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144. Happiness · Dennis Rox: Confessional Self-Improvement & Psychology

• 0:00
  Mike: On this week's episode.
• 0:01
  Mike: You shouldn't get excited about something that's potentially going to feel like a void in your life, that you feel like like, oh, this is going to make my life better, but not like from a place of positivity, but more of a place of a lack.
• 0:13
  Toliy: The person feels that their self-esteem and their character and everything that they're about is tied to those end things and not the journey of those things.
• 0:21
  Toliy: They want to be rich.
• 0:22
  Toliy: That's what they want.
• 0:25
  Eldar: So is this a hack?
• 0:26
  Eldar: Is this the answer to, let's just say, the age-old argument about what is happiness?
• 0:31
  Eldar: It's the journey that matters and not the actual destination.
• 0:44
  Eldar: Okay, so here's the question, then, for this week what are some personality traits or qualities that you need to have in order for for some opportunity that's going to come your way?
• 0:54
  Eldar: Uh, closely match, uh, your abilities to seize that opportunity.
• 1:00
  Toliy: Become successful well, well, yeah, but I I don't even view it as like an opportunity.
• 1:05
  Toliy: Comes your way, I think that you can create the opportunity and you could put yourself in that position, but creating it is not the hardest part.
• 1:21
  Toliy: The hardest part is being in the right position to be properly prepared and being able to capitalize on it.
• 1:30
  Eldar: Okay, so then, what are some of your suggestions around?
• 1:33
  Eldar: What kind of person should you be and what are some preparations that a person can get you know?
• 1:38
  Eldar: I mean working on to ensure that this, when it does happen, you're more closely to the truth and you know exactly what to do and how to do it.
• 1:46
  Toliy: well, um, the 100 percent, um, like for sure trait that you need is that you need your perception of what's going on to line up with the truth, with reality.
• 1:56
  Toliy: Yeah, that's for sure.
• 1:58
  Toliy: Okay, you know, otherwise you're going to be like, probably like most people.
• 2:01
  Toliy: You're going to be like, probably like most people, you're going to be completely off most times.
• 2:06
  Toliy: Can you give like an easy example?
• 2:08
  Toliy: Yeah, like someone gets excited about something, maybe financially, and they think that they're like around the block from being like a millionaire, you know, and they get crazy excited about it.
• 2:19
  Toliy: And then, like a week later, they're like oh, actually not, like there's actually way more to it.
• 2:24
  Toliy: For example, like that happens all.
• 2:25
  Toliy: They're like, oh, actually not like there's actually way more to it.
• 2:26
  Mike: For example, like that happens, all the time.
• 2:27
  Toliy: Yeah for sure, you know, yeah for sure.
• 2:29
  Toliy: Some people definitely strike it, you know.
• 2:32
  Toliy: But very small, very small.
• 2:33
  Toliy: I don't know if, like what percentage is just kind of like luck based or what, or like how many people actually doing like research and like putting in a bunch of time and maybe have tried and failed in different things and then finally got it on something else.
• 2:47
  Toliy: But yeah, that stuff happens all the time.
• 2:54
  Toliy: Maybe you're trying to get a job and someone gives you okay feedback and then you like okay feedback and then you take that okay feedback and you blow it up 10 X of what it actually is.
• 3:11
  Eldar: Yeah, but the blowing up part right, it's almost you're talking about.
• 3:14
  Eldar: Then the person's probably a little bit arrogant and prideful.
• 3:16
  Eldar: No, why are they blowing it up?
• 3:20
  Toliy: Well, they're blowing it up because that's their perception of it.
• 3:22
  Toliy: Right, but why do you have that specific perception?
• 3:25
  Toliy: Well, their meter as to what is going on is wrongly tuned, right, okay, so why?
• 3:31
  Eldar: would a meter be wrongly tuned?
• 3:33
  Eldar: Is it not tied closely to ignorance and probably arrogance?
• 3:36
  Toliy: Well, I don't know if it's tied to arrogance, but it might be accidental arrogance, Like you know.
• 3:44
  Toliy: I would love an example for that, but like it feels more like ignorance, right it's.
• 3:47
  Toliy: It's like um, oh, like let's say, um, well, I mean you are my boss.
• 3:53
  Toliy: But just for example, right, like like I'm working for you and you say like hey, you did a great job today, right.
• 3:59
  Toliy: And then, like I leave the workplace and then, like, talk to my friends, like yeah, like at Boston City you said I'm going to be his vice president soon.
• 4:08
  Eldar: Yeah, Right yeah.
• 4:10
  Toliy: So someone takes someone saying you did a great job today, and to them it's like oh, I'm about to get promoted, yeah, so it's just like how did that?
• 4:23
  Toliy: How did that like?
• 4:23
  Toliy: Is it like?
• 4:24
  Toliy: One person said one thing, another person heard those words and translated them.
• 4:29
  Toliy: Translated them like internally into something different, and then went out and told other people about this well, there you go.
• 4:35
  Eldar: That's why my quote.
• 4:36
  Eldar: My next question is what kind of characteristics of that individual possess for him to do something like that?
• 4:41
  Eldar: It sounds to to me beyond.
• 4:42
  Eldar: That's beyond, ignorance, man.
• 4:43
  Toliy: You know, like see, I don't know if there, if, if that is beyond ignorance, like that, I think it's perfectly normal to taste and to take in in a today's society for people's like um to take the very basic words of you did a good job and then translate them that you're getting a raise or a promotion.
• 5:03
  Toliy: I'm giving you a very drastic contrast.
• 5:08
  Eldar: No, but I think it's a very good one.
• 5:09
  Toliy: It's a very good example.
• 5:10
  Toliy: That type of stuff I know happens all the time.
• 5:12
  Toliy: All the time, for sure.
• 5:13
  Eldar: For sure, that's what I'm saying.
• 5:15
  Eldar: It's almost like if the individual who is hearing these things have already a predefined understanding of what those things might mean, but he's completely wrong about them, right?
• 5:26
  Eldar: It's like, have the?
• 5:29
  Eldar: I mean, yeah, that person, like they, have to be level arrogant because if they, if they go out there shouting, you know, then from the building, top of the building, telling everyone about this, it's like how are you so?
• 5:40
  Toliy: sure, I don't know if they're arrogant.
• 5:40
  Toliy: How are you so sure about something like this?
• 5:41
  Toliy: Yeah, but I don't know if they're arrogant.
• 5:42
  Toliy: I think that they're just perception of what is being said or is going on is completely off, and I think it's perfectly normal and this happens in everyday world with the word potential.
• 5:58
  Toliy: They're like, oh, this person said I have potential.
• 6:01
  Toliy: Now they take that as like wow, this person said I'm the next big thing yeah, right, they're not saying that like hey, you have potentially the ability to be successful If you put in the next 20,000 hours worth of work over the next, let's just say, five years, and then you you work your way up.
• 6:21
  Toliy: You remain healthy during that time.
• 6:23
  Toliy: You get consistent sleep.
• 6:24
  Toliy: Yeah, you remain healthy during that time.
• 6:28
  Toliy: You get consistent sleep.
• 6:29
  Toliy: Yeah, you eat well.
• 6:30
  Toliy: You don't get sick more than like 2% of the year and you don't like, you know, I don't know you don't get any other like physical injuries or like you know all kinds of other things Right Like that, right like that.
• 6:41
  Toliy: And then, if you're actually humbled there, you know, like, like the word potential is blanketed with like a behind, like a million things that could go wrong.
• 6:52
  Toliy: Yeah, you know, but because no one talks in that kind of way, they don't say like hey, here's a book of 50 pages worth of things that could go wrong in the next like five years.
• 7:01
  Toliy: But if they don't, you have potential to be successful yeah, you, you're right, that is a good example.
• 7:07
  Eldar: yeah.
• 7:08
  Toliy: But that's what it is, but that's the reality of what it is, but that's not what happens.
• 7:13
  Eldar: Well that's a big problem then, but that's also, why like not everyone?
• 7:20
  Eldar: So then you're almost like sending the individual to like this land of like.
• 7:23
  Eldar: Go find out, because that's not the truth of the matter when it comes to reality.
• 7:27
  Eldar: Right, You're going to find out, right.
• 7:30
  Toliy: Reality is going to teach you.
• 7:30
  Toliy: Well, yeah, what constantly happens is that, like I say hey, I need you to go dig a hole that's 10 inches deep.
• 7:38
  Toliy: Yeah, okay, you say okay, you go dig it.
• 7:44
  Toliy: And then you you're like hey, here, here's a hole, I finished it, you know.
• 7:48
  Toliy: And then I go check it and it's four inches deep and I'm like oh, I told you to build a 10 inch hole and you're like it is 10 inches, your measurement system is just like, for example let's assume that mine's correct in this case right, your measurement system of just what's going on is is, is off, is off.
• 8:06
  Toliy: So, if that's the case, you're going to be off in all things that you like, uh, interact it.
• 8:13
  Toliy: You're going to be off on timelines.
