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UK Column News Podcast 12th April 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Friday, the twelfth of April twenty twenty four, just
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after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Column News. I'm your host,
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Mike Robinson joining me today. We have Debbie Evans and Ben Rubin and we'll
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have a couple of special guests later on in the program, so we'll look
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forward to that. Now we're going to start off with I guess we could
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describe this as propaganda. Let's bring on this BBC article that came out yesterday
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fake UK stamps blamed on Chinese mid kundterfeits and well, this was the BBC
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trying to tell us that some criminal activity which is happening in the UK is
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in fact being done by the Chinese government. Effectively, it is China's fault.
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The author here quoting Ian Duncan Smith as saying China is behind it.
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This was definitive statement. So we've all got to worry about China running economic
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warfare on the UK. This wasn't the only article on this topic. That
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Telegraph had one China behind flood of fake stamps plaguing Britain, and so they
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said. Security experts have warned that the mass fraud is economic warfare done with
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the tacit approval of the Chinese Communist Party. Now, of course, by
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suggesting that this TACIT approval, what they're basically saying is we have no evidence
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for this whatsoever, so we're just going to call it TACIT approval. This
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was I think, actually following an article by Edward Lucas in The Meal,
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and the headline on this was how China could paralyze Britain and kill thousands by
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hacking into your electric car, locking you inside and creating deadly traffic jams as
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cheap Chinese evs flood Britain. Edward Lucas raises a terrifying possibility. So let's
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see what Edward Lucas had to say. He begins with a little story narrative.
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It's abidingly cool day. In mid December twenty twenty seven, China is
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block hitting Taiwan and Britain is poised to join the United States and rallying to
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the beleaguered islands Democracy's defense, a move that would presage World War three.
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And then comes a brutally blunt message. Every one of the hundreds of thousands
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of Chinese made electric cars on UK roads stops dead. Then the piloups begin
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as other vehicles ply into the suddenly stationary cars, Crippling traffic jams prevent emergency
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services reaching the scenes of accidents, and thousands of injured victims die in agony.
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The bullies of Beijing have just won a decisive early battle in the struggle
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for global domination. So this was the type of narrative that Edward Lucas pushing
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out in the Daily Mill without any critical thought, it seems. But the
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question is what is going on here and what are these people up to now?
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To try to understand this, We're going to go back a few years
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to the Integrity Initiative and let's just have a quick look at who was involved
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in that. So we had journalists like Carl Carl Cad Wallader here. Edward
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Lucas of course was absolutely part and parcel of Integrity Initiative. We had people
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like Bill Broder, We had well, here's Chris Donnelly, who of course
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was in charge of the Integrity Initiative. Mark Steele also involved. He went
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on to handle Russia Gate and so on. And this group of people,
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which is much broader than the five on screen at the moment we're running a
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propaganda campaign called the Integrity Initiative, which was designed to demonize Russia. In
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this case, it looks like they've moved on to China in many ways.
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But Russia was this situation at that time. And who else was behind or
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at least in the background of this organization, Well, it was this man,
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Richard Dearlove, former head of mi I six, otherwise known at least
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by me as Old yellow Cake, because of course this is the man who's
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propaganda brought us to war in Iraq, because it was his bogus intelligence about
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weapons of master struct in Iraq that gave Tony Blair the excuse to go to
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war in Iraq. But of course what else was he behind. He was
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behind various things, not just Russia Gate, because he was effectively pulling the
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strings of Christopher Steele when he produced his report on Russiagate for the US.
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But he was also behind indirectly the whole Sergei scripball affair, which again designed
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to generate propaganda against Russia. Now who was funding this operation, Well,
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it was the Foreign Office through Andy Price as the head of kind of disinformation.
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But of course he wasn't just the head of kind of disinformation. He
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was also the head of media development. And of course this organization claimed to
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only ever be working abroad, but on the other hand it was funding the
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Institute for State Craft and their Integrity Initiative project here in the UK. So
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clearly they weren't just working abroad, and they're still not just working abroad.
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But where they were working abroad was were One place they were working abroad was
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Ukraine, and so Andy Price and this organization involved in twenty eighteen in this
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case with Ukrainian British consultations on countering cyber threats. This was held in London
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and so on. So back at that time we were very keen to find
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out a little bit more about this organization and we put in a freedom information
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request to the Foreign Come Wealth Office as it was then, and it said,
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I would like to get some background on the role currently held by Andy
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Price Brackets head of counter Disinformation. Could you tell me please the scope of
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the role, the size of the team Andy Price has working with them,
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and when the role was created and the response from the Foreign Come Wealth Office.
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After about eighteen months of trying, including the intervention, the Information Commissioner
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was we're not telling you on the grounds of national security. Now, I
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may be misunderstanding the Freedom of Information Act, but as far as I know,
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the national security excuse can only be used if you're dealing with intelligence agencies.
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So I would continue to ask the question just exactly what kind of operation
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is the kind of disinformation team within the Foreign Home Wealth Office. But going
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sticking at that sort of time period, the person sort of running the show
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at that time was Mark said, well, and so if we look at
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the sort of network that was there at the time, he was head of
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the National Security Council, he was head of the Cabinet Office, and of
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course these two were feeding into the Foreign Come Wealth Office at the time.
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I've put the Information Research Department name on there because that was sort of the
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original kind of disinformation team which was shut down by David Steele if I remember
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correct or may have got that wrong, but it was shut down in the
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seventies, but it didn't really go away. It sort of stayed there in
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the background and eventually came back out into the open as the kind kind of
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disinf and media development program headed by Andy Price. They funded the Integrity Initiative.
