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I Smell Pop Culture: Glitter · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again. Oh, I guess you. I
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  Speaker 1: Smell pop culture with Eastern Allen and I heart Radio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Easton Allen. I Smell pop Culture one
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  Speaker 1: eleven productions. I Hurt Radio, I heart Media, I hurt Podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: We're back. We're smelling pop culture. We're taking a big
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  Speaker 1: deep breath, and we're smelling another reference. We're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: to go so deep into a pop culture reference this week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really excited about it. So, you know, this one
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  Speaker 1: has to deal with what is considered one of the
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  Speaker 1: worst movies of old time, and I found that with
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  Speaker 1: these types of movies, they're often not that bad. Like
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  Speaker 1: there's a quote that says, the opposite of love is indifference.
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  Speaker 1: It's not hate. If you hate something, then that means
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  Speaker 1: you're giving it energy, you're giving it emotion, you are
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  Speaker 1: remembering it. That's the most important part here. I think
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  Speaker 1: truly the worst movies of all time are the ones
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  Speaker 1: that just come and go, don't elicit any reaction in you,
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  Speaker 1: that don't have any staying power. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: to the person who wrote a movie that's on this list,
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  Speaker 1: a movie that gets, in my opinion, an undeserved amount
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  Speaker 1: of hate for the last twenty years. And it has
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  Speaker 1: a connection to Gilmore Girls. I know that we're playing
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  Speaker 1: fast and loose with what connects to the show, but
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  Speaker 1: this does connect to Gilmore Girls, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: go deep into the world of glitter right after these words.
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  Speaker 1: every time I hear those commercials, I am just overcome
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  Speaker 1: with the desire to purchase, to spend money, to use
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  Speaker 1: is Easton Allen. We're here on I am all in.
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  Speaker 1: I smell pop culture.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the sound guy here. I always like we've been
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  Speaker 1: doing the show for a few years now, and I
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  Speaker 1: always make sure the Scott's microphone works, that it sounds good,
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  Speaker 1: that his computer works. I do all that stuff. I'm
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  Speaker 1: now in front of the microphone and I'm so grateful
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  Speaker 1: to be doing that, and I'm grateful for you guys
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  Speaker 1: to be in here with me. It's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: I need friends. I desperately need friends, and you guys
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  Speaker 1: are my friends. Will you come to my birthday party? Please?
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  Speaker 1: What we're doing today we're really excited about this is
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  Speaker 1: I smell pop culture and we're going to dive deep
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  Speaker 1: into a reference from season two. So let's take it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back to season two here. This is season two,
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  Speaker 1: episode eight. The episode is the ins and Outs of Inns.
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  Speaker 1: Lorlai and Suki are trying to start their own in
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  Speaker 1: but Lourai realizes that she has to tell me that
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  Speaker 1: she's leaving her job to start her own to take
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  Speaker 1: she wants to take over the Dragonfly. In this episode,
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  Speaker 1: there's a part where she has to convince Fran to
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  Speaker 1: sell her the Dragonfly. There's a lot of moments like that.
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  Speaker 1: But while this is happening, Jess has been pulling some
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  Speaker 1: pranks around town. In this episode, he draws a chalk
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  Speaker 1: outline of a dead body in front of Docy's market,
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  Speaker 1: and since Luke won't do anything about this, they hold
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  Speaker 1: a town meeting to discuss Jess's crimes against the people
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  Speaker 1: of stars Hollow, and they're kind of going around the
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  Speaker 1: room and listing their grievances, like one person says he
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  Speaker 1: stole a nome from Babbette's garden. He set off the
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  Speaker 1: fire alarms at school and then Lorelai chimes in and says,
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  Speaker 1: I heard he controls the weather and wrote the screenplay
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  Speaker 1: to Glitter. The worst crime you could possibly commit is
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  Speaker 1: writing the screenplay to Glitter at this point in time.
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  Speaker 1: This puts a time stamp of when this was written. Glitter,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not familiar, is a movie starring Mariah Carey.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's kind of like a star
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  Speaker 1: is born. It's it's about Uh, it's a fiction. It's
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  Speaker 1: not about her life. It's a fictional story, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: inspired by a lot of her life. But Mariah Carey
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  Speaker 1: plays a character named Billy who gets separated from her
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  Speaker 1: mother at a young age. And then she discovers that
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  Speaker 1: she has a very powerful voice. And she hooks up
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  Speaker 1: with a DJ named Dice and they create a hit
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  Speaker 1: song and it kind of she kind of becomes the
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  Speaker 1: biggest star in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But there are some challenges along the way. There are
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  Speaker 1: some relationships that go awry. I have watched this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I have watched Glitter. And if you want to watch Glitter, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's on YouTube ad free. You cannot stream this anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: You can't rent it on Apple TV, you can't the
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  Speaker 1: DVD isn't available. You you got to watch this on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: There are again, there are no ads. Uh So I say,
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  Speaker 1: have yourself a good night and fire up Glitter. It's
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  Speaker 1: really interesting. I was always aware of Glitter. Obviously when
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  Speaker 1: it came out, it was just the butt of the joke.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: The joke was that no one was watching it. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason no one was watching it is because this
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  Speaker 1: movie came out on September fourteenth, two thousand and one,
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  Speaker 1: and if you can remember back to two thousand September
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, something was happening in the country.