• 8:14
  Eldar: You're going to be off on, like um abilities, your I guess my question is like how is this, like the truth of the matter or the reality of the fact that my math is off, translates it into attitudes, right, which we then carry past the well, attitude.
• 8:29
  Toliy: Attitude is like, um, a reflection of like it it's.
• 8:35
  Toliy: It's like a reflection of your own understanding, and if your understanding is off, then your attitude towards these things is going to be off as well okay, right, like there's a correlation between the two if I don't understand what it means to towards these things is going to be off as well.
• 8:48
  Toliy: Hmm, okay, right, so there's a correlation between the two.
• 8:49
  Toliy: If I don't understand what it means to be successful and I'm overly optimistic and my attitude is like great Mm-hmm, right, yeah, and I'm off to begin with, then, like I'm bound to have the wrong, uh, like attitude, right.
• 9:02
  Eldar: Mm-hmm.
• 9:02
  Eldar: Yeah, yeah, no, it's true, mike.
• 9:09
  Eldar: What do you think?
• 9:10
  Mike: I don't have any thoughts, but I guess I'm trying to understand.
• 9:18
  Mike: Where is the?
• 9:19
  Mike: I'm trying to understand it in a simplified version, you know.
• 9:22
  Mike: Like, where does this come from?
• 9:26
  Mike: Like, why is the person chasing this thing?
• 9:28
  Mike: Right, the excitement, the way, like what I'm thinking about, mm-hmm, yeah, I'm thinking about.
• 9:38
  Mike: Where is, like, the excitement get born in the person?
• 9:48
  Toliy: But like in relation to to what well?
• 9:52
  Mike: in relation to like the idea right.
• 9:55
  Mike: The idea is great right but what, what idea?
• 9:58
  Mike: is whatever idea that you come up with, and then that you get excited about Whatever you dig.
• 10:02
  Mike: Whatever you dig, and now you want to get excited about it, for example, right yeah, whatever idea you discover, or thing, or whatever idea, plan, whatever you discover, you get excited about it.
• 10:18
  Mike: All right, and I think a lot of times we operate out of excitement.
• 10:23
  Mike: A lot of times we operate out of excitement.
• 10:25
  Mike: A lot of times, like you know, excitement is a big fuel to get shit done, you know.
• 10:33
  Mike: So I'm trying to understand.
• 10:35
  Mike: Where is that coming from?
• 10:36
  Mike: Is it like a genuine one, excitement?
• 10:40
  Mike: Or is it excitement to stay busy, right, to distract yourself?
• 10:49
  Eldar: what's what's like a genuine than excitement, because I think excitement is just excitement.
• 10:54
  Eldar: For example, yeah yeah, like I.
• 10:57
  Toliy: I view it more as that.
• 10:58
  Toliy: Like, yeah, like, I agree with that.
• 11:00
  Toliy: Like, excitement is excitement and I think excitement is okay if you have the proper abilities to like, um, to understand like the scope of things.
• 11:10
  Toliy: Right, um, okay, you can get excited about something, but, um, like, if, if you don't properly like, understand the situation that you're in and what's going on, then um, I mean you'll just be excited and that's kind in and what's going on, then, um, I mean, you'll just be excited and that's kind of where it's going to start and end.
• 11:31
  Toliy: But I think it's okay to be um excited about some something, but then I think that, um, that excitement is like a short lived uh fuel.
• 11:44
  Toliy: It's an inefficient fuel that's going to fuel that it's going to run out.
• 11:48
  Toliy: So you need either some kind of like plan or you need the ability to know what's going on and the ability to like assess direction or ask for proper help.
• 12:00
  Eldar: Is there a possibility where, since you already know that the excitement is going to run out especially if it's not tied to a very sound plan or understanding of reality, for example can you then also prepare yourself on the back end to say, like, okay, cool, like I'm going to go, I'm going to get excited here.
• 12:15
  Eldar: However, there's a potential that I got this whole thing wrong and that's going to be okay, but for now I'm just going to run amok.
• 12:22
  Mike: I think you're like referring an advanced way of operating.
• 12:26
  Eldar: I mean, but is it possible?
• 12:28
  Toliy: Yeah, but I think there's levels of excitement.
• 12:31
  Mike: Yeah, I think so.
• 12:32
  Toliy: Like there is an excitement level of making a I guess in some form like a realization or the feeling that you understand something right, yeah, you get excited there, right, but that's just like I think.
• 12:44
  Toliy: If you're something right, yeah, you get excited there, right, but that's just like I think if you're wise, it's like a premature excitement there, right, like you can be happy about it but you can identify, okay.
• 12:52
  Toliy: So let's take my example.
• 12:53
  Eldar: Let's take my example, yeah, of what I'm trying to do.
• 12:55
  Eldar: You know right, trying to invest into a very specific company right now, right, and use derivatives options right, yeah.
• 13:03
  Eldar: To come up with a specific plan.
• 13:06
  Eldar: I am well aware that it might not pan out that my bullish sentiment right now is going to play out as bullish as what I'm talking about right.
• 13:16
  Eldar: Nonetheless, I think I can get excited, and I am getting excited for free, almost, because I know that there's not necessarily a downside right, because I'm already.
• 13:29
  Eldar: I have a core position, I understand what that is and I'm long term and I don't care, right.
• 13:34
  Eldar: And now I'm going to open up a very short one right, which cancels itself out if nothing happens, right.
• 13:41
  Eldar: But if something does happen, I'm tapping into that excitement.
• 13:44
  Eldar: You know what I mean.
• 13:46
  Eldar: We're like oh shoot, potentially there could be something.
• 13:49
  Eldar: If I'm smelling what I'm smelling in the water right now, if this happens, great, I was, I was, I was on the money and I had, you know, skin in the game.
• 13:58
  Eldar: So why can't I just enjoy the the pleasure of excitement in that type of way?
• 14:09
  Toliy: well, if you're bringing an example where you don't have an attachment to a particular outcome, then I think it's completely fine, but I do.
• 14:17
  Eldar: I'm giving you the.
• 14:18
  Eldar: My attachment is on the end, where, like, I think that this is no.
• 14:21
  Mike: I think a good example is something to kind of recently happen, at least to me.
• 14:24
  Mike: Okay, right With the house, right A few months ago.
• 14:29
  Mike: Yeah, we all got very excited, you know.
• 14:33
  Mike: Not all, but Asterisk, asterisk, all yeah, some of us got excited, you know, and we talked about it, we, and we talked about it.
• 14:41
  Mike: We were like happy, we're like wow, this is great, exciting.
• 14:43
  Mike: Yeah, how do we do this?
• 14:45
  Mike: How do we, you know?
• 14:49
  Mike: But on the back end, I'm like yo, I'm harvesting the excitement, but I'm like, hey, I also know that things don't always go as planned, okay, you know.
• 14:53
  Mike: So I like, I guess, put the pillow for myself.
• 14:57
  Mike: You did, I did, because I know this is exciting and it's very exciting, you know, huge, huge excitement.
• 15:06
  Mike: Yeah, for me personally, and I was like, am I 100% certain this is going to work out?
• 15:13
  Mike: There's a hundred reasons that it could not and a hundred reasons that it could, yeah, but I know that I have to protect my own stuff.
• 15:20
  Mike: But it didn't prevent me from enjoying the fun having the conversation with you yeah, yeah, yeah, entertaining it, entertaining it yeah so the entertainment, the excitement, yeah, you didn't go around saying I don't want to jinx it.
• 15:30
  Eldar: I don't want to jinx it no, I didn't.
• 15:32
  Mike: Yeah, you entertained it, I entertained it and I was willing to ride it, whichever way it goes it was gonna go, but obviously you're still.
• 15:40
  Mike: I'm still waiting, but I'm not like oh man, you know, like, fuck this guy, fuck this situation.
• 15:44
  Eldar: So again, this is a perfect example of what I'm trying to say.
• 15:48
  Eldar: Yeah, you can strike those chords in life.
• 15:50
  Eldar: Where you're in, you're excited, yeah.
• 15:54
  Eldar: But when the downside, if the downside happens, you're neutral.
• 15:57
  Eldar: You don't have to go like I'm so disappointed now.
• 16:01
  Mike: Yeah, I don't feel like that at all.
• 16:02
  Mike: All right, good, because I also didn't set, I guess, expectation or attachment that, oh, this is going to happen for sure.
• 16:09
  Eldar: So now is this a good example where we can get excited.
• 16:13
  Mike: We can get excited where sometimes even things are not what they seem to be and we're playing into it Well, I think the excitement I guess a lot of times people don't extract or don't know how, maybe it's not taught, but like my excitement and I was able to extract the fun that me and you that's right and cat on that call, for example, yeah, the continuous conversations that we were to have, yeah, I was able to extract excitement from that.
• 16:43
  Mike: Yeah, like in the moment, in the moment, right, but that's because I came into it with an understanding that, like it's good today, tomorrow might not be, you know, might not be the same thing like knowing that coming in there, yeah I think it helps and I think that's like I don't know, a different kind of approach to excitement.
• 17:07
  Eldar: Understanding how it works.
• 17:08
  Eldar: Maybe, yeah, yeah, no for sure.
