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Patriots Catch-22 2/11: Super Bowl LX Recap, Up/Down Takeaways, Offseason Outlook · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Blazarre from Lazarren, Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always.
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  Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barre.
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  Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Hello, we're back in the studio, back
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  Speaker 1: in Foxborough. After let's just call what it is, Alex.
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  Speaker 1: A pretty disappointing end to our trip to the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: It was a fun trip though. We had a good Yuah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's cool to cover the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: You would have liked it to end on a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit maybe maybe, But that doesn't wipe out the the
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  Speaker 1: first seven days of the trip that were very, very
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  Speaker 1: fun until the game actually started on Sunday. But hello, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: it's Evan Lazarre, it's Alice Barth, it's Alex behind the glass,
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  Speaker 1: and we're in our new not new, but o. It's
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  Speaker 1: called our off season time slot. So PU obviously goes
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  Speaker 1: to two times a week in the off season, so
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  Speaker 1: we slide right into this new to two time slot
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 3: Give me a little more awake, a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: More awake, a little bit more in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the day. So all good things.
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  Speaker 1: So this is where we'll be unless something else happens
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  Speaker 1: that causes us to move this time. You can expect
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  Speaker 1: us to be at this time twelve to two on Wednesdays, live,
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  Speaker 1: moving forward until the we get back going in five
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  Speaker 1: months or whatever that is. But for now, we have
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl to unfortunately do an autopsy on that
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get to.
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  Speaker 2: I have some big picture thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I got to get off my chest about the off
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  Speaker 1: season and about this team and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Moving forward here as well, we will do the good,
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  Speaker 1: the bad, the stuff that gets you beat. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be honest again, it was kind of hard to come
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  Speaker 1: up with too many good It's like.
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  Speaker 3: I got.
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  Speaker 1: Two players, Yeah, two players played at a championship level
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  Speaker 1: in the game on Sunday, and then I have some
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  Speaker 1: like good butts, you know, like these guys were good,
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  Speaker 1: but they probably would like to have a few plays back.
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  Speaker 1: So then we'll get to all that good stuff as well.
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  Speaker 1: In the second hour of the show, we'll take your
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  Speaker 1: calls and emails will open show up, and we'll start
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  Speaker 1: discussing this thing. But the big picture thought that I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to start with, I have a couple so just
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  Speaker 1: bear with me, everybody, because I got to get on
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  Speaker 1: my soapbox and vent a little bit about all everything
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  Speaker 1: that's happened both on Sunday and also what transpired in
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  Speaker 1: the aftermath of them losing the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: I think the biggest place I want to start, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's gonna be a lot of questions, probably
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  Speaker 1: starting today Alex on this show about the draft, about
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  Speaker 1: free agency, about what's next.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what should they do?
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  Speaker 1: What's the plan in terms of names. I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 1: totally honest with everybody. I have no freaking clue. So
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  Speaker 1: don't don't sit here and ask me who they're drafting.
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  Speaker 1: At thirty one on February eleventh, two days three days
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  Speaker 1: after the super Bowl ended, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. So I know that this is one
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  Speaker 2: of those shows.
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  Speaker 3: I know that that's what we do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I promise you that starting next week and
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  Speaker 1: then a certainly starting combine week, I'll have some names.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have some takes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start diving into that film as soon
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  Speaker 1: as my brain, like you know, gets back to normal
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  Speaker 1: from this trip to the to the super Bowl. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here today and tell you
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  Speaker 1: that I have all the answers to those types of questions.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I have some names, but do you remember
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  Speaker 3: I think it was eighteen right when they won, and
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  Speaker 3: Bill gets up to the podium and made the joke
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  Speaker 3: about we're six weeks behind everybody else in the offseason.
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  Speaker 3: We are six weeks he It wasn't kidding, Like I
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  Speaker 3: got a couple names, But I'm definitely not where I
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  Speaker 3: usually am with the draft at this point for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of the plan for this is
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  Speaker 3: the last Super Bowl reaction thing I'm doing. That's on
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  Speaker 3: my calendar. Yeah, and I'm getting home from this and
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  Speaker 3: then it's time to really start digging into that the last.
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  Speaker 2: Couple of years and this is gonna, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever cool for us, right we got we were at
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  Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl a couple of years ago. That was
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  Speaker 1: Bill's last year right as the coach. Then I've been
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  Speaker 1: into the Senior Bowl two years in a row. I
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  Speaker 1: have These are the drafts that I have never been
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  Speaker 1: more prepared for drafts in my life than I was
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  Speaker 1: the last couple And now I'm gonna never be as
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  Speaker 1: unprepared for a draft as I am for this one.
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  Speaker 1: So bear with us, bear with me in terms of
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  Speaker 1: all the names that you guys are going to want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about and throw at us and all that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. The other thing that you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can't talk a big picture though, right and we can't
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  Speaker 1: talk about off season plans and what this team should
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  Speaker 1: do to get better and to get over the hump
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  Speaker 1: and win the Super Bowl next year. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: everybody's goal is. And of course they have a much
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  Speaker 1: tougher schedule on paper next year, so they might be
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  Speaker 1: a better team themselves, but their record is probably going
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  Speaker 1: to be worse just reflective of the schedule, and so
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  Speaker 1: they have to continue to get better.
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  Speaker 2: They have to continue to stack talent on this team.
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  Speaker 1: With that all being said, and I got a little
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  Speaker 1: feisty about this yesterday on PU I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear about wholesale changes to the roster. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear about the fact that they need a whole
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  Speaker 1: new offensive line. I don't want to hear about the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they have all these holes to fill. They
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  Speaker 1: were just four quarters away from winning a championship. They lost,
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  Speaker 1: and they lost handily, and there's reasons for that. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to get to all of that. But let's not
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  Speaker 1: lose sight of the fact that you have a Coach
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  Speaker 1: of the Year, you have a quarterback was the runner
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  Speaker 1: up for the MVP. You won seventeen games including playoffs
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  Speaker 1: this season. This is not the same place this team
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  Speaker 1: has been the last couple of off seasons where they
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  Speaker 1: have to really turn over the entire roster.
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  Speaker 3: It's unmanageable to do list this time around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so there's needs, there's holes, But like Mike
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  Speaker 1: Rabels said yesterday, they're building a program. That program is
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  Speaker 1: being built a lot like a house. And to me
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  Speaker 1: right now, Alex, I don't know how you feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: They have a foundation to the home. They have walls,
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  Speaker 1: they have a ceiling, they have a roof over their head.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're starting to remodel the inside. Right now is
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  Speaker 1: when you get the fancy granite countertop and the sub
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  Speaker 1: zero appliances and the nice couch and the flat screen
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  Speaker 1: TV on the wall and all that different kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: That's all the things that we're talking about this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: I understand everybody is really upset about how the game
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  Speaker 1: went and disappointed about how the game went, but we're
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  Speaker 1: not talking about them turning over fifty percent.
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  Speaker 2: Of the roster again like they had to do last
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  Speaker 2: off season.
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  Speaker 1: So I just want to put that out there because
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  Speaker 1: you know, yesterday, like I said, we had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of calls, a lot of emails about they need five
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  Speaker 1: new starters on the offensive line, They need four new
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  Speaker 1: starters on the offensive line. They need to move this
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  Speaker 1: guy to left guard, they need to move this guy
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  Speaker 1: to center, and the need to sign this and sign
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  Speaker 1: that they need some upgrades in certain areas. Let's not
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  Speaker 1: lose sight of the fact that all of us, let's
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  Speaker 1: say at Sunday, I was going to say three because
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  Speaker 1: of the time change Sunday at six pm, we all
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  Speaker 1: thought that they were a pretty good team, right, and
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  Speaker 1: then the next four hours unfolded and it didn't go
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  Speaker 1: so well.
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  Speaker 2: So that's my thought on that.
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  Speaker 1: I have some other thoughts on the game as well,
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  Speaker 1: just the last thing, and then you know, feel free
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  Speaker 1: to jump in. There's one question though, that I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to hold their feet to the fire with a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about this team. And I'm looking at Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Josh McDaniels, and I hope in
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  Speaker 1: two weeks when We talked to Mike Rabel and Elliott
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  Speaker 1: Wolf at the combine. They have some sort of answer
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  Speaker 1: for this question. The question is what happened to the
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  Speaker 1: offense in the playoffs? Why did the offense go from
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight twenty nine points a game number two in
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  Speaker 1: the league during the regular season to sixteen point eight
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  Speaker 1: points per game in the playoffs, a twelve point decrease
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  Speaker 1: from the playoffs to the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: Was it injuries to Campbell, injuries to Drake May? Was
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  Speaker 2: it level of competition? Was it young players growing pains?
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  Speaker 3: Was it scheme?
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  Speaker 2: Was it talent? They have to answer that question.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember in twenty twenty one, Bill Belichick got
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  Speaker 1: to the podium after they got their doors blown off
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  Speaker 1: of them by Buffalo in the playoffs, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: we need to decide was this a bad night or
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  Speaker 1: is this who we are? And I think for this team,
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  Speaker 1: they need to decide was it which offense is the
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  Speaker 1: real offense? The regular season offense or the playoff offense?
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  Speaker 1: Because if they feel like it's more towards the playoff
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  Speaker 1: offense and they have.
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  Speaker 2: Some work to do.
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  Speaker 1: If they feel like the regular season offense is really
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  Speaker 1: who they were and in the playoffs circumstances, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whether great defenses, injuries, injuries, young players, and key spots
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  Speaker 1: playing in big time games for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: Was it all of that? And I hate to call
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  Speaker 2: him excuses, but kind of excuses or was it?
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  Speaker 1: They are short in talent and key areas you know,
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, wide receiver, playmaker or whatever you want to
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  Speaker 1: call it. So that's the one question that I think
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  Speaker 1: needs to get answered. But I don't want to lose
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  Speaker 1: sight of the fact of all the things that they
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  Speaker 1: accomplished at the same time, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of all of it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a little bit of the injuries, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of the opponent, a little bit themselves, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of the weather. They definitely need to get better
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  Speaker 3: on offense. But I'm with you, like I don't want
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  Speaker 3: them to overreact to one game. I think you factor
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  Speaker 3: it in and it's important and that's the best opponent
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  Speaker 3: you played all year, so you want to be able
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  Speaker 3: to live up to that level. But Drake may was
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  Speaker 3: playing with an injured shoulder, Will Campbell's playing with torn
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  Speaker 3: ligament in his knee. You know, who knows how banged
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  Speaker 3: up some of those other guys were, Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think you start from scratch or anything like that. I
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  Speaker 3: think that would be a massive overreaction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, that's a tough question to answer because
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  Speaker 1: only they really know the details of all these different things. Right,
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  Speaker 1: How how injured were the injured guys? You know, how
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  Speaker 1: injured was Will Campbell's knee? How injured was Drake May's shoulder?
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's said that his shoulder injury occurred in
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: the third quarter of the AFC Championship game on the
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  Speaker 1: hit that doctor Chow highlighted.
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  Speaker 3: On Twitter, and he made I know that that him
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  Speaker 3: and Vrabel had talked about it just being things over
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  Speaker 3: the course of the year. He kind of said yesterday
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  Speaker 3: like that was an unfortunate hit and unfortunate time. Right,
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  Speaker 3: it does sound like that hit did something.
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  Speaker 1: So if that hit was when it truly happened, then
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: that doesn't explain the Chargers and Texans play in Broncos
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  Speaker 1: games really like maybe the fourth quarter of the Broncos game,
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  Speaker 1: but not the first half. So there's still some bad
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  Speaker 1: football in there from Drake May and the offense pre
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  Speaker 1: shoulder injury in the playoffs, So why did they get there?
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why was that there? You know, what happened in the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs to them?
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  Speaker 1: As for the game itself, and I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of thoughts on this, you know, in terms of I've
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: heard a lot of they just got beat they just
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: got beat by a better team, And to some extent,
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to accept that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm willing to agree with that line of thinking.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely let's see the forest for the trees, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: let's not lose sight of the fact that Seattle was
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  Speaker 1: just a better team. But one wouldn't make for a
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  Speaker 1: great show if I just said they just won, I
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: just lost to a better team.
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  Speaker 2: Seattle is just better.
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  Speaker 1: We can just wrap We can just wrap the show
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  Speaker 1: up now, right and call it a day, if that's
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  Speaker 1: all we think. I would also say that I thought,
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  Speaker 1: watching back the offense, that there were opportunities not a
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a ton I'm not talking about you know,
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  Speaker 1: a dozen plays, but let's call it five or six
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  Speaker 1: plays where there were opportunities to make plays down the
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  Speaker 1: field in the passing game, that if a handful of
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  Speaker 1: those plays hit and go in a different direction, especially
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  Speaker 1: when the game was still you know, six nothing twelve nothing,
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  Speaker 1: nine to nothing early on in the game, before it
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  Speaker 1: kind of got away from them, this game would have
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  Speaker 1: been a lot different.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm hard on coaches. I am. I'm hard on
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  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. I was hard on Girodmeo.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be hard on Mike Rabel and Josh
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  Speaker 1: McDaniels because I expect the coaching to have the players
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  Speaker 1: prepared and to have sound game plans and to be
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: ready to go against the best of the best. And
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald is the best of the best on the
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  Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. And I expect McDaniels because
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: I respect the heck out of him and I respect
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: his acumen, his ability. He's a great offensive coordinator. I
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  Speaker 1: expect him to be able to go toe to toe
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  Speaker 1: with a guy like Mike McDonald. And I thought in
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  Speaker 1: this game there was just some really perplexing game plan
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  Speaker 1: decisions and play calling decisions by Josh McDaniels that led
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  Speaker 1: to the offense not just having a bad day, but
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  Speaker 1: having like a catastrophically bad day, right, And maybe there
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  Speaker 1: was a middle ground there where if the coaching kind
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  Speaker 1: of props it up just a little bit, they could
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  Speaker 1: have had a mediocre day that would have kept them
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  Speaker 1: in the game instead of what we saw on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to get into the particulars of that,
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  Speaker 1: But what did you just think of McDaniels the coaching
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  Speaker 1: in this game, Because I also thought there were some
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  Speaker 1: things that Mike Rabel, just from a game management standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: that he did that were a little bit head scratching
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  Speaker 1: as well. Knocked down for the two there and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, punting on fourth and one, you know, down
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  Speaker 1: twelfth to nothing, timeouts before halftime were kind of a
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  Speaker 1: little bit wonky.
