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REWIND: The Greatest Moment in Pittsburgh Sports History · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Pittsburgh Sports Memories.
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  SPEAKER_01: As usual, uh, it's your co-host, Steve Wirt, and I'm Tim Hannon.
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  SPEAKER_01: And on today's episode, we're going to be covering the biggest moment in Pittsburgh sports history.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: So um, what could it be?
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh it's the I would say it's one of the more improbable moments in the history of uh sports in Pittsburgh, and it's still celebrated annually to this day, believe it or not.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh any guesses, Tim, on what it could be or well, I guess you already know because I told you the topic from the podcast.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: So uh that would be Bill Mazarowski's home run in the uh seventh game of the 1960 World Series.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: So even though this is something that kind of happened before both of our times, it's definitely something we want to cover and it's a fun moment.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just uh it's i I mean, we'll kind of go over this at the end, but um, yeah, it's definitely you know, we'll we'll debate how big a moment this is in the I guess, what would you say, the uh the history of Pittsburgh sport.
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  SPEAKER_01: So without further ado, let's uh jump into this topic here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so uh just for some background, since 1960 was duh da 52 years?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is my math right on that?
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're more of a math guy than I am, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's 62.
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  SPEAKER_01: 62, wow, 10 short.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, wow, 62 years.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: So this thing's like three years away from Social Security, five years, 67.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's getting close to retiring, you know, putting it in its time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so what was different 62 years ago in baseball?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that'll be the equivalent of like baseball in 1900 from today, right?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So like you it's like talking about when Honus Wagner played back then, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's a that's a long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: In uh in 1960, uh the season that uh baseball had was only 154 games.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they did not have now they have a hundred and sixty-two game season.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it was definitely um a little shorter season by what was that six, eight games?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Eight games, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then um I think also like what is this October?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think it happens October 13th, so the season was definitely over way earlier.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: That that's the seventh game of the World Series, is in mid-October.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now what they go to like, you know, Christmas.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um a big reason for that was besides the shorter season, um, there is no wild card, there's no play-in game, there's no, I don't know, championship series.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: We will have none of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You win your pennant and you go right to the uh World Series.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't collect glow, you don't, you know, you get$200, you just go right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're hey, you're in the World Series.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um also another big difference was the mound, the pitcher's mound, was 15 inches higher, and people say, who cares about that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it actually makes a big difference because it's in a big advantage for the pitching, because it's like you're pitching downhill, you can get more, I guess it's easier to throw harder, and I'm sure the balls would break.
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  SPEAKER_01: It gives you more room in the strike zone for your curve and all that good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um in 1968, after I think was it was it Bob Gibson for the Cardinals had like an ERA of like 1.98 or something?
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  SPEAKER_01: They're like, okay, we're we're lowering the mound five inches, so which is always a fun argument because Hank Aaron did play in 1960, if I'm not incorrect.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: So he played for like a lot of his career when the mound was five inches higher and still hit seven hundred and fifteen home runs.
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  SPEAKER_01: So and Roger Maris uh hit did the 61 home runs.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was what the next year, wasn't it?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was just about to say, yeah, it was 1962, they went to 107.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so if he would have done it this year, the little asterisk wouldn't have been able to put put in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, we'll go over his stats in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: Actually, Roger Maris plays a major role in this game.
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  SPEAKER_01: He really does.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um another thing that's interesting is there's no designated hitter.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh the pitcher's got a hit.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and the designated hitter actually would not even be in effect until 1973, and that was only in the American League.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, now after the I don't know, lockout, there's uh designated hitters in both leagues.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's just happened in 2022.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: So uh you can debate that all day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't like it.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: I I think the pitchers should have to hit, but I'm apparently in the uh minority on that opinion.
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  SPEAKER_01: So hey, hey, it's each turn.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um uh also another big, big difference was in Major League Baseball there were only, believe it or not, 16 teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like literally in the American League, there were eight teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the National League, there were eight teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I in uh let's see, the Brewers, I'm not seeing the Brewers on there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Houston wasn't there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Dodgers had moved to Los Angeles and San Francisco.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Giants had both moved out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um the Senators were still in Washington.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um who else are the Kansas City Athletics?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know if they were before the Royals or what, but um no teams in Florida.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh no teams in the South, really.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because what, the Braves are still in Milwaukee.
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  SPEAKER_01: My goodness.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it really is like just California and the Northeast or in the United States and a few teams in the Midwest.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even the Mets aren't there yet, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because Right, no, there's no Met well, the Mets don't come because, yeah, because the Yankees were the only team in New York for a couple more years, yeah.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's another thing that happens that plays in, as we'll get into.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but so the Pirates won their uh the National League, which it's just so weird because there's no divisions either, Tim.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the National League.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: They won their I don't know, what would you what do they call the National League?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: The I don't know, conference, just the league.
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  SPEAKER_02: They won the National League.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: By seven games over Milwaukee.
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  SPEAKER_01: So and the Yankees won the American League Pettit by eight games over Baltimore.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that sounds kind of anticlimatic for the end of the season.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, if you're up by that many, what was their magic number?
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  SPEAKER_01: They had to have clinched their magic number by then, so that's how the the uh season kind of played off.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's the Yankees and the Pirates are going to the World Series.
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  SPEAKER_01: On the 1960 Pirates record, they had 95 wins and 59 losses, and they had uh a pretty decent team.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh they're they're batting.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were definitely much more of a hitting team.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I have some of their uh hitting stats here.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were uh, let's see, players who you might know from that team.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh they had Dick Groat, uh, who played for Duke.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Bill Verdon.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I don't think is Bill Verden in the Hall of Fame?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he is.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so, but he certainly had a very long big career after he played with Curio Talk about.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I I met I met Bill Verdon, actually.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he actually yeah, he may ended up managing for the Yankees.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's one of the like if you remember the Seinfeld episode where Steinbrenner's listening, like he's one of the people, like he gets Steinbrenner's fired.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh Verden Law, who um who plays a major role.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh some guy named Roberto Clemeni.
