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NFL REPORT: Super Wild Card Weekend, Bill Belichick’s future · NFL Game Previews

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  Speaker 1: Tory folks from the Saint Louis Rams Greatest show in
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  Speaker 1: term one, Now with the NFL Report.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Reports first Edition, Steve Playoff Edition,
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  Speaker 2: James Palmer, Steve Witch with you on a Tuesday evening.
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  Speaker 2: If you're watching this program, we have tremendous guests. Our
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  Speaker 2: insider Mike Garafalo is gonna give us everything about the
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  Speaker 2: coaching carousel that is happening right now. Is Bryce Young
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  Speaker 2: helping or hurting the Panthers in their search? And Jeff
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  Speaker 2: Shedea will join us. Is Tuta or Trevor Lawrence Steve
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  Speaker 2: Worth a big contract? We'll find out. Also Phil Perry
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  Speaker 2: from NVC Sports Boston, friend of the show, What's Happening
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  Speaker 2: in New England? Does Mike Rabeles departure from Tennessee now
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  Speaker 2: play a part in What's Happening in New England? Steve,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited. It's Wildcar weekend. I'm gonna be at Arrowhead.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not excited for that part because it's Dolphins Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: and it's gonna be about six degree for me while
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  Speaker 2: I'm standing there on the sidelines.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Jap, look, you're you're gonna get a front row seat,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak. But a lot of other folks are
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to tune in to the Peacock Streaming app exclusively.
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  Speaker 3: And coming up also on the show, we're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: Mike North, the NFL's VP of Broadcast Planning, explaining why
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  Speaker 3: this huge game between the Dolphins and the Chiefs is
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  Speaker 3: available only on a Peacock streaming app.
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  Speaker 4: Allan in the shotgun, here's the snap fires over on
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  Speaker 4: the right side and into the end zone for the
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  Speaker 4: touchdown is Dawson Knox and the Bills have the lead
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  Speaker 4: back to pass fires out to the left sideline and
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  Speaker 4: it's an excepted by Taylor Rap the Buffalo Bill steal
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  Speaker 4: the division title from the Miami Dolphins.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, everything we talked about so far as big news,
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  Speaker 3: but in his Bigger News Tuesday, usually a segment we
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  Speaker 3: assigned for Mondays, but we were kind of bumped back
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  Speaker 3: because Monday was a little busy yesterday, So JP bigger
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  Speaker 3: news those Buffalo Bills rallying from six and six to
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  Speaker 3: win the AFC East or the Houston Texans winning the
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  Speaker 3: AFC South.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to Houston Texans, Steve. I know this is
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  Speaker 2: a great story in Buffalo, but they've had success. Success
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  Speaker 2: is a word that has not been used in Houston
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  Speaker 2: for some time. Demiko Ryans the fourth head coach they've
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  Speaker 2: had in the last four seasons. Remember the three seasons
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  Speaker 2: prior to this one, nobody lost more games than the
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  Speaker 2: Houston Texans and went eleven thirty eight and one. And
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  Speaker 2: now they've won the AFC South. Now what this really
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  Speaker 2: looks like to me, Steve spending time in Houston covering
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  Speaker 2: that beat, is that there were fans and I know
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  Speaker 2: this talking to people in Houston that were very weary
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  Speaker 2: of getting back in with their fandom. They were burned
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  Speaker 2: by the Deshaun Watson situation. And now I believe this
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  Speaker 2: has solidified that you have a quarterback in CJ. Stroud,
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  Speaker 2: you have a head coach in Damiko Ryans that is
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  Speaker 2: building something not just this year, but years moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: And I mentioned CJ. Stroud. He doesn't deserve enough credit
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  Speaker 2: even though he's gonna win Rookie of the Year. Three
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  Speaker 2: players in the history of the NFL Steve had led
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  Speaker 2: the led the league in yards per game and touchdown
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  Speaker 2: to interception ratio, Tom Brady, Joe Montana and now CJ.
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  Speaker 2: Stroud and I don't think either one of those guys
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  Speaker 2: did it in their rookie season. So where this team
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  Speaker 2: stands right now winning the division. Give me a number.
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  Speaker 2: How many quarterbacks would you take if you were building
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  Speaker 2: a franchise over CJ. Stroud?
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  Speaker 5: Wow? You know, five? Maybe six?
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  Speaker 2: Five?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm talking about guys you know, like Lamar Jackson,
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  Speaker 3: like Joey Burrow.
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  Speaker 5: There's just there's a couple other dudes.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my guy Rock Party, I've got a soft spot,
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  Speaker 3: But I am taking c J.
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  Speaker 5: Stroud over Rock Partio.
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  Speaker 6: Dak.
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  Speaker 3: I probably would take Dak Patrick mahone was of course,
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  Speaker 3: but he is right in the mix. But to be
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  Speaker 3: the bigger story, it is the Buffalo Bills because think
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  Speaker 3: about this, I mean we talked about when they were
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  Speaker 3: sixty six, people were talking about their head coach Sean
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  Speaker 3: McDermott being out of there, like he let's let's.
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  Speaker 5: Get him out of here. Point, what's going on with
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  Speaker 5: Josh Allen von Miller? What what? What? What's to deal
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  Speaker 5: with him?
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  Speaker 3: There was just so much chaos and controversy around this team.
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  Speaker 3: And then that's when you planted your stake in the
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  Speaker 3: ground and said this team is going to be the
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  Speaker 3: most dangerous team should they get into the playoffs. And
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  Speaker 3: that is exactly what's going on because they're playing a
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  Speaker 3: physical brand of football. What we saw them do against
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  Speaker 3: the Miami Dolphins when Josh Allen was tried to give
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  Speaker 3: give that game away in the first half with all
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  Speaker 3: of those interceptions, and the defense, which was battered and injured,
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  Speaker 3: showed up and they started running the football, gave Davis
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  Speaker 3: the wide receiver in front of the show goes out
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  Speaker 3: with an injury.
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  Speaker 5: Josh Allen says, I'll take it and run it.
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  Speaker 3: Sneak big runs. Their style of football, and what they've
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  Speaker 3: done is going to get them through the playoffs. Look,
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  Speaker 3: they play host now to the Jage to the TJ.
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  Speaker 3: Wattless Pittsburgh Steelers. We think Buffalo is moving on to
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  Speaker 3: the next round. JP, you called the most dangerous team
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  Speaker 3: and someone is about to find out.
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  Speaker 5: All right, number two, JP, Let's get this.
