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JFK Assassination - Ep. 284 - Jack Ruby's Girls · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Everything is going to hail down here in dusky cheers, Joy and Joey,
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  I was just thinking the truth. The fat chef che in the long
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  Going Chan and here we go, and here we go. I'll do it
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  since Joe's muted himself. Welcome everybody to the show. Hi Joe, Hi,
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  well Alpha sixty six beat me to it anyway, good lord, I
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  think I screwed it up. And here we go. Yeah, yeah,
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  anyway, and here we go. Welcome to the show. This is episode
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  number two and eighty four of the Longoment Podcast. It is II the Triple
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  B your host, and along with me today is the Bearded Clam from the
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  Northeast. Joe Barelli, Hi Joe, Good evening everyone. Oh catskills Joe,
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  Yes, sir, that's vague. That's pretty vague, right, Yeah,
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  I guess he's vaganough. Yeah, you can get away with that.
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  Yeah. So how was your week, sir? It was good week?
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  Yeah, two weeks. I am on day thirteen in the mountain and it
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  is interesting. I'm doing a lot of reading, a lot of research,
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  a lot of exercising, all that good stuff. You know. It sounds
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  like fun, burning wood, chopping wood. It snowed, it's rained the
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  last two days, it's completely rained. So well I know of MS being
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  live here on YouTube. It's been two weeks, and just a reminder,
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  folks, if you're here and you love us, hit the subscribe button.
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  We're almost the fifteen hundred subscribers, which would be epic to accomplish before this
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  show is over tonight, make sure you like this video. Hit that little
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  bell to get notified. Every time we go live and well, without further
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  ado, we're gonna be talking about Jack Ruby's girls, his dancers, his
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  entertainers, his women of the night, if you will on this show.
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  There's some interesting things out there about a lot of his entertainers and dancers,
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  and they had a lot of things to say about Jack Ruby and about the
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  assassination itself. And we're gonna get into all that, I promise, but
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  before we do, I just wanted to say hi to everybody and a big
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  thank you, especially to John my buddy, than Thank you so much.
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  You are the man. And Greg Man, thank you, sir. I
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  know it's been a while. I hung out with Greg when I went to
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  Dallas, Joe back in twenty nineteen. We hooked up and we went to
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  the well notough, not Jack Ruby sense of hooking up. Well, I
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  humped his leg a little bit. If that counts. Okay, that counts
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  as long as you just eat them and stuff. No, no, no,
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  I did eat something with Greg. We we I think we might have
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  ubered our way over to Lee Harvey's. It's a very i'll just say,
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  run down cool place to hang out. It is a dive bar, for
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  sure, but it has a certain you're just gonna say, QUI if you
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  will, Joe. Yeah, it's one of the places where you walk into
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  the bathroom and just every corner of it is covered in graffiti and piss and
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  it stinks, but all that and then and then you walk out of the
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  bar and then they have a like a flea market setup where people sell like
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  old albums and leather goods and it's just a kind of a hub caps and
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  what I don't know what all they said, probably meth and you know,
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  a little bit of crack, but we had a blast. Me and Greg.
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  We uh drank a couple of Bruce Kys and ate some ate, some
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  chicken, some bar chicken. It was. It was damn good though.
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  Uh yeah, we we kind of hung out. We were like the youngest
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  ones that were at Lancer that year, so we kind of hung out,
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  uh that weekend, I think, and I think Greg can attest to the
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  fact that your boy wrote a scooter and didn't reckon I know, well you
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  sir in Dallas. I made this announcement on the effect and I will reannounce
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  it. But I have been training on the bird and I'm going to conquer
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  training wheels on your bird scooter. No, there's no training wheels and fact,
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  in fact, I'm gonna pull tray. You're gonna pull what tricks?
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  Oh, it's like kind of like a pun for the show in a way,
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  right, Papa Wheelie. I'm just gonna pull tricks like Ruby's girls.
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  And yeah, I'm gonna like blow away the whole answer or smoking section,
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  which is a pretty happening place to be, might I say so myself?
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  And uh, even though I don't smoke anymore, But it's just like fun
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  to go down there and hang out and get your coffee in the morning and
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  still smoke something. Right, Oh well the electronic kind. I mean thanks,
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  you just considered smoking, Joe, I know. I figured we're screwed
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  ready for this one. So oh no, there should be a there should
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  be a home run. No in terms of them, in terms of this
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  place. Yeah, we'll be all right, all right, excuse me,
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  So let's say what's up to everybody? I see? Uh, tiny Dancer,
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  Hello, I'm dying here. Who too much Silk City? No,
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  I mean no spicy meat stick? And I't got a piece of spicy like
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  big time. Who it happens? Oh, man, it happens? Who
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  great? You Tiny Dancer off of sixty six of Chorus Claude Williams South to
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  West td Garden and guns, Tiny Dancer, The Big Bad Bob? Is
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  that is your real name? It is I don't hate No, I was
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  given that by a very famous person. Uh you know, it's just remember
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  like Bob and Doug Campbell, they actually to go to this show what was
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  it called? You know, when you when you're deemed by one of the
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  greats to be Bob Clark, then that is what I then that is what
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  I shall be. Yeah, true big nonob yes who it is? Uh
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  hard, I'm still on fire here. I wish it was this, but
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  it's not. So if you want to feel like me right now, heading
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  down in the description and follow the link and uh enter the code for twenty
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  percent off of your entire order, you won't regret it. What's your butthole?
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  Mite? That is an old ad mm hmm yeah. The uh Silk
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  City messaged me on Twitter a couple of weeks ago, and uh, I
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  guess they're going to send me what they sent you. Oh nice, Yeah,
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  yeah, I love Jeff and Silk City. They freaking shout thank you,
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  big shout out. All right, Joe, guess what I found?
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  What did you find? Sir? Because you know I was sitting there and
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  I was thinking, all right, I'm trying to think of all these dancers.
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  You know, I'm like, okay, there was Jada, you know,
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  Tammy, true little Lynn. You know, I'm trying to go through
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  and figure and remember all these strict Oh I shouldn't say that word all these
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  entertainers' names, right, you already said much worse. So at this point,
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  like not really, I found a list of fifty five of Ruby's dancer
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  girls. And among the notables on this list that you may have heard of
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  before is Atlas from Dallas, April Flowers, Betty McDonald, who was Nancy
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  Jane Mooney, who was dag O's girlfriend and who ended up hanging herself in
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  prison or in Jail County jail about two months after the assassination. Yeah,
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  Candy bar Juanita Phillips, she dated Mickey Cohen for a time. There was
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  Delilah, There was Diana the Huntress. There was Jewel Brown, the African
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  American jazz singer who is now like historic and famous. And she was mentioned
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  in the previous episode with author Danny Finger Roths and she was not I want
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  to uh specified, she was not a dancer. She was a singer.
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  And I listened to an interesting interview with her today where she said, uh,
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  someone gave her one hundred dollars tip and Ruby came over and said,
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  where's my half And she goes, excuse me, mister Rube, I'm not
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  one of your dancers. And she later you know, became a legend in
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  the jazz community. So okay, thank you for that boring aside. Joe
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  all right, back to the dancers, folks. Uh, this is a
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  singer dancer. Nobody cares about jazz singer. I mean she's a legendary,
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  but well whatever. Uh, Geneva Foster, Jada of course, joy Dale,
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  who was Joyce, Glee McDonald, Kathy Kay, Little Lynn, Marilyn
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  Moon, Nausea, Najada, Nikki Joyce, Peggy Steele, Penny Dollar was
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  a big one back in the day. And we'll touch on some of these
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  a little bit more. Robin Hood Rose share me for a time, Tammy.
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  True. So there's a lot of these, A lot of these women
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  are kind of interlaced with the Carousel Club and Jack Ruby and even other elements
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  of the story. You know, when you're thinking about Dallas being this this
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  huge city now, I mean, it seems like back in nineteen sixty three,
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  Joe, everybody was kind of new everybody, you know. I mean,
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  when you have people like that just come in and out of the story,
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  you know. And we'll get into a lot of these stories because there's
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  a lot of good ones and some definite tidbits that you haven't heard before,
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  that's for sure. But Joe, you want to start us off with the
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  a v g A. Sure. So one of the things you might have
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  been wondering is how did Jack Ruby get his girls? Uh? Oh,
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  that's a girl on the right. I was talking at bottom right that you
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  were poop pooing roub. Yeah, I mean she's I mean she became like
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  really famous. So yeah, true, you know you have Jada on the
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  bottom left. I believe that's Kathy Ka in the bottom middle, uh,
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  Diana Hunter and a few girls on the top. And yes, and this
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  was another this is a Jada Jada. And so most Jada, most high
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  end girls came from the American Guild of Variety Artists the AGVA AGVA, and
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  that was an entertainment union. The carolcol Club closed in nineteen sixty February nineteen
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  sixty four, so it was actually open more than two months after Jack Ruby
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  Shotley Oswald on the twenty fourth. And because variety is the spice of life?
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  Is that how that saying goes? I was gonna ask you good.
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  So the girls would travel from club to club around the state and country.
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  However, Jack Ruby liked to use amateur girls who could who were not hired
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  by the AGVA rules, and they would cost ten to fifteen dollars a night
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  instead of a minimum thirty five for the AGVA Union dancer like minimum wage.
