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- 0:13Hello and welcome to another episode of The Good Side
- 0:17of Sports Podcast, where we highlight the good being done by athletes and
- 0:21organizations. I'm your host, Brian Hartong, and today's guest is
- 0:24coming to us from Washington, D.C. Where you'll find an association that
- 0:29supports some of the best athletes in the world in the most popular sport in
- 0:33the United States. And to find out how they support these athletes in the community
- 0:37is Brandon Parker, Director of Media and Community Relations
- 0:41for the NFLPA. So Brandon, welcome to the show.
- 0:44Thanks for having me, Brian. Appreciate it. No problem.
- 0:47I'd like to start out a little to find out a little bit about you
- 0:50and your role at the association. Yeah, so I've
- 0:54been at the NFLPA for about 10 years now. It doesn't
- 0:58seem like it's been that long, but I'm in the communications department
- 1:03and currently I'm the director of media and community
- 1:07relations. So kind of twofold with media relations,
- 1:11what it sounds like, we're just working with the media to put
- 1:16out what we do as a union to support players, the different programs and resources.
- 1:21We have around CBA negotiations, our collective
- 1:24bargaining agreement. That's when a lot of people see us in the news.
- 1:27But still, all the work that we're doing as a union,
- 1:31we want to make sure that it's visible and players see it, but it's also
- 1:34accurate. And then on the community relations side, which obviously we'll
- 1:38get into deeper during this conversation, but just highlighting
- 1:42and supporting what players are doing off the field to help people. So I
- 1:45enjoy it. It's been good. I was in sports journalism before
- 1:49this. Um, so yeah, it's been, it's been a good pivot to stay
- 1:54in the industry. Nice. Have you been in DC the whole time?
- 1:58Uh, for at— while I'm at the NFLPA, yes. Our, like you said,
- 2:01our headquarters are in DC and I'm from the DMV area
- 2:05in Northern Virginia. Um, when I was in the sports journalism side, bounced around
- 2:10a few different places like Connecticut, South Carolina,
- 2:14back here working with the Washington Post. So yeah, it's good to
- 2:18be settled back home. Nice. So as far as what you
- 2:22do supporting the players in the community, is it more
- 2:26of an outreach where you find things that fit for them or
- 2:30are you pretty much promoting what they do?
- 2:33Yeah, so it's more so the latter, promoting what they do, because I
- 2:38think a narrative out there is that players
- 2:42aren't— don't really care about their communities, or, you know, they can be troublemakers.
- 2:46But there's just so much that goes on that, you know, goes under
- 2:50the radar that players do to help their team cities,
- 2:54their hometowns. Um, so we want to be a resource
- 2:58and a vehicle, and one, letting people know, um,
- 3:01that that's out there. And a lot of players, you know, they don't want that
- 3:05attention there because they're not doing it for that. So a lot of stuff
- 3:08that, you know, happens, you won't even— we don't— we're not even aware of.
- 3:13But it's a lot of good work that they're doing. And then as we've
- 3:16built out, you know, our community relations work and support,
- 3:21we've partnered with a lot of different stakeholders and people that,
- 3:24you know, are doing— also doing great work in this industry.
- 3:28And we're connecting players with those partners and
- 3:31organizations so they can broaden their charitable impact and
- 3:35continue the great work that they're doing. Do you have any specific instances
- 3:41where you've connected two together?
- 3:45Yeah. So I'd say with the Community MVP program that
- 3:49we were in our 13th season of doing that now, where we highlight
- 3:54one player each week during the regular season who does something good
- 3:59to give back to their hometown or team city. And we'll donate
- 4:03$10,000 to their foundation, the union does, to help them continue
- 4:06that great work. But we've built partnerships along
- 4:10the way. We're in our second season working with GoFundMe,
- 4:15and everybody's familiar with them as a crowdfunding platform.
- 4:19But that's opened up another avenue on top of our
- 4:23contribution to the Players Foundation. It's a way for fans and
- 4:27the public to also contribute to their cause. That's kind of
- 4:31a vehicle that we've used and connected them with GoFundMe just so if they're
- 4:35doing other things that they want to raise money for, they have that
- 4:39platform to do so. During COVID
- 4:44which is a crazy time obviously for everybody,
- 4:47we did virtual visits into classrooms
- 4:52and hospitals where we work with different players to you
- 4:56know, within their local team city that they could virtually,
- 5:00you know, Zoom in and just encourage kids. And that led to a
- 5:04lot of connections where there were schools that
- 5:07kept in touch with those players' agents and marketing reps. And they, once everything
- 5:11opened back up, they made, you know, visits to those actual schools.
