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Dorit Unburdened, Summer House Reunion Drama, & Netflix's MJ Verdict with Kate Casey · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Heather MacDonald
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  Speaker 1: has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road,
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. We have one of
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  Speaker 1: my very good friends and one of your favorite Juicy
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  Speaker 1: Scoopers as well as her own great podcast. It's Kate
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  Speaker 1: Casey from Reality Life with Kate Casey. She is a writer.
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  Speaker 1: She's a mother of five. She is a blonde blue-eyed delight. Welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. So fun to always have you on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. But first... As the kids say,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to give you your flowers. Because our girl
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  Speaker 1: is a published writer in Vanity Fair. This is so amazing.
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  Speaker 1: You had told me that you were working on this
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  Speaker 1: and then to see that it was chosen and published.
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  Speaker 1: And it was something that we talked about on Juicy
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  Speaker 1: Crimes every Wednesday. Please subscribe. Tell a friend. You can
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  Speaker 1: watch it on YouTube as well. was the story of
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  Speaker 1: Martha Moxley, who was a teenage girl who was found
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  Speaker 1: bludgeoned to death. Bludgeoned to death, yeah. How many years ago?
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  Speaker 1: 50 years ago?
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  Speaker 2: 45?
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  Speaker 4: A little over 50. She was killed on October 30th, 1975.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a Kennedy family tie to the two
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  Speaker 1: brothers that were involved. And you just really got involved
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  Speaker 1: in it, and you love to do... deep dive kind
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  Speaker 1: of psychological stuff, which is what we talk a lot about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, society versus and psychology of what makes
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  Speaker 1: someone do something. And being that this was so long
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  Speaker 1: ago is a really interesting angle that you took. We
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  Speaker 1: want everyone to go read it, of course, but can
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  Speaker 1: you just tell us a little bit about the kind
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  Speaker 1: of unique take of this story that has been told
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  Speaker 1: many times, but been on datelines and things.
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  Speaker 4: Well, In reflection, because I did two episodes about it,
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  Speaker 4: I thought a lot about how the prosecutors, the defenders,
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  Speaker 4: the judge, a lot of the reporters, most of the reporters,
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  Speaker 4: almost all of the reporters that covered it were all men.
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  Speaker 4: And I wanted to revisit her diary entries to make
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  Speaker 4: sense of how she was feeling in the weeks before
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  Speaker 4: she was murdered. And as I began going through the
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  Speaker 4: diary entries, which were used as evidence of the trial,
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  Speaker 4: it made me realize how much Martha is just like
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  Speaker 4: every 15-year-old. It was the same for my mom in 1963,
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  Speaker 4: the same for me. It's also the same for my
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  Speaker 4: daughters now about how girls are often trying to manage
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  Speaker 4: the emotional labor of men around them who were expected
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  Speaker 4: to sort of navigate their emotions over our own. So
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  Speaker 4: in her case, the evening that she gets murdered, she
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  Speaker 4: goes to a neighbor's house, the Skakel house. And in
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  Speaker 4: the weeks before She's murdered. You see in the diary
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  Speaker 4: entries that there are two brothers of the seven siblings
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  Speaker 4: who have some sort of interest in her.
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  Speaker 1: And they're cousins. These boys are cousins. Of the Kennedys.
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  Speaker 1: Of the Kennedys. First cousins.
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  Speaker 4: So their mother, excuse me, their father was the sibling
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  Speaker 4: of Ethel Skakel Kennedy, who was Robert Kennedy's sister or wife. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, they live across the street.
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  Speaker 4: And in the weeks before she gets killed, she's writing
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  Speaker 4: about how they're both vying for her attention. And the one,
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  Speaker 4: the younger brother, is basically saying to her, well, you
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  Speaker 4: like my brother. And she says, no, I don't. And
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  Speaker 4: then he's getting angry with her. And at one point
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  Speaker 4: she writes, I shouldn't go over to the house anymore.
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  Speaker 4: And I realized that in the trial and all of
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  Speaker 4: the other reporters that have covered it, they say, well,
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  Speaker 4: she kept going back to the house. but I sort
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  Speaker 4: of thought that was a metaphor for what girls experience
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  Speaker 4: in terms of social life and men is that, or boys,
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  Speaker 4: is that if she didn't go back to the house,
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  Speaker 4: that was the center of all social activity in her neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Back then people didn't have, you know, weren't watching
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  Speaker 1: TV all day and computers. So you really were out
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  Speaker 1: all day long, come back, you know, I'm not concerned.
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  Speaker 1: We all joke about our generations being able to like
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  Speaker 1: ride bikes and our parents didn't know we were where
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  Speaker 1: we were and all that. So of course you weren't
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  Speaker 1: going to even not, you know, hang out with these
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  Speaker 1: people that were across the street.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So she does.
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  Speaker 4: Go back and then she ultimately has to go home
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  Speaker 4: to make curfew. And in between the time that she's
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  Speaker 4: at their house to going back to her house, she
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  Speaker 4: gets bludgeoned to death with a golf club in her backyard.
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  Speaker 4: That golf club was traced back to the neighbor's house.
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  Speaker 1: The Skakel's. Skakel House.
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  Speaker 4: So the article revisits the diary entries, but I think
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  Speaker 4: for every girl that's reading it, they're going to see
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  Speaker 4: themselves in it. And I would hope that in time,
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  Speaker 4: people have a better understanding of the way, how unfair
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  Speaker 4: it is, how girls are often seen as like they're
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  Speaker 4: playing men with their children. I mean- That was the
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  Speaker 4: thing about Martha that people would say, oh, well, she
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  Speaker 4: got her braces off and she was kind of feeling herself.
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  Speaker 1: She's a child. You know what's so interesting, you know, too,
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  Speaker 1: is when I, in doing Juicy Crimes and in visiting
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  Speaker 1: like older crimes, classic crimes, or even ones that I've
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  Speaker 1: worked on, there has been certain things that I was like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute. If there was, if the defense had
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  Speaker 1: women on it, they'd realize that as a mother of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even if you think the person did it,
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  Speaker 1: one that I always talk about is, That this woman
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  Speaker 1: was accused and convicted of planning her husband's murder where
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend went and killed him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it happened the night before the first day of
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  Speaker 1: school for her elementary aged kids. And I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: just don't think you'd plan it for that day. No,
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  Speaker 1: too stressful. Did she maybe realize later he was involved? Possibly.
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  Speaker 1: But did she plan that? Like, that's what I, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, I just don't, Sometimes you just need
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  Speaker 1: a woman to like look at that point of view
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  Speaker 1: that even the greatest, you know, prosecutor or defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: that's a male can do a great job. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's great to just like our writer's room wants different perspectives,
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  Speaker 1: you know. when I was writing on a late night
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  Speaker 1: talk show for Kenan Bruins, he wanted a female, a
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  Speaker 1: white female's point of view because it's like, well, we've
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  Speaker 1: got this point of view of the guys. But what
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  Speaker 1: would a woman think of this particular joke? Like, where
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  Speaker 1: would they come from it? So, so great that you
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  Speaker 1: did that. Thank you. So congratulations. Speaking of incredible writers,
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  Speaker 1: we have to read. Yeah, I need to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me everything. Tell me everything.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Unburdened, baby. This meant so much to me. Are there
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  Speaker 1: pictures in it? There are. Okay. There are pictures. We
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  Speaker 1: get into everything. You know, I was a child of
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  Speaker 1: the world. I traveled. I spoke many languages, which I
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  Speaker 1: will say, very impressive. Yeah. I think she is very bright.
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  Speaker 1: I do think she has a good vocabulary. Yes, she
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  Speaker 1: had a ghostwriter, but I think a lot of this
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  Speaker 1: is herself. I don't know if the ghostwriter just helped
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  Speaker 1: her place it together. But as someone who searches for
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  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop, as my life's work, there is no juice,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. Very little juice. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: know some of the things about her life that you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have otherwise known, like the background, how did she
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  Speaker 1: end up in Europe? She was engaged twice and broke
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  Speaker 1: them off. She speaks very highly of PK. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of it of how genius he is, what an entrepreneur
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  Speaker 1: he is. One thing that's interesting that I do think
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  Speaker 1: as I read it, I was like, I still don't
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  Speaker 1: think this is new news, is that he got he
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  Speaker 1: got to the moves. They were living in New York
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, come on, baby, let's go to Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, you'll never get me out of this city.