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  Well, I happen to have here, Joe Sure, with the folks at
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  home, an AVGA contract with the Carousel Club signed by Jack Ruby. And
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  this is for the dancer named Tony Turner. And this is from February of
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  nineteen sixty two. And just to give you all guys an example of what
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  he would pay his girls. Now, this is a pre formed contract basically,
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  and he wrote a lot of stuff into it. I don't know how
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  legally binding that is, but I guess it is if she signed it.
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  But basically, this says that the operator hereby warrants that he is the operator
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  herein at the present time and for the duration of this contract act and engages
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  the artist, and the artist hereby accepts set engagement to present her act under
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  the direction, supervision and control of the operator, as an exotic snake act
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  of one person at the Carousel Club in the city of Dallas, for a
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  period of two two consecutive weeks, seven days a week, three times a
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  day, starting on Monday, February twenty sixth, nineteen sixty two, for
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  which the operator agrees to pay the artist, and the artist agrees to accept
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  as full payment to sum of one hundred and seventy five dollars weekly payable immediately
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  preceding their first performance on the concluding night of each week's engagement. Hereunder artist
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  hereby gives in grants to the operator the option of extending this agreement for two
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  additional periods of two consecutive weeks each. Okay, So basically what that means
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  is Jack Ruby paid her one hundred and seventy five dollars a week for two
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  weeks to do her show, and if it's successful, he has the option
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  of renewing her for two more consecutive weeks at that same rate, at the
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  same rate interesting until he decides to stop. Okay, So she doesn't really
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  have a say in it. And this is what Jada got upset about later
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  on, because she didn't read the fine print, apparently because he would.
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  She wanted to go back to New Orleans, but he kept her under contract,
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  he kept renewing her option right, and she got pissed and she ended
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  up, you know, almost having him arrested and taking him to court over
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  it. Well, they did, actually, they went to Bill Decker took
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  them to a judge and they settled it without like for the drama. But
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  I was reading about that today and and it's very interest as one of them.
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  Yeah, it's very interesting because she has some very interesting movements during that
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  weekend that we'll get into. It just says basically that the artist shall always
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  have feature billing, which means top billing. The above agreement shall consist of
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  a number total of six weeks, including options. A determination of the above
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  contract, the operators shall have to do a new contract at two hundred dollars
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  a week for four weeks, with a four week option at two hundred dollars
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  a week. So there's you know, different things that they would agree to.
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  But that was Tony Turner Exotic Snake act. I would have liked to
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  have seen that Exotic Snake act. I imagine where that snake went. Well,
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  you know what the one of the arguments is started with a Jada was
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  she kept lifting her g string and at the carousel, aka like showing a
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  little flash, you know. And Ruby did not like that because he was
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  competing with the Weinsteins, right and after reading uh Danny finger Off's book and
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  reading a ton today and listening to all of his uh dancers and reading a
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  ton of their testimonies. He was really like concerned with that. He wanted
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  to be considered an upscale joint. But he had more than the carousel.
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  He had the Vegas club, he had the colony. He I think he
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  had more more and uh and uh tiny dancer, you know, yeah,
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  instead of little Lynn. So how Jack Ruby got around a lot of this
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  And the contract you just showed, right, was that for? What was
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  that for? Who is it for? Yeah? The contract to oh,
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  yes, Tony Okay, so I'm guessing she was a Yeah, so she
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  was a union a union dancer. But they would have amateur nights where they
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  would have girls come off the streets and pretend like they were amateurs. Right,
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  it's not two different today, really, but right, it really isn't.
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  But he would get around a lot of girls that he was just like,
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  Hey, you want to come dance my club, I'll pay you one
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  hundred dollars. Sure, well, girls, yeah, and then go over
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  well with the union dancers. And again they were guaranteed their money, and
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  they were guaranteed future billing. So they have got too upset And I have
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  a graph from an HCA Ruby call log which shows his number of calls during
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  the spring to November nineteen sixty three, and we'll show you the the corroboration
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  with the union, the issues, and then how it jumped right before the
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  assassination. It's really interesting, but I think it's pretty safe to say Ruby
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  was trying to get around a lot of these union rules. Even though I
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  think the union was pretty much mob or run or influence anyway, I don't
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  see a way it couldn't have been. You know, you talk about like
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  the pensions union with HAFA that Colonel Rabbit, thank you, right, like
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  you have you have to think this this union was mobbed up, right,
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  Rob, I can't hear you. So you caught me off guard. Yeah,
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  I'm sure somebody who's getting some kickbacks from it, but you know,
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  it's typical. I don't know how legit of an organization this was, but
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  you know what I'm saying, or what it encompassed, or if it was
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  nationwide, or if it was the Dallas thing or apparently apparently it was nationwide,
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  and a lot of the girls would make complaints to the union, which
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  would piss Ruby off. And I think That's why he tried to get around
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  it in a lot of ways with the amateur nights and then the Carousel Club.
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  He or two out of his four clubs, he restricted amateur nights and
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  only let amateurs perform at two of them, so he was like kind of
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  separating them. He was still competing with the Weinsteins across the street, who
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  were much more successful than he was, and he was really concerned about his
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  image. Yeah, and like today's dollars, you know, I'm sure a
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  good dancer like well, I don't know how it is in Connecticut, Joe,
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  But I don't know either here close to where I live at actually about
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  twenty minutes from West Virginia, and Virginia doesn't have like full nude bars,
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  you know what I'm saying. But West Virginia US right, and maybe months
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  ago I might have partaken in some funny evenings across the border, and it
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  look them girls easy easily make the good ones could easily make three to five
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  hundred at night. Now they might have snorting two hundred of that at night,
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  but yeah, it was it's they make good money now, so yeah,
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  I would they make thousands the tops But Tammy Tammy. True. Basically
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  she wrote a book and she basically took the job, and she said it
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  afforded her because I guess I think her husband knocked her up and left her,
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  so she was forced to move in with her mom and she was able
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  to afford a house and uh, you know, her mom didn't have to
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  work anymore and all this stuff. So yeah, I mean they were set
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  up pretty good back then, definitely. And she was one of Jack Ruby's
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  most longest serving dancers, and she was We got to get to the Parkland
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  stuff because in addition to Ruby at Parkland, guess who else was there?
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  YadA YadA who hit somebody trying to flee Dallas on the morning of the twenty
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  second near the Texas instruments like the calculator I think factory, And she went
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  in and there was an f and she called someone for help, and I
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  guess they dropped the guy off at some other clinic then went to Park Morrison
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  story, Joe, here's the story. So this is from the Garrison investigations
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  from Detective Frank Melloch from Saint Louis or invatory information received by telephone from Charles
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  Byrne Saint Louis Miteruri, March tenth, sixty seven. He said, I
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  was on the job working for Texas Instruments on the day of the assassination,
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  about thirty minutes before it happened. I was walking between two buildings about a
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  half a block off Lemon Avenue, which was on the Medor He said,
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  I was crossing the street and I stepped out in the street and I was
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  hit by this gal in a Cadillac license number Louisiana license number nine four one
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  nine eight five. And her name was Jeannette Conforto. She was in Dallas
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  on that day and she was employed by the Carousel Club owner Jack Ruby.
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  She made the statement to the company security people since they were on the accident
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  job, and they questioned her she was in a hurry to get to New
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  Orleans right away, and she made this statement. They asked if they could
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  get a hold of her on the job at the Carousel Club, and she
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  said no, the nightclub wouldn't be opened that night. Yeah, that's this
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  Friday night, yep, right there, yep. And this is credit to
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  Tony Chrome from the Jacks for emotion. I want to give him credit for
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  that, but yeah, I just want to show you how close that accident
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  was to the parade route and Lemon which you just mentioned. And then they
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  booked it right there to apparently drop off Burns right and then to Parkland right.
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  So, as it turned out, it wasn't open that night because of
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  the assassination. And she had this fellow that was with her. I can't
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  remember his name. It wasn't on the accident report. But they carried me
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  over to the clinic to be x rayed, and it all happened while I
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  was in the clinic. They were actually with me at the clinic when it
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  happened. It came over the radio and he told me a long line of
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  stuff that turned out not to be true. I don't know. I just
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  thought you people might get interested in some of this information. This information,
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  I understand, was given to the NPI by the security chief. Hell's that
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  noise? Someone called me, good lord? Sorry? Was she with you
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  at the clinic? Did she seem nervous or upset? She was almost hysterical,
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  you think, for the fact of hitting you. I don't know.
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  She was cussing me for doing this. She went into a side building and
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  used to telephone to call this guy and he was there in about two minutes.
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  He was somewhere close in another cadillact. You don't know who this fellow
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  was. I don't know, but the security chief does know because he got
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  his name and everything, but it was never entered on the accident report.
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  My security chief was working for Texas Instruments. Blah blah blah, accident report.
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  It all sounds fishy to me. I'm calling from Saint Louis. I'm
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  still working for Texas Instruments, but I'm up here on field service for McDonald's
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  aircraft. My number is blah blah blah. If you'd like to talk to
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  me and give me a call, Detective Frank Meloch. So apparently Jada was
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  in a hurry on eleven, twenty two sixty three to get the hell out
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  of Dallas and go back to New Orleans. So continue the story, and
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  I think now we get to Parkland. Yes, so she gets a ride
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  to Parkland or I'm not sure, lot my chuck both her. She arrives
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  at Parkland first and then followed by Little Lynn. And of course we know
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  by Seth Canter's testimony that Ruby was at Parkland, So why what allegedly yeah,
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  so you do have documentation of two Ruby strippers, Jada arriving before the
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  president arrived and Little Lynn arriving after and who knows when Jack Ruby arrived.
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  And this is in part of Little Lynn's Warn Commission testimony and other corresponding documents.
