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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 12-23-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 1: Willies on Utah's number one sports talk and home of
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  Speaker 1: b ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one AFM, a
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  Speaker 1: proud part of Utah's ESPN Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Heavy Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 3: hundred ninety two to one FM. Glad to have you
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  Speaker 3: with us on a show that has brought to you
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  Speaker 3: today and every day by our friends over at Big
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  Speaker 3: Willies seventeen seventeen South Main. Look, if you are like
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  Speaker 3: me and you procrastinated your way all the way up
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  Speaker 3: to this impending Christmas holiday, and you didn't schedule the
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  Speaker 3: family gathering, you didn't schedule the office party, whatever, guess
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  Speaker 3: what you can do. You can call Big Willies and
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  Speaker 3: you could say, hey, we need to do something.
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  Speaker 2: I'm run. We're gonna we're gonna scrap the Christmas party.
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  Speaker 4: We're doing a New Year's deal, all right, We're doing
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  Speaker 4: a New Year's celebration. And then everyone you invite is
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  Speaker 4: gonna be like, wow, how conscientious of this person, How
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  Speaker 4: considerate to realize that our social calendars are already quite
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  Speaker 4: crowded and to not give us an obligation pre Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Was a service, was a gift.
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  Speaker 4: And then you nod, yes, yes, I did that totally
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  Speaker 4: on purpose, of course. And just so you know, our
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  Speaker 4: Big Willies New Year's Celebration, you're gonna have.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful pool. Haul will shoot some pool. We'll do
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  Speaker 2: a little tournament with prizes.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, any games that you want to watch, upcoming college
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  Speaker 4: football playoff games, NBA basketball, NHL hockey. You're gonna be
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  Speaker 4: able to watch all of these things, of course, the NFL,
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  Speaker 4: and they've got an incredible craft food menu. And these
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  Speaker 4: people are gonna look at you and they're gonna be like, wow,
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  Speaker 4: you really thought this out, You really checked all the boxes.
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  Speaker 4: And nobody's gonna know that you procrastinated your way all
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  Speaker 4: the way through the holidays. Call Big Willies, get it
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  Speaker 4: all scheduled. Teen seventeenth, South Maine. Tell them that oh
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  Speaker 4: C sent you, as is always.
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  Speaker 5: The case, and you can you can totally play it off.
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  Speaker 5: Like I told them to bring the pool tables. I
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  Speaker 5: told they don't always have them out, ye.
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  Speaker 4: Like normally the pool hall is locked and not available,
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  Speaker 4: but I opened that up for the VIPs.
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  Speaker 5: I told them to put every game on the TV
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  Speaker 5: because I knew we had a lot of sports fans.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that was me.
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  Speaker 4: Normally they're just watching reality television. It's usually just like, uh,
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  Speaker 4: love Island.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what, I bet if we I bet
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  Speaker 5: if you're not a sportsman, if you if you ma'am
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  Speaker 5: or sir or not a sports fan, I'll bet if
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  Speaker 5: you ask them, they would they'd turn on the Hallmark
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  Speaker 5: channel for you. You know what, play some Christmas movies
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  Speaker 5: even even after New Year's after Christmas for you.
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  Speaker 2: It's all just because I planned this.
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  Speaker 4: I think willis They actually opened the kitchen just for
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  Speaker 4: us seventeen seventeen South Maine. Tell them that, oh see
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  Speaker 4: sent you. All right, Uh, this is the last live
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  Speaker 4: show of the week. We're gonna have incredible programming though
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  Speaker 4: all through the week. As you're getting sick of your
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  Speaker 4: family and just like all right, I'm gonna go hop
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  Speaker 4: in the car and drive around for a while. I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna be the person that goes and volunteers to get
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  Speaker 4: the extra gallon of eggnog whatever. We've got classic calls
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  Speaker 4: for Christmas Eve and for Boxing Day.
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  Speaker 5: I can't believe you put that as Boxing Day. Hey,
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  Speaker 5: it was easier than saying the day after.
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  Speaker 4: Chris Kyle Whittingham Best Games Wednesday at ten am. It'll
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  Speaker 4: be the twenty twenty two USC game at Rice Cycle Stadium.
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  Speaker 4: That's Cam Rising's two point conversion for the win.
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  Speaker 3: Pandemonium at Rice Cycle Stadium two pm.
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  Speaker 4: The twenty ten Holy War That might be my favorite.
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  Speaker 4: I have such a very distinct memory. I've told this
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  Speaker 4: story on the air before I was because that was
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  Speaker 4: like Thanksgiving week or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I was in Washington, d C. Where my brother lives.
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  Speaker 4: We had decided he was the only one in the
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  Speaker 4: family with kids back in twenty ten, so we had
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  Speaker 4: gone to see him. The whole family was there, and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I have to watch this Holy War game.
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  Speaker 2: So we went down. I went down to a sports
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  Speaker 2: bar that was like.
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  Speaker 4: Next to the Verizon Center in downtown DC, and I
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  Speaker 4: was battling the bartender was really cool, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: just the smallest television above the bar, just leave that
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  Speaker 4: on byu Utah and everyone's coming in, like Maryland is
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  Speaker 4: playing and like there's you know.
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  Speaker 2: All this other stuff going on. But since when was
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  Speaker 2: Maryland any good at football?
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  Speaker 4: Well, when you're in Maryland, effectively, they care about that more.
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  Speaker 4: There's all these big ten games, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: please just leave that there. And it's it's made much
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  Speaker 4: worse because I don't drink alcohol. Yes, you're taking up
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  Speaker 4: space at the barking. I'm taking up a seat at
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  Speaker 4: the bar literally drinking water and eating wings. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I promise you, I'm going to tip you. Like I
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  Speaker 4: know that I'm not running up a tab. I know
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  Speaker 4: that this is annoying. I'm like, I know how this works.
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  Speaker 4: I worked in bars, and what are you talking about.
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  Speaker 4: You don't drink.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, just trust me, dude, leave it on.
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  Speaker 4: So all game long, I'm watching and I'm just like
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  Speaker 4: the only person in the bar who cares about the game.
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  Speaker 4: And not only that, but people would become like elbowing
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  Speaker 4: up next to me, be like, hey, could you turn
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  Speaker 4: this TV to whatever?
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  Speaker 2: No cane you put Penn State on it. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: shut up, knock it off. Who's Penn State even playing?
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  Speaker 6: Like what?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the best rivalry game in the country,
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  Speaker 2: and they're just like okay, So.
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  Speaker 4: It's just me by myself watching this game, like my
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  Speaker 4: brother stayed for half of it and then he left,
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  Speaker 4: so it was literally just me watching the game by
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  Speaker 4: myself on like.
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  Speaker 2: A twenty three dollars tab to eat wings. And the
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  Speaker 2: man kept it on right the whole game. What a
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  Speaker 2: guy that last.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm again, it's impossible to really set the stage
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  Speaker 4: because it's crowded, it's full. It's people all there for
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  Speaker 4: the holidays, doing the same thing, kind of escaping their families,
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  Speaker 4: a huge college football day, and that's that's rivalry weekend
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  Speaker 4: in college football. And I'm standing there celebrating loudly when
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  Speaker 4: Burton impossibly that is like one of the most difficult,
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  Speaker 4: low percentage things that happens in all of football. Blocked
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  Speaker 4: field goals, blocked extra points almost never happened, and when
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  Speaker 4: they do happen, ninety nine percent of the time, it's
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  Speaker 4: because the kick is low and it's the leaper in
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  Speaker 4: the middle of the formation that gets a hand on it.
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  Speaker 4: It is so prohibitively rare that the rusher bends the
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  Speaker 4: edge and gets around the corner and is able to
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  Speaker 4: lay out and time it perfectly and not rough the holder,
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  Speaker 4: rough the kicker, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was wow. That was among the.
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  Speaker 4: Very very best plays in the history of the rivalry game,
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  Speaker 4: so that might be my favorite, and we're playing it.
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  Speaker 2: At two pm on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so Jets Christmas Eve, twenty twenty two USC game,
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  Speaker 5: the game at Rice Cycle Stadium, not the Pactal Championship game,
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  Speaker 5: and then the twenty ten Burton Block Holy War game.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, that's also the beginning of the nine
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  Speaker 5: game win streak, so the first of the nine in
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  Speaker 5: a row.
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  Speaker 4: And then on Friday at eleven am, which is of
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  Speaker 4: course our normal showtime, a replay of the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: one Pac twelve Championship game, which in my estimation is
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  Speaker 4: the absolute pinnacle of Utah football on a national stage,
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  Speaker 4: so bigger than the Sugar Bowl went over Alabama for you,
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  Speaker 4: I think it is because you were now a bona
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  Speaker 4: fide kind of perennial contender in.
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  Speaker 2: Power five football.
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  Speaker 4: You had graduated from being the mid major that you
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  Speaker 4: were in the Sugar Bowl, and you were now finally
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  Speaker 4: getting the conference championship win that you'd been contending for
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  Speaker 4: and you've been climbing toward. Even when you first joined
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  Speaker 4: the Pac twelve, you were a win away from winning
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  Speaker 4: the South and then of course divisions went away and
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  Speaker 4: that didn't matter anymore. But that that to me was
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  Speaker 4: from when you talk to people that are like not
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  Speaker 4: regional fans and didn't follow Mountain West Conference football for
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  Speaker 4: obvious reasons.
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  Speaker 2: That's when people were just like okay, utah.
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  Speaker 4: And well, maybe we'll ask Jeff Schwartz about it when
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  Speaker 4: he joins us later on in the show, because he
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  Speaker 4: has fond memories he I think destroyed. It's a very
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  Speaker 4: terrible memory for him. But like, he's an example of
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  Speaker 4: the kind of person that I'm talking about. Cause, to
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  Speaker 4: be honest, most people outside of Alabama and outside of
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  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City don't even think of the Sugar Bowl
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  Speaker 4: when we are talking about like what an amazing I mean,
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  Speaker 4: more often people will reference the Fiesta Bowl because Alex
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  Speaker 4: Smith was the quarterback of that team and he went
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  Speaker 4: on to prominence in the end of being the head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Urban Meyer was the head coach.
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  Speaker 4: It was the very first right you have that benefit
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  Speaker 4: of being the first mover. You were the first BCS buster.
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  Speaker 4: It had never happened before. And by the way, Alabama
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  Speaker 4: at that time was not yet Alabama. It was Nick
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  Speaker 4: Saban's second year.
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  Speaker 5: It was their first year as a national title contender
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  Speaker 5: under Saban, but that was John Parker Wilson at quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: not much of a passing game they lose. They were
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  Speaker 5: undefeated until the SEC Championship game. So if they beat Florida,
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  Speaker 5: who won the national championship that year, Utah would have
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  Speaker 5: probably played Florida in the Sugar Bowl and Tim Tebow anyway,
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  Speaker 5: but Florida I think destroyed him in the SEC Championship.
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  Speaker 5: So you're right, it was right before they were national
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  Speaker 5: championship dynasty Nick Saban Alabama. But but you could say
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  Speaker 5: because it was a that was their second loss of
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  Speaker 5: the season, one loss going to that game, undefeated till
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  Speaker 5: the postseason, you could say that was kind of the
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  Speaker 5: de facto beginning of the dynasty, but it wasn't quite
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  Speaker 5: when they had their championship teams.
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  Speaker 4: And if you again, this is in reference to the
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one PAC twelve Championship game replay, which is
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  Speaker 4: gonna happen Friday at eleven instead of our regular scheduled programming.
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  Speaker 4: When we talk about it, if you, if you ask
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  Speaker 4: people like greatest moments in Utah football, not Utah people,
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  Speaker 4: and not BYU people because BYU people know, right, maybe
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  Speaker 4: some Maggie fans do too. Like when you think of
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  Speaker 4: Utah football, they're gonna be like, okay, yeah, Kyle Whittingham,
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  Speaker 4: tough defense, etcetera, etcetera. Like no, the games, the names,
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  Speaker 4: the players like, give me those people. Strangely, it's nobody
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  Speaker 4: from the Sugar Bowl team, right, People don't like Brian
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  Speaker 4: Johnson is amazing. He's not legendary outside of Utah. He
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  Speaker 4: is not someone that people are just like, Oh man,
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  Speaker 4: that guy. I remember watching that guy and what a
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  Speaker 4: what a great, incredible veteran he was.
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  Speaker 2: What a field general.
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  Speaker 4: They don't talk about Matt Asciata, they don't talk about
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  Speaker 4: a David Reed.
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  Speaker 2: They don't talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Even like Paul Krueger was on that team. He was incredible.
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  Speaker 4: CoA mecI was unbelievable. Right, you had a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: really really good players, your defensive backfield, Sean Smith, Bryce McCain,
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  Speaker 4: these guys that went on to very successful NFL careers.
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  Speaker 2: But if you ask a sort of neutral party to
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  Speaker 2: name someone from that team that they remember, it's really
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  Speaker 2: hard for people outside of the Utah sphere to do that.
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  Speaker 2: The Alex Smith team that's not You can always name
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  Speaker 2: Alex and if you're a little bit more in the know,
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  Speaker 2: you probably are at least going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: name like Eric Weddle, maybe Morgan Scalley, probably just Smith
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  Speaker 2: and Weddle. And if you go to these games we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about that I'm referencing here the Pac twelve Championship game,
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  Speaker 2: those Pac twelve championship years, Like Cameron was a cult
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  Speaker 2: hero and people knew it, and.
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  Speaker 4: The program did a better job of marketing him. And
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  Speaker 4: I think maybe most importantly, maybe most importantly, that you
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  Speaker 4: were already in the Pac twelve conference. You were on
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  Speaker 4: the national stage. You weren't emerging to the national stage.
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  Speaker 4: We know who Tulane's best players are because they showed
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  Speaker 4: up in the College Football Playoff. We know who you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna see from JMU and the transfer portal because they
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  Speaker 4: showed up in the College Football Playoff.
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  Speaker 2: You're not seeing.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have a knowledge base of those guys prior
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  Speaker 4: to them being in the rankings these final couple weeks.
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  Speaker 4: And that's just not how it was with Utah being
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  Speaker 4: a contender for a couple of years in the Pac
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  Speaker 4: twelve and then finally getting over the hump in the PAC.
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  Speaker 5: Twelve and just one of the thoughts to kind of
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  Speaker 5: put a bow on this. One thing that's kind of
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  Speaker 5: bugged me is I've listened to Dan Patrick's show and
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  Speaker 5: some of the national ESPN radio show over the last
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  Speaker 5: couple of weeks as they're debating whether or not a
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  Speaker 5: group of five should even be in the playoffs, certainly
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  Speaker 5: if there should be more than one, right, All they
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  Speaker 5: bring up is they're like, everyone wants to bring up
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  Speaker 5: Boise State beating Oklahoma, and Dan said, DP said.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only game you can you can bring up.
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  Speaker 5: And I go, wow, that's how what you're the point
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  Speaker 5: that you're making, that's just how obscure even that two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and eight Sugar Bowl team is beating out Nick
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  Speaker 5: Saban Alabama at some might say the beginning of the
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  Speaker 5: dynasty really a year away from that.
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  Speaker 4: Like they what was Boise State's final ranking when they
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  Speaker 4: beat Oklahoma?
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  Speaker 2: Top ten, It's like not as high as Utah.
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  Speaker 4: Utah was the second ranked even the country when they
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  Speaker 4: beat Alabama the Sugar Bowl. And weirdly, it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: a blind spot for the national college football fan, it
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  Speaker 4: really is. And and and I don't believe that's true
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  Speaker 4: of the PAC twelve championship years. Even if you think
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  Speaker 4: that the Sugar Bowl team and the Fiesta Bowl team
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  Speaker 4: were better teams and they probably were good enough to
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  Speaker 4: beat those Pack twelve championship teams, I think I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I would say that though, that the Fiesta Bowl team
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  Speaker 4: could beat any team that Utah has ever fielded. For
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  Speaker 4: obvious reasons, I'm biased there, but people know more about
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  Speaker 4: not just because of recency bias, but just because you
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  Speaker 4: were on this the national stage already.
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  Speaker 2: You were in that spotlight.
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  Speaker 4: You had built your way into all You lost a
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  Speaker 4: couple PAC twelve Championship games prior to that, and then
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  Speaker 4: you got over the hump, so people were aware that
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  Speaker 4: you were a perennial contender and you just as much
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  Speaker 4: as we love the underdog of the mid major conferences
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  Speaker 4: because that's where Utah came from, that's where BYU came from,
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  Speaker 4: Utah State is in that role.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: It just doesn't resonate with people nationally, and now we
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  Speaker 4: have graduated beyond being in those conversations, and you'll find yourself,
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  Speaker 4: as a Utah fan feeling kind of the same way.
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  Speaker 4: Am I really going to watch Mount West Conference football
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  Speaker 4: this week. Am I really going to pay attention to
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  Speaker 4: this Sun Belt game?
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  Speaker 2: And the answer is no.
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  Speaker 4: And then when there's cause for it, when you see
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  Speaker 4: Tulane being put into the College Football Playoff rankings, you're like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: maybe I'll pay attention to them. And obviously Tulane had
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  Speaker 4: the Rets Left connection, which made people a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more aware as well. But anyway, I wanted to talk.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to start the show today. I put a
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  Speaker 4: poll out last night because I was hoping that we
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  Speaker 4: could get a sense of how people are feeling regarding
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  Speaker 4: one of I think is just one of the terrible
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  Speaker 4: symptoms of a very sick.