- 5:16Again, different organizations and partnerships like Sport for Impact
- 5:20is one that comes to mind that a former player, Anquan Boldin, runs.
- 5:24And he specifically works with athletes to help them
- 5:27build out their foundations and nonprofit work, just knowing that it's a unique space
- 5:31when players and athletes get involved. So we've funneled
- 5:35players that way as well, just to help them figure out how they want to
- 5:39impact and help the community. So a lot of good success stories
- 5:42for sure. That's awesome. I know when I started this whole
- 5:46thing, I wanted to bring to light what people do because
- 5:50like you said, you only see them on the field. You don't know what they
- 5:53do behind the scenes and they are a little hard to track down.
- 5:56That's for sure. Because you're right about sometimes they don't want— they just
- 6:00want to do the good work. They don't want everyone to say, hey, look how
- 6:03great I am, I'm doing this, which is not what I'm trying to do.
- 6:06I just try to bring the light so I can maybe, like you say,
- 6:09support them and further their cause and stuff like that. So,
- 6:13yep. So I know you— who was the winner
- 6:17this week of the Community MVP? So we just hit week
- 6:214 and it was Mac Collins. Of the New England Patriots.
- 6:25Um, special connection to Mac, we both went
- 6:29to the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. Go Tar Heels!
- 6:32Uh, so throw that in there. But, um, but Mac, he, uh,
- 6:36he, he's— this is the first time he's won it, but, you know,
- 6:40probably long overdue just for the work that he's doing. So he's a Special Olympics
- 6:45ambassador, and this goes back all the way to his days in college
- 6:48where he just took it upon himself to to do that work. And this is
- 6:52before the current college NIL state where they were
- 6:56actually making money back then. So this is kind of him investing
- 6:59his own time, his own money. And he did it again,
- 7:02this time in Massachusetts, where he funded a whole field
- 7:07day event for about 125 Special Olympic athletes and
- 7:11their families to come out and just do different interactive sports stations.
- 7:15There was a photo booth. Uh, food. And, and, you know,
- 7:19the pictures are really cool because you can see that he's really engaged and just
- 7:23gets a joy out of, out of giving back and helping people in that
- 7:27way. And that's, that's the cool part to see, because guys
- 7:31understanding their platform, um, and they were often
- 7:35in, in the same shoes of a lot of these kids or just people in
- 7:39need. And now that the, you know, they're on the other side of things Um,
- 7:43you can see they kind of go back to those moments, um, and,
- 7:46and realize like, yeah, that was just me, you know, not too long ago,
- 7:50but now I can actually be the person that inspires. And who knows
- 7:54who that, who that kid or person will become, um,
- 7:57based off of that one personal engagement. So shout out
- 8:01to Mac, uh, well, well-deserved honor. Yeah, that's great. So what
- 8:05goes into like the process of winning the, the weekly award?
- 8:09Yeah, so, uh, good question. So we, uh, we have a
- 8:13nomination form that lives on our Community MVP website, and each
- 8:17week we'll get submissions mostly from players'
- 8:20agents, marketing reps, or their teams, like their PR departments
- 8:25or their community relations departments. And sometimes players themselves
- 8:29or their teammates will also nominate, just knowing the work that's going on.
- 8:34And then we have an internal committee of about 5 people from
- 8:38different departments, including myself, and we'll go through the applications.
- 8:41And I always say it's like picking who your favorite child is because
- 8:45they're all worthy and great, but just kind of looking at different
- 8:49things like impact and personal engagement.
- 8:52And then we will pick a winner off of that.
- 8:55And then every Friday is when we make that announcement.
- 8:59And then from those 18 Community MVPs that
- 9:03are selected during the season, they all become
- 9:07eligible for our Alan Page Community Award,
- 9:10which is like our version of the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award.
- 9:13Um, and, and it's one of our highest player honors that goes to,
- 9:17uh, a player that's doing outstanding community service.
- 9:21And so we'll have an external committee of media, labor,
- 9:24just people from different parts of the industry, and then there's a fan vote that
- 9:29goes into whittling that down to 5 finalists. Each of those 5
- 9:33finalists get an additional $10,000 donation from the union.