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Now, Mark Sedwell's gone, of course, and replaced. Andy Price
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is now gone and replaced. The Integrity Initiative is gone and replaced, and
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it is in fact replaced with something called the Open Information Partnership, which still
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exists, and it describes itself as a diverse network of established organizations and individuals
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across Europe working in open, independent fact based reporting among us our NGO's charities,
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academics, think tanks, journalists, fact checkers, and activists. So
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just think about that, Think about the scale of that, because this was
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kind of the scale of the Integrity Initiative at the time as well. And
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so when the Integrity Initiative leaks came out and Carol Kadwallader and Edward Lucas's names
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were on the list of people working with that organization, the question then is
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are they still working with the successor to that organization. So just looking at
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the type of type of stuff that we have seen in the media that came
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out through that particular infrastructure. This is from a few years ago. Russia
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spy's target coronavirus vaccine, says the BBC. Russia's sought the medal in the
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UK election, says Dominic rab And This is all part of this whole propaganda
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machine designed to encourage the British public to believe that Russia and China are the
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threat. Let's just listen to a couple of words from Edward Lucas speaking to
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The Times. We are at an existential struggle with Russia, and we can
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either fight it with Ukraine intact and enthusiastic on our side, or we can
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wait until Ukraine is beaten and then try and do it on our own.
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And I fear we're taking the second option at the moment. So that's just
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to give an impression of the lunacy that's coming out from these types of circles.
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And of course another name that we need to consider here is Tobias Eltwood,
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and he was speaking to Sky News this morning. We've seen in Ukraine
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that there are other ways, particularly in the gray zone, that we could
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bear attacked. I'll give it example. It just took one line of code
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in Heathrow which was wrong to bring the entire airport to a closer. That
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was by accident. So you can see how easy it is to disrupt our
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way of life, to sow political discord and indeed economic mayhem from Afar.
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So that's the narrative from Tobias Olwood this morning to sewing discord from Afar.
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And this is absolutely the same narrative that we've been hearing from this group of
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people for quite some time now. But do you think how do you think
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Sky News described Tobias Allwood when they introduced them morning. Let's look at their
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tweet former Defense Minister Tobias Olwood. Did they mention that he's a reservist in
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seventy seven Prigrid? Did they mention or even comment on that, or ask
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them about it or hold him to account and ask was he giving a your
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opinion or was he propagandizing for the British government at the moment. If you
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want to know more about that, have a look at this article and the
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UK column website. MPs are not entitled to a private public life, which
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gives a bit of the background to this and a bit of background to Phil
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Ridley's freedom information requests on the topic. So what I'm basically saying here is
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when we look at headlines like fake UK stamps lived on Chinese made counterfeits,
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and we look at headlines on how China could paralyze Britain and kill thousands by
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hacking into electric cars. We've got to ask ourselves what are we looking at,
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and question should we be heading towards conflict with these countries, because the
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British government already talking about the potential of putting British boots on the ground in
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Ukraine just for training the Ukrainian troops, and so you know, perhaps cooperation
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with these countries would be better than conflict. And I'm not suggesting that we
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shouldn't be judgment or hold these countries to account for their activities, but at
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the end of the day, it wasn't China or Russia which caused lockdown or
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jobs or ulez or net zero or censorship or any of the other things that
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you know, Bill Gates is not Chinese, and the Ngus that have been
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pushing the narratives in this country are not Chinese or Russian. So we've got
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to think about that and think about just exactly what's been done to us,
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and think about what was done to us during lockdown under the guise of emergency
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legislation, and if we end up in some kind of level of conflict with
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these countries, what kind of emergency legislation we might be looking at. So
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that's that. Ben over to you. Now. You were in London yesterday
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at an event. Absolutely I was in the beating hearts of the British political
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system where all of those nearly well as you've just been talking about like to
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hang out. I was just around the corner from the Housard of Parliament at
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the Emmanual Center last night, beautiful beautiful venue. And I was at an
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event that was being hosted there by an organization called the Adult Child Health and
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Environmental Support Group acronymis ACHES and the event was called Society Controlled or free.
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Fantastic evening actually had by all in attendance As far as I could tell,
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it was a really positive night out. It was great. More of this
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stuff please, maybe UK Colin should do something that's a good idea. So
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who was there? We had Mark Scharman, the former ITV and Sky News
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boss, fifty plus year veteran of the British media, who was screening some
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clips of his new film that he's making about the World Health Organization alongside Oracle
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Productions, that comes on the back of his other film, Safe and Effective.
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A second opinion which came out in twenty twenty two, one of the
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most senior people in the British media are actually out talking about the real stuff
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right now. So more power to Mark Sherman. Thank you for your work,
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sir, looking forward to seeing the film when he comes out. We
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also saw Sandy Adams, who is a great friend of the column, and
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she gave a very quick but comprehensive history of technocracy and globalism and the entire
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globalist agenda basically going back to the nineteen thirties right up to the present day,
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talking about the key organizations like the Club of Rome, the Rockefeller Foundation,
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Trinational Commission, some of the key individuals like Morris Strong, Dennis Meadows,
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and basically just outlining the global network of control has been in development for
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the past ninety years and when she presents it, everything just kind of clicks
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together. She's got all the information. She's done a fantastic job. She
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told a really interesting story about waking up in the early two thousands while she
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was working directly with Microsoft and Google and beginning to understand their agenda for smart
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cities and the whole digital control grid that they're building. Sandy, Thank you.
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Was a really great presentation. Also there we had Tess Laurie from the
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World Council for Health, who are doing fantastic things, making some astonishing progress.
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Actually they've actually established national Health councils in over thirty countries now, so
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they are actually up and running. She gave a brilliant update on the work
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that they've been doing. A few really just very kind of nourishing takeaways.
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You know, she's got a really great way about her tests and there are
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a few bits of advice. One was to be a warrior, not a
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warrior, a warrior like you fight, rather than a warrior who just worries.
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I really like that, and the idea that you have to create your
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way out of tyranny. You can't just wait for someone to come along and
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sort of out for you. It's on us to create our way out of
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tyranny and actually we have the opportunity to build something great for ourselves and for
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our children. Really optimistic message. Thank you Tess for coming along. That
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was a great presentation. Also, this gentleman w Scott mccullor from Children's Health
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Defense and I think we've probably done some work with I know that there was
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a UK column symposium I believe a year or two ago talking about electromagnetic frequencies
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five G and the kind of digital control greed, and I would imagine that
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mister mccullor would have been involved in that. He's very senior at Children's Health
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Defense. He's their main kind of outside advisor on legal issues. Really really,
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really solid and impressive Feller. I mean, his speech was fantastic.