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  And it's really interesting because she's trying to leave on eleven twenty two,
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  she gets in an accident, she ends up at Parkland, she ends up
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  staying to the twenty fourth. She then and i'll show you the documents of
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  this shortly. She then drives back to New Orleans literally within minutes of the
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  time Ruby shoots Oswalt, but then, when hearing about it on the radio,
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  decides to stop at a gas station, make some phone calls, and
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  then turn around and go back to Texas on Sunday. So her movements make
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  absolutely no sense to me, and especially considering their previous argument with the contract.
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  She's trying to leave, she can't leave. Her boyfriend is a mafioso
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  sounding guy. And let me show you this because I exactly because you know,
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  it was an interesting day rob Wednesday, the twenty second or the twentieth,
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  So that is when Jada YadA Jada I'm gonna do that every time.
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  This is a deep this is actually a commissioned document. It's a party,
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  mister Frank T. Tortillo. See, I won't miss that one up boyfriend
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  of Jada, exotic dancer at the Cals Carousel Club. This is all participants
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  at a party. Jack Ruby, Joe F. Freder Rioli, a nephew
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  of Veto Genovese who was the mob boss of Philly in New Jersey, his
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  wife, missus Ann Bryant, who resides in the same parking lots Jada,
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  and hey, shout out to John Naylor because I don't know if this is
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  your relative, but it was Naylor's understanding. This was the guy that was
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  furnishing the information to the FBI that Joe P. Fredis Fredriski. I'm sorry
• 33:27
  it's so hard to read. And his wife left for Dallas Thursday, November
• 33:31
  twenty first, a day before the assassination for New Jersey or someplace in the
• 33:37
  east. So that is also the day that little Lynn claimed to the Warrant
• 33:45
  Commission that she quit the Carousel Club. And so I'm wondering how serious was
• 33:59
  this dispute If they're partying together on the twentieth, and she is a chance
• 34:07
  to get out on the twenty second. She doesn't really have to come back,
• 34:09
  right The guy didn't declined Burns declined medical assistance. Why go to Parkland?
• 34:16
  Why not just keep going to New Orleans? Why not go to New
• 34:21
  Orleans on Sunday? She just didn't, And I don't know why. It's
• 34:27
  very interestingly. She had a kid who was in New Orleans that she wanted
• 34:32
  to get back to. So she says, yeah, so this is what
• 34:36
  she said to the Warren Commission, missus Powell. Yeah, go ahead,
• 34:42
  Oh this is Jada. No, No, Jada had a kid in New
• 34:45
  Orleans. She wanted to get Oh, okay, okay, I'm just gonna
• 34:51
  go to Little Lens right now. Warren Commission testimony. Uh, she's getting
• 34:55
  questioned by mister Burke Griffin, who we are our guest touched upon last episode.
• 35:02
  Wait a minute, I know I went to Tulsa. This is Little
• 35:07
  Linn speaking, and I worked the last two weeks in March. I stayed
• 35:10
  in Tulsa in March, and I worked two weeks in Kansas City, Kansas
• 35:15
  City rob and came back and stayed in Tulsa until June second, and I
• 35:22
  came home. Then when did you come back and work for Jack? Wait,
• 35:27
  don't rush me. That was last summer. How did I get up
• 35:31
  past the up way past the assassination? It was last summer while I worked
• 35:37
  for Jack Ruby up until two days before the president was assassination assassinated. I
• 35:42
  closed on Tuesday. It happened on Thursday, didn't it? Mister Griffin was
• 35:46
  like Friday? So she playing stupid here? You have to think so,
• 35:51
  yeah, I mean remember she said I got mad and quit for some reason.
• 35:57
  I mean, you're gonna remember a couple of months later why you got
• 36:00
  mad and quit your job. We were going to get there, I promised,
• 36:07
  But yeah, uh yeah, she got mad at him and quit and
• 36:13
  doesn't even remember why. And and this is actually kind of like, if
• 36:21
  you're pissed enough to quit your job, you know why. I mean,
• 36:24
  come on, right, so we'll get to uh. The testimony of Andrew
• 36:31
  Armstrong Wasn't wasn't little Lynn the one that did Jack Ruby Western Union, like
• 36:39
  right before he went and shot Oswald in the basement, yep, fort Worth.
• 36:45
  So she quit already. Maybe I guess he was paying her what he
• 36:50
  oder left maybe or money it's possible, but I think I viewed from what
• 36:59
  I was able to clean from reading a ton of dancer interviews and the interviews
• 37:06
  of the manager that took over once we went to jail that we'll get into,
• 37:09
  I promise. I looked at little Lynn as probably one of his most
• 37:17
  reliable, long term and pretty much loyal employees. But whether that loyalty was
• 37:29
  out of love or fear, that goes back to the Bronx tail. I
• 37:37
  think it probably was out of fear, because when you look at some of
• 37:39
  these HCA stuff and statements we're going to get into of the guy that the
• 37:46
  manager that quote unquote took over once RB went to jail. He was still
• 37:52
  scared in the HCA time and was keeping his mouth shut, and will show
• 37:58
  you how they literally had to, you know, pluck your teeth to get
• 38:05
  what's the what's the saying, pull your teeth to get an answer out of
• 38:10
  you, like he will show you how. In two sentences, he goes,
• 38:15
  oh, no, I don't know about that, And they got while
• 38:16
  you told our arvestigator this, and he goes, oh yeah, yeah,
• 38:20
  yeah, oh yeah, I'm pretty sure I could say that, oh yeah,
• 38:22
  that it's well it's your sea, folks, And I see some of
• 38:28
  the comments. People had a high opinion of Jack Ruby, and some were
• 38:32
  very loyal to him, but there was also some who said quite the opposite.
• 38:39
  And before we get a little too further, Joe I wanted to touch
• 38:43
  on some of the deaths of some of Jack Ruby's girls real quick. Sure,
• 38:49
  So we have Benny McDonald, Dancy Mooney in February sixty four, suicide
• 38:54
  by hanging in Dallas jail, Rose sharing Me hit and run victim in September
• 39:00
  of sixty five, Little Lynn nineteen sixty six, victim of a gunshot.
• 39:10
  Yeah, Delilah Uh, shot by her husband after one month of marriage in
• 39:15
  September of sixty six. I'm just scanning them real quick, did did you?
• 39:36
  Maybe that's all we got the dancers, But in that small span of
• 39:42
  well, nineteen sixty six, the first nine months. Okay, you have
• 39:47
  Judge Joe Brown, who presided over the Ruby trial, dead of a heart
• 39:53
  attack. Little Lynn, of course, we said, uh. Ruby employee
• 40:00
  who was last talked with Ruby before the Oswald shooting. She died from a
• 40:02
  gunshot. Arlene Roberts, Oswald's landlady, has a heart attack, al bouguarde
• 40:09
  car salesman who said Oswald test ray of car suicide. Captain Frank Martin,
• 40:15
  Joe Dallas captain who witnessed the Oswald Sling Ruby shooting. Oswald told the Warrant
• 40:22
  Commission, there's a lot to be said, but probably be better if I
• 40:25
  didn't say it. Now. Cancer got him Lee Bowers Junior car accident.
• 40:32
  And then Delilah was shot by her husband after one month of marriage. William
• 40:39
  Pittser, who was a JFK autopsy photographer who described his duty as a horrifying
• 40:46
  experience suicide. So yeah, there's James Warrell saw a man fleet the rear
• 40:55
  of the Texas School Depository car wreck. So there's just when does conspiracy or
• 41:06
  when does coincidence become a conspiracy? And the only reason I bring all this
• 41:09
  up is of course, to tie in ties in Joe with the U from
• 41:14
  the Roscoe White episode, you know, of his of his hit list.
• 41:19
  You know, he says he was out killing these people, you know,
• 41:22
  in the years after the assassination. And you gotta wonder because I think Jada
• 41:29
  when the Janda Johna did she died in a weird way, but it wasn't
• 41:32
  until nineteen eighty. She might have died in a motorcycle accident. Was it
• 41:37
  was her a little linn one of the It wasn't a little nu. I
• 41:45
  think I might have been forty four for Jada. I think I read that.
• 41:51
  Yeah, it was in nineteen eighty. Uh huh, Yeah, it's
• 42:00
  not that. I think that's right. Actually, I know it's right.
• 42:06
  Tiny Dancer said the the real money is in yachting, and I was like,
• 42:09
  like, below Deck, I have ever seen that show? I have
• 42:15
  not, Oh, don't worry, it's a probably it's a it's a Bravo
• 42:23
  show about these people, these deckhands and these cooks that hook up below deck.
• 42:30
  Sure that's what it's called. If it's on the Bravo network. Yeah,
• 42:34
  no, it's called Tiny Dancer backed me up. It's it's called below
• 42:37
  Deck. Yeah, it's funny. Uncle Dave in the house. What's up,
• 42:45
  buddy? Yes, what's he saying? Frederico exported left Dallas twenty second
• 42:53
  in the early morning hours. That's what I just I think I just read
• 42:59
  that. I think I said the first twenty first, But yes, he
• 43:00
  did leave before the assassination and h hitch it back up East. They weren't
• 43:07
  sure where forget about Larry Crayford too, right, Oh, I have a
• 43:14
  beautiful statement here from little Lynn on Larry Crafford. Do you want to see
• 43:17
  it? Yes? I love this one, all right, give me a
• 43:23
  second, jolenmen. Oh he was handsome, and here we go, old
• 43:35
  Elsie, all right, come up now, yep and uh shot. You
• 43:46
  might be shocked by this. She might not be, but she described him
• 43:50
  as a creep. Mister Griffin, do you remember the last fellow, Larry
• 43:59
  Crayford. Isn't he kind of a carnival guy? That is the fellow?