- 9:36And then we'll have the players across the league, they will
- 9:40all get a ballot to vote from those 5 on who
- 9:43they think should be that year's Alan Page Community Award winner.
- 9:47So it's actually pretty cool and prestigious. And the players really
- 9:51hold it in high honor because it's like their peers are choosing them.
- 9:55And it's like an award for the players by the players. So it's
- 9:59really cool to see that develop. Yeah, I read, I read a little bit about
- 10:03the Alan Page, and, and now that led me to my next question. And I
- 10:06didn't know if you guys were involved at all with the Walter Payton,
- 10:09uh, voting or any selection of that at all. No,
- 10:13that's, uh, that's on the NFL side. Um, and,
- 10:17you know, we, we talk a lot with, with their, uh,
- 10:20people on their community side because they're doing great work with that award.
- 10:24Um, so yeah, we just kind of— they kind of run parallel, and I
- 10:28guess it it's another avenue for players to be awarded.
- 10:32And I know they hold that award in high esteem,
- 10:35but that's, excuse me, on the NFL side. And then the NFLPA's award is
- 10:39the Alan Page Community Award. Gotcha. Is there an initiative
- 10:44that you guys are leaning towards right now or focused on as far
- 10:47as with player involvement and stuff like that?
- 10:51Yeah, so we, I guess 2 things that
- 10:55we've done recently. One is we,
- 10:59this offseason, we started what's called the NFLPA
- 11:02Player Camp Grant Program. Um, and that just came
- 11:05out of, you know, seeing all the camps that are happening during
- 11:09the summer and the offseason. Um, because players,
- 11:12you know, usually they're back home or, or still living in their team
- 11:17city, but it's, it's just kind of an easy way for them to engage
- 11:20and connect with the next generation of kids. And again,
- 11:23that resonates with them. Because I remember like talking to,
- 11:27uh, Damar Hamlin, and he was saying like he used to go to camps
- 11:32with Pittsburgh Steelers players when he was younger. And then, you know, once he
- 11:36got to, to be on that stage, he wanted to be able to give back
- 11:38in that way. So he, he has a camp each year.
- 11:41Um, but it's like, how can we bring value-add
- 11:45to what the players are doing and show them that something
- 11:49that they care about, we also care about and want to invest in? So We
- 11:53have a grant program and there are about 160
- 11:58players that applied this first season, which it went quickly
- 12:03because we only had so many slots. And we give a $1,000 grant
- 12:07to each of the players in their camps. And that's something cool,
- 12:11again, bringing that value add of something that
- 12:15players really care about and showing that their union also cares and supports them.
- 12:18Supports them. And, um, and then we— something
- 12:22we started about 4 years ago that's taken
- 12:27on different forms throughout the years, but we try to, uh, host a
- 12:30community event during Super Bowl week that,
- 12:33uh, just brings together a lot of the community MVPs,
- 12:37players that are in town, um, because, you know, it's a busy week,
- 12:41but with all this going on, guys see it as another great
- 12:45opportunity to give back. So we try to identify Title I schools in
- 12:49the Super Bowl host city and hold like a field day or just
- 12:53engage with some of our other partners to see how we can help
- 12:58that school in that way and bring a presence of NFL players there to
- 13:02engage and connect with the kids and just make it a memorable time.
- 13:06And that's, that's one of my favorite things to see, like just in person,
- 13:09because again, you see the impact, you see the players care.
- 13:13So we're just kind of keep building and keep supporting in ways
- 13:16that can broaden the player's impact. It's funny
- 13:20doing this, talking to like the directors of
- 13:23these foundations and stuff like that. The players love getting out in the community.
- 13:27It doesn't seem— because they don't shout it from the
- 13:31rooftops, hey, look at what I'm doing, you don't hear about it. But all the
- 13:34stuff that I'm doing, they love like getting out and talking
- 13:38to their fans and especially the kids and stuff like that. Yeah,
- 13:42no, like I said, it's cool to see because it really humanizes them.
- 13:46And I think particularly in, in this, in these times,
- 13:50like, they're just treated so much like robots
- 13:54or products. And, you know, people come up to them, they just want autographs
- 13:58or things from them. But, you know, mostly,
- 14:01I guess, talking in the setting of kids, you get that innocence again where
- 14:05their eyes light up and it's just like they realize that those
- 14:09people and people that are in need that they're impacting, they see them
- 14:13for who they really are, which is a person who puts on their clothes,
- 14:16puts on their shoes like everybody else, and just wants to help in some way.