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He used the term controller garks, which I really liked, and basically explained
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in extraordinary detail how this digital control system works, the dangers of electromagnetic frequencies,
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and also his solution to getting away from the control greed is to put
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the devices down again a life right. We've got a massive rando of applause,
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and I think that that's really good advice that we can all live by.
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A lot of discussion about the dangers of these systems that they're bringing in.
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So there was talk of the ules cameras, and you may have seen
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this graphic doing the rounds. The idea that these they're called C forty cix's
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extermination weapons multi fusion photon ionization radiation guns. I'm not sure I actually quite
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understand what all of those words mean. When they've strung together like that.
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But I am certainly suspicious of all of the hardware that's being put up around
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our cities, and I think that you should be too. And then the
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kind of blockbuster show stopper at the end of the evening Andrew Bridgen, who
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seems to becoming something of a folk hero. Actually he was received an incredibly
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warm reception. He delivered a very well polished speech. Actually some of the
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jokes have clearly been rolled out a few times now, actually, but we
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can forgive him that. I think he was described as church hilling. In
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fact, someone was suggesting that maybe he should have a statue on Parliament Square.
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I'm not sure if we're quite there yet, but we'll see how the
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next year or two goes. And I've got a little clip here of Britain
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speaking in the Q and A session at the end about his views on youth
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and how to reach out to them. There's a lot of people in the
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movement are very clearly concerned about that. Another problem. They have had a
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full indoctrination in the schools for the last three decades and also nearly half of
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the vint University ever had another dose of indoctrination when I first spoke out,
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which I've forgotten, well, probably about two hundred thousand emails over a few
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months from around the world. It was amazing that the average age of the
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person who contacted me was probably in their length fifties or early sixties, and
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there or twenty of emails from fifty five year olds who could see what was
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going on. We're gonna after a patient with the young. They have had
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the full indoctrination, and they will be the last to wake up. And
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I think there's a wider message. We have to be gentle to an extent
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with those who have not woken up yet. It's a bit like I could
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drag someone to church and make them listen to a sermon, but I can't
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make them believe in God. And until the people are ready, all we
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can do is lay out the ground and the information for them, and in
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their own time that they will come. But in the meantime, we've got
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to act, because we are the ones who know what's going on, and
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we've got to stop him. I think that's a pretty solid advice. Actually,
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we've got to lay the groundwork. We've got to build community around the
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issues. Actually, and the most heartening thing of the entire evening was meeting
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people, speaking to people, hearing about what they were doing. Have got
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a couple of examples of some of the leaflets that were being shared. So
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this here from the National Residents Association and we can flip over onto the back.
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They've done this fantastic visual showing you know, what is a smart city,
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what are the different components of it, what are the dangers? And
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actually, wouldn't we just prefer having something which isn't smart and it's more traditional
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and I certainly would agree with that. And then finally I had the chance
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to meet so one of the people involved in organizing Stand Together, who are
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focused on local action, waking up the masses, providing an alternative to the
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mainstream narrative, and they're really really big on the community outreach, and they've
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got an event coming up this Sunday, fourteenth of April, starting at midday
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at Growth Park in Castleton in South London, So if you're in the area,
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make sure to go down and check it out. And I think that
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this is very much the direction of travel that we need to take. Commun
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outreach and building things back up from the ground up. Good agree more thank
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you very much. Ben, thank you for that, and thank you for
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going to that event. Debbie. Welcome to the program, and let's have
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a look at what the MHRA has been up to. Well, yes,
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good afternoon everyone, and should I say good afternoon to the MHRA as well,
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because I'm sure they're watching, or at least somebody's watching. But I've
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had difficulty this time with the MHRA. I'm feeling like a bit of a
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nag actually, because I've had to email them to ask the tickets, and
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then there was no facility to ask questions on the board meeting prior to the
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board meeting, and then it was well, where's the YouTube? So I
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emailed them this week because it's nearly a month since the board meeting, and
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thank you to everybody at the MHRA for facilitating the YouTube on the next day,
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so we have it. Now here's a screenshot just to show you.
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Please go and have a look at it. Even if you just click in,
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it shows that we're watching them quite clearly. So let's look at what
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they said. I've just snatched a little bit from some some some of the
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board meeting. But I want to talk about the yellow card Biobank Now this
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is Pioneering Genetic engineering, genetic genomic sequencing, and you can see the press
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release. This was released in February, Pioneering Genetic Biobank to start recruiting patients
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on stroke prevention medicines. And this is the Yellow Card Biobank. Now,
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let's just go to the next slide to see our friend Dr June Rain or
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should we say Dame June Rain, who says we are excited to launch the
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second phase of the Yellow Card Biobank, which demonstrates that we are at the
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absolute forefront of innovation in the field of drug safety monitoring. Almost a third
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of adversary actions to medicines could be prevented with the introduction of testing. The
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Yellow Card Biobank will help us move forward towards our goal of personalized medicine.
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Getting involved with this important initiative means you will help more people use medicine's safety.
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Now, I just want to add very quickly that if anybody is watching
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that has had an adverse reaction to anything, it is likely that they may
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be asked to volunteer themselves to the Yellow Card Biobank. Now, this is
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because of personalized medicine. They want to experiment and investigate you. They're not
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there to help you. They're help They're there to grab the data from your
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adverse reactions and then pass it on to researchers. And I just want to
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say that the Yellow card is the flagship of the MHRA. It's patient safety
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and they say that genetics play a very important part in minimizing drug adverse reactions.
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Now, the Chief Safety Officer, of course, we know as doctor
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Allison Cave, who's sitting very nicely earning one hundred and ninety five pounds a
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year. She's the highest earner of the MHRA. She was talking about the
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Yellow Card biobank at the board meeting. Let's have a listen. I think
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Allison, you're up next and going to update us on the Yellow Card biobanker.