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  Speaker 1: There's a thing called nine to eleven that kind of
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  Speaker 1: changed the entire world, and people weren't really going to
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  Speaker 1: the movie theater, especially that week. So I think that
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  Speaker 1: had a lot to do with how this movie was received.
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  Speaker 1: I think if it had come out six months earlier,
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  Speaker 1: it would have been much It would have been held
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  Speaker 1: in a much higher regard. But Lorelei says Jess wrote
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  Speaker 1: the screenplay to Glitter. He didn't. He did not. He
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  Speaker 1: is a fictional character. He doesn't exist. If you go
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  Speaker 1: on the if you go on the Wikipedia for Glitter,
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  Speaker 1: it does say Jess. Mariano is the writer of Glitter.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonn to fix that. But the actual
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  Speaker 1: writer is a woman named Kate Lanier, and she is incredible.
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  Speaker 1: She has a huge resume. I mean, listen to these movies.
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  Speaker 1: She's written What's Love Got to Do with It? That's
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  Speaker 1: the Teama Turner story. Set it off with Queen Latifa,
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  Speaker 1: I mean set it off. That is an iconic, historic movie.
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  Speaker 1: She wrote Beauty Shop, another Queen Latifa joint, The Mod Squad,
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  Speaker 1: and of course Glitter. In two thousand and one. She
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  Speaker 1: wrote Glitter with Mariah Carey. I think that is incredible
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  Speaker 1: to collaborate with a star of that power on her
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  Speaker 1: first movie. So we're going to talk to Kate Lanier today.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get the whole story behind Glitter. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to find out how it feels to be to
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  Speaker 1: contribute to popular culture, to be I'm going to break
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  Speaker 1: the news to her that unfortunately Jess actually wrote this movie.
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  Speaker 1: She did not write it. We're going to get into
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  Speaker 1: all that. I see Kate in the waiting room right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to open the door here and let her in.
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  Speaker 1: Kaitlinear thanks to doing this. We're so excited.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm excited to.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to start at the beginning. You've written
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  Speaker 1: so many incredible movies. Your resume is just so impressive. Well,
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  Speaker 1: how did you first discover that you loved screenwriting? Like,
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  Speaker 1: how did you discover that passion?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I actually started as an actor. So I was
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  Speaker 2: in you know, a kid. I grew up in Harlem
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  Speaker 2: and you know, just because there was nothing, like, we
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  Speaker 2: just played on the street. So when I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I know, eleven twelve, my mom put me and my
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  Speaker 2: brother into different like free acting workshop things around town.
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  Speaker 2: So we ended up being in you know, The Sound
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  Speaker 2: of Music and all these like off off Broadway theater
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  Speaker 2: productions and then by so I did that kind of
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  Speaker 2: through high school and then I started doing some indie
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  Speaker 2: movies for like NYU has this great film program Tish School. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so I somehow hooked up with these guys who
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  Speaker 2: were making shorts you know, for their for their you know, thesises,
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  Speaker 2: and I ended up being in this movie that Alan Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: who's now a big director.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sopranos, stuff like that, right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: This was his first movie. It was called That Burning Question,
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  Speaker 2: and it was me and John like Guizamo and Andrew
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  Speaker 2: this other actor and it was like a thirty minute
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  Speaker 2: black and white but very clever, very smart, well written piece.
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  Speaker 2: Alan wrote and directed it, and that blew up. It
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  Speaker 2: was in the you know, New York Film Festival at
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  Speaker 2: one a Nissan Focus Award, and he had that kind
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  Speaker 2: of big picture experience at being flown out to LA
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  Speaker 2: and meeting you know, David Geffen and Spielberg and agents
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  Speaker 2: and whatever. Meanwhile, I had been writing some plays and screenplays,
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  Speaker 2: but just like privately, you know, like I just you know,
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  Speaker 2: just I had ideas because I'd been acting, and Alan
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  Speaker 2: very generously passed on a script that I'd written to
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  Speaker 2: this agent at Triad that he was meeting with, Rondi Gomez,
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  Speaker 2: and so she ended up calling me and saying, I
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  Speaker 2: love this. We can sell it. You know, here, make
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  Speaker 2: some changes and we can you know, we can sell it.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't initially really go into screenwriting as like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is gonna be my career. I really thought it
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be an actor, and then I just got diverted
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  Speaker 2: into writing, which now I'm actually really glad that I did.
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  Speaker 1: You have such a talent for it, but one of
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  Speaker 1: your first like big movies. Is what's love got to
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  Speaker 1: do with it? Tina Turner story? And you got to
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  Speaker 1: act in that one too, Yes, yes, I.
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  Speaker 2: Had a little small part.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What was the experience like of writing that script? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you take this like iconic person and you have
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  Speaker 1: to condense their life down into a movie? You know,
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  Speaker 1: how does that work?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? It was, Well, she had written a book it Tina, right,
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  Speaker 2: and but it was really dense, and I had to
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  Speaker 2: find sort of the emotional through line of what her
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  Speaker 2: story was, right, like going from this talented little girl
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  Speaker 2: to you know, her success, and then how she was
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  Speaker 2: going to essentially reinvent herself get away from I like
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  Speaker 2: I could. I just sort of could see the pieces
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  Speaker 2: of the arc of it. And so just picking out
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  Speaker 2: those those pieces and stringing them together right was was key.
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  Speaker 2: It was like being selective. But then also I did
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  Speaker 2: speak to her a few times and she I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know, I probably still have these in a box somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: She made type recordings where she would talk about her life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was like, well, when Tina was a little good
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  Speaker 2: and she talked about herself as a third person. Right,
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  Speaker 2: when Tina was a little girl, she loved to have
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  Speaker 2: a tall glass of milk after she came back from working,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and she she would like give, you know,
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  Speaker 2: talk about these little moments in her life. And yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how lucky to be able to hear her
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  Speaker 1: talk about her in her own words and you can
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  Speaker 1: like learn her voice and like one incredible resource to
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  Speaker 1: have for working on that script.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you were on the set when they were
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  Speaker 1: filming that, right, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, my, it was like my
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'd sold a couple of scripts prior to that,
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  Speaker 2: and but it was really my first experience of having
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  Speaker 2: a movie made that had like a sizeable budget. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They were you know, the producers and the director. They
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  Speaker 2: were all like, come on, be on the set and
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  Speaker 2: if we need some rewriting, you're there. And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is what it's like, you know, be a screenwriter.
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  Speaker 2: And of course that is no, it's like you know,
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  Speaker 2: in general, you know, directors and producers are like, see
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  Speaker 2: thanks for the script. Yeah yeah, later, you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to do what we want with it. So it
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  Speaker 2: was an amazing experience with the the two producers, Doug
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  Speaker 2: Chapin and Barry Cross were phenomenal and so smart, and
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  Speaker 2: I ended up from that movie Doug became my manager
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  Speaker 2: awesome for thirty years. Wow, were just retired, and he
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  Speaker 2: is like a freak literary genius. You know, he could
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  Speaker 2: like read something and figure out exactly you know, what
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  Speaker 2: wasn't working, what was working, and yeah, amazing. But I
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  Speaker 2: met him on the set you know, of What's Love.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, did you, uh, what kind of
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  Speaker 1: training did you go through to write these feature film scripts?
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  Speaker 1: Was it just like from being an actor or.
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  Speaker 2: H Yeah, I mean, I, like I said, I had
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  Speaker 2: written stuff on my own. I was an English major,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I did go I got a skullarp to
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  Speaker 2: college and I wrote you know, pros like fiction like
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  Speaker 2: short stories, right, But I hadn't. I think it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those things that you you you just get an
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  Speaker 2: instinct for. And I don't think I'm any more talented
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  Speaker 2: than the next screenwriter. I just kind of got lucky
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  Speaker 2: and who I met, you know, and how like where
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  Speaker 2: I was sort of placed in the right time, the
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  Speaker 2: right place. But I think also being an actor, you
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  Speaker 2: get a feel and I feel for like what works
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  Speaker 2: in terms of dialogue and character. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: really helps, you know.
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  Speaker 1: You know, whenever people say like, oh I was lucky,
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  Speaker 1: I was in the right place. There's a quote that
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  Speaker 1: I love. That's luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: someone else could have been that exact same position and
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  Speaker 1: not done what you were able to do because you
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  Speaker 1: were prepared and you had all these experiences. Uh so
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  Speaker 1: let's you're just lucky, Kate. You you were you know,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, you do. What's love got to do
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  Speaker 1: with it is Angela Bassett's is a huge movie, and
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  Speaker 1: then what do you go straight from there? To set
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  Speaker 1: it off? Is that the next no I wrote, like.
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  Speaker 2: I think three movies at Disney, at Touchstone at that point,
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  Speaker 2: and then I got then I wrote set it off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so that I got that stat script was originally like
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  Speaker 2: a rewrite project, and the original script was not for women.
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  Speaker 2: It was completely different characters, but the general sense of
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  Speaker 2: it was, you know, bank robbers who are in a
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  Speaker 2: desperate situation in the hood, go rob banks, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But the characters were like, you know, klios, like very
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  Speaker 2: much based on my sister Sheiba, right, who's like all
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  Speaker 2: boy and completely you know But anyways, the once we
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  Speaker 2: knew that Jada and Dana Queen Letsifa had had like
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  Speaker 2: joined you know, sign on, then it was easier to
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  Speaker 2: kind of figure out who the characters were going to be.
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  Speaker 2: And Yeah, that was great.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been so curious, like how you you know,
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  Speaker 1: because I know a lot of screenplays come together before
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  Speaker 1: there's an actor attached to it or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: But in this situation, you're able to kind of tailor
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  Speaker 1: it knowing who was going to be bringing this character
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  Speaker 1: to life.
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  Speaker 2: That's so cool, exactly exactly. I've had both experiences, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've had the experience where you know, there's an executive
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  Speaker 2: at a studio who says, hey, we want a comedy
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  Speaker 2: for you know, X, y Z, Like can you come
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  Speaker 2: up with something for her or him? So you get
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  Speaker 2: sort of parames to work through, which in a way
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  Speaker 2: makes it easier. You know, you have like a sense
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  Speaker 2: of like, oh, I know what that actor can do, right,
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  Speaker 2: I know the kind of character they can do, so
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  Speaker 2: I know how to write this. Yeah. And then other
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  Speaker 2: times you write a script and you know you have
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  Speaker 2: no idea who they're going to cast. Yeah, No, it's
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  Speaker 2: completely different. Every project is different that way, you know. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the point you come into Set it Off,
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  Speaker 1: you said you were brought in for a rewrite. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how did it feel to watch? Like, because you get
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  Speaker 1: you brought in, you put your spin on it. You
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  Speaker 1: kind of add, in my opinion, you add the elements
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  Speaker 1: that make it the movie that it is. It's a
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  Speaker 1: beloved movie at this Like, uh, so I loved Set
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  Speaker 1: it Off, like all my friends like still we talk
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  Speaker 1: about it all the time. So how did it feel
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  Speaker 1: watching it come to get like come to life and
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  Speaker 1: then watching it release in theaters? I'm so interested in
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  Speaker 1: that part of the process too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was amazing, Like, uh, you know, yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was incredible. Part of I remember when they were shooting
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  Speaker 2: the rooftop scene. I don't know if you remember, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, four the girls were like on the rooftop
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  Speaker 2: and I had worked on that dialog, like had changed
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  Speaker 2: it like maybe five or six times, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: I wanted it to feel like natural but also reflective
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  Speaker 2: of who each of the characters were. But I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want it it didn't. I didn't want it to feel
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  Speaker 2: kind of stagy and like this is what I feel,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I you know, so I worked on
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  Speaker 2: that a lot and then that was I remember when
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  Speaker 2: I saw like The Daily's and the final foot I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh that works, you know that it really works.
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  Speaker 2: And also, you know, the actors were all incredible. You know,
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  Speaker 2: every single one of those women was phenomenal. So if
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  Speaker 2: you had lesser, you know, lesser talented actors, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have been the same same movie.
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  Speaker 1: You know, had you had you wanted to write like
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  Speaker 1: an action kind of movie like that before or was
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  Speaker 1: it oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh totally like I had wanted to do. It's weird
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  Speaker 2: because there is like kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of a a little bit of a sexist thing in
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  Speaker 3: Hollywood about like, you know, the people have broken through,
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  Speaker 3: definitely women who have broken through and directed.
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  Speaker 2: Action, but not very many. For of all, not many
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  Speaker 2: directors are women because the culture is, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're the director, you're the boss. You got to make
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  Speaker 2: all the hard calls, and like a woman can't really
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: do that, right, So the percentage of directors who are
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: women is this small, and the percentage of women who
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: are doing action stuff, you know, for the same reason
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: like oh can't make that call, can't do that, you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: thing I've always loved, like, you know, the ship I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: like to watch is like violent serial killers on a rampage,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: you know action. So yeah, I've always wanted to do that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Is there is there a style or like a genre
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: of movie that you've always wanted to do and you
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: haven't yet.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Hmm. That's funny because I've almost done like every single
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: genre except for like a superhero oh wow kind of film,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Like I haven't done that, and I'm that I have
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of curious curiosity about how you develop, like
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: some of the good ones, right, like spider Man, right
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: that the Toby McGuire one like is my favorite, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the evolution of who he starts out as and then
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: becomes like, to me, that's such a great character arc.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And you know there's something that's such a metaphor, right,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Like superheroes are just like pure symbol, but you're gonna
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: have so much fun with what they can do, right
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: because it's so unreal.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no rules.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never done that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to see the Kittlinear created superhero.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: That's that's gonna show it exactly. We have so much
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: more to get into with the great Kitlinear. Thank you
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: so much for for sticking around. We're gonna take a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: really quick break and we'll be back after these words.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Kaitlinear is with us, the U screenwriter behind so many
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: great movies. Set it off. We're just talking about what's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: love got to do with it? But now there's a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: big part of your resume that we have to talk
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: about today. That's a movie called Glitter from Chasen to One. Yes,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I watched Glitter for the first time recently, and I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: was I loved it. I thought it was great. I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: thought it was great because it has a reputation. Yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So I went in, like a lot of the movies
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that people say are like, you know, the worst movies
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: of all time or whatever, I feel like they're not.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Actually they're never that bad, Like like the worst movies
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: are truly forgettable, you know, like you don't think about them.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And so I went into I was like, Okay, let's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: let's just see what this is. And I was actually
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: had a great time during it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me tell you the backstory please, Yes,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Because all right, I was initially approached, you know, to
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: write something for Mariah, not a biopic. She had an
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: idea for a real story right about a character that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: was not her. And she was working and had been
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: working for years with this acting coach, Sheila Gray. And
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Sheila is like a famous, famous acting coach. She's coached
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: de Niro, you know, I mean, if you go to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: her website, right, you'll see her client list is unreal. Right.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: She was working with Mariah and they they were just
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you know, really getting into the craft of acting. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Maria had wanted to act from the beginning. So I
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: met with Mariah and Sheila and the three of us
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: sort of hit it off, and we had she Ryan
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: had this idea of doing a real alan On story
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: like a Star is Born, where like, you know, there's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a couple and the guy's so heavy into drugs that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: everything turns to shit and she tries to save him
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and gets dragged down but then eventually has to walk away.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: But the way that we had conceived of it and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: pictured it and all the notes you know, I'd written,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and we were really dark, really gritty. I spent two
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: years with her, Like I was traveling with Mariah, like wow,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: oh yeah. We would come up with scenes and she
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: would act them out. Here's the thing about Mariah that
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: people always underestimate her. They think she's this character that
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: she presents as like the diva, right, but she is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: one of the smartest, most creative people I've ever met.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Like she's sharp and has brilliant ideas. Like she's completely different,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you know, one on one, like she is really really
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on the ball and super smart, super creative, willing to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: do anything. You know. We would go like we were
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: staying in some house, you know, a friend of hers
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: house in Acapulco, coming up with these scenes for the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: movie Wow, which at the time was gonna be called
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: like not everything that glitters is gold, right, working on
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: this stuff, She's improving, crying sobbing, like we're doing all
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And what happened was, you know, we we
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: finished the script after two years, and Sony, the studio
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that I wrote it for, suddenly whatever they realized Mariah's
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: audience is like fourteen year old girls, Oh so we
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: have to make this PEG thirteen and they essentially cut
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: everything out of the script. So it became like like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: when I finally saw it, I went and I saw
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it with Sheila in a movie theater and we both
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: left like crying because we were like, this has nothing
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to do with what we originally had conceived of. Right.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Not only that they released it like two days after
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: nine to eleven, it is.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It September fourteenth, I think it came out.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's like everyone was watching The Towers fall on TV.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: No one was going to see a movie. But anyway,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So that's really the backstory, is that it was really
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: compromised from what it was supposed to be.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I wish we could have seen that original version,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. Yeah, I would. I mean, I'd love
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to read that script too, But I wish like that
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: had been made because I I hear you talking about
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: what went into and you can see kind of echo
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of that in the movie. Yeah, And that would have
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: been such a more compelling story, I think, especially for
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Mariah to be.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Totally totally and and and it would it would have
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: been more, you know, distinct from her sort of singer persona. Right.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: She really wanted to do a character who goes through
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like something traumatic, right, Yes, and all that was cut out. So,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I mean it's just what happens in Hollywood. You know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you have like people. It's that marriage of creativity and business. Yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: there's always one, right, because the business side is like, hey,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: we need to sell this to thirteen year olds fourteen
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: year olds.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, was it always going to be set in
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the eighties? Was that always part of the idea? Or Okay,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I love that. I thought that was such a cool detail.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the music's so fun too.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: You know, only I worked in. One of the reasons
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: is that we like I was a bar tender in
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: nightclubs in the eighties in New York. Wow, like this
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: club area, Madame Roses, the Palladium, like I bartended all
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: all these different clubs, right, And it was such New
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: York at the time was such a different scene because
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you could be like or dirt poor and have like
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: an apartment on the Lower East Side and be an
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: artist and be creative and you know, you didn't have
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to have a lot of money. So these clubs were like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you know, people like Zo Michel Bascot and Andy Warhol
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and mixing with like Fab five Freddy and you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: it was like this great mix of people who were
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: all doing something interesting and creative but not necessarily like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: super successful yet you know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you read do a lot of guys like
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Die the DJ?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly totally.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Okay. So my favorite line from the movie is when
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: they're they're making the music video and the director walks
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: over while they're on the setter's confetti raining down and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: he says, the glitter can't overpower the artists. And I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: still have been cheered during that par I thought that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: was a great line. Yes, was that. I don't know
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: if you remember or not, but like, was that that part?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Was that anything? Was that? Did it come from you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: or was that a Mariah idea or Yeah?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I I remember correctly, I had. We did like different
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: versions of it. There were like three or four takes, yeah,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: where the actor tried different things, you know what I mean,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Like I had some lines written and then he also
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: improv some it. So I can't remember like which of
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the takes was whose, But yeah, it was a general
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: sense of that, you know, pompous whatever kind of director.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how did it feel? The movie comes out? You know, again,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like we're setting the context here. It's September. The soundtrack
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: came out on nine to eleven. The movie came out
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: on that Friday, and eleven was on Tuesday. It comes
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: out on Friday. There's this there's a scene, there's a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: picture that goes around of like a glitter billboard with
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the twin towers like coming down in the background. It's
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: this really powerful image. I mean, you're you're thinking, like, Okay,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: no one's going to go to the movie theater, Like,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: no one's going to go see this. The country is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: in such a weird place right now. But then it
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: also gets this like it gets a terrible response from
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the public, like Saturday Night Lives making fun of every
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It becomes the butt of a joke. How did that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: feel as a you know, as the creative force behind it?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: How did how did how did you deal with that?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I would have been I would have called new hole
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and never wanted to come out. How did you deal
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: with that? At the time?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: What was it? You know? Because I at that point
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: written enough movies that I'd gotten enough of a thick
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: skin and the ability to detach, right because a very
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: specific part to blaye in the making of a movie,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and then the rest of it is out of my control,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: so you have to let go of it, you know.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And so I at that point I was used to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like having the leg even if I put my heart
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and soul into a script, I had no idea what
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: would happen once I turned it over, right, So I
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: kind of was used to that, but I will say
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: it was devastating because it was something that I really thought.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I really thought Mariah deserved to show her skill and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: her talent and her ability and also her creativity and
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: smarts all of that, Like she really deserved that because
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: she worked so hard. And so that was devastating. Like
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I said, I went, Sheila, and I went, you know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: into a movie theater, thinking like, okay, let's just see
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: it like very neutral, not a big red carpet screening.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Let's walk into a movie theater and watch it with
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: other people. We walk into this movie theater and it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: wrecking empty because it's after nine eleve right, like no one,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: no one's going out to see movies. So we're in
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: this movie theater, there's like two other people there, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and we're watching it and we both like looked at
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: each other and started crying, just crying, crying, like and
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: it wasn't about like the reviews or the reputation or anything.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: It was the loss of something that could have been great,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you know. And so that was really that felt really
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: sad and really tragic.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, Marie could have she could have had
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: a like she's a great I thought she was a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: great perform in the movie, and she could have had
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: like a Lady Gaga, you know style, like career. I
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: think totally. Obviously, Marie Carey is doing just fine, obviously,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: but Joe recovery, She'll get back on her feet. But
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: how much I want to know how much of your
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: life went into that script, like other story?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: A lot? Yeah, yeah, a lot. I mean, just because
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: you know, I had been like a crazy club you
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: know kid. I mean I started like going out to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: clubs when I was like fourteen fifteen downtown. I started
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: bartending when I was seventeen. I mean the drinking gage
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: at the time was eighteen. So it was a huge leap,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: right to say, like, oh, I'm eighteen. No one was
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: looking at anyone's ID at that point. But looking back,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: when I look at pictures of myself at seventeen, I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: look like I'm twelve. You know, how anyone could have
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: put me behind the bar, I don't know, But yeah,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: definitely was a lot of There's a lot of sort
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: of life experience in that in that era.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Uh So there's a There's a social media site that
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I go to called Letterbox where people like rate movies. Okayeah, yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you're probably familiar Letterbox. I went on there to uh
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to log my review of Glitter, and I saw so
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: many good reviews on there from people that are watching
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: it now and people that are going back and be like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: hey what is Glitter? Let's go watch it? And you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: go like, hey, this is actually this is a fine movie.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like terrible.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Do you have how often do you like talk to
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Do you ever talk to people that are like that,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: really like realize that you wrote Glitter and have something
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: good to say about it or curious about it. Do
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you hear people come up? Yeah?
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Totally. There was the review of Glitter in the New
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: York Times that came out like if you I don't know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: if you can google it or whatever, it's actually pretty good. Yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And I can't remember who wrote it, but there was
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: a there was a point that I met him, whoever
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that reviewer was, I mean it was this is again
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: we're talking twenty years ago, and he was like, you
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: know what, that was not a terrible movie like it
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: has really been, you know, underrated, like it was not bad.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you so much for your time.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Today.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: We have again, we have more to get into. We
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: got to take a really quick break here. We're going
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to talk about Gilmore Girls. When we get back. It's Kaitlinear.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: This is I am all in. I Smell pop Culture.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: We'll be back after these words. Kaitlinear hanging out with
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: us on I Smell pop Culture this week. So in
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: season two of Gilmore Girls, they they mentioned Glitter, Laura,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I mean character they're talking about Jess who is it,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: who is one of Rory's boyfriends at a certain point,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and he'd been pulling a lot of pranks around town.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: There's a part where there's like a town meeting and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: everybody's going around listing all the crimes he's committed. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Laura Lai says, I heard he controls the weather and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: he wrote the screenplay to Glitter. And as we record this,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: if you go to the Wikipedia page for Glitter, it
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: says the writer is Jess Mariano, who is the character
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: from Kilmore Girls. And I thought it was so it's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: such a It makes so much sense to take an
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: accomplishment from a woman and then give the credit to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a fictional. Man, I think that, right, that is hysterical.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to change it when we're done here so
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: that it's accurate. But I did think that was a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: funny thing to notice, how I mean, like especially you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: after it came out, but like even still today, like
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: glitter pops out, like you'll hear people reference it and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: in TV shows and movies and stuff like that. How
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: does that feel to like have contributed to pop culture
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in such a significant way.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't really know, because there's also
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: like this, you know, there's like also a group of
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like rabid glitter fans. Like there was someone showed me
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: a website that was like, you know, it was a
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Mariah website and all these girls were like I love glitter,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I love gletter And I was like really, yeah, it
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: was really surprising. You know that people you know have
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: very very mixed feelings, right, so it's waited then the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: people who love it. So yeah, it's it's a weird
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: experience definitely, And also to have it it was it
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: was such a quick sort of mention on Gilmore girls,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: but they're so snappy. Yeah, you sometimes missed stuff, and
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh wait, oh wait, Yeah.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: That was been exciting to hear.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: So, you know, Gilmore Girls, we always talk on this.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: This is the Gilmore Girl's podcast obviously, and we talk
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a lot about you know that that show is about
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: relationships between mothers and daughters. And I know your mother was.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: She was creative, she was a painter, she was an activist.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Were you guys close growing up?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean she was a Holocaust survivor,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: so she was deeply troubled a lot of the time,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: you know, as people who've been through trauma, serious trauma are,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: but she always she focused that on into her art. Right.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: So as like my dad was writer, mom was a painter.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Like not, they didn't make any money, you know, we
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: were on like food stamps. But I did get like,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you know, you can channel your feelings, you can channel
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: your thoughts, your experience into art, right. So that was
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: like a great, you know, great lesson that I got
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: from her. And yeah, we were super close. She died
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, I believe at ninety two. Wow, And yeah,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: she was pretty amazing person.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: There's there's this there's a moment in Glitter that that
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: got me in my heart where Billy played by Maria
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: was talking about performing on TV and saying like, I,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I hope my mom sees this and realizes that we've
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: made it, because my mom will always be a part
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: of me, right, and that that always, I mean, that
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: stuck with me when I when I watched it. But
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: is do you feel like connection you feel like connections
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: with your own mother? Was that? Did that? Did you
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: bring that relationship into that scene or.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. But also it was part of
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: really understanding the psychology of people who get in that
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: kind of elan on situation right where you are trying
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: to rescue someone, okay, and a lot of times those
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  Speaker 2: are women or men who have been abandoned by their
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: own parent right and feel or that parent was you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: not present mentally, emotionally, and so they feel like they
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: need to rescue, right, And so that dynamic was what
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: we were trying to go for in terms of abilities
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: like backstory and so yeah, you know, I definitely related
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to that and have felt that and a lot of
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: people I've known, you know.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate your vulnerability for sharing that. That's uh,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: it's incredible stuff. Before we wrap things up here, so
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: you say you're a Girlmore Girls fan, Yeah, would you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: what would you order Luke's diner? What if you got
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to go there? What would you order from him?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Oh? My god, Like, I don't know, pancakes or something,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: you know, some breakfast, Like there's always some great like breakfast,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: you know, a thing on the menu. I mean what
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I loved and what I appreciate about Gilmore Girls. I mean, now,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: since it's come out, there have been other shows that
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: have done this, but Gilmore Girls really was the first
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: show where women were not primit merrily there s sex objects, right,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: they were not just someone's girlfriend, someone's wife right on
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: someone's they said, smart, witty, you know. Although it was
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: you know, it was a little elevated for reality.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: But.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You had the sense of like, oh, these are intelligent