• 17:09
  Eldar: And then my next question, to build on that, would be if we could really tap into something like this and actually act this way, going forward with life.
• 17:17
  Eldar: I think we relieve a lot of the burden of disappointment.
• 17:20
  Eldar: Okay, yeah, I really do.
• 17:21
  Eldar: You know what I mean.
• 17:22
  Eldar: I'm not having.
• 17:25
  Eldar: Maybe that's next level.
• 17:26
  Eldar: Then my next question would be um, what's the opportunity level has to be in order for you to get into this excitement?
• 17:35
  Mike: uh, what do you mean?
• 17:35
  Mike: Opportunity?
• 17:36
  Eldar: like you had opportunity, right, opportunity came your way.
• 17:40
  Eldar: Yeah, there's an opportunity for you by house, a very specific one, the one you really wanted, why we had examples as to why they contacted us, they told us about it.
• 17:48
  Eldar: Something's coming up.
• 17:49
  Eldar: There is a probability.
• 17:51
  Eldar: Now, right, a possibility has been put on the wall that this might happen.
• 17:54
  Eldar: My thing is how much of the possibility has to be the threshold for you to actually get genuinely excited and enjoy the ride.
• 18:07
  Mike: I guess probably in that moment, right when I heard the news, I was like okay, this sounds like a pretty high chance okay, right, okay because, like the way it worked out, like this guy talked to this guy, this guy took to this guy yeah, they're cahooting, they look for us specifically.
• 18:19
  Mike: Yeah, why?
• 18:20
  Mike: Right?
• 18:21
  Mike: Like they remembered, like a lot of stuff sounds like it's adding up, so the chances sound pretty high, you know.
• 18:25
  Mike: Um, on that end, like because if nobody told me anything, the only reason I got excited is because they sparked it.
• 18:33
  Mike: Yeah, that's right they got me, they told me this it's a hot lead.
• 18:36
  Eldar: That's not a hot lead.
• 18:37
  Eldar: It's not a cold call.
• 18:38
  Mike: It's not a hot bell.
• 18:39
  Mike: So that got me excited and high.
• 18:43
  Mike: I was definitely very excited, okay, but I knew there was a downside.
• 18:49
  Mike: I guess, like not a downside, but like they knew there was a chance.
• 18:52
  Mike: It's not still not 100%, you know, yeah, but what's, what are you saying?
• 18:59
  Mike: Is there like percentage of it?
• 19:00
  Mike: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 19:01
  Mike: How much can you extract?
• 19:03
  Eldar: no, how much, like how much of the possibility needs to actually be there for you to get to this place that you just did and get excited about it, right Like?
• 19:11
  Eldar: And I will say yeah because, like, for example, for you to buy a home right, I think it's a big deal.
• 19:20
  Eldar: I think for anyone to buy their first home especially, I think it's a big deal.
• 19:23
  Eldar: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
• 19:24
  Eldar: So the opportunity to buy this home is so like wow.
• 19:29
  Eldar: It's so out there that you can't understand the disparity between who you are right now, who you're going to be.
• 19:36
  Eldar: It's like a faraway image of your new identity as a homeowner versus the current one that you don't have Right.
• 19:42
  Eldar: So it's like there's a lot of gappage that needs to happen before you say, oh, I'm a homeowner and I'm okay with this right.
• 19:47
  Eldar: So because of the opportunity so out there, you can leapfrog a lot of the excitement right to the top if the opportunity is probable.
• 20:00
  Eldar: Okay, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:01
  Mike: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Mike: So my question is almost like okay, how big the opportunity has to be right probable, okay?
• 20:03
  Eldar: You know what I'm saying, yeah.
• 20:04
  Eldar: So, like, my question is almost like okay, how big the opportunity has to be right, and then what are the probability that you need in order to get on that excitement wagon right?
• 20:15
  Eldar: Because I'm getting excited about some stuff too right now.
• 20:18
  Eldar: Like I said, yeah, right, I'm getting excited about me too, but I know well enough what happened last time.
• 20:25
  Eldar: Oh yeah, how I went in right and how I'm preventing myself from, you know, having certain experiences that I did last time.
• 20:34
  Eldar: Nonetheless, I was excited last time, but I know now that I was a little bit blind.
• 20:40
  Eldar: You know what I'm saying.
• 20:41
  Eldar: Yeah, I get it.
• 20:42
  Eldar: So I'm excited about the level that this has the potential which I'm saying.
• 20:44
  Eldar: So I'm excited about the level that this has the potential which I'm not sure, even like hindsight now, looking back, I'm not sure if I, like, saw the vision as clear as I did.
• 20:51
  Eldar: You know what?
• 20:53
  Eldar: I'm saying back then as I thought I did.
• 20:54
  Eldar: I actually thought that now it almost sounds like it feels like a drunk excitement before.
• 20:59
  Eldar: Now I'm like yo, I don't give a fuck where this shit goes up or down, I just want to play the field.
• 21:07
  Eldar: You know what I'm saying.
• 21:10
  Eldar: Like I want to have a skin in the game, yeah, right.
• 21:12
  Eldar: Well, I think on one hand, I want it to tank with the MSDR stuff right, because, why?
• 21:19
  Eldar: Because the bubble is the bubble.
• 21:20
  Eldar: But then, on the other hand, I want it to bubble because there is no bubble yet.
• 21:24
  Eldar: You know what I mean.
• 21:25
  Eldar: So I want to just get an opportunity to train up for whatever it is.
• 21:27
  Eldar: I don't have like a emotional connection maybe, or attachment, like I did before with at least tesla.
• 21:32
  Eldar: You know what I mean.
• 21:34
  Eldar: That I definitely did well, yeah, yeah, I want to be like emotionless.
• 21:37
  Mike: I was thinking about that, yeah like I don't give a fuck.
• 21:40
  Mike: Yeah you know well, I think, um, I was talking to somebody in the and he's like yo, I had like 300 shiba or whatever one of these cryptos, right?
• 21:50
  Eldar: oh, we have that too.
• 21:51
  Eldar: You have 100 shiba too, remember?
• 21:52
  Eldar: You made me buy really a long time ago.
• 21:56
  Eldar: You're like yo, you're getting in there, you're throwing 20 for me and I put it in.
• 21:59
  Eldar: It's like you know 5x already, so you have a hundred dollars in it, just fyi.
• 22:04
  Eldar: Yeah, okay.
• 22:05
  Eldar: So if you ever want to pull it out, let me know.
• 22:06
  Mike: You know I can make arrangements yeah, uh-huh, and we're talking and he's like, um, he's like, yeah, that 300 shiba right now is worth a million and a half, you know, okay, and so it made me think about, like my, about our thing.
• 22:22
  Mike: Maybe it was like at the time, yeah, we weren't ready to actually receive that money because of for whatever reason, like it wasn't in the cards, because we were too arrogant, too excited, yeah, like ignorant, we were blind, like it wasn't the right timing.
• 22:36
  Mike: Those people might say the same same thing.
• 22:38
  Eldar: You know like yeah, no for sure for sure.
• 22:40
  Mike: But like that's the way I think about it, I don't argue, I don't think it was the right time for that to happen, because we're maybe we weren't ready for it, right In a certain sense.
• 22:49
  Mike: Like I don't know if that makes any sense, but to me it kind of did that.
• 22:53
  Mike: Yeah, it wasn't supposed to happen, because the way we approach the whole thing we're like drunk uh, drunk teenagers.
• 23:00
  Mike: You.
• 23:01
  Mike: Yeah, thinking it's going to go.
• 23:03
  Mike: Yeah, it's going to go.
• 23:04
  Mike: We didn't look at anything.
• 23:05
  Mike: We didn't see anything other than what we wanted to see.
• 23:08
  Mike: Oh, that's a good way to put it.
• 23:09
  Mike: Yeah, you know, it's true, and I think that was the ignorance there, and probably, I guess I guess, and that's why it almost forced us to do a very stupid move.
• 23:18
  Mike: You know, expose our asses and they get caught slipping because we were blind.
• 23:27
  Eldar: We wanted somebody to come where.
• 23:27
  Eldar: Now the attitude is completely different, where, okay, cool, I have a, maybe, like I said, I want to pop one bubble and I want to ride the other.
• 23:32
  Eldar: There's like a crystal ball fucking scenario, if I you know.
• 23:36
  Eldar: So if I could take out those types of positions to play with it, but then also not have what I had before, this ignorant excitement that you're talking about then I don't give a fuck.
• 23:47
  Eldar: I can enjoy the process, and if nothing happens, then nothing happens.
• 23:52
  Eldar: I enjoy the process.
• 23:53
  Eldar: Yeah, is that a hack?
• 23:54
  Eldar: Is my question.
• 23:57
  Toliy: Ultimately, yeah, see, like I view different scenarios differently, but in my example, for example, in what I was saying, for example, in, in, in.
• 24:05
  Toliy: In what I was saying, for example, right, yeah, like, to me there's one level of excitement and like let's just use the word realization or understanding the feeling of that, right.