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  SPEAKER_01: You ever heard of him?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: War 21, I don't know, played right field, something like that.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Bill Masarowski, of course, and uh Hall of Fame, and a manager, Danny Murtaugh.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um Mazarowski and Clemeny are the two in the Hall of Fame from that team.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Danny Murtaugh is not in the Hall of Fame.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's debatable.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: My uncle is like a huge, like, you know, you think that's a big, you know, I guess, you know, miscarriage of justice there to Danny Murtaugh.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um, we'll go over that during the game, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like Murtaugh really makes some pretty like smart moves during the series in general, and especially that eighth and ninth inning that kind of set up Mazarowski for his moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: But not the sp I think everybody knows you know what happens at the end of the game, but um hitting Clemenny had a 314 average for the season with 16 home runs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Bob Friend was their best pitcher during the regular season.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is wild.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I was researching this, this is one of the things that are like this is so 1960s baseball and just baseball way back when.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, how much things have changed?
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  SPEAKER_01: So Bob Friend had a 3.0 ERA, which not bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the ERAs were a little lower back then.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had 18 wins, he pitched 275 innings in a season.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Vernon Law was their second best pitcher, and he had a 3.08 ERA, and he had 20 wins, so he's a 20-game winner, and he had 271 innings pitched.
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  SPEAKER_01: So really, and the next guy was Roy Face, Elroy Face.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was more of their reliever.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had the lowest ERA, but he only pitched 114 innings.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: And Harvey Haddock's was kind of another, he was like another good pitcher, but he had an ERA of almost four, 3.97.
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  SPEAKER_01: He only had 11 wins, but he did have 172 innings pitched, which is still a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're really just a two-man, like, which is even back then was unheard of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, a three-man rotation, I mean that's not that great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nor most teams did, I think, have four back then.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just you know, that's a lot of numbers, and sometimes it's like it's hard to lose perspective.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: All these innings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, for comparison, in 2021, which would have been last major league baseball season, can you guess Zach Wheeler?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: He yeah, I can you guess how many innings he pitched last year, Tim?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Without looking, or if uh have you looked already?
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I did not look.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, let's see.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe 150.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, he he did pitch 213, but that's still six still.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: I remember this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember in 2012 when Steven Stralsberg, who was like that guy that like ESPN loved the hype for the Nationals, he had 160.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: There was a rumor they had 160, 180's inning pitched limit for that season, and he ended up only pitching 159 innings.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the Nationals were in a playoff hunt at the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: They literally did not.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I looked further back to see if anybody, like, when's the last time somebody pitched a bunch of innings?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that was uh 1999.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Randy Johnson pitched 271 innings, and he actually had an ERA of 248, and he had 17 wins, and that was I think no, that was 99.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: So that wasn't the 2001 season that they won with the Diamondbacks, but that's still like a 248.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, Randy Johnson was really good, and he could pitch a lot, apparently.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, but just for comparison, it's very rare.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, most people, I think, go like 170, 150 innings somewhere in there.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably where you're topping out at anymore.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Plus, like, it's a lot different.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there wasn't like specialized relievers.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, the relievers weren't called like relievers, and they didn't keep track of saves until I think the 80s.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they were called firemen, like, and they would bring them in when, like, oh my goodness, it's a seventh inning, and we're only up by a run, and we got two men on and nobody out, or what out, and we'd just bring a guy and he would come in like Elroy Face or would come in and like pitch from the seventh inning to the ninth inning.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: He wouldn't just come in and like, oh, I just pitched the seventh inning.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, another guy pitches the eighth, and another guy pitches the ninth.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you would pitch from whenever you came in till the end of the game.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a very different type of game back then, just was.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I looked up the times of the game.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think this that seventh game, I mean this the scores, they scored a lot of runs.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was 19 runs scored.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: I it only took two hours and 36 minutes to play, which is just you know unreal comparing like three and four hour baseball games nowadays.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: But uh going on to the uh 1960s Yankees record, they were 97 wins, so they actually had two more wins than the Pirates and 57 losses, and they had some uh some guys on their roster here, Tim, that you may have heard of before.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Roger Maris, uh Mickey Mannell, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford singing the blues.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, that's just a table of them album, but uh uh Casey Stangel, who was their manager, and that was all of all of those guys would end up in the Hall of Fame.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a pretty stacked roster.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh as usual, with the Yankees, that's just how they roll.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so Art Ditmer, who I've never heard of, had a pretty good 3.06 ERA.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Whitey Ford had a 3.08 ERA.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: He had kind of a down year, but he was still probably their best pitcher.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Ralph Terry, who's of course going to go into infamy, um, had a 3.4 ERA with 10 wins and 766 innings pitched.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And just remember, like, there's no real relievers.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, the closest thing to a reliever between these two teams, I would guess, would be Roy Face.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Would you know?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: That was like the closest thing to like a bullpen guy, you know.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: So there really isn't like a lot of bullpen people.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: So um, on to what the Yankees were doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh some guy named Roger Maris, uh, he only hit 39 home runs this season, Tim.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he kind of was slacking off.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: And 100, I mean, he didn't get to hit his 61 until next year, I guess.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And uh 112 RBIs and two eighty-three average.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but you know, thank goodness for the Yankees.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: They had somebody, uh, because since Maris could only hit 39 home runs here, they had Mickey Mann pick up the slack and hit 40 home runs too.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you know, you know, he was covering for him, you know.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just to have two guys over 30 home runs.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: And did the I mean, you know, did man uh what's his name?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Maguire and Canseco ever have that in a year with the A's?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just crazy.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: That that's that's amazing.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: And just for fun, Yogi Bearra had 15 home runs and 62 RBIs.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, their best although Yogi Bear was like one of the older players on the team, he was 35.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Bill Skowron, who I never really heard of, he had uh, I think 26 home runs and 91 RBIs and a 309 average.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: So he hit best for average.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: So they had like four guys it could like really hit.