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  Speaker 2: It just did not feel like the Patriots coach this
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  Speaker 2: game very well.
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  Speaker 3: No, it didn't. I'd say to McDaniels. My big critique
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  Speaker 3: there is I don't think you could win this game
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  Speaker 3: being a one dimensional run team against Seattle. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 3: were having some success. I get they didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: test the run defense of Seattle too much, but mixing
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  Speaker 3: that in a little more, there was like a third
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  Speaker 3: and five draw when it felt like they were picking
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  Speaker 3: up a little momentum that halted it. Yeah, some of
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  Speaker 3: the game management stuff, the time out usage, not going
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  Speaker 3: for two there at the end. This was not like
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  Speaker 3: the coaching was part of this too. It's not like
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  Speaker 3: the players just came out flat, you know, and couldn't
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  Speaker 3: execute what appeared to be a good game plan. I
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  Speaker 3: think everybody had a hand in this.
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  Speaker 1: It was weird because I just can't really explain the
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  Speaker 1: math of the not going for two.
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  Speaker 2: So you're down, So I tell you what it is.
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  Speaker 1: But the difference between scoring thirteen and being down thirteen
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  Speaker 1: and being down twelve you still need two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it is. Because I've heard this
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  Speaker 3: and this. You're gonna roll your eyes at this, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of sort of with you on this. A
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  Speaker 3: little bit I have heard and I actually let me say,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know for sure this is what it is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I have heard some coaches at different levels talk
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  Speaker 3: about when it's like you're behind for most of the
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  Speaker 3: game and you're really spinning your wheels, you can't get
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  Speaker 3: anything going. You score, just kick the extra points. You
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  Speaker 3: keep the momentum right, you score that touchdown, you're feeling
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  Speaker 3: good about yourself. If you then go out and get
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  Speaker 3: blown up on a two point play, any momentum you
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  Speaker 3: had is lost. So that's in the past. How I've
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  Speaker 3: heard that decision defended. Is that Look, we got in
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  Speaker 3: the end zone. We just wanted to feel good about
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  Speaker 3: that and we didn't want to like kind of have
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  Speaker 3: that that feeling for the offense suddenly ripped away on
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: the two point play. That's I've heard it defended in
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  Speaker 3: the past. I don't think that's a spot where that
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  Speaker 3: defense makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Rabel has talked a lot about like
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  Speaker 1: sudden changes in momentum, like when things are going Now,
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  Speaker 1: this game wasn't going their way.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I think it was such a steep hill.
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  Speaker 3: Ye ye, how to do it? And I believe in
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  Speaker 3: moment to them like I'm just makes you nerds, I
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: understand the human element.
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  Speaker 1: I just the part is that there's no downside because
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  Speaker 1: if you if you don't get it, then you're down thirteen.
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  Speaker 3: So you still need to touch the downside as you
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  Speaker 3: lose the momentum. The offense is feeling good, they got
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: the ball in the end zone, and like if it
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: goes bad, right, if you take it goes really bad,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: you take a sack, you get picked off. Whatever you do,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: now you're kind of you know, the quarterback, the line
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: maybe they're not.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: The numbers don't make any sense.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying that that's how i've heard it defending. Okay,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: but if they I don't agree, and that spot you
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: go for two. I don't think that that defense makes
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: sense in that situation. But I'm telling you how it makes.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Sense when you're leading in the game, and maybe if
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: you go for two it makes it like a sixteen
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: point game instead of a fifteen point game. But you
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: don't want any sudden changes of momentum where if they
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: get a two point conversion, stop now all of a sudden, their.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Defense they're buzzing. Alon.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's buzzing a little bit.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: This game.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: They were down nineteen to six, so they're down thirteen points.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: A two point conversion makes it a field goal touchdown.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Again, it was a mistake. I'm just telling you. You're
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: you're wondering why they did it, Okay. I don't know
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: that that's exactly why, But I've heard that defense given
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: in similar situations.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: In the past, and I understand this is not why
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: they lost the game. But I'm just trying to outline,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: well the different decisions that I thought.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Later where they really didn't need it right, So there
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: was that one to say I did it backwards right.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense. The things that I really
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: feel like though lost the game. Just to go back
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to Josh McDaniels in the offense a little bit, I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: think the number one thing on the list that I'm
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: not going to rattle off a couple of different things,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: but this is by far the number one thing. They
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: went into this game without a real plan of how
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to handle pressure, and like, I just don't understand that
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: because I I respect McDaniels so much. Like I said earlier,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just shocked that he went into this game against one.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Even though they don't blitz at.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: A high volume, they are a very very good blitzing
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: defense when they do blitz. So this had to have
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: been something that they were looking at and thinking about
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: a lot. And there were just too many times where
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Seattle brought pressure and there was just no viable answer
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: for Drake May Like, there's just three receivers running vertical
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: routes down the field against all against pressure, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: significant pressure that Seattle's bringing through, you know the B
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: gap mostly with those DV blitzes. He's got no hot
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have enough guys to block the blitz so
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: they can't just block it and hold it up. You know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: he was left without enough blockers and without hot like
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: way too often. Like that's not a way that you
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: can live.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: In the NFL, you either need to solve the problem
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: one way or another. Either you put an extra blocker
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: in there and you go seven man pass protection to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: block if they bring seven, or you go six man
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: pass pro. But you like sneak the running back out
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and there's an answer. There's a slant,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: there's a little hook route, you know, behind the blitz.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: There's something of that nature. And I keep going back
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to one of the first third downs of the game,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: as a third and nine right over midfield. They had
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: moved the ball a little bit at this point on
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: their or their opening drive, and Seattle brought cover zero.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: They brought it all out pressure. Two guys off the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: edges come out in pressure and the Patriots just have
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: three guys running vertically down the field and they have
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: nobody to block. Devin Witherspoon coming off the edge and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he just comes in and is immediately on top of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Drake May, and Drake May ends up having to throw
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the ball away. So we can talk a little bit
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: about Drake May there. You know, maybe it's him recognizing
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: it pre snap, him changing the cadence, you know, to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: be able to pick up that they might be blitzing
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and tip off that they might be blitzing. You know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: those different types of things this offense. Typically, when you
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: hear people talk about this offense, whether it's Tom Brady
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: or you know, our friend Brian Hoyer or whatever, the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: onus is on the quarterback that gets you out of.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Bad plays before the ball is snap. That's the kind
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of offense that they operate.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: They operate an offense that at the line of scrimmage,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you get to the line of scrimmage the survey of
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the defense. If there's problems, you have tools in your
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: toolbolts to go out and solve it. So is that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a young quarterback just getting got by a really good defense.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Is that Josh McDaniel's not giving Drake May the proper
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: tools to solve problems like cover zero and pressure and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that question. Only they do.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: But the problem is is that this happened way too much.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Seattle kept on bringing pressure. They kept on bringing the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: same types of pressures over and over again, and they
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: kept getting home and there was no answer for Drake
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: May whatsoever. And if you look at it on the film,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: like especially that first one with Pop, Douglas is running.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: The deep post, He's open on the deep post for
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a big play.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But they didn't leave Hunter Henry into pass block, so
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: there's nobody to block Devin Witherspoon. The other solution to it,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: if you're not gonna checked in the protection to have
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry block somebody would have been just for Pop
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to run like a slant or something like that right
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: behind the blitz, you know, like he did against Houston
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: for instance, and he catches the ball and runs in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: for a touchdown.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So there just was not enough. They didn't handle the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: blitz well.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: At all pre snap post snap, there was no answers
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to it whatsoever. That, to me, before we get into
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: any of the other minutia, was the biggest issue with
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: this game plan.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I'm with you, and maybe caught him off guards healed
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: and blitz a ton this year. I don't know what
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: it was. And it's not like they Yeah, I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: they didn't really have plans for it, and Seattle kind
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: of kept hitting things that were working, hitting buttons that
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: were working, and the Patriots can come up with an
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: answer for it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: So you mentioned the other thing that you know, you
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: just mentioned was about the run game.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: And I argued a little bit with our boy Paul
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: about this yesterday because he was saying, well, they only
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: averaged three yards to carry against this defense. Like, as
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: long as you're getting positive yards in the run game, like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that's sort of what you have to do. So a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: lot of these numbers are, I'll admit, are a little
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: bit inflated by the fourth quarter because in the fourth
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: quarter the right it's a blowout. But in this game,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Seattle played fifty three percent of the game in dime defense,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: fifty three percent of the game in six defensive backs
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: dime you know, six TV's on the field. They also
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: played the game sixty two percent of the time, this
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: is just what they do. But they play the game
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: sixty two percent of the time in split safety defense
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: as well, so they're playing with five or six defensive
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: backs on the field, they're playing with two high safeties.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And the Patriots only ran the ball thirteen times. Thirteen times, Yeah,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: despite the fact that Seattle was basically sitting there begging
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: them to try to run the football. Not to mention,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: although some of that stats is inflated by the fourth quarter,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: this game really wasn't out of hand until the fourth quarter.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And I wonder if they, again I kind of said
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: this earlier, did they just come in saying like, we
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: can't test this run defense. And I get why they
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: were aware of it, but I feel like at a
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: certain point you have to alternate. You have to not altered,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: you have to go off that and say, all right,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: we are moving the ball a little bit on the ground.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: We got to mix that in more. Maybe they didn't
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: come in with the most detailed run plan, but I
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: do think that there was a moment to pivot to it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you mentioned it earlier.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You have to have balance against the team like Seattle
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: if you are only dropping back to pass. And they
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: only called like seven play action plays in this game too,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: because they weren't running the ball, so like, you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna start spamming play action when you're not
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: even trying to run the ball at all. So they
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: all they were just dropped back to pass, drop back
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: pass drop, back pass drop that pass. When you do
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that against a great pass defense and in a great
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a great pressure defense up front, this is what you're
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: gonna get. You're gonna get a forty five percent pressure
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: eight in your quarterback running for his life the entire game.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: They kind of reaped what they sowed there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And the last point that I'll make in that vein,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: they played eighty percent of this game with three wide
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: receivers on the field, eighty eleven personnel. They only called
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: six offensive line one time, and it was their best
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: play of the game probably, and they never went back
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: to it one time. They called six offensive line, so
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they stayed in their own light personnel, they didn't run
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the ball, and Seattle put their five and six defensive
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: back packages on the field. They started dialing up blitzes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they started dialing up pressure. What I'm getting at with
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: all these things. Oh and they were playing two high safeties.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Let's not forget that part. What I'm trying to get
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to with all of this is that they just let
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Seattle play their game like this is exactly how Seattle
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: wants to play defense. This is their type of defense,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: this is their type of game, and they just played
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: right into their hands with it all of the different
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: game plan elements that they use. They did not run
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of twenty one personnel in this game. They
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: didn't run a lot of six TOZ line in this game.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: They didn't run any empty in this game, despite the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: fact that Seattle was bringing pressure from everywhere. If you
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: spread the field out and empty, then Drake may can
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: see the pressure coming and he's got five ye to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: try to get the ball out.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Of his hands.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: They didn't do any of the things that you know
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you have to do against the defense like this, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they basically just lived in long down and distance on
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: third down and just let Seattle do what they do
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and guess what, they couldn't move the ball. They had
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: what eighty yards in the first three quarters of the game.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So I was just really stunned up that they just
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: they basically said, like, we think that we can actually
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: beat you at your own game, and I just don't
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: think that they had the horses to try to take
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that approach to the game.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if they were trying to do
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: things that would catch Seattle off guard or they were
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: afraid of getting too much right at Seattle's strength. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: like they psyched themselves out a little too much, I
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: think with what that defense was, and they didn't just
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: lean on what they do well. And I think if
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: they'd done that a little more, I don't know that
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: changes the result, but they would have had a little
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: more success on play to play basis. Just we've talked
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: about this. You can't because you're facing great team doesn't
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: mean you can reinvent yourself. You have your strength and
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you have your tendencies for a reason. You don't want
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: to be overly predictable. But I do think that you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: you still have to do what you do well, even
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: if you're worry about the opponent taking it away yourself
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: to try it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they played right into Seattle's hands. I actually
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: really thought that even though they hadn't hit any real
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: explosive runs. I think Henderson had the long at like
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: nine yards on that little toss play. Even though they
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: hadn't hit any explosive runs, I did think they were
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: like kind of chipping away at it in the run
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: game where it was like three yards, five yards, six yards,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: four yards, and it was you know, you're not gonna
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: inflate your yards per carry number when you're only rushing
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: for you know, three four yards at a time. But
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: what you are doing is first and ten becomes second
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and seven, second and seven becomes third and two, third
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and two becomes first down, which is what was what happened.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: On the opening drive. They had a six yard run
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: by Remondre Stevenson on first down. They had a two
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: yard run by Ramondre Stevenson on second down, and then
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: a little check down in the flat tur Remandre Stevenson
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: for a first down.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And they were ahead of schedule.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: They were staying ahead of the chains by passing on
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: first down, by drop back passing. They just got themselves
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: into all these advantageous situations for Seattle to start dialing
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: up pressure, and that's.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly what the Seahawks did. So I was really disappointed
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Glad I got that out of my off my chest,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about that for two straight days.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I just that was beyond frustrating. I do want to
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: talk about some of the things that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Went well in this game that weren't a lot, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: there was a couple of players I think deserves some flowers,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: deserved some love from this game.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So let's get to the good and the bad and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the stuff that gets to beat.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And I will start with the two goods that I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: have on my list, and that is Christian Goanzalez and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Craig Woodson. Yes, who both were fantastic in this game.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And I would say basically the reason why this game
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: was close for a time being, you know, and they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: were within shouting distance going into the second half because
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of those two players. Craig Woodson's ascension is really cool
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to see. He had six run stuffs in this game,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: had a couple of passes, defense, had a hurry blitzing,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you know, blitz hurry as well. He was all over
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the field. He was flying all over the field. The
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: run game stuff was phenomenal. I mean that tackle on
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Rashija heat on that end around was just next level legit.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: They got a player here, They got a legit player here.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I was dead wrong about this. I think a lot
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of the draft pundits were pretty low on Craig Woodson too,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and they were dead wrong about it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Myself included.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: They have a I think they did safe to say
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that Craig Woodson is at least a starting caliber safety
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: for them moving forward. Yes, and maybe even better like
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: maybe he's an impact safety for them next year.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if this is where he's starting, we'll
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: see what the year two leap looks like. But he
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: was their best rookie this year, and he played a