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So, for those online, the aim of the Yellow Card buiobank is
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to better understand how a patient's genetic makeup can impact the safety of their medicines
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and more specifically the incidence of side effects to those medicines. And we feel
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that understanding the underlying mechanism and adverse reaction would support the development of new testing
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pharmacogenomic testing strategies to reduce the burden of public health, burden of ADRs and
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also of course the personal burden on an individual. So that's the vision of
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the Biobank. We have a two year pilot which we launched last year and
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we're now at the midpoint of that pilot. So during the first year,
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as the paper sets out, we've established and recruited an excellent team. We've
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established a formal memorandum of understanding with Genomics England, our partner in this pilot,
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a formal governance structure including a steering board, a scientific advisory Board,
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a project board, and a Patient of Public Involvement Advisory Group. We've finalized
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a procurement contract for the bird collection, and we've launched two pilots topics.
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One is ala purinole and Stephen Johnson syndrome, which is a very severe skin
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reaction, and the second is DOAX which is direct acting oral antiquagulants and severe
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bleeding. Those two topics have been carefully chosen to answer different questions through this
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pilot. The first ALA puranoal and SGS has a known variant already identified,
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and what we want to look at is can the Buyo Bank identify this variant
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and potentially look at other variants which might influence this reaction. And the second
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the doax direct acting or antiquaglance and severe bleeding. Less certainty whether there's a
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genomic variant underlying that, But what we're looking at is through the biobank and
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a more discovery phase project, can we identify a variant which may increase the
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risk of this particular adverse reaction, So they see the biobank is not for
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patients, it's for the MHRA and for research. Now, if I could
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just ask the gallery at this point, if we could. I've got two
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clips from Liz Booth, the People's Officer, one that will show in extra
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number two. So if we can jump to the number three video in a
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minute, I'd be grateful because Liz Booth, I'd like you to meet her.
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She's only been appointed six months. She's the People's Officer and she looks
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after the mhra's people. She was talking about the fact that it's not all
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happy clappy in the MHRA. The people that work in the MHRA are far
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from happy. In fact, they feel bullied, in harassed. Please go
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and look at the whole snippet, but for now we ask them about the
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reward system. What do people get as a reward if they're so depressed and
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they're leaving in droves the MHRA, what do you do to keep morale up?
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Have a little listener, and Liz, you mentioned reward and recognition vouchers,
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and there were a couple of questions which summarized are what are the reward
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vouchers? How much is a voucher for and what are they awarded for?
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So a little bit more on that would be helpful, certainly. I like
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to think of the rewards the virtual bunch of flowers. So the amounts are
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fifty one hundred pounds. There are tax implications for that, which our colleagues
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and finance of happily dealt with. For us, they're classically given quite quickly
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after some wonderful piece of work has happened, so managers and colleagues are able
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to nominate people. There is of course a moderation of that to make sure
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that other the work hasn't been rewarded in more than once. But the key
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thing about these vouchers is not the value of the voucher, it's the value
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of the recognition. So I like to think, yeah, think of them
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as virtual flowers or a virtual box of chocolates. So there you have the
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rewards scheme. More to come in extra on that, Phil, I need
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to go and work for the MHR straight away on the business of that.
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That's nigh up on the website. Just give us a brief overview. Absolutely
28:41
if you like to understand why anyone who's university educated under the age of about
28:48
thirty five hates there OREWN history and culture, then go and watch this interview.
28:53
Brilliant. Thank you and Debbie, your blog is up. It is
28:57
indeed Jampa this week with all that you see on there and more. And
29:03
also if you've ever suffered from a urinary trapped infection, don't worry. There's
29:07
a vaccine heading your way very soon. Excellent, that's good news. And
29:12
well we want to highlight once again the Glasgow Freedom Rally taking place in George
29:18
Square, Glasgow one pm on Saturday, that's tomorrow, and so that's all
29:22
about exiting the who and what people can do to organize around that idea.
29:26
Another reminder of the Signs Beautiful Festival taking place in Wimborne and Dorset during twenty
29:32
seventh to the thirtieth. If you didn't see Wednesday's extra, then please go
29:37
and have a look at that because there are more details about this event on
29:40
there. And then also stand in the light that is taking place in Cumbria
29:47
in May. We'll we'll have somebody on to talk about that, I believe
29:52
on Wednesday's extra next week, so looking forward to that as well. Now,
29:57
ben let's come back to you and well Lord Bethnon, Yes, my
30:04
noble and gracious Lord Bethel has taken to the Internet to express some concerns.
30:11
He says that the Health and Benefits announcements this week have been uncomfortable for many
30:17
of us. However, denying the reality of the situation will only exacerbate the
30:21
issue. It's time to face the facts. A significant portion of the British
30:25
population is too physically and mentally on well to maintain employment. Some may never
30:30
be able to return to work. Let's hearing talking about this with Times Radio.
30:37
I think that we need to abandon this collective denial. I think the
30:41
government needs to look really close to these figured and accept the fact that there's
30:47
a huge genuine physical illness in the country and hundreds of thousands millions of people
30:53
are just too sick to work. And they are not just sick, they're
30:57
sick and fed up. The really striking number is that the average number of
31:02
morbidities is three. In other words, you've have three things wrong with them,
31:07
not just one. These aren't people who are just feeling a bit grumping,
31:10
can't get out of bed to go to work. These people who are
31:12
carrying a significant illness and in addition have got a mental health problems, which
31:18
is very common if you're ill. So we're sick as a nation. We
31:25
have more than three million people on personal independence payments now, which is what's
31:30
replace disability living allowance. Right, these are people who are permanently signed off
31:34
sick. It's about ten percent of the entire workforce. Just think about that.
31:40
It's an absolutely staggering figure. There's some analysis of these figures from ed
31:45
dowd Over on Twitter would show a seventy six point seven percent increase in new
31:51
claims in twenty twenty two and sixty nine point one percent in twenty twenty three.