• 24:17
  Toliy: And then there's like, um, multiple levels, like along the way.
• 24:24
  Toliy: Then there's excitement of like, multiple levels along the way.
• 24:26
  Toliy: Then there's excitement of like, okay, testing the theory and being proved mostly correct, for example.
• 24:31
  Toliy: Then there's excitement there, yeah, right, yeah.
• 24:35
  Toliy: But then I think that one of the higher levels of excitement is being able to step back and watch a self-sustainable process that you started from like a idea or maybe like a like, a some kind of like desire, right, For example, yeah, and then being able to watch it like a blossom and play out.
• 24:59
  Toliy: So now, like you thought of something, you then got in a position where you're doing it, yeah, and, and prove that it works right, and now it's, and then you have the ability to, for example, show it to others, and then you have the ability to step out and be almost like an invisible ghost and watch, and watch it well, yeah, what you're talking about, I think, is the phenomenon of creating your own reality.
• 25:26
  Toliy: Yeah, it's basically what like um, like um, the reason, the reason.
• 25:32
  Toliy: I mean, I don't know if this is going to sound like um arrogance or weird, but if you can do that right, I think that you have maybe a small feeling, maybe a small feeling, maybe a small feeling of feeling like a God-like yeah, God-like.
• 25:54
  Eldar: Of course, that's what I'm saying, because what God?
• 25:56
  Toliy: did was that he created, for example, a world that just operates and he's able to look at it.
• 26:02
  Toliy: It's not like, if you do that on one thing, that like it's everything like that, like in your life, but it's like it's basically a um, an ecosystem.
• 26:12
  Toliy: Yeah, you know, yeah, and like.
• 26:14
  Toliy: Like.
• 26:15
  Toliy: It's like making a greenhouse right, like you got the sprinkler systems to work properly, the amount of like lights or sun, right, the right feeding schedule.
• 26:24
  Toliy: Like you know, you have little puppers bringing it in automatically.
• 26:29
  Toliy: They're trained already you know, yeah, like when you can step out of it.
• 26:34
  Eldar: Yeah.
• 26:34
  Toliy: And observe yeah, I think that is like um, like a, like a crazy excitement feeling you know yeah.
• 26:44
  Mike: Like along the way.
• 26:45
  Mike: No, but that's like I'm already in the middle to the end of the journey.
• 26:49
  Eldar: Well, excitement well, well, he showed you the whole like path.
• 26:52
  Eldar: Yeah, but there was a whole.
• 26:54
  Toliy: There's different steps of excitement, like to me again, there's one level of like seeing something, oh shit, right.
• 27:00
  Toliy: Like, okay, maybe, you see it's like, hey, there's an opportunity here, right.
• 27:04
  Toliy: And then you, then there's a whole journey of then, okay, right, so like, the proper excitement then would be like, okay, you're excited, you, you understood something.
• 27:12
  Toliy: Right now you need to figure out a way to make the pieces you know fit correctly and everything to make sense.
• 27:17
  Toliy: Okay, you did that now.
• 27:19
  Toliy: Okay, now it's also a feeling of excitement, right.
• 27:22
  Toliy: And then you need to continuously like get back in the lab and you could be excited, but you need to um, like do next steps and you need to um continue working at it up until you can get the ultimate level of excitement, which is observation.
• 27:40
  Toliy: And I think the proper time of observation is when you have a self-sustainable ecosystem.
• 27:46
  Eldar: That's very interesting, you know.
• 27:48
  Toliy: Yeah, I was talking about, you know, creating.
• 27:49
  Toliy: Yeah, you're the creator.
• 27:50
  Toliy: Yeah, like a perfect one.
• 27:53
  Toliy: Yeah, like you're looking at like a snow globe, right, like there's a whole little like world in there.
• 27:57
  Eldar: Especially if you're happy about what you've created.
• 27:59
  Eldar: Yes, then it's completely of service to you.
• 28:01
  Toliy: Yeah, and then it comes to like tinkering and optimization and like there there's going to be new, new challenges and like new next steps.
• 28:10
  Toliy: But the whole process of seeing something like that through, like um, that could be something that someone does like one time in their whole life.
• 28:19
  Toliy: That could be something that happens multiple times in um someone's life, yeah Right, but that to me is like once you can step out of it and just be an observer and watch, like that.
• 28:32
  Toliy: That's probably like a level of like enlightenment, you know at least within that little yeah picture that you've painted.
• 28:37
  Eldar: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:39
  Eldar: And the beauty of it is is that everybody, everybody, like again, we always say this right, we kind of like you know what I mean Without abusing the word potential, but everybody kind of has the potential to do so If they understand these points.
• 28:52
  Toliy: Yeah, again, the biggest thing is, if you know, yeah.
• 28:55
  Toliy: It feels at least to me, like most people, the biggest thing is just the potential.
• 29:00
  Toliy: You know, yeah, but the yeah, the biggest thing are those ifs, and you know that's what I was saying, at least before.
• 29:09
  Toliy: Is that too?
• 29:10
  Toliy: You know?
• 29:13
  Toliy: Reiterating that quote of success is when opportunity meets preparation, like if you feel you answer something, you know you can test it.
• 29:23
  Toliy: You can test the theory out and see if you feel you answer something you know.
• 29:25
  Toliy: You can test it.
• 29:26
  Toliy: You can test the theory out and see, see, see if you're right.
• 29:27
  Toliy: But if you have particular deficiencies or things that you see that are not right, right, um, um, if this is what you want to do, then it is your duty to see those things through and to to correct and to improve and to to understand what, what you're not understanding, and to continue to get improve and to understand what you're not understanding and to continue to get closer and closer to aligning the perception of what you think is going on in all of these things in comparison to what the reality of them is.
• 29:58
  Toliy: And once you do that, then you get thatipper like a synchronization, right.
• 30:01
  Toliy: And then I think then again, that's when you get that real excitement of like, oh, okay, right, and then again there, there's still a lot more work there, but you at least, like, have proven a mathematical equation that that makes sense in it, and like a uh, like, like it makes sense, over and over again, um, and then you need to still again have um, like you could do that and you could be like that one man show, for example.
• 30:35
  Toliy: But the next level is yeah, to, to, to, to teach it and to spread it and have other people be part of that like workflow and that kind of like flow state.
• 30:44
  Toliy: You know yeah and understand it and then yeah, I think the ultimate success is is to watch it.
• 30:53
  Eldar: You realize that we this is why we went public in the first place.
• 30:55
  Eldar: I don't know what, uh, the podcast, everything else, no, but what do you mean?
• 31:03
  Eldar: What's?
• 31:03
  Eldar: What's the reason?
• 31:04
  Eldar: Well, the reason is that you know, then, like you said, right, if the process is built, you've tested it, you're using it, you're trying it, and then now the opportunity is for it to grow past you right, to be able to pass it on to someone else right and continue it.
• 31:18
  Eldar: You know, and that's, I think, what we're trying to do if the model that we're talking about right, Aside from what we're doing here actually right, this is a model right.
• 31:28
  Eldar: If the model is talked about right and pass on to the world or at least observed by those individuals and learn of how to do it right, why not?
• 31:35
  Eldar: This model, Like he's saying, then can be actualized out there in the world.
• 31:43
  Toliy: Yeah, like the humble guide.
• 31:52
  Toliy: Well, yeah, you need to probably understand what's going on, you know?
• 31:58
  Toliy: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Mike: Okay, I think about that excitement thing in like the genuine one.
• 32:11
  Mike: You can't get excited.
• 32:15
  Mike: Or you can, I guess, but you can't get excited or you can, I guess, but you shouldn't get excited about something that's potentially going to fill like a void in your life, that you feel like like, oh, this is going to make my life better, but not like from a place of positivity but more of a place of a lack.
• 32:31
  Mike: Oh, okay, you know what I'm saying.
• 32:34
  Mike: Like, maybe at that time we're like yo, now, this money is going to change our lives.
• 32:38
  Mike: We need this money.
• 32:39
  Mike: Right when we first bought in yeah, I'm not saying that's the case, I don't remember the thoughts at the time like y'all, this money's going to help us, going to change us.
• 32:45
  Mike: Yeah, instead of saying like yo, we have everything we need if we get this money.
• 32:48
  Mike: Good, if we don't good, it can only add to that, yeah but also not only that, yeah, it can only add to it, but also that or expedite it, yeah, but also that.
• 33:00
  Mike: Taught the lesson right, like for you, one of the biggest lessons that you you always tell me all the time about this yeah about that.
• 33:07
  Eldar: What came out of it?
• 33:07
  Eldar: I've learned the lesson.
• 33:08
  Eldar: That lesson cost me 1.5 yeah, what was that lesson?
• 33:13
  Mike: uh, don't idolize always bank on yourself oh yeah yeah, put the chips on yourself put the chips on yourself you.
• 33:19
  Mike: We came out there with this idea that, yeah, we needed somebody to save us, to get us money.
• 33:25
  Mike: Yeah, by investing we're gonna get rich.
• 33:27
  Mike: That's right, because somebody else is gonna do something, that's right.