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: high level and kept that going in the Super Bowl,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and again was tough matchup for him personally, not just
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the entire team. So encourage what I saw from him,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: and encouraged by what I saw from Christian ZoZ Pay
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the guy that's simple, yep.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I mean the some of the fills that Craig Woodson had,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know, running the alley like they were playing those
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: split safety quarters looks against two by two formations, a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: lot of palms or quarters coverage, and they would hand
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it off and Kenneth Walker would try to bounce and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Craig Woodson was like right there, you know, waiting for him.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And that's hard to do to come from like eight
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: nine ten yards off the ball and fill with that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: kind of aggressiveness and then get a really good running
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: back on the ground like Kenneth Walker. That's impressive. I mean,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it was a really good game from Woodson. Gonzales excellent,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: just absolutely excellent, elite Elite three, just high level pass breakups.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I posted the one last night on Shaheed the deep post.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I can't really undersell how hard of a play that is.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: You know, he's bailing in cover three. They kind of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: rotate the safeties a little bit, so the post is
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: late to the post because of their trying to disguise it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And they have one of the fastest receivers in the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: league taking off on you on a deep post when
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you're out leverage, and he just catches up to the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: play and makes the play. Now, I had some people
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: hurting me that, like Sam Donald could have made a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: better throw. Sam Donald threw the ball fifty five yards
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: in the air, Like, I don't know, I don't know
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: how much further on any.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Play the quarterback can theory make a better throw. That
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: was a pretty good throw by Sam Donald.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he comes off the little gun action play action fake,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know, belly in the ball and the belly of
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the running back takes one hitch and hums it down
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the field right, and Gonzales just caught up to the ball,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't late, it wasn't underthrown. Like I'm sorry,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot, Like how much further do you
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: wanted to throw it. I don't really understand how much
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: further you want him to throw it. So Christian Gonzales,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: pay him. You know, he was superb. He was fantastic
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: in this game. And I would expect this offseason one
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: of the top priorities is going to be trying to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: negotiate that contract because he deserves it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And I also would just say.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You know, because I know we talked about on this
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: show obviously a couple of weeks ago, maybe a couple
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of months ago, about this and about if Christian Gonzales
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: was going to get re signed by the team, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I said it was no guarantee.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: There was a.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: There was a turn with Mike Rabel. He mentioned it
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the Baltimore game was kind of a turning point for him.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: If you listen to the way Mike Rabel answered questions
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: about Christian goan Zalez before the Baltimore game, and then
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: listened to the way he answered questions about christiangan Zalees
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the last few weeks, it's a different answer.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: He straight up said he saw a different guy. Yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: towards the end of the regular.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any doubt anymore. Christian Gonzalez
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: sold Mike rabel on Christian Zalez. Yeah, in these playoffs
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and with his effort and all that good stuff, that's
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: all I got.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: That's that's all I got.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of good Bryce Berenger had a
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: nice bounce back game for digging deep, but he wasn't
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: even the best punter on the field, not even close.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: The other punter maybe kind of should have won MVP.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So is it weird that we've covered two Super Bowls?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: In Bowlsuper covered, there's a strong case that the punter
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: should have of the winning team should have been MVP. Yes,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: although fifty three probably should have been Slater more so
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: than Ryan Allen. But I just we've covered some high
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: level of hunting in the Super Bowl eleven we have.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. So my next category is a new category.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I got creative because.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, the Goods was tough. I'm not gonna lie.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: This is the Goods butt and the butt is they
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: were good, but they probably still had some plays they'd
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: want back.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: So I have a handful of guys, mostly defense. As
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you can imagine, I.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Put first the defense as a whole. The defense as
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a whole, I think played a Super Bowl caliber game.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: You know, they held Seattle to thirty two point four
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: percent play success rate. That was the lowest play success
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: rate Seattle had in a game this season. One for
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: four in the red zone really kept them in this game,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: making them kickfield goals and not touchdowns. Four for sixteen
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: on third down. It was a good defensive performance. It
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't great, but it was good. And I think the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: main reason why it wasn't great was because they didn't
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: turn him over. That that was a big part of it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: The run defense was not good enough. They needed to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: stop Kenneth Walker and they didn't.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: He won the MVP of the game.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: And I would also say there was just a handful
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of plays that we can get to here as we
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: start to get to some of the guys I highlighted
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that they had opportunities to make like big impact splash
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: plays and they left him on the field. And I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: think the main guy that was the culprit of that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: was Milton Williams, who was really disruptive in this game.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I had him with six pressures, but he missed two sacks.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Just ran right by Sam Barnold and missed two sacks
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: on him that were big plays in the game.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: You know, one came on third down.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Those are the types of plays that if he gets
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: him on the ground, if he strips, sacks him, if
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: he forces him into a turnover like anything like that,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: those are game altering type plays. So Millon Williams was
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: beating his block like he was winning up front, like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: we've seen him win all year. He just didn't make
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that splash play that really tilted the game or flipped
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the game, like we saw against Denver when they get
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the fumble on Jared Sidham, or we saw the pick
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: six against Houston, like that type of play. The pay
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the Patriots defense just couldn't find that play in this game,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and they needed it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: They needed one of those types of plays.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Verbel talked about that that the defense made the
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: plays that were there to make. They didn't really create anything,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: whether it be missing sacks like you said, Stam Darnold,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: stepping away from would be tacklers, not being able to
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: find that turnover Marcus Jones comes close early. That one's
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: gonna gonna hurt for a little bit. Right, What if
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones complete said interception? How different does that game go?
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: So they played well, but they needed to play better
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: than well to win the game. It's not it's an
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: unfair ask, but sometimes that's just what happens.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's I don't think it's all that unfair,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Like this was that kind of game. Seattle's
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: defense was dominating like we expect did. The Patriots defense
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: needed to dominate like that. We were hoping that they would.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Like no one came into this game thinking that the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Patriots offense was going to hang thirty on Seattle's defense,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Like you knew it was gonna be this kind of game.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And they needed some short fields, they needed some turnover production,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they needed some negative plays, and they just didn't get it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: They just didn't get They only sacked them one time.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You know, they had probably four or five opportunities to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: sack them. They only sacked them once. So those are
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: big plays in the game.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Milon Williams missed a couple of them.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hawkins missed one that almost ended it in a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: JSN touchdown on a broken play that Sam Darnold just
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: overthrew him on Calevon Chase and I had him one
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: for one miss sacked, you know, down in the backfield.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: So there was just a couple of missed opportunities there
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: from the defense. The other guy that I thought was
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: really really good in this game, you know, Gonzales Woodson,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams, Anthony Jennings, I thought was pretty good in
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: this game as well. Yeah, but even still, you know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: he gave up his edge a couple of times to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. It runs a ten and nine that were
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: still there. But I thought that he was pretty impactful.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: He had four stuffs in this game, had a quarterback
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: hit in the past rush. I'm interested to see what
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: his future is with this team because we're gonna talk
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a lot this offseason about and rushers. Yeah, but he's
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: been a pretty solid player for them in the playoffs.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think his role can still exist
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: even if they add or you know, we'll talk about
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Harrold Landry's future too, and does he step in it
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: in a kind of that early down roll and they
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: add somebody to rush opposite Chase On assuming they re
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: sign him. Yeah, I thought he was good in the game. Again,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: credit to him. I think he's a programmed player for
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Mike Vrable at this point, a guy that you point
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: to and say this is you want to do it,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: This is how you do it correctly. A guy that was,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: you know, basically off the team midway through training camp
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: that played his way into a role. Yeah, but yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: with him.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of quick other ones.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much more time on
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: this because I know we have a lot to talk
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: about on the on the bads and the stuff that
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: get to be Carlton Davis I thought was solid in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: this game. Got a couple of tough matchups against Shaheed,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: who's not the type of receiver that you really want
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Carlton Davis against because of the speed mismatch, and I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: thought he held up pretty well offensively.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I thought the Mario Douglas was open the entire game
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and they just couldn't really get to find a way
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to get him the football. A big Tomorrio Douglas game.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: My guess is is they felt like, because of the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: way Seattle plays so many quarters coverages, that they were
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: going to get the slot on a safety a lot
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of the time, and they were trying to use Damario
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Douglas's speed. I had him open like four or five
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: times in this game, and they just couldn't find He
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: couldn't find the ball.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: It was the deep post on the third down that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I talked about earlier, the crossing route that Drake made
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: his flies out and misses the throw.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Yea.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: You know there was opportunities like that on this film
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: for Tomorrio Douglas that you make a few of those
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: big plays. You know, you never know, you know, a
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: game like that, you just never know. And I put
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Matt Collins on here because he made the two only good.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Catches in the entire game. That's fair. Yeah, So that's
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: all I got for that. The Bads.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: This was hard to kind of separate the bads from
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the stuff that gets you beat. All of this could
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: probably go into the stuff that gets you beat. Honestly.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I put the run defense in the bads though, because
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I felt like even though they gave up the five
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: explosive runs that were in the stuff that gets you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: beat kind of category.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they also stuffed a lot of runs. Yeah it
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: was game too.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I had a tough time saying that they
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: lost the game because they gave up you know, what
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: was it one hundred and something yards to Kenneth Walker
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: won thirty five.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I think it was.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: But the big thing that hurt them in this game
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: was the edges.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: You know, they gave up one hundred and fourteen yards
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: on twenty one carries outside the tackles. Inside the tackles
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: they were pretty good. It was only three and a
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: half yards of carry when he ran it inside, but
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: when he ran it outside, there was too many lost
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: edges and you know, letting him win the foot race
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: around the corner. He bounced a couple of runs out
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the backside that were you know, hurt them. Just not
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the run defense that we're used to seeing from the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Patriots this postseason, really in any game with Milton Williams,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: their run defense has been excellent, and it wasn't. And
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: this was kind of one of the keys to the game.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: You knew you couldn't let their run game and their
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: play action passing game beat you. And that's exactly what
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: beat you, you know, on the Patriots defensive side.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the miss tackles too, is like, remember they
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: were one of the worst tackling teams in the NFL
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: for the first two weeks. Yeah, we're one of the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: best the rest of the way. And then it came
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: back and I putting them in the bad, not this.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I would put the run defense itself and the bad
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: the missing tackles and the stuff that gets you beat,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: because if they had made some of those tackles they
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: had an opportunity to. They were fine. Again, it wasn't great.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: It wasn't what it had been, but they were fine.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Where the run game really took over for Seattle was
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker, And we talked about this going into the
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: game being a potential issue. Kenneth Walker runs a lot
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: bigger than he is. That's where the run game went
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: from bad to stuff that gets you beat was the mistackle.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: So outside of that, I think they were okay. It
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: was it wasn't great.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: They made some plays. Walker made some plays.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: You made where where it really became like the point
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: of no return was the miss tackles, I guess is
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: my point.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you mentioned the miss tackles. That was the
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: next on my list.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: You had that in the bad, I do have it
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: in the ball. I have that in stuff that gets
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: you beat. Oh, you got to move that down.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I just rote poor fundamentals on defense because I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it's more than just you know say that on both sides.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: The miss tackles is a big part of it. Yeah,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: PFF had them with eighteen miss tackles in this game.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Wow, eighteen. Next Gen had thirteen.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Has probably closed it. Those are both still high, way
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: too high, and I think that should be a single
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: digit number.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I think was the problem in
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: this game too, is not just the fact that they
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: miss tackles, but they gave up ninety five yards after
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: contact in this game as well. So a lot of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the time when they've had mis tackling issues, they've actually
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: done a pretty good job of swarming to the ball
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and getting the ball carrier down despite you know, a
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: lot of the mistackles are happening like near the line
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage where guys are trying to make plays on there,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: and then you know they might miss the additial tackle,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: but then they swarm them and they get the guy
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: down for like a two yard game. This was like
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: we're missing tackles and he's going up the sideline for
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: thirty yards, right, and they missed on one of his
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: big runs, Milton Williams missed the tackle. He got ten
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: more yards than Jalen Hawkins missed a tackle, he got
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: another ten yards. Like those are the types of ones
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that you just can't have. I mentioned the sacks. I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: counted four opportunities in the backfield to sack Sam Darnold
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that they whiffed on. Okay, they had one sack in
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the game. I thought they could have probably had like
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: five or six. You know, Milton Williams was close a
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: couple of times. Jalen Hawkins was close on that one
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: blitz off the edge. I mentioned the one to chase On.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I also felt like this kind of related to the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: swarming aspect of it as well, because if Milton Williams
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: gets the initial pressure that causes Darnold to hold the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: ball and move, then like somebody else should be coming
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: in as like the second layer to try to get
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: him down of Millon Williams misses. You know, That's why
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you have like clean up guys, right, Like Chason's supposed
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to be the garbage man, Like he's supposed to come
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: in and just clean up on all those pressures. And
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel like they had that kind of
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: layer to their pass. Rushing to their defense is in
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: this game. So I'm willing to move that to the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: stuff that gets you beat.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: It wasn't good.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I have it like that.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Tackles is a alarming number. It's too many, and Kenneth
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Walker forced eight of them all by himself, So it
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: just it was a lotus.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker's only like five pounds.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's like he's building.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: No, it's crazy. I would have guess he's like six
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: foot six.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: He he's a tremendous player. He let's just you know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: we're we're kind of knocking the Patriots for the way
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: they played. I'm not saying they don't deserve it, but
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: let's also give some credit where credit due. Kenneth Walker's
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: been one of the more underrated running backs in the
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: league life last few years. Yeah, and he showed up
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: in the biggest game of the year and balled out,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: So he deserves some credit. I just don't want to
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: lose sight of that. I've always been a fan of his.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: He's a great player, you know.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Good for him for for rising to the moment.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the real bad, the stuff
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: to get to beat.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: A couple of things that I wrote down in here,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I already kind of broke down, you know, the pressure
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: plan v Able. We talked about the two point conversion
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. Let's talk about the offensive line.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I'm of the thinking that I more look at offensive
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: line play when it comes to that in terms of
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: four man pass rush, like when you have five against four,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: you need to be able to block that when they
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: start bringing blitzes and stuff like that. There's more that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: goes into that than just offensive line. That then it becomes,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you know, all the different stuff we talked about at
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the top of the show. You know what's your answer?