• 44:08
  Yes, I remember him. Do you remember anything about Jack's twist board?
• 44:14
  Interesting? Yes, I demonstrated his twist board here in the building with the
• 44:19
  exhibits, and this is little Liigan the Texas Product show. Yes. How
• 44:25
  many times did you go out to demonstrate? Just once? How long were
• 44:29
  you there? Thirty minutes of an hour? Jack called me and blah blah
• 44:31
  blah. He had another fellow. Oh there was another boy he had picked
• 44:37
  up in addition to Larry Crayford, by the name of Tommy. According to
• 44:43
  them, maybe he had another fellow. At this time, I was demonstrating
• 44:50
  the twist board that this boy was living with him. His name was Tommy
• 44:54
  something, and he was staying with him the last time I was there,
• 44:59
  living in Jack's apartment. Yes, and you have to keep in mind that
• 45:07
  Little Lynn was living in the same apartment complex as Jack Ruby because her old
• 45:12
  apartment complex was a little CD and there was a lot of bad stuff going
• 45:17
  on. So when this new apartment complex opened, Ruby invited Little Lynn to
• 45:29
  stay in that complex. And that was that is that same complex. To
• 45:34
  Uncle Dave's point, that that party was hosted where Frederico Fredericio or whatever his
• 45:42
  name was, was there, the nephew of Vito and Geneviez. So at
• 45:50
  this time blah blah blah living in Jack's apartment. Yes, they came out
• 45:54
  there and we went to the apartment and Jack cooked dinner for us. All
• 45:58
  how old a felt? Was Tommy about twenty five? I guess what did
• 46:02
  he look like? Well, I think he looked. He told me he
• 46:07
  had played baseball. He looked like a baseball player. Baseball players all look
• 46:12
  alike, sort of athletic type, but not muscle muscle pout. I didn't
• 46:19
  know that before, Uh, there was a specific baseball type about haltel five
• 46:24
  to eleven, brown hair. I think he was from Iowa, really nice
• 46:29
  kid, had a job. Was he working? I don't know how long
• 46:34
  had Tommy been living with jack I don't know when did he move out?
• 46:37
  You got me? I don't know. Uh. And this is a common
• 46:43
  trend throughout all the testimony for a lot of Rubi's dancers and his employees.
• 46:50
  I don't know, I can't remember. I have to check on that.
• 46:54
  I've seen it all day, I've seen it all week. And he goes
• 46:59
  to colle at TCU and you can drop him off. So he's having a
• 47:05
  little linn drop this boy off that was staying with him at TCU the college
• 47:09
  there, Texas Christian University, and this kid was working around there. Blah
• 47:15
  blah blah blah blah blah. And then while she was driving him home,
• 47:19
  she asked him, how long have you known Jackie? And he said,
• 47:22
  I don't know him. I didn't have enough money to get to Fort Worth,
• 47:25
  and I started talking to him on the street and he told me to
• 47:29
  come up to the club and he give me a couple of dollars to work,
• 47:31
  and then he got me a ride. So later in the testimony,
• 47:37
  he goes on to state how Ruby was being made fun of for picking people
• 47:43
  up on the street and was telling them to say he's a friend of his
• 47:47
  from Chicago's yeah, a little desperation. It's kind of like an edward edwin
• 47:57
  Walker situation, right, and the uh look and Dallas was freaky back in
• 48:02
  the day. Man. That's all I can tell you. What's up?
• 48:05
  Colleen? Oh, better late than never. You can catch it all in
• 48:13
  the replay as well. But welcome in, so Joe, I think play
• 48:21
  a little bit of Jatta that interview you got. Yes, people can get
• 48:24
  a little taste of exotica. Okay, what's up, Sally? Welcome in
• 48:32
  first time on the live. Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome Sally.
• 48:43
  Hopefully this will work. You're hearing gotta. How long did you know Jack
• 48:50
  Ruby? I know Jack Ruby for possibly four or five six months reship.
• 48:57
  I was employed as the feature at the Carousel Club, and I had known
• 49:01
  Jackie before I went to work there, and I had a slight hashle with
• 49:07
  Jack and I had left, and that was the end of my association with
• 49:09
  Kimi, particularly regarding the Kennedy. I have heard Jack talk about the Kennedys
• 49:20
  and I've been trying to think and it's so confusing today, but I believe
• 49:23
  he dislikes Bobby Kennedy. No recollection of what he had ever said about the
• 49:30
  president. Yes, he followed that statements up about Bobby with something about Jack
• 49:37
  Kennedy. But I can't for the minute to just form it in my mind.
• 49:42
  Do you think that the Jack Ruby is a type of man that was
• 49:46
  capable of killing the assassin of President Kennedy out of love for kennedy political moments?
• 50:00
  Very carefully? I don't think he loved Kennedy that much. I don't
• 50:09
  know why he would do it. I'd say he would be perfectly capable of
• 50:13
  an act like that very much. So all right, So I could not
• 50:23
  hear that, guys, because I was playing it through my computer. So
• 50:27
  that's why we were doing that back and forth. What did you think was
• 50:30
  she pretty careful with her words or not? I would say she was very
• 50:36
  methodical. I mean, given what happened, given the fact that you know
• 50:40
  she wanted this guy arrested, charges brought on him. Then they're partying together
• 50:45
  two days before the assassination. Then this weird stuff happens on November twenty second
• 50:51
  with her trying to leave Dallas and just before Ruby shot Oswald. Just weird
• 50:59
  but actual concepts. Man, thank you so much. You rock sir.
• 51:05
  Oh wow, thank you. However you identify, I'm guessing you're a dude,
• 51:10
  and thank you. Yes, and Colleen is well coming in strong with
• 51:16
  the supersticker. We appreciate it. Man. You guys are really I feel
• 51:22
  I feel almost like a stripper getting tipped in the Carousel Club. Joe.
• 51:29
  It's kind of like that. Let me show you some h h. Yeah.
• 51:37
  I think Jack Tayler brings up a great point here, very guarded.
• 51:42
  Yeah, it's very suspect. Very yes. Should we should we talk about
• 51:49
  the the bartender real of the Carousel Club, a guy by the name of
• 51:55
  Andrew Armstrong. Now this was a back in the time, you know,
• 52:01
  wasn't very popular to have, you know, black people employed in these white
• 52:08
  establishments and in very high ranking positions. And it technically he was the bartender.
• 52:16
  And was he sleeping there Joe as well. No, I don't think
• 52:22
  he slept there. I think he think it was just there. Yes,
• 52:25
  yes, I believe so. I think he had his own place, so
• 52:28
  he was working for Ruby for eighteen months. So initially and as we'll get
• 52:35
  there in a second, h he did testify to the Warrant commission. Uh,
• 52:38
  he ran the club after Ruby was arrested. And he, let's just
• 52:45
  say, he likes to change his story and you literally have to have a
• 52:52
  crowbar to kind of get it out of his mouth and get his mouth open
• 52:58
  because he is not he does not volunteer anything. Well mind, you know
• 53:06
  the black workers at the school book depository. Keep in mind, these guys
• 53:10
  didn't want to say anything or be associated with any of this white people business
• 53:17
  shooting each other, you know what I mean. So yeah, leave me
• 53:21
  the f out of it, Like, keep this in mind here, Okay,
• 53:29
  And we're gonna do a little will be Bert Griffin And that will be
• 53:35
  Andrew Armstrong Jr. For this little spicy monologue. Yes, so okay,
• 53:45
  So let's give him an example of Andrew Armstrong's Warren commissioned testimony. Sure,
• 53:50
  and we're just gonna read this. We're not going to put it up.
• 53:52
  But uh, I mean, you could just go to Mary Farrell and type
• 53:57
  in Jada and it will be the first thing that comes up and documents.
• 54:00
  But Andrew Armstrong junior was a Ruby manager. I should have put that in
• 54:07
  quotation marks because he kind of self well, he basically was the manager when
• 54:15
  he was Yeah, he ran it after after Ruby went to jail for Ribby
• 54:22
  went from there a lot. He ran it, you know, he was
• 54:23
  in charge. Yeah, I mean and if and okay, so we'll get
• 54:30
  we'll get to it. So I'm going to start, all right, So
• 54:37
  the Warrant Commission, So, mister Armstrong, the Warreck Commission indicated that you
• 54:45
  met him in the spring of Ruby in the spring of nineteen sixty two when
• 54:49
  you first went into the carousel for a job. Was that the first time
• 54:52
  you met Jack Ruby or had there been a previous contact in the late nineteen
• 54:58
  fifties, Ha, uh well yeah, uh. I used to go over
• 55:02
  to uh with a group that we came out of a West Dallas you see,
• 55:08
  and we used to go over there and sing. We used to take
• 55:12
  them over there and they would sing and make money by people pitching pennies and
• 55:16
  quarters to them. You know, they would catch them in the cuffs of
• 55:20
  their pants. Would you sing near the club or in the club? In
• 55:28
  the club in the Vegas club, you sing it just like that? And
• 55:31
  that was when Jack Ruby ran the VIGs Club. That was when Ruby ran
• 55:37
  the Vegas Club. Yep, yep, Okay, we're skipping on a little
• 55:42
  bit because his testimony is very long. So this is moving on to Ruby
• 55:47
  after he was in jail. Well, all right, Uh so what were
• 55:52
  your responsibilities when Ruby went to jail. Well, my responsibilities grew and putting
• 56:00
  down the receist in the book side, be going to the bank, things
• 56:05
  like that, making sure there was enough girls, you know what I'm saying,
• 56:07
  Uh there was enough waitresses, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
• 56:12
  going and putting ads in the paper. They just grew. Then it was
• 56:15
  just like you know, be a manager of a club, you know,
• 56:19
  like that pm P. So they grew until the time of the assassination,
• 56:23
  and then you were actually in charge after the assassination for a while. Sure,
• 56:30
  sure there wasn't anybody butt me in charge after the assassination? Food interesting?