• 33:29
  Mike: That was excitement that was poorly directed, and the result was the.
• 33:34
  Mike: That was excitement that was poorly directed and the result was the result.
• 33:35
  Mike: But the lesson that was extracted from it now brings you to another place that's right when you have a completely different outlook on this.
• 33:42
  Eldar: 100%, for example, and I think that's, and I'm a lot more feeling empowered internally because of that, because I'm standing on mine yeah.
• 33:50
  Mike: Yeah, but I think that's that's probably like the difference I I see between the excitement where it's.
• 33:57
  Mike: You get excited because yeah you're filling a void, you're lacking something in your life, right versus like I already have everything I need.
• 34:04
  Toliy: Like yeah were you trying to do that and like fill some kind of void?
• 34:08
  Toliy: Well, I'm not'm not sure.
• 34:10
  Eldar: Yeah, like.
• 34:11
  Toliy: I.
• 34:11
  Eldar: But I definitely felt a chase.
• 34:13
  Toliy: Well, yeah, like I view it as almost like there was things that like logically made sense, for example yeah Right, like they actually logically made sense and you felt them For the moment.
• 34:25
  Mike: Like what, like what things Like that the stock was going to go up Infinitely.
• 34:33
  Toliy: Well, it was going to go up, but the reasons Can you tell me the logic, maybe the reasons and the product and the different things.
• 34:40
  Toliy: It felt that way, but I think it doesn't always.
• 34:45
  Toliy: Just because someone has the best product or something like that, it doesn't mean that it's going to 100% happen in that kind of way, because there's a lot of unexpected or just different variables of stocks, for example, going up or down.
• 35:07
  Toliy: There's COVID, there's there's regulations, right, there's politics.
• 35:18
  Eldar: There's beefs, right?
• 35:20
  Eldar: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 35:21
  Eldar: It's almost like everything that you're saying now.
• 35:24
  Eldar: It's almost an explanation to an individual who's not so empowered about the moves that he's making.
• 35:29
  Mike: Well, no.
• 35:29
  Eldar: There's no logic.
• 35:30
  Mike: I don't see the logic there, it's actually the opposite of logic.
• 35:32
  Toliy: No, well, no, there's no logic.
• 35:33
  Toliy: I don't see the logic there it's actually the opposite of logic.
• 35:35
  Toliy: No, no, no, I'm saying that I think it showed that what happens to these companies going up or down is not always just pure logic Like, okay, this is the best product guaranteed to move up.
• 35:55
  Mike: But we came in there with that understanding.
• 35:58
  Mike: That was the case.
• 35:59
  Toliy: We were we had it wrong yeah we thought we were playing a logical game, but yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
• 36:05
  Mike: Yeah, so we were wrong yeah, yeah, so we didn't make a logical decision no, no, no.
• 36:12
  Toliy: What I'm saying is that, like what was logical, I think we made an excited, excitable argument at that time, right I, I think the, the, the premise of what of, of, of what we thought is happening, was a logical one like, like, of, like, um, like this company is the best, they make the best product, like they're miles ahead of everybody.
• 36:34
  Toliy: Right, yeah, but we we, we thought with that said that this is what then is guaranteed to happen, correct, right, you see that that's what we thought the guarantee part.
• 36:45
  Toliy: And then what happened was that when you get, when you get um in bed with that kind of prediction.
• 36:51
  Toliy: Now all the other people in the outside world, all of the deficiencies there, now start becoming your own.
• 37:00
  Toliy: You're now part of that thing Because you have skin in the game and anything.
• 37:07
  Toliy: That's something that people do.
• 37:09
  Toliy: Now you're also affected by it.
• 37:12
  Toliy: That's right.
• 37:13
  Toliy: And now no longer are your own actions.
• 37:15
  Toliy: Your own actions are tied.
• 37:16
  Toliy: Yeah, Like someone else's actions and decisions are now tied directly with your own.
• 37:22
  Eldar: That's why they start causing you stress.
• 37:23
  Eldar: That is why I think that lesson was worth whatever it was worth.
• 37:26
  Toliy: Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
• 37:27
  Toliy: So like that's what I'm saying.
• 37:29
  Toliy: Is that like the feeling was that there is a logical equation here of what was going on?
• 37:34
  Mike: yeah, um, but the arrogance is trying to go and play into a game that we did not know enough about, but confidently act and behave and talk like we actually did.
• 37:44
  Mike: And that's the arrogance.
• 37:45
  Mike: We don't know shit about the stock market.
• 37:47
  Mike: We don't know shit about stocks.
• 37:48
  Mike: We don't know shit about the company.
• 37:49
  Mike: We don't know the underlying things.
• 37:50
  Mike: We don't know how these things work.
• 37:50
  Mike: We don't know shit about the company.
• 37:51
  Mike: We don't know the underlying things.
• 37:52
  Mike: We don't know how these things work.
• 37:53
  Mike: We don't know the factors at play, the CEO's fucking crazy personality.
• 37:57
  Mike: We didn't take that into account.
• 37:58
  Mike: We were arrogant because we wanted to believe what we wanted to believe.
• 38:02
  Eldar: Well, this time I don't think it's the same, or at least if it is, at least the risk is mitigated.
• 38:08
  Mike: Mm-hmm.
• 38:11
  Eldar: You know what?
• 38:11
  Eldar: I'm saying Mm you know what I'm saying?
• 38:18
  Mike: well, for now it's we haven't done anything but now it's a lot of fun, yeah like, yeah, I'm having a lot of fun me too learning this new ecosystem yeah, you know going back and forth with you.
• 38:24
  Mike: Yeah, you know doing this like new thing.
• 38:26
  Mike: Yeah, it's fun, it is.
• 38:28
  Mike: I'm enjoying it if we never buy anything, and that's what happened when we were having thought experience about the election.
• 38:34
  Eldar: Remember, yeah, and I gave you my predictions, I gave you my theory to the fucking tea.
• 38:39
  Eldar: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 38:40
  Eldar: We didn't jump on it, we didn't execute it on it, we just took our time.
• 38:44
  Eldar: Yeah, but we observed exactly what I pointed out.
• 38:46
  Eldar: Not to say that I'm the fucking, I have a crystal ball.
• 38:48
  Eldar: Yeah, you're not Mystic Mac, but I'm not.
• 38:51
  Eldar: I didn't jump on that opportunity I could have.
• 38:53
  Mike: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:54
  Eldar: I wanted to see it.
• 38:55
  Mike: Yeah.
• 38:57
  Eldar: So I can think about what can I do in such a way where I make sure that there's no emotional volatility, if volatility goes, if the outcome is not what I'm looking or optimistically going towards.
• 39:08
  Mike: Mm-hmm.
• 39:10
  Eldar: That's all you know.
• 39:12
  Eldar: So is this a hack?
• 39:13
  Eldar: Is this the answer to, let's just say, the age-old argument about what is happiness?
• 39:20
  Eldar: Is this where it's at?
• 39:27
  Mike: No, I mean I'm going to go on this journey.
• 39:29
  Mike: It's a good argument, I'm going to go on this adventure.
• 39:32
  Eldar: Okay, the adventure has some possibility.
• 39:33
  Eldar: This possibility that I'm going to find on this journey, it's a good argument.
• 39:33
  Eldar: I'm going to go on this adventure.
• 39:34
  Eldar: Okay, the adventure has some possibility.
• 39:34
  Eldar: There's a possibility that I'm going to find gold on this island.
• 39:36
  Eldar: Why?
• 39:37
  Eldar: Well, because you know whoever discovered this island found gold there before and you know, apparently there's some deposits there on this island.
• 39:43
  Eldar: There's a possibility I find gold.
• 39:45
  Eldar: I'm excited about it, but there's also a possibility, always put in your back pocket, a possibility that there I won't find gold and there might be bad weather next two weeks and that's all I have is two weeks, you know, and I can't dig for gold, for example right.
• 39:58
  Eldar: There's a possibility for that.
• 39:59
  Eldar: I'm aware of it, but I still would like to go on this journey.
• 40:04
  Eldar: Is that the answer to happiness?
• 40:07
  Eldar: When it comes to, it's the journey that matters and not the actual destination.
• 40:11
  Eldar: In this, my example, you remove the destination.
• 40:14
  Eldar: You only leave the destination potential if what you're looking for actually happens, so then you're overjoyed.
• 40:24
  Mike: It's definitely interesting.
• 40:25
  Mike: Well, what's it called?
• 40:29
  Toliy: Yeah, but in that example is your imagination creating what the possibilities of one is versus the other.
• 40:37
  Eldar: I don't know how far you want to entertain it.
• 40:39
  Eldar: You can if you want to, but you don't have to.
• 40:44
  Toliy: Yeah, like if an expert came in let's just say a for sure expert, and they for sure knew they're.
• 40:50
  Toliy: Like, hey, elder, like what you're doing is guaranteed to not work, would you still be able to have that same excitement and feel the same ways and continue to do it?
• 41:02
  Eldar: if that was the case, if it's 100% true and this guy has 100% return rate every time, then of course not I'll just if I'm smart if I'm smart a little bit, I'll say, okay cool, I'm not gonna find the gold.