- 14:20So I think that's the cool part, and that's why it really resonates with us
- 14:24as a union to get involved, because that's what we
- 14:28pour into. We want players to be supported in their whole self, not just
- 14:32as football players and their jobs. Uh, which is a big
- 14:35part of what they do, but it's a small window into who they truly are,
- 14:39um, and what really makes them tick. Because I think a lot of the foundations
- 14:43and community work that you see players do, it's informed by
- 14:47what they went through when they were younger, whether it be single parents
- 14:51or military or somebody impacted by cancer.
- 14:54So that's why you really see the passion when they're in those moments, because it's
- 14:57like, I've, I've been impacted by this and now I can help in some way.
- 15:02Right. So do you guys fund these programs yourself,
- 15:05or is there fundraising that you do, or do you have sponsors
- 15:09or community partners or stuff like that?
- 15:12I'd say 90-some percent of the funding is
- 15:15from our union. So we make a point to include those
- 15:19things in the budget.
- 15:21And the union has
- 15:25dues that are paid for by the players, But none
- 15:29of that money is used towards running the
- 15:33union or staff salaries or things like that. We hold that aside
- 15:37as a player war chest just in case there's a lockout or work stoppage
- 15:41that players could tap into. So it's really just built off of our licensing
- 15:46and marketing arm called Players Inc., where they connect players with
- 15:50licensees and brands and build marketing and
- 15:54revenue opportunities. But it's still funds that are generated
- 15:58by the players. So it's good to be able to pour that back into players
- 16:02and their foundations. But it's like a Community MVP,
- 16:05it's nice to be able to say we as a union, that $10,000
- 16:10is being donated directly from the union to them. So we definitely built
- 16:14up a lot of partners along the way, and there are business elements that
- 16:17help, but it's overwhelmingly, like I said,
- 16:2095-98%, that's from the union itself.
- 16:25Do you continue the relationship after they retire?
- 16:29Because I know a lot of guys like Larry Fitzgerald has a foundation and a
- 16:32lot of retired guys continue their foundation work even after
- 16:36they— Do you guys continue with them? We do.
- 16:39So we have what's called the Professional Athletes Foundation.
- 16:43So the NFLPA is a nonprofit,
- 16:47but that's our foundation arm officially.
- 16:51And what they do is they support former
- 16:55players in that post-NFL career
- 16:59phase. So they've, since starting in 1990,
- 17:04they've helped over 7,000
- 17:07former players and assisted them in some way with if they're navigating
- 17:11hardships and need some financial assistance. They provide over—
- 17:15provided over $37 million, I think it is,
- 17:19to players But also they support player foundations
- 17:23and just creating community moments and
- 17:26ways that we can help. So Larry Fitzgerald, funny you mentioned him, he is one
- 17:30that, that they've worked closely with. Like when the Super Bowl was in Arizona a
- 17:34few years ago, he was involved with his foundation and
- 17:38he's into artwork and paintings and we had some events around there.
- 17:42So yes, we definitely want to help players and support
- 17:46them throughout their whole life cycle because playing in the NFL,
- 17:50you know, it's a very small window, but how can we help guys beyond that?
- 17:54Because that's when you really see them pour into the things that they care about.
- 17:59Yeah, I went to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and did an episode
- 18:03there, and they have a lot of similar things as far as supporting former
- 18:09players and stuff like that. So it's good that they're not just like, okay,
- 18:11you're done playing, see you later. Yeah, and it, you know,
- 18:14it can seem that way for sure because, you know,
- 18:18players— unfortunately, football is, is a violent sport, so players
- 18:22deal with a lot of health challenges. And you've seen some of those headlines
- 18:26around that and, and CTE. And, and,
- 18:29you know, as much as we try to pour into them with
- 18:32resources and support, sometimes there's only so much that we
- 18:36can do when it comes to, to the health things. Um, so yeah,
- 18:40we want to be able to show up as much as we can so that
- 18:43they don't feel like they're, you know, you know, doing this on their own.
- 18:45And that goes for their families too, because they're impacted just as much.