• 56:37
  Did you know Joyce McDonald's Bart Griffin, Sir, Please, did you
• 56:47
  know missus Joyce McDonald? Joyce McDonald, I don't know. I can't say
• 56:54
  there was three or four thousand girls that went through that place when I worked
• 56:59
  there. The little time, I did, and I probably couldn't call it
• 57:04
  all these names. Do you remember Jada? Oh? Yeah, I remember
• 57:12
  Jada? All right? How can you forget Jada? Mm hmmm. Do
• 57:19
  you know how Jack went about hiring her? Well, all I remember is
• 57:24
  Jack got a contact out in New Orleans, and uh, he probably being
• 57:28
  in the business he was in, he knew that she was one of the
• 57:30
  top bill girls, you know, and at the time he needed him a
• 57:35
  top billed girl because the Colony Club was kicking his ass. So now we're
• 57:43
  jumping into Ruby's dogs. Where was she? But after Oswald was shot?
• 57:51
  That's another thing that I don't Uh, where was she after Oswald was shot?
• 57:57
  Uh? Now I'm told that Sheba was in the car. Now,
• 58:01
  I remember going to getting Sheba. I don't remember whether I went to the
• 58:06
  police station and got Sheba or whether I went to the Carousel club and got
• 58:13
  Sheba. But I remember going to getting Sheba. You know. Now,
• 58:19
  Now I could have went into the police station, but if I did,
• 58:22
  I would have had to get somebody to carry me. And I don't remember
• 58:27
  getting anybody to carry me to pick up Sheba because I didn't have a car.
• 58:34
  But you ended up with Sheba the doctor. Yeah, yeah, I
• 58:38
  ain't died up with Sheba she mine. Now that's right, all right?
• 58:45
  So, mister Armstrong, you have said in one of your interviews with one
• 58:50
  of our staff members that Jack Ruby did indeed gamble mm hmmm. Did he
• 58:58
  ever play dice or cards or or whatever for money? No? No,
• 59:02
  I mean well, Jack and his roommate what's his name? Uh, they
• 59:08
  might have had a few poker games or something, if you know what I'm
• 59:12
  talking about, But nothing big. That's not gambling. No, that's just
• 59:15
  passing the time away, you know what I'm saying. Fair enough? Do
• 59:21
  you know, of your personal knowledge whether or not Jack Ruby ever had a
• 59:25
  card game for money in his apartment. I don't know for sure. M
• 59:31
  hmm. If they didn't think like me, do you think he did?
• 59:37
  Well, imagine he did. I mean it would be safe to say that.
• 59:39
  Yeah, they had a few poker games sometimes, I guess sure.
• 59:44
  So who would have attended? Which of Jack's friends? Probably just the guys
• 59:51
  in the apartment there. They would lay around the swimming pool together, if
• 59:55
  you know what I'm saying. All right? All right, right? Yeah,
• 1:00:04
  so that one better than our last skit. Yes, you did a
• 1:00:08
  great job. You did a great you did a great job. And uh
• 1:00:15
  that you know. He goes Griffin asks him if check Rubi ever gambled.
• 1:00:23
  It's a pretty simple question. He goes, no, he goes, what
• 1:00:27
  you told us he did, and he goes, oh, yeah he might
• 1:00:30
  have, he might have probably Actually yeah, I can pretty much say yeah,
• 1:00:34
  yeah, yeah he did. Like it's just it's just contradictory, fucking
• 1:00:44
  muddying the waters everywhere. It's crazy, and it's crazy how fifteen years later,
• 1:00:51
  I mean they were very guarded still this guy, you know in the
• 1:00:54
  late seventies. Oh wow, we got British money. Wow, where are
• 1:01:02
  we going? Man? Thank you, Sally, Thank you so much.
• 1:01:13
  Yes, he appreciate you see him walking the street to London. Who bart
• 1:01:19
  oh Bart, I was gonna be like, uh, stay away from Jack
• 1:01:24
  the Ripper. Yes, thank you so much, Sally. We greatly appreciate
• 1:01:29
  it. Greatly appreciate Yes. So this is something interesting and it gets back
• 1:01:35
  to uh, what we were talking about with Ruby's phone calls and the union,
• 1:01:43
  which is right here right, and this kind of has a correlating bump
• 1:01:47
  as to his phone calls, his toll calls which are I believe out of
• 1:01:53
  town calls. And look how this just goes from about thirty to one twenty,
• 1:02:04
  so it pretty much quadruples in nineteen in the fall of nineteen sixty three.
• 1:02:10
  And it's really interesting just as a former financial analyst looking at this,
• 1:02:15
  this bump right here, right, it's I don't know, and then this
• 1:02:23
  Jaa talks right, and I think he got Jada around close to that time
• 1:02:31
  before he started having problems with the union. So it's really interesting this whole
• 1:02:38
  uh like, like Rob said, he found fifty four or fifty five six
• 1:02:45
  on one list, and here Armstrong is saying there were three or four thousand
• 1:02:50
  that came by in the eighteen months he was working there in the spring of
• 1:02:54
  nineteen sixty two, and you have to think a lot of those were those
• 1:02:58
  like kind of one time amateurs maybe that were whatever doing a lot of side
• 1:03:05
  work to make their bills. And actually that that is a pretty good segue
• 1:03:08
  to what I am going to show next, Rob, which is it's you
• 1:03:17
  know how it is little in and what does she say? And well,
• 1:03:30
  I'm gonna start from a couple of seconds in. If you tell me back
• 1:03:32
  a couple of seconds I won't be able to hear it. Just tell me
• 1:03:36
  back, okay, Okay, I don't. I don't think we got any
• 1:04:14
  sound here, Joe. It's going to come on here? Last performance in
• 1:04:16
  public? Yes, what's the reason for that? I don't like distripulus?
• 1:04:24
  M hmm that so why are you appearing here for these? Because of financial
• 1:04:28
  difficulty? Could have been invicted so many times and so many jobs. My
• 1:04:33
  husband, So you've had a lot of trouble with the land ladies and landlords
• 1:04:39
  lately. We understand what sort of trouble do you have? Well? As
• 1:04:43
  soon as they find out who I am and who I was connected with,
• 1:04:45
  they always ask a slave for some odd little reasons. What sort of excuses
• 1:04:49
  do they give for asking you to live? Well? They say that they
• 1:04:53
  don't want to be involved in the Jack rabion anyway, nor do they want
• 1:04:57
  any trouble, and they don't want to investigators their man, Have you been
• 1:05:00
  bothered with investigators at all since the Jack Ruby trial? What sort of questions
• 1:05:05
  have they been asking you? And where are the investigators from? The investigators
• 1:05:11
  are from Dallas and Fort Worth, also the wrong commission and the questions are
• 1:05:15
  I guess just about the same as they asked, any one did you know
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  Jack Ruby? And what kinds of the man was Jack Ruby? Or is
• 1:05:24
  Jack Ruby? Well, I believe he was a nice employer to me.
• 1:05:30
  I believe. I don't really like to alight too. I gotta give a
• 1:05:40
  shout out. Well, first of all, thank you again to uh Scott
• 1:05:45
  again and Jack again and my friend Vinnie Boom, my friend Vinnie in the
• 1:05:53
  chat tonight. There's levels to this. Vinnie. Yeah, he says my
• 1:05:57
  levels are high. That's what he says when I'm like too excited. It's
• 1:06:02
  probably because he thought there might be some audio issues there at the beginning of
• 1:06:06
  that footage. I didn't know if it was going to kick it or not.
• 1:06:10
  No, he just called He just calls my levels high all the time
• 1:06:13
  because I'm always excited and you'd never know. Joe off the charts. He
• 1:06:18
  asked me to rate it one to ten and I'm like, h two,
• 1:06:24
  no, like usually eight ish, but uh but it's funny and yeah,
• 1:06:30
  so that that was a little less seguys perfectly into what I got here.
• 1:06:36
  I got it, well, what do you think about it? Because I
• 1:06:40
  couldn't hear it and I listened to it earlier. But well, she's,
• 1:06:44
  as you know, she's having problems being being Little Lynn, being the dancer,
• 1:06:51
  being tied to Jack Ruby, being tied to the assassination, being questioned
• 1:06:56
  by the federal agents, you know, and and get evicted and blah blah
• 1:07:00
  blah. But you know, sob story for her whatever. But I happened
• 1:07:05
  to have an affidavid from Roger Warner, who was a special agent of the
• 1:07:11
  United States Secret Service, and he says, I'm employed as a special agent
• 1:07:18
  for the United States Secret Service in Dallas. I was employed in the position
• 1:07:23
  on November twenty four to sixty three. The following was this statement regarding my
• 1:07:26
  interview with Karen Karen Lynn Bennett Carlin, also known as Little Lynn, on
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  November the twenty fourth, and is true and correct to the best of my
• 1:07:36
  knowledge. Now, on November twenty fourth, if you'll remember, folks,
• 1:07:41
  is the day that Jack Ruby shot Lee Oswald. So this is a relatively
• 1:07:45
  quick interview done by the Secret Service. And listen to how weird this is?
