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- Lucas: There's a water company that sells nothing but canned still water, and its marketing is basically one long heavy-metal joke. We're talking about Liquid Death, which just crossed a billion-dollar valuation last quarter. And I think it tells us something real about how to build a brand when your product is chemically identical to the competition. Luna: It's literally just water. Not sparkling, not flavored — just flat water in a tallboy can. And yet people wear the logo on t-shirts like it's a band. Lucas: Exactly. Founder Mike Cessario came from the ad world — he worked on Netflix and big consumer brands — and he realized something: water is the biggest category in beverages, but nobody had ever built a brand that young people actually wanted to be seen with. Dasani, Aquafina — those are functional brands. They're about hydration. Liquid Death is about identity. Luna: So he basically took the visual language of Monster Energy and applied it to water. Skulls, gothic fonts, the tagline 'Murder Your Thirst'. Lucas: Right. And it's not just a gimmick — although it absolutely works as one. The deeper strategic move was that Cessario understood the power of a strong, ownable personality in a category where differentiation is almost impossible. You can't make water taste better. You can't really make it healthier — it's already water. So the only vector left is the brand story. Luna: And he bet that a loud, irreverent personality would resonate more than a clean, aspirational one. Which is the opposite of what every other water brand was doing. Lucas: Yeah, and it paid off. Liquid Death started as a Kickstarter in 2019 — raised like $130,000 from people who just loved the idea. And from day one, they weren't just selling water. They were selling a membership to a joke. Every can says 'Don't be a baby — recycle.' Their website sells branded coffins and tombstone-shaped skateboards. Luna: And they've been really smart about taking that joke into the real world. They've done live events where they 'drown' a can of Dasani on stage. They had a fake funeral for plastic bottles. Lucas: But here's what I find most impressive, and what a lot of brand builders miss: Liquid Death doesn't just make jokes — they protect the IP around those jokes. They've trademarked things like 'Murder Your Thirst' and 'Don't Be a Baby.' They license their brand to other companies for limited-edition collaborations. That's not just funny — it's a business moat. If your brand's value is in its personality, you better own every piece of it. Luna: It makes me think about how many brands try to be funny on social media but have nothing behind it. Liquid Death built a whole product line around the joke. The can becomes merchandise. Lucas: And they've been disciplined about it. They've turned down big retail placements because they didn't want to dilute the brand's edge. For the first few years, they only sold online and in a few indie stores. They wanted to build a cult before they built a mass audience. That's the opposite of the typical CPG playbook, where you try to get into Walmart as fast as possible. Luna: But it's working. They're now in Whole Foods, Target, and thousands of convenience stores. And they've expanded into iced tea and seltzer. Still in tallboys, still with the same tone. Lucas: And this is the part where I want to get concrete about what other brands can learn. Because Liquid Death's success isn't just about having a funny ad. It's about a very specific strategic choice: they decided to offend the right people. Luna: Meaning? Lucas: They knew that to get young, cynical consumers to care about water, they had to reject the category norms — the mountain streams, the yoga moms, the 'pure as it gets' clichés. That meant they would alienate the people who like those norms. And they were fine with that. In fact, they leaned into it. Cessario has said publicly that if you don't like their ads, that's fine — you're probably not their customer. That's a luxury most brands don't give themselves. They try to appeal to everyone, and end up appealing to no one. Luna: It's interesting because the risk there is that you turn off investors or retailers who don't get the joke. But Liquid Death's investors — and they've raised over $250 million — clearly bought into the vision. Lucas: And they did something else smart. They built a brand that lives on repeat consumption. If you buy into the culture, you're not just buying one can — you're buying a case, a subscription, a hoodie, a sticker for your laptop. The average Liquid Death customer buys something like five times a year, which is high for a beverage brand. And the margins are good because they skip the traditional distributor model for a lot of their sales. Luna: I also think the packaging choice was a huge part of it. Aluminum cans are more sustainable than plastic, but they also feel premium. And the tallboy format signals energy drink or craft beer — not water. Lucas: Exactly. It's a packaging arbitrage. They took a container associated with rebellion — beer and energy drinks — and put the most boring liquid inside it. That tension is what makes the brand