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: What's are you checking the protection? Are you hot routing,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: are you sight adjusting a route? How are you beating
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: a blitz? What's your problem?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Solving?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Method is much bigger than just the offensive line blocking
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the guys in front of them when it comes to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: pressure and it comes to blitzes. When it comes to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the four man rushes, they still allowed over a forty
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: percent pressure rate on four man rushes and Drake May
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: was sacked five times. Five of his six sacks came
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: on four man rushes. Now, some of that's him holding
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the ball, some of that's the coverage marrying to the pressure.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But we all know the numbers that have been floated
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: around with Will Campbell. The fourteen numbers outrageous. It wasn't fourteen.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I had it at eight. PFF had it at eight.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I trust eight. Now eight's still too many. It's too many.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: But I would just add on top of it, I'm
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: not trying to sugarcoat it for Will Campbell. We're going
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: to break him down in a second. But on top
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of the fact that, I felt like everybody had a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: turn in terms of giving up pressure in this game.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was just Will Campbell. I think
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: all five guys had problems in this game and had
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: a tough outing, even Morgan Moses. So in Mike on Winnu,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: who I think I've both been really solid all year long,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: gave up some key pressures in this game. You know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the initial pressure that causes the stripsack in the fourth
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: quarter is Mike onwen who getting beat to his outside edge,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: causing Drake made a step up in the pocket. So
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it was all across the board. They did not block
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: well across the board in this game. I know we
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: have a lot of calls and probably emails. We have emails,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: We have probably calls about the tells and all.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: That kind of stuff.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I just think they got whooped, okay, But I don't
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: think that it was like some magical Jared Wilson's eyes
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: were looking over here instead of over there, or this
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: stance was this and that stance.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it was that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I think they just got beat by the Seattle pass
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: rushers all across the board. Every single offensive vineman could
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: have been better in this game. Not and Will Campbell
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: was the worst, but all of them struggled.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this was the worst game the year
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: for Morgan Moses, Jared Wilson had a lot of trouble. Yeah,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: it was not a good game and it compounded, right.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I think Jared Wilson of struggles in some ways hurt
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell. Like the first sack of the game, Well,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Campbell gets beat, but it's one of those plays where
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: you use the term die slowly a lot. Yeah, where
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: he's probably gonna give Drake May at least time to
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: run out of the pocket and scramble, but that Jared
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Wilson tries to clean the guy out and ends up
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: just pushing him past Campbell right to May.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: On the Derek hallsack.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that first one yeaheah, so the issues compounded. It
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: was nobody played well individually, and then that made everybody
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: look worse.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So as for Campbell specifically, you got you gotta mention
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: the knee to be fair, Like, to be fair to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the guy, you got to mention that he had a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: pretty significant MCL spray And it sounds like a tear,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: he said yesterday of the ligament in his knee.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe that was a factor.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: It probably was the other thing that I was seeing
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: with him is that he tends to set vertically. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I know that this phrasing has gone around a lot.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure people have read it on Twitter and stuff
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: like that. So basically, a vertical set is like he's
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: literally setting backwards, like he's trying to jump out of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: his stance and go straight backwards. And a lot of
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: times they player's vertical set to buy themselves time to
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: get to their set points because it creates space between
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: them and the guy that's rushing on them. And I
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: think the biggest issue that I have with it, and look,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: if he's most comfortable with vertical vertical sets, like, I'm
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and tell him to change up
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: his entire approach. I think that that's probably a mistake.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: But when you vertical set, what you're doing is you're
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you're creating space between you and the pass rusher, which
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: is giving the pass rusher now like a runway to
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: run at you and convert speed to power. I just
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: don't understand with his body type, why that's the type
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of set that he would use, because what's happening is
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: is that he's vertically setting into the backfield, which is
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: already putting him further into the quarterback into the pocket
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: right than you naturally would be on an angled set anyways.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: And then on top of that, he doesn't have the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: reach advantage. So what he's happening is he's now he's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: catching guys like he's literally catching them, but when he
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: catches them, he's not catching them with his feet in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the ground, so his feet or go are still moving.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have the.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Length to reach out and touch the guy first and
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: establish that first contact. So now he's on his heels
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and now he's back into the quarterback's lap. So to me, it's,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you know, one like, does he need to be more
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: aggressive with the pass sets and be set more angrarly
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like at a forty five degree angle so that he
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: can go out and cut off the angle and go
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: get the guy instead of having the guy come to him.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Right and two, you know, I think a lot of
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: what the Ligne guys are saying is like his hands
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: are just late, Like his strike timing is just late, not.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Even really using his inside hand.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's kind of just letting them into his
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: chest and letting him them into his frame.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: And that's a lot that's gonna let him. You know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: he's going to be vulnerable at to power when he
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: does that. So, you know, is it fixable.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I think it is fixable, But let's not lose sight
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of the fact that this is a length issue. But
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: it's about the best way to kind of circumvent that issue,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Like how do you best mask that issue? And every player,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you know has deficiencies, you know, every player has you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: some receivers are faster than others, some receivers are quicker
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: than others. Some receivers catch the ball well, some of
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: the receivers catch the ball you know in traffic.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Well, like there's everybody has trains.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And weaknesses, Right, it's just about how do you at
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: this level, how do you manage all those strengths and weaknesses.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And right now, I feel like his technique is letting
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: him down. Like he's he's trying to use a technique
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that I typically see with like the big dudes, like
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a Trent Brown, like is like a guy that vertical
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: sets a lot, because he's just gonna say, I'm gonna
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: sit back, I'm gonna brace for contact, I'm gonna put
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: my feet in the ground, and when you hit me,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna be running.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Into a wall.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Right, And the problem with Will Campbell is that his
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: feet aer moving on top of the fact that he's
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: already vertically setting, and so now when he gets run into,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: he's just going backwards. And you just can't have that combination.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: So what's the answer, what's like his solution? I think
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: that's why a lot of these O line experts, you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Mitchell Schwartz, Tron Armstead, Duke manniwet.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Is line experts, well except for the awesome guys who
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: played the position.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys are coming out and saying this because
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: there are ways technically.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: To work around his body type, right, he's just.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Not doing them.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: There's also, I mean, you know, it'll help. It's gonna
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: be his first off season NFL program, putting on muscle,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: putting on size.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his anchor, he needs to work on his anchor.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: He needs to get some more sand in his pants,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like just getting healthier. And I think a bit a
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: big problem with the anchor though, is like his feet
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: aren't in the ground, so like when you vertically said
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you want to stop your feet and sink your feet
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: into the ground, And.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Now he keeps getting hit in the back pedal, right
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: and that way.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: There you're bracing for the contact. It's I think that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: it's fixable. I really do.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: And I think that he's played the position well enough
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to give him at least another year to try to
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: fix it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: At left tackle, Yeah, I don't.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not subscribing to moving him, and I don't think
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are either.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mike Vrabel made that very clear yesterday.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the right decision. You know, because
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: we talked about this all off season last year. Where
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: else are you going to find a starting caliber left tackle,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Like unless you just assume that you're gonna luck into
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Jordan Mylotta in the seventh round and you're gonna turn
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: him into a starting caliber left tackle.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: We've seen that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: We've been down this road before with the Patriots. Like
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: it's not they don't become available in free agency. They
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: very seldom get traded. They get drafted. The ones that
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: are good enough get drafted very very high in the draft.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: So when you're picking thirty first overall and the veteran
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: market's really not a great avenue to define left tackles, like,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: where's it coming from if you start moving him around?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: So the one suggesting that I would make though, is
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and I don't think that he's getting talked about enough
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: because Will Campbell is getting all the heat.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I think Jared Wilson is the one that needs to move.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, Like I think Jared Wilson if they really like
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: him and they feel like he's a starting caliber player,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: then I think Jared Wilson needs to move to center.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And then you need to sign a I would love
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: for them, and they missed the boat on Joe Toney
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: last year and that was the move and whatever I digress,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I would love for them to sign a veteran left
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: guard that could really make Will Campbell's job easier, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that can help him. That is maybe a little bit
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: wider bodied, you know, takes up a little bit more space,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: kind of covers up for some of the weaknesses in
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell's game by having a guy next to him
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: that is been there, that's done it and plays at
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: a high level.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I think that that could go a long way.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: When you put two rookies next to each other on
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the line, they're just you're just playing target practice at
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that point, especially against these good defenses. You know, defense
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: are gonna blitz over them. They're just gonna put their
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: best rushers over them, and it's gonna be a long
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: day at the office. At least if you space those
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: guys out a little bit on the line, they they
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: can't They're isolated and you can't just go right at them.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: So if you have a Winnu at right guard, you
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: have Wilson at center, and you sign a left guard
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: that can play, you know, a veteran left guard that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: can play well, now you have two veterans on either
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: side of Campbell and Wilson right and you have and
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: you can sort of mitigate that damage a little bit.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: So I think that if we're talking about moving guys,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the piece to move is Jared Wilson in terms of
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: where he's playing on the line. If we're talking about
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell's future, I think the move is to coach
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: him up and get his get him to be better
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: with his technique, and have him use techniques that are
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: better for his body type as well.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: So that's the offensive line. Now we got to talk
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: about the quarterback.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I think the combination of things with Drake May in
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: this game, just right off the bat, from an accuracy standpoint,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I had him with five just blatant misthrows, you know,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: poor accuracy.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Just can't have him type throws.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say, and I know
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: that clip with Julian Love is going around of him
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: saying that he's hesitant. I definitely think that his lack
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: of trust stemmed from some of the struggles that he's
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: had in these playoffs.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I think he lost his confidence.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he had a rational confidence before he
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: would test windows down the field, he would let it lose,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: he'd rip it into tight zone windows across the middle
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of the field, just like he did to Matt Collins
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: on the twenty four yarder. He had seen those types
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: of throws on Drake May's film all season long, and
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: in this game, there are just so many instances where
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, why isn't he you know, Diggs is
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: winning on a little fade route, Like why is he
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: not giving him a chance?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: You know, throwing the ball.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: You guys, you know are are you know, split in
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the seams and he's just not ripping the ball between
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the safeties. You know, things like that that we're just
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: so used to seeing Drake May do in the regular season.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I saw a player that lost his confidence. I saw
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: a player that was probably trying to be too careful
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: with the football, you know, in terms of not turning
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: the ball over and being a little bit too conservative
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: with his decision making. I did see a guy that
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: was a little stuck on reeds at times as well. Now,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: some of that was the way that the players were
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: designed and the way that they were running the offense.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: The last thing that I think we have to discuss
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: with Drake May just a little bit, is all this
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: protection stuff that we're taping about pre snap. At least
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: some of that falls on the quarterback. Now, he's a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: young kid. I get that, he's a second year quarterback.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: He's twenty three years old. It's a lot to ask
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: him to get to the line of scrimmage, see a
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: blitz coming, pre snap, check a protection, change a route,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: get them into the right play, and then run the
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: play successfully.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Like that's an undertaking. It's a big thing. Yeah, that's
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: but that's professional football. Like that's quarterback again.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: And maybe he's not going to be Tom Brady where
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: he's going to be able to direct traffic, you know,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: and be able to fix all these different things and
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: all these different problems. But he has to get them
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: into the right play. And I remember, you know, I
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: love that quote from Brady. I didn't want to snap
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: the ball into a bad defense, right, Like how if
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the defense is showing me something and I know this
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: play is going isn't going to work against this defense?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Like how can we get out of that play? And
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: how can we get out of that into a better
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: play against that defense? Like that's the type of approach
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: that Josh McDaniels drills it to his quarterbacks, Like that's
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: what they this offense is supposed to allow the quarterback
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: to do. That's why the quarterback has all the controls
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. So the one sort of
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: out that I will give Josh McDaniels, you had a
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: second year quarterback whose first year in the system, and
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: you had two rookie starters on the offensive line.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I think what ended up happening a lot is that
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: they got really predictable production wise. They probably did not
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: have the full library of protections that Josh McDaniels is
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: used to having, So they had maybe a couple of
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: different protections that they could, you know, get in and
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: out of, but for the most part, it was kind
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: of half slide man to man the backside, and that
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: was kind of what they were doing. So when they
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: were going three by one, you know, three receivers to
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the one side of the formation, Seattle was just blitzing
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: off the backside and they were bringing heat off the backside,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: which was in you know, taking advantage of the man's
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: side of the protection. Right, So like the two guys
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: on that side of the center are locked in man
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: to man on the two players, so if you add
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: a third player in there, there's just nobody to block them.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: And I think that they got kind of what's the
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: word like simple with their protections. They got a little
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: bit watered down. And I would also say the same
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: thing with the route concepts. You know, if I saw
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: them run dagger one more time in this game, it
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: was they ran dagger probably ten times in this game.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that comes back to,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you know, what can we execute, Like what can we
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: go out there and realistically block and execute? And they
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: just only had so many tools in the tool belt,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and against the great defense like Seattle, you need changeups,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: like you need more than just a couple of things.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's it's a good way to lay
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: it out. You covered a lot of it there.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I think I did enough. I think
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I vented enough about this this one. I have to
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: admit it's not a game, and I don't know how
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you feel about it. It's not a game that stings me,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: like like they lost the Super Bowl like seventeen or
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven or something like those ones hurt
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: like that, that's stuff. This one is bothering me because
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I think there was so many things that they could
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: have done to counter what Seattle was doing, and they
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: just didn't do any of them. And it was kind
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: of like I felt like it almost was like they
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: woke up from a dream in the middle of the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: game and were like, oh crap, the super Bowl started,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: you know, and like they didn't have they just had
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: so many different like answers or so many different checks
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: or so many different solutions to the problems that Seattle
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: was presenting to them, and they just kind of drop
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the ball all of it. And so I keep on
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: going back through this game being like if they had
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: just done this, if they had just done that, not
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: like in a way of like, man, I'm so like
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: gutted that they lost. It was in a way of
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: like they could have played so much better than that,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Like they could have played so much better than that,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: and they just didn't. So I want to I'm sure
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: we'll get more questions about it, but like I never
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: want to talk about this game again, Like I just don't.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: A couple of shows on it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: You can lead it out other than like when they
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: win the next one, like, oh, they needed that game
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: to learn Maybe this is like.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Their twenty twenty two Golden State series. Yeah, that's a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Celtics reference for those people that don't know. All right,
• 1:00:22
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  Speaker 1: is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
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  Speaker 9: You know the super Bowl? Obviously we're all disappointed with it.