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  Speaker 3: As we're talking about teams that were surging, let's talk
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  Speaker 3: about the team where the parachute hasn't open when they
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  Speaker 3: pull the ripcord. Bigger news the Miami Dolphins injuries and
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  Speaker 3: failures down the stretch when they should have clinched the
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  Speaker 3: AFC East weeks ago, or the Philadelphia Eagles, who just
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  Speaker 3: seem in full blown freefall.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta go with my hometown squad, Steve. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's the Philadelphia Eagles when you say free fall. They're
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  Speaker 2: the first team in the history of the NFL to
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  Speaker 2: start ten to one and not win twelve games. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is a collapse at the end of the season
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  Speaker 2: that really has me shaking my head because if you
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  Speaker 2: ask anybody in Philadelphia, if you listen to what's being
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  Speaker 2: said out of the locker room, you know what it appears, Steve.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have any answers on how to fix this,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's the scariest part about what's going
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  Speaker 2: on right now. The Dolphins, even though they have all
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  Speaker 2: those injuries on the defensive side of the ball, they
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  Speaker 2: still have Vic Fangio running that group. The Eagles wish
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  Speaker 2: they had Vic Fangio. If they wanted Vic fanilch A.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he'll be back there next year. Because they've tried
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  Speaker 2: two defensive coordinators and neither one of them has worked out.
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  Speaker 2: It's a defense that has gotten old very quickly. Up front,
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  Speaker 2: they're not getting the pressure they did a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: They need more out of their youngsters upfront and an
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  Speaker 2: offense that we know has a ton of talent. But man,
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  Speaker 2: there's a couple of injuries there that are holding them back.
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  Speaker 2: There's just a lot of questions with not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of answers. Steve, what about the Dolphins side of things,
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  Speaker 2: because I know there's something you saw in week eighteen
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  Speaker 2: that makes you think this is bigger news.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Dolphins to hear the bigger news.
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  Speaker 3: Their body language was just really bad once they base
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  Speaker 3: ad versity, and it's not the first time we've seen it. Right,
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  Speaker 3: once they get into a tough game, it's kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: oh man, what do we do? You know, the defense
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  Speaker 3: has been as bad as they are, their defense has
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  Speaker 3: been holding up.
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  Speaker 5: I mean you talked about Vic Fangio.
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  Speaker 3: They're down so many edge rushers that they just signed
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  Speaker 3: Bruce Irvin and Justin Houston for this playoff game.
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  Speaker 5: I actually love those signings, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Again, and we talked to We talked about Melvin Ingram
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  Speaker 3: in covers and I joked he looked like the comedian
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  Speaker 3: Robin Harris chasing after Bay based.
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  Speaker 5: Kids back that the day.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what he did, but I mean just just
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  Speaker 3: the way their offense isn't functioning. And yes, they could
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  Speaker 3: get Raheem Mostert and Jalen waddleback and that is gonna
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  Speaker 3: be huge, But then they draw the match up of
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  Speaker 3: playing a great defense with corners who can cover Lugarious
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  Speaker 3: Need should be all pro.
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  Speaker 5: He's someone who's.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna be a problem with Tyreek goes back to Kansas
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  Speaker 3: City where they lost earlier this year, where that Chief
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  Speaker 3: defense by virtue of Trent McDuffie getting that fumble recovery
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  Speaker 3: won that game for the Kansas City Chiefs. For as
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  Speaker 3: much as we talk about the chief struggles, what's going
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  Speaker 3: on in Miami right now just doesn't feel right. Not
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  Speaker 3: saying they can't win this game, but it's gonna take
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  Speaker 3: some special mojo early on in two degree weather for
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  Speaker 3: them to get it going. Yeah, last week JPGA front
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  Speaker 3: you know, you can watch them on Peacock if you uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you don't want to have that front row.
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  Speaker 2: Seat in the No, I'm brave the elements they'll be.
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  Speaker 5: They'll be streaming it in the press box.
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  Speaker 3: Last one, this is this is this story here though
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  Speaker 3: it takes two hands to handle this Burger right here.
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  Speaker 2: Bigger news.
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  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford and the Rams going back to Detroit where
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  Speaker 3: Stafford is just a.
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  Speaker 5: Legend where he really made his mark in the league, or.
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  Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy going to hosting the Green Bay Packers where
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  Speaker 3: he won a Super Bowl as Dallas with that number
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  Speaker 3: two seed tries to advance to an NFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I think about Matthew Stafford going back to Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: I think about the ratings during that Rams Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: in Detroit, how everybody was watching and rooting for Matthew
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  Speaker 2: Stafford to win a Super Bowl. But I'm going with
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  Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy against his own and the Packers. You know why, Steve,
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't think there is a coach in this
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  Speaker 2: postseason that probably has more eyeballs and more pressure on
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  Speaker 2: them than Dallas Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy. Think about this.
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  Speaker 2: They are eight and zero at home this season. You
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  Speaker 2: can't lose your first home game of the season in
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  Speaker 2: the postseason to your former team, Steve, What would Jerry
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  Speaker 2: Jones do if that actually happened. We know the attention
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  Speaker 2: dan Quinn is getting their defensive coordinator around the league
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  Speaker 2: in these head coaching cycles right now, we know the
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  Speaker 2: way Jerry Jones feels about Bill Belichick, Yes we do.
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  Speaker 2: They change possibly happen in Dallas if Mike McCarthy doesn't
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  Speaker 2: win this game against his former team, against a quarterback
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  Speaker 2: and an offense that is playing extremely well. Jordan Love
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  Speaker 2: is playing out of his mind right now, or playing
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  Speaker 2: exactly the way they planned it right who knows. But
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  Speaker 2: what he's doing is he has explosive plays. At times,
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  Speaker 2: he's been down receivers, it's been fine, and to games
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  Speaker 2: they've been able to sustain drives to not let the
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  Speaker 2: other team offense back on the field. Steve right now,
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  Speaker 2: Jordan Love. This season he did something that Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 2: and Brett Favre did not do in their first year
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  Speaker 2: as a shorter in Green Bay. He took his team
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  Speaker 2: to the postseason. He's thrown for more yards, he's thrown
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  Speaker 2: for more touchdowns, he's thrown for fewer interceptions. That's the
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  Speaker 2: player Mike McCarthy has to beat with everybody watching him
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  Speaker 2: in Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, his quarterback Ak Prescott's playing pretty good
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  Speaker 3: football right now. But outside outside of Lamar Jackson, who's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be the MVP. There might not be two hotter
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks right now than Jordan Love and Matthew Stafford.
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  Speaker 5: This has been this has been the most overlooked story.