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  Speaker 2: Symptom in a very sick system.
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  Speaker 4: I should say, in college football right now, where access
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  Speaker 4: to the College Football Playoff is all that matters to
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  Speaker 4: the big teams, where revenue associated with access to the
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  Speaker 4: College Football Playoff and revenue and ratings and donor dollars
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  Speaker 4: and all that stuff dictating virtually everything is We've talked
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  Speaker 4: about ad nauseum. There needs to be We've talked about
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  Speaker 4: this in the past, how college football, power for football
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  Speaker 4: especially would be well served to have like a czar,
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  Speaker 4: someone that oversees things like an authority that speaks for
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  Speaker 4: and is a commissioner of the upper echelon of college football.
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  Speaker 5: Uniting not having four different powerfol commissioners being the most
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  Speaker 5: powerful people, one person who's the most powerful, the.
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  Speaker 4: Power of the the pope of college football, that the
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  Speaker 4: cardinals at the powerfour Conference have to answer to report to.
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  Speaker 4: But someone with authority, someone who can say no, no, no, no no,
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  Speaker 4: we've jumped the shark here.
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  Speaker 2: We need to protect this. We need to stop doing this.
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  Speaker 4: We need to we need to maybe like maybe let's
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  Speaker 4: go back to a single transfer, or maybe let's go
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  Speaker 4: back to penalizing transfers as much nil as you want,
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  Speaker 4: but you got to sit out after your first transfer.
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  Speaker 2: You lose a year of eligibility.
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  Speaker 4: Something right, some grown up that is like, all right, litigation,
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  Speaker 4: be damned. We'll let people tie themselves in the system
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  Speaker 4: up in court for years if that's what they really
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  Speaker 4: want to do. But college football needs to be restored
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  Speaker 4: a little bit to what it was as a national
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  Speaker 4: passion and pastime.
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  Speaker 2: And that person doesn't exist yet.
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  Speaker 4: There's no efforts to point us toward that in college football,
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  Speaker 4: not any sincere efforts anyway. But that person would be
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  Speaker 4: I think necessary to protect us from something that happened
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  Speaker 4: and was announced yesterday that one of the great rivalries,
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  Speaker 4: one of the great cross country rivalries, maybe the best
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  Speaker 4: one in college football, is going to be put on
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  Speaker 4: pause and potentially gone. The closest continuation of it is
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  Speaker 4: twenty thirty. Potential continuation of it is twenty thirty. And look,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: it's great for BYU because BYU gets the bump of
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: being the alternate replacement opponent for Notre Dame because Notre
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Dame USC is dead. And naturally, because I see things
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: more from a Notre Dame lens, I blame USC. And naturally,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: because of the history that we have here in the
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: state of Utah and the Pac twelve conference and what
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: USC did to that conference, I blame USC for.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of things.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: And because we've talked with and about Lincoln Riley now
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: for several years as the head coach of USC, and
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: you've heard behind the scenes, what a baby back, you
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: know what that guy is that I think that it's
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I think that this is a USC thing, and the
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: USC contingent will tell you all.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: We said we would play Notre Dame in week zero
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: and they said, no, that's right. Notre Dame said no
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: to a week zero game because Notre Dame doesn't play
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: week zero games. And you knew Notre Dame didn't play
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: week zero games, and that's why you said that's the
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: only week you could play Notre Dame.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It's you do it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: It's a strategic thing that we all do when we're
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: trying to win an argument. You pretend compliance you gaslight
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: and you say.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Hey, no, no, no.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: If, like, if you really want to go to your
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: parents' house for Thanksgiving, then we're gonna leave at four
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: pm on Thanksgiving to go there. I'm more than willing.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I'm more than willing to go to your parents' house
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: for Thanksgiving. But we got to leave at four pm.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: And it's just like, that's what.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Do you mean?
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Then we're not even there for the meal like that,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: why are we doing that? Oh well, I'm just saying
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: I'm willing to go, and now you're the one who's refusing.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You're the one who's saying we don't want to go.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: My favorite version of this is the playing the board game.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: You get so in and I've done this, You get
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: so into the board game and that you do something
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: that's not against the written rules of the game, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: it's against the spirit of the rules of the game, right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: And you're like, you could have done it too, you
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: I would have been mad if you would have done
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: if you would have done it. You're just mad because
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: I'm the first one to do it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: You had the option. Someone calls, hey, could you pick
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: me up from the airport?
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I'm flying in tomorrow? Absolutely, what time's your flight? I
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: land at one fifteen pm. I can be there at
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: two fifteen. Well, well, that's not helping me. Well I said,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I could come pick you up.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: It's not my fault.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I said, yes, I said yeah, but that doesn't make
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: sense functionally. It makes no sense that you would pick
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: me up an hour after I land.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just chilling there, just get some food
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: in the in the concourse thing.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Like we've all done this before, right, where you offer
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: what you know is kind of an untenable solution, thereby
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: foisting the responsibility of cancelation on somebody else. And that's
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: what USC has done to Notre Dame here and so
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: everyone in Trojan Nation who looks at things through those
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: ugly tinted glasses they're just like, yeah, it's Notre Dame
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: who canceled this thing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: We all know the rules, all right.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: USC is in the pursuit of one thing that has
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: been slipping through their fingers for two decades. Now they're
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: in the pursuit of a national championship that they don't
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: really even believe they can win on merit alone.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And the report is.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: That USC was ready to do the compromise, was ready
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: to come to the table and do things the way
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: that Notre Dame asked them to do them. And then
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: they found out that Notre Dame has automatic access to
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: the college Football Playoff as long as they're in the
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: top twelve. And USC said, hey, hold on, we don't
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: have that. Wait a second, why don't we have that deal.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Why do you get a special deal if we're playing
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: you in rivalry weekend, we're playing you in November and
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: that's you know, ranked team versus ranked team whatever that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Why why don't we have that?
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you why, USC, because you are not on
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: the same level as Notre Dame from a national importance standpoint,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: and that that's really really hard for USC to swallow
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: because they are one of the legendary programs. But nobody
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: has the branding success of Notre Dame. Nobody, not USC,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: not Oregon, not even Ohio State, and all those programs
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: you could make a case are in the modern era
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: are more accomplished than Notre Dame.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: But absolutely, and like I like to think as a
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Buckeyes fan that Ohio State is the top of the top, right,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: but they're really not when you can when you they're
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: like three maybe four, right, which is a great place
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: to be. But Notre Dame is one or two brands
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: and probably always will. They're probably, Yeah.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: James, you have a hard time saying it because you're
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: an Ohio state and Ohio State belongs in the conversation.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Must be why I like is that are they one?
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Not?
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: From an awareness and branding and prominent standpoint?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Is number one, they.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Have their own special rules, even Ohio State doesn't have those.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: And I think also the reason why Notre Dame gets
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: that special rule about hey, you're in the top twelve,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: you're in the you're in the playoff is is.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Because they're not in a conference.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: I think absolutely like and and to your point, if
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: USC Ohio State were independent, they probably wouldn't get those
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: rules because they're not quite as big a brand as
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: as Notre Dame. But I think it does help that
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: they're not in a conference to say, you know what,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: these guys get a little bit more of an advantage because
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: they play. They have the opportunity to play more high
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: profile games because they're scheduled automatically and they get it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: They get a chance in an extra game in the
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: big in their conference championship game. Notre Dame doesn't have
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: any of that. So yeah, we'll give you the top
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: twelve thing.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Which again it's not fair, even as someone who is
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: loving Notre Dame.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't have that. Like from a from.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: An equality and level playing field standpoint, every special treatment
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: that Notre Dame gets is nonsensical, it really is.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But they are Notre Dame.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: It's you can shake your fist and yell at the clouds,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: or you can understand your place. And USC will forever
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: be the school that doesn't really get it all the way.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And they killed the PAC twelve because of it. Trace
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: it all the way back to the beginning, follow the money,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: and it was USC that stabbed the first dagger in
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and started the bleeding for the PAC twelve that the
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: real beginning of the end, right, And now USC is
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: looking at everyone else and just being like, well, we
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: thought as soon as we've gotten into the Big ten,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: we thought that we'd be a national power that could
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: be in the College Football Playoff every year.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: We thought we herd Lincoln Riley.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: We threw this big bag of money at him, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: he hasn't even brought us to a national championship yet. Yeah, USC,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: because you're soft and your coach is soft. And I
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: say these things from what I think is a relatively
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: informed perspective, because if you go back to the.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: If you go back to the days.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: When Lincoln Riley was informed that USC was moving to
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: the Big ten, right that he was sort of supposed
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: to be this like jack of spades in what was
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: an otherwise very advanced cards game, and they were like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: we're already in.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Motion to move to the Big ten.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: We need a coach who can win us the Big
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: ten in a national championship with the extra money we're
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: getting as part of the Big ten, et.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Cetera, et cetera.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Right, but that's not the world Lincoln Riley signed up for.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: And that's not the world that Lincoln Riley came from
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: when he was putting Oklahoma in all these important games
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: because Oklahoma was a dominant force, a blue blood program
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: in a Big twelve conference that didn't have much else.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: And even when he was coaching Texas wasn't anything, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: it was just Oklahoma's just Oklahoma.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: When the Bedlam game was always Cloth.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: State was really good, Kansas State was very respectable, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: that was pretty much it, right, And so he goes
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: to USC thinking, I gotta beat four teams in the
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Pac twelve Conference. I gotta worry about Oregon, I gotta
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: worry about Washington, I gotta worry about Utah, and I
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: gotta worry about Stanford because those were the programs, and
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Stanford was already beginning its slip and slide by the way,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: So maybe he said instead of Stanford, maybe said I
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: gotta beat uclause they're my crosstown rival, and everyone else
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: is going to fall into line. But those are the
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: programs I got to reckon with, and USC is looking
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: down at all of them. That's what Lincoln Riley thought
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: he signed up for at USC. And then the reality
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: of the situation was the university president had already been
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: working behind the scenes to get USC into the Big
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Ten Conference, to drag little brother UCLA along with it,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: to destroy the Pac twelve Conference in the process, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: the head coach, famously, if you listen to the apocryphal stories,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: spent a day seeing if he could get out of
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: his contract, ty profanity laced tirades, freaking out about the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: idea that now he was going to have to compete
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: with the national powers that he had never had to
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: deal with in a regular season.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Ever. I said it when it happened, and nationally it
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: USC is gonna be a power in the Big Ten,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: and like they're gonna be fourth or fifth place every
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: year because Ohio State's always gonna be near the top.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Michigan most years is gonna be near the top, especially
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: if they nailed this head coaching this head coaching search.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Kyle Whittingham, Uh, Penn State's gonna be near the top.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Matt Campbell's a good coach. That shouldn't change. Like maybe
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: USC slides in there, maybe they're behind a little bit,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: and the organ's always gonna be good. We I mean,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: they've just shown they're always gonna be good even in this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Is before they knew Oregon was coming to the Big ten,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: and before they knew, Washington comes to Big ten. But
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: still you're looking at Okay, so you name the big three, right,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: and then you're looking at like I was always pretty
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: good and kind of a tough out. Wisconsin any given
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: year can be a problem. Michigan State is in a
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: mess right now. But you didn't think that was gonna
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: be the case, right and you had no idea that
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Indiana was gonna be what Indiana is now. So now
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: it's like you're gonna be You're playing for fifth or sixth.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: The USC bec as Oregon joined in, Indiana's now at power.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: So whether you believe it was Notre Dame or USC,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: or whether they're equally at fault, the important thing here
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: is that again the adults in the room, these fictitious
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: characters that keep referring to on this show, have forgotten
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: what makes college football special and unique. If you want
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: college football to become NFL, light to become minor league NFL,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: you will eventually turn off the fan bases. You will
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: eventually lose your status, You will eventually lose your place
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: in the fabric of American sports culture. If all you
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: become is a developmental league for the NFL, with no
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: respect to the home fans, no respect to the traditions,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: no respect to the rivalries. Then you're just going to
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: be a lesser version of the NFL. And how have
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: we treated lesser versions of the NFL in America for
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: fifty years?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: You give them kind of a shot, you turn them
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: on for two weeks, you realize exactly what they are
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: is lesser, lesser versions of the NFL, and then you're
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: just like, all right, I don't need this. That's what's
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: happened to the UFL, the AFL, the XFL, the USFL.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're just if you create this model where
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: tradition and history are no longer respected, even with scheduling,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: then at some point the fan base it like, will
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I ever be out on college football all the way?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Realistically? No, probably not.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: But as the twenty one year old fan that used
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: to be indoctrinated through games like USC Notre Dame, through
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: games like Bedlam, through games that are now through the
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Civil War game, through games that now are either de emphasized,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: made unimportant, or completely gone, if those people do not
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: have that sucking them in and don't have the road
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: trips with their buddies. They're Oregon Duck students and they
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: got the road trip with the buddies to go to
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Palo Alto and to drive down the coast to USC. I.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Guess you could still do that in the Big Ten,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: or to get on a short flight and see what
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: it's like at Rice Cycle Stadium, because when you're in college,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you're not going to Rutgers and you're probably not being
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: able to afford traveling across the country to the Shoe
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: most of the time.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: You have to respect what got us here as college
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: football fans in usc A, Notre Dame, and the television
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: networks in the College Football Playoff Committee have set up
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: a system where now it's just pointing fingers at each other. Well,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: you're the reason it's gone, but the main point is
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: it's gone and it doesn't benefit anybody. All Right, We
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: got to take a break.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Gordya. Chaz is gonna join us.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Next.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: We'll talk a little NBA basketball.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Tabernardi JT is gonna join us for Red and
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Blue on the basketball side of things today. Jeff Schwartz
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: a little bit later in the program, it's a Tuesday
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: on ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWEFM.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Peace Out.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: NBA than idiom Us will ever know. Not get crazy,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the day A list today. Here's oc with basketball sob
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: on Gordy chias on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Hey Christmas time.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: This song means Gordon Chiers is coming on.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: He's our NBA expert.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: He's a friend of the program.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: He's brought to you by our friends at Aladdin Industries.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Gordigier's are welcome back. How are you, sir?
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: I am doing fine, Sean, thank you and thanks for introduction.
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: As far as police have, Big Doctor, all off France,
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: including yourself and change Peace and all the people at
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: the end of the building, and also all off fans
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: around the state watching this and listen to this all
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: the time.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I will echo that sentiment.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Gordy Jazz Grizzlies tonight at the Delta Center.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: What do you expect?
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: I checked Jess to win and bounce back on last night,
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: So tough game against the Devia Nuggets. The Grizzlies are
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: banged up, Sewan, like all teams are. I get that,
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: but these guys are extremely banged up. So they're eight
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: guys out. I'm not going to lift all of them,
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: just the key guys. So the Grizzies are missing eight
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: guys in the lineup, including John Moran and Zach Edy,
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: and so they're both out and out playing. A guy
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: named Tidjerome who they signed with the Cavaliers, who played
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: very well from them last year, had not played a
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: minute this year for them, So I expect the Jazz
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: to They got back around probably two o'clock this morning.
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: Also so did the Grizzlies. They played last night at
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: Okay See where they lost. They lost them by nineteen points,
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: so I expect the Jazz to really play well. How
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: do you play well? Sean's got the three point line
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: the Jazz last night versus then, But you saw the
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: game where the Jazz allowed twenty four made three point shots,
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: So that tells us that the line of defense on
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: the ball was getting beat all the time and that
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: the Jazz were slow to rotate. So tonight's game should
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: be the opposite sheld a better defense on the ball
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: and also fire out to the corners the challenge a
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: three point shot.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about the role that three point
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: shooting plays in NBA basketball now in basketball at every level.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Now are teams better at defending perimeter shots and better
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: at defending the three point shot than they ever were.
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: No, so, and unfortunately no, And the answer is because, well,
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: a lot of times the shooters defend themselves because guys
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: are taking elevis three point shots. So a lot of
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: times it's deceiving. You know where hey, so and so
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: defense meaning as a group, was really good. And the
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: answer is it really wasn't just that the people taking
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: shots because they not ready to they mentally as shot
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: makers and they fling them up. So the answer is
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: absolutely no, but the better teams do. In other words,
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: it all starts on ball containment. So you've got to
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: be able to guard the ball and not get recklessly
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: so easily off to dribble, and that compromise you your defense.