31:56
So these numbers are going up quite significantly. Sorry, bad Ben,
32:00
Just before we move on, if we just put that graph back on screen,
32:05
is a coincidence that this stuff started in twenty twenty one? Well,
32:10
probably not. And I think that's really the issue at hand, isn't it.
32:15
Right? And a lot of this stuff's really bad, yeah, because
32:17
we're talking about serious, serious injuries to people. It's not just you know,
32:22
I can't quite get out of bed, or I'm a little bit down
32:25
and dump so you've got to sign me off work. We're talking about nervous
32:29
system damage. Especially. One of the most striking increases is as we can
32:35
see on this next chart is the new neuropathy claims are up six hundred and
32:39
eighty percent as of October twenty twenty three, and they started to rise in
32:45
twenty twenty one. And we all know what I started in twenty twenty one.
32:47
And Lord Bethel is absolutely right to be concerned about this, but probably
32:52
not for the reason that he's communicating to us, because Lord Bethel is a
33:00
noble lord. He sits in the upper chamber of the British political system,
33:05
and he is one of the most senior health ministers in the government, who
33:08
certainly was until very recently, but during the COVID years he was personally responsible
33:14
for all COVID procurement, so he oversaw that personally, and he also had
33:17
ministerial responsibility for the development of the new vaccines, working in close collaboration with
33:23
the pharmaceutical industry. The question is is he trying to clean up his mess?
33:28
Actually? I don't think that he is, actually because this appears to
33:30
be a ruse to roll out the next wave of their plan. So he's
33:35
just issued this document last week, I believe, or maybe the week before.
33:39
Health is Wealth a fast start or a covenant for health? They really
33:44
want to keep going on this authored by amongst others, Bethel, but also
33:47
David halpn Yes from the Behavioral Insights team, who is also very closely involved
33:53
in coercing the entire nation into participating in a medical experiment. And what do
33:59
they want to do, Well, it's all about pre emptive healthcare, preventative
34:02
healthcare. And they say we must optimize the potential of big data, database
34:07
segmentation, diagnostic tools and genomics to identify targeting intervene earlier in order to keep
34:15
people healthier. Right, So this is all part of the same technological paradigm
34:21
that got us into this mess in the first place. Indeed, and the
34:27
question is where are they going to get all the data for this big data
34:30
that they want to talk about. And of course, our data, our
34:35
personal data, is protected by the Data Protection Act, or is it,
34:38
Because in the very near future it's not going to be anymore, as we'll
34:43
come on to in a second. But the first thing I want to say
34:45
about the Data Protection Act is my argument has been for as long as I
34:49
can remember, that the Data Protection Act actually was never about protecting our personal
34:52
information. It was about creating a register of databasiness so that at some point
34:58
in the future since it was established, whoever wanted to get access to data,
35:05
knew where they could go to get access to particular data, and we
35:07
would start to see databases being merged when it was convenient, so it should
35:13
come. Perhaps there's no surprise then that the government has issued this. This
35:17
is all about combining vehicle data creates safer roads. Police says the government need
35:22
to be able to identify the most high risk vehicles on the roads, those
35:25
which are uninsured or which do not have a valid motor vehicle tax. But
35:30
this data is held by separate organizations and is not easily cross referenced. So
35:36
they say, National Policing Initiative Operation Tutelage compares automatic number plate recognition data with
35:43
information from the mother insurance database to identify drivers who do not have insurance.
35:46
Tutelage plus checks whether vehicles have VALIDMOTI certificate and whether vehicle excise duty has been
35:52
paid through checks against DVL, DVSSAY and DVLA databases. So they're starting to
35:59
merge these databases together and be able to query these databases at the same time.
36:05
Now, this might seem like a reasonably minor issue in terms of road
36:08
traffic incidents, but of course this is only the beginning, and this kind
36:13
of thing we're going to see spreading right across government. The question is who's
36:17
behind this and the answer is this lot. So this is the ACE part
36:25
by vivis. Let's have a look and see who this is. Oh,
36:30
just before we do, we should mention that the Accelerated Capability Environment ACE is
36:35
already in bed with offcome over online safety and censorship and so on. And
36:40
in fact, this little project, this little organization, which is big part
36:45
of a much bigger organization, as we'll see in a second, is into
36:49
all kinds of areas of government at the moment. So merging the databases for
36:53
driving offenses is just one of the aspects of this. But who is behind
36:58
the Accelerated Capability Environment. Well, it's Kinetic, which of course is a
37:01
defense contractor. So we're now in the defense looking at our personal data,
37:07
managing our personal databases and so on. So this is a Viviot framework.
37:10
Let's see what they have to say about this. The Accelerated Capability Environment solves
37:15
rapidly changing digital challenges facing law enforcement and national security agencies. So let's bring
37:21
the spooks in as well. We bring together expertise from industry, and academia
37:24
to innovate collaboratively and create a mission impact at pace typically weeks and months rather
37:30
than months and years typical of large delivery programs. And of course you might
37:34
say that there are parallels to vaccine development with this type of thing, because
37:38
we're all into making sure things are only taking weeks and months rather than months
37:43
or years. These days. We are a Home office capability within the Homeland
37:47
Security Group that was funded in March twenty seventeen with an initial priority of helping
37:52
solve frontline challenges in areas of communications, data and lawful intercept. Now I
37:59
don't know how many people are even aware that the UK has a Homeland Security
38:02
Group, but now you are. So that's that part of it. But
38:07
then we have new data protection legislation or data removal of protection legislation on its
38:15
way. We've talked about this before, but let's just bring it up to
38:17
date with it. This is a Data Protection and Digital Information Bill and that's
38:22
currently in the House of Lords at the committee stage and so it's well through
38:28
its progress through Parliament. And what's this all about. This is all about
38:31
enabling AI. That is what this is about. One hundred percent. So
38:35
let's just look at the various aspects of this. So first of all,
38:40
this legislation provides a wider scope for public authorities to refuse subject access requests.