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  Speaker 9: But the way I see it is this is the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 9: best team the Patriots had since twenty eighteen. But the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: future is way brighter. We're going to get better and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: even like you said, the schedule stuff or you might
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: not notice it in terms of wins next season, I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: have faith that the Patriots will be back and are
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 9: definitely on the right trend. The question I have though,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: is for the off season players to bring back. There's
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: two free agents that I think should really be resigned,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 9: ke Tason and Caius Toga, and I also agree that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 9: Christian Gonzales should be extended. If there's anyone else, let
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: me know and I'll leave you that go past.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Sean. Yeah, there, So the Patrios
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: only have six unrestricted free agents.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Here we all get the list for you. It is Hooper,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Austin Hooper, Darian Loath, Theer Munford, Kiris Tong and Kleon,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: Chase On and Jalen Hawkins. Yeah, so here we go
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: off season.
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  Speaker 2: Now restricted free agent Jack Gibbons.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope he should be back, so put.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: That in there. But overall not a long list.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm very interested to see what happens with Kylevon
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Chase one. He's at the point of his career now
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: where he's going to be looking to cash in. This
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: is not going to be another one year prove it deal,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: especially after the season that he had. He's probably gonna
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: get I don't know, you know, I was interested. I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: was actually putting the list together.
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  Speaker 2: Today.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna just write a quick thing about they
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: only have six of them, so it's pretty easy to
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: write about this free agency list here. With Chase On,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: you know, spot Track only has his estimated value around
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: nine or ten million a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be more than that too.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Could be how much more, I don't know, but I
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: think that you're looking probably at like three for forty five,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: you know, three years for forty five totals fifteen a year.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I think that that's probably the ceiling for him and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: probably what he's going to be shooting for. How much
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: is that real money? How much is that you know,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: guaranteed or whatever remains to be seen, but h three
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: years fifteen million per forty five million, you know, total
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: value with all the stuff baked in, Like, is that
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: too rich for your blood?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: For Chase On?
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  Speaker 3: No, because they need two guys, so you know, it's
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: just you're gonna have to add two edge rushers. Anyway,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: you can get it done before he hits the open market,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: and you can relatively keep that total in check. It's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: probably beneficial. I don't think this year is total fluke,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: and part of it is Milton Williams definitely helped. But
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be back next to Milton Williams long as
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: he's here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree.
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  Speaker 1: I would be cautious, and I think the was it
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the twenty two off season where they've been moved all
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: the parts on the offensive line and blew the whole
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: thing up. I would be cautious of something like that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: happening where now you go into next season or into
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: the off season, you lose Calebon Chason in free agency,
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  Speaker 1: and now you need two starting edge rushers and not
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: just one right where you should be adding to this
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: team and you should be stacking talent on the roster,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: and now you're just you know, if you use the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: analogy of like a canoe, you have holes and now
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: you just created another hole in the canoe, and now
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: you're taking on water.
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  Speaker 2: Right, That's what they did to the offensive line in.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two when they traded Jack Mason, and they
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: let Joe Toney walk, and they let Ted Carris walk
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: and they kind of never recovered from that. So I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: would just like to see them try to lock up
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Chase On if they can. I just don't know if
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: they're going to be able to. I think that money
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: might get a lot more than what spot track is saying.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll see. Gets get back to it here. Patty
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: is an aguam, What is upad Hey, good afternoon, Jens,
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon.
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  Speaker 10: So I got a few things to discuss, and I'll
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  Speaker 10: try and make him quick. The first thing I would say,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 10: we're disregarding the game. I think obviously the offensive line
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 10: was an issue, but I kind of feel like he
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 10: brings me back to like Dick Rayvines his nose on
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 10: Tom Brady after his rookie year, where he's like everything
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 10: he has to do, he just has to do faster
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: and ev And I know you said, like you don't
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: want to see him become a checkdown Charlie, but he
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 10: just has to make be able to see the defense
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  Speaker 10: make quicker decisions and when he needs to just get
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: rid of the ball faster. That's obvious. And I do
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 10: believe you said something to that effect yesterday. Priority number
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: one in the off season should be resigning Christian Gonzales,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 10: followed by trying to resign Taga and Chase On Then
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: I would I would do my best to make moves
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  Speaker 10: for Max Crossey. And I know you said you don't
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  Speaker 10: think there's going to be like a lot of wholesale
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: changes to the roster, but there are there are needs.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 10: I mean, they are going to need to eventually find
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: a replacement for Morgan Moses Hunter. Henry's our only tight
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 10: end on the roster that's rostered going into twenty twenty six,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 10: and he's going to be what thirty one years old.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: We're going to need a left guard there's just there's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 10: positions to fill. It's not a lot, it's not as
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 10: daunting as it was last year. But after what they
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 10: did this passed off season, I have the utmost faith
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  Speaker 10: in Brabel and the front off the staff going forwards.
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  Speaker 10: And we got the biggest puzzle piece, we got the quarterback.
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  Speaker 10: So you know, I'm optimistic.
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  Speaker 5: I was.
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  Speaker 10: I was pissed off Sunday night, but I got I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 10: quickly got over it because we just I felt like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 10: we just got out classed and that's all I got today.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, thanks, thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one's saying there isn't needs, But now
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: they're just like every other team where they just have needs.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Before they needed a whole new team like that. That
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that's a different animal. This is now like they just
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: have holes to fill like any other normal, you know,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: good team would have. You know, they need We're talking
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: about them needing a left guard. We're talking about them needing,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: you know, a younger, you know, more developmental type of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: tight end.
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  Speaker 2: Potentially.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: You know, they have needs in terms of can you
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: make moves to put you over the top. A number
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: one wide receiver, a stud pass rusher on the outside,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you know, a Max Crosby and AJ Brown, like those
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: types of moves. Those are not the types of moves
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: that they were making the last two off seasons. The
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: last two off seasons, they were rebuilding the entire roster.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Now they're just trying to look at what's left and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: you know, can we fill some different things here and there?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I think we're gonna have a lot of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: conversations about wide receivers. And I don't think that adding
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: another day two wide receiver to the pool of wide
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: receivers that they currently have is the conversation that we
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: should be having. The conversation that we should be having
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: is who is the A J. Brown trade? And maybe
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: it's just a J. Brown, but like, like where what's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: the what move is that? You know it didn't work
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: out for them, but you know, Miami trading for Tyreek Hill,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: the Eagles trading for a J. Brown h you know
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: those types of moves. That's where the Patriots are now.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: They are in the window. They they their window is
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: wide open and this is the time to strike with
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Drake made cheap for the next three years. So it's
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: a much different ballgame. And that's all I'm trying to
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: get across like you're talking about left guard, tight end safety,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Like maybe it's these are not but my point is
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: these are not like premium.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: This is not even positions outside of edge rusher is
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: the one big one.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: This is not quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher. Well, they nerush,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: but they need a edge rusher. I don't know if
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: like if it is Max Crosby, then great.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: But they ed rusher need but on safety real quick
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: because we've got two calls on it. Yeah, I Jalen
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: Hawkins should be is on the list of guys they
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: should bring back. He's probably not gonna cost a ton. Yeah,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: played well last year next to Woodson. I look to
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I don't really break the bank. And look, he's twenty
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: nine and he may be looking for his last big contract,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: but he should be in the conversation the guys to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: be brought back.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I am again, Like my mindset is they need to add,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: you know, things to the house. We should not be
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: subtracting things to the house that don't need to be subtracted,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: right yea. So if you're gonna go out there and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: you're gonna say we can upgrade Jalen Hawkins and then sure,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: go out there and upgrade Jalen Hawkins, but you should
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: not be doing any worse than Jalen Hawkins, you know,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: And they don't need to go now back in the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: draft and draft somebody and like Develde, like if they're
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: two starting.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Safeties next year, Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins, and I
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: feel good about that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I mean they just made the Super Bowl at that right,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: he'sact starting safeties, all right. Next caller here is Randy
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: in Providence. What's that, Brandy?
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  Speaker 4: How's it going? Guys? I'm glad you talked on touched
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: on Hawkins because I think he's an important piece to
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: come back. I think he did a really good job
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: this year, and I think you could get him back
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: for something comparable to like what Jeremy Chin signed last
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: off season with the I think he signed with the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Raiders is two years, sixteen million, something in that neighborhood
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: and lengths maybe for Hawkins would be great. I think
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: that also. You know, you guys haven't really mentioned it
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: at all, but there's value in enjoying your job. There's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: value in the enjoying coming to work. And I think
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: the Patriots have that now in a way that they
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: didn't in the past. I think you touched on it earlier.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: Left guard is the biggest position, and I think Jared
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Wilson needs to move over to center. He was my
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: impression in this summer last year, but he really only
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: moved to guard because he had difficulty stamping the ball,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: and I think in his first off season it's a
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: great opportunity for him to work on that. When you
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: talk talked about tight ends too, I think Padre Henry
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: like he costs a lot of money for what he brings.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: He brings leadership. He does bring leadership, he brings you know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: I know he's got to throw in chemistry with Drake,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, he's producing, you know,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: forty five yards a game last year and like thirty
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: seven yards of a game over his tenure with the Patriots.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: I just don't think he should be like the first
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: receiving option in that room. I think you see a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: kid like Isaiah likely bring a local kid back home.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: He proved to be a really good receiving option for Baltimore.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: I wonder what you think about getting him in the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: draft and then, like you said, getting an experience left guard,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: and maybe targeting a left guard back up in the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: draft too, to kind of train up behind him. Maybe
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: someone like, I don't know, Jeremiah Wright out of Auburn,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: who you could get early on day three or late
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: on day two.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe thanks for the call, Randy.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they moved Jared Wilson to left
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: guard out of necessity.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I think that they saw early on that Garrett Bradbury
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: was going to be solid for them at center and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: maybe have a bounce back year. Left guard became kind
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: of the camp competition spot between Jared Wilson and Ben
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Brown and Cole Strange, and Jared Wilson was just good
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: enough as a young player as a rookie that they
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: drafted pretty high that the tie kind of went to
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: the runner and it was, you know, that was Jared Wilson,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: and he ended up starting there. I don't think that
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: they drafted him to be a left guard. I think
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: they drafted him to be a center. But then they
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: got there, and and brad Bury looked pretty good in camp,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: and and so they stuck with it, and that's how
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: we got to where we are. The tight ends in
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: free agency are appealing that's probably the one of the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: few places in free agency where there is talent in
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: this free agency.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Class is at tight end.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Yet two the caller mentioned Isaiah likely Kyle Pitts is
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: a free agent as well. Uh, the one thing that
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I have hesitation with, just slight hesitation with, is neither
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: one of those guys is a particularly good blocker.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: And so.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: How are you kind of creating mismatches in the passing
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: game if you're not running the.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Football effectively with those players on the field. So I
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: think that was a big problem that they had this
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: year and why they didn't feature as much twelve personnel
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: as I think a lot of us expected them to
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: do with Hooper and Henry is that those two guys
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: weren't blocking particularly well. So when they put twelve on
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: the field, it didn't force defenses to play nickel or
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: to get out of nickel and play base defense. It
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: kept nickel on the field, and then you don't get
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the mismatches in the passing game that you're trying to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: create by putting heavy personnel on the field. So if
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you sign a guy like Kyle Pitts or Isaiah likely
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: absolutely upgrades in terms of their receiving talent. No doubt
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: about it that those two guys are better, younger, more
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: explosive playmakers than the ones that they have. But are
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: you basically when you go twelve or when you put
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: likelier pits on the field. I think teams are going
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: to kind of treat that as eleven and they're just
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: gonna keep Nickel on the field and dare you to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: run it at them with those players as your inline
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: tight ends. I don't know if that's gonna work. I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: guess is the long way to graham this house with
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: that answer. I think that this is kind of what
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: happened with Atlanta. Is like Kyle Pitts is a freak,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Like he's a great athlete, but when they teams were
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: not overreacting to their run game because of Kyle Pitts
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: and because of some of the shortcomings that they had
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: run blocking. You know, this was a big reason why
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: and I know they didn't use it enough in the
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but this was a big reason why the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Patriots went to six Z line is because the only
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: way that they could be a really good running team
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: is by getting an extra blocker on the field that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: could actually, you know, really move weight because the tight
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: ends in the full back couldn't right. So that would
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: be my one hesitation with it. But if your argument
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: is that Drake May would love throwing to Kyle Pitts,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: I think he would.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: I think Kyle Pitts is the exact type of receiver
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Drake May would love throwing too. It's kind of just
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: like a tight end version of Mac Collins. You know,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: there's size, there's a catch radius, there's an explosiveness.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 10: You know that.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: All that stuff is great. So I'm not anti it.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I just would like to, you know, the minutia point it,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I think is important. They need a tight end that
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: can block absolutely. Jared's in South Carolina. What's up, Jared?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Jared? All right? Call us back, Jared and we'll get
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: you on. All right, Eldred, what's going on? Eldred?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 11: Hey, how are we doing doing? I'm not doing too good.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 11: But it's a couple of things that I sort of
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 11: disagree with y'all about. Y'all just can't believe to see
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 11: how the man for man on the front deep of
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 11: the line was way better than ow. I mean even
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 11: the people that rotated in. So it's mainly the players
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 11: and I think our quarterback got sped up and had
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 11: mental blocks because of a couple of those throws you
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 11: said he was missing, you know, like that back shoulder
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 11: to uh to the witch call, and he had he
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 11: had Stevenson in the flat and he's right there. He
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 11: just didn't see him. I think he gets sped up
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 11: and he just got you know, over him by that defense.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 11: And when he was coming off the right side, the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 11: slot corners was waving, but Drake didn't see him. You
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 11: were looking to the left, you know most of the time.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 11: But but they young understand that they gonna get better