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  Speaker 3: In the NFL this year, how well Matthew Stafford is playing. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about Pooka Nakua and Cooper Cup, but Matthew
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  Speaker 3: Stafford is the reason why.
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  Speaker 5: Remember last year he had the show, the neck injury,
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  Speaker 5: he had the elbow injury.
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  Speaker 3: He just didn't look right. They thought maybe he was done.
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  Speaker 3: And he has come back and played revitalized football. He's
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  Speaker 3: been just incredible and the run game with Kyron Williams
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  Speaker 3: helps him. But the reason why this is so juicy,
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  Speaker 3: besides him just returning again to where he became a
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  Speaker 3: hero in Detroit, is the ties between this game. Lions
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  Speaker 3: GM Brad Holmes and his assistant GM Ray Agnew came
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  Speaker 3: from the Rams staff. You have Puka Nakua going as
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  Speaker 3: family member, and ny Sewell, we have so many cousin ties.
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  Speaker 3: There are cousins, We have so many ties between these teams.
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  Speaker 3: Jared Goff getting a chance to get some get back
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  Speaker 3: against Sean McVay and the team that sent him to Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: He should be grateful for that instead of being angry
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  Speaker 3: for it because his career has really blossomed under Ben Johnson.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the final part.
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  Speaker 3: Two potential head coaches on this field with Raheem Morris,
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  Speaker 3: the DC for the Rams and Ben Johnson, the OCI
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  Speaker 3: for the Lions, faced facing off.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, Aaron Glen gets and looks also, well.
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  Speaker 3: JP, you know, the biggest conversation we're probably not gonna
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna be talking about it for a while is
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  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, the Patriots coach, who is the greatest to
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  Speaker 3: ever do it at me if you think otherwise. But
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  Speaker 3: coming up, a friend of the show, Phil Perry from
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  Speaker 3: New England, is going to give us more on the
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  Speaker 3: latest at the NFL Report, which by the way, also
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  Speaker 3: is a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve Whitch
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  Speaker 2: once again with you with an old friend of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I got to see him in person recently and it
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  Speaker 2: was tremendous. Phil Perry. He sits top row of the
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  Speaker 2: two story press box in New England. I'm not entirely
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  Speaker 2: sure because the angle's not great up there. Phil. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why you like his We always are bending
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  Speaker 2: down all the time to see everything. You don't see
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  Speaker 2: the big new screen from up there. Why do you
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  Speaker 2: like sitting so high?
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  Speaker 7: It's really a lack of self confidence, James. When I
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  Speaker 7: get to sit up high and I'm above everyone, and
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  Speaker 7: I'm physically taller than everyone in that moment, it just
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  Speaker 7: makes me feel like a stronger, better person. So I
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  Speaker 7: think that's the reason.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Phil, speaking of having like that that authoritative, that
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  Speaker 3: authoritative posture, we know Bill Belichick has had that authoritative
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  Speaker 3: pastor in New England for you know, a couple decades.
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  Speaker 3: The situation there now, I mean, we know it's undecided
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  Speaker 3: whether he's coming back or not.
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  Speaker 5: But just since you're there, if you could tell do
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  Speaker 5: folks want him back? Is there a feeling that he's
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  Speaker 5: wanted back?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I would say, if you're talking about the team,
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  Speaker 7: you're talking about ownership. My understanding is that they have
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  Speaker 7: been leaning in one direction for some time now, and
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  Speaker 7: they are leaning hard towards parting ways with Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 7: When it comes to the fans, Steve, I would say,
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  Speaker 7: somewhat surprisingly, although I understand their reasoning too, it is
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  Speaker 7: relatively split. We ran a poll recently in one of
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  Speaker 7: our postgame shows on NBC Sports Boston, where it was
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  Speaker 7: actually just slightly above fifty percent of our hold contributors
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  Speaker 7: who wanted Bill Belichick to come back, despite the record
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  Speaker 7: this year, despite how it looked last year, despite the
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  Speaker 7: way things have been trending here in Foxborough. But those
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  Speaker 7: within the team, you know, the assumption is, and has
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  Speaker 7: been really for weeks, is that the Crafts will ultimately
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  Speaker 7: part ways with Bill Belichick. I think the reason it
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  Speaker 7: hasn't happened yet is because it is complicated. Are they
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  Speaker 7: trying to get some compensation from whatever team Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 7: is coaching next. There are a lot of moving parts here,
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  Speaker 7: so I wouldn't anticipate we're hearing anything on Bill Belichick for.
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  Speaker 5: A little while.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it's gonna be weeks. But my guess
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  Speaker 7: is nothing today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get back to Bill. Phil Perry from NBC
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  Speaker 2: Sports Boston joining us our good buddy. I just want
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  Speaker 2: to ask you this, Phil, you did those polls. There's
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  Speaker 2: probably not enough time right now because this just happened
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  Speaker 2: to put a poll out there on what the pulse
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  Speaker 2: is in New England. With Mike Rabel now becoming available
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  Speaker 2: with him parting ways, in Tennessee. But overall, right now,
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  Speaker 2: when that news dropped, what's the buzz? What's your thought
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  Speaker 2: in New England as Hey possibly landing as a candidate
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  Speaker 2: for the head coaching position if they do part ways
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  Speaker 2: with Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 7: People here in terms of the fan base, love Mike Rabel.
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  Speaker 7: He was just inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously three time champion here, defensive end, outside linebacker, inside linebacker,
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  Speaker 7: at times, a touchdown machine as a substitute tight end
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  Speaker 7: goal line. So you know, people love, love love Vrabel
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  Speaker 7: here and I thought it was interesting when he was here.
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  Speaker 7: This was in October and he was addressing the crowd
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  Speaker 7: at halftime. He said, we've got a game to go win.
