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The Kenny Report | 24 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another week here on the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight Pauline Hanson, Donzon Burker in the Senate.
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Speaker 1: Again, here we go.
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Speaker 2: I'll have Senator Sarah Henderson on this issue live in
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Speaker 2: just a few moments.
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Speaker 1: If Chris Bowen reckons he can.
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Speaker 2: Save the world, you think you could get our power
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Speaker 2: prices down. First Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi also under pressure
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Speaker 2: over some of Labour's lives in the Brittain Higgins affair,
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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Russia.
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Speaker 1: Talking peace with the US?
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Speaker 2: Can Donald Trump deliver a fair ceasefire deal? And I'll
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Speaker 2: catch up with new Liberal leader for New South Wales, Kelly.
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Speaker 1: Sloan live in the studio.
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Speaker 2: All that plus the ashes wash up in London with
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Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth and Jemma and Caroline joined me too. We'll
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Speaker 2: talk about lots with them, including the weather Bureau and
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Speaker 2: the website that cost almost one hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: Federal Parliament started its final sitting week for the year
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Speaker 2: in Canberra today. Families and businesses around the country continue
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Speaker 2: to suffer from record electricity prices, and we showed you
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Speaker 2: that report last week, warning that prices will continue to
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Speaker 2: rise for at least the next decade. But the government's
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Speaker 2: Climate and Energy Minister wasn't there in Parliament. No, Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen hasn't made it back from Brazil yet, where he
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Speaker 2: attended COP thirty, the latest United Nations Global warming talk fest,
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Speaker 2: And while he botched Australia's bid to host next.
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Speaker 1: Year's COP a fumble.
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Speaker 2: That's good for the country, mind you, because it'll save
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Speaker 2: taxpayers up to two billion dollars. But Bowen did manage
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Speaker 2: to snaffle a nice little side gig for himself. Turkey
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Speaker 2: will host the conference, but Bowen will be COP president
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Speaker 2: for negotiations.
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Speaker 1: Turkey ol to a point to a COP president toroyalist.
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Speaker 1: So would be the COP president for the purposes of that.
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Speaker 3: I would be the COP President for the purposes of
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Speaker 3: the negotiations.
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Speaker 1: We're working to ensure good outcomes.
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Speaker 2: Last question, last question, I don't think so, mate, I've
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Speaker 2: got plenty more like aren't you the last person in
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Speaker 2: the world who should be trying to tell other countries
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Speaker 2: how to manage their.
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Speaker 1: Climate and energy affairs?
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Speaker 2: And why have you broken your promise to cut power bills?
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Speaker 2: By two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. Why
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Speaker 2: do you persist with the lie that renewable energy is
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Speaker 2: the cheapest form of energy when the lived experience everywhere
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Speaker 2: shows this is not the case. Anyway, The Opposition has
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Speaker 2: plenty of questions on energy and they put them to
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister today, who talked about everything except power prices.
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Speaker 4: One is the consistent position that those opposite have of
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Speaker 4: talking Australia down, always talking Australia down, including, including, including
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Speaker 4: talking down Australia's national interests and the interests of the Pacific.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, but of course the facts support the Coalition's
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Speaker 2: arguments here, and they stayed on task promise. Are they
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Speaker 2: are less than five weeks left in twenty twenty five
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Speaker 2: when wire Australian families receive your promise two hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy five dollars reduction to their power bills? Well that's
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Speaker 2: the two hundred and seventy five dollars question, and the
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Speaker 2: Government had no answer, So the Prime Minister had passed
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Speaker 2: this one to his treasurer.
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Speaker 5: The upward pressure on electricity prices in our energy grid,
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Speaker 5: mister speaker, doesn't come from the new cleaner, cheaper, renewable,
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Speaker 5: reliable energy.
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Speaker 1: It comes leg see No.
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Speaker 5: Twenty two failed energy policies which saw four gigabytes of
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Speaker 5: energy come out of the green. Now, if they cared
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Speaker 5: about energy prices, mister speaker, they wouldn't be abandoning net
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Speaker 5: zero and they wouldn't be turning their back by renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: Now this is spin, of course, spin that defies facts.
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Speaker 2: The push to renewables has pushed prices up and it
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Speaker 2: will continue to do so, as we saw in that
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Speaker 2: report last week. Labour can spin all it likes, but
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Speaker 2: the realities there every quarter, in the power bills that
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Speaker 2: we get and in the ongoing shambles of our energy
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Speaker 2: grid buildout promise.
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Speaker 6: Sorry far to warnings in the recent Australian Energy Council
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Speaker 6: report in which a CEO of an energy company said,
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Speaker 6: and I quote, bills will increase for the next decade.
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister, Why is the part time energy minister full
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Speaker 6: time president more concerned with the next decade of cop
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Speaker 6: negotiations than he is with the next decade of power
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Speaker 6: bills for Australian households and businesses.
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Speaker 5: So those opposite in arguing to abandon net zero are
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Speaker 5: arguing for even higher power prices. They are smashing investor
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Speaker 5: confidence and investor certainty, and they are weakening They would
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Speaker 5: be weakening our economy as a consequence.
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Speaker 1: Mister speaker.
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Speaker 5: And for what, just so they can win this unedifying
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Speaker 5: race to the far right in their own PARTI room.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck with that one.
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Speaker 2: Pretending it's all about politics when electricity is the lifeblood
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Speaker 2: of our economy, when cheap energy is what's undermined all
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Speaker 2: of our development and prosperity over the last century, No
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Speaker 2: political attack or spin can solve this problem for labor.
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Speaker 2: Only cheap and reliable power can do that, and their
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Speaker 2: current plans just won't deliver that. While Albanezi, Bowen and
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Speaker 2: charmers pretend their pro renewables and anti nuclear stance is
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Speaker 2: the way forward, in his new role, Bowen won't be
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Speaker 2: able to avoid the fact that nuclear is seen is
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Speaker 2: the key technology globally. The latest country to announce a
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Speaker 2: massive expansion is India, with ten new reactors approved. The
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Speaker 2: new push for nuclear as the carbon free energy source
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Speaker 2: has been reported as an audacious bet on nuclear power,
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Speaker 2: aiming to tackle climate change while meeting the surging electricity
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Speaker 2: demands of a growing economy. The Indian government wants to
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Speaker 2: ramp up nuclear capacity to one hundred gigawatts just for starters.
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Speaker 2: That's almost twice the total generating capacity of Australia's national
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Speaker 2: electricity market. Even on a day when the sun is
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Speaker 2: shining and all the wind is blowing everywhere, it's pretty
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Speaker 2: clear Labour is in denial. Being pro net zero and
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Speaker 2: anti nuclear is a nonsensical position. While net zero will
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Speaker 2: probably never happen, and certainly not by twenty fifty, there's
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Speaker 2: absolutely no chance it will ever happen without massive amounts
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Speaker 2: of nuclear energy. That's why this is precisely the right
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Speaker 2: argument for the opposition to be having. Sure, the opinion
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Speaker 2: polls are still abysmal for the coalition, but all this
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Speaker 2: will take a while. It's crucial for the future of
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Speaker 2: our country. And when the energy debate gets real, will
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Speaker 2: Labor then and their Greens and Teals mates, Well, they're
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Speaker 2: going to be in real strife then. Now I want
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Speaker 2: to bring you up to date with developments that have
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Speaker 2: happened in Parliament this afternoon, and you may have heard
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Speaker 2: you're about to see now for the first time, Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 2: the One Nation leader, entering the Senate in a burker again.