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 11: after after you know, this year, at least I hope
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 11: they do. But you're talking about whide receives the draft.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 11: Still I'm still looking at Chris Brosaldi from Tennessee six
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 11: five four four four three. And that's another T Max
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 11: every market. Like I tell you about T Max the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 11: first time, you laughed at me. So what you think now?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: And I let not take it off the air, thanks, Aldred.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I think that Drake may would have been on his butt,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and that would have been just like he wasn't ended
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: up being anyways. Anyways, what was the first point, oh about? Yeah,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: like Seattle definitely was just a better team and one
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: up front. But like again, like what would so the
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Patriots were just supposed to sit there and say, well,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: they're just better than us, so we're just gonna take
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: our ball and go home. Like there was no adjustments
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: they could have made. There was no you know, schematic
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: tweaks that they could have made, Like, I just won't
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: accept that. I think too much of Mike Rabel and
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. I think they're too capable as coaches to
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: just basically chalk it up to they were just better
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: than us and there was nothing we could have done
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: better coaching wise or schematically to try to help the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: offensive line.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: We were just screwed.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Like, I just don't I think that that's I think
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: that there's more to it than that. I guess, like,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I just think that there's always an answer, There's always
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: something that you could do differently. I laid out like
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: ten things that they could have tried to do that
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: would have been different and would have maybe helped, and
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: they didn't really do any of them. So we all
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: can kind of sit here and say, full stop, Seattle
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: was just the better team and they won one on
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: one matchups and they their guys beat the Patriots guys.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Like absolutely positively true.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: But if you know that you're at a talent disadvantage,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: then the coaching needs to do some things to help
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: out the talent, right, Like they need to help out
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: their guys and try to make life easier on them.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: And I just I didn't think they did a good
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: enough job of that. So I think both things can
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: be true. And we see it all the time, Like
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: there were probably times this year where the Patriots were
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: facing teams that had a little bit more talent than
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: they did, but coaching and you know, just vibes, frankly,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff just elevated the Patriots above
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: the opponent. Yeah, and this time they just couldn't do it.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: They just couldn't pull it out one more time. All right,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: let's get.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: To some real quick to his last point, Chris Brasel, Yeah,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: he is the latest Tennessee outside speaker, Dante Thornton, Dante Thornton,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: John Hyatt, that player any interest. I mean, there's more aes,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: not exact same play.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I just think, like, like I was saying earlier, I'm
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: just kind of sick and tired of like throwing the
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: darts at the position. I I like, if you're gonna
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: going out and get a wide receiver and to like
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: go get one, that's.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Gonna go get go get again.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: I'm with you the day like the day two guys,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: the flyer guys, like if they want to take guy
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: late lately whatever, but like they have Kyle Williams.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, Booty and Pop, like those are those guys.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Those are the dark right.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: If they're gonna go wide receiver, either go for it,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: which by the way, they are probably out of range
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: for your guy, Mikayle Lemon now, so you know Casey
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: Conception own or Denzel Boston in the first round, or
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: go get it. If they're going to add a wide
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: receiver this offseason, to me, it's a veteran. It's an
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: established veteran. It's an AJ Brown kind of player.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Go trade for one, right, Go trade for one of
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: these guys that's disgruntled and wants to move. You know,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: I know Max Crosby wants to move to I would
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: love that move as well. You know what, whatever it takes,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: this is they're in that position, you know, I think, yeah,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: we sort of talked about this, and I keep coming
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: back to this one particular trade when I the Cowboys
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: trade and Michael Parsons and people called into the show
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: and said, why weren't the Patriots and on Michael Parsons
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: and we all said, it's too early, like they're not
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: ready for that move yet. Then they went on and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: they went fourteen and three and made the Super Bowl.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Now I feel differently, they're in the They're in that
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: mode now. You know, Drake may is an MVP candidate,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Mike Rabel is one of the best coaches in football.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: You know, they are in that position now that they
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: don't need the thirty first pick in the draft. If that,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: if that picks traded for Max Crosby, that's a that's
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: a win now move that they should be interested in making.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: So I look at the same way at wide receiver,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: they don't need another Kyle Williams, and disrespect to Kyle Williams.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: They just have you have Kyle Willias, like you have
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: your developmental speedster that they can hopefully you know.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: And it's not like we kind of went against that
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit last year, but it was it wasn't
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: it was different front office, right, Yeah, Uh, you know,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: because with with like Jalen Polk and and and uh
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: how quick you forget uh Bakers Baker, I think that
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: you know, this is the group that drafted Kyle Williams.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Now it's like you drafted him the top one hundred.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I think Kyle Williams, and it's not Jalen Polk had
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: flashes like in his training cap right very early on
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: his rookie season. I think Kyle, Kyle Pitts, Kyle Williams
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: has shown a little bit more than Oh.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, no, I don't mean to compare them as players.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: I just mean it in the sense of, like I'm
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: very big on you draft a guy in the top
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: one hundred, you don't give up on him after a year. Yeah,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: last year was an exception because the people in charge
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: weren't the people who drafted those players. It's not there's
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: carry over this year. We haven't done a carryover off
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: season in a little bit here, Evan, So.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: There should be coaching staff carry over too. So it's
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: not they're not going to be changing systems again.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: They're not going to be doing that, right, So I
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: think you, you know, Kyle Williams deserves a longer look
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: here Okay.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Let's get to some of these emails.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, like I'm trying to like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: get this this weight lifted off my shoulders of like
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: the frustration from that that offensive game planet, and I'm
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: trying to like just like wash it away.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so let's get to some of these.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Let's get into the emails. U.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: This is Barton Poland emails in with the point that
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I've been kind of hammering home with Will Campbell a
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: little bit as well. He says, I think we should
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: slow down a bit with the treating Campbell's move to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: guard as some kind of automatic fix or a guarantee
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: he suddenly becomes an all pro. This is a good,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: well thought out email, bart that's very long, but he
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: kind of points to some of the different nuances between
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: guard and tackle, and I could not agree more. Like
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: I understand from some respects, and I think the thing
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: about guard versus tackle with Campbell kind of goes back
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: to mentality. Like people just think that he has the
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: mentality of a guard, right, Like he's the one of
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: those kind of like nasty finishers that you know, has
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit of an edge and plays with a
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: little bit of an attitude and like typically that like
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: kind of like tone setting mindset mentality is lends itself
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: more to guard than it does to tackle, Like you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: hear that more with guards and tackles from a skill
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: set standpoint, I just I keep coming back. I just
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: don't really know what fixes anything automatically by moving him
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: inside other than the fact that maybe you know, you
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: don't it's more of a car crash inside than it
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: is like a dance on the outside. So maybe his length,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: like it kind of would cover up that element a
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: little bit. But when I watch Campbell's set, like he
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: sets hot like he's a higher cut athlete.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: You know, he's got great feet, he's got great you
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: know balance in his movements.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily look at a guy as like him,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: as like a guy that's going to like get underneath
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: people and leverage and drive them and you know win,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: you know, with power in the in a phone booth,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: like you want to put a guy that's getting put
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: on skates at tackle and how you want to put
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: him inside and have him blocked three hundred and thirty
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: pound defensive tackles, Like I just I'm with bart, I
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if this is just an
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: automatic And I know everybody says, oh, I think he
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: could be an all pro card. I know they don't
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: aren't saying it's automatic that he's going to be an
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: all pro guard. But I don't think it's even automatic
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: that he would be a better guard. Like I think
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: that there's a possibility that there's deficiencies at guard that
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: would he would struggle with. So that's why I even
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: furtherly feel strongly about keeping him at tackle and just
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: working at it at tackle.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just go back to he wasn't he was
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: fine before he got hurt. He wasn't great, but he
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: was fine before he got hurt. And yeah, you give
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: him a full year in an NFL weight program, You
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: give them a full off season developed, you work on
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: some of the technique stuff, You let him get healthy.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: If I'm gonna keep going back to this all off season,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: you want to call in to say need move Will
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Campbell to guard for who who? You can't get worse
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: than left tackle? Just to prove a point, right, So
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not entirely opposed the idea. I think
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: it's a lot more complicated than people make it for Campbell,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: and then what are you doing at left tackle? Putting
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: for Darien Lowe back there? You can dip into the draft.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some guys higher, but you're picking thirty first.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: You know it just it probably causes more problems than
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: it solves. Give him the full off season in an
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: NFL weight program, let him get healthy, and then see
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: where he's at, because I think he has the ability
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: to improve a lot this offseason.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: So this is a question from Greg who says that
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: he's been a fan of ours since the Patriots beat days,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: So I appreciate that, Greg, thank you. He asks, would
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: you consider adding Eagles former Eagles offensive line coach Jeff
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Stoutlin to the coaching staff next year? And to that,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: first of all, Staltlin is one of the best offensive
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: line coaches of his era, certainly one of the most
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: respected coaches and technique guys now. The falling out in Philadelphia.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: We had Ben Solac on during Super Bowl Week and
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: he kind of outlined this perfectly had to do with
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: schematically in the run game. So the way that Jeff Stalin,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: he was their run game coordinator as well towards the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: end of his tenure with Philadelphia. The way that Jeff
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Stalin schemes the run game doesn't lend itself to a
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: lot of the new bells and whistles that go on
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: run games these days, like motions and things like that.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: It's a very stagnant approach, and I think that the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: Eagles felt Sean Manyon, right, that's the coordinator that they hired,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: He felt like it was a little bit outdated what
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Jeff Stalin was doing in terms of the x's and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: o's of the run game. Not so much like the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: techniques and the teaching and all that kind of stuff,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: but just the way that they designed their run game
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: was a little bit outdated from the current NFL where
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: you see all these motions and all this different misdirection
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: and eye candy and all that good stuff. So I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: think Jeff Stalin would be an to any coaching staff
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: from a coaching teaching technique standpoint. Would it solve their
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: problems though schematically? Would it make them better? You know,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: that's a different type of question because I think that
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: we all are kind of pushing for Josh McDaniels.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: To be a little bit more.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Modern and innovative and things like that with the way
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: that he designs the offense.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I think Staltland is being looked at, at least by
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: the Eagles as kind of a dinosaur in that regard.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, but he's still fantastic coach in the position.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: He got a lot of young players. The talent development
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: is important. I wouldn't be against it. I don't know.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of nuance there, like is he replacing
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Doug Moron, is he joining Doug Moron? Or are they
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: gonna have a run game coordinator? I need more context,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: but the answer is not no.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, other question I wanted to ask you if this
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: is kind of related to coaching staff. Yeah, this is
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: a hard question to answer. I concede that what are
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: you doing at the defensive coordinator? Mike Rabel was noncommittal
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: about it yesterday, understandably, so it sounds like Terrell Williams
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: is hoping that he's going to be medically clear to
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: return to coaching.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get some more answers in a couple of
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: weeks when Rabel speaks at the Combine, which is two
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: weeks away. I booked my flight yesterday it's insane. Uh,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: but maybe we'll get some more answers then about it.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Is there a world where I'm trying to wrap my
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: head around this world where they're kind of codecs and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Zach Korr is still the play caller and Zach Korr
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: is still doing what he did. I don't want to
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: break what Zach Korr was doing this year, right, but
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: just kind of like I think what happened towards the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: end here once Terrell Williams, Uh, luckily and thankfully you know,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: got in better health.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Terrell Williams was around and.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: He was advising, and he was helping and you know,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: lending a hand where he could you know, is that
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: a possible path of you know, Terrell Williams is kind
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: of like the overseer. He's kind of, you know, the
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: a high level quality control coach, if you will, And
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Zach Korr is the play caller and the guy actually
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: you know, calling the defense.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, they've done this before, right, Yeah, they
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: now that was obviously a different head coach, but Bill
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: did it with Girod and with Steve Belichick. I like
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: to keep both of them in the building. I think
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: they both do a good job.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: The weird thing is if Core doesn't get hired away,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna like let him go, right, He's still here,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: So that thing's looming you. You have to do something
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: with it. Because let's say they come out in the
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: first game, Troll Williams, the defensive corner of the defense
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: gets knocked around a.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Little bit, just like it did against the Raiders.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: Right, there's gonna be a bunch of questions about, well,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: you know, d want Zach Corr calling plays with you,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: Zak whatever, whatever, whatever, So you gotta do something, like
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: you said, It's not an easy answer, and it's probably
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: one of the tougher decisions I're going have to make
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: this offseason. There's also an element of Trell Williams health
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: that we just don't know publicly, which he's ever right
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: to keep that private. It's not a knock. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: that's a tricky one. I I'd like Zach cordiky Colm plays.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: You would absolutely hate in any way, shape or form
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: for a guy to lose his job because he had cancer, Like,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Can he become like a senior assistant advisor kind of?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Threw out the co defensive coordinators thing. You know, that
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: is essentially the role that Terell Williams would be going
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: into without taking the title away, And maybe that that's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: the cleanest way to do this, so that you know,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: it's not fair to the guy to take away his
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: title because he got sick, Like that's not right. So
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: maybe that's the best way to do it. But I
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: think clearly Zach Korr grew into the role to the
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: point where he deserves to keep the play calling responsibilities.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were dynamite the entire playoff run, So
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: to take that away from him, I think would be
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: tough as well. All right, here's a little off season.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Would you rather all right, so would you rather sign
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: a great blocking title end or receiving Titans Darnett Washington
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: a free agent?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: I think he has another year. Yeah, I want Darnet
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: Washington on the Patriots.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he's a free agent. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: About that, because wasn't he the Gonzales Draft? I thought so, Yeah,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: he's entering contract here.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: So Darnell Washington's the name that the set the emailer
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: floated out. Just put a blocking tight end here, and
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: then he also mentions, you know, Kyle Pitts or Isaiah Likely,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Like which one would you rather?