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  Speaker 7: It really felt like he was part of the organization
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  Speaker 7: in that moment while he's still head coach of the
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  Speaker 7: Tennessee Titans. He also pleaded with fans to appreciate what
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  Speaker 7: you have here because it's not like here everywhere else,
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  Speaker 7: and we all know things weren't perfect in Tennessee. I
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  Speaker 7: wonder if Mike Vrabel is the kind of fit that
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  Speaker 7: the Crafts would like to have in that head coaching role,
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  Speaker 7: because they are if they and if they are parting
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  Speaker 7: ways with Bill Belichick, do they want someone who wants
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  Speaker 7: a lot of control, because even though Mike Rabel wasn't
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  Speaker 7: the general manager in Tennessee, it does seem as though
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  Speaker 7: he's clashed with a couple of general managers there now,
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  Speaker 7: and if he were to come to New England, you know,
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  Speaker 7: New England's been a place over the last couple of
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  Speaker 7: years where ownership clearly has wanted a more collaborative process
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  Speaker 7: between the front office and the coaching staff. And Bill
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  Speaker 7: Belichick obviously is GM and ed coach in one body here,
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  Speaker 7: but they've wanted more input from people around Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 7: over the years. Would they be getting somebody who is
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  Speaker 7: going to meet them on some of those requests, some
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  Speaker 7: of those demands I'm sure that they'll have of whoever's
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  Speaker 7: coaching the Patriots next in terms of being willing to
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  Speaker 7: collaborate and providing the kind of transparency that I think
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: they would like after Bill Belichick is gone. That to
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: me is a significant question because I think Mike Vrabel again,
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: I think he wants to be heard, he wants to
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: have his say, and he is, even though he's a
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: younger guy, in a very different personality from Bill Belichick.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: He's a little bit old school now, you know. I
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: don't think we're talking about a quote unquote players coach,
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: you know, so some tough love continuing here in New England.
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: If he were the next guy.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: See if I just wanted to jump in real quick
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: and ask you this, Phil, because I found it interesting.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: You brought up him getting inducted into the Patriots Hall
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: of Fame, and I remember that game. It was a
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: bye week for the Titans. He sat with Robert Kraft
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: in the box in Crafts box, a very rare occurrence
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: for a current head coach to be sitting with another
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: team's owner in a box. And I'm just kind of
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: curious when I look at that, and it's because of
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: his connections too, obviously New England. Do the Patriots if
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: they move on from Bill Belichick, do they want somebody
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: outside of the quote unquote family or they are still
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: looking towards just what they're used to, because those are
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the names that we really only hear keep coming up.
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: It's a fair question, James, especially the way things have
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: gone here of late, there is a section of the
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: fan base that would say, please Craft family, just clean house,
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: just get everybody out and start fresh. Unfortunately for them,
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: based on conversations that I've had with people who know
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: the Crafts and understand their thinking and how they might
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: go about this if and when they're replacing Bill Belichie,
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: Unfortunately for that section of the fan base, I think
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: they're going to be disappointed because I think wherever the
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: Crafts go next, both at head coach and general manager,
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: it's going to be with someone with whom they have
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: a relationship. They are, in my opinion, not going to
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: be meeting someone or finally getting to know someone for
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: the first time during an interview process and then all
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: of a sudden give that person the keys to the castle,
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: whether it's as head coach or general manager. So whether
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: it's Mike Vrabel grod Mayo, to me is still the
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: odds on favorite to succeed Bill Belichick if the Crafts
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: end up moving on or in the front office. Elliott
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: Wolf is very well liked, very well respected. He's the
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: director of scouting here right now. Or Dave Ziggler, who
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: is now available former general manager we know of the
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: Vegas Raiders, he still has a good relationship with the
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: Craft family. Those are the kinds of names that I
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: would anticipate they're looking at whenever Bill Belichick moves on.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: It's so interesting you say that, Phil, because if they're
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: going to keep things the same, why get rid of them?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Unless it's just kind of an individual clash. Now I
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: won't I won't even say class like like a difference,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: because if they're gonna stay in that lane, then why
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: get rid of Bill?
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: So that's a fair point, Steve. What I would say
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: is you are going to get something different if those
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: two names that I just brought up that I think
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: are pretty good bets to be elevated. Again, we'll wait
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: and see what the Crafts ultimately decide. But gird Mayo,
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: if you know, gid Mao, couldn't be any more different
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: than Bill Belichick personality wise. Now, he obviously played under
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: Bill Belichick, he has now coached under Bill Belichick for
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: some time. But I think it would be a mistake
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: to assume that he's going to handle relationships in the
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: building the same way that he's going to try to
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: shape the culture in the same way that Bill Belichick
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: has tried to shape it over the course of the
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: last two plus decades. So you're going to get a
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: very very different person, a different coaching style, and I
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: would say even a different approach to modern football with
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: Girard Mayo if he ends up being elevated. And the
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: interesting thing with Elliot Wall, although he has been here
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: the last several years and a couple of different capacities
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: in New England, he's really not a Belichick guy, quote unquote.
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: You cut his teeth in Green Bay and worked his
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: way up the ladder there, spent some time in Cleveland,
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: so he has a little different background than some others
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: who really been raised at the foot of Bill Belichick
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: and really, as professional coaches, only know one way, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: that's the Bill Belichick way. So those two guys, in particular,
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: I think would give the Patriots something much different.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Phil, I don't know if we're past this. I don't
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: know where they are in terms of meetings between the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Crafts and Bill Belichick. But when they do meet, or
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: if they have met, I don't know how many they've had.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: How much of the quarterback position do you think plays
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a part? Or is this above that like saying, does
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Bill need to present a plan if he were to
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: stay on what he would like to do with the position,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: or is this just even above the quarterback issue that's
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: been there in New England.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: I think it goes above and beyond that. James, although
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: I think it's a key piece to Bill Belichick, will
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: eventually be moving on in my opinion. I mean, you
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: just look at the draft in general, whether it's the
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: quarterback or anywhere else. Over the course of the last decade,
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: the hits in the first round are few and far between.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: It looks like they got one. It looks like they
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: got one this past spring. And Christian Gonzales he played
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: in four games. But again go back over the years,
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: Malcolm Brown, Dominique Easley, Isaiah Winn and Sony Michelle. I mean,
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: it has been, you know, not even mentioning Akuil Harry,
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: it's been a rough go for Bill Belichick over the
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: last ten years in the draft. So that's an issue.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: And would he be willing to give up any sort
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: of personnel power if he were to stay in New England.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: He was asked that question the other day in his
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: season ending press conference, and he made it sound as
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: though the tone, you know, that he used and his
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: answer made it sound as though he might be willing
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: to budge there. But he really didn't say he would
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: be willing to budge, and He'll tell you, I am
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: willing to listen to anybody who's around me, and I've
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: got a lot of people who around me who are
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: helping me. I can't possibly scout all these college over
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: the course of the year. And he's right, but these
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: decisions are ultimately his decisions, and so I think that's
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: going to be a big piece to why the Crafts
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: end up deciding whatever it is they decide at the
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: quarterback spot in particular. You know, going back to that
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: draft twenty twenty one, I was told was Bill was
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: Bill Belichick excuse me, completely sold on taking Mac Jones
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: at fifteen overall that year in the first round. The
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: answer would be null, but it was still his decision.