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Speaker 2: She did this once before eight years ago in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: She's done it today, just after.
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Speaker 2: Failing in a bid to get the Senate to consider
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Speaker 2: propose new laws banned the burker in public in Australia. Now,
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Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson was there in Canberra this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: She joins me live good to talk to you again, Senator,
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Speaker 2: tell us what you thought about this stunt from Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 2: A repeat burker stunt?
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Speaker 7: Well, Chris good, afternoon.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 9: Senator Hansom was attempting to introduce her private Senator's bill
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Speaker 9: to ban the burker, but she wore the burker and
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Speaker 9: it was ruled that this was a prop She was
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Speaker 9: asked to remove it, she declined to do so, and
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Speaker 9: then she was named And now the Senate is currently suspended.
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Speaker 9: So it has been a somewhat dramatic time in the
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Speaker 9: Senate this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: I just want to go to some of the reaction
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Speaker 2: from other senators in the chamber this afternoon.
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Speaker 10: Clearly, what has happened today is not a genuine demonstration
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Speaker 10: of faith. In fact, it is the middle finger to
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Speaker 10: people of faith. It is extremely racist and unsafe.
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Speaker 2: Well, we should not do in this place, whatever views
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Speaker 2: we may have on policy, is to be this disrespectful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, I think you're going to get over reactions against
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen here and in favor of her, Sarah Henderson,
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Speaker 2: this idea that it's racist and disrespectful to wear a
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Speaker 2: burker at the same time that, of course they're supporting
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Speaker 2: the wearing of the burker by anybody else when they
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Speaker 2: choose to outside of parliament. What do you think that
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Speaker 2: the reasonable interpretation of this stunt from Pauline Hansen is.
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Speaker 9: Well, I really can't speak for Pauline Hanson other than
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Speaker 9: she obviously was trying to make a point. The burger
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Speaker 9: has been banned in a number of other countries, and
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Speaker 9: so she clearly wants to prosecute the case here. But
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Speaker 9: as you saw, there were many senators who vehemently objected.
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Speaker 9: I have to say there was some terrible things said
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Speaker 9: about Pauline Hanson in response which I won't repeat, which
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Speaker 9: were parliamentary. It was pretty unedifying. And so as I say, Chris,
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Speaker 9: the Senate is currently suspended. We are waiting for the
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Speaker 9: bells to go, so we will resume very soon.
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Speaker 2: Look, it is a stunt. Obviously, wearing a burker in
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Speaker 2: there is a stunt. But some of the critics here
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Speaker 2: are people who have been wearing kaffirs in the Senate
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Speaker 2: to supposedly support Palestinians. Sarah Hanson Young has been slapping
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Speaker 2: a salmon around the Senate. I mean, there's a long
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Speaker 2: history and a growing history of stunts in the chamber.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the one that really upset me was
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Speaker 9: the wearing or the wrapping around of the Australian flag
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Speaker 9: that was ruled to be a prop and so that
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Speaker 9: was a little controversial from my perspective. But there is
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Speaker 9: a strict rule that we cannot use props.
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Speaker 7: In the chamber, that is very clear.
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Speaker 9: And of course when there were various items taken into
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Speaker 9: the Senate they've been ruled to be out of order.
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Speaker 7: So that's the situation today.
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Speaker 2: What do we expect the ramifications to be for Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hansen's we should be banned from the Senate for twenty
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Speaker 2: four hours?
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Speaker 1: Will she or it could be there some more severe penalty.
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Speaker 9: Well, my understanding christ is that she has been banned
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Speaker 9: for twenty four hours. But as for what might happen tomorrow,
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Speaker 9: you will really need to ask her.
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Speaker 7: I really just don't know.
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Speaker 1: We'll have to see, all right.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to some important work that you've
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Speaker 2: taken up in the Senate, and that is your notice
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Speaker 2: of motion to have the Senate look at the ABC
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Speaker 2: to reference the ABC and the Senate the inquiry. Tell
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Speaker 2: us what sort of a reaction you're getting so far,
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Speaker 2: especially from the other side of the chamber from Labor,
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Speaker 2: the Greens and One Nation, as to whether you'll get
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Speaker 2: much support for a Senate inquiry into the ABC.
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Speaker 9: Well, Chris, I have lot the notice of motion today,
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Speaker 9: and that is to establish an inquiry into the impartiality
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Speaker 9: and accuracy obligations of the ABC. They are embodied in
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Speaker 9: various ways, including in the ABC Acts, so there's actually
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Speaker 9: a statutory obligation. And I'm really concerned that when the
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Speaker 9: ABC makes egregious errors, when it's clearly not being impartial,
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Speaker 9: too often the Albanese government just turns a blind eye.
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Speaker 7: So I think the.
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Speaker 9: ABC does need to be held to account. We've seen
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Speaker 9: some really bad instances of a lack of impartiality in
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Speaker 9: previous weeks, the doctoring of the photograph featuring Jane Hume
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Speaker 9: on Insiders, the hectoring of Susan Lee in her interview
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Speaker 9: with the seven thirty Reports, she was interrupted thirty five times.
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Speaker 9: And of course, as we've spoken about Chris, the improper
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Speaker 9: editing of the Four Corners program involving the President Trump's
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Speaker 9: speech and the Capital riots where the ABC delays, is
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Speaker 9: it the same key lines as the BBC, and as
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Speaker 9: we know, two executives of the BBC are now no
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Speaker 9: longer there because of that very significant error. So this
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Speaker 9: is a really good opportunity for the Senate to have
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Speaker 9: its say, but more importantly for all Australians to have
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Speaker 9: their say, including to make submissions.
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Speaker 7: So I'm really hopeful that it might get up.
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Speaker 1: Yes, spot on.
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Speaker 2: And the ABC has just been in denial about that
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Speaker 2: Sarah Ferguson Four Corners piece and that dodgy editing, and
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Speaker 2: the ABC Onbleitzman has refused to take it up and
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Speaker 2: inquire into it as well. And there's this other piece
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Speaker 2: from Four Corners, Mark Willersey on Four Corners cutting up
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Speaker 2: the same vision and with his own words, creating a
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Speaker 2: false impression.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 11: Refusing to accept his defeat at the hands of Joe Biden,
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Speaker 11: Trump told his supporters to march on the US capital.
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Speaker 1: Can we faith?
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Speaker 8: Can we fight like how you'll fight like how you're
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Speaker 8: not going to have a country?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's as bad as anything the BBC did. Now,
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Speaker 2: if the ABC won't address this, and the ABC Onbardsman
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Speaker 2: won't address this, then a Senate inquiry is the only
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Speaker 2: path forward to get any sort of accountability.