- 18:50Is there like a survey that you guys put out every
- 18:53year or a questionnaire to identify
- 18:58what players are looking for as far as opportunities to get involved? That way
- 19:02you can match them up, or if there's players that currently have foundations or maybe
- 19:062 that they can partner together, do you guys do anything like that? Yeah,
- 19:10so we try to solicit some feedback off of the Community
- 19:14MVP program. Um, just the guys that are honored and, and talking to
- 19:18them, whether it be, you know, over email or just directly,
- 19:22uh, if, if they're out at some of our community events or we're out at
- 19:26one of their events. So that's helpful in like understanding,
- 19:31you know, what are some areas that, that we should maybe focus on
- 19:35that players really care about, or how can we go about
- 19:38highlighting this in a way, um,
- 19:41that the player can lean into that's meaningful to them.
- 19:45So, you know, we don't want to just,
- 19:49you know, give money and show up and sign a check and then that's it.
- 19:52I think a lot of feedback is players like, how can we make
- 19:55this an ongoing, longer-term initiative?
- 19:59Because, you know, sometimes— so for instance,
- 20:02like if you do a one-off charity event, which is fine and that's impactful,
- 20:06let's say for people experiencing homelessness, you might feed them. The reality
- 20:11is that the next week they're likely going to be in the same situation
- 20:15and need another meal. So it's like, how can we keep
- 20:20that momentum and continue to impact those people and help them
- 20:23so they can get on their feet and then hopefully get some stability?
- 20:27So I think that's the biggest feedback is working
- 20:31with players. And it goes both ways of how can we be
- 20:35better in doing that and how can they be helped in making sure that it's
- 20:38not just a one-off, but that they are truly committed to that cause
- 20:41in a meaningful way. Do you go out,
- 20:45like, I don't know what your access would be like to teams and
- 20:49speak to them about, hey, this is what we do. And if you were
- 20:53to use this as a resource, how do they find out about what you guys
- 20:56do? Yeah, that's a good question. So we,
- 21:00during the fall, actually now we have what
- 21:04we call team meetings. And, uh, some of our player
- 21:07leadership goes— staff player leadership goes out and they'll have a meeting
- 21:11at each of the 32 teams. And, uh, that does— I mean,
- 21:15there's a lot of stuff to talk about, but that is something that, that's mentioned.
- 21:19Um, and it's more so like, if, if you have more questions,
- 21:23here's somebody you can reach out to, Brandon or another staff member.
- 21:27Uh, we have a monthly player newsletter that goes out that mentions some
- 21:30of the Community MVP and other initiatives that we
- 21:35do. But I think the offseason is when we really can really engage
- 21:39with the players because during the season, you know, they're locked in.
- 21:42That's their main jobs. But, you know, whether it's Super
- 21:46Bowl or like the community event at the school that I talked about,
- 21:50like that's when you really get the face-to-face time and the
- 21:54nonprofit work that they want to do is really top of mind. So That's
- 21:58when we can tell them about Community MVP, tell them about, you know, what are
- 22:02you thinking, so how can we run parallel to what you're doing.
- 22:06And but the agents and the marketing reps that they work with are very
- 22:10helpful in being vehicles to get the word out because, you know, there's a lot
- 22:14of messages and things going players' way that they're trying to
- 22:17juggle. So working closely with the agents and the marketing reps and the
- 22:21teams has been helpful too in getting the word out. Yeah, it's being
- 22:25a professional athlete isn't, isn't a 9-to-5 job, I don't think.
- 22:29No, not at all. Um, is that—
- 22:33so you mentioned Anquan Boldin as far as is helping.
- 22:36Is there any other ones that come to mind? There's other resources?
- 22:41Um, yeah, so there's, there's a, a group called
- 22:44Stand Together, um, and they've, they've got—
- 22:48they've gained a lot of steam and impact recently,
- 22:52and they've got a few former players on
- 22:55staff, and then they've kind of built what they call this community locker
- 23:00room where, you know, they want to connect
- 23:04guys that are doing the work. So to your point, like you're
- 23:07saying, a lot of the great ideas and the true impact comes
- 23:11when guys can collaborate together and say like, oh yeah,
- 23:14I'm already doing this thing. That's helping people that are
- 23:18food insecure, and you're doing it over here. Like, how can we come together and,
- 23:22uh, and make it great? Um, the Players Coalition,
- 23:26they, they do a lot of great work, uh, as well in the community.
- 23:30And I, I think the biggest thing where they are an assistance to the players
- 23:34is that, you know, I always say coming into the league,
- 23:37players want to do 3 things. They want to play well on the field,
- 23:41they want to make money, And they want to give back in some way.