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  Speaker 1: And they end up in Beverly Hills. And right around
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  Speaker 1: that time, he meets Boy George and is like, you
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  Speaker 1: don't need a music manager. You just— you' re a brand. And
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  Speaker 1: so then he's like, come live with us so that
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  Speaker 1: I can get to know you better and everything. And
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  Speaker 1: sorry to bring this up, but he had a— Boy George
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  Speaker 1: has a pretty traumatic past. I've interviewed him. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: doing— I mean, he was basically accused of having a
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  Speaker 1: man and like trapping him in a house and abusing him.
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  Speaker 4: Which he went to prison for and he would talk
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  Speaker 4: about it. He does talk about it. So, okay, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: He's forgiven in court of law in England and I
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  Speaker 1: guess here in Beverly Hills. So anyway, he comes, lives
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  Speaker 1: with them in the house. And then PK, who has
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  Speaker 1: said in his interviews, and she says it too, he
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  Speaker 1: talked to someone who said the only way to make
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  Speaker 1: it in L.A. is through power, money or fame. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And the money was always coming and going. There was always,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And millions here and millions there and bankruptcy. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, I don't understand how someone that juggles
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  Speaker 1: bankruptcy and all that then will still fly private and blow,
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  Speaker 1: you know, $ 70, 000 on a private flight and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: But OK.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe he just knows wealthy people, so he hitches
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  Speaker 1: a ride. Well, at their wedding, they all flew private
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  Speaker 1: back to L.A. and then said, let's drop off Jagger,
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  Speaker 1: and we went to Las Vegas for a few days.
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  Speaker 1: And they decided last minute, like you went up to
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  Speaker 1: the cockpit and was like, change of plans. Good Lord, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I think she was very much sucked
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  Speaker 1: into this very wealthy world and didn't want to know
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  Speaker 1: where the money was coming and if there was enough.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting, because I think a lot of people do the same.
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  Speaker 4: It's like Ruth Madoff was probably like, who gives a shit?
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  Speaker 4: We're going to have like lobster and go to on
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  Speaker 4: the Concord.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody else's husband goes to an office every day
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  Speaker 1: and doesn't ask him what he's doing. So why should I? Totally.
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  Speaker 1: So they did a little pilot. of like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you could see it almost sounds like them. It
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  Speaker 1: almost sounds like a bad 90s sitcom. I'm like, what
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  Speaker 1: do you do when boy George moves in with an
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  Speaker 1: English guy and two babies and, you know, or she
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  Speaker 1: just had a baby or was pregnant. So boy George was,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know this. He was part of the pilot.
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  Speaker 1: He was definitely part of it. She was like, she
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  Speaker 1: was the secondary, like, she was like, I just did
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  Speaker 1: this because PK asked me to do it. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be in the limelight. I just thought, OK,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be the PK and Boy George show. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, walking around with the babies, whatever. I think Boy.
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  Speaker 4: George would have been a sell for me. I would
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  Speaker 4: have watched that show.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, somebody in pitching it around and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: very similarly, Margaret Joseph's had a couple of pilot opportunities,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that took her to Malibu and it was
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  Speaker 1: about her business and whatever. And we know that like-
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  Speaker 1: Did this happen at Bose too? Did she have this too?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like- Maybe she did. I mean, the thing
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  Speaker 1: is it's casting. A lot of people are on the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. So they might've seen your reel or- Do
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  Speaker 1: you know how many housewives were on Say Yes to
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  Speaker 1: the Dress? Too many to count. Unbelievable. So whoever that
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  Speaker 1: person is, you know, was like, this is a freak.
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  Speaker 1: Let me call over Bravo. Like, this chick has a
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  Speaker 1: weird family. I mean, it's a perfect time to see
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  Speaker 1: the family and everything. To see the dynamic, see how
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  Speaker 1: wealthy you are, all of it.
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  Speaker 4: They need to get a little extra cash to say
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  Speaker 4: yes to the dress team.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah. Yeah, Dina Manzo was on it. Megan King
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  Speaker 1: Edmonds was on it.
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  Speaker 4: Because if you get the wife swap aspect of it,
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  Speaker 4: you kind of know what their family dynamics are, but
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  Speaker 4: you know that they have enough money to buy either
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  Speaker 4: a panina tournée dress.
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  Speaker 1: Or something else. The wife swap. You mean the say
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  Speaker 1: yes to the dress?
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  Speaker 4: Say yes to the dress. You are getting insight like
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  Speaker 4: how much money. You want the rich people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And she says everything. I'm marrying this person. I'm his
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  Speaker 1: third wife. But we're excited. You get the whole scoop
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  Speaker 1: in one second.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, for the good people listening who have
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  Speaker 4: watched a lot of episodes of Say Yes to the Dress,
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  Speaker 4: it's a shoo-in if they wear a panina tournée. Because
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  Speaker 4: that was the dress designer that was always like the
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  Speaker 4: bride that would go, I kind of want to look
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  Speaker 4: like slutty.
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  Speaker 1: And it would be like boning with like.
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  Speaker 4: just sort of lace, but like see-through.
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  Speaker 1: See-through. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So whenever there was a bride that was like, I
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  Speaker 4: want some panina tournée, I was like, oh, she's like
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  Speaker 4: ready to get down.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that's a look that's kind of maybe
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  Speaker 1: sailed or whatever. Thank God. So anyway, someone sees it
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  Speaker 1: and is like, perfect. Totally. And so then they reach
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  Speaker 1: out and then she goes to it. She didn't think
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  Speaker 1: she'd get it. She got it. And so then she,
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  Speaker 1: you know, That's, I mean, she talks about the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how scary it was, the robbery and everything. And talks
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  Speaker 1: about Pantygate.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Talks about Puppygate. I mean, in retrospect, Pantygate is so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: But none of it is anything that she didn't already
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  Speaker 1: say on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It was never like, you know, in retrospect, I was
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  Speaker 1: actually trying to be a bitch. Like, just something.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: It was always like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So like somebody did this to me and this is
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  Speaker 4: where we are.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's just a lot. It's very long winded. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And whenever they like fall asleep or any like and
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  Speaker 1: then act all tired about it, I'd be like, what?
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  Speaker 1: Because we're watching the edited version. We did not have
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  Speaker 1: to suffer. Yeah. Through the entire four hour lunch.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like if you had been on that reunion couch,
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  Speaker 4: you would have just gotten up and gone, oh, for
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  Speaker 4: God's sake, I can't listen to this anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think people, I just always thought
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  Speaker 1: they were being so impatient when the book reads like that.
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  Speaker 1: Like when she goes to meet PK, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to get exciting. You know, the basic
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  Speaker 1: love of your life. How'd you guys meet? Well, they
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  Speaker 1: met at a restaurant bar club thing. She and her
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend were waiting to get, were at the bar sitting there. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, these guys came behind and was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we'll buy you a drink if you can get us one.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And one was PK. That's the story. This is how
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  Speaker 1: the story gets told. Oh, Jesus. All right. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I was meeting a businessman for a meeting who I'd
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  Speaker 1: done many things with in the fashion industry. And we
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  Speaker 1: were going to a beautiful restaurant. I'm just making up names.
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  Speaker 1: Le Blah Blah. And Le Blah Blah has rich woods
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  Speaker 1: and is known for their steak or something. Right. Then
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  Speaker 1: he said, my cousin is in town. Do you mind
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  Speaker 1: if he joins us? So I'm like, oh, that's how
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  Speaker 1: she met PK. PK's the cousin. Then it's like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: And then I said, um. We'll all bring my girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: And afterwards, we had a great meeting. A lot was had.
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  Speaker 1: A lot was said. And then I said, now that
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  Speaker 1: the meeting is done, why don't you, my girlfriend, and
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  Speaker 1: I go to this other club? And it was still
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  Speaker 1: early enough to get it. Anyway, that's when she finally
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  Speaker 1: meets him. So I'm just like, there's just things like that. Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: That I feel like there was a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: like when you had to write an essay and the
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  Speaker 1: computer said, you got to get another you know.
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  Speaker 4: Oh right right right right yeah like a word count
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  Speaker 4: gotta get the word count.
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  Speaker 1: Up a little bit well it does when you know
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  Speaker 1: somebody and you know their whole life and you watch
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  Speaker 1: them for 10 years it's still a fun read like.
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  Speaker 4: It's how many how many pages it's still okay um
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  Speaker 4: lots of pictures uh you.
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  Speaker 1: Know like 20 like 10 pages of pictures um 233
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: and you know a lot of it is just like
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: That question isn't an accusation. It's clarity. When you're walking
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: through divorce, you don't have the luxury of tolerating uncertainty
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: in your inner circle. It's constantly like her explaining and
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: reiterating what it's like to be having conversations on camera
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: and then reliving it and then trying to explain where
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: you're coming from and feeling betrayed by the friendships and
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: wondering if they're doing it to save their own job.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: She kind of insinuated with the... Okay, so what does
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: she say about Kyle? I mean, just that.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Or does she say, like, one housewife plays the game
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: better than the rest?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Not really. Like.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Your home changes over time. The kitchen gets louder, the
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: mornings get busier, and suddenly you're wondering, is it time
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• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved? He said,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I have a work dad.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I need a home dad.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: What happens next?
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: When I came in, he started crying.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: happens next.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: not going to pull punches. You can use your voice
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: even if it's shaped.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: So then Amanda, who she did– that she didn't click with, really. Right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: But Amanda was on Vile Files and, you know, was
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: there with her husband. And we still don't know who's
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: coming back. And– oh, but I will say before I forget,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Andy had Dorit on and somebody– you know, he opens
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: up the cards where who knows if anybody– you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Melissa from Brown Nose, Nebraska really wrote this. And he's like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Melissa from Brown Nose, Nebraska asked, are you and Kyle
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: going to be able to mend your friendship? And then he,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: before she can answer, he goes, I think you should
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: just leave it. Oh yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Okay. And I was like, we all know if you're
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: going to stay on the show, you better stay friends. Right.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: As much as you want to say, I never want
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to talk to that bitch again. And if you weren't
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: on TV, guess what? You wouldn't. And you wouldn't see
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: them in your neighborhood. And maybe you'd see them at
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a funeral or a wedding, but you'd avoid that bitch. Okay?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't go... But he said that. And she's like, no,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I think there's, you know, a long history. We've been
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: friends for 10 years. I would be hoping that we
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: could get to a better place. Oh, my God. Just
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: explaining this to me, my head hurts. And I'm like, yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, she really cannot lose this job. The house
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: is going up if it hasn't already. No, but she
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: has said, even if she lost the job, she makes
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: enough money. She has said that. Okay, but. I'm not
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: saying she lives on planet Earth. I'm just saying that's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: what she says. She doesn't. She's not a plastic surgeon.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's not like she has
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon. She's got 2,000 40-year-old clients that are
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: going to need work for the next 20 years and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: aren't going to leave you. Do you think there's a.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Possibility that she ends up moving into an apartment in
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Reseda and has to wear clothing from Kohl's?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Never. So she'll just meet somebody rich. She, first of all,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's gotten herself out there and she
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: better start.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Better start trying to meet somebody. Or if she doesn't,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: she can make it work. She is a famous person.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: She has a huge Instagram following. She's just going to
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: really like have to hustle. She's going to have to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: find some products or something that she can like really push. Okay.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: In the fashion world. Okay. That plant.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I want you to imitate Dorit. doing some sort of
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: event where she has to sell like the product.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead. Everybody always asks me, Dorit, how do
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you keep such beautiful items around your house that look real?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And that is why I have teamed up with Plants
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Be Me. Plants Be Me looks so real. That people
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: absolutely walk over with a watering can and I go, no, no, no,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it's fake, mind you. No need to water it. And
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that's why I want to share with all of you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that Plants Be Mine is something that, it's really more
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of a spirituality, mind you. It keeps you going. It
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: keeps you thinking. I wake up in the morning and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I see Phoenix and Jaguar and I look over to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the plant and I said, where one seed can grow...
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: A fake one can live forever. And it's not bad
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to have fake. There's plenty of real outside. But what's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: inside can live as you grow spiritually. Your plant doesn't
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: have to grow. You don't have to trim it because
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it's not real in the sense that it could die. Oh,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: my God. That's what it is. But please, plans be mine,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: call her, because I don't know where she's going to go.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: She's going from like a 6,000 square foot home to whatever.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, but now I want you to imitate her on
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: a date. So she's out on a date. The guy
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: doesn't know anything about her, but do her on like a, like,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: tell me a little bit about yourself.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I had a very problematic relationship. marriage, excuse me,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: mind you, with my ex. And he was English. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he would put it in a way, quite honestly, I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: realize now I've been gaslit by a narcissist.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: What?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yes. And, you know, now it's time for me. I
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: always put everyone before me. You know, and as I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: was shopping and accumulating a million dollars in a four-month
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: shopping spirit, that was for them to feel proud about
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: my Prada outfit. It wasn't about me. And that's what
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: my family doesn't get, or anyone around me, mind you,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: or my inner circle or my dear friends that I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: thought would support me. Excuse me, I will have a vodka...
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: On ice, short glass, three lemons, carcass out. Thank you, baby.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: He had an alcohol problem and I do not. You'll
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: see that I'll have one, maybe two, providing how long
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: we enjoy this time together. And anyway, so I was.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Do you think the guy asked her out for a
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: second date?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: She's so beautiful. She looks great. She's very sweet in person.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I have hope. Yeah. I'm nervous about that Andy Cohen comment.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: That's pretty telling to me. Because it makes me think
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that the rumors are true. Yeah. That maybe she wouldn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: come back. And really the reason why is what I've
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: always said is that when you've been on so long,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the way the contract works is they really make a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: lot of money.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: They're making over a million. And just like they take
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a salesman and cut his, you know, area in half
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever, or tell a CEO to leave. So, and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: then if you have the reason, this is if she
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: takes a pause break, it will be presented to her as,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you know what, three, the book's doing amazing. You look great.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: going through this time and I just feel like in
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a year and a half it'll be better it'll be
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: better you'll you'll have your maybe you'll be dating someone
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that we'd love to see and you know this is
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: my bad Andy impression but I don't even it wouldn't
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: even be Andy that makes the call it'd be Alex
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: or someone else but you know and and just get
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: through this part settle it up get a good place
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: with PK maybe he can come back on the show
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and we'd pay him if he needs the money your
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: kids will be older And, you know, and just the meantime, like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: just get your stuff settled. You don't want to, we don't,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you don't want the world seeing you having to struggle
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and move and fight with your, it's not going to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: behoove you to do that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: So we're going to put you on pause. Mm-hmm. And then,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and then they'll get her on traders. They'll be like,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: here's a little nugget.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Because it's all peacock. And you can be on traders. Gee,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they would take her. All right. Well,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that's my prediction. But I'm not... I find her interesting
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to watch. I don't want her to leave. You know
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: what show I want her on?
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: What?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Special Forces. Oh, my God. That would be... That is... Please, please, Dorit,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: if you get asked to do this, this will make
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the world fall in love with you. Yes. This is
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Goldie Hawn in Private Benjamin. Yep. 100%. And I think
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they've tried to do that with a Teresa or whatever.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Teresa's cleaning everyone's toilets. That girl is an Italian firstborn daughter.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: She didn't give us that. Dorit will give us this. Mm-hmm. Oh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I want to see her on the backpack. And then
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: she has to go on the tightrope.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: And then they're screaming at her. Remember, they take, like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: the bags off the heads?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then she can't wear makeup.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: That might be an issue. But then people would like
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: her more, I think.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That would be the thing. Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: But you got to stay long in order to really
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: get the benefit. No, you don't. Tara Reid lasted one day.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. And then she got
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to go on a media tour. Don't ask me. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: know I'm not at the level, but. I would do it. Okay, good.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I don't. That's scary-ish. Okay, you know what? But you
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: have to go so far, too.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Like, let's just go to, like, Bakersfield and do it. Like,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want to travel so far. You could actually
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: duplicate it in Bakersfield. I know. Why do we have
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to go? Why do we have to go? Why would
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you go so far?
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: Anyway, why don't we do a spinoff called The Forces
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: of Special People and we go to Bakersfield and we
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: just do like one day and it's like one of
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: those mud runs or something.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Remember when everyone had to do mud runs?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Why doesn't anyone do mud runs anymore on reality shows?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Those were the yesteryears.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: First, there was a stripper pole. Axe throwing. Then there
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: was mud runs. Then there was escape rooms and axe throwing.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, now roll out your cellulite. They did that in OC, right?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Roll out the cellulite. What's the latest thing? Just peptides. Well,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, I feel like. Peptides tour. Peptides tour.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: What do they do in Salt Lake?
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Remember they like did a hike or something. Oh no,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: they went ice fishing and then they got in a
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: bucket of water or something.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We've done the ice dips. Going in
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the ice thing and then they realize that's not even
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: good for a woman's body. Oh, by the way, are
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: we over that yet? Are people still doing that? The
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: cold plunges? Well, they've discovered... Oh, no, the new thing
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: is saunas. No, but they've discovered... Thank God I never did...
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: There's nothing that makes me happier than a kind of...
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: were exercise or something where I didn't jump on it
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and then they realized it really wasn't that great for
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you anyway. Spinning, I believe, is never that great. People
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: said they never lost any weight and just lost their mind.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Because your legs get really muscular. And the ice bath
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever you call it, cold plunge, is allegedly not
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: great for female bodies. Probably not. It's better for men
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and inflammation from sports, but for women it's not good.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And the saunas are good. which is totally fine with
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: me I like to sit in a warm sauna.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: But remember I was trying to get you to get
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: the weighted vest did you ever buy that I.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Did get the weighted vest and then I read yeah
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it could hurt your knees.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: No because I asked David Pollack who played in the
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: NFL should I do it and he's super fit and
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: he said oh yeah it's great.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: All right I still have it okay um And I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: still feel like it's a little bit better. But everyone
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: says really what you should do is definitely walk, but
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: also lift heavy weights. Well, of course. And lift heavier
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: than you ever thought you could. Yes, yes, yes. And
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that's the best thing to do for people my age. Anyway, Dorit,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: we hope that you come back. Okay, so then Amanda said,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I thought about maybe I would buy Dorit's house. But,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: you know, it's, it's so modern and I can't remember
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the word she said, like basic. And you need to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: do renovations. Yeah. And we'd have to do renovations. And
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: if we, you know, in order to make a profit
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and I, so I'm like, not only did you bag
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: on her for this house, that's only like six years old,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: new build, which many people would still love to have.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: It's open. It's clean. It's new. It's pretty. Then you,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Bagged on it that you would have to renovate it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So anyone that was even thinking about it needs to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: also think, oh, this look is now out. Yeah. Also, then,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you know, let's remind the world that they were robbed
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: at gunpoint. So that's not great for a location. Wait,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I think I have an idea. Yes. She should also
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: go on special forces.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: And I just want you to picture her with the, like,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: she's never fully committed to the sleeves of a jacket.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: And she's in the interrogation room with the jacket.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: But those two, on special forces. She does a folding leg. Oh, yes,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: she does. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And she'll just like, okay,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: you can ask me something. I've never done Amanda really before.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: So let me see if I can do her. Okay.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Wait, by the way, if she's on special forces and
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: they're screaming at her, she still has to talk about
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: her manifesting business.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Of course. Let's go to that moment. Okay. Tell us
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: about your manifesting business. I'm the money queen. People come
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to me for that. Some people can think it's not real,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: but my results show it. With my retention rate and
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the people that come back for more, they realize that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I am there to just guide them to their potential
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of making money. Why not write and say, if money
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: was not an issue, what would you have? And visualize
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it and write it down and say it. And thousands
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: of people don't lie. That's why they keep coming back.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And that's why I wrote my latest book, Godly as Fuck,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: because God is an aspiration as well. And you might
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: as well go for the number one person in the world.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And that's God. And then I'm after that. So then
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: those two.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Former like armies or CIA agents are just sitting there like, what?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: What? That to me is good TV. That will be
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: so good. I wish it just, I think it should
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: just be all housewives. I know they like to mix
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it with randoms, but.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I would like to throw in like a Joey McIntyre
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: from New Kids on the Block with Dorit and with
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Amanda Francis on Special Forces.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I know they like to always mix like. Yeah, mix
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: them up. Mix them up because then there's always some
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: weird like friendship or alliance. Yeah. Like Amanda will become
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: best friends with a rapper or something. Yeah, absolutely. Um,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: all good. Okay. Summer house. I know we've talked a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: lot about it, but I always like to get, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: now there's been two, um, episodes of the reunion. We
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: have one more left. We don't really know what that's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: going to entail. We've covered a lot of it. Some
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: people online, you know, people are saying, um, Okay, maybe
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they've yelled and beaten her down enough. She's clearly on
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like a beta blocker and people might say, what's a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: beta blocker? I heard about beta blockers years ago that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I'd get so nervous for auditions and someone said, have
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you ever, and an acting teacher said, have you ever
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: thought of a beta blocker? Whatever. Okay. And so there's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: that type of thing. There's other stuff, whatever. They seem
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: overly calm. And then, you know. Calm? They were born.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: She looks like.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I said she looks like Carol Ann looking into the
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: light in Poltergeist.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: She's like this. Yeah. You can't do that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: You're on a reality show reunion. It's like this is
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the hot seat.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It's boring. I just don't. Listen, I watch the show
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: on and off. I don't really know who Amanda is.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: What was her life in high school? Why? Why? Was she,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you know, did she stay with Kyle to, the thing is,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: once this is your whole life, it's like Scientology. Right.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Everybody you're friends with is a Scientologist. Your businesses are
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: involved in Scientology. Mm-hmm. You're, you know, so this is
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: even a bigger thing because you're married, so that's always
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: a huge thing no matter if you're famous or not.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And you basically have a business together. Mm-hmm. Which is
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the TV show, The Summer House. Yeah. And that's where
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you know everybody. And it's the only job you've had
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: for 10 years. And you know it and you know
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the routine and you know this is when we start this,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you know, month before summer. We meet with everybody. We
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: find the house. We find other people. I don't know. Like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I think... I'm going to best explain her this way.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: She was the girl....
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: In elementary school, who was always outside on the playground crying.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: And there were a bunch of girls around her. That's
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: who she is. She has zero personality. She's a romantic climber.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: So every person she's with, she takes on their personality
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: and hides behind them. And that gives her access to opportunities.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: And she saw this as an opportunity to date Kyle
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: and to be on this TV show. Like he clearly
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: didn't want to be with anybody. He was like a cad.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: And she's like this dopey girl that shows up like
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: the first season that she's on the show, like clearly
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: just want to be on the TV show. And also
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: the last reunion, they basically admitted they have never had
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: sex in their marriage. They've been married for four years.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: So that's a partnership.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That is crazy. Crazy. So do they even have it
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: on their wedding night? I don't think so. So they
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: were not having it before then? No. No. And so
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: then they did it for the show. Did it for
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the show, yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: That's also like your whole life is for the show.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: I'd also like Kyle to be called out on that. Like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: why are you perpetuating this story every season? Like, oh,
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: we're trying to make our marriage work. You're not married.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You're just like business partners. Right. I also think that,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you know, how many couples have we heard that are
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: married and said, we were friends first? Yeah. So if
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I'm playing a little bit of a devil's advocate... of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Amanda and West. It's not insane to think that at
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: one time you were platonic friends until you weren't. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I've talked about the proximity and work friends and neighbors
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff where people get together
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and screw and then sometimes they do end up together. Yeah.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And there is some criticism for Sierra that's like, we
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: understand that you're angry with With Amanda and everything, because
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: she was clearly being deceptive and ended up with him.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And it's paid off for her. You know, she's now
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the Ariana from Vanderpump. But also people like, OK, this
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: was so she and West never slept together either. I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: think I think they definitely did. Definitely. Definitely. What is
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: this talk of, like, we were just making out friends
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and I'd spend the night? I think they've definitely slept together.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I still think as someone who loves to make out
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and dry hump and did for a long time, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: still think you could have very, very deep feelings and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: be obsessed with someone that you just kissed. Like, I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: get that part.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: No, I think they definitely, like, she went to visit
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: his family. Like, you're not going to do that unless
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: you're sleeping with somebody. I think what the issue at hand,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: why people get so fired up, is imagine you have
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: a friend and you're sharing all the details of the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: person that you're into or sleeping with. So all the
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: little nuances, it's like she gave her a playbook almost.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: And then to find, so like all the information, she
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: did the work and then she gets the benefit of it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Like Amanda, I think that's the part where it's like, ew,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: this is so creepy and weird.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Like if you were like, Kate, oh my God, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: love Kevin. Like I'm so into Kevin. We've been hooking up. Okay,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: so when I go over to his place, this is
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: the kind of thing he does. And oh my God,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I love it when he does that. And then I
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: met his mom and then she's like this. And you
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: have to meet his friend.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it does depend. And then I start sleeping with Kevin.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: You'd be like, Kate, what the fuck is going on?
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And also like some girlfriends with each other are very graphic. Totally.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: About the sex they have with somebody. But others are not.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious, was Sierra graphic about why she liked
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: hooking up with West? Yeah. And did she share that?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: That would also really add to the deception. Totally. If
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it was just like, oh my God, I don't know
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: if this guy's into me or not. Like he's such
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a game plan. Like if it was just that, I'd
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, you still have every right to be
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: mad for sure.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: So then- But wait a minute, add to that, the
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: person that's involved, Amanda, is married. So sometimes with married people,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: with single people, it's like- Well, I know that back
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: in my day when I was single, like she's like
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: this higher level person, like, oh, you crazy kids. The
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: dating world just seems crazy these days.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And meanwhile, she's sleeping with him. Also, she's like 32.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: or something so now the clock is ticking too so
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you're kind of like I gotta jump you know shit
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: or get off the pot like I gotta like break
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: up with this guy and yeah I just think I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: think he's the first guy that she's kissed really kissed
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: totally and gotten together with since before she was married
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: if she never got together with her husband. And to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: be that young and to be that hot and be
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: on TV and having people think you're hot and know
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you're hot and not being able to explore any kind
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of sexuality for years. The first time someone touches you,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it might have been like an electric moment.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Every season it was like, wow, they seem like they're
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: in a miserable marriage. And then I felt bad for
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: the other people in the house. Like, who wants to
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: go to a share house with like a miserable married couple?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: The fighting couple.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: And then you find out they haven't even had sex
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: in all these years. Like, I would be so mad
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: if I lived in that house. Like, oh, my God,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: this is ridiculous.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Now, Kyle was filmed because I saw it. Doing his
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: DJ thing, and this girl was ahead of him, in
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: front of him, and he leaned over, and it was
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a romantic kiss. I mean, he must be loving life.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: She could be a fan, though. She could be a fan.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because apparently he's dating the other girl from...
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Southern Charm, Sally. Is she the DJ? Is that someone else? No,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: she's like, she was... Oh, the blonde girl. She's very cute. Now,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: on The City, which is a spinoff, This scene was
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a big deal. So they went in October of 25.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: They're filming the city. Summer's over. She is finding her
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: own place separate from Kyle. Amanda goes and meets Sierra
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and West and is like, oh, my God. Now you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: guys are friends again. I have my two great friends here.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: And then the producer in a convention confessional goes now.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It's May 5th. Can we ask you at that time,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: were you feeling anything romantic for West? And she says no. Yeah, right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: We may never know the truth. Yeah. But if she
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: writes Unburdened 2 by Amanda Batula, fucking tell us. Tell, tell, tell, tell.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Tell us. And actually don't write it unless you are
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: lying to us right now and we can hear the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: truth and we can hear how it happened. She's going
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to strike the iron while it's hot. This is what
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I talked about for Rachel Raquel. I remember we did
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: say that too. And have your podcast be about her.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: mistresses and other women's and affairs and everything. People love,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the reason this is such a big deal, it's one
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: of my favorite genre of television and film, is cheating
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and infidelity, killing one spouse for their insurance money, all
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: of it. It's like, so whether you end up with
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: West or not, I don't know if you're a writer,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you could be a podcaster because
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: what we've seen is, I don't think a booming personality,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: but maybe doesn't mean, you know, everyone has a podcast.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: You can have one too. And- and see where it's at.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe she needs to go to Special Forces too. People,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: the good people from Fox, we've just cast your show.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. You're welcome. Now, you had some theories about Wes.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Do you think he wants off the show?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, I think he wants off. I think he wants off.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: If he's not fired, I don't know. Okay, so scandal
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: happens in March.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Reunion doesn't air till May. They are told, don't talk.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Of course, because I've had experiences trying to interview these
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: reality stars for many years.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Trust me.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: They do not want them to talk until after the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: reunion airs because they want to save everything for their reunion.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: They're getting so much attention. So they're telling them, save
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: it for afterwards. So that's a two-month span. Meanwhile, they're
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: getting a deluge of hate DMs. He's gone up 40,000 followers.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I think he's like.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I want to control my own life. And he has
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: a podcast. He has said a little bit. I'm sure
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that they were not happy about that because they want
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: to keep him to keep it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: For the reunion.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: The TMZ photos seem to be planted by somebody in
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: his camp or their camp.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: What TMZ photos? They were like... Oh, in Italy, you mean? No,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: way before that, like to confirm that they were actually dating. Oh.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: They were at the movie theater or out on the street.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, somebody is working behind the scenes to make sure.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: And also that Amanda was doing the breadcrumbing. I didn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: understand what that meant at first. Where she was hinting
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: and letting... So that's kind of diabolical.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Diabolical. That he wanted... Fans to figure it out. Yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And you got off on that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: She's getting the thrill out of it. You get a
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: thrill out of it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: She thinks she's Taylor Swift. And, you know, I heard
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: from a Juicy Scooper who wrote me who said I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: was the girl that slept with friends, boyfriends, and things.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And on vacation, we were all on vacation together. I
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: would sneak around. Oh, my God. And secret stuff. And
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: if she, it's extremely thrilling to be in a deceptive, thing.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It's like adds to the sexuality of it. She's better now.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: She realizes she did it wrong. She feels terrible, but
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's like any kind of addiction, love, love and, um,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: love addiction, love and sex addiction. I mean, it is
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: something like that. Now an affair can be one thing.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And if you end up together for the rest of
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: your life and that, that just, that can happen, you know, it,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it's unusual, but it does happen. I mean, you know, people,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: their husband leaves them for the girlfriend and then they're
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: together for the next 30 years. And it, you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: but this is just a mess.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And when I think about Rachel Raquel, I remember she
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: said something to the effect about like, I, at that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: point when it all got exposed, Tom was my only friend.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: In this weird circle. No one else would talk to me.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: So then even then I felt like I had to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: follow the rules a little bit more of what we're saying,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: what we're doing as it was unfolding. And then she
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: got away and is out of it and better now.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: But and doing sound baths.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: He works in like in the sports world. Like he
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: wants I think he wants off this train. I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: he looks at Paige and he's like, I don't want
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: to be. one of the cast members that's on the
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: show way too long. I want a page life where
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: I can build other opportunities.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And I just think he's so, I feel like, I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: don't want middle-aged women to be like in my DMs
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: all the time. But this is the thing though. He
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: really has become so unlikable. I don't know what, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what guys are going to be like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: you know, he's not, he's not Travis Kelsey who can like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: get you a Super Bowl. Like, he's just some dude
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: that is in, you know, ill-fitting clothes and bites his fingernails. Like,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: who cares? I don't know. I mean, I think he
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: was one of those things like, oh, who's this sad sack?
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Who's this ugly piece of shit? Oh, he's kind of
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a teddy bear. Oh, he's kind of sweet. All right, Sierra,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I'll lower my standards and be with this, like, loser
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: who's pining for me. And so I'm just saying, like, he's...
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: What now? What now? Because... He really, now other people
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: would think he did hook himself to Amanda because her
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: star was rising as the scorned woman who left the asshole.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Her score was rising. Then with him, it went down
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: along with his. But I do think people forgive them.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: People have never really cared about Amanda that much. I mean,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: they're not, you know, Lucy and Desi Arnaz. It's not like,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: oh my God, these two are going to have their
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: own show and they're just such funny delights. I don't know. Maybe,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: maybe it could be, but we'll see. I said before,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the only way to save this is to have a baby. Yeah.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And stay together forever and just, and then just put
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: your baby on TV and hope that they bring in
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the checks.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: That would be a good made for TV movie. The
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: couple that has the baby just to like get out
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: of a scandal and then they're stuck with each other.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: With the baby. Well, I mean, it's also like who
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: else in the world but West and Amanda understand what
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: they're in. They're not only in a friend scandal. Anybody
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: else that that this happened in a friend group that
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: isn't being televised would just the friendship would break up.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: They'd leave the country club. They'd move out of the neighborhood. Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that's it. You wouldn't fuck with them anymore. You'd forget
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: about them. You'd run into them at Target three years
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: later and it'd be awkward. And then you'd see their
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: little three year old baby and you'd be like, well,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: say hi to West for me. Then you get in
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the parking lot. You're like, Sierra, it's Mia. Yes. Guess
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: who the fuck I ran into. Exactly. Actually, bitch still
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: is skinny. Shut the fuck up. Yes, she is. Well, whatever.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: But the kid has West's face. Put a mustache on him.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even look like her. So you can be
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: happy about that. You know, and then like, that's it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: That's the end of it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Isn't that the great enjoyment of your life? Is the
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: call that you make from the parking lot when you
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: run into somebody from yesteryear coming?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That's good. You're never going to believe who I ran into.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And then like going through every detail. Don't leave anything out. Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: You're a little shaky.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: You're like 9-1-1. Yeah. Call me. Ran into blah, blah, blah.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: You need to do it on a phone. Yeah. So good. Well,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I watched the J-Lo movie. Not
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. I started it. I, with Chris Frangiolla,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: had predicted what the storyline was. Were you close? No. Oh, wow.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I'm proud to say and humbled to say I was wrong. Wow. Okay.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So the story is she is the boss. Okay. And-
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: name of the movie again? It's called Office Romance because
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: they wanted you to figure it out. I mean, could you...
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is that a new thing? The creative geniuses.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: They have to say they have to come up with
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: really basic stuff and they have to like reiterate the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: storyline because everyone's scrolling all the time. Maybe. Oh, you
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: know what?
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I think that's probably true. I think Matt Damon did
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: say something like you have to dumb scripts down.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: You have to dumb scripts. So it's like, so she
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: runs an airline. Okay. But she's a Nepo baby because
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: her dad was also a pilot. She's a pilot and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: they run like a small airline. Oh. Like, let's say
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: it's like, what, not Southwest, but whatever. Pioneer Airlines. Pioneer.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: It's not like a Jet Suites, whatever. And, but she's a,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: you know, but she's a hard ass. Everyone in the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: office is scared of her. Which is probably very true
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to her life. Which is a variety of people. There's
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: a girl in a wheelchair that's, you know, running away
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: from her and trying to scare her, you know, like
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: whatever the case is. All right. And she. That must
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: have been a real stretch for her. To play a
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: character like that. And so, you know, the day starts
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: and everyone's bustling around Sun Cruise Airlines and everyone's dressed
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: to the nines. And I just want to say, ask
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: somebody who has not worked in an office for 14 years.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: And when I did, it was very casual attire because
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: it was a TV show. Are people actually going to
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: an office and getting dressed up like that and all
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: arriving at the same time?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: No.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Anymore? Isn't that like a 20-year-old thing? Yeah. And so
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: then she's acting like Miranda in Devil Wears Prada. The
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: wizards in Hollywood didn't even think about that. Okay. And
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: so then she walks in and this is my inspiration
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: because I'm wearing white today. Of course, she's wearing all white.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Pants and a long white coat and a white vest. And,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's like, hello, Miss Jones, whatever her name is.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: And they're all scared. And, you know, and and then
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: he is the lawyer on her case. And it's kind
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: of a weird story. She's being sued. Are they supposed
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: to fall in love? She's being sued by another airline
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: saying that This one airport had a couple extra gates
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: available for a new airline to come into. Okay. And
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: they had already promised these gates to United and Delta
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and something else. But then she had dinner with the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: airport guy and suddenly the next day he switched it
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: and opened it up to Sun Cruise Airs. Okay. So
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: this other guy is accusing her of either paying this airline,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: this airport guy, or screwing him. It's a very weird storyline,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: kind of. And then he literally has a boner for her.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: He cannot... He can't handle himself. He saw her in
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: her glowy white dress, and at first she was really mean.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: She says fuck a lot, by the way, a lot
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of bad language, which I was kind of surprised by.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: And then he, like, goes to shake her hand, and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: she's like, what the hell? Fuck, dude. And he has, like,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: a big boner, like, coming through his black pants.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: What?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And he's the hired attorney? He's the general counsel?
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: And he's English.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And I guess he's a stand-up comic, too. named Matt Goldstein. Okay.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: And then he goes to visit his sister in prison,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: who's in such a bad prison situation that she's handcuffed
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: to the table. She can't even have a conversation with
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: her brother slash lawyer.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: What?
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: And the first thing she's concerned with is not They
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: don't tell us what the crime is at this point.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I would think it would be murder. I don't think
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: it's like writing a fraudulent check. She's English, too, but
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: she's in a prison in whatever, America. Is she in
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: a jumpsuit or has nice clothes on? No, she's in
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: an orange jumpsuit. And she's like, her first question is,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you haven't gotten laid in four years. You better be dating.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And of course, J-Lo's assistant, who's extremely pregnant, who got inseminated,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't care to be with her baby once it's born.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: She's like, J-Lo, the minute I have this baby, I'm
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: leaving it with the nannies and I'm coming back to
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: work for you at Sun Cruise. And... And so everyone's
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: scared of the pregnant assistant because she's like a bitch, too.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: So every man in the office is, like, terrified of
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: these women. That's, like, the flip of the roof. Oh,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: we've got to know who wrote this. And then he,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: you know, they have it. And she's attracted to him, too.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: So they have this weird attraction going. She's attracted to
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: her general counsel.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Okay. Because she saw the boner and she had been
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: single for a long, too. And, of course, her assistant
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: is like... your life is non-existent. It's business and business,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: not business and a love life. By the way, no
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: assistant gives two shits about their boss's private life. Nobody does.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Nobody.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And also his assistant is like, you know, how's your
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: private life going?
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: I'm really worried about your private life, which is by
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: the way, like borderline an HR issue.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I'm literally like, is this the only office in America
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: that makes people go in five days a week? Cause
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I thought everybody just works from home. Like, and it
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: was like running around. And also like, Is there mail
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: rooms even exist anymore? No. Like, so pushing the mail around?
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: How many people are getting mail items, like literal mail
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: items on their desk anymore? I need to find out
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: who wrote this. Her outfits are gorgeous. She's got a
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: lot of extra hair pinned into her head that look nice.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: You know. Is the father alive? Her father is.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. Who's the James Earl? He's like he's
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: like that that Mexican actor that has James Earl Jones.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: No.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Who has bad word. Almost.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: That that I believe is from Stand By Me or.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But anyway, he comes in with a long...
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Stand and deliver? He comes down with a long gray
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: ponytail and like a leather bomber jacket and shows up
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: to the board meeting and he's like, hey, Gordita or
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: whatever he calls her. Gordita? He called her a fat ass? No,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: maybe that's... I don't think he's fat ass. He calls
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: her some little like nickname and everybody's scared at the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: meeting because he is the owner of the whole line
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: which is I mean, he's worked in corporate America, but
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he looks like he's ready to jump on a Harley. Okay,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: got it. And then, you know, but he's an airline
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: pilot who then built this big corporation and gave it
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: to his daughter, which everyone's like, oh, the daughter. Well,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the daughter's 55. I know she looks 45, but the
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: daughter's 55. Yes. So it's like, it's hardly like Paris
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Hilton's running the airline. Who's taking a risk on this
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: young starlet?
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: But like this woman, yeah. And so then anyway, that's
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: how far I got. Are you going to watch the rest?
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: People said the birth scene is either funny or weird
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: or something when the girl gives birth to the baby
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that she and somebody are.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: So.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: I do think it's weird all movies the way that
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: they reenact like birth. Like a man has to write them.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: It's so bizarre.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: It's always a birth scene. And it's always like has
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to be. And it's like. And sweating. And it's always
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: like that. And like.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: And listen, and the husband's always down there. Let me
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: tell you where my husband was when I gave birth.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: He's in the corner on his laptop working and I
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: have a bunch of friends there and we're laughing.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: People have funny birth stories and I believe everyone has.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Everyone has a birth story. You either came out of
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: one or you gave one.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Every woman has some type of birth story.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Or the baby's like about to drop on the floor
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: and the doctor's like, you know, like football.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: And weird. Yeah. And yeah, it's always, it's just, yeah,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: it's always that. It's like, you know, let's have an
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: awkward date scene. Let's have a, you know, let's have
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: a montage of trying on outfits that don't work before
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the date. Oh my God. Yes. Let's do a treadmill
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: where you get distracted and run out of frame, roll
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: out of frame. Let's, Uh-huh. You know, trip and fall.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: And the assistant's always, like, has, like, three bags and
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: a paper and just trying to, like, gather everything and
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: chasing and, you know, after the boss. Yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Show the real assistant who's just, like, doing TikToks
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: in the corner. And like, she's like, excuse me.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Or the boss is making the assistant do TikTok. Like, no, okay,
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: now make it like a boss lady vibe.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: That's what's going on in corporate America. I don't know. Like,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I just really was like, just talk to me. If
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you really go to an office and also a 50-year-old
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: woman who's that hot and has run this business for
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: years and it's the same people she sees every day
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: at the office, is she really wearing uncomfortable heels 10
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: hours a day?
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: No.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe she goes to court maybe there's something but like
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: really yeah but that it's okay it's a movie okay
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: it's a movie it's supposed to take us out of
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: reality and we get to do it and i i
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: saw one clip where she's in a bikini.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: And a monochromatic look too i love them yes i
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: love it and i'm always like why don't i work for.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: What she they i i don't know i skipped ahead
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: they're like on the beach and he has good abs.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: And she's general counsel is with his client maybe they're
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: dating at this point i'm skipping forward but she's wearing
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: a string bikini triangle top her abs are ridiculous and
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: she's like with him.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: And she goes oh look at me i've got sand
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: on my butt and you know i'm such a mess
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: she has the best body ever and he goes i
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: wish i wish in the office could see the real you.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: The real you that's in a bikini with sand on
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: her asshole. Like, where's the HR department? What? I have
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: not finished it. So some of the things might get answered.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: It is the number one movie in America. So... Well,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: God bless for her. And we do love her dress.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I love that outfit. I love it. In this outfit,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: she's wearing all black and she looks fucking stunning. So good.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Good for her. Kris Jenner posted this video of where
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: it looks like she's at one of her mansions and
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: she's walking through and Ellen, someone's filming it. Some assistant
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: was told to have to film a prank that Ellen
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: did for 15 years.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: And Kris Jenner's walking down the hall and then Ellen
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: jumps out and scares her. And then she's like, you're
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: such an asshole. Why did you do that? And then
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Kris Jenner wrote, at Ellen DeGeneres, still at her shenanigans,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: it never gets old. And I want to say, yeah,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: it does. It does get old. It does get old.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: That's real old. It was really old and really lame.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: And if you want to do it, Ellen, for fun,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I would say don't film it. It's weird. Don't film
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: it because nobody liked it when you used to do it.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Why was Chris surprised if there's an assistant in front
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: of her filming her walking? Wouldn't she expect something's going
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: to happen?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you know.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: What I mean?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Listen, Chris is a great actress, too.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: This is the work that assistants in America are having
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: to do right now.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: They have to do a lot of TikToks and videos. Yeah. Anyway,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Ellen is obviously back.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Unless.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Is this a ship? Maybe this is
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a ship. Maybe they're on the Scientology ship? No, maybe
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: this is like the Jeff Bezos ship and they're all
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: on it. Or this could be her house in La Quinta.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But they're still great friends. And she
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: is back in America. Yeah. And... people but a lot
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: of comments were just i love your friendship we need
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: ellen back on tv i don't think so no certainly
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: not tv yeah but you know the pranks are still
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: happening michael jackson the verdict now listen even talking about
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: this show will create people writing nasty things in my
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: comment section on youtube and on the podcast However, it's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: a big deal. It's a show on Netflix. It came
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: out June 3rd. It's about the trial and that happened in,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: was it 2003? Yeah. He already had his three children.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I had to look up the timeline because there were
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: other accusations prior to that in which there was a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: 20 plus million payout. 23 million. 23 million. And that
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: person named Jordan was his name. He is since estranged
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: from his mother, and there's another YouTube or smaller documentary
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: where this girl is saying, I went to college with him,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: and he said this had never happened or whatever the case.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: So the fans of Michael Jackson truly believe that. He's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: always been innocent. They're the same people that saw him
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: spin on the top of the car with his umbrella.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: And they, and, you know, why is this coming out now?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Since he's had the biggest movie about his career, which
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: never touched on any of these accusations. And, you know,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: so you watch it and they go to the Michael,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: what's his name, Bashir? Martin Bashir. Martin Bashir. Martin Bashir. Bashir,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: who did the, incredible life with Michael Jackson where he
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: was up in the tree and saying all these things
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and then they interview Michael with this one kid named
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Gavin who was very sick with cancer somehow they were
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: able to get in touch with Michael Jackson and he
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: said we will make sure that he gets the best
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: care and he gets better and this family was living
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: in a one bedroom apartment then were very close to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: him and in this clip, it shows the boy putting
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: his head on Michael's shoulder and saying, um, you know,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: he said, you know, if you really love me, you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: have to sleep in the bed with me. And Michael's laughing.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: And he goes, so I slept in the bed with
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: him and everything. Now that was edited. So in my research,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: they said this, the whole clip says, um, I wanted
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to sleep in the bed with Michael, and Michael kept saying, no,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I'll sleep on the floor. And then he goes, well,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: then I'll sleep on the floor. And then Michael said,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: if you really love me, you'll sleep on the bed,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: and I'll sleep on the floor. Why are they even
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: in the same bedroom? Exactly. Exactly. And why after? Now,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: if you already got screwed over by this little, cute,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: kid that dressed like you and you took a fondness
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: from him and you took him on trips and you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: had him spin around everything. And that awful parent came
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to you and in order to get out of this mess,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you gave that family $ 23 million. After that, why wouldn't
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: anybody in their right mind go, I love kids. I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: love opening my house to Neverland. And I will do
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: that for sick kids, but I can never be alone
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: with them. And I can never, I don't want them
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: in the main house. I don't want them spending the night.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want to, just like, just like there was
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a time when women would be able to go to
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the gyno. And if it was a male doctor, he,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: it would just be you and the male doctor. Over time,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you got to have a nurse to protect you, to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: protect the doctor. Cub Scouts, you cannot be with a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: child that's not yours alone. Yep. At any moment, you're
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: going to bring another adult over to protect yourself. More
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: and more people are not having sleepovers to protect their
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: own kids, but also to protect themselves. Who's to say
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: that some kid's not going to spend the night and
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: come home and say, I woke up and the dad
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: of the house was, and then your life is fucking ruined.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: So I get it. This was still 20 years ago,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: but you already had one incident which you just gave
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: $ 20 million away. The other thought is, That he had
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: the catalog of the Beatles and Sony wanted it or something.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: And all this was orchestrated. It's like some conspiracy. To
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: screw him over from Sony. It is. But I mean,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: two things can be true. You know, you can be
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: a like freaking freak and be weirded, weird, look weird.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Be super into kids. Invite them to spend the night
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: with you. And maybe you never touched him. Maybe you
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: showed them dirty photos. Maybe you put on little twinkly
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: lights and drank milk, but you never touched him is
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: what he said. The other part is some of them
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: you did touch. Some of them you didn't. Maybe you
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: never touched Macaulay Culkin because he was a professional actor.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: I think it's really it's the most interesting part to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: me is just celebrity and trials and how jurors.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: They were starstruck for sure. And again, blaming the kid
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: that now you're changing your story and this isn't true.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: And I've never heard I heard the Breakfast Club talk
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: about it. And the one boy said in his first
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: initial telling what happened to him. to the detective which
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: looked very real to me um he said he used
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: the word that michael said i'll show you how to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: do it and then he like masturbated him and someone
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: in the brooks club was like i never heard a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: kid use that word before how many kids have you
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: heard talk about child abuse like how you know what
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: i mean like i get it i just think it's.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: Really hard for people to sometimes equate a celebrity with
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: doing something wrong.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Like, they can't accept it. It's just a very... You know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: the two... The Wade Robs... Robinson? Wade Robson. Robson and the... James.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Other guy that was leaving Neverland, that documentary from a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: few years ago, they do have a trial coming up.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: They are going to be... I did interview the producers
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: of that documentary. Like, years ago. Yeah. Listen, you know...
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I just don't think it's, you know, it's, I get
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: why when you hear all the things, okay, you know,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: these parents were not wealthy. They, you know, but also
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: he would seek out families that really needed help and care.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: And you, how many people have like, people thought their
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: daughter was going to be the next protege of R.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Kelly and shit like that. People can be bad parents
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't a strategic thing. You go make friends
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson. And then our plan is in a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: few years, we're going to say this happened. And it's,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: it's awful. I just don't understand why anyone around him
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: after that would be like, I don't care that you
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: like children. Well, maybe they did. You're not allowed to
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: like them anymore. Maybe they did, but he just didn't listen.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: People who have a lot of money, they kind of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: do what they want.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: It's just any adult, like, and then he had the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: three kids. So he was a single father with three
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: kids at home. And he was still spending all this
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: time with other kids that were not his. You don't
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: think that's weird?
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  Speaker 4: I think the best person to kind of ask about
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: at this point, I would love to interview or to
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: have somebody interview Paris Jackson.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: She, I mean, everybody in the Jackson family that's, you know,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: of course they believe their father. They also don't want
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: anything to sorry, upset their money and their protege and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: his books are selling, his music's doing better. The money
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: is totally flowing. And so they feel like every time
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: we get into a better place with the memory of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, Netflix has to go put on this piece
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: of shit, which makes you wonder if it's true or not,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: which someone goes, what is this dumb documentary? Well, I
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: think that's good. That's a fair assessment. How will we
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: ever really know? You know, how will we ever really know?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: But it's very weird.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: The point of this, too, was I think there is
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: an attempt for us to revisit a bunch of trials.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: And in this case, it was closed door. So it's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: similar to looking back at like a Menendez case, although
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: that was in front of cameras. But just looking through
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: a modern lens.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: The other part is they really would. And I think
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: we talked about this, too. everybody around him, whether it
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: was the housekeeper or this or that, would act like
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: he was a child himself and a vulnerable person. And
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Michael's so sweet and so nice, and he doesn't know
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: any better. And how could people trick him into thinking
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: that these- Well, you can't be two things at one time.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: You can't be like a genius in business, but then
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: be like a child at home. I think that those
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: are in conflict.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: With each other. I remember when I was writing with
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Keanu Reeves, he told me, That he hung out, this
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: is my memory, that he was hanging out with Michael
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Jackson one day and he spoke in a normal voice.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: He did not have that, hi, voice. He was like, oh,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: and like had a normal voice. Like just like as
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Paris Hilton has a normal voice. And so I don't
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: know if that little voice is because he wanted to
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: be childlike. Well, sometimes that voice. And he was so
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: obsessed with that.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Sometimes that voice is from somebody who was abused as
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: a child too.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Listen, we all can agree he was. you know, had
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: a hard, very hard child, childhood and all that. And
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: then I just feel like, you know, and I think
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: like at first we thought it was cute. Like he
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: would discover a kid that was dancing like him with
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: a hat. And he was like, this kid is the cutest.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: But then there were several kids like that. And they
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: were going on trips with him and you know, and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And then to the single mom
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: and that didn't have the money, they're like, oh my God,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: we're going on tour with Michael Jackson and he's so
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: sweet and so great. And then, but that, oh, and
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: the weirdest thing in it was there was this bag
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: of material that his former assistant, who also was a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: little kid that used to hang out with him, shared
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: that had these It was like an old fashioned magazine
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: where you could order from like overseas tapes of like
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: dads and sons bathing and things like that. And now
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: someone could say, who even knows if that's true? And
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: someone could have made that up and someone could have
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: taken that magazine and made that. I get all that.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it's a TV show. This is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: what's on. This is what people are talking about. People
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: are mad that we're talking about it. And, you know,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: but it is fast. I mean, it is a fascinating
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: story and how good the attorneys were and the conspiracies
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: around it. And, you know, the lessons that can be learned.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: His attorney was Alan Jackson, right? The guy with like
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the long gray hair. Yeah, right. Yeah.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: So and Brian, he had a publicist that represented Brian, right?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: I'm like going back in time. He would always go
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: on Larry King and talk on his behalf.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so many people and anybody could
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: say anything. There's a maid that came on in some
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: other interview I saw that, you know, in the comments
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, she, you know, went to the tabloids
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: instead of the police. And she was basically saying like, listen,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: I was an adult woman. I was scared to speak
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: up because this job was important to me. Now imagine
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: a young child that also he's saying, if you tell
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I'll never work again. I'll never be able to make
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: music again and your family will suffer. You know, so
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: just like anybody that's being molested by an adult, but
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: then to have that adult be the most beloved person
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: singer in the world that has given you so many
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: beautiful things and helped you get out of cancer, that
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: then if something nefarious happened after that, like anybody else,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: oftentimes you don't tell for a long time. So I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: hate all those comments. Why now? Well, whatever. And listen,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Netflix is here to make money. So this is a
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: good timely time to bring it out. Like I said,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: I think it is important to go back into all
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: these trials.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting. So this is another show. This is
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: from your thing. It says, your friend, Kate Casey, the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: new cult doc. This is the, what is it called?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: All the Beautiful People or something?
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: It's called Bring Me the Beauties, a model cult. It's
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: on HBO and Max. It's three episodes.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: And the net net is this guy with the parrot was.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: his name was Freddie Myers, but then he changed his
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: narrative to Frederick Von Mears.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: He was like from Brooklyn.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: And he would then later told people that he was
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: raised by some wealthy benefactor.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Like he completely rewrote his life, gets his, like weasels
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: his way into like eighties, like society.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: And he becomes everyone's astrologer. And then he becomes this
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: cult leader where all of these people would come to him.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: And because he said that he basically was 37 light
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: years ahead of them, ahead of all of us, because
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: he had been affected by Arcturon, which is like some star.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: It's like, I'm like, did you pick this from a
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: book or just make this up? And anyway, so they
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: all believe in him, and then he's selling astrology packages,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: but you have to give all your money over to him.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, all the other cult docs. Yeah,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: it's all the other cult docs. It's where, you know,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: we're one big happy family, but then you've got to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: tell on each other.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: And then you've got to all berate one person. First,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't let them have relationships and no one was
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: allowed to have sex. But then he would say, okay,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: you have to have sex with this person. So Hoyt,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: who I interviewed, who was like the most famous male
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: model in the 1980s, he said he wasn't allowed to
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: have a relationship. And then it would be like, okay,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: you have to have sex with this person. And he'd
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: be like, she's like my sister. Well, you have to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: have sex with her. And then they found out later
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: that he didn't want anybody to have sex. And then
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: he would tell them who to have sex with. And
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: then he is like sleeping with people. So, you know,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: it's like Keith Raniere, you know, you can't have anything
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: but like squash and almonds, but then he's eating junk food.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: It's like, they're always hypocrites. Yeah. It's, as well, I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: watched the first episode of it because I think it's
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: only one. Well, yeah, it comes out once a week.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to be honest, I don't know. But
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: he gets the hotties. Does he get better? Because I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't in love with this one.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: The second one, you learn more about like his banana, like,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: belief system and just the building of the cult. I mean,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: on paper, it sounds so asinine, but then you start
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: to realize that it was a slow burn.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: As someone who, you know, interviews a lot of documentarians
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of documentaries and I talk about them,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: but sometimes I'm like, in this one, the first episode,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, This is the only interview we ever
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: did was on this weird talk show. And we just
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: keep seeing it over and over again. I know, but
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: that's the scary thing.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: It's like Hoyt said, the problem was there was no
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: information on him. Now, like if there's a cult leader,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: you know, there's a guy in, you know, some country.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Who starts it. So since there was no information. This
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: was like the 80s.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: He just believes it because that's the narrative. So that
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: is the scary point is before social media.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: These videos were available. So they believed everything he said.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: So do you think that Being a cult leader, it's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: a difficult time economically for a cult leader.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: It's hard, especially if you're going to change your name.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: I think you're right. You just have to go be
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: a life coach, I think.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: I think so. And just get individual people and not
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: put them all in the same house. No. And not
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: get them tennis shoes and say they're going to go
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: to Heaven's Gate or anything like that. Remember when you
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: wore the shoes? I know. That really scared you. Today,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: you confluent in my shoes here. Yeah. These are Target, everybody.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: They're super cute. I'm going to get them. Okay. Hopefully
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: they're still there. You know, that's like the target. I'm
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: just like, I'll get there and then there's like a
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: drop and I'm like shaking. And then I'm like, do
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I go tell everybody or do I not go tell everybody?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: My daughter, my oldest, woke up one day at 5 a.m.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: to go to the Roberta Roller Target Drop. I was like,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: is it worth it? Like, I'm going to be honest,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: she brought the stuff home and I was like, not
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: worth it.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I think I got a bunch of the champion stuff
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: and I think it's adorable. Do you?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, good.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:18:41
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• 1:18:46
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• 1:18:48
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