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Speaker 9: Well, we will have the managing director of the ABC,
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Speaker 9: Hugh Marx, before us at Senate estimates next week. I
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Speaker 9: will certainly be asking more questions about that. I'm pretty
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Speaker 9: disappointed with mister Marx and his response. He said he
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Speaker 9: was proud of the four Corners program. This is the
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Speaker 9: one that was hosted by Sarah Ferguson. He said that
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Speaker 9: the issues that you raised, and also the comments that
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Speaker 9: I made were false and opportunistic. Well, give me a break,
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Speaker 9: mister Marx, they weren't false. And when, of course we
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Speaker 9: saw the melkdown at the BBC for a very similar
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Speaker 9: editing agreegeous editing error, the ABC.
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Speaker 7: Must be held to account.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm a very strong supporter of the ABC,
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Speaker 9: of public broadcasting, of public funding of the ABC, but
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Speaker 9: there's a very high expectation by all Australians that it
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Speaker 9: must be its very best now, Chris, As we know, mistakes.
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Speaker 7: Happen at every media organization.
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Speaker 9: But when they do happen, the ABC has got to
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Speaker 9: respond properly and quickly. And just look what happened to
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Speaker 9: Heston Russell in what they did to Heston Russell after
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Speaker 9: making false allegations against him, a former Special Forces commando,
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Speaker 9: including the doctoring of video adding extra gunshots the Fate
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Speaker 9: Gunshots scandal, and he was dragged through the courts over
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Speaker 9: a number of years. It cost the ABC more than
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Speaker 9: three million dollars. This is taxpayers money and so this
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Speaker 9: is another important reason we need to send an inquiry
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Speaker 9: to hold the ABC to account because it should have
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Speaker 9: very very quickly recognized it's miss stakes and address them
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Speaker 9: and apologize to Heston and instead it dragged him through
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Speaker 9: the mud. And that sort of behavior by a national
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Speaker 9: broadcaster is just completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 1: I just want to get you.
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Speaker 2: Also on the Polls News poll has the Coalition still
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Speaker 2: stumbling along at what you would hope would be the
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Speaker 2: nadea of its lowest ever primary vote, but also interestingly
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Speaker 2: showing that to Andrew Hasty is seen as the as
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Speaker 2: the second option as a leader, the most popular leader
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Speaker 2: after Susan Lee. Does that surprise you at all?
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Speaker 9: Well, Chris, we know we have a lot of hard
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Speaker 9: work to do and the polls are agree in there's
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Speaker 9: no getting away from that.
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Speaker 7: But we are working very.
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Speaker 9: Hard as a team to prosecute the policies that we
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Speaker 9: believe in on behalf of all Australians, including of course
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Speaker 9: abolishing net zero, holding the government to account over a
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Speaker 9: ninety six million dollar a Bureau of Meteil website. What
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Speaker 9: an absolute disgrace that is. And of course we had
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Speaker 9: a big win in the Senate this morning removing a
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Speaker 9: terrible bill which dramatically curtailed the rights of ADF members
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Speaker 9: and veterans to be recognized.
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Speaker 7: For acts of heroism.
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Speaker 9: So we are working very hard to hold the government
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Speaker 9: to account. We will continue to do that and we
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Speaker 9: very much hope to see a rise in our stocks
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Speaker 9: in the weeks and months ahead.
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Speaker 1: But Andrew Hasty's pretty popular.
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Speaker 9: Well, Chris, I'm not going to comment on the leadership issues.
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Speaker 9: I'm not going to add to the comments I made
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Speaker 9: a few weeks ago, other than to say that we
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Speaker 9: are all very focused on the job that we need
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Speaker 9: to do to hold this pretty rotten government to account.
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Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson, the Liberal Senati of a Victoria, live from
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Speaker 2: Parliament House in Canberra. I'll come back to some domestic
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Speaker 2: political issues later in the program, but I want to
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Speaker 2: go to foreign policy at the moment, because talks have
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Speaker 2: been held in Geneva now between US officials and Ukraine
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Speaker 2: on Donald Trump's twenty eight point piece.
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Speaker 1: Plan to end the war with Russia.
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Speaker 2: But while all that was going on, the US President
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Speaker 2: was busy lashing out on social media, writing Ukraine leadership
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Speaker 2: has expressed zero gratitude for our efforts and Europe continues
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Speaker 2: to buy oil from Russia.
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Speaker 1: Here's the lattert from sky News UK.
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Speaker 12: They need American support and weaponry like defensive missile systems.
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Speaker 12: Here in Sumi, homes and businesses were destroyed in another
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Speaker 12: Russian bombardment, but as part of the twenty eight point plan,
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Speaker 12: the Ukrainians would have to make substantial cuts to their military.
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Speaker 12: In Geneva, they came armed with counter proposals and in
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Speaker 12: a surprisingly upbeat assessment, mister Rubio said both sides were
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Speaker 12: making progress.
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Speaker 13: The most productive day we have had on this issue.
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Speaker 6: I don't want to declare victory or finality here.
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Speaker 1: There's still some work to be done.
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Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Vasil mulz Nachenko, who's Ukraine's ambassador
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Speaker 2: to Australia, joins me live from Canberra. Good to talk
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Speaker 2: to you again, the ambassador. We haven't spoken for a
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Speaker 2: long while.
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Speaker 1: I want to get your.
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Speaker 2: Assessment of where this peace plan is at at the moment,
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Speaker 2: because there are various interpretations of it, and a very
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Speaker 2: common one at the moment is that President Trump is
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Speaker 2: preparing to sell out ukraining in Land to get a
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Speaker 2: peace deal.
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Speaker 1: Is he selling you short?
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Speaker 8: It's too early to say, Chris, thank you for having
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Speaker 8: me negotiations on going with the Americans in Geneva. We
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Speaker 8: are also closely coordinating with our European partners. What's now
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Speaker 8: been discussed as of course the document which has been
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Speaker 8: in the media, but I think it's too early to
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Speaker 8: make a judgment. There was a statement that President Lanski
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Speaker 8: earlier this morning Australian Time where he commended the progress
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Speaker 8: made in those talks, and most importantly the statement says
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Speaker 8: that the future agreement will be uphold will be based
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Speaker 8: on upholding Ukrainians sovereignty and will be focused on achieving
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Speaker 8: as sustainable and just peace. Certainly we'll see what are
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Speaker 8: the details, but what we need to avoid. We need
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Speaker 8: to avoid that Russia is rewarded for their active aggression.
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Speaker 8: And I think it's a redline, and I think it's
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Speaker 8: important for America, it's important for Europe, it's important for
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Speaker 8: Ukraine and Australia to make sure that it's not preceived
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Speaker 8: in the same way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, there are a number of key points here,
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Speaker 2: but the critical one is territory. And according to my
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Speaker 2: reading of that twenty eight point plan, there could be
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Speaker 2: a setting of territory, but only if Ukraine agreed to it.
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Speaker 2: Do you believe Ukraine is coming under pressure to see
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Speaker 2: territory in the east to Russia And is.
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Speaker 1: That at all conceivable?
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Speaker 2: And just added to that question, is there potential for
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Speaker 2: any autonomous region there between Ukraine and Russia, whether there
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Speaker 2: would be some sort of shared autonomous regional sovereignty.