• 1:07:50
  Joe. So, on November twenty fourth, at the request of Spector
• 1:07:56
  Thomas Kelly of the US Secret Service, I met with Karen Lyn our shit
• 1:08:00
  Karen Lynn Bennett Carlin of Fort Worth, Texas. The time was eleven PM.
• 1:08:10
  Also president of the interview was Bruce Ray Carlin, who was identified by
• 1:08:15
  Missus Carlin as her husband. Missus Carlin related to me facts regarding a twenty
• 1:08:21
  five dollars money order sent to her by Jack Ruby earlier in the day.
• 1:08:27
  She also related to me the fact that she had learned that mister who is
• 1:08:34
  that, mister duar, once employed by Jack Ruby, had seen Lee Harvey
• 1:08:47
  Oswald in Ruby's nightclub, the Carousel. Missus Carlin stated that she had also
• 1:08:54
  vaguely remembered Oswald being at the club, but was by no means sure of
• 1:08:59
  the fact nor of the fact that she had ever seen Oswald. So she
• 1:09:02
  might have seen him, but she wasn't sure. She might not have,
• 1:09:06
  she might have, who knows. That's that's the trend in Armstrong's testimony and
• 1:09:13
  Zadas and little Lens. It's all maybe, oh no, maybe not.
• 1:09:17
  It's just like all back and forth, like what the fuck can you make
• 1:09:23
  out of it? Easier come on. At the beginning of the above interview,
• 1:09:30
  Missus Carlin was highly agitated and was reluctant to make any statement to me.
• 1:09:35
  She stated to me that she was under the impression that Lee Harvey Oswald,
• 1:09:39
  Jack Ruby, and other individuals unknown to her were involved in a plot
• 1:09:43
  to assassinate President Kennedy, and that she would be killed if she gave any
• 1:09:47
  information to the authorities. It was only through the aid of her husband that
• 1:09:54
  she would give me information at all. She twisted in her chair, stammered
• 1:09:59
  in her speed each and cried to the point of hysteria. Okay. Later,
• 1:10:10
  toward the end of the interview, which lasted about forty five minutes,
• 1:10:13
  missus Carlin became much calmer. She stated that she had no memory of Oswald
• 1:10:19
  whatsoever until she had heard mister I don't know who this guy's name is,
• 1:10:28
  mister Dewer statement on television. Also that she had no information in her possession
• 1:10:36
  which indicated that Ruby was involved in a plot to assassinate President Kennedy. She
• 1:10:43
  did not think all information she had related be kept confidential and prevent retaliation against
• 1:10:51
  her in case there was a plot afoot. She stated she did not wish
• 1:10:56
  to give her to get involved in the matter at hand. So, yeah,
• 1:11:01
  this that's a weird same day interview, very weird. Yeah, same
• 1:11:09
  day as is really weird because you take those statements much more seriously than you
• 1:11:16
  do ones fir Se HSCA fifteen years later, right day. And then we
• 1:11:25
  go to Jada some more from Jada folks. So Jada from New Orleans,
• 1:11:30
  and this is from a newspaper clipping from the guess is the Dallas Morning News.
• 1:11:38
  Dada from New Orleans, a redheaded stripper who was going great in Jack
• 1:11:42
  Ruby's Carousel club until shortly before the boss blasted the mid drift of presidential assassin
• 1:11:48
  Lee Oswald flew into New York yesterday, a refugee from Dallas. It isn't
• 1:11:56
  the Jada. Jeanetkin forty once in the COPA Corps believes that Ruby is about
• 1:12:00
  to be let out suddenly from the Dallas whoscal It's just the thought of what
• 1:12:05
  might happen if he did get out, in view of some of the things
• 1:12:09
  she said about him since last Sunday, that makes Jada mighty uncomfortable. That
• 1:12:15
  and the tenseness of Dallas. Do I know Jack Ruby? You bet I
• 1:12:20
  do? She told the News yesterday. I went there two months ago on
• 1:12:25
  a two week contract to star in this club. Only I found he had
• 1:12:29
  a fine print clause giving him the option to keep on renewing every two weeks.
• 1:12:33
  And I couldn't get away though I have a club of my own I
• 1:12:36
  wanted to get back to in New Orleans. So I got to know Ruby
• 1:12:41
  real well too well. So very interesting comments from Jada that I guess this
• 1:12:48
  is a week after the assassination. Very interesting and if you notice, I
• 1:12:57
  have some nice picks of uh oh, yeah, shot up there now.
• 1:13:00
  Yeah. Once Jada said, he opened my dressing room and pushed a drunk
• 1:13:04
  man in. Then he followed in and beat the man. Mercilessly strutted out
• 1:13:11
  like a peacock to brag about what he'd done to a man who was annoying
• 1:13:15
  his star. If he thought somebody, he was always sure he had the
• 1:13:20
  advantage, the party would be drunk much smaller than him, or a girl.
• 1:13:27
  He always boasted that he had nothing to worry about, claiming he had
• 1:13:30
  big shot friends on the police force or in the DA's office. He was
• 1:13:34
  always inviting cops in to drink and eat and see the show. No doubt
• 1:13:39
  it was this familiarly familiarity that got him into that police building where he shot
• 1:13:45
  Oswald. Jada hadn't been around Ruby to speak of for nine days before he
• 1:13:54
  murdered Oswald, which contradicts with your FBI report about partying with him two days
• 1:14:02
  before the assassination. He became angry with her one night because she rebuffed his
• 1:14:08
  advances, she says, and turned off the lights and ordered him off stage.
• 1:14:15
  He threatened to burn my clothing and maim me. She declared. I
• 1:14:17
  was afraid of him, and the next day I got the Sheriff's office to
• 1:14:21
  put him under a peace bond. He owed her seven hundred dollars in salary
• 1:14:26
  at the time, she says in her union, the American Guild, a
• 1:14:29
  variety artists, took Ruby to court and a judge ordered him, after a
• 1:14:32
  pestuous scene, to pay up two fifty. That was two nights before the
• 1:14:40
  Kennedy assassination, so the same day they partied together that night. Earlier in
• 1:14:46
  the day he lost a court case where he owed her seven hundred dollars.
• 1:14:54
  Losing to me, said Jada, hurt his prestige, which always needed building
• 1:14:58
  up. Because he wasn't smart enough to own those two clubs for himself.
• 1:15:01
  Other people put up the money. He was interested in only one thing,
• 1:15:04
  and that's building up Jack Ruby. He even managed to be at the hospital
• 1:15:10
  before mister Kennedy died. She said that fits in with his idea that he
• 1:15:15
  should be around big events and prominent people. He expressed great bitterness at Oswald
• 1:15:20
  I was told. He said the good image of Dallas was destroyed, and
• 1:15:25
  he went back to the club and told his employees that he hoped somebody would
• 1:15:29
  redeem the prestige of Dallas. By Sunday morning, the Stocky ex Chicago and
• 1:15:33
  had decided that he would act, and he did doubly, blackening the name
• 1:15:39
  of his adopted city. So now there is more from Jada now and then
• 1:15:48
  we have this little diddy Joe. Okay, so this is from missus William
• 1:16:01
  Hitty. The hell is that Hitty fiddy Hitty, Missus William Hitty Fitty Okay,
• 1:16:10
  I don't know, missus us, missus William Jay Hitty Okay Hitty.
• 1:16:19
  At noon on May tenth, nineteen sixty seven, I called for a cab
• 1:16:26
  from Saint Paul Hospital, and within minutes it arrived from the exchange Mark Cabs
• 1:16:34
  stand nearby. During the ride to my home, I asked the driver who
• 1:16:40
  he had been driving cabs in Dallas for sixteen years. If he had known
• 1:16:45
  William Wally, He answered that he had, that Wally had been one of
• 1:16:51
  his best friends for years. Okay, now this is the guy who supposedly
• 1:16:56
  took Oswald from the the Greyhound station to his rooming house in oak Cliffe.
• 1:17:02
  William Wally, the cab a few live passed nineteen sixty five. Either so
• 1:17:12
  he thought about Wally's death and replied or He answered that he had and that
• 1:17:16
  Wally had been one of his best friends for years. Then asked what he
• 1:17:21
  and other cab drivers thought about Wally's death, he replied, oh, they
• 1:17:26
  killed him. You know, a whole bunch of people here have been killed.
• 1:17:30
  And he went on to comment on that subject as well as the details
• 1:17:36
  of Wally's accident. He stated that he, as well as other cab drivers
• 1:17:42
  here know for a fact that Tippett had worked for Ruby as a bouncer in
• 1:17:45
  one of the clubs, and it seems to me, he said, he
• 1:17:48
  himself had driven Tippett to work there several times, as had other drivers.
• 1:17:56
  He also added that Oswald had worked for Ruby for a while. He remarked
• 1:18:00
  that he had known Ruby, what a character he was using the words real
• 1:18:04
  weirdo with his stack of one dollar bills topped by a ten or twenty.
• 1:18:14
  He said too that Ruby kept an apartment just off of the North Central Expressway
• 1:18:21
  for his girls, with some sorry unflattering remarks about those girls, and he
• 1:18:34
  had driven Ruby and those girls to and from that apartment many, many times.