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Probably receiving tight end, but like I'd rather a guy
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: that's maybe a little less at each and better at
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: you know, the collective, just a more well rounded player. Yeah,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know, that's kind of it's a.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: I think that right now as we sit here, the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: well rounded tight end is one of the most valuable
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: pieces in football. Yeah, Like I look at Seattle, and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: I look at what A J. Barner just did in
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Like that player, I understold AJ Barner.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: I should have talked about him more. And a lead
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: up to this game, we were also caught up in
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: JSN and Rashid Jaheed and all these other guys Kenneth Walker.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: AJ Barner's ability to block and catch passes was a huge,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: huge advantage.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: For here's free agent tight ends. Yeah, Kyle Pitts, Yeah,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: Dallas Goddard. I like Dallas got Travis Kelcey, Isaiah Likely,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: David Joku, Chigakonquo, Charlie Kohler, Darren Waller, Austin Hooper, Kate Auton,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: Mercedes Lewis, Chris Man, Hurts, Moalley Cox, Oh, Jesus keeps going.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: So I really like Dallas Goddard, Dallas Gott It would
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: make a lot of sense.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know why Philly wouldn't let Dallas Goddard walk
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: new offense, But I really like Dallas Goddard. He will
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: be He just turned thirty one last monk. Okay, He's
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: getting up there in age, So that might be why
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: I would expect, based off of the connection in Cleveland,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: that David and Joku might be someone they would consider.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: But that's not getting any younger at the position. That's
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: just a different type of player. But he's certainly what
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: do you mean, David and Joku.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's twenty nine already.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Yeah, I thought he was thirty, but he's.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Going into his age thirty season. I did not realize that.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I like David and Joku because he's he's got that
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: explosiveness down the field, like he's got a little bit
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: more juice up to seem things like that. But he
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: is getting a little bit up there in age. And
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: I would think Kate Aughten is like a sneaky one
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: that could be on.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: There, like going back to you know, watching when Brady
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: was there.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like a young he's younger than Hunter Henry, right.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: I think he's kind of reminds me a little bit
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: of Hunter Henry.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is I think he's coming off
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: as rookie deal.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: So if you know that, that's another option there is.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: He'll turn twenty seven in April.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that one.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: He's probably not as like highly thought of as Hunter
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Henry was when he signed here in twenty one, but
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: I think they're similar.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: You go get to player where you.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: Know, he had fifty nine catches five hundred and seventy
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: two yards this year. Like that's a tight end, solid
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: pretty That goes back to to the email point. Give
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: me the guy that's maybe not elite at pass catching
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: or blocking, but can do a little bit of everything.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: I just like I said before, the whole the whole
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: game now offensively is finding ways to get the defense
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: to go into base personnel like these defenses and part
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: of the reason why Seattle was so dominant. These uh,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: these pass defenses and nickel and dime defense are just
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: too good. Their pressures are too good. Ye, their their
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: coverage rules like defense in a lot of ways. And
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: this is something that's I guarantee you somebody like Jordan
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: rodrieg or someone's gonna write about this this offseason. I'm
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, damn, that's a that's a great piece.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: That's a great idea.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: I would say defenses right now schematically are ahead of offenses.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: It was the other way for a long time, Like
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: the Shanahan Tree offenses came in and uh, you know,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and Sean mcvayh and all those guys started
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: to really innovate with motion and things like that, and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: those guys really were ahead.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: Of the curve.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Defenses have now corrected towards that, and I would say
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: have actually lapped offenses in a lot of ways. I
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: think the biggest one is defense is now, especially good
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: defenses like McDonald and Jesse Minter and these guys, they
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: have such a great understanding of protection rules and how
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: teams are trying to block things and how to blow
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: up blocking schemes that offenses. Offenses are going to have
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: to work really hard to find different ways to block things.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's exactly what we saw with
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Seattle this entire run, you know, as much as I
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: just kind of craft on the Patriots and their game plan.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Like Kyle Shannon scored like three points against this defense
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago in the divisional round. Like
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: this is not a new thing at all with the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Seattle defense. So that's an interesting piece of this is,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: you know, how do offenses sort of counter the way
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: defense are playing? You know, defense is now I think
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of big things that they're doing up front
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: because they're playing so many two high safeties and they're
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: lightning the box defense to stop the pass. You see
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of like stunting and gap penetration on the
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: defensive line. And then they're also adding linebackers from the
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: second level to fire because they're trying to take gaps
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: back because they're playing a gap short in the run game.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: So they're trying to do all these different things, whether
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: it's stunting, gap penetrations, slanting the line. You know, they'll
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: slant the line and they'll blitz the off ball linebacker
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: to kind of fill the backside of the slant. Like
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: they have all these different things that they're doing because
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: they're trying to get penetration to play a gap down
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: in the run game, and offenses right now just haven't
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: really figured out great counters to all these different things.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: So the obvious counter to playing, you know, teams that
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: play so much too high safety is to run the ball.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: But because of all this aggressive front mechanics that defenses
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: are running, Seattle is number one run defense in football
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: despite playing the most too high structures in the league.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: That's broken, Like that's not supposed to happen. If you
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: lighten the box like that, you're supposed to give up
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: rush yards and surrender rush yard and Seattle just doesn't.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: So what's you know, offenses counters like I'm surprised you
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: know that they don't use more, uh, you know, pullers
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: to the edge, Like if you can pull to the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: edge and add blockers to the edge, you can kind
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: of crease the defense that way. You know, there's different
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: things that you can kind of do like that. That
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: it's just one example, but for a long period of time.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: You know, me, I'm obsessed with all the Shanahan guys.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, Matt
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: leafloor Is really good. Like all these guys are all,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: you know, really good at what they do. Uh, they're
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: getting kind of owned right now. And it would started
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: sort of with the Fangio stuff.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: And now these uh you know, newer head coaches and
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinators, you know, defensive minds, they're taking the Fangio
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: thing and now they're adding pressure to it. Like Fan
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Fangio is a very structured defensive coach. He doesn't bring
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of blitzes. The these guys are taking that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: as like the structure of the defense and they're adding
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: pressure packages on top of it.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: It's killing offenses. I mean it really is.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated to see what all these people do,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: these coordinators do in the offseason to try to combat
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: all this.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Leo is an acting what's up, Leo?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on? I was just referring to the
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: off season. I think left guard is the most important thing,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: followed by the pass catchers. I know a lot of
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: people want Crosby, but I don't think it's smart to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: trade a bunch of premium assets for an edge when
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: I think there's better options than free agency. Well I'm
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: not better, but more affordable and more friendly for team
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: building when you could use those assets to address the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: offense that just average. I think it was like one
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: point for Drive, which was worse than the twenty sixteen
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: Browns in the playoffs. So yeah, I'm curious what you
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: guys think.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Leo, I mean, look, the offense was definitely the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: reason why they flamed out in the Super Bowl like that.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: The offense is the biggest problem in that sort of respect.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: My only pushback would be, you can only do what's available, right,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: You can only make the trades that are available. So
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: we talk about this every off season. You can't It's
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: the mystery box thing, like you can't just create the player.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: So as much as I would love to sit here
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: and say they need a veteran left guard, they need
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver, those things have to come
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: to fruition. Now, the left guard things seems more doable
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: because there's usually guards that you can sign that you
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: can acquire in some way.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Shame for guards.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: Here we go.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Isaac Smalo okay from the Steelers, yep, David Edwards
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: from the Bills, Elijah vera Tucker that would be an
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: interesting one from the Jets, Joel Potonio. How old's he now?
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: Twelve year vet? Yeah, he's got to be up there,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Kevin Zeitler, another older guy, Greg Van Rotten, Dalton Reisner,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: Dylan parhum At, Ingram Wyatt, Teller and then it kind
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: of falls off. So Ian Johnson remember that traf.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't love any of those options. Maybe
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: the trademarket, you know, would be more if they just
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Tucker's not bad. They just acquired Joe Tune, This would
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: have been all right, although what it's worth Yep, what
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: was Tony go for a fourth round pick something like that?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: That was Craig Woodson.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, Barry Tucker's not a bad one. I
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: think he's played right most of his career if I'm
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: not mistaken. Maybe I've made that up. I can't remember
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: exactly because he's played a little bit of tackle and
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: he's played a little bit of guard. Yeah, and he
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: played tackle at USC, but he's a guard. He might
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: have been a left guard. That might have been a
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: tackle to left guard.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: I think he's been hurt too, right, Yeah, he played
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: his entire rookie season at left and then it's been
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: right since.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: Play last year was hurt.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so as much as I you know, agree
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: wholeheartedly that if you look at the team and look
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: at the playoff r on, the offense was the issue
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: and not the defense.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: You can only trade for who's available.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: So if you would decide that you want to make
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: a big splash trade, let's just say you put thirty
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: one up for auction and you say, you know, we're
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: going to trade a first round pick for a star player.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: If Max Crosby is the best player that you can
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: get with that pick, then you're trading for Max Cross.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. This is probably gonna
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: be somewh're gonna do all off season. So we're gonna
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: lock it.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: J J.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: Brown or Max Crosby.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: I lean Max Crosby.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: I would go Crosby.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: And it's not because, again I just said, the offense
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: has the bigger ways to go.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: Crosby's a better player, and I just think.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: Crosby is a great culture fit and what they have.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: I think Crosby is a vable guy. You know, he
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: said on a podcast recently, and I fully believe him.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: His alarm goes off at four fifty five every single morning.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: He drives to the Raiders facility and he works out
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: in the morning and then he's there all day. Yeah,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: working on his craft like that is a culture building
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Rabel type of guy.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Where A J. Brown also played for Mike Rabel and
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby did it.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown played for Mike Rabel, So maybe Mike Rabel
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: the best out of it, get the best out of him,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: or knows that some of this other crap is nonsense.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: You know that gets talked about with AJ Brown, but
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: you just you know. AJ Brown was on a pretty
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: good team this year and was upset the entire season,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and it just I would rather Max Crosby.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: I think I believe Max Crosby too. How about this
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: one we go back to that, would you rather AJ
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: Brown or Brian Thomas Jr. Oh, I think I'd go
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: be A J. Brown there, Well, Brian Thomas Junior shouldn't
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: cost you as much as he's younger.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: I Michael, Brian Thomas Jr. Michael for the younger. I
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: know Rabel has the familiarated Brown. So here's the thing.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: To me, for one year, A J. Brown's probably better.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: But we're gonna talk about getting the receiver that Drake
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: may like grows with right and develops with and you
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: know the guy that's going to be his guy for
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: the next you know, five or six years. Howard's AJ Brown.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: Now it's not is he thirty?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: No, he's like twenty seven, twenty eight?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: Is he going He's going to his age twenty nine season?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: Howlds Brian Thomas.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: He just I mean it's his only second year in
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: the LA.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I guess I thought A. J. Brown was
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: a little older than he is. He's going into his
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: age twenty four season. Brian toal, I like the idea
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: of the twenty four year old that's going to grow
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: with Drake May long term there, that's a lot cheaper.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: He's on a rookie deal. So I'd probably go Brian
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: Thomas for the long term. But if you're like, no,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: we want to get back this year, blah blah blah whatever. Yeah,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: I'd obviously want to get back to Super Bowl. But
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, if you want the short term approaches,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: like no, we need to capitalize on him right now. Yeah,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: I'd probably go A J. Brown, but I think Brian
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: Thomas a better long term investment.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: I also would say that Brian Thomas Junior's best trick
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: is running fades from the slot, and I wouldn't mind
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: s Drake Mate dimes to Brown that route on slot fades.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Brian Thomas Junior did at LSU
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: with Jayden Daniels and Melik Neighbors.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: Me, why are the Jaguars training Bri Thomas again?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: It was a weird year for him last year, but
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: I would agree, and I would also say that I'm
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: pretty sure the reporting right now is that Travis Hunter
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: is gonna play corner when he comes back from injury
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: next year, So don't I don't know now, he had
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: a weird year last year, BTJ did. It wasn't a
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: good sophomore season.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: He was hurt.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: He was kind of like not some of the film
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: was kind of you know, just like jogging through routes
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It was a little like not
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: as like demonstrative, but some of the things that you
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: hear about like George Pickens, you know, like taking plays off,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: like not fully bought in. But granted you could say
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: the same thing about aj Bri.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a part of me like twenty three
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: year old thousand yard rookie receiver and they're already ready
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: to move on from what do they know that I
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: don't unlike fair enough.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Now, I think that Stefan Diggs was a pretty good
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: citizen here, and we all had doubts about that. So okay,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: I'll say to get people overblew that.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe we're overblowing it about aj Brown or
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: maybe all right, you know, that's just the point I'm
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: trying to.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Make, I guess. All right, So since we both said
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: Brian Thomas junior, Brian Thomas Junior, Max Crosby, I just.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Love the idea of christ I know, I don't know why.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: Like it's not because if you have a guy that
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: can get pressure that consistently that quickly, I know, Christian
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: Gonzalez and Carlton Davis on the outside and go An
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: intercepting a million footballs.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: Melton Williams and Barmar were inside causing the push in
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: the middle. And so I I.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: It's counterintuitive to a lot of the things that I
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: feel because like I'm a big offense guy, and I
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: know I'm surprised they just scored like sixteen points a
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: game in the playoffs, and I'm saying, go add to
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: the defense.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: But it comes back to just like who can you
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: who's the best player?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: You know about collecting talent, it's about building.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: A team, right, and he's the best player.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: You add Max, well, that's collecting town. But like you
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: add Max Crosby the d What did we say? What
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: did we just say about the defense in the Super Bowl?