- 23:46And we do our— try to do our part in supporting players in
- 23:50those 3 phases, whether it be as a union, making sure their working conditions,
- 23:54health and safety are optimal so that they can perform on the field.
- 23:58Players Inc., which I mentioned earlier, that's our business
- 24:01and marketing licensing arm to help them maximize that
- 24:05earning power during the NFL window. And then the community side,
- 24:09But I think a lot of guys automatically think like, oh, I'm just going to
- 24:12start a foundation, not understanding that that's a
- 24:15big undertaking. Um, and you need a lot
- 24:19of people involved and it can't always be your family members running that,
- 24:23that sort of thing. So I think those organizations help them like
- 24:27really sit down and say, okay, tell us what you really want to do and
- 24:30we can help you find that avenue. And maybe it is a foundation,
- 24:33but maybe it's you know, leaning into this initiative
- 24:37that's already happening or partnering with this player. So I think they can
- 24:41really get the player grounded in what they want to do, and then the
- 24:46ball gets rolling from there. So that's why we're happy to send them that
- 24:49way to, to help, to help them get to where they want to go.
- 24:53Yeah, I know a lot of like players get involved with the,
- 24:56the team's foundation and do events with them and stuff like that. So that's
- 25:00That's really cool to see, um, when they do that. And,
- 25:04and it's, it's just, I love just hearing the stories about,
- 25:08look, dogs or kids or stuff like that,
- 25:12that the people that sometimes need help that can't help themselves. And it's, it's just
- 25:16great that, that players can use their platform to be able to do that.
- 25:20Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's because like you said,
- 25:23being a football player is not your normal 9 to 5. And I think
- 25:27the perception— and, you know, I get it— that some people have
- 25:31is like, a lot of these guys are making millions of dollars, so why can't
- 25:36they just easily donate to these things or write a check?
- 25:40And, you know, that's, that's true to an extent,
- 25:44um, but I'd say the average player, NFL player, is not
- 25:47making what you see like some of these quarterbacks
- 25:51making on, on a $50 million a year basis.
- 25:55So there's that. So the average player wants to give back, but they have to
- 25:58also be wise in picking those spots in those moments,
- 26:03uh, to do so. But again, understanding their platform influence, and sometimes
- 26:07it's just showing up and being there, doesn't always have to be a donation.
- 26:11Um, but for those guys that are making a lot of the money, I think
- 26:15that goes back to what we're saying. People don't realize all the things that they
- 26:19do. It just it just goes under the radar and it's not reported,
- 26:22which, which is fine for the player because they want to do it to help
- 26:26people. Um, but it's a big investment in terms of time,
- 26:30money, um, just, just making sure they, they do
- 26:33it right. And, and knowing that, again, football takes up so much of their
- 26:37time during the season and even offseason where you're, you're getting
- 26:41asked to train and come back to the facility. So when you
- 26:44do see guys investing that time, I think it's, it's that much more meaningful
- 26:48because they're really putting their all into, uh, into doing
- 26:52it. Have you seen, um,
- 26:55uh, increase in community involvement in players over the years, or is
- 26:59it— has it been a thing for a long, long time? Uh,
- 27:03I, I'd say it's been a thing. It's just now that, you know, there's social
- 27:07media and so many different ways to report what's, what's going
- 27:11on, or for people to capture it from a content standpoint, that it seems
- 27:14like it's happening more. Um, but I do think
- 27:19there's more ways that players can get creative in how they're going about
- 27:23giving back. So, um, obviously the,
- 27:26the money that's, uh, within the NFL and football
- 27:30and that players are getting paid is a lot more than what it was in
- 27:34the '80s and the '70s. So I think, you know, from,
- 27:37from that standpoint, you are going to see more because guys have more resources
- 27:41to to, to donate, but I think the heart is still the same and,
- 27:45and the desire is still there. So I think, um,
- 27:48it's a natural progression, which is a good thing, but I don't think it's any
- 27:52different in terms of players and their willingness and want to,
- 27:55to give back over the years. Yeah, well, thanks Brandon for coming
- 27:59out and joining us today. And, um, anything I could do
- 28:02in the future, definitely reach out and I'll help in any way I can.
- 28:06Appreciate it, Brian. Keep doing what you're doing, man. This platform is great to bring
- 28:09attention to the good work that is that's being done out there.
- 28:14And that concludes our episode. So tune in next time, we'll bring you
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