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: So the Jets have to improve that. They struggle last
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: year and right now. The Jets defense they love the
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: most NBA three point shots made per game, so their
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: rank number thirty and they've got to try to correct that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Gordy, We're coming up on Christmas and the NBA kind
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: of owns Christmas from a sporting standpoint. Let's talk about
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: your favorite NBA Christmas story, the best game you've seen,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: maybe the best player performance, because if you read some
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: of the articles, you read what people say about it,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: it's like folks at the NBA are appreciative of the
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: stage that you get on Christmas, but of course you're
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: missing Christmas or your Christmas plans with the family or compromised.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: So sounds like there's a little bit of a love
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: hate relationship.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, very much. Also, but TV loves it because think
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: about it, it's the casual fan so showing it's like
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: we'll go Sunday where even people don't don't really follow
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: the NFL, which I know is hard to believe, but
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: some people don't. Is that don't watch the game as
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: almost like a as a spectator. And that's also the
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: on Christmas Day where the NBA has five games and
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: it's absolutely critical as far as them are popping up
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: as far as on the screen to generate besides revenue
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: by the sponsorships, but also the casual fan, and so
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: it's a huge factor and also a player standpoint, it's
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: really a great way to grow your individual brand and
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: your platform, and that a lot of times with these
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: guys through showing, they break out new sneaker brands, so
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: suddenly their their signature sneaks you. They'll wait until Christmas
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: Day to show it on the air. And also a
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: lot of times the teams they have new jerseys too,
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: especially made jerseys for Christmas Day, so it's really happening.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: We call this the Santa Claus Day meaning as far
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: as the games and my memory bank of Jazz basketball
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: showing is that the Jazz had played eight times on
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: Christmas Day, both in New Orleans and also as a
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: franchise and also the Jazz there's six and two of
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: those games. The last time the Jazz played on Christmas
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: Day was twenty twenty one, where they beat the Dallas
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: Mavericks at home. I remember when I was a coach
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: for the Jazz of sixteen years that we played the
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: Houston Rockets back in nineteen ninety seven. So the ninety
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: seven ninety eight season was the Jazz lost to the
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: second time in a row to the Bulls, of the
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: World Championship. Our teams able to beat Alajahu on Clyde
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: direction on those guys at home, and that was a
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: tremendous win for the Jazz. So it doesn't matter for
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: the coaches and the players. It's a big thing how
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: wherever you are from your family. Last point about that,
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: often though, on Christmas Day, the teams fly the whole
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: families on their charter to be with their with their
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: loved ones the day before Christmas, so that's important factor.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Also, I'm reading about ESPN's got an interesting article about
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: exactly this, about how the time of day that you
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: play that game also kind of really affects because if
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: you're the last game of the day, coaches and players
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: don't like being the last game of the day because
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: then you got to wait around all day.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Games over late ish and your Christmas is over.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: If you play earlier, right then as soon as the
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: game's over, you can schedule the festivities, you can do
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: the dinners, you can do whatever else. But being the
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: last game of the day sounds like it would be
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a pain.
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, very much. And with that said, that game will
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: be in Denver, Minnesota at Denver so that's the last
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: day of the day for Christmas Day, and so those
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: guys are in await a long time. So Nikolai Jamal
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: Murray would have just played last night against Anthony Edwards,
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: Rudy Gobert and that crew with Minnesota. So they did
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: that purposely. And so it's the star power. So the
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: first game is Cleveland and New York, so donmin Mitchell,
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: New Yorker goes back to play in the Garden. Then
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: another world heavyweight, Dallas versus Golden State. We know about
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: Steph Curry, all the crew, Jimmy Butler, but more importantly
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: right now, Hooper Flagg. And then there's the mother of
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: war games, Sean san Antonio at ok City Thunder. So
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: the Spurs versus the Thunder. So now we're talking all
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: the young stars in the NBA, Wembyamba, Stephen Castle, Cha Jose,
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: Alexander chet, Holmegrim, all the guys, Jalen Williams. So that's
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: the game that star power. And then Houston Rockets versus
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: the LA Lakers. Lebron Lebron as far As and Luca
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: Dante's I think is not going to play. So we
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: Lebron almost by himself because Austin reaches hurt also right now,
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: so the Rockets with Kevin Durant and that those guys.
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: So it's a happening for every level. It's a coming
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: out party for the for the NBA and for the players.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: Even though they're missing Christmas, they're going to try to
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: They're going to try to do with their families either
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: before Christmas Eve or later on during the day.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Corty big picture stuff here, What do you think of
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: the recent proposals to combat tanking in the NBA? The
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: bullet points are you know, they could limit pick protections
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: to either top four or fourteen and higher because the
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: mid lottery projections being or protections, I should say, being
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: kind of strange. A rule to potentially not allow a
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: team to draft in the top four two years in
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: a row, I don't know how you pull that off,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: and then locking lottery positions before the season is over
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: to prevent you know, late season tanking.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: What do you think of these?
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: The first one I like, Well, number two and three
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: I don't like. So the number two you mentioned about
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: it as far as you can't pick in the top
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: four two years in a row, and that's absolutely they'll
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: never get through as far as the committee. Never as
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: far as you know, a committee means right the NBA ownership,
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: the border governors. And the last thing you mentioned for
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: about as of March first, that's when your lock in
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: and they're trying to have the players not miss games,
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: but they'll miss games anyway after March first. And also
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: it's the integrity of doing right now. See the problem
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: right now is I have no problem player missing game
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: it he's injured. But if the guy's not injured, and
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: that's what happened over the years, the last ten years,
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: is that everybody was arresting people. And the NBA TV
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: partner says, wait a second, we're not paying billions of
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: dollars for the star players to rest with all production
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: right now. The first one it affects the jets Sean
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: also in the present tense, so i'll read it to
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: you that is that either being in the top four
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: pick or top fourteen projection instead of the mid level
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: as far as mid level lottery, so for example, one
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: through four you finish it's okay. Well four through fourteen
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: is that it's not okay, and that there's no there's
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: no protection that we make a trade so you make
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: a trade a year earlier, it's protected four through fourteen.
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: Now it's not anymore, and that would affect the Jets.
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: The Jets to protected this year sewn. They have one
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: through eight, but wherever they finish is that they're going
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: to get their pick. The ninth pick goes if they
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: finished nine, it goes to the ok seat Thunder. So
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: that's the one that affects the Jazz. And again it's
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: all based on teams losing on purpose, and that's where
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: that's a factor that the NBA is trying to eliminate
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: or definitely slow down.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: They also talked about trying to protect the insider information
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: more successfully because of you know, some of the gambling
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: stuff that happened with leaks being out there. Hey so
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: and so is not going to play, Hey bet this
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: on this because this guy's not available or whatever. Is
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: there a realistic way that you can be even more
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: careful about team sensitive injury information leaking to the really
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say the public, but really it's
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: the gamblers.
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: The answer is yes, said they'll do a more education
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: about it. It's always been a factor. So for example,
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: you're a player or a coach and one of your
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: best friends, your next door neighbor, you know you see
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: every single minute of the day, but you don't know
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: if he's what kind of gambling is He says, he's
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: so innocently it's so and so plain tonight, and you
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: say he's out. He't. He didn't play in the walk through.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: He's not going to play, So suddenly he doesn't bet
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: maybe perhaps, but one of his friends bet and he
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: tells that person casually, so it's almost like a third party,
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: and that person bets on the game. So the answer
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: is even your best closest bugs, you can't tell. You
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: can't tell if so and so is injured not playing
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: that night. So it's more education and absolutely more alertness
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: and awareness that people are well intended. You just can't say.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It, Gordy. What's the list today?
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: All right? List today, Sean. It's about Christmas, Santa Claus,
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: your favorite holiday besides Valentine's Day. Here we go. What
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: do you laughing at, Sean? I know you're you're you're
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: budding romantic emphasized budding.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've got good information on that one, Gordy,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: but I do love Christmas.
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: I can sense it. I can sense your your love
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: of your love of your your life and your family,
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: and also your love of James Peterson turb I'm a head.
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: There's the list today, Sean, and the listener is the
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: all time career scoring leaders for Christmas Day Games all
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: time Korea Santa claus Games number ten all time walked
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: bet only turn thirty seven points did he played in
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: Christmas Day nine times. Number nine Dolph Chase turned thirty
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: nine points. He played on Christmas Day thirteen times. Number
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: eight Shaquille O'Neill total points two seventy two. He played
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: in thirteen Christmas Day games. Number seven James Harden two
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: seventy three points. He played in eleven Christmas Day games.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: Number six Russell Westbrook with a total of two hundred
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: and eighty eight tallies. He played in thirteen Christmas Day
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: games Number five all time, Dwayne Wade, he scored three
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: hundred and fourteen point thirteen Christmas Day games. Number four
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: He's gonna play on Thursday. Kevin Durant fourth all time,
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: three hundred and forty two career points on Sena claus
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: Day twelve Christmas games Number three all time, Oscar Robinskin
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: three hundred and seventy seven points in twelve Christmas Day
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: games for an average up thirty one point four points
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: per game. Number two all time greatest ever Christmas Day
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: scorer Kobe Bryant three hundred and ninety five points. He
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: played in sixteen Christmas Day games. He averaged twenty four
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: points six points per game. And the number one player
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: of all time to play ever on Christmas Day. This
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: will be his twentieth appearance when he plays for the
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: LA Lakers on Thursday, is Lebron. James Lebron has scored
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: five hundred and seven Christmas Day points. He's played in
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: nineteen times already He's averaged twenty five point one points
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: per game his record, so with nineteen times he did
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: it be twenty on a Thursday. His record as far
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: as winning eleven wins eight losses. Thus that's my Christmas
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: Day list of the year. But also add to that,
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: the greatest ever points single game by a player on
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: Christmas Day was Bernard King. He scored sixty points on
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: Christmas Day versus Archwivel the Nets back in nineteen eighty four.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: And by the way, he scored sixty on Christmas Day
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: and his team did lose.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Though lebron James has played how many Christmas Days in
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: a row?
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: Nineteen?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: That's insane.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: He's got kids who have never had like a Christmas
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: Day without dad working on Christmas Day?
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: Right, very much. And also so they did they do
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: a story right now about Bronnie James growing up with
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: his dad side on Christmas. And also Steph Curry also
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: talking about his dad Del Curry when he went Christmas
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: when he was growing up, he was playing also, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: so it's interesting how both both as a player talking
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: about their dad's playing on Christmas. Yes, you know in
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: the NFL is that it's Thanksgiving Day with the NFL
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: rules on Thanksgiving Day. So it's all part of television.
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: This is a reality. Everybody turns the TV set on,
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: maybe not all day long, but they're watching games in between,
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: in between eating and talking about what's going on.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Are you you prefer a white Christmas, Gordy or you
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: okay with no snow on Christmas Day?
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: No white Christmas? Absolutely? You know, I'm not a scientist,
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: but it's right now, it's outside, what it's about fifty
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: eighth degrees outside, it's crazy. Yeah, white, white Christmas, and
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: you know with Christmas also they historically they don't do
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: it recently, but historically we used to always play on
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: a pre pre Christmas East Coast road trip. So remembery
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: bank of Christmas. Sean was also getting at three o'clock
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: in the morning from Toronto or Cleveland, either on December
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: twenty third or the twenty fourth, after being a five
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: or six or seven game road trip. And that was
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: done purposely by Frank Laydon when he was general manager.
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: He requested the NBA schedule makers that the Jazz always
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: wanted to play pre Christmas away so that they would
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: be home on Christmas Day not playing. So all the
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: players that lived in the East Coast, say in Atlanta,
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: Georgia or New York, after the last game, whether it
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: was Cleveland or Toronto or Boston, they would go literally
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: the midnight flight to get home for a day and
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: a half and then fly back. And we always practiced
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: at five o'clock on December twenty sixth, after the day
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: after Christmas, and played you most times on the twenty seventh.
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: So I was smart by Frank Laydon, and generally speaking, Sean,
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: the Jazz played great on that road t It was
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: six games maybe five to one. It was seven games
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: two as well as winning.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Gordy, have a merry Christmas, appreciate your time as.
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: Always, Thank you, piece out, stay well.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Little Christmas. Peace out from Gordy. All right, we'll take
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: a quick one here. Look, definitively, without any argument, I
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: have narrowed down the top five Christmas movies of all
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: time and the top five Christmas songs of all time.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: And I will hear no pushback on any of these,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: all right, or get your fingers ready. Eight seven seven
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: three five three zero seven hundred. It's the Shat O'Connell
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Show on ESPN seven hundred ninety to one FM.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: You tune to the Shan O'Connell Show for the Murdock
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred.
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: And a half.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Am Christmas.
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: That's the island greeting that we sound from the land
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: web Palm.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: I mean those are the Dulphin Tis of Bing Crosby.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: I probably knew that already.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: This is the number one.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Christmas song on my list at Rio Sports, and.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: It is uh.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: It is a list I will not hear any argument on. Okay,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: I did the top five Christmas movies and the top
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: five Christmas songs. This is song number one, Number two
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Joy to the World. Okay, come on, gotta get some
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: hymns in there. Number three, Run Run Rudolph, Number four
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: White Christmas.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Maybe I just really like bing Crosby, is what I'm learning.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: And who doesn't this time of year? Really, it's like
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: bing Crosby, Mariah Carey and Michael Buble. It's like, who,
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: how do you not like those three this time of year?
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Number five Little Drummer Boy, the David Bowie Bing Crosby duet.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: It is incredibly unlikely and it is a beautiful song.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Auniable Mention goes to Fairytale of New York by the Pogues.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's not incredibly popular in the United States,
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: but the singer of this song died like five years
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: ago around this time of year, and so they were
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: just bumping it like crazy, and it is uh. I
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: like songs that are, you know, the storytelling songs of
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: course with no name kind of thing. And that one's
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: about a guy who wakes up on Christmas Eve in
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: a drunk tank jail. Yeah, that's awesome and sings Kelly
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: on that theme. Two of the better storytelling Ones Ones
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: very much a kid's song that's still fantastic. The Royal Guardsman,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: the Snoopy and the Red Barren. Yeah, Christmas Bells I
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: think might be the name of it. Something else his
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: storytelling about Snoopy.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Versus the Red Bear in there.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: And then have you heard the Garth Brooks Have you
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: heard Garth Brooks Silent Night where he tells the story
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: of the German soldiers and American soldiers. I think it's
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: called the Christmas ceasefire in World War One.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: When they played soccer on the field between the trenches.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: They stopped, they stopped the trench warfare for Christmas and
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: they ate and played it.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Garth Brooks nails it with his version.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: He kind of think I've heard that. I want to
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: hear that. He does a narrative story. He doesn't sing
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: the story. He just he tells the story and then
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: he sings the and then he sings Silent Night.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Interspersed throughout it. It's it's fantastic. Oh, I like that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Frosty the Snowman also an excellent narrative song. Yes, it
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: tells a good story. Absolutely.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: Now watch the cartoon, by the way, for the first
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: time in a really long time.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: My list of Christmas movies has already gotten a significant
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: amount of pushback on Instagram and on Twitter. Number five
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: I'll go backwards this time. Number five, Rootolf the Red
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Nose Reindeer, the stop motion one. You know what I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: you con Cornelius. Oh yeah, it's gonna be on our
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: TVs all day. I think they started Christmas Eve right
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: or is it just on Christmas anyway? Root Off the
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Red Nose Reindeer is an absolute classistic. It's such a
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: classic that another movie on this list copied the animation
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: style for portions of another movie on this list. Okay, okay.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Number four The Holiday. I know this is a modern
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: it's not exactly a classic. Holiday is fantastic. Tell me
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: that that movie comes on and you you can physically
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: make yourself to turn away from you can't incredible movie.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Jack Black does the It's one of his rare, like
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: mostly serious roles, but he's also in like a normal
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: way funny.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: You will nail.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: You will never find a movie where the lead actors
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: are more charming on every front. Totally agree. Kate Winslet
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: makes you fall in love with her. Cameron Diaz I mean,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know how old she was when they filmed
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: that movie, but just like it's like the mask all
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: over again.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: What you're just like, whoa, who's that? And Jude Law
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: is criminally handsome.
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  Speaker 5: All right, every woman in your life loves the holiday,
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: and they all will point out I love Jude Law.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: They will.
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  Speaker 4: Number Three, White Christmas just an unbelievable againsby, speaking of
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: I think, I think Ben Crosby's heavily influential here in
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: my in My Christmas Loar, White Christmas.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Great movie.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: It's got all the themes love, romance, music, war, It's
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: all in there in White Christmas, christ Like, charity whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Incredible.
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  Speaker 4: Number two, Elf, one of Will Ferrell's greatest performances.
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  Speaker 5: Is this the one you're talking about with the animation.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: I was gonna joke that that's what I was gonna
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: make that joke, but you were You're serious about that?
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, buddy, Hope you find your dad.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: The narwhale and all the other North Pole creatures are
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: done in the animation style of Rudolph the Rednoll Arctic Puffin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: And then number one, And if you're not a fan
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: of R rated movies, you can't really watch this one.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: But Love Actually is just a perfect Christmas movie, a
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: little bit of everything for everyone. Love stories of all types,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: and they're all juxtaposed against one another.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: They're all linked to the characters.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: You don't even really find out until later on in
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: the movie that so and so is the brother of
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: so and so is the ex wife of so and so.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: It's great, an amazing movie, incredibly well written.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Also, how can you not like h Grant? Hugh Grant
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: also in that movie.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I don't like about it, but you
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: got to accept it. They make the American President kind
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: of the villain Hugh Grant story. But Billy pop Thornton
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: plays an excellent lecherous president. He does he does so
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: kind of like his performance. You're like, yeah, that actually
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: makes sense.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize, guy. I watched Love Actually for the
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: first time a couple of years ago. I didn't realize
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: that was like the original of like I think Valentine's
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: Day was the next one with the ensemble like just
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: no one's really a star, but we're all we're all
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: a list stars in this intertwined storyline movie. I didn't
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: realize that was the original one, and it happened to
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: be a British.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Two thousand and three just peak British cinema that is
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: just totally mainstream, incredible, well written, well executed.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: And I launched a bunch of other ensemble A list
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: star movies. I mean, Liam Neeson's in it, that's true.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: Emma Thompson's in it. Who's the guy who plays Bilbo
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: in The Hobbit and he's he's a main character.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Well, he's what what's his name? Colin Firth is in it?