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: You know, there's been a narrative that's sort of caught
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: on locally here that, well, maybe Robert Kraft forced Bill
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Belichick to take Mac Jones because they really didn't have
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: a quarterback. They're just coming off a tough year with
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Cam Newton as their starter. Not the case, is my understanding,
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: at least having spoken to people who are in the
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: room that night, they all decided, is he maybe Andy
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: Dalton and is that not necessarily superstar quality. Yes, that's
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: essentially how they thought of him. But they also knew
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: if we don't take a shot on a quarterback, we'll
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: never hit. We're in quarterback purgatory. That's the word that
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: was used in recent conversations that I have had with these people.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: They thought they were in quarterback purgatory and they needed
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: to take a shot at a quarterback. And Bill Belichick
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: was included in that decision, and he was the guy
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: who who ultimately pulled the trigger there, so drafting him,
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: not developing him properly, surrounding him with the right pieces.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: I think all of this stuff will factor into the
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: Craft's decision, but it goes well beyond the quarterback spot.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Fascinating, Phil, fascinating, appreciate it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Jumping on.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like Steve were Phil on pretty much every
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: show moving forward until decisions made so clear your calendar, Phil,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, buddy.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Thanks Phil.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: I'm always here for you guys. Thanks for having me.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks mat Hey. Coming up on the NFL report, there's
• 23:38
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• 23:40
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• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with you, and here are your head coaching vacancies right now,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the one at the bottom. Mike Rabel just happened on
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Tuesday as he departs the Tennessee Titans, and Mike Garafolo,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the NFL Reports NFL Insider joins us now, and Mike
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: has been all over every aspect of these coaching searches.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And there's one name that had just won a big
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: game in the college football world. Mike will get right
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to it. In Jim Harbaugh, I just have to ask you,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: because I've been watching you crush it on NFL Network.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Nice little, you know, compliment from your boy here, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: what you have to say about Harbor and the situations
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: that he's walking into in the situations these teams are
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: walking into by wanting to look at him and have
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: him be a potential candidate. I'm just curious. They know
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: who he is, they know he wins games. Do you
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: just let him be who he is? Or do any
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: of these teams try to, I don't know, change him,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: do something. How does the search go when you know
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: so much about a guy that's so complicated.
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: Well, a lot of teams don't know that much about it, right,
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: I mean they've they've heard things from Afar and that's
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: part of the process, is having those conversations with those
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: who have worked with him before and the organizations that
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: he's been with. Organization, certainly in this case with the
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: forty nine ers that he's worked with. We know how
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: things ended there with the forty nine Ers that last year.
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: I remember it was week one the reports were coming
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: out that this was going to be Jim Harball's last
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: season with the forty nine ers, Like, how do you
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: exist as an organization for that entire year?
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: So the feedback they're getting is not it's not.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: All negative, right, I mean, yeah, Jim Harball won a
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: lot of games.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: He went to the Super Bowl, he almost won the
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: So and the year before was against the Giants in
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: an NFC championship game that they could have easily won
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: if not for a few mistakes in the rain that day.
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: So you're gonna get feedback if you're going to asking
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: people who have worked with Hardball before that. If you
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: want to win ball games, Yeah, that's great, But don't
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: expect that you're hiring this guy to be your coach
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: for the next I don't know, what's it been fifteen
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: years John Harball has been with the Baltimore Ravens. That
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: Harball's a little different than this Harball. He's gonna wear
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: out as welcome eventually, but in the meantime, you're gonna
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: win games. So I keep saying, of all these openings
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: right now, the one that to me makes the most
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: sense for him is the LA Chargers because they've got
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: the makeup of a team that can compete right away,
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: particularly at the quarterback position. I wouldn't if you're looking
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: to hire Jim Harball and you are a team that
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: is looking the draft a guy and maybe rebuild in
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: a lot of the ways, like let's say they're doing
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: in Washington, that doesn't seem to be a good fit
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: to me, So we'll see where it goes. But if
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: I'm Jim Harball too, I kind of look at it
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: and say, hey, Chargers already made the win right now
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: as well, So to me, that would be the one
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: that makes the most sense.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It's nice.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be interesting because they've got the quarter You know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: we know Harbaugh's a builder and rebuilder of programs. They
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: got the quarterback with their record says that program needs
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: to be built back up. Here's an interesting one because
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: of course he's been tied to the Raiders as well.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: You know, he hired Don Yee as his agent. Donie
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: was Tom Brady's agent. Brady's got the relationship with the Raiders.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: But regardless if Antonio Pierce the interim coach, if he
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: doesn't get the job there, and we know he's in
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the running, how come we're not hearing any request for
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: interviews for Antonio Pierce because he seems like someone who
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: this year has.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Got his locker room behind him and he won some
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: ball games.
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, he's a little bit outside the box because
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: he came from linebackers coach right through being a coordinator.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: Mark Davis said he was intrigued by the idea.
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: He also came in and said, I'm going to do
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: the whole Raiders thing, right, that's me, That's.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: Who I am. He's genuine about it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Great point.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: So it's gonna rough people the wrong way. Look, Steve, am,
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: I gonna have to speak in code on this one.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I just might have to.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: That's gonna rub some people the wrong way.
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: Or he's not going to be many people's idea of
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: what a head coach should act like. Right, But you
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: know what, sometimes out of the box thinking and out
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: of the box hires.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, Mike McDaniel that higher down in my enemy.
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: That's not the idea of what a head coach looks
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: like or acts like, or anything to that end. And
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: he's done a phenomenal job so far, so sometimes he
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: gotta think, like, hey, maybe we don't have to keep
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: looking for that cookie cutter idea of a head coach
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: that we've had for a number of years.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: But it's also the right fit.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: So to answer your question, why are we not hearing
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: those interviews elsewhere?
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: And what happens if he doesn't get the Raiders job.
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: Obviously he wouldn't remain on the staff because the new
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: coach wouldn't want that looking over his shoulder. I get
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: that he's still a great football mind. It's not to
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: say that he's just this personality. I mean when he
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: was a player, we talked about him as a coach
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: on the field. He's got a great grasp of the
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: ex's and os. I think I'll make a terrific assistant
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: coach and maybe even a core at some point that
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: maybe rebuild the resume for another chance down the line.
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: But it just everything right now is geared toward him
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: getting that job right now with the Vegas Raiders.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Let's jump over to Carolina. Mike, I'm curious because we're
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: looking at all all the guys are looking at in
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: terms of a GM vacancy, and then they're going to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: fill a head coaching spot as well. When everybody's looking
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: at this and you're making calls, is Bryce Young helping
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: this in terms of people being interested or is he
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: hurting this in terms of being interested with the way
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: this first season went with him.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Question?
