crazy and that's definitely the highest we've scored
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: a movie so far on this podcast. Yeah, great, great choice.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I regret I regret not choosing it.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you were just you know, still shell shocks from
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: the first time seeing it and didn't want to cry
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: us and you know, but hey, thank you for.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I cried again. I cried again. Now I will, I will, yeah,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I will be a man on this podcast and admit
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  Speaker 1: that I cried a few times. But like again, that
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: scene with Murph halfway through the movie, it's still as
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: emotionally scary. I cursed your name, Nick, I cursed you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn, nick I. This movie hits
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: so hard and so ending.
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  Speaker 3: To though gets you, Like he walks in the hospital room,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just like, oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I think for me it's it's it's
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the moment when Murph says, it's my birthday and today's
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the day that you told I am now the same
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: age that you told me i'd see you again.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: And then Austin McConaughey just absolutely bawling right right right
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: the meme that's.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: All over the internet. So yeah, as we've already teased up,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: next on the Time Travel Draft is my pick for
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: secret time travel movie Arrival, So be sure to catch that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: But we've got a lot more goodness on the way, Nick,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: What's next on the Horizon for us on the Event Horizon.
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  Speaker 3: Keep a look at we are going to do something
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: called oz Fest where we're going to talk about the
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: original Wizard of Oz. We're going to talk about Oz
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: the Great and Powerful, and we're going to talk about
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Wicked and kind.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Of just Wick.
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  Speaker 3: There all three that'll be coming up here in a
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  Speaker 3: couple of weeks, so keep an eye out for that.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Looking ahead, we've got the ending of Daredevil Born Again.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go through like that whole season once that concludes,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: and and or season two kicks off at the end
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: of April, so we'll do a couple shows about that.
• 57:31
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• 57:36
  Speaker 3: and you can also find us on threads where we're
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: just talking daily about like our favorite things streaming.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: So until next time, pay the Review be with you,
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  Speaker 2: Pea