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: Although Colin Firth is not who we're thinking of here.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Colin Firth also fantastic anyway. Who plays Bilbo? Yeah, I'm
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: looking at M's he's an avenger Martin. Martin Freeman's in it.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: He's all over the place ever since, particularly ever since
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: the Hobbit movies. He is in the Black Panther films.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Hear a Nightley's in it. She would tell Edgy four
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: is in it.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: There's just all these people that are huge, huge actors
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: that are in that movie as all those kind of
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: bit parts that I'll fit. Who's the guy the Sheriff
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: of Nottingham, Alan Rickman.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Alan Rickman legend. He's in it.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Rest in peace, all right. So yeah, that's the best.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: That's the list of best Christmas movies. The honorable mention
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: go to The Grinch, the Jim Carrey edition, which this
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: is all a product of my marriage.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: My wife's family. All of them love this movie. It's fantastic.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: How can you not like it's good?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: But they love it in a way that is like
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: almost obnoxious. But because they reference it so often and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: they watch it so often, it's like wormed into my brain.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: And now I kind of like it. It kind of
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: like feels Christmasy to me, and my kids love it
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: because of my wife's family, so now I love it too.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: And then Gremlins Man, Gremlins is the most underrated of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: all Christmas movies because people.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: Don't realize it's a Christmas movie. I didn't realize that.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Also on that theme, did you realize? I didn't realize
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: un till we started the show. For some reason, I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: was thinking of this. Do you realize Hook is a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Christmas themed movie?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: At least at the beginning? Is that true?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: The baseball the baseball literallygue baseball game that he made
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: because he's a workaholic, is what is called what oh see,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: it's called the Santa Series. Okay, and they're visiting Granny
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Wendy for Christmas? Is that amazing? I didn't even realize that.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Like die Hard is a Christmas it's the hook? Is
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: this Christmas movie the same way Diehard is?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: There? You go? So what?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Seventy five one six says explanation for the exclusion of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Home Alone and die Hard from the list.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Look hold Alone, that's.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: True that I don't know how that soud hold the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: phone here, all right.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: You can't just put every great Christmas movie on the list.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: It's a top five, right.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: The problem with Home Alone is, even in the era
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: pre cell phone, it's just too easy to fix those problems,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's your wire take
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: coming back. Well, Kevin McAllister just like has no viable
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: neighbors that he can ask for help.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Really, he's got this scary old man who he thinks
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: is a murderer.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's the only neighbor that exists in his affluent
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: Chicago suburb neighborhood. By the way, in a time when
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: we actually knew and talked to our neighbors, it's just
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: too easy to fix all those problems at home alone.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: So I never was able, even as a kid, I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: was never able to get on board with it.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, spoiler alert, the old man neighbor is not a murderer.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: A thirty five forty eight says The Holiday You.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: I'm mosing a little bit of respect for youc Come on, man,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: excuse me.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: It's not in my top five, but it is undenyingly
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: a great Christmas movie.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: Look, I will stand on the principle of that. I
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: will die on the hill of the Holiday.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: It is a.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Completely rew You could watch that movie in June and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: still enjoy yourself.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Is it time for me to reveal my hilarious guilty
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: pleasure Christmas movie again? Yeah, I'll be home for Christmas.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Jessica Biele, you gotta all right, I'll
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: watch anything with Jessica bil seventh seven year at Jessica
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: Bill Home Improvement. Here at Jonathan Taylor Thomas, going way back. Yeah,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: it's it's I can't help but like that movie.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: All right, that's fine.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Christmas in the Trenches says twenty nine eighty six, originally
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: written and performed by John McCutcheon. That is the the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: Garth Brooks one. You were okay Christmas in the trenches,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Christmas to you.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: I've only heard the Garth Brooks version. I have to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: check out the original.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: I just got a text from Okay, alright, Spen's check
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: its just texted this, not to the text line, because
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: he's too good for our text line, but to my
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: personal cell phone. The holiday is an atrocious piece of cinema.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: You know what, Spence, I don't think he likes joy,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: oh Sie. I don't think he likes feeling good at Christmas.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: I think that's somebody who's feeling a little grinchy about
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: the concept of true love.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, true love at Christmas time.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: All right, he'll he'll feel better about that at some
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: point and then he'll love the holiday.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Zero one nine six. Christmas Vacation is the end all
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: be all for me. Muppet Christmas Carol is one that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: came in a couple of times to me, that's coming
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: in from zero three zero three.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Look, Christmas Vacation a little bit riskue in parts.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: I was not allowed to watch that when I was
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: a kid, and so I did not develop the same
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: affection for it.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: It's not as risky as the other vacation movies, but
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: there's some there's at least one part, and.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: It's also not as risk as Love actually, but that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: came out when I was an adult. Good point, there's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: there's full there's full of nudity in Love Act, which
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: is crazy for a Christmas movie. If you think about it,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: there's probably only like three Christmas movies that have that. Anyway,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: I love hearing from you eight seven seven three five
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: three zero seven hundred. If your opinion is to deride
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: the holiday, I don't love.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: Hearing from you.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, we're way over time.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: We'll start our number two with JT.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Tabernari joins us for some Red and Blue on
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  Speaker 4: Here's a alright way to test whether or not running
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: on Rudolph is one of the greatest Christmas songs of
• 1:06:03
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• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: who've never heard it before. Watch them start moving, all right,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: just watch him. Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 10: Hey, man, I totally get it.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 9: It's almost like, you know, Utah fans going to Utah
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: County as they see why in the mountain, it's like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: Broto and Sam, you know, staring at Mordor you know
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: what I mean.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: And so I get it, Man, I totally get it.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I want to ask you something.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: I keep hearing stuff about, you know, potential number one
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: pick aj Debonsa, likely top pick, AJ de Bonsa, a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: guy who could eventually be one of the top picks
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: in the NBA draft AJ Debonsa. And when I watch
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Ada Debonsa play, I'm looking at it going, why are
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: we saying potentially this, this dude is gonna be the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: number one guy? Am I wrong that assessment?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: So, I, you know, not just sound like a complete homer.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: I do understand.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: Why people say the same thing about Kim Boozer. And
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 9: have you had a chance Seawn to watch Kim Boozer
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 9: this season.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I've only watched like eight minutes of cam Booser, I.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: Think, yeah, And so I get why they say the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 9: potential number one pick because you know, in all fairness,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: cam Boozer is playing like a Derek Favors the Marco's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: cousin type of player right now in terms of he
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 9: is efficient, he is solid in the low post.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: He's unstoppable.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 9: So I understand why people say potential because you're never
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: going to know how that ping punk ball drops, right,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: I get it. And so but to your point, Sean,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 9: you have games last night. You know, I was working
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: that game with you know, our family of networks ESPN,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: and he has a thirty point triple double with thirty
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: three points, ten rebounds and assists, and you go like,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: who in their right mind you know who? You know
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: what in the Nico Harrison are we doing here if
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: not saying that he is the unanimous number one pick?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: And so I agree with you, you know, being present yesterday
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: as all of that unfolded, and you know.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: To an interesting perspective.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 10: I know we're gonna talk a little bit more on.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: The show about how BYU, you know, played Eastern Washington
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 9: compared to how Utah did. But the last couple of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 9: games AJ has had to put BYU in his back
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 9: almost for them to win a game against a lesser opponent,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: but nonetheless seeing him doing it in person and so effortlessly,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: it is a sight to see.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about this Eastern Washington team that did
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: play against Utah and BYU. They gave more than one
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: hundred points to both teams, and like, I don't know
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: how many times you was going to score one hundred
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: points this season. It's not going to be an incredibly
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: common occurrence. BYU looks like they're a little bit better
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: right now, but I don't I don't see them scoring
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: one hundred and nine a lot of times this year,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: especially this week into Big Twelve play. I mean, is
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: Eastern Washington just that bad defensively?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: So interesting enough?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 9: I you know, I think that they are a team
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: that just runs a lot. Their tempo is you know,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: around the one hundred ranking in a country, which is
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: really really good, and uh, you know, I think it's
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: one of those times, you know, I watched film on
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: the Utah game, and I know.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 10: That Utah has had you know, somewhat of.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: An odd start to the Alex Jensen era.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 10: But it's a me Sean. It felt like one of
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 10: those times that you.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: Thought, just things just click, and for Eastern Washington things
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: did not click.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: And so whereas for BYU, you know, the offensive power
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 9: that they have with AJD Bonsa, with Richie Saunders and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: with Robert Wright third and then less night. They had
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: a fourth player, which is Conard Davis Junior. You know,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: a little bit of a controversy surrounding.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: Him earlier in the year. But those four players really
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: stepped up yesterday.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 9: And obviously, you know, the you know, the Three Kings
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: as you know, they're they're about to be called, you know,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: the Big Three for BUYU. It's interesting that a fourth player.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: Stepped up and they played so well. And comparing that
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: to the.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 9: B Y to the Utah game, Eastern Washington shot the
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 9: ball much better against BYU than they did against Utah,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: you know, and so but obviously you know, with you know,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: the red and blue going across enemy lines, you know,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 9: to the segments, it is interesting to see the comparisons
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: of like, hey, how do they play Utah?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: How did they play b YU? And I think you're
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: spot on.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 9: I think b YU themselves may not score thir you know,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 9: one hundred points in a game in the conference in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 9: many times, you know, out of the eighteen games, I
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 9: would be surprised if they get to the hunter Port mark,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: you know, you know, in six of those games.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: That's just my honest opinion.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Look, the record for BYU is excellent. Right now.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: It feels like, uh, maybe with rare exception, and perhaps
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Eastern Washington is one of those games because like you said,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: AJ had to shoulder maybe more of a low than
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: people are comfortable with. But it looks like this BYU
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: team is kind of getting what they wanted out of
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: some of the commits, obviously from AJ getting right to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: come in from Baylor. It looks like this roster is
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: kind of producing the way we thought that it would.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: But but now we start to find out right January third,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: you get into conference play, is BYU basketball at the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: spot they need to be rounding into the Big Twelve,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: which I still think is the best conference in college basketball.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: Absolutely. You know, I think a lot a lot, you know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: football is king you and.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 9: I know that for both of our schools, you know,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 9: and I think there's a lot of talk, you know,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 9: surrounding football.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: About you guys should have.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 9: Been in and YU and Notre Dame. And you know
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: we all hear about the SEC. Well, Sean, we get
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: to the demintely, you know, Bragg that the Big twelve
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: is the SEC of basketball. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 9: like the SEC of football for basketball, we get to
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: say that, and so very interesting enough, I will actually
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: say that I don't think b y U is where
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: they wanted to be or that where they hope to be,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 9: you know, basketball wise, you know, as conference play starts,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: and the rego for that is simple.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: B YU has.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: Had to rely heavily on their top, on their big three,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: and simply because of injury, you know, uh, they was
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 9: supposed you know, one of their point guards. They was
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: supposed to be, uh, you know, the main pit off
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: the bench to be able to give Robert right the
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: third the transfer for Bailer, a lot of a lot of.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: Rest that's not happening, and he's out for the season.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 9: Then the next man up, Dawson Baker, a senior experience
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 9: SR who's had to overcome a lot of trials. He
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: was stepping up, you know, to a big time road,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 9: had some really big.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 10: Games for by U all the way up to you know.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 9: The game after they played Upon where Dawson came in
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 9: and almost helped the BYU wieled them to win. And
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: then Dawson has us has a season and injury with
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 9: an ACL and so I personally don't think they are
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: where they need to be because sure you can win,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: you know, you can win a lot of games with
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 9: a big three, But for this BYU team to achieve
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: the goals that they have, and you know, honestly, if
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: they don't make to the sweet sixty, I think this
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 9: season is a failure.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: I know it's crazy to hear, but you know, in
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 10: this day.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: And age of NIL, how the the roster has been constructed,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 9: and the expectation around the players and the caliber of
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: the players, especially now that they even added a G
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: League player in that Bulah, And so you know, to me,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: this BYU team needs at least another one consistent player
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: to be able to you know, to have and reach
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: the heights that they're hoping to reach.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Last year, Richie Saunders was the guy that had to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: do a lot of heavy lifting, and it that's been
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: spread out right now, AJ is sort of the main
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: driver with the scoring.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Rob Wright is more than capable.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: Is Richie Saunders in an appropriate level of emphasis, in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: an appropriate role in this BYU season?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: For you?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: You know what's crazy, Sean, is is you know all
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: of the things that you just shared about Richie and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: all of the accolades that he had last year, you know,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: first Team, all Big twelve, you know, a borderline All
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 9: American in a conversation for Player of the Year. His
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: numbers are better this year. That's what's scary about this
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 9: BYU team, right in a good way, in a bad way,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: in a good way because here you have Ajd Bonsa,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: who is second in the.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: Country in sporing had you.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: Know, the youngest player ever in NCAA history, to have
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: a thirty point triple double, breaking all of these records,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: setting the bar so high. And nonetheless, you know, Richie
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: is still better than he was last year. Now, the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: reason why I say that this is incredibly you know
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: this is you know, scary good and scary bed is
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 9: you know that I just shared the good. The bed
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 9: is if one of those guys go down, Sean, the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 9: conversation that you and I will be having you will
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 9: be extremely different. You know it is going to be
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 9: a you know, a near one eighty experience for the
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 9: BYU team. That's how heavily they trust on you know,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 9: they're well not trust but that they are counting on
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 9: those guys to make it happen now and so but
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 9: you know, a player like Richie Saunders, you know, it's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 9: it's a conversation that it's even worth having. And I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: won't go too much into football because you probably know
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 9: more about soccer, Sean, than I know about football.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: And and and I will say this. You know, Tom.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 10: Brady has hinted about this, and we're seeing.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 9: With with Philip Rivers being you know, having the time
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 9: to develop, having the experience, you know, having the opportunity
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 9: to slowly grow into a row. We're witnessing that with
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: our own eyes with Richie Saunders, right. And and in
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: this day and age of nil, where you can start
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: at a Division three, you can move through Division one,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 9: you can move to a North Carolina or a Duke
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 9: just and continuously to make more money. You know that
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: development is going away of understanding the program of understanding.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: Hey, you know I'm staying here. I know how the
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: coach works, I know how the offense works. I know
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: how my environment works.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 9: It's one of the reasons that make that made the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 9: Majeri's ear so special that you know, there was that continuation,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: there was that process, and so to me, Richie Saunders
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 9: is a big time by product of you know, one
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: of the less you know Mohicans too, to go through
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 9: college for the four years and staying at the same place.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: I mean half of me applauds the idea that you
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: can climb the ladder if you were under recruited out
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: of high school or wherever and you're better than the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: level that you're competing at. I love that guys can
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: move up. Look, I also took advantage of the fact
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: that you could move down if.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: You needed to. I had to do that in my career.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: But I don't love what you're talking about, and I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: echo the sentiment of I think a lot of people
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: now that you don't have to go through any kind
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: of crucible, any development. You don't you don't have to
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: learn the systems the way that you used to, and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: that I think that's to the detriment of the sport.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: In a lot of cases. Individual teams benefit from it, certainly,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: but I don't know that it makes the sport better.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 9: And to this point that you're going, you're one hundred
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 9: percent right, and we're totally aligned on this.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, look at Benny Hardaway.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: I don't know if you saw just on the news
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: that Benny Hardaway is now fire players, you know, for
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 9: breaking team rules, for being late, for missing practice. And
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: you know, the concept of college athletics has changed so drastically.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: Right, I've always been.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: In favor of being players, you know, and in full transpiracy.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 9: I am not one of those guys that you know,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: says hey, I'm jealous that I didn't get to play
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: in an era that based players. Absolutely not, because I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 9: became who I am because of the hardships and trials
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 9: I had to overcome a YU and you.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 10: Know, like at a certain point where.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: I had a million dollar contract offer to leave early
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 9: and I decided to come back, and I was able
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: to write my name on a lot of the record
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: books at Uyu, And it's just such a different situation now.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: And you know, I don't know where your thoughts are,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 9: but to me, it is it wouldn't be complicated to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: attach changing.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: The business and the model of NIL and attach it
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: to education.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: I mean, is this a collegiate league or is it
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 9: a semi pro league? Because if you know, like just
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 9: for a second shot, I know we're going a little
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: bit too long here, but can you imagine if aj
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 9: debondser today would not pass a class and he would
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 9: be rooted ineligible for BYU. Can you imagine what would happen?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 9: Like it's it seems infendable that someone that's getting five
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 9: six seven million dollars in NIL would potentially miss a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: game because he didn't do his homework. I mean, you know,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 9: either you continue with the athletic model around the universities
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 9: in a collegiate level and you attach NIL somehow to
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: you know, your development and your improvement of you know,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: of getting grades and passing classes, or you should the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: whole thing down because you know, today the way it.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: Is, it's it's just not working.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 10: And I don't think it's a sustainable model.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: Well I don't disagree with you there, and any suggestion,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: any solution I think really could have been implemented over
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: the twenty or so years that the NCAA tried to
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: fight it, instead of realizing that this was coming and
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: it was an inevitability. Instead they were battling, battling, battling
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: lawyers were trying to push back on having to pay players,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: and they could have spent all that time, energy, money
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: effort into putting systems in place that kept college athletics, like,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know, looking like college athletics, But instead they
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: were just trying to hold all the money themselves. And
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: now where where we're at, and we can't unring the bell.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: But that's a that's a topic for an offseason. We'll
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: get to that another time before I let you go.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: What does Christmas look like in the Tabernari household? Is
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: it like, is there a Brazilian flavor on it? Or
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: have we fully commercialized you into an American Christmas?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 10: Wow?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: So Santak comes to Brazil on a surfboard riding a
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: wave with a Hawaiian shirt because you know it is
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: one hundred degrees Donnie som polo right now, of course,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: and so and so, you know, we have a few
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: traditions are where we have a really big Christmas Eve
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: dinner and also at Christmas Day lunch. That's something that
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 9: you know Americans will usually do a big Christmas Day lunch. Brazilians,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: do you know We've adapted a lot of traditions from
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 9: my wife's family, you know, who grew up in Georgia
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 9: and moves here to Utah. But one of the things
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: that I would say, Sean, you know, from being Brazilian
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 9: married an American gal, we really miss Italy, you know,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 9: for you know, I was there for my career for
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 9: templus years and I know you've talked to some of the.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: Other guys that played overseas.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 9: I really miss the little Christmas markets, you know what
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 9: I mean. And so uh, you know, I can't wait
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: for the lights to be back in all the grind
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 9: splendor in Salt Lake.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: Although growing to the Grand America's fun, but you know,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: we try to incorporate a little bit of everything. And
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: you know, but you know, no Hawaiian Christmas shirts in
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: my household anymore.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: I can tell you that, all right, j T haven't
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: merried Christmas. The same to you, your family, everyone you're
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: celebrating with.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, sir as always.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 9: A happy had the merry Christmas, Happy New Year, happy holidays.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: So everybody, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 4: Adrian Denny, Next are Mammoth Insider for a little between
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  Speaker 1: This is the Sean O'Connell show. You were home of
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  Speaker 6: Children.