• 1:18:40
  He also indicated that the relationship between Ruby and the girls was not quite
• 1:18:44
  a normal one. You know why, Joe, because he used to eat
• 1:18:51
  himself. Very good. You are learning, sir well. He told me
• 1:18:57
  too that some reporter not from Dallas had rented Oswald's now unrentable room for a
• 1:19:03
  week just to go over it carefully inch by inch, and doing so,
• 1:19:08
  he found Jack Ruby's telephone number written underneath a corner of torn wallpaper in Oswald's
• 1:19:15
  rooming house. I regret that I did not get either the man's name or
• 1:19:20
  cab number. It is a fifteen to twenty minute drive from the hospital to
• 1:19:24
  my home, and this discussion lasted for most of that time. We sat
• 1:19:29
  in front of the house a few minutes more to continue talking. But how's
• 1:19:34
  that for something weird? I saw that document, I'm like, Wow,
• 1:19:39
  there's a lot there to unpack. So Jack under a piece of torn wallpaper
• 1:19:45
  in the rooming house. Have you ever seen that? And never seen or
• 1:19:49
  heard that before? Part of the list like of inventory items, never there.
• 1:19:57
  So here is a part of a Garrison interview with somebody and I don't
• 1:20:02
  know who it is, just just it starts with F their last name.
• 1:20:13
  Uh and this is wild okay, so F says yeah. And then Boxley
• 1:20:20
  Bill Boxley when he moved into an apartment next to a Ruby stripper named Robin
• 1:20:28
  Hood. Ruby had two or three strippers in this apartment house at four oh
• 1:20:31
  one to five Simpson Larry Smith moved into the middle of them and they set
• 1:20:38
  up operations at the Charm Club. Well, anyhow, father McCann was in
• 1:20:44
  that area with the Cuban meetings. They've since torn the house down. T
• 1:20:50
  what a scenario we've got here, father McCann and Robin Hood. Boxley says,
• 1:20:57
  it gets wild. Said what about a guy named Charles Cropp. Garrison
• 1:21:02
  says that sure sounds familiar. Oxley, Yeah, I've heard that. Well
• 1:21:08
  you should have heard it. He's a Chicagoan who ties together Shawl and Ferry.
• 1:21:14
  Oh. He called us about a year ago Is that where you got
• 1:21:16
  that from a short memo? Yeah, I recently came across with reviewing the
• 1:21:21
  files and he said that I think before the assassination he had been working with
• 1:21:26
  some Cubans in an anti Castro operation fundraising or something, and they indicated in
• 1:21:30
  New Orleans that Shaw and Ferry were connected with them. We wanted to get
• 1:21:34
  more information from him, but he said that he was afraid to give it
• 1:21:38
  to us, and he backed out of it. And that's the Well,
• 1:21:42
  I think I can get a guy to move him, because he made a
• 1:21:45
  tape of a conversation at the request of the FBI and sent the FBI copy
• 1:21:48
  of it. This was before the assassination and he didn't think about this again
• 1:21:53
  until you reopened your investigation. He still got the tape. Well, that
• 1:21:57
  would be great if well, we're not screwing anything up. Well, you
• 1:22:01
  know, I didn't know what you had done with it and didn't want to.
• 1:22:04
  He got scared of death. And we usually put them on the side
• 1:22:08
  and hope that they will relax a little. And te says, all right,
• 1:22:14
  I've got a guy in Chicago that might be able to do him,
• 1:22:18
  to do him, to do him now, we've all heard about father McCann
• 1:22:25
  before. You know, with the Oudeo Sisters. He was in the Cuban
• 1:22:32
  community big time. So now he's also hanging around Jack Ruby strippers as well.
• 1:22:40
  And we'll get I think we will get back. Well, I thought
• 1:22:46
  I had something else on Robin Hood. Rob We might have to do a
• 1:22:53
  part two of this because it goes so deep. Now hold on, okay,
• 1:23:00
  Well, you know we were just dovetailing on the last episode, right
• 1:23:05
  of course. So Nancy Powell Tammy, true, right, this might be
• 1:23:12
  where you can put up some of my pictures I sent you there, Chief
• 1:23:16
  Nancy Powell. And this is from November twenty fifth, sixty three, an
• 1:23:23
  interview with her by the FBI. Miss Powell first became acquainted with Jack Ruby
• 1:23:32
  five years ago when he was operating the Vegas Club in Dallas. Miss Powell
• 1:23:36
  often went to the Vegas Club as a customer. Since she has been dancing
• 1:23:40
  at the Carousel Club, she has become well acquainted with Jack Ruby, who
• 1:23:44
  is the owner of the operator of the Carondel Club and considers him a close
• 1:23:47
  personal friend. Miss Powell has never dated Jack Ruby and has never known Ruby
• 1:23:54
  to date girls from the show at the Carousel. However, Ruby does date
• 1:23:59
  girls regular, some of whom appear in other clubs in Dallas. Ms Powell
• 1:24:03
  said that Ruby was quote definitely not a homo unquote. Ruby's general relationships with
• 1:24:12
  his employees was good. However, Ruby had the type of temperament that would
• 1:24:15
  cause him to lose his temper and yell at his employees, but after he
• 1:24:18
  had gotten the grievance off his chest, he would forget about it. Powell
• 1:24:24
  said she last saw Jack Ruby on the evening of November nineteenth and has not
• 1:24:28
  seen him or talk to him since that time. She quit her job at
• 1:24:31
  the Carousel on November nineteenth because of the difficulties she had commuting between Fort Worth
• 1:24:36
  and Dallas. She felt that the club was solvent financially and that Jack Ruby
• 1:24:45
  had no financial difficulties. Ruby has what she believes is a fifty percent interest
• 1:24:50
  in the club, in the other half is owned by Ralph Paul, who
• 1:24:54
  operates the Bullpen in Arlington, Texas and lives on a rural route in Arlington.
• 1:25:04
  And she talks a little bit about Jada. She says this incident involved
• 1:25:09
  a dancer by the name of Jada who was from New Orleans and has been
• 1:25:13
  dancing at the club for two or three months. Ruby cautioned Jada concerning some
• 1:25:17
  obscenity in her act and had instructed her to clean it up. One night,
• 1:25:21
  Ruby was forced to turn off the lights on Jada's act when he felt
• 1:25:26
  that she was way out of line for removing her g string. An argument
• 1:25:32
  ensued after this incident, and Ruby refused to pay Jada and according to Jada,
• 1:25:38
  threatened to throw her down the stairs. And Jada allegedly swore out a
• 1:25:44
  complaint against Jack Ruby and went before the judge and all that. Jazz.
• 1:25:55
  I don't get why she turned around on hearing the news and went back to
• 1:26:00
  Alice. I don't know. It's very strange, I have to say,
• 1:26:10
  very all right. Next up we have Nujada an interview with nud Jada,
• 1:26:19
  not Jada, but nu Jada. Missus. Paul Calgrove was interviewed that she
• 1:26:29
  is also known as Beatrice Callgrove and has the theatrical stadium on Jada. She
• 1:26:34
  stated she is presently residing in Passing, Texas. Blah blah blah blah.
• 1:26:42
  She had an argument with Ruby at the bar of the Carousel on New year's
• 1:26:45
  Eve sixty one about the confused manner in which Ruby carried on his entertainment business.
• 1:26:53
  He slapped her in the face, and she then spoke to a lieutenant
• 1:26:58
  or captain of the Dallas Vice Squad who was in the club at the time,
• 1:27:01
  stating that she wanted to press charges against Ruby and the presence of Ruby.
• 1:27:05
  The officer laughed at her and told her she was crazy. She then
• 1:27:11
  took her problem to Jack Cole, American Guild of Variety of Artists representatives and
• 1:27:15
  booking agent, who said the problem was not in his jurisdiction. From time
• 1:27:19
  to time she noticed numerous police officers enter the Carousel Club and go into Ruby's
• 1:27:24
  office, after which they would be observed leaving the club with bottles of whiskey
• 1:27:29
  under their arms. She recalled that one dancer, Kathy Kay, a white
• 1:27:33
  female about twenty three, blonde headed from England, was given a car by
• 1:27:38
  Ruby and he went with her for a period of time. She stated Kay
• 1:27:43
  could be traced by Jack Cole of AGVA for contact, and according to Najada,
• 1:27:49
  Ruby had a mistress on the side who was not employed at the club,
• 1:27:56
  but who came and went at will and frequented the club. He was
• 1:28:00
  described as a white female with light brown hair cut long in a ponytail,
• 1:28:04
  about five foot five, one hundred and fifteen pounds late twenties, reportedly a
• 1:28:10
  secretary in Dallas, Texas that Ruby claimed he had been keeping for some five
• 1:28:15
  to six years. Ruby failed to ever disclose this woman's identity. Interesting.
• 1:28:26
  I wonder if she worked at like the Dallas Morning News or something where he
• 1:28:30
  would put in ads, or what the school book depository? Yeah? Or
• 1:28:34
  yeah? I mean, who knows? There there wasn't a shortage of women
• 1:28:40
  on the other floors of the TSBD. Yes, here's the other interesting Robin
• 1:28:45
  Hood Okay, surely Anne Mauldon was her real name, also known as Miss
• 1:28:51
  Robin s. Hood, was interviewed at the Douglas County Jail Joe at Oh
• 1:28:59
  my Jha, Nebraska. Oh Maha, is this my surprise? Yes.