• 41:12
  Eldar: If I'm smart, if I'm smart a little bit, I'll say, okay cool, I'm not going to find the gold.
• 41:15
  Eldar: I'm fueling it with finding the gold, but the fun part.
• 41:20
  Toliy: the fun only exists because there's a self-proclaimed theory, it's a hypothesis.
• 41:27
  Eldar: It's a hypothesis, right?
• 41:28
  Eldar: We're going into the world and trying to test the hypothesis.
• 41:31
  Eldar: We have a theory that if, if this happens, this happens, if this domino falls, this domino falls and the results are going to be the this is it.
• 41:38
  Eldar: Now you go on this journey of trying to figure this out or find it?
• 41:41
  Eldar: Yeah, find these things.
• 41:43
  Eldar: Yeah, for yourself.
• 41:44
  Eldar: Did you protect the downside by saying that I do have a possibility I'm not finding and I'm okay with?
• 41:49
  Eldar: Should you always go into any type of scenario carrying a level of excitement with this thing In order to?
• 41:57
  Mike: I think it's very important to do that.
• 41:59
  Mike: Yeah, yeah, because Is it?
• 42:02
  Eldar: answering our quest for sustained happiness and how to sustain it.
• 42:07
  Eldar: Why are people saying the cliche thing of it's the journey, it's not the destination?
• 42:16
  Eldar: Why?
• 42:16
  Eldar: Because something is in the journeys that we go on.
• 42:18
  Eldar: We put ourselves on right if handled properly, handled accordingly, if you actually see the journey is what matters, right doesn't matter that we might not find the gold there.
• 42:28
  Eldar: I have you and me, we both like each other's company, we're buying axes and things and we're going on the journey, yeah, but also yeah, I.
• 42:36
  Toliy: I think that's also the case because the realization of being at the destination is a very like short I think.
• 42:45
  Mike: Like uh, live well, I think I want, yeah, what this is making me think is about when we watch UFC, right, or any sporting event, right.
• 42:54
  Mike: We're watching the show, we're excited as fuck when it's going on, and then, once the match is over and they announce the winner, or the winner's winner, there's adrenaline dump right.
• 43:02
  Mike: The happiness is already like it's finished.
• 43:04
  Mike: It's finished the release, that's true, you know.
• 43:06
  Mike: Is this the same thing?
• 43:17
  Toliy: Like is.
• 43:17
  Toliy: Is that what is describing the cycle of the happiness?
• 43:19
  Toliy: The happiness is the guts.
• 43:20
  Toliy: The only time I think that there could be something like this happening is when there is uncertainty.
• 43:22
  Toliy: If every time we watch UFC, I think that we could still enjoy it, but it wouldn't be on that same level If we were all to view the scorecards of what happened when they got knocked out, when they got submitted, who won and when when they got knocked out, when they got submitted, who won and when.
• 43:33
  Mike: When I watch, like sometimes, when I watch like F1, right, on Sundays, for example, it's usually the races on Sundays and um, and I'll go to the gym and I'll play ball during the race, for example, right, and I, um, I'm like yo, I'm not going to watch the race, I'm not going to check X or Twitter or Instagram, right, I'm just going to wait till I finish, you know, to see who won the race.
• 44:00
  Mike: I'll never go watch the race if I find out, like the results, because it's not interesting anymore.
• 44:05
  Mike: I already know the outcome.
• 44:07
  Toliy: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:08
  Mike: So you know I try to avoid it because, but there's been times that I didn't watch the race Well, but you know I try to avoid it because, but there's been times that I didn't watch the race, well, I didn't know.
• 44:15
  Mike: And then I went later and I watched it because I wanted to see who wins.
• 44:17
  Eldar: Okay, how about this then?
• 44:18
  Eldar: What about, for example, let's bring UFC.
• 44:22
  Eldar: It's easier to explain.
• 44:23
  Eldar: Yeah, sure, I already know, and like who won or who lost the fight, right, but I might go back to see how it happened, like what the technique was used.
• 44:34
  Toliy: No, sure, but you wouldn't have that same level of excitement.
• 44:36
  Mike: You wouldn't be as excited because you already know what's going to happen?
• 44:39
  Toliy: Yeah, I agree, there is in all of these different things if we knew for sure what the end result was guaranteed.
• 44:46
  Mike: The skin in the game.
• 44:48
  Toliy: Yeah, and what?
• 44:50
  Eldar: So that maybe the point in life is then to have these types of things where the journeys are question marked.
• 44:56
  Toliy: I think the skin of the game.
• 44:57
  Toliy: No, but that's guaranteed and everything that you do but carry that.
• 45:03
  Eldar: Carry what?
• 45:03
  Eldar: Carry that attitude that actually you know what I mean Like I'm not sure what's going to happen.
• 45:07
  Eldar: You know what I mean is what I'm saying Versus like oh, most people right what I'm saying yeah.
• 45:13
  Eldar: Versus like oh, I, most people right that they get a lot of time in trouble is like I know exactly what's gonna happen.
• 45:16
  Eldar: I'm trying to say that let's get on the journey of trying to talk shit and say that I know exactly what's gonna happen, but you best to believe it.
• 45:23
  Eldar: I'm not falling down when it doesn't right.
• 45:27
  Eldar: Sort of like you know, like the, the elections for us, right, okay, like sure, like I, yeah, I said that there's no chance he's going to win and he won Like but okay, cool, I don't give a fuck, but you had a lot of fun.
• 45:37
  Mike: I had a lot of fun Saying that he's not.
• 45:39
  Mike: Oh yeah.
• 45:45
  Eldar: I extracted what I wanted to extract for myself and at the expense of others, but hopefully I explain it to them afterwards, or whatever right that, I really don't care.
• 45:55
  Eldar: You know, what I'm saying Specifically in this example of an outcome.
• 45:59
  Eldar: But I can enjoy the ride, you know.
• 46:07
  Mike: Yeah, I think the attachment takes away.
• 46:08
  Mike: How about the scenario where you have a huge attachment in a UFC fight and you're watching the fight and you know you're enjoying it and then the guy you really attach to winning loses?
• 46:21
  Mike: How do you feel after that?
• 46:23
  Toliy: you know what that's tricky, because sometimes very good, like sometimes you're like yo, yes, like I'm actually happy that he lost, yes, no, but this is a scenario that you guys is painting that we have like our own understanding about.
• 46:33
  Mike: Yeah, generally people are not like yo.
• 46:35
  Mike: He deserves to lose.
• 46:36
  Mike: Yes, we have a basketball game sometimes.
• 46:38
  Mike: No, no, no.
• 46:38
  Eldar: But I think that totally, no, no sure.
• 46:40
  Eldar: But I think that totally is alluding again to a very specific scenario where, even when you don't get what you wanted right, engage in it.
• 46:49
  Eldar: That you're like you know what, I fucking you know what?
• 46:52
  Toliy: I agree, I'll pay $200 for him, so there's no problem.
• 46:56
  Eldar: I've put money just like that right, Like I'm like, okay, cool, you gotta retire him.
• 46:58
  Eldar: You gotta retire him Mentally.
• 47:00
  Toliy: We probably all, I guess, collectively, I think at least like we want for example, that would yeah behind that yeah, right, exactly what a crazy scenario.
• 47:11
  Toliy: Like rematch 10 years later, for example, right pound for pound, number one guy yeah, everyone thinks it's untouchable.
• 47:18
  Toliy: And then this guy who people don't think that this is even a possibility, goes and submits him.
• 47:23
  Toliy: Yeah, like that, I mean like you can get excited about that outcome too.
• 47:28
  Toliy: You know where you don't like, like you, you have multiple ways to win.
• 47:32
  Toliy: You know, yeah, in that scenario, like if, even if you're rooting for like a fighter, for example, and he gets completely destroyed, you have to be able to respect that and you have to be able to be like wow what that guy did.
• 47:47
  Eldar: That's what I'm saying.
• 47:48
  Eldar: Then we're talking again about holding no attachments, but that's yeah, that's for sure.
• 47:53
  Eldar: But most people are not going to be able to do what you just described.
• 47:58
  Eldar: Well, I think that's why we're here I think that's why we're in this space.
• 48:00
  Mike: Yeah, yeah, no, I was trying to give that example of you watching the fight and then you got loses.
• 48:03
  Mike: You actually feel bad, you're not happy, you're upset like, yeah, whatever you're saying, it's unfair.
• 48:08
  Mike: Yeah, the judges, whatever.
• 48:09
  Mike: Like you know, like whatever, bullshit.
• 48:12
  Mike: Right, you start making shit up in your head yeah, because you're attached to a certain outcome and now all that fun you had it's out the window.
• 48:18
  Mike: Now you're fucking angry, you're pissed, you're sad.
• 48:21
  Eldar: Well, no, like, for example, when I lose money on somebody not you, no, already prepaid for those emotions to be there, because I already know that these are possibilities.
• 48:33
  Eldar: Right, I've also talked to myself.