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Not exactly murderer's row, but they're pretty good.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Probably the weakness to the Yankees is their depth of pitching, I would say.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: So they're kind I mean, they have a little better depth of pitching than the Pirates, and I mean and Whitey Ford's probably better than Vernon Law overall.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: But it just the way it plays out is very interesting.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: There's a very interesting series, and it's one of the like just there's not it's a very unique series.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like the the way the Pirates won really I can't think of a team that's done this this way before.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: So what had the Yankees been doing from 1950 to 1960?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what they had been doing was winning ten of the previous 12 years, the pennant they had won.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: So they've been in the World Series like 10 times already.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um they had won the World Series five consecutive times from 1949 to 1953, which is still an MLB.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: They won they won the World Series five years in a row.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's crazy, too.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I that's a major league record.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think anybody has anybody even been in the world series twice yet?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I I didn't even look that up.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I probably should have.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well the Yankees, um I know at the end of the 90s that you mentioned that 2001 series where the Diamondbacks beat them.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think they were going for four in a row in that series, because I think they had won 98, 99 in 2000, and then the Diamondbacks beat them in Game 7.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: So they they kind of did it again at the end of the 20th century, but that was only three, not five.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: Five's crazy.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the Canadians in the 70s, yeah.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's right, yeah, yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, they're they're really good.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: The last World Series they won before this was 1958, so that was like literally they missed one.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think the season before the Dodgers won.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: They beat the White Sox in 1959, so they did the Yankees had taken a year off from being in the World Series.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: They took they took a season off, I guess.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, in stark contrast, let's see what the Pirates have been doing.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they had won the World Series in 1925, and then they had lost to the Yankees in 1927.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's of course was Murder's Row in a sweep.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Then after the war, uh they really stunk.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um they they brought in uh the famous uh GM branch Ricky, who actually was the GM for the Dodgers, who built that team.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the Dodgers ended up being pretty good because the Dodgers never won either because they were well, they were an NL team, but they always lost to the Yankees or somebody in the World Series.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: But they he built he brought in Jackie Robinson famously, and he built a pretty good team too in Brooklyn.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: But what he did in Pittsburgh was he he famously traded Ralph Kyer Kiner, who was a really good player in the 50s, saying, Son, we can finish in last with or without you.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: So so uh that was that was kind of like one of his famous quotes.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: In 1952, the Pirates had one of the world's worst seasons in MLB history.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: I remember reading like a whole ESPN article about this.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like they won only 42 games.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: So 1952, eight years before all that, they won 42 games.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's crazy.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um branch well, hopefully they win more than 42 this year, but hey, they maybe they'll break that record.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: They might.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty tough to only win 42 wins in like 162.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I thought it was 155 or 154 back then, but that's crazy.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: I believe they could do it.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: You have faith in them?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Plan the parade now.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like going 0-16, huh?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so Branch Ricky retired in 1955.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the core of the team he built played in the 1960 World Series.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: He had like people like Dick Groat.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: He talked uh he talked Dick Groat was an all-American basketball player at um Duke, but he talked him out of going to whatever, was the NBA.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: I guess the NBA was around.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the NBA was around then.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: But he talked him into playing baseball.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he also had uh gotten Clemeni, Mazarowski, El Roy Face, and Vernon Law.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: So kind of the core of the team was built by uh Ricky.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I think the owner of the team was the Galbreths.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: So the Galbreths had bought the team in the 50s, and the Galbreths were actually very good owners.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: They won three World Series with them until they finally sold the team in the early 80s.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: But so uh that's kind of the setup, you know.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of the battle of uh, you know, the Yankees who have this legendary team that are very good to this Pirates team that kind of got hot during the 60s season and have made the one dependent for the first time in what's 1925 to 1960.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's gotta be a long time, right?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or no, well, nineteen sixty, yeah.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: So thirty thirty two years.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Thirty-three years, yeah.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: So hey, we're already beyond that, huh?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: What's 1979 to 2022?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's a longer than that, yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: 40 some years, yeah.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: So um the setup, the the way the series was set up was um people don't even think about this now, but you know, you normally you play the team with the home field advantage plays the first two at home, and then you go to the await, the non-home field advantage for the next two, and then you back and forth for the last, if you need to, five, six, seven, right?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: You go one game here, one game there, one game.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if because of the trains or they wanted to limit the travel or whatever, but back then they have the two, three, two format, which people argues favors the away team.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you can just win one of those first two games on the road, you're really set up.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: That means you're gonna have the next three at your home, which means you can Clinch the series, you know, like or take a real stranglehold.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of big to especially in those first two games is win both of them if you're have the home field advantage.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: And for some reason I could not answer this question.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: The Pirates had the home field advantage this year.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now I don't know if it's just like like they alternated.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this year the National League has it, this year the American League has it, because the Yankees had the better record by the two games.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not sure why that was, but um that's the way they did it.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a that's an interesting point.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: I uh yeah, you're right.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: They they Pirates had 95 wins, Yankees had 97, according to your notes here.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so what what was the uh what was the determining because now it don't they do it now with like who wins the All-Star game or whatever?
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they started that.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's definitely I'm looking right here, the what I pulled off a Wikipedia, which I mean they're not gonna get that wrong, but yeah, yeah, it's 97 to 95.
• 23:01
  unknown: Yeah.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: It does it doesn't make any sense to me, but maybe you're right.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they rotated like they did that in football.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Remember that's why the Steelers.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: The Dolphins played like why would the Dolphins be playing the Steelers in Pittsburgh with an undefeated record?