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  Speaker 4: Shout out to James for the excellent DJ work as
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: a Christmas playlist brings us in our final show live
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: show of the year. Before we go on our own
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: little Christmas break, We're gonna have classic Utah football games,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: the best Kyle Whittingham games playing on air, and of
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: course there's bowl games and everything else happening over the
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: break that we'll get to.
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  Speaker 2: But right Now it's time to talk a little hockey.
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  Speaker 4: Our Mammoth insider Adrian Denny takes us between the pipes
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: here in our studio. Adrian, I love the It's not
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: an ugly Christmas sweater, but it is a it's a
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Christmas sweater of sorts.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Christmas tree hoodie.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: I did.
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  Speaker 11: I did not make the myself. People think that I
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 11: made it myself.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 11: I purchased it at Target and it's you know, it's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 11: got the garland and the glitter and the sparkles, and
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 11: I love it.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I've worn it two days in a row now. In fact,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: it's totally fine seasonal attire. Thank you.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Overtime game winner for the captain doesn't get any better
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: than that for Mammoth fans.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: How about it?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 11: Another early one fastest goal to start an overtime this
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 11: year in the NHL thirteen seconds in on Sunday. You know,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 11: when the Mammoth go to overtime, it's going to be
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 11: is Keller gonna pass to Gunther or is Gunther going
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 11: to pass to Keller and Gunther I think when everybody
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 11: thought that he was going to shoot it passed it
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 11: to the captain and Utah's now scored four of their
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 11: five overtime winners in the first minute because Sergachev, Gunther
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 11: and Keller just go out there and don't mess around.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: So how important was that win relative to the competition division,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. And honestly, the trend of what
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: this man a team that we've been talking about these
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: last couple of weeks not finding I think the level
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: of consistency the coach Bart and others would.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 11: Like, yeah, gosh, like they they did everything right and
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 11: then they made two mistakes and three to one became
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 11: three to three in twenty five seconds, and Bear called
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 11: time out and just told them, guy, it's just calmed
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 11: down and play. Just calm down and play. They went
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 11: back out, they took the game back over again and
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 11: went to overtime. But gosh, it was kind of getting
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 11: into that neighborhood again of you did everything right, and
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 11: now it's three to three in the third period, after
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 11: you've led for over fifty minutes in the game, after
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 11: going up one nothing and then he made it to nothing.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 11: Because that was the issue with the previous game Friday
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 11: night against Jersey looking great, the game was only one nothing,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 11: couldn't extend it to two nothing, and I thought they
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 11: really outplayed the Jets to a point that and they
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 11: made it three to nothing early in the second thought, okay,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 11: this is what this game should be. This is a
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 11: three nothing game. So the scoreboard is justifying how Utah's
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 11: dominated and with their speed and skill playing a team
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 11: like Winnipeg, who's the third slowest team in the NHL,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 11: Utah is the second fastest. But I thought they were
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 11: able to take over that game because they use their speed.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 11: But they also outworked Winnipeg. So sometimes you know, they
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 11: say will over skill and will beat skill when skill
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 11: doesn't work hard. And I thought it was will and
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 11: skill for the Mammoth on Sunday for ninety five percent
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 11: of that game. So it was glad to see they
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 11: could They could pull it out, take the two points,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 11: and we weren't talking about another as where you get
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 11: a point.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: So five and five in the last ten and now
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: they go up against the best team in the NHL
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: on the road. Obviously you want a win, you want
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: the points here. It's probably not won. You panic about
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: if you don't get because the Abs have been getting
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: the better of a lot of NHL squads. But what
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: do you need to see to show that the Mammoth
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: a on the right track even against a team like this.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: They've played Colorado maybe as good as anybody. Sure this year.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 11: They went in there on opening night, which I thought
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 11: was a scheduled loss. They lost to to one. It
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 11: was one to one in the third period, Nathan McKinnon
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 11: scored a power play goal.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: They won two to one.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 11: First game of the year, and the Abs had already
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 11: played and I thought it was a real tough situation
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 11: to go into.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: They that was a one goal game.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 11: Then they beat him at the Doula Center on October
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 11: twenty first, in a game where they fell behind, tied, it,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 11: took the lead, Avs tied it a couple times. And
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 11: then that was a game where Keller found Gunther in
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 11: overtime to win it in the first minute and Gunner said,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 11: passes kind of behind me. I had to kind of
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 11: retrieve that little bit there to put it to put
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 11: it at the back of that. So they've played They've
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 11: played Colorado as good as anybody. This AVS team twenty
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 11: two and seven, fourteen to zero and two at home.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 11: They haven't lost to a Western Conference team in regulation.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 11: Their only regulation losses have been to the Boston Bruins
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 11: and New York Islanders. They just went into Minnesota on
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 11: Sunday and snapped Minnesota's seven game winning streak and their
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 11: three to zero record since they made that blockbuster.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Quinn Hughes trade.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 11: I don't know, man, like Utah has played well against
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 11: him last game before Christmas, Colorado hasn't hasn't had a
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 11: dud all season. I guess they did lose six to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 11: three at the Islanders, but like they they're the best
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 11: in every single category. Like this is a team that
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 11: could have below average goaltending, and their two goalies have
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 11: as good a numbers as you'll see.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Two guys that before they.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 11: Got to Colorado were you know, a backup goalie and
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 11: another backup goalie. So everything they've done has has turned
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 11: to gold. And they they lost in the first round
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 11: last year. You remember that trade with Miko Ranton and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 11: was going all over the map last year, got rid
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 11: of him, yes, and then they lost to Miko Ranton
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 11: in seven games in the first round when they had
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 11: a two goal lead in the third period.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: So they were sour about that.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: The very.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, exactly.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 11: And this year they've got their captain, gave Laniskog back
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 11: after he missed three years basically with an injury. So gosh,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 11: they looked like the complete package. I said, I thought
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 11: they'd probably do this like Winnipeg did last year, unbeaten
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 11: in fourteen to fifteen. But twenty six two and seven,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 11: that's uh, that's record breaking territory there. So for me
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 11: go in and play another another solid game, like when
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 11: you beat Detroit forour to one last Wednesday, when you
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 11: beat Anaheim seven nothing. I think those are games you
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 11: could say, all right, a plus, you did everything perfect,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 11: and that's that's what it'll take.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: You if you shave off the obvious superstars. McKinnon, who
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: you already mentioned, has sixty one points already this season.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: Mccarr is a monster. But who is kind of like
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: the if that's Batman and Robin. Who's Alfred for this team,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: Marty Nachius.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 11: That's the guy they got in the Ranton and trade him.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 11: Mccarr and McKinnon are all three in the top ten
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 11: in the NHL and scoring. I think I think Natus
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 11: has like five goals in the first ninety seconds of
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 11: games this year. He's got forty seven points in thirty
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 11: five games, so that that might not be a guy
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 11: that you know, everybody's heard of, right dialing in on
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 11: Utah's NHL team, but number eighty eight, Marty Natius. They've
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 11: got Brent Burns. You probably know him from the Beard
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 11: yea right.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Old former Sharks, longtime San Jose Shark.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so he's he's a guy that's you know, forties,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 11: I think, And but they don't need him to play
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 11: twenty five minutes a night, so he's been he's been
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 11: a big part of that team. Brock Nelson, who they
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 11: got last year from the Islanders and a deadline deal,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 11: has got fourteen goals. So I think everybody's everybody on
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 11: their team's having a good year.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: They're they're good. It's it's it's a challenge. It's a
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: good challenge.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 11: I think the mammotha would love to go be that
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 11: first team to beat him from the Western Conference, be
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 11: the first team to beat him, beat him at home.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 11: And going back to last year, you top played him
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 11: pretty good too. They won a game three to one
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 11: there right around Christmas time. They came back from the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 11: break on December twenty seventh, that was. It was a
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 11: close game going down the stretch, So Mammoth have played.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 11: Colorado was as good as anybody in the NHL.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Do you like that the NHL does have the mandatory
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: Christmas break?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: The NBA, it's like we were just talking with Gordy
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Chays about this.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: It's kind of their thing now, the Christmas games, And
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: for players it's a love and hate and coaches it's
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: a love and hate thing because you know, those are
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: special games everyone's watching. Start making opportunities, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: And look, the NHL is a winter sport, and it
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: feels like maybe you could take advantage of that Christmas
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: break to get more eyeballs on your games, but they've
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: decided instead to have, you know, a hockey break.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Is that in the best interest of the league. Do
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: you know what sean?
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 11: As a sports fan, Christmas Eve is brutal.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: It is terrible every single year.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 11: Like for me, I can't I've like I'm a last
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 11: minute shopper and so I'm running around on Christmas Eve.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 11: But that's every place closes like one one or two,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 11: you're done and your home and there is nothing on.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 11: And if we get lucky and there's a Hawaii Bowl
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 11: on at five in the afternoon.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: Bank goodness, But.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 11: I I think Christmas Eve. Could you take over Christmas Eve?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 11: Could you make it Christmas Eve and still make it
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 11: the twenty fifth, twenty sixth, and twenty seventh for your
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 11: mandatory three day break.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: I love this idea. All right, here's what you do.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: You bring Santa Claus to every arena and he's watching
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: the game, and at the end of the game, you
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: make it a thing where he's leaving with the reindeer
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: to go start his duties on Christmas Eve.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: All right, love it. This is genius marketing, because I.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 11: Mean selfishly, having been in pro hockey for twenty plus years,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 11: the three day breaks great. And for the Mammoth it
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 11: goes a couple extra days, don't play the twenty fourth,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 11: and then you're back on the twenty ninth against Nashville
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 11: on Monday.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: So it's it's great personally.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 11: But I've always thought Christmas Eve is so underutilized in sports,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 11: and it drives me crazy, Sean, because all I do
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 11: is watch sports. I don't have anything else. I tried
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 11: to watch a comedy special last night, falling.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Asleep I'd like put me right to sleep.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: So on Christmas Eve, with no sports to watch, will
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: you fire up a Christmas movie?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah? You do.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 11: The Christmas story rolling Christmas story is great. Love Christmas
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 11: story ELF's always great. Okay, if you look at my
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 11: Christmas tree hoodie I'm worrying, you can probably say you
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 11: are definitely a National Lampoons fan. Which Christmas vacation all right?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 11: Loves a good one. It just just feels like Christmas.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 11: It feels like everybody's Christmas over at Clark Chrismal, Like
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 11: who doesn't live that every year? I like it, all
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 11: of it, the three weeks leading up to it.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: Well, two games sorry.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: Second wild card spot is this where you thought the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: Mammoth would be at the Christmas break?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: I like it?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: I'm I do? I mean the Western Conference right now?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: You look, you know.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 11: If it was the Eastern Conference, the Mammoth wouldn't be
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 11: in that wild card spot. But the way that Colorado,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 11: Minnesota and Dallas are just rowing through everybody, You've got that.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 11: So the Mammoth at eighteen seventeen to three are in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 11: that second wildcard spot and there are two points.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Up on San Jose.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 11: San Jose's Vegas tonight, So you got to figure percentages
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 11: are in your favor the regardless of whatever happens tonight
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 11: in Denver. You're going into Christmas vacation with that, with
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 11: that wildcard spot, and I like it. Bill Armstrong said,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 11: all along, just want to be just want to be
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 11: in a decent spot going into Christmas, New Year's coming
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 11: out of that three game road trip right at the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 11: first of the year to the Devils, the Islanders and
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 11: the Rangers, just to be coming home for that seven
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 11: game homestand in January around the line. So I think
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 11: they're there. I think they feel like they're under the
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 11: hood numbers. As we say, they're analytics offensively and defensively
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 11: say they're better than an eighteen seventeen and three team
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 11: right now. So I think that with the schedule and
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 11: with the way that they feel that they're playing, I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 11: think they're in a great spot.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: I love it. I feel fantastic about the Mammoth right now.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: Hopefully you get some mammoth merch under your tree if
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: you're out there listening right now. Adrian probably doesn't need anymore,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: but I also hope that you get some.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 11: I'm headed to the team store at the Delta Center
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 11: right now, in fact, to do some family Christmas shopping
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 11: before the game tonight. So if anybody wants to head
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 11: over and meet me there, I'll be hanging out because
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 11: I'm one of those people, Sean, I go in and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 11: I just don't know. I can't shop man, like you're
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 11: a bad shot. Going back to the I just watched
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 11: sports thing. I go into a store and I don't
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 11: know what to do, and I'm there for a long time.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 11: So that's where I'm headed now. So wherever you are
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 11: in the valley, if you head down to the Double
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 11: Center now, I'll probably see it, and I'll be in
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 11: my Christmas tree hoodie.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: If you see a guy with tinsel and glittery ornaments
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: on his hoodie, that's Adrian.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: That's me.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. Thanks for coming in. Yeah, Merry Christmas, John,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: thanks for having me as always.
• 1:38:41
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• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: Alf M.
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  Speaker 4: All right, if I could make a list of least
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: favorite Christmas songs, this.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: One is on it. We're gonna blast it all segment.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's it's I'm not I didn't pick it because
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: it's one of my favorites.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: But it is a classic.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: It's absolutely a classic. There's been like a hundred different
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: artists that have recorded it.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: It's a stric but.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: This might be the This sounds like it's the original.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not positive it's the ron Ets, you know what?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: Sure, I've never really like I mean, I've listened to
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: it hundreds of times, just like everyone else has has,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: and I you know, we all understand the whole like
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: meaning of it, you know, Yeah, you know Santa Claus.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: You know, doesn't the meaning when.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: You've got like a young child listening to that song
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: just like and they like actually pay attention to the lyrics,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: and then the back of your car they're just like, wait, what,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: mom be kissing anyone? Except and then it's like, oh,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: you have to explain dad, Dad was dressed as Santa Claus?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Why would why would dad be dressed as Santa Claus and.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: You were shattering their imagination and their belief and you're
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: just like, yeah, it's a terrible song.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: It's awful. By the way, I love grievances.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: We're going to alter today if you really want to,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: you can eric grievance where because it's the time of
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: giving an appreciation.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: Rampis or part of Christmas and the Christmas.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: Spirit, will we will also do airing of appreciations. We
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: will do a positive airing of non grievance, airing of support,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: like just because we're in the holiday spirit, we're in
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: the mood for happiness and joy and spreading Christmas cheer.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: If you want to, you could air agreements with that
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: stupid song, or you could air you know, a positive feeling.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: We're opening that up today. That's coming in thirty three minutes.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: Can I say I love that.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: I unintentionally stumbled upon first Scott Mitchell's least favorite Christmas song,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: which is Last Christmas, which I think is a grievance
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: against anyone who that's their least favorite Christmas song, fantastic song.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: And then I stumbled upon your one of your least
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: favorite Christmas songs totally unacts and stand it.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, James, what.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: Is the most It's not explicitly Christmas related, but it
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: feels like Christmas to you.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Like for me Star Wars because a lot of those
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: movies were released at Christmas time. Good point, there's no
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: mention of Christmas, of course in a galaxy far far away, but.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: A bunch of heathens.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: Wow, there's always like a Christmas vibe when when you
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: watch Star Wars this time of year, it's like, oh,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: that fits.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: You went to the you went to the movies, saw
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: the theaters around around Christmas time.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: You probably got a toy or several that were related
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: to it. I got a Christmas a Star Wars Christmas
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: gift last night. Like Star Wars has been part of
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: my Christmas since I was a small small child. It
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: is not by itself a Christmas thing, but I very
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: closely associate Star Wars with.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: Positive Christmas feelings. Do you have anything like that?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: Off top of my head, it's related, but not any
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: specific movie, just going to the movies. Yeah, it's been
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: a and that's I associate that with Thanksgiving to both
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: of those holidays. A month to month apart, you go
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 5: and see the biggest movie. Unfortunately, with the uh with
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: the baby having a baby now did not will not
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: be participating in that tradition Christmas time. Did not get
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: a chance to do over Thanksgiving, but growing up it
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: was open present. Let's play some games, watch some sports,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: go to the movies at some point.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we never did it on Thanksgiving or on Christmas,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: but around Christmas time we certainly did like the break
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: between in the week Christmas Day and New Year's whatever.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: So Star Wars definitely, Avatar has been you know that
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: franchise releases around Christmas time.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's in theaters right now the younger generation. Maybe
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: that's Maybe Avatar is that thing. Yeah, I can't think
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: of another specific movie series. Maybe Toy Story, but those movies,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: the sequels were released so far apart. I mean, the first, first,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: and second movies were only a couple of years apart,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: but after that they're released so far apart.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: I probably only think of that because I remember going
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: to Toy Story two at the movie theaters around Christmas
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: or Thanksgiving time, can't remember which, but one of the holidays,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: one of the major holidays. So maybe I think of
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: toy story that way. Because of that, I don't know.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: The top holiday single day gross for the movie theaters.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: Star Wars Episode seven, The Force Awakens is number one
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: spot Episode nine, The Rise of Skywalker is number two.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Spider Man No Way Home is number three. Avatar The
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: Way of Water, which is the sequel the second one,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: the one came out a couple of years ago, that
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: one is number four, and the Last Jedi is number five.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: So the recent trilogy of the Star Wars movies, which
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: is by the fandom universally panned.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Almost at this point, we're in.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: The era now where all the Star Wars fans hate
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: those and then eventually, like ten years from now, people
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: are like, oh, they're actually kind of entertaining.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: See.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: I think I think they got two out of three
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: right in the series, the first and the last one
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: in the latest trilogy, Last Jedi is a travesty.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a number rate. You know what.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: This is a hot take, especially from someone who loves
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: Star Wars. I kind of enjoyed them all. Now would
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: I like them to go back and just like redo it?