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Speaker 8: Chris, just to give you an idea, imagine that Australia
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Speaker 8: has been invaded by an enemy, and in exchange for peace,
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Speaker 8: the enemy is asking for Queensland to be given up
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Speaker 8: and that's pretty much which is Russians have put on
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Speaker 8: the table. It's nothing new. They've been demanding that for
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Speaker 8: a long time. And certainly Russians may end up controlling
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Speaker 8: a certain part of Ukraine. But Ukraine will never see
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Speaker 8: any territory to Russia, and nobody is able to do it,
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Speaker 8: neither President of Lanski, nor are the people of Ukraine
21:56
Speaker 8: who don't support it, so there is no mandate that
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Speaker 8: the president has do so. So we realize that perhaps
22:03
Speaker 8: the line will be out there, in that defense line
22:06
Speaker 8: which is currently existing, but certainly Ukrainian people will never
22:12
Speaker 8: be able to see the territory and that's important for
22:14
Speaker 8: the future of a sovereignty and the future of actually
22:18
Speaker 8: stability global because if a stronger country, which has nuclear
22:24
Speaker 8: weapons and which is bigger and stronger can go and
22:26
Speaker 8: change borders before, I think that's a very dangerous world
22:29
Speaker 8: we're going to get.
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Speaker 1: As absolutely now.
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Speaker 2: The other critical thing for Ukraine is security guarantees from
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Speaker 2: the West, and it looks to be positive movement. There
22:38
Speaker 2: also a suggestion though that when it comes to support
22:41
Speaker 2: for Ukraine, Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott suggesting that Australia
22:46
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese should offer Australian military input.
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Speaker 1: Is that something that Ukraine would welcome.
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Speaker 8: It's certainly the matter for the for Prime Minister anything
22:58
Speaker 8: but easy to decide how he can support Ukraine. What
23:02
Speaker 8: we what I can say, we definitely would be very
23:04
Speaker 8: grateful for extending a new package of assistance military, economic
23:09
Speaker 8: energy systems that that the government could consider providing. It's
23:14
Speaker 8: been twelve months since significant package was made and we
23:18
Speaker 8: are out there. We have to understand that Australia stands
23:21
Speaker 8: with Ukraine from Prime Minister down and we have a
23:24
Speaker 8: moral contract between Australia and Ukraine. And that moral contract
23:29
Speaker 8: is at you know, based on defending democracy and regional
23:33
Speaker 8: security and Australian people and we have to make sure
23:38
Speaker 8: that we protected we enacted and there is definitely support
23:42
Speaker 8: for that within among the public. And the way to
23:45
Speaker 8: do it is to either provide more support to Ukraine
23:49
Speaker 8: but also to make sure that no Russian patrol or
23:54
Speaker 8: diesel or jet fuel makes it to the market which
23:57
Speaker 8: derives from the from the from the Russian loyal And
24:00
Speaker 8: that's not only it's an issue for other countries who
24:02
Speaker 8: have been buying that because you have to understand that
24:05
Speaker 8: Russians are funding this war through their ability to sell
24:10
Speaker 8: that oil to different countries. But at this stage what
24:13
Speaker 8: we ask in Australia to do is the convenience standing
24:15
Speaker 8: with us. I mean, we end this fight together. We
24:18
Speaker 8: are defending democracy and we're defending regional security as much
24:21
Speaker 8: as it's all intertwined. And definitely, if Russia does not
24:25
Speaker 8: fail in Ukraine, that definitely opens up a very different
24:30
Speaker 8: future for your region here where other authoritarian leaders may
24:34
Speaker 8: want to venture into other countries and change waters.
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Speaker 1: Ambassador, thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it.
24:41
Speaker 2: That's Vasil Miroj Nachenko, who's the Ukrainian ambassador in Australia.
24:46
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, I'm going to catch up
24:48
Speaker 2: with the new Liberal leader for New South Wales, Kelly Slanes.
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Speaker 1: You've joined me right here in the studio after this break. Yeah.
24:58
Speaker 2: Of course, we had the upheaval and in New South
25:00
Speaker 2: Wales Liberals last week. In fact, Mark Speakman took the
25:03
Speaker 2: first twenty minutes of my program on Thursday night when he.
25:06
Speaker 1: Said more than he'd ever said before when he was
25:08
Speaker 1: resigning from the position.
25:10
Speaker 2: The following day, as expected, Kelly Sloane became the new
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Speaker 2: opposition leader, She joins me, now live in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you, Kelly, Good to be with you, Chris.
25:17
Speaker 2: So I mentioned to people we go way back. We've
25:19
Speaker 2: known each other thirty years, right. We used to work
25:21
Speaker 2: in a newsroom together back in the day.
25:24
Speaker 14: We won't share those stories.
25:25
Speaker 1: We won't share our stories. But what a life you've
25:28
Speaker 1: led to get you to this position.
25:29
Speaker 2: You know, moved to Sydney twenty five years ago, three
25:34
Speaker 2: children born here, a media career, then a career running
25:38
Speaker 2: a not for profit organization. You're only a few years
25:42
Speaker 2: in the politics.
25:43
Speaker 1: Now you're the leader of the opposition. How daunting is that?
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Speaker 15: Well, I've just jumped in and run with it. I
25:51
Speaker 15: have to say, I still can't get used to the title,
25:53
Speaker 15: being introduced as the opposition leader.
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Speaker 14: It's an incredible privilege.
25:57
Speaker 15: And I bring all of that life experience into the role.
26:00
Speaker 15: So fresh to politics but not fresh to leadership. Had
26:03
Speaker 15: plenty of community experience, you know, running not for profits
26:08
Speaker 15: on boards, connecting with the community in my former role
26:11
Speaker 15: as a journalist.
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Speaker 14: So I'm trying to bring all of that into this role.
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Speaker 1: Now.
26:16
Speaker 2: I remember talking to you privately about politics, maybe ten
26:19
Speaker 2: years ago, about you thinking about going into it, and
26:23
Speaker 2: certainly when you first put up your hand for a
26:24
Speaker 2: Liberal preselection in wille B, I supported you on this program.
26:28
Speaker 2: I said, Kelliy Sloan's a good person. That's the sort
26:30
Speaker 2: of person you want in politics. You didn't get that one.
26:33
Speaker 2: You came in through voclouse, now you're opposition. I just
26:36
Speaker 2: want to go back to that. Why You're having a
26:38
Speaker 2: successful life and a very busy life.
26:41
Speaker 1: So why choose to go into politics? What did you
26:44
Speaker 1: want to achieve?
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Speaker 15: I think the first ever interview I did as a
26:47
Speaker 15: journalist was with the premiere of the time back in
26:49
Speaker 15: South Australia, and I got the bug from day one.
26:52
Speaker 14: I loved public policy.
26:53
Speaker 15: I love seeing how the decisions that are made in
26:56
Speaker 15: Parliament impact everyday lives, and so I followed that through
27:00
Speaker 15: my career and I wasn't content being on the sidelines.
27:04
Speaker 15: As much as a privilege it was to report on
27:06
Speaker 15: people's lives, I wanted to play an active role in
27:09
Speaker 15: the change I wanted to see, and first stop was
27:12
Speaker 15: really moving into the not for profit space, where I
27:14
Speaker 15: did get to have an impact at Life Education, where
27:17
Speaker 15: we were supporting kids and families to make healthy and
27:20
Speaker 15: safe choices, whether it's drug and alcoholic education, cyber safety.