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't make any sense.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because they rotated.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: It had nothing to do with who had the better record.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe baseball was the same way they just rotated leagues every year.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Someone tell us.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Someone looked that up and sent us a tell us a reason.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I wish I knew.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I asked a couple N and A and nobody knew, so I don't I don't know.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the series starts, and the Pirates, they won game one at home, and that was the game one was uh six to four, so it's a close game, and the Pirates win, and that was uh I do believe Vernon Law was the was the pitcher that game.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: So game two rolls around, and you gotta win game two just to kind of hold serve to use a tennis term.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: And um can you guess what the score of that game was, Tim?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I don't know what the score was, but I know anytime the Yankees won in the series, it was not a close game.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: So apparently the New York football giants came to town and won 16-3.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So on a couple of Frank Frank Gifford touchdowns there or something.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: 16 runs.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and I I do believe that was Bob Friend.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like Bob Friend had a really bad and look at the time the game.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: The Yankees scored 16 runs and they played that game in three hours.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: That would never that would never happen today.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, that would never happen.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so the Pirates are now like lost home field advantage, so it's you know, the series is all tied to one, and it goes back to New York for at Yankee Stadium.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so the Pirates, you know, I'm not sure it was uh I I uh I didn't write down who pitched.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: It was some weird guy who pitched I never heard of who pitched game three, but um the results weren't much better.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was ten to nothing.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, they pitched a shutout, and I do believe in game two, that's Whitey Ford pitched that game.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was uh I mean, ten to nothing.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not good.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Game four, the pirates eke out a win three to two, so that's a big win.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then it comes to that critical game five, which in every series, game five is always considered kind of the turning point of the series.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: So now we're tied at two.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so Harvey Haddock's who like was okay, wasn't great, he pitches like the game of his life, pretty much.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: And um, the Pirates win in Yankee Stadium.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: So they're coming back to Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh three games to two leaders.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, because he pitched that the game five was really the big turning point for them.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: They won that critical game five to two, and Vern Law pitched a three-two game in game four.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: So that was that was a key game, too.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: He only gave up two runs in Yankee Stadium to that lineup to Maris and Mantle, and and this is on top of Vernon Law pitching 270-some innings, you know.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, you know, they're really they're really keeping together.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: Him and Harvey Haddocks are kind of keeping the pirates in the series when they pitch.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: So now the Yankees are down three games to two, so in game six in an elimination game for the Yankees, Casey Stengel sends out Whitey Ford, their best pitcher, because if they don't you know what I mean, you can't play game seven until you get to game seven, is my would be my logic.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now, why you wouldn't pitch Whitey Ford in game five doesn't, you know, I don't know.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: You could argue that all day, I guess.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: But they win and it's another blowout, it's 12 to nothing, and that's at Forbes Field.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: So when the Pirates won game five, they were in really good shape because think of it, they only had to win one of the next two games at home.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: So they really had a really good chance of beating the Yankees, even though the Yankees are probably the better team.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: So that sets up game seven, but the game seven is now they don't have their best pitcher.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Think about the Yankees just kind of wasted Whitey Ford on a 12 to nothing game.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's like now game seven, you don't have your best pitcher, so they send out uh Bob Turley.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: In contrast, the Pirates manager Danny Rontag gets to set out Vernon Law, who's had like who's already won his other two starts and has pitched incredible the whole series.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So he's already won games one and four, and he had not pitched since Sunday.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I looked it up, and this game was on a Thursday, so he had at least three days rest.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: So they they got a good chance here.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: They they they've set themselves up.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Murtaugh's got them to a game seven elimination game.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Anything can happen, right, Tim?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: And kind of anything does happen here.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and and like you said, I mean, the the game seven, you get to something like that in baseball.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's all about who's on the mound.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: And you have Vernon Law who I think did he win the Cy Young that year?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: I know he won the Cy Young.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think I have it somewhere, yeah.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: He did win a Cy Young somewhere, but so you have you have an ace pitcher, and they're sending out Bob Turley, who, you know, I don't I don't know if he was good.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: He certainly wasn't he certainly wasn't on the line.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: Whitey Ford Whitey Ford, right?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see his pitching stats, Bob Turley.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: He had a ERA of 3.27.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: He'd only pitched 173 innings, but I mean he's not definitely not their best pitcher.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Art Ditmer and White Whitey Ford are definitely and Terry.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Ralph Terry was a his ERA was a little worse, but Bob Turley, I think, only Bob Turley had nine wins.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I mean like you said, like it would have been better to have Whitey Ford.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: You'd rather like I don't know why you don't pitch.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: I I guess, like I said, I you can't play game seven and if you can't get to game seven.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: So if he sends out Turley in game six, he's kind of j you know.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's you said that game five was so pivotal.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, maybe maybe going back to that statement, right?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe maybe that's why it was so pivotal, because if the Yankees win game five, now he can save Whitey Ford for Game 7, but the Pirates win game five, now we can say now we can save Vernon Law for Game 7.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because maybe if we lose game five, we're rushing Vernon Law out there for game six because it's we have to win or else.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good I mean that that's why I said they always say game five, and these seven game series are like very pivotal.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you see, because it sets you up because now you're up three games to two, and you only have to win one game to win the series.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: So he waits, he throws the pass, and it's intercepted!