• 48:34
  Eldar: I said that's a possibility, sometimes we get them, sometimes we don't.
• 48:37
  Eldar: That is it, you know.
• 48:38
  Eldar: But it doesn't mean that I can't get emotionally invested, or even on the negative side, because I think it's also important, right like when I go and I curse like what the fuck?
• 48:46
  Eldar: You know this fucking ref?
• 48:47
  Eldar: Are you serious, or whatever it is you.
• 48:49
  Eldar: So I think there's a win-win on.
• 48:52
  Eldar: You can really win on any side If you know how.
• 48:56
  Mike: If you know how, how to maneuver it, yeah.
• 48:59
  Eldar: I agree, but then again, that's finding the middle way where you're not here and you're not there.
• 49:03
  Eldar: You never ignited the spark of being radical.
• 49:08
  Toliy: Well, I think it's just like an ultimate respect to reality.
• 49:14
  Eldar: Yes, think it's just a uh like an ultimate respect to reality.
• 49:18
  Eldar: Yes, yes, that's a fucking great way to put it.
• 49:19
  Toliy: Holy shit, that's a.
• 49:20
  Toliy: Say it again.
• 49:21
  Toliy: It's the ultimate respect to reality.
• 49:21
  Toliy: Yeah, like respect to reality.
• 49:23
  Toliy: He submitted him.
• 49:24
  Toliy: Wow, like that's the reality of what happened.
• 49:26
  Eldar: Yeah, yeah, like you need to have respect for that, or yeah?
• 49:29
  Toliy: like uh, or again like if you're unhappy with a ref, like you know, no, you know what I was thinking when you said ultimate respect to reality.
• 49:37
  Eldar: I didn't think that you, you, you, you material, you gave me a material thing.
• 49:41
  Eldar: I was more so thinking about.
• 49:42
  Eldar: You're saying that you respect reality, that, even though you thought 99.999 chance that this was going to happen, you respect reality, that that .01% still exists.
• 49:58
  Toliy: And I think that's a very humble stance.
• 50:01
  Toliy: I think the respect of reality is probably tied to Socrates saying that he doesn't know.
• 50:09
  Toliy: That's probably his respect to reality, but I think saying that he doesn't know.
• 50:13
  Toliy: Yes, right Like, that's probably his respect to uh, to uh reality.
• 50:16
  Toliy: But I think the actual acknowledgement of the I don't know in these different things, that that that you like uh endeavor upon like that, creates the opportunities, for there would be no excitement if there was certainty, mm, it's impossible.
• 50:35
  Mike: Yeah, would be no excitement if there was certainty.
• 50:36
  Mike: It's impossible.
• 50:37
  Mike: Yeah, I, I don't.
• 50:38
  Mike: I'm thinking if there's a way to get excited without with with having a certain certainty of it, without only only one person.
• 50:44
  Mike: We know who could do that, it's probably james shout out james, yo yo yeah, I don't know how you can do that.
• 50:51
  Mike: I'm trying to think.
• 50:55
  Toliy: Yeah, that's also why like let's go.
• 50:58
  Toliy: You know I like my Hercules.
• 51:01
  Toliy: Oh, yes, the quote always like that they were talking about.
• 51:08
  Toliy: Was that like that people envy?
• 51:12
  Toliy: Like the gods, Because what?
• 51:13
  Eldar: the gods yeah.
• 51:13
  Toliy: Because what the gods have, what they're immortal.
• 51:17
  Toliy: They have certainty, yeah Right, and he was saying no, it's actually the opposite.
• 51:21
  Toliy: The gods actually envy man because man has uncertainty and the feeling of uncertainty is like it creates the most exciting opportunities ever, because you never know, yeah, like it's just like that quote, it's like the, the YOLO thing.
• 51:36
  Toliy: You don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
• 51:38
  Toliy: Yeah, you know, yeah, okay, you know, um, and because that exists, it makes like the mortality of it and all these different things that you go on like special.
• 51:54
  Toliy: Yeah, go on Special, yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes it special yeah.
• 51:59
  Eldar: That's closely tied to our last topic about art.
• 52:01
  Eldar: Everybody's an artist.
• 52:03
  Eldar: If you didn't connect those two dots, that's okay, because I had a hard time connecting them too, right after I said it.
• 52:15
  Mike: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 52:16
  Eldar: I know Me too.
• 52:18
  Eldar: Yeah, this is a very interesting one.
• 52:22
  Eldar: So is that what a nugget of happiness is?
• 52:29
  Eldar: Is that the answer?
• 52:31
  Toliy: Yeah, I think probably, like, maybe the, the, the correct level of happiness is maybe the, the proper alignment of what is reality.
• 52:48
  Toliy: You know because, then, like, like um.
• 52:52
  Toliy: You know because then like, like um, it's also like, like, when you have the feeling and and and the proof for yourself that, like, you're in control of a particular like uh, reality right, even if you don't have it yet, like, I think that is extremely exciting, but then also, like you need to also um, yeah, yeah, I would.
• 53:18
  Toliy: I would say to to make it simpler the more, the more understanding you have of reality, the more proper excitement you can get.
• 53:31
  Toliy: You know, that actually feels good that's fucking so well put.
• 53:37
  Eldar: We should just end it at that.
• 53:38
  Toliy: He's 100% right because if you're understanding we have a reality, the more likely we have chances of properly harvesting excitement yeah, like true happiness, true excitement, because I don't think that, like excitement, is this like necessarily negative, like feeling, for example.
• 54:00
  Toliy: Maybe people experience it like yeah, but you see, like what we're talking about, right.
• 54:06
  Eldar: Like the reason why we say like excitement sometimes can be dangerous or out of control is because of the fact that it's probably in the hands of individuals.
• 54:13
  Mike: Yeah, Same thing with everything else we discuss.
• 54:15
  Mike: Uh, confidence and discipline in the wrong hands.
• 54:18
  Mike: It's, it's, yeah, it's, it's nothing it's nothing.
• 54:21
  Toliy: It doesn't hold any water yeah, like our, I think our, our life duty is to get, um, like, have the right compass as to what is actually going on.
• 54:31
  Toliy: Yeah, you know, 100 like the further away we are from having that being aligned, the more guaranteed unhappiness and suffering that we'll receive, and the closer we are to being aligned with with that, the more guaranteed happiness we're going to receive there.
• 54:49
  Toliy: There's no way around that.
• 54:50
  Toliy: There's no way around that, which is also, again, what makes life interesting, because, um, there is a reality and everybody has a perception.
• 55:05
  Toliy: Everybody, like, unless your brain dead, everybody has a perception that does not necessarily mean that it's right.
• 55:12
  Toliy: Yes, but everybody like that's always the thing that like yo, you know you're allowed to think whatever you want, you are allowed.
• 55:21
  Eldar: Yeah, but obviously when you, like you said, create your own stuff and understand it and it lines up closer to reality, it becomes more.
• 55:28
  Eldar: The more the merrier it becomes a multiplication thing.
• 55:32
  Eldar: I did it I'd love for you to do it and see it manifest and then observe it the more the merrier it has to be passed on.
• 55:42
  Eldar: It has also an intrinsic next level key which can again be infinitely unseen, but it's there to get to the more, more, more, more, more levels.
• 55:55
  Eldar: Right, it doesn't have to be just one person, it could be more people, and then it keeps going, and that's why this time, we're betting on ourselves, because it's over, yes or no.
• 56:11
  Eldar: Why do I say it like that, though?
• 56:15
  Toliy: I'm trying to fucking process what you're saying and you want me to fucking like you get it, man.
• 56:20
  Eldar: I'm rolling off of what you're saying.
• 56:21
  Eldar: Everything you're saying is profound.
• 56:23
  Eldar: It's true, I agree with it, and I'm fucking like holy shit, I'm building on it.
• 56:28
  Eldar: That's like an expansion more than anything.
• 56:31
  Eldar: That's crazy.
• 56:32
  Eldar: So like the reality on it, that's like an expansion.
• 56:34
  Eldar: You know more than anything.
• 56:37
  Mike: That's crazy.
• 56:37
  Mike: So, like reality, in reality operates in accordance with what Truth, and if we align it with that truth, then we live as close as possible to reality and we feel as best as we could.
• 56:47
  Mike: As best as we could.
• 56:48
  Mike: 100%, yeah, that's the equation.
• 56:56
  Eldar: So then, that's why I think that at least philosophers who had a little bit of wisdom right, they always ask questions and they didn't jump into certain conclusions because they knew how deep this really goes and where it can go, and they want to leave room for that error because, ultimately, that's pain.
• 57:09
  Eldar: Complete respect of like I know that I know nothing, you know what I mean, and that's the biggest respect of still.
• 57:13
  Eldar: Like I know that I know nothing, you know what I mean, and that's the biggest respect you can give.
• 57:16
  Eldar: Or humility, almost play right where like you're so humble and say like you know, I don't know, but I'd like to find out.
• 57:25
  Eldar: Right, I'm aware that it is, but I'm not sure what you know, kind of thing.
• 57:30
  Eldar: So and then you start asking questions.