27:24
Speaker 15: And I managed to travel the state and I met
27:27
Speaker 15: politicians on their patch, whether it was liberal or labor
27:30
Speaker 15: or nationals doing good work in their communities, and I thought,
27:34
Speaker 15: maybe I can have a go at this and maybe
27:36
Speaker 15: I can make a bigger difference.
27:37
Speaker 2: So what's the number one thing you would like to
27:40
Speaker 2: improve about life in New South Wales as we speak.
27:43
Speaker 15: I want to make it easier for families who are
27:45
Speaker 15: really struggling right now, Households who are saying that the
27:48
Speaker 15: energy prices are up, that they it's taking them longer
27:52
Speaker 15: to get home because the railways keep breaking down, that
27:55
Speaker 15: there've been cuts to health. You know, I think there
27:58
Speaker 15: is no longer an ambitious plan for South Wales under
28:00
Speaker 15: this Labor government.
28:01
Speaker 14: I want us to be bold.
28:03
Speaker 15: We are the premier state in New South Wales, but
28:06
Speaker 15: we're sliding backwards. Builders are leaving and going over the
28:09
Speaker 15: border into Queensland. So practical cost of living measures, improved
28:13
Speaker 15: health cost of living.
28:15
Speaker 2: Now, this is where you and I are going to
28:16
Speaker 2: disagree because you mentioned energy prices there. I know that
28:20
Speaker 2: energy prices are driven up by the push to renewables
28:23
Speaker 2: and the pursuit of net zero by twenty fifty, and
28:27
Speaker 2: the Coalition federally have made the sensible decision to abandon
28:30
Speaker 2: that and prioritize reliability and affordability.
28:34
Speaker 1: But you're sticky with net zero.
28:36
Speaker 15: Why it's a position that's been consistent in the New
28:40
Speaker 15: South Wales Coalition since twenty sixteen. It was a roadmap
28:43
Speaker 15: that we delivered because of the look what.
28:44
Speaker 2: It's delivered is delivered higher power prices and less reliability.
28:48
Speaker 15: Well, if the lights go out in a few years,
28:50
Speaker 15: we're in trouble, and they will because in New South
28:52
Speaker 15: Wales we are unique in that our coal fire power
28:55
Speaker 15: stations aren't aging. They're coming offline. We're going to have
28:57
Speaker 15: to sweat those assets. They're going to have to stay
28:59
Speaker 15: on longer. We are absolutely supportive of gas, We're agnostic
29:03
Speaker 15: about technology and there's work we can do in the
29:05
Speaker 15: here and now while still keeping our eye on the
29:08
Speaker 15: horizon and providing that certainty and continuity for the businesses.
29:12
Speaker 15: Have poured billions of dollars into the New South Wales
29:14
Speaker 15: economy to get some of those projects on track.
29:18
Speaker 2: But the reason coal assets are falling by the wayside
29:20
Speaker 2: and no new coals coming in is because the policies
29:23
Speaker 2: are designed to shut them out. Right, that's a consequence,
29:26
Speaker 2: a deliberate consequence of the policy. So if you don't
29:29
Speaker 2: want the lights to go out, you do need a
29:31
Speaker 2: lot more gas generation.
29:33
Speaker 1: What could you do about Narrabrie.
29:35
Speaker 2: There's vast gas reserves in Narrabrie in the western New
29:38
Speaker 2: South Wales that Santos has been trying to open up
29:41
Speaker 2: for years and it's been thwarted by government processes.
29:44
Speaker 1: Could that be fast tracked?
29:45
Speaker 14: Well, it should be, It probably should be.
29:47
Speaker 15: But look, I'm not going to pretend to be an
29:49
Speaker 15: expert on the mechanics of the energy grid on day
29:52
Speaker 15: one really in the job as the New South Wales
29:54
Speaker 15: opposition leader. But affordability and reliability will come first. Working
30:00
Speaker 15: with our National's colleagues on policies on the ground that
30:02
Speaker 15: will also address some of the great divide in these communities,
30:05
Speaker 15: the haves and the have nots from the rollout. So
30:08
Speaker 15: you had communities who where some farmers are benefiting tremendously
30:12
Speaker 15: the rollout is actually droughtproofing their farms, but just across
30:15
Speaker 15: the road they're missing out and they're watching the powership
30:19
Speaker 15: to Sydney there are things we can do to address that,
30:21
Speaker 15: and there are things that we can do to support
30:25
Speaker 15: families to make sure that this impact as the renewables
30:29
Speaker 15: roll out. But we're also focused on other forms of energy.
30:33
Speaker 15: That's some equity there.
30:34
Speaker 2: There will be lots of energy talk in the weeks
30:36
Speaker 2: and months to come. Let me just get you on
30:38
Speaker 2: something else. So the day after you became opposition later
30:40
Speaker 2: you went out to Western Sydney and this is what
30:43
Speaker 2: you've confronted.
30:45
Speaker 8: We know that all you care about is the rich.
30:47
Speaker 2: You don't care about.
30:54
Speaker 1: Now these are hecklers.
30:55
Speaker 2: They're socialists and they're pro Palestinian types and they're heckling you.
31:00
Speaker 2: They're really trying to bully you and stop you talking
31:03
Speaker 2: to people. Should Chris Mins come out and all of
31:06
Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens and condemn this sort of behavior
31:09
Speaker 2: because these people really are actually trying to block the
31:13
Speaker 2: political process rather than just make a point.
31:17
Speaker 15: Absolutely, and those kinds of people are not going to
31:20
Speaker 15: intimidate me. I am not afraid to have tough conversations
31:24
Speaker 15: and I expect to have plenty as we campaign, as
31:27
Speaker 15: we sell our policies. But people like that who won't
31:30
Speaker 15: do me the courtesy of telling me their name when
31:32
Speaker 15: I say I'm happy to sit down with him and
31:34
Speaker 15: have a chat. Who just want a rant who, by
31:36
Speaker 15: the way, don't live in Western Sydney, who have just
31:38
Speaker 15: come out there to interrupt a news conference. Don't deserve
31:41
Speaker 15: my time of day to be honest.
31:43
Speaker 2: Yes, spot on just briefly. Though Chris Men's not doing
31:46
Speaker 2: too bout a job. It seems like a reasonable bloke.
31:48
Speaker 1: You how to get on well with him? And how
31:51
Speaker 1: do you beat a nice guy?
31:53
Speaker 15: So I get along fine with him, and it's not
31:55
Speaker 15: about beating Chris Mins.
31:57
Speaker 14: And he does seem like a nice guy.
31:58
Speaker 15: But I'm afraid he's government is not achieving much and
32:01
Speaker 15: they have not set out an ambitious strategy for New
32:05
Speaker 15: South Wales. So I'll beat them on policy, I'll beat
32:07
Speaker 15: them on ideas, and I'll just get out there and
32:09
Speaker 15: do the hard work with the team that I think
32:11
Speaker 15: is outstanding, supporting me Germeish seeing the new Nationals leader.
32:15
Speaker 14: We get along tremendously.
32:16
Speaker 15: You know we're going to be a formidable team and
32:18
Speaker 15: we're going to give it a red hot crack.