• 30:05
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• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: So game seven is Bob Turley versus Vernon Law.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's on Thursday, and Vernon Law, like I said, has had a couple days to rest, so it's not like he's super tired.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um in the first inning, the Pirates take a 2-0 lead on a Rocky Nelson home run.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Rocky Nelson played first base.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Bob Turley um is not having a good game.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even make it out of the second inning.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he gives up two more runs.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's replaced by a guy named Bill Stafford, who only gets one inning, but he gives I think he gets an out, but he gives up a couple more runs.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So the Yankees are down four to nothing in the third.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: And uh they bring in a Bobby Chance, the Yankees bring up Bobby Shants, who ends up actually ends up pitching like pretty good for the next five innings.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: He keeps the Yankees in the game, keeps the Yankees from getting any more damage than four-nothing.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: And hey, four-nothing with that lineup, even though I know Vernon Law's pitching great, you gotta remember Vernon Law's pitched a lot of innings, and he's and it's the seventh game now.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's you know, you're not gonna hold you know, Maris and Mantle down for the whole series.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not that they have, but at least not the whole game.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Vernon Law gets to the sixth inning and he gets in trouble.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: So Murtaugh goes to the guy who's been reliable on the bullpen, that's Elroy Face.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he had been pretty good in the series, too.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: But unfortunately, Elroy Face gives up four runs, and the Pirates are losing going into the eighth inning.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that's where we're gonna kind of pick it up more like play by play.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the eighth inning is definitely one of the crazier innings in World Series history.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: A lot happens.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_06: Forbes Field in Pittsburgh, the seventh game of the 1960 World Series.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, it's Mel Allen on the call for the uh Yankees, and I think Bob Prince is on the call for the Pirates.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so um it kind of kind of weird setup for TV.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, we I didn't even talk about the TV.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: So how this video ended up coming about being was they didn't save like videotapes or anything.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't have videotapes, number one, I don't think.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: They had like they used like film maybe, but they didn't they didn't save anything like this back then because who would want to watch a rerun of an old baseball game?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: But there was some guy named Bing Crosby who was not some guy, but he's a famous singer, and he was a part owner, uh like a minority owner in the Pirates, and for some reason Bing Crosby was a big Pirates fan.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure why, but he was, and so he was in Europe when this game was being played, and he really wanted to watch it, and since he couldn't like turn on his cable TV, since that didn't exist for like another 40 years, um, or his cell phone or catch the game streaming, since that wasn't going to exist for like another 60 years, uh he he had the he had uh his uh staff at his house set up a projector and they projected the game onto a screen and recorded it with a movie camera, and nobody knew that this film existed because they didn't really have any video any film of all this of the whole game for years until finally like somebody in the Bing Crosby estate was going through his basement and they're like, hey, what's this film, the all these film reels?
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And people were like, hey, it's the 1960 World Series, the seventh game.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: So uh this is the that's kind of how this came to be, and uh now it's on YouTube for all our viewing pleasure.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: So without further ado, we will go to the eighth inning.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: It might be Verdon who gets yeah, here Bill Verdon's that gets the hit.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Simoli's on first, and Verdon's up.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is a critical play.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's a weird play.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_06: There's the ground ball, hits the short, not, and it hits Kubek in the face, and all hands are safe.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_06: The ball took a hard hop.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_06: A double play ball bounced up and hit him in the face, all hands safe.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: So if he didn't catch that on the on the plot, like what had happened was Bill Verdon hit a sharp grounder that hit a rock in the Forbes field infield and hits Tony Kubek, the shortstop for the Yankees right in the face, and everybody's safe.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: So there's two men on.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember if there's anybody out, but it's a big, it's a weird play, and it sets up the next thing.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because now the Pirates are down, I do believe, and uh I think that's OB4.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Seven or four.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: So they're down a couple runs.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's that is a huge play because he I mean, um Verdon hit it right to right to the short.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that should have been a double play.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it would have been a it would have been two outs, and instead it's zero outs.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's and like you said, it wasn't like um Kubek Main there.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't you know, it was just it hit literally hit a rock and it bounced it took this really weird bounce at him right.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think it hit him right in the throat, didn't it?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um He came out of the game.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: He what he didn't play the rest of the game.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: He was badly like it actually hurt him pretty good.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, what a fortuitous bounce for the Pirates.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you want to talk about I mean that's almost immaculate reception level, like the ball just pointing goes in the direction you need it to go in, exactly the direction you need it to go in.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll skip ahead to the next important bat.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's Dick Groat.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's Dick Groat.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: So two guys on with Dick Groat.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_06: The last half of the eighth inning.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_06: Pirates got the first two men aboard.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yankees seven, fix Burton four.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_06: There's a shot toy.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_06: And the third, and Burton stops at second, and it's seven to five.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_06: And Casey Stengel is out of the dugout.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the Yankees make a pitching change, I do believe, here.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: And uh some guy named Roberto Clomeny comes up.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: So Klemeni's up with now, what is it, seven to five.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think there's still nobody out.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we'll see what Klemenny does.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's fast forward to the key point of that.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: But Klemenny took his time getting a bat, and they still played this game in under three hours.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't believe how quickly this game moved.
• 37:35
  unknown: Burton on third.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, there's two outs now.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: So New York.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_06: Clementy takes it low outside.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_06: Ball one, one and two.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so he's in the hole.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's down to his last strike.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they're still down.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_06: So for the eighth inning, the final game of the World Series.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_06: And Clementi hits a soft dribbler towards Scourin, and nobody's gonna get over.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was another fortunate play.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, Clemente did not hit that ball hard, but he's he he was enough of an athlete and so fast they couldn't cover first in time.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like it just fell right in between the pitcher and the first baseman.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I've seen that happen a million times in Little League, but you don't see it as much in like major league baseball.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this inning should have ended like three times already.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: So the Pirates are catching some breaks here, but Clemeni's a great hitter, and you know, he he just he made a play.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: He had two strikes on him.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: They they he was down to his last strike, and he like they I've heard people call that a Baltimore chop for some reason.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it was just a high bouncing, like looping infield hit, and it wasn't an error.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was another play who really wasn't an error, it's just Klemenny's fast, and he hit it high enough he was able to beat the guy to first.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he hustled down that line.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: So next up comes catcher Hal Smith.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_06: Two runs in.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_06: Seven to six New York.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_06: Two balls, two strikes.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_06: And Hal Smith hits a big deal.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_05: left field on his way back up there going.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: So there it is.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Hal Smith hits a home run, Tim.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: There's your World Series hero for Pittsburgh, right?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's amazing, right?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like no one remembers that.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: And he could be there'd be a statue of him if what happens next didn't happen.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's it, yeah.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like what would have happened.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: So um they bring in Ralph Terry, um, who comes in and he actually cleans up, he gets the last out, and they don't have any more.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: He finishes up the eighth.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: So now the Pirates lead.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: What was that?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Was four runs, right?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nine to seven.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nine to seven.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: So and they're literally three outs from the World Series, right?