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: Because guess what, Disney, you can you own the intellectual property.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: You could just be like, Eh, that doesn't count. Those
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: were just movies that we may to entertain you and
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: get your money. This is the canon. This is how
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: the story actually continues. And because it's all one fictional
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: and made up, you're totally allowed to do that.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: I mean they did that when they before they released
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: the latest trilogy that's supposed to be the last of
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: the of the Skywalker saga.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: I think it's what they're calling it, right. They did that, right,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: they said nothing else is canon.
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  Speaker 2: This is canon. That's right.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: Because they like they had can they had things like
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: Cannon that they previously had been in the Star Wars universe.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: They'd be like, okay, like Ghost like, uh, we're gonna
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: do video game stuff that counts, and Clone Wars like
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: the animated series that stuff counts and all that, and
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: they were just like no, no, no, no, wash it all away.
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  Speaker 2: This is what matters.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Just do it again.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do it again. Retcon, I think is what they
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: call that in the in the nerd forums.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Just do it. Just do it.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: Go back to like the Han Solo and Lea have
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: three kids, they have the twins, then they have this
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: character that we made into Kylo ren right, do that,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: Luke Skywalker finds a mate, Mara Jade.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: I'm showing my nerdiness now, like those the books, the
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: Timothy's On like book series that came out after Star
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: Wars screenplay Those Bad Boys. Anyway, the point is there's
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: a lot of things that are Christmasy that are not
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: delit Christmas, and that's Star Wars is the one for me.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: As far as movies go, it does kind of feel
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: like we all went, all those of us who saw
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: it and loved the Star Wars movies all went and
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: saw those around Christmas time.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: So yeah, there's some weird ones on here. Like Little
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: Little Fokker's is number nineteen on the list.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that the is that like the third
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: movie of the Meet the Parents.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that the Meet the Parents franchise was
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: associated with Chris Django.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: Unchained is number seventeen.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: You want to talk about the least holiday feeling movie
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: you could possibly watch?
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 7: Yikes.
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  Speaker 5: I Also, I feel like it's a little strange that
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: Spider Man Far from Home is one of the you
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: say in the top five, I don't have No way home?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 6: Is three.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean those are good.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: The Tom Holland Spider Man movies letely fixed the problem
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: with past Spider Man movies absolutely, But like I just,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have guessed they'd be one of the top
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: five top ten grossing Christmas movies.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: All right, the Joe More Award was given to Iowa.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: We already we already backed Jeff Schwartz into a corner
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: and told and asked him about Utah not being a
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: finalist last week. Well, now maybe he could explain to
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: us why the crap Iowa got the Joe More Award.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: Boo.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz joins us next to talk all Things football
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: and the Shawan O'Connell Show ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 1:48:35
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• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 1:48:50
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• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: Sean O'Connell Show on a Tuesday, our last live show
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: before we take a little Christmas break. We will have
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: classic Utah football games on the twenty twenty one Pac
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: twelve Championship game, which is the favorite of our next guest,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz, who of course is an Oregon Duck and
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: a football insider.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff, Welcome to the show.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 7: How are you that the game that I assume we lost? Correct,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: that's the one we lost.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: That's the one you lost.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: We're not going to play the one that Oregon demolished
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: Utah defensive front.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah. That, you know is so funny looking back on
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 7: that that bowl game, that was the package. That was
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: the year that Mario you know, was talking to Miami.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 7: It's kind of funny looking back at that time and
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: we're seeing it now with some of these bowl games
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: or the end of season things like when your coaches,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: you know, talking to another team. It's just it's just
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 7: sort of hard to focus in that game as much
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 7: as you try. And and you guys are better than us.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 7: You beat us early year too. Was that's not why
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: we lost. But you hear from players after it was over,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: it's like, yeah, our coaching staff will sort of focus
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: on other things. It's not great, but it is what
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 7: the sport is. Because the calendar is set up in
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 7: that way where you got to make that move quickly. Man,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: There's no time to wait.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: Look, we already aired our grievance with you and the
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: Joe Moore Committee for excluding Utah from the list of finalists.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: But I thought that that would be the end of it.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: And the Utah fans are really up in arms about
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: the fact that Iowa won this award.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: Well, I thought Organ should have won. So how do
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: you think I feel. We've been three time runner up,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: We've been second place three straight years, and we've had
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 7: the number one offense you accord to EPA for three
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: years running now, and we can't win the Joe Moore Award. Look,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 7: here's the deal. First of all, we watch all the films.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: So people accusing us of watching the film don't watching
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: the film. Is you might disagree with the film results
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 7: that we put out, but we do watch the film.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 7: That's why they kind of bothers me because that's like
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: one of the things that we well, I mean, we
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 7: actually watched too much film. Sometimes I'm like, guys, this
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: team's not gonna Why we're wasting our time watching this
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 7: team and not going to be in it at the end.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: I think the thing that just from you know, I'm
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: on I'm on these calls with Iowa is the consistency,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 7: the technique I know people get caughtup in the stats, right,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 7: and I get why we do right, It's what we
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 7: have available to us. But the film, you know this, right,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 7: like the Eye and the Sky never lies, and it's
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 7: normally not as good, normally not as bad. But we
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 7: get to watch and when it comes down to the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: very end choosing finalists, choose some of my final list,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 7: we hone on everything right, consistency technique, finish and y'all
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: went back and watched some Utah today just because I
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 7: saw the I know it was coming on. I just
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: wanted to double check on something that I had in
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: my notes, like just then, example, like Iowa and Oregon
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 7: were the two best teams at at knocking defenders down.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't watch the Utah Kansas. Not a lot of
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 7: bodies on the ground like that stuff. When we're differentiating
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 7: between like good teams, great teams, who's in who's not,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 7: Little things like that matter, right. I know people were
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: said about that when I talked about the scheme things
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 7: right with Utah, and again those matter because when we're
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 7: differentiating between what offensive line is asked to do right
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 7: and when you have an offense that sort of messes
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: with defenses right, it's a little bit easier. I'm not
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 7: saying it's easy. Play of offense try to do that
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: and they don't do it, versus other offenses that just
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: kind of run the ball right at you and say
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: we're going to do it. We don't care that you're
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: no aget. I thought Iowa wasn't the best team, thought
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: it was organ And the last thing on this that
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: I that really frustrates me just in general, about how
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: offensive line players discussed. This bothers me about NFL All
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: Pro voting, which I have an issue with the way
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 7: the voters do it in that and also with I
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: think college football is we don't value pass production enough.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 7: And that's where to me, Oregon was the winner because
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: what they're asked to do, it's five on five. It's
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 7: professional past protection, no slides, no running backs, no chips,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 7: it's just un versus guying in front of you with
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: added one linebacker in there, and it's high leverage, it's
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: empty protections. Like all the things that make it really
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: hard to do. They put on that offensive line. Iowa
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 7: just didn't have as many reps, eighty less reps. I
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: do think what hurts teams like Oregon and like Utah
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: in the end is that Iowa was. It looked very
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: familiar to past winners. This is a fly and I
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: think in our system, and I've said this to the
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: group before, you know, college football is not what it
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: was seven eight, nine years ago. Teams are out of shotgun,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: teams are running different plays. It's not going to look
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: like it did years ago. The off of the position
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 7: is changing. First of all, the sports changing. But you
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 7: put in the Iowa film, it takes you right back
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 7: to two thousand and seven. It's just what they do right.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: So again I thought Orgon should have won. You know,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 7: it is what it is in Iowa won and you
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 7: know that's the process. But we watch all the film,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 7: but I disagree with the end result everyone, but I
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: promise you the film gets watched.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: So the final distribution of the award is it just
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: is it like a Heisman vote where you put in
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: your top three? How many how many guys are voting?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: Uh, well we have our committee is ever evolving, but
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: I think it's about ten of us, might be twelve. Yeah,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 7: it's what you vote.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 6: Won.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: Two three. The semi finalists are chosen to the finals
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: are chosen often by a vote. Sometimes we get along
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: two hour call, we talk through all the teams and
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: we go one by one and yay or day and
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: you know, are they enter they out? Do we have
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: Do we put two teams? Do we put four teams?
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 7: Put three teams? What's the differentiating factor? You cluster teams
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: together a lot of times where you cus stream and say, okay,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: if this team makes it in, that these two have
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 7: to make it in also, right, because sometimes teams are
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 7: very closely related. So we thought that these three were
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: the best three. If let's say you put in Utah,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 7: does that mean you have to put in two other
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: teams that are like Utah?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 7: Think great about the same in our in our eyes.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: So that's it makes it difficult sort of where the
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: cutoff line is. I'm always in favor of less teams
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: in any of the lists. By the way, I'm probably
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: the only person in the room that continues to say
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 7: that every year McKay's too many teams. We should have
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: less teams. But that's where we end up on And
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 7: you know, again, you might not like the result, but
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 7: you can't question the people on the panel because we're
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: some of the best to watch the film, and if
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: I off, it's a line play, and I think the
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: analytics part of it well certainly important, doesn't take into
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 7: account a lot of the things that we look at.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 7: That's why the film's important because and we just voted
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 7: off PFF or anyone else, we get a much of
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 7: a result every year.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Who should we blame for USC, Notre Dame going away USC?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, of course would blame the USC. They're
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 7: they're scared, you know, as everyone has sort of said,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: like Keyshawn and Petros and all these guys, former USC guys.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: They're not running by the school's not run by USC people,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: and it's run by people that, in my opinion, don't
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: care about tradition, don't care about their former players, don't
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: care about anything. But I guess trying to make the playoff, right,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, you're I guess that's the goal here, right,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: to make the player for USC, but especially iconic robbery.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: I think that the times that hasn't playing the last
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: one hundred years were like World Wars one and two
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: and COVID and now Lincoln Riley, like those are like
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: the four reasons why it hasn't been played. Look, USC
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: killed the pac twelve. They killed this rivalry like they're
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: just sort of decide. I guess they want to do
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 7: their own thing and maybe maybe they go independent now.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 7: I don't know, man, But did you see that the
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: Big ten just just kind of skewered them today because
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: they claimed that this was done because no name gets automatic,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 7: you'll play out playoffs pot at the right to top twelve.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: I think it is ridiculous. They we all think that's ridiculous.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: They claim that that new information is why they backed
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: out of the game, and then it was announced or
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 7: reported that the Big ten said that all the schools
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: knew about this memory of understanding like a year ago,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 7: and so canceling the game based off of that is
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 7: not really accurate. So I don't know, man, I think
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: that USC is just scared with that sad point. They
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 7: won this game six the last seven years they would
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 7: play it, but they don't win the game anymore.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: And you when you look at a game, regardless of
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: when it's going to be played against a you know,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: a top team, that is it's either a quality win
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: or it's a forgivable loss. And they don't want to
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: deal with the forgivable loss because they think they're going
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: to lose, so they don't believe they can get a
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: quality win and they take it off the schedule.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they're they're Look, I mean, I think the program
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: is soft. I've said this for two, three, four years now.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's a it's a tough program. It's
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 7: not what Pete Carroll's us.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 6: He was.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: And as long as the people that are in charge,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 7: you need to be in charge. Let's continue the way
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 7: to operate. And they're not making a playoff next year.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: It's not gonna help them. It's not gonna help them
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 7: at all. But maybe they think they can. I just
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: disagree that there'll be a playoff team next year.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: Who's Michigan going to hire?
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 7: So it was unserious. The other morning, actually, I filled
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 7: on Big ten for the first time all year. I
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 7: was like shocked at the tag got the calls. Oh, sure, well,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 7: that doesn't surprise me.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: Were we are told when the PAC twelve networked out
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: that we'd have a lot of filling opportunities.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 7: I was like, I was like, wow, you remembered who
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 7: I was. So we're talking about the Michigan thing, And
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 7: I said Coywitty him right as an option, and that's
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 7: what that's what we got that text from from our
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 7: openers or Dan Lynch about it. Look, I mean, I
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: think if you're looking for someone who is just going
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 7: to clean the program up and no nonsense and make
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: sure that things are done correctly and things are done
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 7: in a professional manner and you're gonna play good football,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 7: I think he would be the call you make. I
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 7: don't think he's their first choice, and I don't know
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: if howin Ahem wants the Michigan job right. But I
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: just find it interesting that it seems very clear that
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 7: he's not done coaching, right Because as soon as the
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 7: retirement or see me, the announcement came out that he
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: was leaving his job, we got it, you know, a
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 7: tweet two seconds later like he's actually he's not retiring.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 7: He's not retiring.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: Well he's he's since twice now been in front of
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: a microphone and and supported that notion that no, I'm
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: not retiring this, We're going to see what's next. He
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: is not committing to yeah, coaching next year or anything
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 4: like that, but he's effectively saying no, I'm I haven't
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: decided to retire.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 7: Right, So that may so that makes be curious because
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: I think I think that's what Michigan needs. They need
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 7: kwit him. Now does he want that job? I don't know,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 7: you know, desbribably underwood stay. There's a lot of questions
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 7: about what the job is. But that to me, if
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 7: you're looking for a guy who's gonna not gonna he's
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 7: not gonna have scandals, right, He's not gonna sleep with
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: an intern, He's not gonna be any thing. Is that
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 7: he's not gonna have recruiting violations that end up causing
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 7: your team to, you know, to to lose games or
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 7: get in trouble. It's not gonna happen with Kywe. And
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: then you add and of course I think I think
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 7: his style of coaching is what Michigan wants, right. They
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 7: want physicality and discipline and toughness and all the things
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: that that make you know, the makes coach Whittingham uh
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 7: one of the our coaches in our sport and one
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 7: that's been successful in Utah all these years.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: Does Pukakua need off the field coaching or is he
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: talented enough that the low level scandals he's involved himself
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: in are not going to really damage him from a
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: contractual standpoint or from a state with the team standpoint.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: You know, that's a good question, they often say, right, like,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 7: if you're you know, you're, If your talent always your problems,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 7: you're you're fine. As soon as your your problems out
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: with your talent, you're and you're in big trouble. Right.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 7: And the thing that I worry about with him is
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: not not Obviously he's very talented, and I don't think
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: that's going away a time soon. But I think it's
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: worth sort of talking about where this is headed, right, Like,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 7: if you start associating yourself with this with these people
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: that don't have your best interest in mind, right, their
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 7: their job is to get streaming views and to get
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 7: you to say things that you probably regret. In the end.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 7: There's no consequence for any of these streamers if he's
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 7: had something dumb to them, right, All you get his views,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 7: they make money. He loses his career off of it.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 7: They're not his friends, right, And I think it would
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 7: be smart for someone in the RAMS to get in
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 7: his ear, his agent, someone to be like, hey, man,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 7: like this just is not good for business to associate
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 7: yourself with these streamers. I'm very glad he apologized for
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 7: the or at least not apologize, but at least acknowledge
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 7: that doing that jewish, greedy, jewish money dance is probably
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 7: not the smartest thing to do if he had scored
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 7: a touchdown, which he did in that game against Seattle.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 7: But it just it just seems like these are the
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 7: wrong decisions to make for a person in his career
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 7: path to hang out with with streamers that don't help
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 7: his career at all. He should be all about just
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 7: doing what's best to get himself the most money and
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 7: you know, propriably provide for his family. It just feels
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 7: like this is not the best way to do that
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 7: in the end.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 4: Well, it's really interesting because we saw, you know, like
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 4: he's coming off of that streaming appearance where he was
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: I think somewhat led down a bad path and had
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: to apologize for it.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 7: This is the point, like there's no there's no consequence
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 7: for the other guys.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 4: But it was really fascinating to see immediately postgame, right,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: and then then he has an unbelievable game two hundred
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: and twenty five yards, a couple of touchdowns. He has
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: an unbelievable game, and his coach goes in front of
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: a microphone and the first question is about, hey, he's
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: tweeting about the refs, and you could, like you could
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: watch mcveigh's face get angry, like why am I talking
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 4: about this? And that's kind of what I'm asking you about,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: because again, like Sean McVay knows what he's dealing with
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 4: when he's got twenty one and twenty two year old
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: kids on his team.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: But also.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: Just the conversation is no longer about his talent, his contribution,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: any plays he made or did not make. It's about
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: stuff that's happening away from the field. And if you're
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: a coach, yeah, you care more about what's happening on
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 4: the field. But man, I would I, either consciously or subconsciously,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: I'd get real sick of having to apologize for somebody
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: else his behavior.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 7: Well, when the term distraction is used, this is what
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 7: it is. Right, It's you finish a game and the
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 7: first question you get asked is why is your player
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 7: tweeting about the officials?