32:19
Speaker 1: Great stuff.
32:20
Speaker 2: Kelly, thanks for coming on the show and your husband Adam.
32:23
Speaker 1: We know he's going to be the handbag.
32:25
Speaker 15: Well, he's probably cooking dinner for the kids as we speak.
32:28
Speaker 1: He's fantastic, good stuff. Kelly, thanks for coming and appreciate it.
32:32
Speaker 1: Kelly Sloane there.
32:33
Speaker 2: The new leader of the opposition, leader of the Liberal
32:35
Speaker 2: Party here in New South Wales.
32:37
Speaker 1: We'll take a break. On the other side. The Ashes
32:39
Speaker 1: was wash up in London.
32:41
Speaker 2: You won't see you love seeing what the English papers
32:43
Speaker 2: are doing to their cricket team will catch up with
32:46
Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth. We cannot and we will not let this
32:53
Speaker 2: hour go by without mentioning the Ashes. Australia, of course,
32:57
Speaker 2: is now up one mill after just two in Perth.
33:00
Speaker 2: When Travis Head proved to be England's biggest headache, he's
33:05
Speaker 2: Ben Stokes.
33:07
Speaker 3: He had an answer for everything. You know. We went
33:09
Speaker 3: through three four five different mosts to try and get
33:13
Speaker 3: the wicked of Travis because when he was going we
33:15
Speaker 3: knew that he was going to be the big one.
33:17
Speaker 3: You've got to let you know emotions like this sinking
33:20
Speaker 3: and how it's got to hurt.
33:25
Speaker 1: How good was Travis Head a South ossie? Of course?
33:27
Speaker 1: The only problem with Travis Head, I reckon is he's
33:30
Speaker 1: a Port.
33:30
Speaker 2: Supporter, but he's a great South Australian and a great
33:34
Speaker 2: perhaps permanent opening batsman for Australia. Now let's go to
33:37
Speaker 2: London and bring in the News Corp Europe correspondent of course.
33:40
Speaker 2: Sky News contributed to Sophie Ellsworth and Sophie, I can't
33:43
Speaker 2: wait to hear what the English media have made of
33:46
Speaker 2: all is.
33:49
Speaker 16: Yeah, great to be with you, Crystal. They're taking it
33:51
Speaker 16: really badly here there are, you know, drowning their sorrows.
33:55
Speaker 16: They're very distraught with what's happened. Just with some of
33:59
Speaker 16: the papers over the weekend, Chris. It's a bit of
34:01
Speaker 16: a juggling app because it's wet here, but you can
34:04
Speaker 16: see here he's one of the front pages saying feel
34:07
Speaker 16: the pain. Front page cheers saying feel the pain, how
34:11
Speaker 16: upset they are. And then there's another front page cheer Chris,
34:14
Speaker 16: which you'll love, where they're saying absolutely shell shopped. These guys,
34:20
Speaker 16: these poems are not taking this whirl, Chris. They're devastated
34:24
Speaker 16: with what's happened. And then I've just got here with me, Chris.
34:27
Speaker 16: The Sun editorial that they ran on the weekend really
34:31
Speaker 16: quite astounding, where they said Australia, it doesn't amount to
34:36
Speaker 16: much on the global scale. They've ripped into us and
34:39
Speaker 16: say they're just good at a couple of sports. Winning
34:42
Speaker 16: the Ashes and beating the Poms means so much it
34:46
Speaker 16: defines them.
34:48
Speaker 7: I mean, this is just revokable.
34:51
Speaker 17: Next throwing the toys out.
34:52
Speaker 16: Of the cock, Chris. They are shattered and we're only
34:55
Speaker 16: one Test series in, so wait for the next four.
35:00
Speaker 16: I mean, this is just astounding. And the coverage here
35:03
Speaker 16: there've been very vocal about how pathetic the Poems were,
35:08
Speaker 16: so they're not taking it well here Chris at all.
35:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
35:12
Speaker 2: They downplay Australia as a sporting nation.
35:14
Speaker 1: I mean, what are the Poems do outside cricket?
35:17
Speaker 2: How many World Cups have they won in soccer in
35:20
Speaker 2: the last few decades?
35:23
Speaker 14: Exactly, Chris. And look, they don't want to talk about it.
35:25
Speaker 16: If you mentioned the cricket year, you can just feel
35:28
Speaker 16: the twet, you can see the twitch. They just don't
35:31
Speaker 16: want to talk about it. They've gone very quiet, and
35:33
Speaker 16: Chris not forgetting. They were pretty arrogant going into this
35:36
Speaker 16: Test series that they were going to win five zero
35:39
Speaker 16: and that is not going to be the case.
35:41
Speaker 2: I got to say though the English they don't weldsho
35:44
Speaker 2: on their debts, on their bets. Sorry, A senior producer here,
35:48
Speaker 2: James Birdles, had a bottle of wine on the first
35:51
Speaker 2: test with me and it was there for me when
35:53
Speaker 2: I walked in this morning. And Adelaide Hill's read too
35:56
Speaker 2: from Travis Head's backyard. Brilliant stuff. Let's get to some
36:01
Speaker 2: more serious repercussions in the UK, Sophie and the BBC.
36:06
Speaker 2: We've talked about all the fallout that's happened there and
36:09
Speaker 2: the two very senior positions that people have had to
36:12
Speaker 2: resign from those top positions. But now the MPs, the
36:16
Speaker 2: parliamentarians are going to get to grill the BBC.
36:18
Speaker 1: What do we expect to unfold there?
36:22
Speaker 14: Well, that's right, Chris.
36:23
Speaker 16: Today is really d day for a lot of the
36:25
Speaker 16: BBC executives who.
36:27
Speaker 14: Will come before the Sports.
36:29
Speaker 16: Committee here in the UK and face a lot of
36:31
Speaker 16: questions over what happened here with the disaster that's happened
36:36
Speaker 16: in recent weeks, and Chris, they have a lot of
36:39
Speaker 16: questions to answer. They've got scandal after scandal. Just last
36:43
Speaker 16: week another book came out relating to that infamous interview
36:48
Speaker 16: Martin Bisheer did with the late Princess Diana. That's another
36:52
Speaker 16: scandal they've been dealing with that. They're facing this five
36:56
Speaker 16: billion dollar lawsuit with Donald Trump, as we know that
36:59
Speaker 16: will be high the agenda today. They just cannot seem
37:03
Speaker 16: to shape these scandals, and today we will hear from
37:06
Speaker 16: the BBC chairman who will face a grilling. So there's
37:10
Speaker 16: much more to come on this, Chris. But there's no
37:13
Speaker 16: doubt the BBC's brand and reputation has been harmed in
37:18
Speaker 16: recent weeks will just fall out with Donald Trump.
37:21
Speaker 2: Speaking of scandals, there's ongoing repercussions for the former Prince
37:25
Speaker 2: Andrew and all the Epstein inquiries suggestions that maybe Congress
37:30
Speaker 2: would like to hear from him on this, there's very
37:33
Speaker 2: little chance of that happening, surely.