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: So Danny Murtaugh goes, he brings in his best regular season pitcher, Bob Friend.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's already burned Vernon Law's best starter, Elroy Face is best reliever.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: So he's down to Harvey Haddock's and Bob Friend.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's his last two, like, you know, besides whoever else is left in the bullpen at that.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so he doesn't, he's kind of out of options at this point.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, and I I I think as I see as I watch this game, I realize like he had Bob Friend on a very short leash.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he wasn't dumb enough to just, well, that's my guy.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let's throw it out there and let the Yankees score a million runs, right?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: So the way the way he manages this ninth inning is very skillful with his pitching because like he was really in a tough spot, quite honestly.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: He burned his two best pitchers, and I think he took out uh Elroy face to pinch hit because he was down two runs in the eighth.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: So he had to take, you know, you needed the runs again.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, you know, it's very like Danny Murtaugh did a very good job in this this seventh game.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was a heck of a job managing this.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So three outs away, you just got to get three, and you know, no sweat, right?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: So Danny Murtaugh went with his best guy, kind of like how we mentioned the diamondbacks in 2001.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is weird how there is like some weird similarities.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, they went with Randy Johnson and Kurt Schilling.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's trying to do kind of the same thing only before anybody thought of it, and he didn't have a computer to tell him to do this, so Danny Martal knew what he was doing.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Go figure that.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: So um unfortunately, it it's the heart of the Yankees batting order.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just not going to be easy, is it?
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, it's going to be Bobby Richardson.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Dale Long is pinch hitting for Kubek because Kubick got hurt, and then they have some guy named Maris and Mantle and Bear, if you don't get Maris and Mantle out.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: So Bob Friend has his cut work cut out for him.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go to Bobby Richardson's at bat.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is in the top half of the ninth inning, three outs away from winning a World Series.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_06: Drops in there for a base hit.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: So Bobby Richardson just hit us.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: He just hit a single.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: So now they they got their first man on with nobody out.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_06: There's a line drive to right field for a base hit.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_06: Bobby Richardson at second base.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_06: As Clemenny gets off a tremendous throw.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see that throw by Clemenny?
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: He almost threw him out at second.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: So thank God Clemenny's in right, because that guy could have been at third.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so now it's it's first and second with nobody out, and Danny Murtaugh has seen enough of Bob Friend.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_06: And with Roger Maris, due up.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_06: Danny Murtaugh signals for a left-hander.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_06: He's had two men warming up.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe it'll be uh Harvey Haddock's who have been warming up with the this is an unbelievable this is like Stan Belinda-esque at this point.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is the situation only Stan Belinda didn't come up with a Hall of Famer at the bat.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all Harvey Haddock has to do is get three outs with Roger Merris and Mickey Mannell to face.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's it, Tim.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's easy, right?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: No sweat.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's got it.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's like the Pirates' fourth best pitcher.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he's already pitched like a bunch of games, innings this series.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, this is I mean, this is crazy.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's got he has his work cut out for him.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Let's put it to it that way, right?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, and two guys already on base, too.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is an absolutely pivotable at bat.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is like a big at bat in this game.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_06: That was at Yankees State.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_06: Game which the pirates won by a score of five pirate fans.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: You hear them booing.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're booing Bob Friend.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Classic.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Look at this is huge.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_06: Al Smith is under it.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: That that was a huge, like that pop-up, that was a huge out in this inning.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now all he's gonna do is face Mickey Manel with if Mickey Mannle hits a home run, that's the go-ahead run.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like Mickey Mannle ever hit any home runs, right?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's only hit 40 of them this year.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_06: There's a line drive in the right center field for a base hit.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_06: Richardson will score along around second and goes on into third.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_06: And it's nine to eight as Mantle comes through with his third hit.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're coming up on another weird play.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: That if it happened today, this play would be like reviewed a million ways this Sunday, but it's the 1960s, and we don't have any of that silliness.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: So Mantle, it's now 9-8 in Yogi Berra.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't stop with this with this Yankees lineup, does it, Tim?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's just they just keep coming.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: So uh Yogi Berra, one out, and the Pirates have a one-run lead, but they do have an out now.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_06: So Army Haddock working carefully.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_06: McDougal on third, running for long.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_06: Mantle on first.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_06: Pirates leading 9-8.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_06: One out on the nine coming.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_05: And there's a shot bad by a Delphine steps on first, and Mantle gets back to Firstly safe, and McDougal spurs the tying run on an amazing turn of events.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what what do you think, Dave?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think he was out?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because like if you listen to the Bob guy the you know what Bob Prince call, he thinks he's out there.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: But that's Mel Allen making the call, so he's safe.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're a Yankees fan, he's safe.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a Pirates fan, he's out.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: That would have been the World Series right there.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Pirates win, pirates win.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: So Steve, describe, because you know, we're we're watching that people are listening to the biggest thing.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens is yeah, so Yogi Bear hits a sharp single down the not sharp, but a sharp ground ball to the first baseman who is um Rocky Nelson, and Rocky Nelson grabs it, and it's such a sharp hit that all he has to do is step on first.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: So when he steps on first, Bear is out.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: So now Mantle is free to go to second, but you have to tag him because there's no fur force now, right?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: So they got two outs, the runner's going on the hit, so as long as he can get Mantle out before the guy gets home, you know, or Mantle gets safe, the the series is over.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Mantle dives around his tag and is safe, called safe at first.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, if you listen to the replay on the Bob Prince, like I've heard the Bob Prince call and I've heard the Mal Allen.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Mal Olin says he's safe all the way.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: How about that?
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Bob Bob Prince says he's out all the way and says this should have been the Pirates.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, in the space of like when I say the eighth and ninth inning, there is like so much weird stuff that happens.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: There is a lot of like this is another one of those critical plays.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: If they just tag Mickey Mantle out here, that's it.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: The series is over, the pirates win.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it's now tied 9-9, and Mickey Mantle's still at first, and they still have to get another out.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like if that happened today, like how many times would they have replayed that?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: And like there'd be like a hundred different canoe angles.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Was Mantle out?
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Was he safe?