interesting. And it's not just about looking cool; it's about signaling. If you're drinking a Liquid Death at a concert or a meeting, you're telling people something about your taste. Luna: So what's the lesson for a brand builder who's not selling water? Say you sell software or insurance. Can you apply this? Lucas: I think so, but you have to find the right axis of rebellion. Liquid Death rebels against boring hydration. For a financial services brand, maybe you rebel against jargon and complexity — think of how Robinhood or Betterment positioned themselves early on. The key is to pick a fight that your customer actually feels. Don't just be contrarian for the sake of it. Find the thing that your target audience is tired of, and position yourself as the alternative. Luna: And be willing to lose customers who don't get it. That's the hard part for most companies, especially public ones that need to show growth every quarter. Lucas: Right. And that's why I think Liquid Death's story is so instructive. They grew slowly, built a fiercely loyal community, and only then scaled. They could have taken shortcuts — they had offers from big beverage distributors early on — but they said no. They knew that if they watered down the brand, the joke would stop working. Once you've killed the mystique, you can't get it back. Luna: And that discipline is rare. How many brands have we seen that started with a strong identity and then went corporate and bland? It's almost a cliché. Lucas: It's the curse of success. But Liquid Death's management seems aware of it. They've purposely kept their marketing in-house, they still write all their own copy, and they still run absurd campaigns. Just last month, they launched a 'funeral for plastic' event that got huge press. They're still playing the same game they played on Kickstarter six years ago. Luna: There's something almost punk rock about that. And speaking of which — a quick honest thing. A lot of what goes into making this show — the research, the conversations, the editing — it's not cheap. We keep it ad-free because we think that's a better listener experience. But it only works because a handful of listeners chip in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. That support literally funds making this many episodes. So if these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, that's where you can help keep it going. Lucas: Yeah, and we really mean that. It's not a big ask — just a small way for people who get value to make sure the show stays independent. Anyway, back to Liquid Death. I want to dig into one more thing, which is how they've used scarcity and limited editions to drive engagement. Luna: Like the 'Vampire Slayer' flavor they did for Halloween? That sold out in days. Lucas: Exactly. But they also do limited-edition can designs for artists and musicians. It's a classic streetwear tactic — drop culture applied to water. And it works because the cans are collectible. People buy a case, keep a few empties on the shelf, and share them on Instagram. That's free marketing from your most passionate fans. Luna: And it reinforces the brand's identity as something more than a beverage. It's a lifestyle brand that happens to sell water. Lucas: Which is exactly the goal. Cessario has said he wants Liquid Death to be the 'Marlboro of water' — not in the deadly sense, but in the sense that Marlboro built an entire mythology around a commodity. Smoking was just tobacco; Marlboro made it about the American West. Liquid Death is doing the same thing with water, but with a heavy-metal, death-metal aesthetic. Luna: And it's working. They're on track to do over $300 million in revenue this year. Not bad for a joke that started on Kickstarter. Lucas: Final thought: I think the biggest takeaway is that brand differentiation isn't about being different for the sake of it. It's about being different in a way that matters to a specific group of people. Liquid Death didn't try to make water cool for everyone — they made it cool for people who think skulls are cool, who listen to metal, who hate plastic, who want to signal that they're not into corporate wellness culture. They defined their audience narrowly, and then they owned that space completely. Luna: And they've stayed true to that. Even as they've grown, they never tried to be everything to everyone. That's the brand lesson that's hardest to follow, but it's the one that creates real equity. Lucas: So here's a question to wrap on: What's the one category you think is ripe for a Liquid Death-style rebellion? Where's the boring product that needs a punk rock makeover? Luna: I'll go first: laundry detergent. It's all white bottles and 'fresh clean scent.' I'd love to see a brand that's like 'Destroy The Dirt' with a skull on the bottle. Lucas: I'd say office supplies. Staples, Post-its — they're so joyless. Give me a notebook that says 'For Your Brilliant Failures.' Someone will do it. Luna: Maybe they already have. But that's the thing — once you see Liquid Death's playbook, you start seeing opportunities everywhere. Lucas: And that's the kind of thinking that builds brands that last. For Fexingo Business, I'm Lucas. Luna: And I'm Luna. See you next time.