37:37
Speaker 16: Well, there is very little chance, Chris. They've written to
37:41
Speaker 16: the former Prince Andrew so Andrew Mountbatten Windsor asking him
37:45
Speaker 16: to come before Congress and answer a range of questions
37:49
Speaker 16: relating to the pedophild pedophile late financier Jeffrey Epstein. Now,
37:55
Speaker 16: he had until last week to respond to this request.
37:59
Speaker 16: He has not respond and just over the weekend to
38:02
Speaker 16: care some of the British Prime Minister came out and
38:05
Speaker 16: he said that he was very cautious in his words,
38:08
Speaker 16: but he said if people have information that's useful, they
38:10
Speaker 16: should be forthcoming. He didn't go as far as saying
38:14
Speaker 16: Andrew Mount bat windsor Mount Baton windsor should speak, but
38:19
Speaker 16: he basically walked around it and said it's something that
38:21
Speaker 16: should happen. So the press pressure remains on Andrew to
38:26
Speaker 16: come forward with the information he knows, but he's very
38:29
Speaker 16: much in the doghouse. He increase and we won't be
38:32
Speaker 16: seeing him in public for a long time.
38:34
Speaker 1: Thanks so much again for joining us. Sophie. Love it
38:37
Speaker 1: out there in the in the London Raigin. I love the.
38:40
Speaker 2: Transparent umbrella too, Thanks Grey great stuff. We still get
38:45
Speaker 2: the streetscape even though the umbrellas in full use.
38:48
Speaker 1: We've got to take a break.
38:50
Speaker 2: On the other side, gematon Eni and Caroline Dress lots
38:52
Speaker 2: to talk about with them. One of the things I
38:54
Speaker 2: want to ask him about is that Weather Bureau website
38:57
Speaker 2: that's caused us almost one hundred million dollars. Okay, let's
39:05
Speaker 2: sort everything out now with Caroline Drusso. Who's the Sky
39:09
Speaker 2: News contributor joined us from Perth and on the desk
39:11
Speaker 2: key with me jematon Uni from GT Communications. Let's start
39:15
Speaker 2: with the shenanigans in the Senate. We just showed the pictures.
39:18
Speaker 2: Let's have a look again. Here's Pauline Hanson. She's done
39:21
Speaker 2: this before, she did it eight years ago, but she
39:23
Speaker 2: turned up just before four o'clock this afternoon in the Senate.
39:27
Speaker 1: In a full burker.
39:29
Speaker 2: Quick thoughts on this first, Cara, and then we'll go
39:32
Speaker 2: to some more reaction.
39:35
Speaker 18: Oh look, I don't love it personally. Look, I didn't
39:38
Speaker 18: think it was okay for Sarah Hanson Young.
39:40
Speaker 7: To hold up a fish.
39:42
Speaker 18: I don't think that this is necessarily appropriate either. And
39:45
Speaker 18: you know, Chris, there's an important conversation that sits behind
39:49
Speaker 18: this stunt, and we should be having the important conversation
39:51
Speaker 18: and not being distracted by things like this.
39:53
Speaker 2: In my view, yeah, there's no doubt it's a stunt.
39:56
Speaker 2: But Gemma, is this a way of getting to the
39:58
Speaker 2: serious issue of weather?
40:00
Speaker 1: Full burkers on the public streets of Australia are appropriate?
40:04
Speaker 13: God, it's one way. It's definitely one way. Is it
40:07
Speaker 13: an effective way?
40:09
Speaker 14: I don't know.
40:10
Speaker 13: I think there will be some people who will cheer
40:13
Speaker 13: that on and some people who for whom it will
40:16
Speaker 13: be an absolute anathema to the conversation conversation that she's
40:20
Speaker 13: trying to have and in a shocking plot twist. I'm
40:23
Speaker 13: in furious agreement with Caroline around the fact that there
40:26
Speaker 13: is an important, really significant conversation that we need to
40:30
Speaker 13: have behind this stunt about that and other issues, but
40:34
Speaker 13: particularly you can't have it when you know the Parliament
40:38
Speaker 13: is turned into some sort of vaudeville slapstick place. And
40:42
Speaker 13: again I agree, you know, no one should be holding
40:45
Speaker 13: up kafirs and Palestinian flags and diminishing the Australian Parliament's
40:52
Speaker 13: That's not my view the way. But to your question,
40:54
Speaker 13: does it bring it to attention? Well, obviously, but is
40:56
Speaker 13: that ultimately fruitful?
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Speaker 14: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a stunt, there's no doubt about it, and
41:00
Speaker 2: so stunts shouldn't happen on the floor of Parliament. But
41:03
Speaker 2: have a look at what some of the other politicians
41:04
Speaker 2: had to say about it in the last little while.
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Speaker 14: But racism should.
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Speaker 17: Not be the choice of the Senate.
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Speaker 14: This is a racist senator.
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Speaker 1: Senator displaying blend.
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Speaker 14: If this is about the dress code.
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Speaker 15: She is disrespecting of faith, She is disrespecting the Muslims
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Speaker 15: out there, Muslim Australians.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely unconstitutional.
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Speaker 18: This needs to be dealt with immediately before we proceed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Fatima payment there and Marine Ferruki earlier, obviously both
41:38
Speaker 2: they're both Muslim senators, Carolyn, and this goes to the
41:42
Speaker 2: point of course Fatima payment there in a head scarf.
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Speaker 1: Now this is the point, isn't it. You're going to
41:49
Speaker 1: have this a bet.
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Speaker 2: If it's okay for her to wear that, then then
41:52
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson is not allowed to wear a burker because
41:54
Speaker 2: she's not Muslim. The whole issue here is whether this
41:57
Speaker 2: is discrimination against women forcing them to where a full burker.
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Speaker 2: But when you ask, when women are asked, they say
42:05
Speaker 2: that's their choice.
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Speaker 1: What else can they say if that's the environment they're
42:09
Speaker 1: living in. It's a very fraud issue.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know whether paul and Hanson bring it
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Speaker 2: to everyone's attention this way, helps it or hinders it.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I take your point, and I'm not sure it's
42:22
Speaker 18: particularly helpful because I think this is a conversation that
42:25
Speaker 18: everyone needs to have with measured voices. I don't think
42:28
Speaker 18: people hollering at each other across the Senate Chamber is
42:31
Speaker 18: really going to help anyone understand anyone else's position or
42:38
Speaker 18: you know, further the conversation productively in any way. And
42:42
Speaker 18: Jim made the point, you know, there is a conversation
42:44
Speaker 18: to be had here, and it can be quite a
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Speaker 18: serious conversation, and there's a number of things that stem
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Speaker 18: off it other than just the wearing of the burker.
42:54
Speaker 18: But look, I take the point about potential discrimination or whatever.
42:59
Speaker 18: But what I actually think that today's stunt has done
43:03
Speaker 18: is it's distracted from the conversation, but it's also added
43:06
Speaker 18: extra layers to it that don't need to be added.
43:10
Speaker 18: So I think I think we need to simplify these
43:13
Speaker 18: sort of conversations, take them offline, have nuanced discussions around them,
43:18
Speaker 18: because you know, the carry on on all sides, frankly,
43:23
Speaker 18: is just really unedifying.