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: Well, here's what I think is hurting it more than
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: anything is the lack of firepower at the top of
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: the draft that they gave up to get Bryce Young. Like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: if you had him and you still had a first
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: round pick, it would be a much different story. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: I think that's hurting more than anything. He also, in
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: a lot of ways, was a lot of people's thought
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: as the top quarterback in the draft last year, not
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: just the Carolina Panthers.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: I guess. I mean, I don't know if I would
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: call it consense. I don't remember the exact numbers.
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: It was closer to fifty to fifty certainly than it
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: was to one hundred zero the other way between him
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: and C. J.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Stroud.
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: So there are those who are out there and say, hey,
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: once I get a hold of Bryce Young and we
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: improve the talent around him. That was something even before
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: Frank Wright got hired that Frank Reich exactly. Listen, you
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: want to know what a coach thinks to himself, ask
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: him about, Hey, how's this guy doing.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: I'm not as good as if I had him. You'll
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: get that a lot short.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: But even before Frank Wrhich got fired last year, the
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: notion amongst the staff there and the personnel people there
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: was we'll just wait till we surround him with talent.
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: So that'll be the belief for whoever winds up taking
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: this job.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: There is interest in it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: I thought coming into the hiring cycle that this was
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: going to be one of those I'm not touching that
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: with a ten foot pole because of what you're asking
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: me about with Bryce Young and also David Tepper, because
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: a lot of people may be seeing some stuff from
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: Afar and not know exactly what he's like to work
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: with him. But there is reciprocal interest in this job,
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: maybe a little bit more so than I thought there
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: was going to be.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Well, Mike, you know, there's always someone gonna take you
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: one to the thirty two, and there's always usually about
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: five or six million dollars a year. That also is
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: nice incentive for these guys to do it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: And Mike every day.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: We'll let people know that we can catch you on
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the inside aslong with your buddies Ian Rappaport and Tom
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Pellisero and Judy Bautista.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: We also love having you.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Here as the NFL Reports insider.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Great stuff. I love the stuff on Antonio Pierce brother.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: That was really really good stuff.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: Bro.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: That's right coming up next, we got the cheat that's right,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: We've got the dolphins, but you better have peacock if
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: you want to.
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  Speaker 5: Watch them up.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Next, we're gonna find out why this game is only
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: on a streaming app on the NFL Report. All right,
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  Speaker 3: welcome back to the NFL Report, and those of you
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  Speaker 3: watching you can see the Super wild Card weekend schedule.
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  Speaker 3: We got Brown text on Saturday Saturday Night, Dolphins Chiefs
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  Speaker 3: eight pm on Peacock, the seeming app that is exclusive
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: on Peacock of course, Dealers, Bills, Packers, Cowboys, Rams, Allions, Eagles,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and Buccaneers. And here to explain more on how the
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: schedule was put together and some of the other machinations,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: we have the NFL's VP of Broadcast Planning, Mike North. Mike,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. And first off, Mike, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I thought there was gonna be some wizardry board behind you.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: But all we're seeing in some articles on a Michael
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: sam Jersey. Now, we thought there was some crazy like
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: metric computer behind you that made this happen.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, there's another room with our scheduling board. Although the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: truth is the scheduling board you know, it's a relic
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: of a by gone eric. You guys both remember Valt
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Pinspeck who used to literally build the NFL schedule One
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: game at a time, one tag at a time, So
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: much more of it is done now, you know, with
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the software trying to take into account factors that we
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: never could have considered back in the day, and you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: we're doing our best. I'm not sure it's perfect, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: seems to be hitting most of the right buttons. If
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you think about this season, you know, most of our
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: network partners viewership numbers are pretty good, had some real
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: kind of high water marks with like that Chiefs Eagles
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Monday Night game, or Thanksgiving or Christmas. Again, there's been
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: some real good stuff and excited to see it start
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to pay off now in the postseason.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Mike, I'm curious Sunday. Everybody is just waiting to see
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: who plays when, on what network, what happens. How does
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Sunday kind of unfold? Especially when you had going into Sunday,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: what was it, twenty teams with a possibility of going
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: into the postseason. How did Sunday kind of break down?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And how does it go to being finally given to
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: us Sunday night.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, remember it's not even just Sunday, right, it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: starts on Saturday. We had two pretty compelling games on
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon kind of use Saturday, as those call them,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: an appetizer, a little amuse booche if you will, a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: little win and get some help, or play to stay alive,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: something like that. So Pittsburgh's a great example. They were
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the perfect Saturday game. They had to win, they knew that,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and then they needed help and they needed either Jacksonville
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: or Buffalo to get beat on Sunday for them to
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: know that they were playing Houston, Indy a little different.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: They knew the winner was in, but they were both
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: still eyeing the title. So interestingly, when Jacksonville lost, you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: know that benefited both of the winners some Saturday and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Buffalo on Sunday night, even though obviously they played their hardest. Look,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: we're trying to sequence all of the final weekend of
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the season to be you know, cascading games with playoff
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: implications over and over and over again all throughout the weekend.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Saturday play to stay alive, Sunday play and get some
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: help clinch a couple divisions early come into the late window,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Dallas playing for a division title, green Bay playing for
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a playoff spot, and then culminating with that last game
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of the season, hopefully a winning in and rendered bulletproof
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: from any of the previous results of the weekend. So
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, no matter what, when you get to kick
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: off a Sunday night, somebody's winning in and we're just
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: kind of watching the whole day playout, just like the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: rest of the fans are, and like, oh okay, now
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: this means they've clinched, and this means they're the two,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and this means they're gonna end up playing those guys,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and oh man, we might end up with that Rams
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Detroit Stafford returns game on Wildcard weekend. And if we do,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: what's the best use of that asset? Is it Sunday afternoon?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Is it Sunday night? Saturday? Is it Peacock?