38:46
So if you believe that your data has been used inappropriately, this particular legislation
38:52
will make it much more difficult for us to find out how our data has
38:55
been used by public authorities, and they'll have much more scope for refusal for
39:00
giving that information out. It enables solely automated decision making, So this is
39:06
AI into the public sector, making sure that agencies, whether that be HMRC
39:12
or whomever, are making automated decisions. Perhaps this is heading into the courts
39:16
as well. We know that AI is heading into the courts, but this
39:20
legislation enables that lesser requirement for a proper impact assessment. So the current data
39:24
protection regime is saying that any kind of use of data needs to be necessary
39:31
and it needs to be proportionate, and this legislation removes that protection. In
39:36
many ways. It enables international transfers to personal data because many of these large
39:42
AI companies are international, of course, and so our personal data which can't
39:45
currently be exported to the United States, for example, will be able to
39:51
be exported to the United States under this legislation. But this is again the
39:55
most worrying aspect of this. It gives the secretest state broad paths to amend
40:00
data protection laws via stature instruments. So again we have secondary legislation being used
40:07
to basically within the primary legislation. It becomes an enabling act that the less
40:13
secretist did to do whatever the heck he likes in the future. This is
40:16
extremely dangerous and this whole data protection regime needs to be dealt with. It's
40:22
not too late still, It's still only in the House of Lords. It
40:25
is a committee stage. There's still opportunity to stop it if we get organized
40:30
around that. So keep an eye on this, Ben. Let's come back
40:36
to you then for well, what's Channel one? Could there be more AI
40:39
related stuff? Everything's are related these days. I think yes. I introduced
40:45
Channel one back in December. It's a new media organization and let's find a
40:52
little bit about what they're about. Hello, and welcome to Channel one.
41:00
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41:12
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41:17
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41:23
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41:28
of AI generated reporters. Maybe you hear the words artificial intelligence and you're immediately
41:35
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41:39
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Technology may be the tool, but journalism's core values of integrity and accountability
42:00
are at the heart of everything we do. Accurate, unbiased, integrity,
42:09
fact checked. Sounds fantastic, doesn't it. That's got a huge amount of
42:14
coverage when it launched back in December. We can see here the chief executive,
42:20
Adam Mosem, who's based out of the Bahamas. I've actually been thinking
42:24
to myself this morning, is this guy even real? Is this an AI?
42:30
On LinkedIn? It's entirely possible that it is, you know, right,
42:32
So anyway, he was talking back in December about how exciting the launch
42:37
was. We can just click on we can see here saying that they got
42:43
five million impressions on Twitter. Elon even dropped by to comment on the launch,
42:47
loads of mainstream media coverage, then five thousand inquiries come in and then
42:53
this week they've reaped their head again. So this has now been activated.
42:58
Yeah, they teed it up on down the line. He's now been activated.
43:01
And it caught my attention yesterday because they just launched fourteen new films in
43:08
various different languages. They've got English, German, Korean, Japanese like the
43:15
whole it's a global launch essentially that they put out. And it's this guy,
43:22
Adam mOsm who's the founder, talking about what their plans are for this
43:25
year. Hello everyone, we a Channel one are humbled by the positive response
43:34
we've received after millions of viewers across the globe saw what we're working on.
43:37
Today, we'll give you more details about what we hope will be the start
43:42
of a new chapter in journalism and global communication. We have all heard that
43:45
the news industry is in a state of crisis, facing decreasing audiences and intense
43:51
economic pressure. Many respected brands that have been around for generations are now struggling
43:55
to stay afloat. In an attempt to maintain their audience, outlets have resortis
44:00
to telling people only what they want to hear, confirming their biases and reinforcing
44:05
their worldview. This dangerous loop leads to polarization, and we're now seeing the
44:10
effects of this at our society. In some extreme cases, we've seen our
44:15
news providers deliberately cross the boundary of truth into knowing falsehood to preserve their narrative.
44:21
As a result, trust in our institutions is at an all time recorded
44:24
low. We must get to a place where we can at least have a
44:28
set of shared facts, separate the opinion and understand the difference. Only then
44:35
can we have meaningful debates and conversations about our society. It's time for a
44:39
reinvention. So, I mean everything that he says that he's trying to fix,
44:45
I think, well, he'll end up doing the opposite. I think
44:49
it's probably the point with this stuff, right. So he just said in
44:52
the pace there that things are becoming more polarized, it's difficult to have conversations
44:57
across different ideological all lines, and that we don't have a set of shared
45:02
facts that we can all agree on. Now. In the first video that
45:06
I just showed, they talked about total personalization of your news feed based on
45:09
you as an individual right, and they're actually going to construct narratives, construct
45:14
headlines, construct content based on your individual perspective, which is the complete opposite
45:21
to us having a shared understanding of what's going on. So that this organization
45:28
is fascinating. I think that now that they have been activated with this launch,
45:31
we're going to see a lot more of them. I think that the
45:37
aim of this appears to be to sow as much it's called and confusion and
45:43
chaos as possible, and I'll be keeping a very close eye on them.
45:46
Yes, thanks Ben, And just to finish this segment off, then let's
45:50
look at this little bit of video that the British government was pushing out today
45:52
because the second AI Safety Summit is going to take place in saul in the
45:57
twenty first and twenty second and Bay and Will. They say that the summit
46:00
will spearhead discussions and AI safety, addressing the potential capabilities of the most advanced
46:06
AI models, building on the Bleedsley Declaration and wider agreements which we're agreed at
46:12
the AI Safety Summit in the UK last November, which included commitments from developers
46:16
on AI safety. So that's taking place in the coming days. We will
46:21
at least next month, so we will tell you more about that closer to
46:23
the time. But you know, of course, we as we've described all
46:28
the way through this program, this really is a veneer of safety on top
46:32
of a pretty unpleasant regime that's on its way. So we'll leave that there
46:37
for and I Debbie over to you and introduce a couple of special guests because
46:43
we're Professor Norman Fenton and Cherl Grainger with us. We do indeed, and
46:49
thank you so much for this because the MHR here, we are going back
46:53
to the MHRA again. The MHRA meets finally the Information Commissioners of and the
47:00
question is is how important is the health of pregnant women and our unborn babies,
47:07
bearing in mind that we know all the dangers of COVID and Cheryl has
47:10
forever seemingly been trying to get some data from the MHRA because she knows,
47:20
she knows that the MHRA have got very valuable data. But let me introduce
47:24
Cheryl because Cheryl's information has also made a Professor Norman Fenton's attention. So Cheryl,
47:35
welcome to UK column. Thank you so much. You have been trying
47:38
to get this data, vital data from the MHRA for a long time.