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: You you I mean, you can't really tell there.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, you you can't tell.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: And and Mantle that was a mistake, I think, trying to dive back to first, because Steve, if he runs to second, like you said, they have to they have to tag him out, they can't force him out.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: So even if they get him in a rundown, the guy's gonna score while he's in the rundown.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: So him him diving back to first almost killed the Yankees there.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like he would have been smarter just to run to second and then like I can't get, you know, just keep him off.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: Drag it out, yeah.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just just because again, they wouldn't they would have never tagged him in time.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: The guy still would have scored.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because the guy was that's there well, there was only one out.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: But the guy had to be running as soon as he's uh maybe he wasn't, because it was only one out, so he might have not been running.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: If there's two outs, he definitely would have been running.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then so and so that would have been the third out.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's what I'm saying.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think Mantle diving back into first was a huge mistake on his part because if he was out there, if they did apply the tag as he's diving back to first, that's it, that's a third out.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: And and like you said, the series is over.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: But if he just runs to second, whether he's safe or out, it really doesn't matter at that point.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: And Hal Smith is World Series hero, grandson.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy, man.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I I knew some of these details, but I like you're right, the the Kubek getting hit in the face, this play, um and man, imagine imagine what it would have been like as a fan.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're you're you're down three runs in the eighth, you have this amazing inning, Cal Smith hits that home run, you're on the top of the world, we're gonna win the World Series, we just have to get three outs here, and then the Yankees come all the way back.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that like you said, very Stan Belinda, Doug Draybick reminds me of that inning where because it was the same thing, we had a two-run lead, right?
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so now you blow the two-run lead, and I I just what a what a bunch of ups and downs in the span of half.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: I will say this, Stan Belinda didn't have to face Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris and Yogi Berra, okay?
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, I don't care who you are, that's I mean, that's a tough, that's a tall task there.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and and and again, that game it was two to nothing.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, this game it was like literally a half an inning ago, you were down by three.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: Now you're up by two.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's tied again.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that is that is just a lot of emotional ups and downs.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I would still say the key play to that inning was getting Roger Maris to pop out with nobody out.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's the key play in this inning, because that saved them from having the go-ahead run.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: They would have been ahead of run if you even if Maris gets a single or maybe a fly ball to the outfield.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then did you see Clemeny boot the Maris uh single after he made that great throw?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like Clemeni booted a ball out there and right.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see that?
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was on the mantle hit.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, on the mantle hit, Clemeny boo booted a booted a ball.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't cost him, but it definitely didn't look good.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: But he was very young.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: He was still a very young player back then.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: So he wasn't the quite the Roberto Clemey of 1971 yet.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: So and to your point about Mantle hitting a lot of home runs, I mean it was like you said, you had Maris and Mantle, and even Barra.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like n none of those guys, Mantle Mantle got a hit.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: Maris pops up to the catcher in foul territory, and Barra hits that ball right to Nelson at first base.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was very fortunate that out of all three of those guys, all you got out of that was one single.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you didn't get any you didn't get anything, like you said, a home run.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, then they're in the lead.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: So Haddock's gets the uh Bill Scour and hits hits into an ending-inning force out.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so we go to the bottom of the ninth, and um I don't think anything too exciting really happens in the bottom of the ninth, too.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the this is not Mel Allen on the call.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: How about that, Mel Allen?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Ralph Terry is on the mound for the Yankees.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_04: And to go over that uh play once again.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_04: It was a hard hit drive down the first base side, but Nelson fielded it on the first top and tagged the bag at first.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_04: That eliminated Barry.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_04: He was out.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_04: And then uh Mantle could have been in a rundown, but it was not the case.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_04: He dove back safely to first base.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Here's a ball one too high down to Mazarowski.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_04: And the Yankees have tied the
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: So after the first pitch is a ball.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is it right here.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, but they have a conference at the mouth.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder I wonder what that was about.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, did you say it right down the middle about bell high?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: I can't catch that candy yoga.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: So if you haven't figured that out, or if you're just like under a rock or something, um Bill Mazarowski on another one Ralph Terry pitch hits a uh home run over the left field wall, and Yogi Barrack and all he could do is watch.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it's you know, it's just an amazing play and a lot of fun.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I mean that's that's unreal that all that happened in those two innings.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: It really is maybe maybe the two of the greater innings in World Series history.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, so uh Ralph Harry, you know, gives up the game.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's the only home run to win a World Series in game seven, I do believe.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's still one of the most iconic home runs of all time, even 60 years later.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um the Yankees outscored the Pirates 55 to 27 in the series, but they lost the series.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: So for all you fans of politics, this is how the Electoral College works.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just because you won game six, twelve to nothing, the next game is still zero-zero.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of the same concept if you can't understand it.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: So um there you go.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: On that.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: So the you know, when you win one game, it only counts for one win.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: So um, even if you win it 16 to 0 or 12 to nothing, or whatever you want to buy.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: This can you guess the series MVP was given to uh Bobby Richardson, the the Yank from the Yankees, because they vote on that probably in the eighth inning.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: So uh what was the aftermath?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the Pirates don't have too much success the rest of the decade until 1971.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: They kind of rebuild around Clemeny and they win another World Series in 1971.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's hilarious.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: The Yankees and their fans still cry about this game.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't find it.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like they Ken Burns must have that on lockdown with like his copyright.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I really wanted to get put like the clip of like Billy Crystal crying about losing this.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because I guess Ralph Terry came back the next year and pitched a pretty good World Series, like he won another World Series after this.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it's just fun to watch like Billy Crystal and like Joyce Kern's good win and all of them like oh, we really see it.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's just too in too much Shoyden fraud uh going on there if you're a big fan of Freud.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: So uh taking joy in the suffering of Yankees fans.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um the Yankees would win two World Series with Mantle and Maris in 1961 and 62, but after 1965, they have like this big decline, and they really stay that way until uh George Steinberger buys the team in the late 70s.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh after this game, uh Casey Stengel kind of goes into like a Bruce Arians type retirement.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, um, yeah, you're gonna retire, but I don't want to retire.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: You're retiring.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm retiring it is.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: So Casey Casey Stengel says uh says uh he'll never make the mistake of turning 70 again.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's why he thinks he got uh canned.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh really it's probably he should have really pitched Whitey Ford in game one and game seven.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: He really he really needed to save Whitey Ford for those two critical games.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably one of the biggest reasons that the Yankees didn't win this series.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um he goes on to manage the Mets, like we said, for a couple years.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: He has a lot of great, great quotes uh throughout time, if you get to look them up.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'll do some unsung heroes of this team.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think Danny Murtal really is like maybe I've just been hanging around my uncle too much, but like after watching this game, he's very underrated.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: He he he manages the pirates from 64 until 64, and then he kind of is like off again, on again until 1976.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: He died shortly after the 76 season at a at uh age 59.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's an underrated manager.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I really think some of those moves, especially in the ninth inning, taking Bob Fred, you could have stuck with Bob Friend there, but that was pretty smart in the ninth inning, and then going to Harvey Haddock's like boy, I I don't think anybody expected that.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: But so you know, he was either genius or lucky.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm gonna say he was like pretty smart there because he made a lot of really smart moves to keep the pirates in that game.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: Why is he not in the Hall of Fame?