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  Speaker 6: Is it Monday night?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And so the way the wild Card weekend comes together
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: is we sort of work backwards. We work backwards from Monday.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: We've been doing the Monday night Wildcard game. This will
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: be the third season, and that creates obviously some extra uncertainty.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: You win on Sunday of wild Card weekend, you don't
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: know yet maybe who you play on divisional weekend. That's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: new for us. Having the Monday game be a four
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: seed versus a five minimizes the uncertainty. Everybody else knows
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, and somebody's gonna play the winner of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the four or five game on Monday. So we like
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a four or five game on Monday night. Someday we'll
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: play a three to six or a two seven, but
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: this year we had a pretty good one in Philly Tampa. Now,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the winner of that Monday plays the following Sunday, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you're either playing San Francisco the one seed, or maybe
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Dallas or Detroit, depending on if the seeds hold. You know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you're always building wild card weekend with an eye towards
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: divisional weekend, backing up from Monday to Sunday. Dallas Cowboys,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. That sure sounds like Sunday afternoon four
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: point thirty, kind of right where it belongs. And then
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you look at the rest of the games and they
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: were all pretty interesting. I mean, Cleveland Houston is got
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a ton of storylines, not to mention Deshaun Watson, who's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: not even playing. And then you get to Miami Kansas City,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: a little rematch from the game that was over in Germany.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: You've got Pittsburgh Buffalo they played in the playoffs a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: few times, never in Buffalo, though I don't think, and
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: then obviously Stafford returns to Detroit. Any one of those
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: would have made great sense for Sunday one o'clock Sunday
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock Saturday afternoon. We were almost kind of lucky
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: enough to have a Kansas City Chiefs game that we
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: felt like we could afford quote unquote to put on Peacock.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You know, Peacock's important strategic benefit of having that as
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a viable home for our games. They did a regular
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: season game this year, they'll do a regular season game
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: next year, and want this wildcard game to be successful.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: One way to help ensure that, hopefully, is to put
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a Patrick Mahomes game there.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, let's stay right here on
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: this game because it is exclusive. You've seen some of
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the talk about eleven Pro Bowlers in this game, not
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: just Patrick Mahomes. I mean, this is a star start
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: of a game as we have this weekend. But the
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: decision to put it on the exclusive streaming app has
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: created controversy. We can't see it on cable, we can't
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: see it on network. What about this route because we've
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: seen it before? I mean, is this a gamble of
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: any sorts of alienating fans. Or is it just, hey,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: this is where things are going in the world, let's
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: get ahead of it. Or is it let's force people
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: to the streaming app.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, force is a tough word, but I think your
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: first two points are right. Is it a bit of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: a gamble. I don't know if i'd call it a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: gamble as much as an experiment. And is this where
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: television and sports viewership is going?
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  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're you're hinting at it, you're
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: alluding to it. Think of what we've done over the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: last few years. Right, A couple of years ago, when
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: we put the Thursday Night package exclusively on Amazon, there
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: were the naysayers out there, I'm not going to get
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that streaming service, so I'm not going to watch Thursday
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: night football. The NFL is making a terrible mistake. The
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Thursday Night Package on Amazon this year performed really well
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: comparable to broadcast network. They average thirteen million people watching
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: every week. That sounds like a network television broadcast home
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: for NFL games. So I think we can put Amazon
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: in the success category. You know, it wasn't that long
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: ago that when we moved a Wildcard Game to ESPN,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: and everybody said, this is a horrible mistake. You're taking
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: it off of free television onto paid services. And ESPN's
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: obviously here to stay, and in fact, they're moving to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the divisional round. So now ESPN simulcast on ABC to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: be fair, but ESPN's got a Wildcard game and a
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: divisional game for the first time ever. And if you
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: go back even further, I mean, some of us are
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: old enough to remember when we first put you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: gas on cable, when we first put that Sunday night
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: package on TNT and ESPN. This is the late eighties,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and everybody thought that was going to be a terrible mistake,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and it sort of seemed like those broadcast outlets were
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: going to be viable in the future. Is it a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: bit of a risk, yeah, Is it a bit of
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: an experiment, definitely, But it sure seems like this is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: where things are going. Who knows what the you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: terrestrial linear television world looks like three years from now,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: five years from now, eight years, ten years from now,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: when we renegotiate our media deals, find that some of
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: these streaming services not only are viable, but even really preferable.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So I think this is more just about, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: kind of seating the marketplace. Certainly, we've got some work
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: to do to inform the fans and make sure they
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: understand this is truly streaming only. It's it's not going
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to be on over the air television unless you're in
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Miami and Kansas City. As you guys well know that
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: games are always on free over the air television in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the markets of the competing teams. But yeah, look, is
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: it going to do twenty five thirty million people? Maybe not,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: But is it going to be the most streamed sporting
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: event in history?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: We think so.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: We just accomplished that goal with the Amazon game with
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks Cowboys just a few weeks ago. I think
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: we're going to find that this Miami Kansas City playoff
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: game on Peacock is going to be the most streamed event,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: most streamed sports event in history, and that'll be another
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: bar for us to try to climb over in the future.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: And by one thing we find out about NFL fans,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: if they want to see a game, they're going to
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: see a game.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: If they want to get to a stage game, they'll
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: find a way. So Mike, we.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you breaking down so much of this, and especially
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: the streaming aspect of it, because we here at the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: NFL Report are a streaming show as well, and we
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: like the fact that we're exploring this frontier.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: So thank you so much.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: The fans are finding you. It might take a little
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: social media engagement, it might take a little word of mouth,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and some of us may need help from our kids
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to download the right app, but this is where the content.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Lives in some capacity. That'd be great.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, happy, all right, I appreciate you, Mike, thank you
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: having good block a weekend man. All right, going up,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen and those Buffalo Bills. They're an exciting team
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: to watch. But what Josh Allen are we going to
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: see in the postseason? The one who gives up the
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: rock or the one who makes us want to watch.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: We'll have more for that on the NFL Report.
• 41:12
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• 41:22
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• 41:24
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• 41:27
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• 41:30
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• 41:38
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• 41:41
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• 41:45
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• 41:48
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• 41:52
  Speaker 3: All right, back with the final block here at the
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: NFL Report, I'm Steve White and James Palmer and Jeff
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Shedia once again is back for his weekly appearance in
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: his University of Michigan glory.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: You wash the shirt, Jeff.
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: No need only busted out for the big wins Ohio
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: State national championship.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: There you go, there you go real quick. This is
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: Jeffs first second.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Make sure to kept Jeff's column on NFL dot com
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: first read. Also, since we're talking about multimedia platforms, the
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: NFL Report is also a podcast. But Jeff, we're coming
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: to this weekend and we see the Buffalo Bills.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: They are absolutely rolling.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: They get to play host to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: we know are wounded, especially on defense.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: But Josh Allen Man, he giveth and he take it away.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: What do you think we're gonna see or we're gonna
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: see anything different out of him.
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: You know what, Steve, You look at his track record
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: in the playoffs, and no matter how crazy he gets
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: in the regular season, he typically bearged down and gets
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: a lot steadier at that time of the year. And
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: he's played some of his best football in January. So
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: that's what I'm expecting. And I know what happened in
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: Miami was bizarre to watch. It was the full Josh
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: Allen experience, the returnover that could have killed this team,
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: and then it comes back and makes a multitude of
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: greet plays to get them the win into fourunder yard
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: to total offense. And the stuff he can do is
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: just things that end up playing well in the postseason.