47:45
Tell us a bit more about where you're at now. Thanks Debbie, Hello
47:51
everybody, Yes I have it was all your fault, Debbie, because you've
47:53
got me to listen to the All Whales Therapeutic Toxicology Center presentation that June rain
48:01
bless He did in the seventeenth of November twenty twenty two, and there she
48:07
talked about this yellow Card monitor. So my ears pricked up because she was
48:10
talking about the information that it would be able to give us on pregnancy,
48:16
because she had about two thousand pregnant women and she was very pleased with the
48:20
fact that she had a denominator so she'd be able to work out percentages and
48:23
what have you. So because of that, I wanted to see the monitor,
48:29
so I wrote my freedom of information request and I asked lots of questions
48:32
about what the monitor was reporting on. I wanted to know about how they
48:37
were monitored and which trimestered the pregnancy of the pregnancy of the vacccination was given.
48:43
I wanted to talk about miscarriage levels and stillbursts and spontaneous abortions. Did
48:49
they record any how many went to full term congenital malformations, any serious adverse
48:54
events that they were reporting, and then to go into breastfeeding facts that came
48:59
out of them. And my final question was did this cohort of pregnant women
49:05
influence the mhra's risk benefit analysis which they keep telling us about. So I
49:10
did the freedom of information and I basically got a Section twenty two refusal,
49:16
which means that they're holding back information with a view to its future publication,
49:21
with no mention as to how long it was going to take to publish,
49:24
and they stated, we do not consider that the public interest is best by
49:29
releasing the information to you ahead of its formal presentation. So they wanted to
49:34
develop a scientific publication that had been peer reviewed, and they said, by
49:38
a bit more questioning that they were going to do at the end of twenty
49:42
three early twenty four. Well, obviously that's been gone, so we now
49:45
wondering when this is going to happen, if at all. With that refusal,
49:52
I also was given an interim report. So this is the MHRA going
49:59
to one of their committees, the former Covigilance Expert Advisory Group. They always
50:02
have wonderful names, don't they, And they basically were presented the information from
50:07
the monitor within the interim report that they let us have, so it was
50:12
basic data, and they did that in July twenty one, so that was
50:16
quite early on, and the group didn't decide that they were going to publish
50:21
this information so that they could stop any harm coming to pregnant ladies. And
50:27
it was about the time that the monitor was stopped because it only ran for
50:30
about seven months, So was that on the advice of the group to stop
50:32
getting any more information on pregnancy. We don't know. The summary product characteristics
50:40
actually still states that there were no vaccine related effects on female fertility, pregnancy,
50:45
and embryo and fetal or offspring development, so it still states that.
50:51
So when I was refused, I went back and asked for an internal review,
50:54
and of course the MHRA reviews themselves obligation in handling the freedom of information
51:01
request and Section twenty two which correctly applied with what they concluded. And then
51:07
the only thing I could do then was go and do a challenge through the
51:10
ICO and we got their response the other day, but that was sent off
51:16
on the twenty fourth of November, which obviously meant that they'd taken a long
51:21
time to come back to us. So I'd really like to remind everybody about
51:24
the results that this interim the board has actually produced, and asked Norman to
51:30
go through that for me. Yeah, can you hear me? Okay,
51:38
we can hear you, Norman, can we see you, Yes, you're
51:42
there. Hello, Norman, welcome to the column. Thank you so much.
51:45
I'm absolutely delighted you can join us. And for people that aren't aware,
51:51
let's just remind people Professor Norman Fenton, Emeritus Professor of Risk, Queen
51:57
Mary, University of London, and I'd just like to die direct people to
52:00
Professor Fenton's sub stack there. And this is the latest entry, the one
52:07
that Cheryl is referring to. The MHRA still won't release critical data on vaccinated
52:13
pregnant women. So yes, Professor Fenton, please take it away, and
52:17
Cheryl please ask questions when you need to. Yeah. So, the thing
52:22
about that yellow card vaccine monitor system that they set up when the vaccines were
52:29
rolled out was that Unlike the normal yellow card, this was this was an
52:34
active respond system, so they were the people who signed up this were expected
52:39
to report adverse events. So yeah, you might get a few more reports
52:44
than you would otherwise get from most people. But the shocking thing was that
52:47
I think was something like twenty five thousand people signed up with whom, as
52:51
Cheryl said, I think was a bit less than two thousand, but somewhere
52:54
in that region of two thousand pregnant women. Remarkable, over fifty three percent
53:01
of all of the people reported at least one adverse reaction within those first few
53:07
months, which astonishing figure. And of the pregnant women, sixty six percent
53:13
of those who actually had the Astroseneka vaccine reported at least one adverse reaction.