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: And that's what distractions are, and that's why coaches get
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 7: angry about them. They don't want look as much as
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 7: McVeigh lock didn't want to talk about the loss. He
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 7: has to right, you know, contractually, and he's willing to
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 7: do that. But he doesn't want to talk about what
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 7: Pooko Nuku's tweets are, or what someone else is doing,
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 7: or what what gesture he was doing in a in
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 7: a in a video with someone. That's not why. It's
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 7: not what he wants to be doing. So anywan, excuse me.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 7: It takes away from football, tends to drive these coaches
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 7: absolutely mad. I forgot about that. The officiating tweet. My
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 7: thing about the officials is when people think that it's rigged,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 7: like why are you watching them?
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 7: What poogo? Why are you playing? If you think the
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 7: games are rigged, that feels kind of silly. Waste your
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 7: time playing a game and you get paid a lot
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 7: of money, certainly, but wasting your time and your health
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 7: to play the game that's rigged. Come on, man.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: There also wasn't anything particularly controversial from an officiating standpoint
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: in that game.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look the two point play thing. I
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 7: just despise that replay was used for that, even though
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 7: that was the right call in the end. I don't
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 7: think that replay review should be used to basically award
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 7: someone two points for the worst play of all time.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 7: I saw a tweet that said, it's very funny shan
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 7: a tweet that said something like, imagine you're drunk in
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 7: the stands, your team runs the worst play you've ever seen,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 7: and they award you two points afterwards. That to me
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 7: is not the spirit of replay. But it was the
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 7: right call. I mean, I guess there was maybe another,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 7: like a no call or some other call. I think
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 7: that kind of didn't go the Rams way. But look,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 7: you were up thirty to fourteen and you didn't win
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 7: the game. I mean that's you were up twenty six
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 7: to seven in Philly and didn't win the game. You
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 7: lost the Panthers. Like You've had your opportunities this year,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 7: unfortunately have it gone your way at certain points. I mean,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 7: that's why you are the five seed at that moment.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: Should I believe in the San Francisco forty nine ers
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: ability to win a Super Bowl?
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 7: No, but they're gonna be the one seed. I think, Well,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what I don't. I don't know that yet.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 7: So basically they have to play the Bears right this weekend,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 7: and the NFL to get him kind of dirty here
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 7: because the Bears played last on Saturday night, right, and
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 7: now the Niners just played last night on the road. Yes,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 7: and the Niners have to go back home got home
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 7: early this morning. I mean they're two days behind in prep.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 7: Kind that's kind of messed up that they made them
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 7: do that and play a really good Bears team. Obviously
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 7: they win that game, then Week eighteen is for all
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 7: the marbles, right, Week eighteen is for the division, the
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 7: one seed, the games at home. I don't trust seatle
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 7: all in that game, by the way. I would take
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 7: you guys to win that game. But your defense is
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 7: just not gonna You're just not It's just not like
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 7: it's just not good enough. Obviously the injuries played a
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 7: big role in that. It's not anyone's fault per se,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 7: but you just can't rush the passer. Right, that's a
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 7: big problem.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: Because we're talking about the Niners.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: Their opponent last night was the Colts with forty four
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: year old grandpa Philip Rivers as the quarterback. Was he
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: better in week two than in Week one?
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah? I think he was. He looked like he gained
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 7: ten pounds between the two weeks. But he certainly is
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 7: better than he was. You know, he's just he's just
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 7: very limited, right, Like I don't know who they I
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 7: think they had to sell the They have a division
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 7: opponent coming up, and you're like, oh boy, but that's
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 7: gonna be a rough one. I mean, Philip rid just
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 7: can't move and the Niners can't rush the passer. So
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 7: both those things obviously help Philip rivers there. He's gonna
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 7: ru up against someone they have, they have the Jacksonville
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 7: and they have the Texans coming up. It's gonna be
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 7: that's gonna be rough. It's it's gonna be rough. That's
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 7: a couple of weeks. Great story. It shows you the
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 7: power of just knowing the playbook, right, like having your
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 7: mentals in check and knowing exactly which is was do
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 7: every play And it was very you know that, they
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 7: I think very clearly tried to isolate some of the
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 7: audio of him last night at the line of scream
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 7: Wager I thought was pretty cool. The coolest thing, by
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 7: the way, might have been the Luke Keigley calling the interception.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 7: Do you see that clip?
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 7: So, I actually it's funny. So he so on that
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 7: video he said that he the term Orlando, right, was
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 7: the sort of stick flat play, right. And then I
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 7: saw another clip like right below that from someone who
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 7: was just posting highlights from Philip Rivers, and he showed
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 7: a driver to second drive maybe where they he said, Orlando,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 7: and he ran the exact same play. And I thought
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 7: it was pretty funny that, like that was the exact sequence,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 7: Like Luke heard him say, Orlando, that ran that little
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 7: stick flat right, tight end just sort of runs up pivots,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 7: running back, goes in the flat and then obviously the
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 7: number one can can you know, runs typically a deeper
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 7: route and it was. And then Winter's baited him too,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 7: right because Winter sort of stepped one read that linebacker, right,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 7: he sort of he stepped one step towards the running
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 7: back of the flat and feed the ball. And you know,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 7: I just I think like that part of it. You
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 7: just might be a little bit limited with Rivers. You
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 7: probably don't have a huge playbook, but dude, okay, I
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 7: think you have to be a little bit impressed with
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 7: what he's doing, even me, who hates nostalgia whatsoever.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: Did you know his family was there last night, all
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: ten kids.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I didn't see it. You know I
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 7: missed the first nine times they showed it, so I
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 7: was curious if you saw the tenth time. But they
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 7: they were there. Family was there, believe or not. They
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 7: went and supported the dad. Too many kids? I just wild,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 7: you mench have ten kids? Well, you want a lot
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 7: though you want one more?
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: Right, you'd have to You have to start when you're
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 4: like twenty one if you want. If you're gonna have
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: ten kids, you still want one more though, right? I
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: would like Yeah, i'd go for even two. If your
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 4: wife know this, I don't think that she agrees. It's
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: very as a man, as you're aware of this, it's
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: very easy to want kids when you're a man because
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 4: you don't have to carry them.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, how much time do we have to? Can I
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 7: tell you a mayor of the story?
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I wanted we have plenty of time because
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 4: you're now a lizard dad.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm getting into it.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: I need to know if the Schwartz family Christmas tree
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: is still.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 7: Up and I have no three thirty meetings?
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: So okay, perfect, So why are you collecting animals?
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 7: So here's what happened. So we for for Hanukah. We
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 7: told the kids they had to make us PowerPoint presentations
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 7: for what they wanted. So it was a great idea.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 7: Are kids can use computers, like they know how to
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 7: make powerpoints and stuff. So they did a great job.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 7: And one of Alex's things was like he made this
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 7: like elaborate power point on beard dragons and everything, like
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 7: he he linked the the the terrarium, like the food
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 7: and all this stuff. And Maretha was like, no, now,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 7: two years ago we didn't even have a dog, like
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 7: she was anti pet right, no, down. We did have
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 7: those chickens for a couple of weeks until they got
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 7: all got murdered, but we mostly did not have animals.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 7: So now then we get the dog. We got hermer
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 7: crabs recently, which are kind of useless. They're kind of
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 7: a dumb pet. Dad's like, yeah, they're really dumb, but
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 7: the kids have done a good job. They're taking care
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 7: of them, like they're all those things. So she was
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 7: firm against the bearer dragon idea. And then I somehow
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 7: my algorithm on TikTok just started showing me bearded dragons
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 7: and they were kind of cute, and I was like,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 7: look like, look at these beard and dragons. She's like,
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 7: really that's what like, that's what they're like. I was
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 7: like yeah, and she's like, okay, we can get a
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 7: bear dragon. So we go. We go to the store
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 7: to get them at the pet store and Alex knew
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 7: everything he needed, but you need everything, and Mareth wanted
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 7: the orange one. There were like two. There was like
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 7: an orange color sort of like a green yellow one
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 7: like a regular colored one, and Alex chose the other one. Okay,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 7: so not the orange one. So we get home Friday night,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 7: set up the tank, like we get it going, and
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 7: I've done a ton of research down beer dragons. I'm
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 7: like an expert because guess who's in charge of them?
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 7: I am, right, I guess where my kids and family
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 7: are at right now. They're skiing Whistler. Okay, I'm by myself,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 7: so I'm in charge of these freaking things. Okay, okay,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 7: So I done a ton of research on these things.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 7: The next day, on Saturday Marathon, her friend was over
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 7: and she goes, hey, I'm gonna go run to Aaron.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 7: I'll beer right back. And Alice goes, I bet you
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 7: she gave another bearer dragon, and she did. She brought
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 7: another one home. Okay, the one she wanted the orange one,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 7: so she puts it in the same uarrium and I'm like,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure. And my son was adamant, like, Mom,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 7: you can't have them in the same terrarium. Like that's
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 7: not it's not a thing anyone suggests. My Ma's like, ah,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 7: the pet store. They are like, it's a pet store.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 7: So so I look it up, dude, every vet website,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 7: every bearder dragon form read it. They're like, do not
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 7: keep them together? So what did I do? I trunked
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 7: back to the pet store by another terrarium, and now
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 7: we have two bearded dragons. Chuck and Arthur are their names.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 7: And I'm caring for them, so I feed them twice
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 7: a day. I ordered a yeah, so crickets are not
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 7: very nutritious for them, like you have to you have
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 7: to spread calcium dust, calcium powder on them. So they
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 7: have these, uh these these beetles they like. And then
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 7: I ordered some like black soldier fly larvae. They should
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 7: be here today. They are super nutritionals. You have to
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 7: make sure they have calcium and they have to make
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 7: sure they have like this this type of light to
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 7: make sure they get their their D vitamins in. So
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 7: we have that all set up for them. So one
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 7: of them likes to be fed. The other one likes
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 7: to me to put his food down and leave and
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 7: then he'll eat after I leave. I've learned that now
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 7: over two days. They like to hang out with you,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 7: like you can put them on your shoulder, on your chest,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 7: like they just kind of sit there, which is kind
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 7: of fun. Except both of them there number two on
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 7: my shoulder yesterday separately, like hours apart, just took giant
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 7: both took this giant pooz right on my shoulder. They
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 7: don't really like Foe being around them.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: I could tell that that's their dog, German Chephard by
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 4: the way.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 7: And he and Foe's like sort of like what are
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 7: these things? He's kind of like not quite sure what
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 7: they are. So yeah, we have five Hermory crabs, a
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 7: large German shepherd, and two dragon beard dragons. Now, I
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 7: mean they're chill, they're cool, but like now we know
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 7: now we know what to get you for for a gift.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: Thank you for always joining us on the show. I'm
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: just gonna send a random animal to your house.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 7: I don't really want any more animals, clearly, but it's
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 7: such a mara of thing just on a Saturday, have
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 7: a couple a couple of adult beverages and bring home
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 7: another beard drag without doing any research whatsoever, like like
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 7: no idea on like so, yeah, so we have twotuariums.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: It's I said, like a badger to your front door
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: and see what happens.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 7: Would eat that thing?
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 6: I doubt it?
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 7: But yeah, like one of them does not like foe
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 7: like the other one is kind of chill about it.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 7: But like one of them is just like I don't
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 7: anytime phones around this.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: I just love that this is where your life is gone.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: It's really enriching for me.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 7: But but the thing about it is that it's not
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 7: like I'm not busy, you know, It's not like like
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 7: we it's not like we don't have anything to do.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 7: We have we have tons of life. We have to
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 7: add more animals to it.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: And you guys take vacations every three weeks, So what are.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 7: My family does.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: Who's gonna take these Who's gonna take care of the
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 4: bearded dragons? When you guys are at the beach, who's
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 4: gonna You're not going to go to the beach, Which
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 4: is fine.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: All right? Do you have is the Schwartz family Christmas
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: tree up or not, I know, because.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 7: Because Mereth left town. So just took it down two
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 7: days ago. So I I was I had to drop
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 7: our car off today because I got a little minor
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 7: accident at the closing shop and uh on the way
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 7: on the uber home, uh for the cleaning shop. The lady,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 7: nice lady, was like, you know, you know, what do
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 7: you do for Christmas? And I was like, lady, I
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 7: just letting you know when you pumped the house, there's
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 7: gonna be Christmas during the side of the road, just
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 7: letting you know, don't think it's weird. And there it was. Yeah,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 7: so it's already out. We got you we all think
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 7: it's weird. She told me two days before and she's like,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 7: I'm done with this thing. I just I'm over it.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 7: We got it delivered really early this year too, so
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 7: it was like two weeks week before Christmas, a week
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 7: before Thanksgiving.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: So it's been up for a long time.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been up over a month.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: That's a long time, all right.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 7: How how do you feel about Bowl game? I took
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 7: Utel minus fourteen when the line came out.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 4: I think that Utah is gonna absolutely demolish Nebraska. I
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 4: think Nebraska's limping their way along. It feels like this
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 4: group of Utah players, they've had three opt outs, which
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 4: is fewer than I thought, and.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 7: The tackles playing, they're they're to of the opt outs
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 7: or they just haven't announced yet they're two of the
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 7: opt outs. Okay, yeah, I was, I was cre I
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 7: figured they it's.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 4: It's Logan Fano, the brother, the older brother of Spencer. Spencer,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: and then Caleb Lomo. They they have opted out and
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 4: to the knowledge of everyone on the coaching staff, everyone
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 4: else plans to play.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 7: The video of Logan present the ward to Spencer was awesome.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 7: I very much enjoyed that. Do you think this question?
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 7: Do you think this game will be coached by Kyle
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 7: Weddingham or Scally?
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 6: Both?
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 7: Duel so who gets who gets the win? Wood on
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 7: this record?
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: Go ahead coaches.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 7: Just I was just curious if he'll let, like Morgan
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 7: Scally do more of the like give him an opportunity
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 7: like wet his feet a little bit.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 4: It's interesting because talking with players all through the year,
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, Devin Dan Pierre joined us every week and
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 4: he he has told us kind of all year long,
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 4: that wit has been letting Morgan kind of do meetings
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: and like conduct some things as if he was like, fully,
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: I think what happened. The best sense I have today
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 4: on the twenty third of December is that Kyle Whittingham
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 4: was fully intending to retire after this year and then
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 4: was re energized by a ten win season and probably
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 4: a little bit miffed by the pressure he was getting
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: from whatever sources of pressure he was getting to say like,
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 4: all right, let's have you be done, and he was like,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: you know what, Actually no, I think that's what really happened,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 4: because all signs all the way up to that very
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 4: last game pointed to him like kind of like putting
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 4: a close to this chapter, and then I think he
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 4: changed his mind and it was not well received, is
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 4: what I can.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: Guess at right now?
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 7: What are you doing for Christmas this year?
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: Just hanging out where we're here in Utah will be.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 4: We'll be doing Christmas even Christmas morning with just my
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: nuclear family and then spend it with the in laws
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 4: for like dinner that night or whatever.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 7: What does what does your oldest daughter want? So I said,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 7: what's the hot item now? For young?