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I guess it's tough for managers to get in.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like we said, Hal Smith probably should have been the World Series hero if it wouldn't have been for Bill Maserowski and you know us giving up that lead the ninth.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: But um he he uh he was drafted by the uh in 1961 they had an expansion draft.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's when the the league expanded and by the team called the Houston Colt 45s.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they drank after the games, maybe.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's actually they became the Houston Astros.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: He died in uh Columbus, Texas in 2002.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Vernon Wall, who I believe was a deacon in the uh Church of Latter-day Saints, he won a Cy Young Award.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: He led the National League in complete games.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: He had a 3.44 ERA in the World Series.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: He won two games and he kept the Pirates in game seven.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: Harvey Haddock's like another, I think he's another unsung hero, 2.45 ERA in that crucial win in game five, and got him.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: That that bottom of the ninth inning jam.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: He really should have, they really should have won on that that hit.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: If they if they just could have got the call or a little better tag on mantle, like he really, you know, he that that really should have been the end of the game.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: On to the sung heroes, I'll call the people you know.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: Elro Elroy Face, he he's well known.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: He he's got them out of uh some jams in game five, got them through some tough innings in the middle of game seven.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um Klemenny, of course.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um he got a cut clutch hit hit pretty well for the series, had three RBIs, you know, kept that eighth inning alive on uh that big chopping hit.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, the man, the myth, the legend, uh that would be Bill Mazarowski.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's the guy that hit the big home run that uh that put him in the Hall of Fame, basically.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: But he was also a very good defensive second baseman.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: He had kind of had this trick, like instead of catching the ball at second, he would let the ball bounce off his glove and into his throwing hand so he could make the exchange really quick.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: So he turned a lot of double plays like that.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, but he's in the hall of fame, too.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: We said at the beginning, and um, of course, on to the conclusion, which is it weird that every pirates game is one in game sevens in the world series.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: It is weird, but Steve, I I think you forgot one one of the sung heroes, which is the the rock that was in the dirt in the end.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's actually a story about like I guess somebody was playing the Yankees in a later world series, and somebody was like, go up to uh what's his name, Kubek, and just say rock or something.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like okay.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whoever was dragging the infield that day and didn't do a very good job in Forbes field.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that like the most Pittsburgh thing ever?
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what about that rock in the infield?
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: That'll never have any influence on the game.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just let it go.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that that seriously, I wish somebody would have dug that out and then we could have it like in a one of our Western Pennsylvania Sports Museum.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the rock that caused the ball.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um it it has to be, it is it the most dramatic championship winning play in Pittsburgh sports history, Tim.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I mean I think that you know, if you if you compare it to because probably the Immaculate Reception, maybe this Antonio Holmes catch.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right, the the the I'd say people might tend to forget it wasn't just that play.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: The Immaculate Reception was a crap game, it was a seven to six game, and then you had this amazing play, but no one really ever talks about what happened before that.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: This was a crazy back and forth game.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's it's more comparable to the Santonio catch because that was also a crazy back and forth game.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_02: You had a bunch of stuff happen leading up to that.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I I don't know.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: Bottom of the ninth inning of game seven of the World Series winning it on a home run.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't I don't know that you can ever really top that in sports.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I just don't I just don't know that you can.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: And to you you know, you said it's never happened before before or since.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: And they've been playing the World Series for 120 years now, and that's never happened before uh in a game seven.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I I think you can call it the most dramatic, most um memorable, whatever word you want to use at the moment in Pittsburgh sports history.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: I can't argue with that.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the only other one I had the flurry save in game seven, uh the Hornquest goal in what was that, 2017, but that was game six.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um the Willie Stargeel hit a home run in the once again another game seven in Baltimore.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: And but that was in the seventh inning, and the Pirates scored some insurance runs after that, and DeCalvey did have to come up with a save against the Orioles there.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: But um I think it is.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm gonna agree with you, Tim.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's definitely the most dramatic play in Pittsburgh sports history.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: And even though none of a neither of us were there to witness it, it's still so talked about and so iconic, and we've seen it like a ton of times.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: Thank goodness for Bing Crosby for saving that for us.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, but I mean it's just yeah, it's it's great.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I hope you enjoyed that as much as we did, that look back, and uh it's you know, you probably a lot of stuff you didn't know happened in that game happened.
• 1:02:22
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• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, we've got some kind of buckles, and we're some kind of glad, for we knew that the Yankees could be some kind of hat.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: People said it was possible that Apple they can spank, but we're some kind of richer with the money in the bank.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_03: Swing low.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_03: Swing low.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_03: Swing bad guns.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_07: Swing slow.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_07: They got some kind of hits, and they got some kind of guns.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_07: People thought that they were shooting us with some kind of guns.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_07: But we're some kind of happy and with some kind of game.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_07: Or we knew that we had a