• 1:29:08
  She worked for Jack Ruby as a dancer for one week at the Carousel Club
• 1:29:12
  shortly after this club opened in nineteen sixty two. She had known Ruby since
• 1:29:17
  she was a small girl in Dallas, but had very little personal contact with
• 1:29:24
  him except for the period that she worked for him, about two and a
• 1:29:28
  half months ago, believed by her to have been on the night of her
• 1:29:32
  release from the Dallas City Jail, where she was held on a drunk and
• 1:29:35
  disorderly charged for two days. She dated a Dallas attorney whom she only knew
• 1:29:44
  by the first name of Carol. Ringing any bells, Joseph ringing any bells
• 1:29:54
  down there in the comments section. Mm hmmm, Carol Jarnigan. That's what
• 1:30:03
  I was gonna say. But wasn't Wasn't that one of the TSBD workers.
• 1:30:11
  No, he was. He was a lawyer. He stated that he observed
• 1:30:18
  Ruby and Oswald together in the Carousel Club, Okay, and he was scared
• 1:30:25
  of death. Remember Barry Ernest in his book The Girl on the Stairs went
• 1:30:28
  to talk to him and he was scared to death and smoking chain smoking cigarettes
• 1:30:34
  in this little office. Yeah. Now what is uh? What is one
• 1:30:42
  of the guys Colleen? That was the episode Caroling through the Night? What
• 1:30:47
  a previous Yeah? Okay, So here we have corroborated by a dancer,
• 1:30:59
  former dancer known Jack Ruby since she was a little kid. Okay. She
• 1:31:04
  dated the Dallas attorney whom she only knew by the first name of Carol.
• 1:31:10
  On this night she and Carol visited a few Dallas nightclubs, including the Carousel,
• 1:31:16
  and we're accompanied by no one. They stayed at the Carousel Club for
• 1:31:20
  about a forty five minute period, during which Ruby came to their table,
• 1:31:27
  greeted her, and she introduced Ruby to Carol. She stated this visit by
• 1:31:33
  Ruby was brief, and she described it as an apparent attempt by Ruby to
• 1:31:38
  get her to work for him again. So this is where Carol john Agan
• 1:31:45
  could have possibly met Jack Ruby and then overheard this conversation at the other table
• 1:31:50
  between Jack Ruby and whoever he was talking to, Larry Crayford or whatever,
• 1:31:55
  Lee Oswald, whatever. Leon Molden stated that Lee Harvey Oswald was not known
• 1:32:00
  to her and she had never heard of this individual prior to his arrest by
• 1:32:05
  Dallas police in connection with the shooting of President Kennedy on the night of her
• 1:32:12
  date with Carol. She overheard no conversation in the Carousel Club between Ruby and
• 1:32:18
  anyone, and she could recall no discussion regarding the shooting of the Governor of
• 1:32:23
  Texas, which is what Carol Jarnigan was saying. Malden did not believe Ruby
• 1:32:30
  served as a master of ceremonies at the Carousel Club on the night of her
• 1:32:32
  visit there with Carol, and she cannot recall him making any introduction to the
• 1:32:38
  audience of anyone. She was definite her recollection that she and Carol did not
• 1:32:44
  engage in any conversation regarding the reporting of anything they had overheard to the proper
• 1:32:49
  authorities. Malden stated that she that had she had any information such as overhearing
• 1:32:56
  a conversation between Ruby and Oswald in which they discussed the shooting of the Governor
• 1:33:00
  of Texas, she would not have hesitated to report this information to the proper
• 1:33:05
  authorities. And this is from the FBI interview of December ninth, nineteen sixty
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  three. So who do we believe there, Old Robin Hood who's known Jack
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  Ruby since she was a little girl, or a Carol Johnagan. I don't
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  trust lawyers. Come on now, come, come, come now. And
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  then the last thing I got here is a FBI document from the Director from
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  the Director of the FBI that will be Jaeger Huba to the Special Agent in
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  charge of Dallas re Rep Special Agent Stuart Cameron, dated twelve three, sixty
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  three at Albuquerque re Rep. Content Ayane's interview of a missus Leona Carolinko,
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  Albuquerque, former stripper at Subjects Carousel Club, who describes subject as a homo
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  sexual who recruited teenage boys for homosexual activities, and the event not already done.
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  Missus Kirolinko should be thoroughly interviewed and information in her possession concerning homosexual act,
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  motivation or homosexual activities of the subjects should be pinned down. Missus Kirolinko
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  should be asked dates, times, places, associates and identities of individuals engaged
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  in alleged homosexual activities with Jack Ruby. Information furnished by missus Kirolinko should be
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  resolved. So see what always gets me, Joe, is you have,
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  you know, these women saying that, oh, Jack Ruby was definitely not
• 1:34:59
  a homosexual. He was a nice guy, blah blah blah, very protective
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  of his girls, blah blah blah. But then on the other hand,
• 1:35:08
  you have people that said that he was definitely a homosexual, definitely into weird
• 1:35:13
  stuff. Right. Remember when he was he took the girl back to his
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  apartment to interview her, to try to get her to dance for him,
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  and he just wanted to hump her leg to grind on her leg and she
• 1:35:25
  wouldn't let him. Like, just weird stuff. And there's accusations of beast
• 1:35:29
  reality between Jack Ruby and his dog. I mean, just weird, weird,
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  weird, weird stuff. Okay, So I just don't know where to
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  fall on it. I mean, who do we believe or was he showing
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  different versions of himself to different people, which is a little more believable,
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  like you know, like you know me like this, right, but maybe
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  one of my other friends in real life sees me as a weirdo or a
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  homosexual or whatever, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know if
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  it's just you know, people see a different side of Jack Ruby, or
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  if he's multiple or if he's a by It goes both ways and back then
• 1:36:19
  they just called it homicide. Who knows, Yeah, and not that it
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  matters, but it's just a lot of odd behavior, you know, especially
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  when you know he find out he's keeping another apartment where he puts these girls
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  up. I'm sure he is getting girls for Dallas cops, getting them to
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  do things for these cops and other important people in Dallas wouldn't put it past
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  him one bit. They had an up there upstairs section where they would you
• 1:36:57
  know, I guess do the lop dances of the sixties up there. And
• 1:37:04
  a lot of the top strippers that dancers we've talked about denied that. That
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  one picture I sent you of that book, This is Jack Ruby's Girls on
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  the back. I put that up when you were talking earlier. Yeah,
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  I know, but put it up now again again, okay, and again
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  and again because I want to point something out here. So of course,
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  after the assassination, a lot of people were trying to cash in on things,
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  right, So there's a very obscure book out there. Not many copies
• 1:37:45
  were made. I've looked it up on the internet. The cheapest one I
• 1:37:47
  could find like one hundred and fifty bucks. It's called Jack Ruby's Girls.
• 1:37:51
  If Joe could ever pull it up here, yeah, I get you one
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  second. It was written by Diana Hunter, who was Diana of the Huntress,
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  one of his strippers, and another one I can't remember her name or
• 1:38:04
  off the top of my head. All right, it's coming up now.
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  Come on, give me a break here Jeopardy theme song, Give me a
• 1:38:25
  break here, Come on, blow it up, Joe dirty. Okay,
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  it's a funny book about the sad and tawdry millia of man and a place
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  where dirty ankle sex was the basic product. Tell us about the girls who
• 1:38:46
  worked at Ruby's Carousel Club, how they built customers and were frequently counterbuilt.
• 1:38:51
  It's not an erotic book, but a baldy one. Jack Ruby was a
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  jangling mosaic of eccentric eccenti history. Oh shit, Jack Ruby was a jangling
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  mosaic of eccentricities. And while we probably will never know why he did what
• 1:39:09
  he did, the book helps explain the things that made him what he was.
• 1:39:14
  And it is definitely a nineteen seventies book through and through. But pop
• 1:39:17
  up that quote again. I don't know if he showed that from before?
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  Which one the quote that I sent you the other picture? Not that that
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  one. No, not her, not the jazz singer. I know that
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  quote. This was Their book was dedicated in loving memory of Jack Ruby,
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  our raging boss, our faithful friend, the kindest hearted son of a bitch
• 1:39:45
  we ever knew. I think that's an amazing summary. Actually, now I'm
• 1:39:53
  serious. I think he was loyal to his girls. I think he was
• 1:39:59
  kind heart. Did I think he was the son of a bitch and but
• 1:40:03
  he had his rage, which I can definitely understand. And he was,
• 1:40:10
  as we discussed in our last episode with the author who had wrote the book
• 1:40:15
  a biography on Jack Ruby, he was very concerned about his image, concerned
• 1:40:19
  about his image compared to the Weinsteins right across the street. He was very
• 1:40:27
  aware of this. This is what got him into the fight with Jada was
• 1:40:32
  that she was pulling her g string and he had to turn the lights off.
• 1:40:36
  So it's a very interesting and fascinating multitude of stories and we might maybe
• 1:40:49
  do a part two after this if if people like it enough. We haven't.
• 1:40:57
  We can go deep on some strippers. Bro, I think we just
• 1:41:00
  did Joe. Well, we can go deeper. But anyway, that's what
• 1:41:05
  she said. All right, that's it for this week. We hope you
• 1:41:12
  enjoyed the show. Thanks for hanging out with us. Thank you so much,
• 1:41:15
  guys for all the super chat superstickers send our way fan Yes, chilled
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  it tonight. We greatly appreciate it. It's always fun hanging out with everybody
• 1:41:25
  and doing a show, and we hope you enjoyed this one. So until
• 1:41:28
  next time, folks, pussy it's not a pre world. I guess it
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  is a pee word. Take all the theme panties, strings pulling,