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 4: She asked for a vespa, okay. And I was like, yeah,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 4: you're not gonna get a vespa. And she's like, well,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 4: just ask Santa Claus. And I was like, I'm gonna
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 4: tell Sanna in my letter to Santa not to get
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: you a vespa because I don't want you driving a
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: vespa around you're six. So and then she asked for
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 4: a safe Apparently she has valuables that she wants to
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: protect from her parents and her sisters.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 7: Okay, I mean I get I get the protecting from
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 7: your sisters.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and just you know a bunch of regular
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: type of kid stuff.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: Well, Merry Christmas, Happy holidays.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you joining us and uh enjoy I mean, I
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 4: don't know, like we could jump on zoom call for
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 4: old time sake, since you're by yourself, if you if
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 4: you need anyone to hang out with over the over
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 4: the break, since your family abandoned you.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 7: I have eight pets.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 6: No, that's true.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 7: The lizards. Lizards, they just sit on your shoulder, all right,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 7: go get pooped on. Twice two separate shirts got ruined
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 7: by I actually put one on my on my body
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 7: to do a radio show yesterday. They I talked about them,
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 7: but they didn't believe me, and I put it on
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 7: me and then one of them, that's the one that
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 7: one of them would pull on me while I was
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 7: on the radio. Just gross, do you think? All right, buddy,
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 7: all right, Merry Christmas. Everyone, Please stop being angry with
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 7: Utah fans. My fault.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 4: Keep going, keep sending your grievances to Jeff Schwartz eight
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 4: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred if you
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 4: want to air either a grievance or because it's tis
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 4: the season, we're gonna do an airing of appreciation, an
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 4: airing of support, an airing of blessings. It's a Sean
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 4: O'Connell show on ESPN seven ninety I want a.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Hipple bottomus for Christmas.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: You were listening to the Shan o'connall show from the
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: Murder Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: to one A M.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: Goody.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: I love the tradition of festivals begins with the airing
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: of quaviness.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 10: I got a lot of problems with your people.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: Hear about.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 5: He won't have to use a dirty chimney poo should
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 5: bring him through the front door.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: That the easy thing to do. I can see me
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: who doesn't want a hippopotamus for Christmas? So this is one,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: This is the one you approve. It's definitely acceptable.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: I love this great. How can this song not put
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 5: a smile on your face? But I feel like there's
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 5: a lot of people that probably find it annoying. So
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 5: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 4: Any appreciations, blessings, gratitudes, whatever, air those. If you want
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 4: to air grievances, we will respect the process as well.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 4: Twelve seventy three says my grievance is one these are
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 4: a few of my favorite things.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: Is not a Christmas song?
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 4: And two White Christmas was actually first sung by Bing
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 4: Crosby in the movie Holiday In, previous to the actual
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 4: movie White Christmas. But the movie Holiday In doesn't get
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 4: the notice or notoriety that White Christmas does, so deep cuts.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, probably because we don't care about that hotel franchise.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Wow, what is holiday I'd ever done to you?
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: All right? Sixteen twenty four says anti Grievance.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 4: I'm grateful in our current society of hatred and negativity,
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 4: we have things like sports and entertainment to distract us
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 4: distract us from the actual troubles of the world.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm grateful for those things as well.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 4: I also think that when you unplug from social media
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 4: and from media in general, because our news media is
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 4: just like a thinly veiled approximation of social media now,
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 4: and you talk to people for real and you get out,
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: i don't know, picking the kids up at school, or
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 4: chatting with the neighbors. Up around the corner from my
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: house there is an iconic Christmas decoration display. It's actually
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 4: on Google Maps and we took a stroll up there
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: last night. Are there problems in the world, Absolutely there are.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 4: Do we need to do a better job of being
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 4: gracious with our fellow human Yes, of course. But I
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 4: think that the news and the powers that be want
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 4: to keep us a little bit scared and worried and distracted.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 4: And when you actually talk to people, there's less negativity
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 4: than you think.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: So yes, it's wonderful to have.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 4: Sports to distract us from the stresses of finance and
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 4: daily life. And it's actually one of the problems I
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 4: have with college sports now because the money problems are
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 4: just thrown in your face every minute now in college sports.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it ain't as bad as you think it is.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 4: Still, sports and entertainment are great to distract you from
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 4: the problems that do exist.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 5: Also agreements see it's Derek from Murray is sixteen twenty four.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 5: We have a name now, Okay, ground out to Derek
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 5: from Murray.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 4: Derek from Murray also said not having It's a Wonderful
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 4: Life in the top five is unforgivable on my top
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 4: five list for favorite Christmas movies.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: Who's Derek kicking out out of that list?
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's easy to it's easy to say, why isn't
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 5: this in there? Well, you gotta take one out. Maybe
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 5: I'm just not as impressed with Jimmy Stewart as you are. Okay,
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 5: put a loss around tomorrow.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: See see.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 4: My grievance today is with Amazon for not putting my
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: wife's Christmas present in a box.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: He knows exactly what she's getting. From eighteen oh four.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: It is one of the problems of online shopping. You're
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: not always aware of what you're getting.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, by the way, do we
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: have is there like a uniform or universally accepted grace
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 4: period around Christmas time? We have to stop buying things
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 4: for yourself because somebody in your family needs a gift
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 4: idea for you, right, So shouldn't I don't know after
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 4: Thanksgiving at least, if you need something or want something,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 4: shouldn't you just be like, I'm not buying that for myself.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: This might be something you could get me for Christmas.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 5: So I'm not a I'm not a great gift giver.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 5: And my wife has been gracious enough to just like
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 5: put things in the safe for later that she wants
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 5: and basically spoil any kind of surprise. But I I
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 5: appreciate that, and she's you know, she's always a static
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 5: to open it up on Christmas whatever, even though she
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 5: knew that that's what she was getting, because she saved
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 5: it for me to buy.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: So I feel like, yeah, that's absolutely acceptable.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 5: Put it in you want to you want to text
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 5: it to the person, you want to say it verbally
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 5: to them, you want to put it in the cart
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 5: and all, and you gotta eat something. Just hit by Like,
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 5: I'm totally open to that. It's it really helps terrible
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 5: gift givers like myself.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 4: I think that's why I have such a problem with it,
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 4: because my wife, you know, she had like a new
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: pair of Pajamazon the other day, and I reacted in
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 4: a terrible manner.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: So it's like, what are you doing? Instead of being like, oh,
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: those are great, and I was like what why those
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: are brand new? What do you why do you have those? Anyway,
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: don't be like me and react poorly.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 4: But also there's got to be some kind of like
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 4: we gotta as a society agree upon a moratorium on
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 4: buying yourself stuff when when you do have family and
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: friends that want to get you here, especially.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 5: In this era of Amazon and very convenient online shopping,
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 5: you absolutely it's so easy just to get I want that,
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 5: I want it.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna get it, get it, get it. Put
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: a pause on that. I agree. Did you see uh?
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 5: Did you see the Jordan Jordan from Eagle Mountains wonderful
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 5: airing of appreciation.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 6: I do like that.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 4: Jordan says, I was a regular listener to Bill Riley,
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 4: was sad we left. Not think I'd ever listened to
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: the show once he was gone. But Jordan says he
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 4: thinks I've done a great job taking his place, and
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Thanks for listening, and Merry Christmas to you.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 7: Jordan.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: That makes me feel good.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 7: Derek.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: By the way, we said, what movie would you take
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: off the top five lists? He took movie number one off?
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: He says, take out Love. Actually, he says, actually, I
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: do not love that movie all right.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 4: Twenty two eighty nine, airing of appreciation to the team
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 4: down South and this truck stop conference for reigniting my
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: sports hatred to a new level.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: And he closed it.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 4: I'd like to thank them for absolutely nothing. I tell
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 4: you what, Because sports are ultimately not important. It is
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 4: the right place to put if you if you need
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 4: to have hatred in your heart, sports is the right.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: Place to have hatred in your heart. Right.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 4: Be nice to your neighbors, Embrace people who are different
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 4: than you, try to learn from one another. But absolutely,
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 4: if you want to hate the rival, hate them.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 5: Be nice to your If you're a ute fan, be
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 5: nice to your b a U fan neighbor in most
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 5: in most settings. But then when they're when they're playing,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 5: you want to talk smacked, then let them have it.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 4: The eighteen o four says the cutoff for buying gifts
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 4: for yourself in their family.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: This is Zach black Friday.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's reasonable. I like that shout out
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 5: to Zach my airing of appreciation. It's this is very much,
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 5: very sincere. I just appreciate that I got a little
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 5: guy for Christmas, guy around for my for this first Christmas.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 5: Didn't know if that would happen for us, And it's
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 5: I'm glad it did. You love that I get to
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 5: be a dad for curs.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 4: It is the peak experience of human life, to be
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 4: a parent, and I'm glad that you and your wife
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 4: get to have that. And it only gets better as
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: they get a little bit older. I'm grateful for the
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 4: same thing my six, four and two. All my kids
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 4: have at least some awareness of, like the Christmas spirit
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 4: right now, and we're in the we're in the glory
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 4: days of Christmas celebration right now, and I'm very very
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 4: grateful for that. Spence check, it's in the driver coming
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 4: up next, Spence. How are you hello, Sean?
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 12: Hi, I'm well, I okay, So driving around town doing
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 12: my annual oh yeah, last minute Christmas shopping, cannicked, trying
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 12: to get everything done. Tune into the Sean O'Connell show
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 12: because I'm a p one. Yeah, listen every day whenever
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 12: I'm in the car listen to my guy, and I
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 12: hear this effusive praise for this iesore of a film
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 12: called The Holiday, which is just as I texted you,
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 12: simply put, an atrocious piece of cinema.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: No matter what time of year it is, it is awful.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 4: You know what, We came out in two thousand and six.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 4: We may not in the last nineteen year have had
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 4: anything better Rotten Tomatoes fifty one Jude Law? Come on, Sean,
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 4: are you telling me that you couldn't get lost in
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 4: Jude Law's eyes? Look, Jude Law is a handsome man.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not knocking on the physical characteristics of a man.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: That looks like Law as a widower.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 12: I mean, come on, it is so corny, It is
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 12: so poorly ridden, and for a cast that should be awesome,
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 12: it is. And look who's buying Jack Black as like
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 12: a romantic character? Jack Black is for School of Rock
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 12: and other comedic Really, Jack Black's not a sympathetic like
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 12: romantic guy.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, he most certainly is not.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 4: The lovable, chubby, funny guy needs actual romantic love too, Spence.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: That's part of the lesson of the whole movie. I
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: didn't say Jack Black doesn't deserve love. You did say that.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 12: It was like when they casted Steve Carrell in that
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 12: Apple TV show about the news, and he's like the
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 12: player that drinks whiskey and sleeps with women.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: You're like, that's Michael Scott.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 12: I'm not buying Steve corral as some like, you know,
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 12: tortured whisky drinking play.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: So you want these people to be type cast into
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 4: the same role for the rest of their careers.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 12: Correct when it comes to Jack Black, Yes, all right,
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 12: I'm trying to who else?
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: Like, it's a power house of a cast. Yeah, you
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: don't like Cameron Diaz. You don't like Kate Winslet.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 12: I like Cameron Diaz in There's Something about Mary. I
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 12: like Kate Winslet in Titanic. I like nobody in this
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  Speaker 12: atrocious film that you love.
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  Speaker 2: What is wonderful? But it's no love. Actually, we can
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  Speaker 2: at least agree upon that.
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  Speaker 6: What.
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  Speaker 12: Okay, I didn't hear the entire list. Give me your
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  Speaker 12: top five Christmas movies.
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  Speaker 4: The top five Christmas movies incontrovertible beyond debate and above reproach,
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  Speaker 4: as represented by the Sean O'Connell Show Number one, Love Actually,
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  Speaker 4: number two, ELF, number three, The All Time Classic White
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  Speaker 4: Christmas number four, the aforementioned Holiday number five, Rudolph the
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  Speaker 4: Red Nose Reindeer, and honorable mention goes to Gremlin and
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  Speaker 4: the Grinch.
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  Speaker 12: Have not said that's the only one I haven't seen
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  Speaker 12: on your list. Gremlin's in the Grinch? No, sorry, Gremlin's
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  Speaker 12: Oh Gremlins Is Gremlin's a Christmas movie? Yes, the Magwai
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  Speaker 12: is a Christmas gift. So Gremlins is the new Diehard.
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  Speaker 12: We're gonna have to We're gonna have to debate this.
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  Speaker 12: I didn't know Gremlins was a Christmas movie.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Gizmo, the actual creature. You have the most
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  Speaker 2: intimate knowledge about the weirdest things.
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  Speaker 7: Dude.
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  Speaker 2: It is wild. It's a formative film in my childhood.
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  Speaker 12: I'm going to work on my top five because Admitdley,
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  Speaker 12: I heard you guys h taking a texture to task.
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  Speaker 2: Who said please take it out of your top five?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Or please? Uh it's a wonderful life look wonderful lessons
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  Speaker 2: in the movie.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think because I was force fed that growing
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  Speaker 12: up multiple times. I just don't need to see it again.
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  Speaker 12: That's fine, but great life lessons. I will formulate my
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  Speaker 12: top five and we will go over that on the show.
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  Speaker 12: We have some in studio guests.
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  Speaker 2: As long as you put the holiday on it, we're golden.
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  Speaker 7: It will not be on it.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot believe you.
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  Speaker 12: It is so bad, like corny, poorly written, bad acting,
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  Speaker 12: even though the cast is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: How are you at rapping gifts? I have a grievance there.
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  Speaker 2: I am horrific at rapping gifts.
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  Speaker 12: I honestly feel like when I wrap a present, I
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  Speaker 12: have a serious learning disability.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, there's something wrong with you, dude, why can
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  Speaker 2: you not do this?
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  Speaker 12: I'm airing a grievance on myself for the people in
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  Speaker 12: my life that have to open up the gifts that
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  Speaker 12: I wrap, because it is just like awful.
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  Speaker 4: I have accepted my fate as a terrible gift wrapper,
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  Speaker 4: and I will find a bag big enough to put
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  Speaker 4: your gift in, no matter what that gift is.
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  Speaker 2: I ended a gift bag, YEP is the ultimate hack
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  Speaker 2: for us, moron.
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  Speaker 12: I ended up doing that for my final three gifts
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  Speaker 12: because I was like shaking. I had anxiety. I had
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  Speaker 12: wrapped like six presents and I look at them. I'm like,
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  Speaker 12: that is what is wrong with you? Dou why can
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  Speaker 12: you not even be kind of good at this?
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  Speaker 4: I saw I saw a video on I think it
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  Speaker 4: was like the Instagram doom scroll the other day where
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  Speaker 4: it was like Japanese gift wrapping is elite.
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  Speaker 2: They only use one piece of tape.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was some guy in like a department
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  Speaker 4: store in Japan and he was performing origami basically around
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  Speaker 4: a box and it was the most beautiful thing I've
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  Speaker 4: ever seen in my life. I said that that's an alien.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not that person's I could never even learn that.
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  Speaker 2: Very impressive.
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  Speaker 12: I probably use seventeen pieces of tape, yeah, because I'll
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  Speaker 12: wrap it and it's like, okay, that's sticking out, go ahead,
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  Speaker 12: scotch tape this side. Okay, now that's sticking out scotch
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  Speaker 12: tape that side. It looks like a four year old
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  Speaker 12: who can't It looks like a blind four year old
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  Speaker 12: wrapped to gifts when I look at mine.
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  Speaker 5: Question for both of you, because I also as another
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  Speaker 5: terrible gift wrapper. Do your guys's gifts come out looking
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  Speaker 5: way too puffy?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: All the time? Absolutely, yah, yep, he see.
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  Speaker 5: I've almost I almost have gotten to the point where
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  Speaker 5: I enjoy seeing mine totally stick out like a sort
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  Speaker 5: thum and be like, yeah, that's mine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm terrible that the bag. The gift bag is
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 2: a magical crutch for all of us.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Good piece of advice for anybody that does not know
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  Speaker 12: how to wrap a gift. Just go with the bag,
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  Speaker 12: put the bow on top, and you're good.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Amazon, by the way, if you click gift this is
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 5: a gift, will send it in a bag.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, I've done that before.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the other thing I refuse.
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  Speaker 4: I wholeheartedly reject the idea that a thoughtful gift needs
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  Speaker 4: to also be thoughtfully wrapped.
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  Speaker 7: Okay. Good.
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  Speaker 4: So if someone is just like on the presentation here,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, deal with it. Yeah, but I got
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  Speaker 4: you your favorite thing. I'm not giving you wrapping paper.
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  Speaker 4: We're throwing that part away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's getting trashed nine seconds after you open it.
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  Speaker 4: So, uh, if you get a gift for me in
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 4: a bag, I'm not even putting the tissue paper in it.
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  Speaker 2: No tissue paper, no, wow, Okay, I'm like, don't look
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  Speaker 2: in the top.
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  Speaker 6: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: All right, be an adult about it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I tape it shut and you're going to
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 4: be a grown up and not worry about the fact
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 4: that there's no tissue paper because that goes right.
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  Speaker 2: In the trash. It is just wasteful. I feel validated,
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 12: I had a very stressful, anxious morning and felt horrible
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 12: about myself after wrapping these gifts.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm sure that they are great gifts, so that
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  Speaker 4: you were thoughtful and conscientious and how you selected them.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. Merry Christmas.
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  Speaker 12: Happy holidays to you and your family and your beautiful
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  Speaker 12: wife and your beautiful kids. And yeah, it's been so
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 12: fun having you on the station man for now a
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 12: year and a half. So thanks for all of your
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 12: contributions and I hope you enjoy it. I have a good,
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 12: good holiday, okay
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  Speaker 4: Same to you and to yours and to everyone out
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 4: there listening, please have a safe holiday, have a happy holiday,
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 4: Merry Christmas, enjoy your family, hug your loved ones, keep
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 4: them close, and we'll talk again in a couple of days,
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  Speaker 4: so Sean'll conn Shawn ESPN seven hundred ninety TWOE FM