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: And I totally agree with Somebody told me this earlier
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: this week and that if you want to win playoff
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: games against Baltimore or Kansas City or whoever else San Francisco,
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: your quarterback has to do special things.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen can do those things.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Well said.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yep, as well, that is well said. And listen, everybody
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I've talked to you up in Buffalo, Jeff says the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: same thing. If Joe Brady and He's been able to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: do it, get Josh Allen in a rhythm. That's when
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you just see him kind of find that groove, like
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: almost like a shooter right in basketball, Like he kind
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: of finds that rhythm and he'll pull up from anywhere.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about two other quarterbacks. I witnessed one first
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: hand that was a part of a massive collapse. That
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: was Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars. I was in
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Nashville to see that one firsthand. Him and Tua Tounguea
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Baia Looa are on really the precipice of their first
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: big contracts. Are they worthy of them? In your mind?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Big quarterback deals.
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: At this point, I'm not sure about either one. And
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: I'm going beyond the numbers here. When I look at
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, those quarterbacks
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: justin Herbert's in that category. Now you see them doing
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: things that really elevate their teams at certain points, and
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: I just have not seen.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: That consistently from Trevor Lawrence or Tua.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: And I like them both. Trevor Lawrence, especially when he
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: was coming out of college. I always felt like he
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: was a quarterback who played well when he had a
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: lot of great players around him, and now you're seeing
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: him go through some of that diversity and he's.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Just not I was right there. Yeah, yeah, I'll say this.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: It's been hurt, banged up.
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: You know that got a half for the season, so
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: you want to give him pass and too face the
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: same kind of thing with his health. But I think
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: the worst thing that could happen to both these guys
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: is a guy named cj. Stroud Because now when you're
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: talking about giving out big money, if you're an owner,
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: you're looking at, well, these they're not Kim. It's not
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: like you're talking about Joe Burrow or Lamorrow or Patrick anymore.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: It's like not even C Joe Stroud level. So I
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: do have some concerns about how they perform if they
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: deserve those kind of numbers.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: So let's follow that up. Then what do you do
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: without them?
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, do they get the big
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: the Joe Burrow contract? I don't know, but it's like, Okay,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: if we were to kick them out of the door,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: we could be in the same situation. Not a lot
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: of these other teams are who are just hoping to
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: find it. So is that Is that more of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: conundrum for a general manager approaching a decision like this
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: than anything else.
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: Well, look, I think we've got recent history to see
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: how it can go. And I'll give you names like
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: Jared Goff and Carson Wentz and Colin Kaepernick quarterbacks who
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: I think are in that same level that both these
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: guys are at where they you see some positives, you've
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: seen some improvement, you're seeing the way the team can
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: play around them. They're both obviously well liked within the franchises.
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: They're good people, but then you start paying them those
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: kinds of numbers, and if they don't perform, it can
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: have a huge negative effect on your franchise. You know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: say what you will about Josh Allen, and he's probably
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: the best example you can give him. A guy who
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: can frustrate you and make you exhilarate you at the
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: same time. But he's done it in the playoffs and
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: he's got that look in his eye when when when
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: the ice get big, and I just don't I haven't
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: seen that again from Tool or Trevor Lawrence, and those
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: limitations are should be a big factor in those negotiations.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff, I look at Jacksonville, and this was supposed
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to be a massive leap for Trevor Lawrence this season.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm looking at that as well. It's year
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: two and Doug Peterson's system. We were all giving him
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: just a mulligan for the year that he had with
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Urban Meyer, but they thought there was gonna be a
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: big jump this year, and that just it's almost the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: same year that he had a year prior when he
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: was the first year in the system. So I think
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that's why people are sitting there going, well, what what's next?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: And you see the moves that really are happening in
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville because that is the number one thing that they
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: need to focus on. Let's stick to the position. I'll
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  Speaker 2: get to Harbor a minute. Maybe I'm putting them off
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  Speaker 2: for a reason, but let's stick with the quarterback spot
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  Speaker 2: and look at Joe Flacco. This was Steve's idea, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's brilliant. If Joe Flacco makes a run
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  Speaker 2: for Cleveland in this postseason, does Kevin Stefanski Steve's pick
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  Speaker 2: for a Coach of the Year and a lot of people's,
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  Speaker 2: does he have the stones to say, Hey, Joe Flacco,
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  Speaker 2: you're coming back into this locker room, even though we
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  Speaker 2: have Deshaun Watson and we're gonna have you both in
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  Speaker 2: that quarterback room.
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  Speaker 9: Ah, that's a tough one and.
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  Speaker 6: Go through.
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  Speaker 9: I was like Steve to ask Jeff this scenario. I
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  Speaker 9: personally would not do it. I know what you're getting at.
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  Speaker 9: But Joe Flacco being almost forty years old, you just
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  Speaker 9: don't know when the it's all going to fall apart
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  Speaker 9: for him, and it's been a fun It's me it's
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  Speaker 9: been the best store of the second half of the season.
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  Speaker 9: I imagine that he would have want to be looking
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  Speaker 9: for an opportunity to play as a full time starter somewhere.
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  Speaker 9: So it's not just about the Browns, banking and brackets
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  Speaker 9: about what he would want for himself. But I just
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  Speaker 9: think you've invested in DeShawn Watson in some ways. You've
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  Speaker 9: probably given to Sean Watson another reason to go out
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  Speaker 9: and get better and come back and perform at a
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  Speaker 9: higher level. But yeah, I just tell him, at forty
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  Speaker 9: years old, Uless, you're talking about Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 9: I would not make that kind of investment.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you think he has.
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  Speaker 2: A market elsewhere, Jeff, right now? Yeah, you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: Teven Nee Cordy.
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  Speaker 9: I think if you go start for some place next year,
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: he's on lead based on what he's done.
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  Speaker 5: Well, at least you bring him in as reliable backup.
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  Speaker 3: But I tell you what, he is won of the
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  Speaker 3: hearts of the folks in Cleveland and that game against
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  Speaker 3: the Houston Texans. The storylines are awesome and he is
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: leading that case. Jeff Todia, thanks so much. We're not
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: gonna get to Jim Harball. We'll talk about him later,
• 48:47
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• 49:10
  Speaker 3: But on Thursday, we are loaded. We are gonna have Deebo, Samyard,
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• 49:18
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• 49:22
  Speaker 3: We're not gonna tell you all of them, but JP,
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  Speaker 2: Wild Card Week