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: They played well in the sense that they prevented the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Seahawks from doing a lot. But they didn't and this
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: is kind of case all year.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: They didn't make the impact.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: They didn't make places, they prevented the offense from making plays.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: They didn't make plays themselves. That's that next level. You
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: out a guy like Max Crosby to this defense, suddenly
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: they're gonna make a ton of plays.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, here's an email from Kyle. This is
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: the biggest needs in the first round and he has
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: three positions and he wants us to rank. Okay, I
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: feel like this is the question we're gonna get. This
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: is the Is this the big three needs of the offseason?
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: If the Patriots stick and pick at thirty one, which
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: position would you prioritize edge wide receiver, offensive line. I
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: mean it depends was on the board, right, Like, okay,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: let's just say it's the same play we're gonna have
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: because this is the way we're gonna get this. We're
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: gonna have to do the weird thing about like what's
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: the deal with ruben Bain.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Rubenmate is not falling at thirty one.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: I I like Mesador, the other guy from Miami for
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: what it's worth, you know, all things considered, Probably wide receiver,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: like I said earlier, if they're gonna take a swing,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: I'd want to take the big swing. I do late
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Casey conception own there, especially if you know, we gotta
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: see what's gonna have with Diggs contract. Probably receiver because
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: like you said, like they could get a starting left
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: guard there, and that's probably the safest pick. I know
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: your thing about guards in the first round, but nope,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: just based on who's available, Like that should be a veteran.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: They need a starting left guard, but that should be
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: a veteran. I like Emmanuel Pregnant, he'd probably be the guy.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: I'd probably go a receiver, but like realistically, in terms
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: of who the guys are that will probably be on
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: the board at that point. Wide receiver versus edge. I
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: like the edge players better for them.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, can you just look at it as like you
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: just have a Madden Creative player that's an eighty overall
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: at all three positions. We're not talking about. I'm trying
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: to put it in your terms because they're not talking about.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I think it's better, you know realistically
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: that no, just.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: I think an eighty overall edge helps them more than
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: eighty overall wide receiver, because I think they have some
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: eighty overall wide receivers. If we're talking about like into
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: the nineties, Like yeah, okay, a ninety overall wide receiver
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: helps them more in a ninety overall edge. That's different.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: So it depends on what you think of some of
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: those guys that are on the board.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: On the I'm not looking at offensive line the same
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: way as everybody else. Maybe I have a rose colored glasses.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: I really like the room this year.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: Here's what they like the guys.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of it. I need to put some
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: separation between, you know what, the guys that we've gotten
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: to know in the locker room this year, who have
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: all are all really good guys, and the actual hard
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: decisions you have to make. I'm still looking at the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: offensive line. No, is like I would like to upgrade
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: one interior position.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: Here's here's what I matt with the offensive line. They
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: need a starting left guard. Yeah, they could probably get
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: that in the draft, but I'm with you, I think
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: that should be Veteran. Yeah. So well, if they don't
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: end up with that guy in fre agency, yeah, it'll
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: become a serious discussion leading up to the draft. Let's
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: see what they do in free agency. The other thing
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: they need to address is a long term answer at
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: right tackle. Yes, whoever that is.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: I think they're in the school though not to cut
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: you off at right tackle where it's like that's probably
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: a developmental pick this year, and like you know the
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: middle rounds, like the third or fourth round, where you
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: try to take like a tools the guy that you
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: can develop behind Morgan Moses. If it doesn't work out,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: then obviously, you know, once Morgan Moses decides to retire
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: or whatever, that's when you have to go all in
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: and addressing right So this is what I was going
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: to say, Do you have a little bit of time
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: there is if.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: You want to get aggressive about that. Let's say you're
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: somebody to know they have to get the guy Morgan
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: mo is gonna be thirty five. You know a guy
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: that's not a Day one but maybe your one guy. Yeah, Max,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to learn this, I guess in the hatch.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: Or is the guy from Arizona State had a really
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: good Senior Bowl. He didn't start playing football until he
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: was a think sixteen high school something like that. It's
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: a big time soccer player.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: He is.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to find his official combine measurement. He's listed
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: at six six three thirty. I think he's bigger than that. Yeah,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: he is the the We have a couple of these
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: guys every year completely totally. Raw has outstanding play, strength, plays, nasty,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: high motor all that has the size. He just needs
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: to learn how to play football basically.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: And oh that's just not nothing. You know, that's just
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: a small thing. Learn how to play the sport.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Well, there's been there's been guys that have worked out
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, right now. He was originally supposed to
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: be like a fringe top one hundred pick, which you
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: know that guy in that spot. Sure you talk about
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: trying to find my lot on the Eagles. Yeah, the
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: really good combine probably now if you take him, you're
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: gonna have to take him in the second round, and
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: for the Patriots it might be trading up. So but
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: if you have a year to develop him behind Morgan Moses,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: maybe feel good about that. It's just about you know,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: if you think you're gonna need him year one, it
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: gets a little tougher. I'm trying to combine measurement.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: So I think what I would do with the I
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: agree that these are probably their three biggest.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: But he's gonna be He's You're you're gonna to be
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: ready because he's gonna be.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: I keep saying combine seniable measurement. That's why I can't
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: find it. He's gonna be somebody we're talking about.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Why.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: So I would say with the offensive line, I would
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: look to sign another veteran try six.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: Five three, twenty five, thirty four and is that arm
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: life thirty four and a half in charms.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we're doing this already. Uh, offensive line,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: I would sign a garden free agency. I try to
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: sign up with you on the left garden free agency.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: Then I go big game hunting at edge and wide receiver. Yeah,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: in the veteran market, make a move for one of
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: those two and then in whichever one I.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: Don't get, that's your first round pick. Yeah, and then
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: probably round that out, you know, take get get a
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: developmental tackle somewhere on day two, tight end. This is
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: there is some good like late third, early fourth, like
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: late day two, early day three corners. They do need
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: another boundary corner. Maybe you get a guy with some
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: upside that can eventually step in for Carlton Davis and
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: that could be your top one hundred right there.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think I missed anything.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: I said tight end, right yeah, something like that I
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: think is probably uh, you know what I would do.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: I I don't know.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: I just feel as though those are probably your three
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: biggest needs. But I just I'm gonna be go down
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: with the chip on offensive line. I can feel it already.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: I just don't think that it's I don't think they
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: need multiple starters.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: I think they need one.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: You need one starter and you need one projectable starter.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I am starting Morgan Moses at right tackle.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: Now, h yeah. Yeah, but it would you know it's
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: gonna be thirty five.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: I get it. They need to start preparing.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: I want the next the next guy should be in
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: the building.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: You know, they don't need to draft that in this
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: first round.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: No, but it could be a top one hundred pick. Okay,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: you disagree, Yeah, no, that's fine. Okay, but like the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: third round, right, yeah, exactly.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Give me somebody that throw it to the coaching staff
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: and let's see if they can develop the gayep last
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: couple here and then we got to wrap it up.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: This is from John.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: He says that he saw you at the airport in
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: baggage claim he took a photo with him.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that happen. Yes, that happened.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: That was at the end. That was like at the
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: end of that flight, at the end of that week.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: I apologize. I was probably on planet Zippy. Just it
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: was a long day, long two days between the Zoo
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: Bowl and all that travels, So I, Paul, I was
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: out of it, but I do remember that.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: So John, along the same lines of what we're talking
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: about with wide receiver, Yeah, says, you know, if they
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: do make one of these big splashes at wide receiver,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: that they're going to have to make a tough decision,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: possibly on kaishon Boody.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, if they if they trade for
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: a J.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: Brown, and that's gonna be Kaisehon Boody's role, and there
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: goes Kaishon Boody. I was a tiny now a couple
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: of them, I think were you know, he met Drake May,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: had him on a slant and missed the throw. You know,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: that was one of the big misses he had in
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: the game. You know, maybe there was one or two
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: plays there that Drake May didn't have the best throw
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: or the best decision. Looking at Kaishan Boody, but I don't.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: I like Kaishan Boody, but I think that there's an
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: upgrade there that's possible, and I think that that needs
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: to be something that they're interested in. You know, pretty
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: much the one guy that he got in the playoffs
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: was Stingle. He seems to have Stingly's number. Yeah, the
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: rest of it I think was pretty tough sledding for
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: Kaishan Booty for most of the playoffs. And that's a
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: starting wide receiver who's playing more snaps pretty much than
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: any other wide receiver on the team besides maybe Matt
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: Collins when he was healthy. So they need to look
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: at getting a more dynamic X in Kaishan Booty, I think,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: which is tough because I think Kayshan Boody has done
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: everything right.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: But you could also, like we both thought he's probably
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: better at the Z anyway.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've heard that, and I wonder about that.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that I think that is holding on
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit to like early lsu Kashan Boody.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, but I could see where you're coming from
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing is is you know,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get in a lot of backside one on
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: one coverage when you're at that position.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: That's the nature of the position.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: And they have a quarterback that can put the ball,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: you know, wherever he wants against that type of coverage,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: and they need a guy that not only can win
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: the ball, but also can get open on those routes.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: In Kisehan Boody did during the regular season, and he
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: didn't do it as much like everybody on the team,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: not just him, you know, he didn't do it as
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: much in the playoffs. Let's end it on this one
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: because it feels like the uh this is a good
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: a good way to end it. This is from Blake
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: and Ohio. Now that I've had a few days to sulk,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: I wanted to reach out and thank you guys for
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: a fantastic season. It was fun to be a Patriots
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: fan again this year, and a lot of that have
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: to do with you guys and your coworkers.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for that.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate everybody that you know watched and listened
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: to all the different shows this show, especially because this
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: is our show and I near and dear to my heart.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: During the season.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: Wasn't the way that we wanted it to end, obviously,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: but like I said at the top of the show,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: now I'll be a little bit fanboy.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: It was a really fun ride.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: This is the most fun that I've had covering this
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  Speaker 1: team in a long long time, like probably twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: our very first year on the Beat when they won
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, because even nineteen, like Brady was sulking,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: it wasn't all that fun, to be honest, even though
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: they were winning games. This was the most fun I've
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: had covering the team, maybe my entire time covering the Beat.
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  Speaker 1: This was a great, great team. This was a great
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  Speaker 1: group of guys, probably the best locker room that I've
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  Speaker 1: ever been around. And it didn't They didn't finish the job,
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  Speaker 1: and that's disappointing. And maybe they, you know, didn't finish
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  Speaker 1: the job as a result of they weren't quite a
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  Speaker 1: championship caliber team and that finally caught up to them
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  Speaker 1: when they played one of the behemoths in the NFC.
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  Speaker 1: And like, I'll concede all that stuff, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: take away from you know, the friends we made along
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  Speaker 1: the way.
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  Speaker 3: As they like to say, no, it's just a this
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  Speaker 3: was a special year. Yeah, this an awesome year. I
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: appreciate everybody who tuned in and all that. That was
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: kind of part of what it hit me at the end.
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  Speaker 3: When it hit me is like, man, it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: hopefully they're onto bigger and better things, but there was
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  Speaker 3: something of this team was a little different. Yeah, and
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: sometimes I've covered a lot of teams at a lot
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  Speaker 3: of different levels, and you know, this is probably the
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  Speaker 3: first time on this job covering this team that like
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  Speaker 3: you had that feeling this was.
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  Speaker 2: The best locker room, the best team chemistry, the best vibes.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna roll your eyes at this, but this reminded
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: me of like covering college athletics and like where you
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: get that kind of camaraderie and stuff like that. This
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: team reminded me that, So hopefully, you know, they can
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: work to replicate that last year. Next year they should
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: have a lot of their leadership back. But sometimes these
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: things are just lightning in a bottle, and even if
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  Speaker 3: it's good next year, maybe it's not quite what this was.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think it will be.
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  Speaker 3: And the hope is and that doesn't mean it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be bad or no, because the hope.
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  Speaker 1: The hope is that the talent on the team is better, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that you can recreate the energy
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  Speaker 1: and the vibes around this team. That's gonna be really
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: hard to do. That doesn't mean that they're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: worse though, that mean and that doesn't mean that the
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: vibes are gonna be bad or they're all gonna hate
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  Speaker 1: each other.
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  Speaker 3: That can be different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, So that does it for today. That
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: was a little bit therapeutic. I'm still kind of pissed,
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  Speaker 1: but hopefully I'll get over this eventually. The uh Catch
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  Speaker 1: twenty two will be back next Wednesday at noon. We're
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: now at noon to two. I'd like we were today
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: every Wednesday the off season moving forward. Like I mentioned
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, we're going to the Combine and
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: like two and a week and a half, so that's
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be right around the corner. PEU tomorrow twelve to
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: two Tuesdays and Thursdays now, So that's our off season schedule.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: But I promise you we will have written we all
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: have video content, we'll have podcasts. We're not going anywhere
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: throughout the entire off season. And unlike some of the
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: off seasons that we've gotten used to the last couple
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: of years out, we're getting right into it.
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  Speaker 3: This is gonna be a blitz.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: This is gonna be like that.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: It was cool covering the top of the draft. I'd
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: rather not do it. There was some cool things about it,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: But the one thing that was tough was when we
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: started the draft essentially in October. Yeah, and we did
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: our best, and we're professionals, but even I can admit
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: it got a little repetitive. Sure at times, this is
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: not gonna get repetitive.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: Because we're all cramming, we have fewer time to fill
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: it in and frankly, there's more players to talk about.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: Right when you're picking third or fourth, you know it's
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: gonna be one of however, many guys. Yeah, we're gonna
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: be coming in every week and we're going to be
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: a different player every week. That this is the argument
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: for the first round for this guy, and you know,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: free agency trades to no, there's gonna be This is
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: like you said, we're gonna be cramming it in. This
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: is we are not going to be short on content.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: This is not gonna be repetitive.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: So next week I want to do some more off
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: season needs stuff.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about their internal free agents a
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: little bit more too, and who I would be interested
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: in signing and bringing back. And then of course we'll
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: start to talk about the combine and all that good
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: stuff as well.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see you guys.
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  Speaker 6: Then.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for a great season, but we're not done here
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  Speaker 1: on Catch twenty two. Alex and I will be back
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: next week.
• 2:03:00
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• 2:03:14
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• 2:03:16
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• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot