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- 1:22Speaker 5: But I feel like this is very actionable advice.
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- 1:36Speaker 5: another edition of Dear Life Kit. This series where you
- 1:40Speaker 5: send us your questions and we try to dole out
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- 1:46Speaker 5: of the advice is going to come from us, the
- 1:49Speaker 5: Life Kit team, with help from the collective wisdom in
- 1:53Speaker 5: our archives and as always for Dear Life Kit, reporter
- 1:56Speaker 5: and Detagle is here. Hi, Andy, Hey Mary, and we've
- 2:00Speaker 5: also got our digital editor, Malga Gharib here.
- 2:04Speaker 1: Hello.
- 2:05Speaker 5: Let's get right into it with our first question, Andy,
- 2:07Speaker 5: you want to read that one?
- 2:08Speaker 6: Okay, Dear Life Kit. This is going to sound super petty,
- 2:13Speaker 6: and it kind of is. But I'm worried about losing
- 2:15Speaker 6: my friends when my life is going better than theirs.
- 2:19Speaker 6: One of my friend's parents is having health issues. Another
- 2:21Speaker 6: friend is struggling with bills. And another is caring for
- 2:24Speaker 6: their grandparents. I've become scared to share things with them
- 2:27Speaker 6: because my problems don't feel as big, and I've recently
- 2:31Speaker 6: had some positive things happened in my career. We're all
- 2:34Speaker 6: in our early twenties, and I know it's not abnormal
- 2:37Speaker 6: for everyone to be on different paths and such, but
- 2:39Speaker 6: I'm still worried about stoking resentment.
- 2:42Speaker 2: What do I do?
- 2:43Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I get this, and it's going to
- 2:47Speaker 5: be very common in all of our lives that sometimes
- 2:49Speaker 5: when you're up, other people are down and vice versa. Right,
- 2:54Speaker 5: and also sometimes even within your own life, often parts
- 2:57Speaker 5: of your life are up and parts of your life
- 2:59Speaker 5: are down. Like I have had personal experience with when
- 3:03Speaker 5: I got cancer, people close friends of mine feeling like
- 3:08Speaker 5: they shouldn't tell me certain things in their lives. And
- 3:13Speaker 5: actually it wasn't even good stuff happening. It was bad stuff,
- 3:17Speaker 5: but stuff that they thought.
- 3:18Speaker 4: Didn't compare to having cancer at thirty.
- 3:20Speaker 5: Four, So they were like, well, she's going through chemos
- 3:23Speaker 5: so I can't talk to her about my breakup. And
- 3:26Speaker 5: I didn't feel that way at all, like I was.
- 3:28Speaker 5: I remember saying to them.
- 3:29Speaker 6: It's like paint Olympics, and they're like, yeah.
- 3:31Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not how I see the world. And I
- 3:35Speaker 5: do think fundamentally that we have to be able to
- 3:39Speaker 5: be there for the people we love, whether their lives
- 3:42Speaker 5: are up or down. That it's just as much of
- 3:45Speaker 5: a service to others to show up for them when
- 3:48Speaker 5: the good things happen and not hold it against them.
- 3:51Speaker 1: Well, I have a question about that, because, like, if
- 3:53Speaker 1: you do go through a breakup and then you see
- 3:55Speaker 1: that all your friends are getting married or getting with people, yeah,
- 3:58Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about your the fact that
- 3:59Speaker 1: you're getting married, right, Like, why is it in that
- 4:02Speaker 1: situation that it's kind of normal to like not want
- 4:05Speaker 1: to hear ah, gosh, they're getting married. But then, yeah,
- 4:09Speaker 1: it's interesting that you're saying that when you were going
- 4:10Speaker 1: through cancer and going through this horrible thing, that it
- 4:14Speaker 1: was okay for you to hear about other breakups. Is
- 4:15Speaker 1: it because the context was totally different?
- 4:18Speaker 5: I think the context being different helps, And I also
- 4:20Speaker 5: had no problem hearing about the good things in people's lives.
- 4:23Speaker 5: It actually just reminded me that there was good on
- 4:25Speaker 5: the other side of what I was going through, Like
- 4:28Speaker 5: my friends being in Europe you know, with their kids
- 4:31Speaker 5: and sending pictures. I was like, oh my gosh, I
- 4:33Speaker 5: can't wait to go there when I'm done with treatment.
- 4:35Speaker 5: But I think, yeah, you want to make sure with
- 4:37Speaker 5: your friends that you're also showing up for them and
- 4:39Speaker 5: not just asking how are you? Like if if awful
- 4:42Speaker 5: things are happening in their lives, then you want to
- 4:45Speaker 5: be present and think about like what you're good at
- 4:49Speaker 5: and practical ways you could show up, Like if they're
- 4:53Speaker 5: going to a lot of doctor's visits, maybe you're you're
- 4:55Speaker 5: good at being pushy and advocating for someone, or maybe
- 4:58Speaker 5: you're good at organizing the meal train, or maybe you're
- 5:00Speaker 5: really good at emotional support. You want to think about
- 5:04Speaker 5: the specifics of the situation that they shared with you
- 5:07Speaker 5: and how you can show up for them.
- 5:09Speaker 6: A trick that I found helpful with this is something
- 5:11Speaker 6: that I got from the team what is it? And
- 5:12Speaker 6: it was just ask in the reverse situation, would you
- 5:16Speaker 6: be offended? You know, like, if something bad was happening
- 5:20Speaker 6: to me and something good was happening to my friend,
- 5:23Speaker 6: would it hurt my feeling?
- 5:24Speaker 2: Would would I want to bring my friends down with me?
- 5:27Speaker 1: Like?
- 5:28Speaker 6: Of course, not like I would I would you know
- 5:29Speaker 6: if someone is in your corner. I found in my
- 5:31Speaker 6: personal experience, like, if someone is in my corner, they're
- 5:33Speaker 6: in my corner no matter what. And if someone wants
- 5:36Speaker 6: to yuck on mym, they're gonna yuck on my m
- 5:38Speaker 6: no matter how well they're doing, you know what I mean?
- 5:40Speaker 1: That's true. Also, it's a good This is maybe a
- 5:42Speaker 1: good litmus test too. It's like if she can come
- 5:44Speaker 1: to these people her friends, and like she feels comfortable
- 5:48Speaker 1: enough to celebrate with them no matter where they are,
- 5:51Speaker 1: and they like, yes, I think reciprocate is important, And
- 5:54Speaker 1: I think that's like a sign that like it's a
- 5:55Speaker 1: good friendship. But if they're like, if she doesn't feel
- 5:57Speaker 1: comfortable in that space too, then maybe it's also not
- 5:59Speaker 1: a good Right now.
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- 6:53Speaker 4: Let's go to question two.
- 6:54Speaker 1: What do you think?
- 6:55Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, push number two.
- 6:58Speaker 6: Dear life kid, how do you deal with people you
- 7:01Speaker 6: can't stand but are forced to interact with on a
- 7:03Speaker 6: regular basis. I'm in high school and there's this person
- 7:07Speaker 6: who I have many classes with, share mutual friends with,
- 7:10Speaker 6: but she's an energy vampire. She loves to one up
- 7:13Speaker 6: me and as a mean sense of humor. How can
- 7:15Speaker 6: I set clearer boundaries or make my interactions with her
- 7:18Speaker 6: less painful?
- 7:19Speaker 1: Okay, So I tell you guys something I like attract
- 7:23Speaker 1: energy vampires. I don't know how and why, but they
- 7:26Speaker 1: come to me, they dump on me while they're like
- 7:30Speaker 1: like they vent at me and they talk at me,
- 7:32Speaker 1: and then like they don't let me leave me any
- 7:34Speaker 1: room to speak. And I think that it's because I'm
- 7:37Speaker 1: way too nice, like I don't and I don't have
- 7:39Speaker 1: any like boundaries with friendships too. It's like I'll just
- 7:42Speaker 1: like keep hanging out with a person because I feel obligated.
- 7:45Speaker 1: So for this high school student, I spent a lot
- 7:47Speaker 1: of time looking through all of our friendship episodes, and
- 7:51Speaker 1: I found the perfect advice for you. I'm ready from
- 7:54Speaker 1: an interview with the writer Rachel Wilkerson Miller, who wrote
- 7:57Speaker 1: the book The Art of Showing Up, How to Be
- 7:59Speaker 1: There for Yourself and your people, and her advice was this,
- 8:03Speaker 1: break up with a friend like you would break up
- 8:05Speaker 1: with a partner. Here's what you might say to this
- 8:09Speaker 1: energy vampire. Listen. I appreciate that you want to be
- 8:13Speaker 1: friends with me, but I'm just not feeling the connection.
- 8:16Speaker 1: I know we're in a lot of classes together, so
- 8:18Speaker 1: let's try to be cordial with each other when we
- 8:20Speaker 1: see each other. But for now, i'd appreciate if you
- 8:24Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of space. I hope you understand.
- 8:27Speaker 5: Hmmm, that seems like maybe easier to say over text.
- 8:32Speaker 6: Yes, I mean I think that your response, Malica. I
- 8:36Speaker 6: also think it's a.
- 8:37Speaker 2: Mature one, maybe a little too mature. Yeah, here's the thing.
- 8:40Speaker 4: Okay.
- 8:40Speaker 6: So my initial thought was I think it's it's a
- 8:43Speaker 6: mature one and I think it would be very good
- 8:45Speaker 6: in an in an ideal world.
- 8:47Speaker 2: Right, but high school.
- 8:48Speaker 6: High school is very far from an ideal world, right,
- 8:52Speaker 6: I think you right? Yeah, I think it's very far
- 8:54Speaker 6: from an ideal world.
- 8:55Speaker 1: So what what would you do?
- 8:56Speaker 2: Okay?
- 8:56Speaker 6: So my solution the first thing that came to my
- 8:59Speaker 6: mind one stick with me, okay. But the first episode
- 9:02Speaker 6: that came to my head, the first advice that came
- 9:03Speaker 6: to my head, was my the episode on How to
- 9:06Speaker 6: Raise the Toddler, on how to Talk Toddler.
- 9:07Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is not the connection I thought
- 9:10Speaker 1: you were going to make. But say more please, Okay.
- 9:13Speaker 6: This person can be really sounds really irritating, sounds like
- 9:16Speaker 6: they're being really illogical, like they're being really nonsensical, not
- 9:19Speaker 6: very far away from a toddler. And when you are
- 9:21Speaker 6: communicating with a toddler and you want them to change
- 9:24Speaker 6: their behavior, you have to be really creative. So sometimes
- 9:27Speaker 6: that means you have to like outwacky.
- 9:30Speaker 2: They're wacky.
- 9:31Speaker 6: Sometimes we can distract them or give them like a
- 9:34Speaker 6: hard time limit or oh yeah, in the case of
- 9:37Speaker 6: like an all out tantrum, Like if this person's being
- 9:39Speaker 6: really mean, then what you have to do is like
- 9:42Speaker 6: mentally disengage, protect your piece, you know, do nothing to
- 9:46Speaker 6: fan the flames. Yeah, Or I might try to like
- 9:48Speaker 6: positively reinforce someone else's behavior, you know, like I might
- 9:51Speaker 6: like go to someone who I actually think is cool
- 9:53Speaker 6: and like try and talk to them about that thing
- 9:55Speaker 6: that I thought.
- 9:56Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what I mean, Like I might.
- 9:58Speaker 5: I might not respond to what they said and literally
- 10:01Speaker 5: be like they tell me, you know, you say something
- 10:04Speaker 5: mean about me, Molica.
- 10:05Speaker 4: I know I can't imagine it.
- 10:07Speaker 5: I surely can imagine happening, But you say something mean
- 10:10Speaker 5: to me, or you you one at me and I
- 10:12Speaker 5: just literally like don't respond to you, like eyes glaze
- 10:16Speaker 5: over and.
- 10:16Speaker 4: I'm like, Andy, I love your jumpsuit totally.
- 10:18Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, yes, Like don't don't you don't have
- 10:20Speaker 6: to laugh at the joke, right, like if you don't
- 10:23Speaker 6: have to laugh at the joke.
- 10:24Speaker 5: Or even like even if I was just talking to you,
- 10:26Speaker 5: I could be like, did you say that you were
- 10:28Speaker 5: going to the beach this weekend or just something like that, Like.
- 10:31Speaker 4: The distraction thing I think could be really helpful.
- 10:35Speaker 5: Sometimes when people are mean, I feel like it's coming
- 10:37Speaker 5: from an insecure place and like trying to prove you're
- 10:40Speaker 5: so cool place and so just being hard with them,
- 10:44Speaker 5: like being a little like like you can be. There's
- 10:46Speaker 5: this meme that I saw that I really love. It's
- 10:48Speaker 5: a bunny rabbit holding a medieval weapon. Like it's like
- 10:52Speaker 5: it has like a chain and with like a ball
- 10:54Speaker 5: on the end and a bunch of metal spikes, and
- 10:57Speaker 5: it says soft but not available for mistreatment.
- 11:00Speaker 1: And I love that. Do you know what? That's how
- 11:02Speaker 1: I feel. That's how I feel like I am, like, yeah,
- 11:04Speaker 1: I feel like they That's why I attract the energy vampires.
- 11:06Speaker 1: I think it's because I think they can just sort
- 11:08Speaker 1: of like, yeah, dump on me, but like I think
- 11:10Speaker 1: that I have to have like a boundary, like this
- 11:12Speaker 1: is the thing about this person. It's like you're very
- 11:14Speaker 1: nice to like entertain these kinds of treatment, but like yeah,
- 11:17Speaker 1: so let her know, yeah your soft, but like don't
- 11:21Speaker 1: mistreat me.
- 11:21Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, let's go into question three.
- 11:29Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. Dear life kid.
- 11:32Speaker 6: I have a coworker who I absolutely adore, and we're
- 11:36Speaker 6: friends outside the workplace as well. She has three young children,
- 11:39Speaker 6: and she prioritizes being a good mom over things at work.
- 11:42Speaker 6: But when she has to call out for doctor's appointments,
- 11:44Speaker 6: sick days, or holidays, the job of picking up the
- 11:47Speaker 6: slack at work tends to fall on me. Our boss
- 11:50Speaker 6: doesn't see the problem, and I realize it's my own
- 11:52Speaker 6: fault for taking things on. I have a lot of
- 11:55Speaker 6: trouble delegating or asking for help, since I often find
- 11:57Speaker 6: myself so stressed that it's easier just to do things myself.
- 12:01Speaker 6: I'm happily childless myself, and I want my friend and
- 12:05Speaker 6: coworker to be able to prioritize her family, and I
- 12:07Speaker 6: feel terrible for feeling resentful. How do I stop this
- 12:11Speaker 6: cycle of stress?
- 12:12Speaker 2: Quit your job?
- 12:13Speaker 4: Just kidding, kidding, Okay.
- 12:17Speaker 6: I think this is a really juicy question, and at
- 12:20Speaker 6: first glance, it kind of it seems like a parent
- 12:23Speaker 6: versus child free values type of question, I think, But
- 12:27Speaker 6: I think, actually this is a you versus you question.
- 12:31Speaker 2: Personally, I think that's what it. Do you do? You
- 12:33Speaker 2: do you?
- 12:34Speaker 8: Yeah?
- 12:34Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, I agree.
- 12:35Speaker 6: It's a you versus the perceived expectations of you, the
- 12:40Speaker 6: largely unstated expectations of you let a writer, and I
- 12:43Speaker 6: want to just start by saying the people pleaser in
- 12:45Speaker 6: me sees the people pleaser in you.
- 12:48Speaker 2: Just say.
- 12:50Speaker 6: Something I learned recently from our episode on the book
- 12:52Speaker 6: Drained from a professor named your Repanner is that sometimes
- 12:57Speaker 6: when it comes to the mental load, sometimes you need
- 13:00Speaker 6: to separate out what is required of you, what you're
- 13:03Speaker 6: taking on out of obligation, and what you actually want
- 13:06Speaker 6: to be doing. Like, does it really have to be
- 13:09Speaker 6: on you to take on this work besties?
- 13:12Speaker 2: Load? You know?
- 13:13Speaker 6: Do you have to raise your hand every time? Does
- 13:15Speaker 6: anyone have to raise their hand for this work?
- 13:17Speaker 1: You know?
- 13:17Speaker 2: Are your deadlines real deadlines? These are the things that
- 13:19Speaker 2: I'm thinking of. What about you guys?
- 13:20Speaker 5: And I think ultimately, like I know, sometimes if we
- 13:24Speaker 5: care about our jobs, or even if we're diligent type
- 13:27Speaker 5: of people, we feel like the work is our responsibility
- 13:32Speaker 5: and if it doesn't all get done, then it's on us.
- 13:35Speaker 5: But ultimately it's the company's responsibility and it's the company's
- 13:40Speaker 5: problem if it's not all getting done. Yeah, and their
- 13:43Speaker 5: challenge to figure out.
- 13:45Speaker 6: Right, That's exactly what I said, is like it sounds
- 13:47Speaker 6: like you need to talk to your boss about this.
- 13:48Speaker 6: It sounds like you have tried before and it has
- 13:51Speaker 6: been successful. Like one conversation, it doesn't have to stop
- 13:53Speaker 6: at one conversation, right, So like it seems like it's
- 13:56Speaker 6: time to ask your boss for a meeting. Give yourself
- 13:58Speaker 6: time to have to think about what you want to say,
- 14:01Speaker 6: and when you do that, data is your friend. Keep
- 14:03Speaker 6: your receipts if you haven't already, arm yourself with information.
- 14:07Speaker 6: If you feel like you've been doing a lot of
- 14:09Speaker 6: the work for a lot of the time and you're
- 14:11Speaker 6: okay with that, then maybe it's time for a new role,
- 14:15Speaker 6: a new title, more money so that you can feel
- 14:18Speaker 6: less resentful.
- 14:19Speaker 1: Let the spear flag flag yeah.
- 14:21Speaker 6: Or if you're not, then let your boss know I'm
- 14:24Speaker 6: doing way too much and it's time to pair back.
- 14:26Speaker 5: I think that another point here is often in the workplace,
- 14:31Speaker 5: people who have kids are given more leeway or more
- 14:37Speaker 5: like help, And I understand that they do need the support,
- 14:41Speaker 5: but that doesn't mean that someone who's child free should
- 14:44Speaker 5: just automatically have to work more than someone who has
- 14:47Speaker 5: Absolutely Like, yeah, we've done an episode on how to
- 14:50Speaker 5: be child free, and part of that is just reinforcing
- 14:53Speaker 5: that that is a valid choice, and it doesn't make
- 14:57Speaker 5: you a better person and more upstanding member of society
- 15:01Speaker 5: or more important because you have kids versus someone else.
- 15:04Speaker 1: Maybe you need to hear that. Actually, maybe the letter
- 15:06Speaker 1: writer needs to hear that.
- 15:07Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 15:07Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the exact same thing to say.
- 15:10Speaker 6: Brittany Loose, the host of It's Been a Minute, came
- 15:13Speaker 6: on to Dear Life Kid a few months back and
- 15:16Speaker 6: she had this great line. She says, I'm going to
- 15:19Speaker 6: give as much as I can lovingly, and no more,
- 15:22Speaker 6: because if you give more than what you can give lovingly,
- 15:25Speaker 6: you're either going to it either means to conflict or
- 15:27Speaker 6: you end up feeling short changed. So I think it
- 15:30Speaker 6: applies to these friends here, like it applies to work,
- 15:32Speaker 6: It applies to friends, it applies to family.
- 15:34Speaker 2: You know.
- 15:34Speaker 6: I will, I'll give you as much as I can
- 15:36Speaker 6: that I can give lovingly, But as soon as I
- 15:38Speaker 6: as I feel any like any, any sort of bitterness
- 15:41Speaker 6: in my mouth, that's the line.
- 15:43Speaker 2: That's the line.
- 15:43Speaker 6: It doesn't matter if I have kids, if I don't
- 15:45Speaker 6: have it like whatever I can give lovingly, yeah, once
- 15:47Speaker 6: I'm unhappy about it, That's that's the line to stub.
- 15:50Speaker 2: Then you're asking too much.
- 15:51Speaker 1: Wow, that also applies to the other letter writer with
- 15:55Speaker 1: the energy vampire.
- 15:56Speaker 2: Yeah, probably applies to all of them.
- 15:58Speaker 1: That's right, that's good.
- 16:00Speaker 2: I think so too.
- 16:01Speaker 1: Thanks bringing snaps to Brittany Loose.
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