43:25
Speaker 2: Yes, this is the issue, there is a serious issue there,
43:28
Speaker 2: and yet and we're not having that. Note but what
43:31
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on this? I mean, there are some
43:34
Speaker 2: adherents of the Muslim faith you think women need to
43:36
Speaker 2: dress like that, and they and they exist in our community,
43:39
Speaker 2: and some people say that should not be allowed in
43:41
Speaker 2: our community. Now, if it's their choice to cover their
43:44
Speaker 2: face or the face of women of a certain age
43:47
Speaker 2: in their community, should we should that be allowed? What
43:51
Speaker 2: right do we have to say no?
43:52
Speaker 13: So that is a really really important question, and it's
43:56
Speaker 13: not even in and of itself. It's not simple because
43:59
Speaker 13: fund and mentally, I don't want someone telling me I
44:01
Speaker 13: can't live my Christian faith right and I don't want
44:05
Speaker 13: someone telling me that I can't do various things that
44:08
Speaker 13: are wrapped up in my own faith beliefs. Where it
44:12
Speaker 13: comes an issue in my view is okay, we're going
44:15
Speaker 13: to clear out the local pool because women in bikini
44:18
Speaker 13: shouldn't be in there when well, yeah, you know that
44:21
Speaker 13: that happens, right, all those suggestions have happened.
44:23
Speaker 14: This isn't.
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Speaker 13: Australia is a pluralist nation founded on judo Christian values,
44:29
Speaker 13: and if a woman chooses to wear a burka, then
44:33
Speaker 13: that's absolutely her choice.
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Speaker 14: The question is does she choose?
44:36
Speaker 13: If a woman chooses to go to church, that's fine,
44:39
Speaker 13: is it her choice? I also raise the contradiction if
44:42
Speaker 13: I can't walk into the branch of a bank with
44:45
Speaker 13: a motorcycle helmet on my face, because it obscures my face.
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Speaker 14: Senator payment. We can tell that it's senator payment. That's
44:53
Speaker 14: not an issue.
44:53
Speaker 13: So this is a complex conversation that is not simple
44:57
Speaker 13: by any means, and people trying to class the fire
45:00
Speaker 13: as racist store islamophobic are respectfully wrong and overly simplistic.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to something a little bit more simple
45:12
Speaker 2: in the way we addressed I reckon.
45:14
Speaker 13: Please really, Christmas, Carol, and tell.
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Speaker 1: Me what you think about this.
45:19
Speaker 2: The Bureau of Meteorology, on our behalf decide to readji
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Speaker 2: its website. Ninety six million dollars is spent and the
45:26
Speaker 2: website is shite, by the way, But how.
45:30
Speaker 1: Does this happen?
45:30
Speaker 2: How can they waste that much of our money on
45:33
Speaker 2: something like this?
45:36
Speaker 7: I have no idea.
45:38
Speaker 18: Even if it was nine point six million, it would
45:40
Speaker 18: be too much. But you have to move the whole
45:43
Speaker 18: decimal point a place, and it is. It is absolutely obscene.
45:46
Speaker 18: And then you know, Chris, you extrapolate this out and
45:49
Speaker 18: you think, whose time is worth all that, what has
45:53
Speaker 18: actually been done, what work has been wasted, what testing
45:56
Speaker 18: has been wasted?
45:57
Speaker 14: And there's people out there who can't.
45:59
Speaker 18: Afford to buy a house, Well, no one, you can't
46:01
Speaker 18: afford to buy a house when a website costs ninety
46:03
Speaker 18: six million in.
46:04
Speaker 1: This country, all of a.
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Speaker 7: Sudden, I just think this is so obscene.
46:09
Speaker 18: And the fact is the information should be given. We
46:13
Speaker 18: should be able to see exactly what has happened here,
46:16
Speaker 18: who's made decisions, who has done what work and if
46:19
Speaker 18: heads do And I'm not normally someone who calls for
46:22
Speaker 18: heads to rocks. I think it's a little bit over
46:24
Speaker 18: the top, but ninety six million on a website. Someone
46:29
Speaker 18: must be accountable. There must be consequences. The Australian taxpayer
46:34
Speaker 18: has been totally roughted.
46:36
Speaker 2: Well, if you want accountability, you're not going to get
46:38
Speaker 2: it from Tanya Polipusikis she was on morning television.
46:42
Speaker 17: The fact that it has gone over budget and has
46:45
Speaker 17: been the functionality of it is not good. Is something
46:51
Speaker 17: that the new CEO has to get to the bottom of.
46:54
Speaker 14: He has been there for a week.
46:56
Speaker 17: The Minister's had him in twice already.
46:59
Speaker 11: Oh, CEOs and general I've got to get your I
47:03
Speaker 11: know this is your game right your incoms, you would
47:06
Speaker 11: have helped so many companies set up websites whatever a
47:09
Speaker 11: to carry us what four million dollars at at the
47:12
Speaker 11: outset is a ridiculous.
47:14
Speaker 13: By Let me tell you what happens. When you go
47:17
Speaker 13: to a client. You go, I've quoted you four million
47:19
Speaker 13: dollars few website.
47:20
Speaker 14: Sorry it's ninety millions.
47:21
Speaker 13: The client said, sorry, no, I'm not paying a contract
47:24
Speaker 13: that says four million. Please justify me why it's now
47:28
Speaker 13: ninety million. And note that, well, exactly, that's the biggest
47:32
Speaker 13: pile of steaming manure. And there is a high list
47:35
Speaker 13: of contenders. Let me tell you, but that's right up there.
47:38
Speaker 13: In terms of a process to build a website, there's
47:40
Speaker 13: a production process. There's a it's like building a house,
47:43
Speaker 13: you know, just like hand over the plans and the
47:44
Speaker 13: next and the next thing you see is this finished house.
47:47
Speaker 14: You go in, you talk to your builder, this work's.
47:49
Speaker 13: At what point did the project manager at the Bureau
47:53
Speaker 13: of Meteorology go, oh, I reckon, this is getting a
47:55
Speaker 13: bit up there, I reckon, we have to have a
47:57
Speaker 13: conversation about budget.
47:59
Speaker 14: They're a bit over budget.
48:00
Speaker 13: I can tell you what my clients would say if
48:02
Speaker 13: I said to them, We've got, you know, a budget
48:04
Speaker 13: of one hundred thousand. I'm sorry, it's ten million, see
48:07
Speaker 13: you later.
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Speaker 14: See you later.
48:10
Speaker 13: It isn't hit you on the backside. As Caroline said,
48:13
Speaker 13: you talk about a productivity problem. You talk about productivity
48:17
Speaker 13: in this nation and people who can't afford to do
48:19
Speaker 13: the basics. Look at stuff like that and imagine how
48:22
Speaker 13: often it's been replicated.
48:23
Speaker 1: All exactly that is but an example.
48:25
Speaker 2: It's just an insight how much of our money is
48:28
Speaker 2: being wasted. Unbelievable, disgraceful, and the government saying, oh, I'll
48:32
Speaker 2: talk to the CEO sort of out yourselves.
48:35
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Caroline and General. We'll catch you
48:37
Speaker 1: next week.
48:38
Speaker 2: Got to go to a break and after this sexual
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Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Steve Price filling in
48:43
Speaker 2: for Peter Kreedline.
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Speaker 1: Cheers,