53:19
I think it was that it was a sixty one percent from maderna thirty eight
53:22
percent for fires. And we're talking about in that short period when when it
53:27
was active, and of course I don't know, we don't know what actually
53:30
happened, but they when as some Cheryl said, they they must have been
53:35
they must have been pretty worried anyway about these these data because the way they
53:38
sent it off to these you know, there's the the safety analysis experts at
53:43
this whatever it was, this Farmer Farmer covigilance group. And then, as
53:49
charl said, then it stopped. We didn't you know, they kind of
53:52
like there must have been some safety signals here, but they never provided anything
53:57
more than this very very basic data simply indicated that there must have been some
54:01
kind of a safety signal with those kinds of high proportions of adverse reactions being
54:08
reported. And what's what's kind of like remarkable, this this whole exemption,
54:14
this this excuse that they're they're that they're able to use to enable them not
54:21
to publish the results that they clearly have the detailed results that they that their
54:27
plan. All they had to do is say they're planning to submit a peer
54:30
reviewed paper, right, so, as Cheryl said, they you know,
54:34
they that was supposed to be done at the end of twenty twenty three,
54:37
begin the twenty twenty four. It hasn't happened. But the point is,
54:42
what does it even mean because they're saying that they they're only going to publish
54:45
it as a peer reviewed paper. Well, if you want to get a
54:47
peer reviewed paper rejected, all you have to do is write it out very
54:51
badly, it won't get accepted. So if they if they submit it to
54:54
a journal, they can say, well, we prepared this paper, but
54:58
it didn't get accepted. That then does that then allow them to never to
55:01
report these results or does it then mean that they're expected to go on forever
55:06
until they some point in the future get it into a form which is fit
55:09
for which actually part is peer of view. We've got no idea, I
55:14
mean, I have no confidence in the peer of view process whatsoever. But
55:17
what we do know about it is that papers that have challenged, that have
55:22
let's say, challenge the safe and effective COVID narrative have found it very,
55:25
very difficult to get peer of viewed, even if they're very well written.
55:30
Whereas papers that support the narrative, you know it's safe and effective, you
55:37
know, using all the tricky techniques, you know, the cheap trick techniques
55:40
that we reported on which massively exaggerate the safety and effort to the vaccines,
55:45
Those those get fast tracked into into peer of viewed papers. So you know
55:50
what's going on here. I mean, if it's if it really is presenting
55:53
some negative results, it's not going to even past peer review. So it
55:57
will never you know, if there are safety signals there, it won't even
56:00
get it won't get accepted in the major journals. Well, it appears to
56:07
me, Norman, as though it's a get out of jail free card for
56:09
the MHR, and that they might never release the data. Cheryl, can
56:14
I bring you in for a comment here, please, and perhaps you'd like
56:15
to address this with Norman. Yeah. I mean we're saying, Oh,
56:22
they're saying, Norman that it's because it's a novel technology and methodology. So
56:25
my question is is it because you've got the safe in America? And I
56:29
presume you've got these sorts of things being done in different areas, and that's
56:34
why they're saying it needs a peer review. Do these data sets normally get
56:37
peer reviewed? No? No, there's no justification for this whatsoever. But
56:43
I'll tell you something else that's incredibly relevant to this, which Fun and Love
56:46
also did a story about last week, because it is really related to this.
56:52
It's the story of uk HSI and the way they handle the pregnancy data
56:59
from the safety data from the vaccines in pregnancy. So UK just says UK
57:02
Health Security Agency, and I reported back in two thousand, I think it
57:08
was twenty twenty two. I found that they were basically the of a word
57:14
for it. They were scamming the public with their reports on the data.
57:19
So they were basically producing a report. Their report was supposed to produce information
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comparing bad outcomes from pregnancy, so these would be things like miscarriages and steel
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births between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated pregnant women, right, which is exactly
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what we're interested in. We want to know the difference. And they were
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effectively claiming, well, there isn't any difference, therefore there's no there is
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absolutely no safety signal here, right. But you know, what they did
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is quite incredible. They were classifying all women who got the vaccine prior to
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pregnancy, even if it was one day prior to them getting pregnant. They
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were put in the bucket of these with the unvaccinated. So well, it
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wasn't unvaccinated against vaccinates they were doing. It was it was the unvaccinated and
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those vaccinated but pre pregnancy who were compared with the with the those vaccinated during
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pregnancy. And this was completely outrageous and the reason why, and it just
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so happened that a few couple of weeks after that, Laura Kenny, who
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was the formerly Laura Trot, the Britain's greatest ever female athlete when winner of
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five gold medals, the cyclist at the and who'd last won goal at the
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at the Tokyo Olympics in twenty twenty one, she came out publicly saying that
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in November of twenty twenty one she had a miscarriage, and that was a
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miscarriage, nine week miscarriage, that she'd got pregnant after the Olympics. We
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know that. And then in January of twenty twenty two she had necktopic pregnancy.
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Now I don't know whether I'm not saying that these are by the vaccine,
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but what we certainly do know and this was what and we know it
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now for sure now, which is why I updated it after she announced her
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her retirement a couple of weeks ago. She definitely had two she was fully
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does she got two doses of the of the COVID vaccine prior to those Olympics.
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And how do we know that because whereas it wasn't mandatory for all athletes
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to be vaccinated to get to Tokyo Olympics, it was mandatory for all British
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athletes Theasian mandated it. So we absolutely know that she was vaccinated shortly before
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going to Tokyo. And we absolutely know that she had a miscarriage and an
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ectopic pregnancy after she had been vaccinated, but not during pregnancy. And that
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means or at least almost certainly, she didn't get it during pregnancy. She's
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got it just before. That means those two negative, those two bad outcomes
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of Laura Kenny would have been classified and recorded in that UKH say data with
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the bucket of the unvaccinated, And this is the kind of scan that we're
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this is we're up against an enormous obfuscation. It's not just that they're not
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they're not telling us the full data, they're obfiscating the data that they do
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have. It's Professor Fenton. I think I have to say just to finish
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this segment up because we're we're running out of time. Thank you so much,
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but I think we have to say that we absolutely know that the MHR
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have the data and we must see it. So keep tuned because there's going
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to be very much more on this in the near future. Thank you both
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very much. Indeed, yes, thank you very much, to Cheryl Grainger
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and Professor or Fentan, and to Debbie and Ben for today's program. Thank
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you all for watching. We will be back in a few minutes. If
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you're a UK call a member for some extra but otherwise, have a great
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weekend. We'll see you on Monday, and we'll see them. Bye bye, everything,