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: human beings. They are not just you know, the other half, right,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Like there was something about that that was really surprising
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and new and hadn't been done really on TV, you know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and that's what hooked me. I was like, oh, okay, oh,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it's not only about who she's going to fall in
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: love with. I mean, yes, there were moments, whether there
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: was a boyfriend or this, but that was not what
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: it was about, you know, about their humanity and there
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: and they're smarts and their intelligence and their relationship and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: so that was I thought something that was really new.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: You know, like most think about shows TV shows prior
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: to that, like women's roles were really like either sexualized
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: or minimal. You know, they were not driving characters for
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the action or the arc of the show, right, they
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: were like part of some set piece of looking good.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: You know, not that of course, Gilmore. You know, both
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the women, both Rory and Laura, are beautiful, but that
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: is not what they're about. You know, that's not what's
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: going for them. That's not what the show's about. You know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, we love the show for the same reasons.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And you know, you think about like the Bechdel Test,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and if for anyone ure's here's a white man explained
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to you what the Bechdel test is going to be.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: That's perfect.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: If you don't know what the Bechdeal test is, it's
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a very simple test. You can put
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: anything through that will tell you if it's and it's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: surprising how few things pass. And it's it's why there's
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: two female characters that have a conversation about something that
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: isn't a man. Yes, and it's wild how often things
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: do not pass that exactly. Yeah, but uh but gimmergirls,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the story and that's why why
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: we love it totally.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And like young Melissa McCarthy, you know.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah right she.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's always been brilliant, you know, like from
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the get go. I was literally just watching on YouTube
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: if you google like funny outtakes Melissa McCarthy. There is
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the most brilliant like riff where she's clearly improving on
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: This is forty right, that movie and as Paul Rudd
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and Amy I can't remember her the actress's name, but anyways,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: it is so brilliant because she's just going off on
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: this insane tangent and.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: They're laughing so hard, like you know, you can hear
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: the director yelling cut, but she's just going on and
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: everyone is hysterical.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it's fun to see, like looking now seeing the show,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: like how young she was then and just fresh starting out.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where like you turn it on,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, most McCarthy, this is like okay,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you know, this is early in her career. This is
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: really cool to watch. Yeah, you you were working on
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff right now, and I want to
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: talk about it just a bit here. So you've got
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: a we call it a proof of concept, a short
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: called Lucky that you wrote and direct. You tell us
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a bit about that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, that came about because I really am
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: sort of obsessed with this line between tragedy and comedy,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Like there's a fine line, right, And I had thought
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: of these like very sort of absurd, deluded characters who
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: are actually kind of tragic, but then find themselves in
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: this really comic situation, right, which is, you know, to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: make a long story short, they believe that this guy's
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: actually a matred d at a restaurant and has been
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: kicked out by he's sleeping in his car. But he's
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: a good looking guy and they think he's Bobby Kennedy Jr.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: And they're broke, so they decide to kidnap him, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the kidnapping just turns into total chaos and it turns
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: into a dance party. Anyway, that's the essential story of it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: But the theme in the idea, if it were to be
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: picked up as a series, is just the way life
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: is so chaotic that your best laid plans, you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: are often, you know, often turned into something completely different.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: And I love the idea of these sort of cringey
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: characters who are you know, like really clueless but funny
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and tragic at the same time.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Clueless characters getting themselves into going over their head in
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: situations is like my favorite style. I love, I love
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: sort of. I can't wait to see Lucky as it
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: becomes a serious because I'm going to speak it into
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the world. It's going to happen. Okay, Uh, you have
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: a You've written a feature called Lost and Found. We'll
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: talk a bit about that too.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of a story, like it's like a
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: crash type story where you have very disparate like you're
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: jumping from you know, a father and his son and
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the son's having a hard time in school, and then
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: you you're jumping to a guy who's in prison, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: then you're jumping to a woman who's a cop and
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: she's alcoholic and she's you know, on a case. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the very different desperate characters end up impacting each other
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and changing each other's lives right in a way that
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: is really surprising, And there are connections there that are
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: really unexpected. So yeah, that's what it is, and it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: very much it's not a comedy, it's very much a
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: heart heartfelt piece. Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean so excited to see everything coming from
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the world of Kate Lnear. Thank you so much for
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: hanging out with us today.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, I loved it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: If people want to keep up with you and see
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: everything you're working on, where should they go. Do you
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: have a website or a social media You.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Probably Instagram, which is you know at Lanear Kate there is.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: We're doing a website right now for Lucky, So that
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: will be up and a few days and that will
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: just be you know, Lucky, it'll say Lucky the film. Yeah,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: that's you know, that's it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, thank you again for doing this my pleasure.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I have a great rest of your day. This has
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: been so much fun.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. Hey, everybody, and don't forget
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.