• 57:34
  Toliy: Yeah, I think that, like, the true path of like, of self-development is the acknowledgement of, for example, like truth, or the acknowledgement of this compass right and the acknowledgement that you like to have an effort in place to align with it.
• 57:56
  Toliy: You know, and if not you understand to some degree at least, that there will be suffering.
• 58:02
  Eldar: Yeah.
• 58:03
  Toliy: You know, like that, that to me is like a like, a true path of like, of um self-development, for example.
• 58:11
  Eldar: That's funny, you say that, that you said, uh, recognize, actually recognize that there is going to be suffering.
• 58:17
  Eldar: Right, part of you know Buddha's teachings again is recognizing that part, and he states it very clearly there will be suffering and that is the path to not suffering.
• 58:30
  Mike: Yeah, which he just described is is the way to remove suffering.
• 58:39
  Mike: I mean, I know Buddhism says this, but the path to remove suffering is to remove attachment, because your attachment is typically not attached to the truth slash reality.
• 58:51
  Mike: Therefore you suffer.
• 58:52
  Eldar: Yeah, very simple equation.
• 58:55
  Mike: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Eldar: Like go practice it, right yeah.
• 58:56
  Eldar: Yeah, yeah, go, go make your Buddha did a fucking bad job.
• 59:02
  Eldar: Then you know is what I'm saying Did a bad job, fucking saying all these fucking words, if it's this simple but what?
• 59:09
  Toliy: but then you have to explain it in many words, maybe not one thing I find very interesting too is that I'm not sure if like could it be, because I think that a lot of people feel the opposite way.
• 59:26
  Toliy: So could it be that the actual destination is the real?
• 59:34
  Toliy: Is that realization?
• 59:41
  Toliy: well, that's interesting because people view it as that like, oh, like um, that like um.
• 59:52
  Toliy: Happiness is when you achieve, for example, like enlightenment, right.
• 1:00:01
  Toliy: But then I, I almost view it as I like.
• 1:00:03
  Toliy: When you achieve, for example, like, if, if we say like enlightenment, right, like you'll, you almost like um, I don't know if you're right.
• 1:00:18
  Toliy: If you've achieved, for example, enlightenment, let's just say right, are you?
• 1:00:22
  Toliy: Are you happier than the person that acknowledges and is on the path to enlightenment?
• 1:00:28
  Toliy: Yeah, like I, I always viewed as that that you don't need to figure everything out, you can, as long as you acknowledge that you have the ability and you have the um, um, like, uh, the opportunity, and you're working towards it in like a, a conscious way, um, then then you're on like a forever um um journey.
• 1:01:10
  Toliy: But if you've arrived at a destination, which, which is, say, the destination is enlightenment, I don't know if you have that same as good of a feeling.
• 1:01:22
  Mike: I don't know.
• 1:01:23
  Mike: It's the same thing with the fight After the fight's over.
• 1:01:27
  Mike: That's it right, After you reach the end of the fight, or you reach enlightenment, right.
• 1:01:31
  Toliy: Is that as exciting?
• 1:01:34
  Mike: You're more of just like I don't know like um I don't, I don't, I don't think.
• 1:01:42
  Mike: Yeah, I think it's, it's got to be the same, because then it's more of like you said it's like godlike reflection, like wow, look what I've created.
• 1:01:51
  Mike: How could you not be able to extract the happiness from it?
• 1:01:54
  Mike: Because now you just sit back and you watch.
• 1:01:56
  Mike: You're no longer actively on that journey.
• 1:02:00
  Mike: Right, you reach the destination.
• 1:02:04
  Mike: But then who has reached the destination in all aspects of life?
• 1:02:10
  Mike: Who's reached enlightenment in every single topic?
• 1:02:13
  Toliy: Yeah, nobody, every single time yeah nobody.
• 1:02:23
  Mike: Nobody that I know yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Eldar: So you guys solved it.
• 1:02:27
  Mike: No, no, it was a tough one.
• 1:02:32
  Toliy: Yeah, it just feels that.
• 1:02:34
  Toliy: The acknowledgement of being on a particular journey and then the quest to figure things out.
• 1:02:42
  Toliy: I'm wondering if that's a stronger feeling than the person who has figured it all out.
• 1:02:53
  Eldar: No, yeah, you're right.
• 1:02:54
  Eldar: That's why I think the journey is a good one, regardless of where you stand.
• 1:03:00
  Eldar: Yeah, you know.
• 1:03:02
  Mike: But the journey it's not consistent.
• 1:03:05
  Mike: Like you have ups and downs, right, you think that those are not necessarily pleasant, of course, but then when you reach that state where you, it's balanced out.
• 1:03:15
  Eldar: I think that's when you find peace.
• 1:03:16
  Eldar: Yeah, right, more so peace because everything is shaky kind of thing, right.
• 1:03:20
  Toliy: But then you're kind of like, okay, cool, now I know kind of the balance of understanding who you are and what you're about, the mitigation of like the like, like you can have a guaranteed hedge in your falls if, if you, if you um value like a learning and education 100, but I think that's a humble stance like it, it's a guaranteed, like hedge, you know?
• 1:03:46
  Toliy: because then you'll like yeah, okay, you mess up, but if you have the ability to acknowledge and see, like what happened, like what you learned from it or like what you can learn from it, you would have to have really good definitions of the word education and learning that you agree with, versus like, feeling like I don't know.
• 1:04:06
  Eldar: You know the examples of Harris when you're trying to teach him, right, you're sitting him down and you're like, hey, we're about to do this and he's thinking that he's being scolded, his association with learning is being bad.
• 1:04:15
  Eldar: You know what I mean.
• 1:04:16
  Eldar: So Tully's effort is almost to do what Redefine what learning actually is.
• 1:04:20
  Eldar: You know what I mean.
• 1:04:22
  Eldar: The Harris, we're about to go on this journey and the journey has pitfalls, but almost, trust me, you know, as a guide to get to a place where you're you're going to be okay.
• 1:04:35
  Toliy: He can't do that yet because association with learning is disciplinary, probably, or bad but it's also that like you need to like, you would need to also like like it is.
• 1:04:49
  Toliy: It's also an interesting thing that, like the idea of finding it interesting to learn, for example, it's like a thing where most people just want to have this remote to skip everything.
• 1:05:09
  Eldar: I like that.
• 1:05:09
  Toliy: They want the fight card to start, they want the intro, and then they want it to end and be in bed.
• 1:05:11
  Toliy: Now, go along the ride, I like that.
• 1:05:12
  Toliy: Like they want the fight card to start, they want the intro and then they want it to end and be in bed.
• 1:05:14
  Toliy: Yeah, you know, now go along the ride.
• 1:05:16
  Toliy: The ride, like I don't know.
• 1:05:17
  Toliy: You hang out, you talk, you discuss it, you go.
• 1:05:19
  Toliy: You know like, yeah, whatever you're doing, yeah, like like the whole time.
• 1:05:24
  Toliy: Right, you want the fast forwarding effect of like I don't know being rich, and like, like, like, like this is what people want.
• 1:05:37
  Eldar: Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Toliy: But they don't want to be like.
• 1:05:40
  Toliy: Hey, like I'm super excited that I have the ability to, uh, learn and put my learnings into practice and test out my theories to see if I align with the truth of those things.
• 1:05:58
  Eldar: Yeah, that's a nice one Like wow, what a scenario.
• 1:06:02
  Toliy: Yeah, let's get excited about that, right?
• 1:06:03
  Toliy: You know Like you consciously have the ability to actually go, learn and like, obtain and retain information, and then you have the ability to go play the game of like learn and like obtain and retain information, and then you have the ability to go play the game of like seeing if it works right, like building something, and then seeing, like seeing if it works, and then you're just on this infinite loop to continue to build towards it.
• 1:06:33
  Toliy: Like, what a great scenario.
• 1:06:35
  Toliy: Yeah, yeah, like.
• 1:06:38
  Toliy: What else do you need?
• 1:06:40
  Eldar: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:06:41
  Toliy: Right, but I think what's underlying in all of those scenarios is that the person feels that their self esteem and their character and everything that they're about is tied to those end things and not the journey of those things yeah, so then again, we're going back to the value they want to be rich, that's what they want because they feel that's when they're rich, they're going to feel a particular way.
• 1:07:09
  Toliy: Others are going to treat them a particular way.
• 1:07:10
  Toliy: Others are going to feel like feel towards them a particular way, others are going to feel towards them a particular way.
• 1:07:15
  Toliy: Right, yeah, and that they're going to have that feeling that they have things figured out and that life is good.
• 1:07:21
  Toliy: Right, like that's what they ultimately want, right, but they're convinced of that, which is why they have a wrong measuring stick, why they have a wrong measuring stick.
• 1:07:34
  Toliy: They have the wrong tools to be able to understand what's going on.
• 1:07:43
  Toliy: And then they go on the journey to see if they're right, but they don't have the ability to enjoy the day.
• 1:07:49
  Toliy: They don't have the ability to enjoy the journey because everything of who they exist is tied up to the end result as to what they're like.
• 1:07:54
  Toliy: Everything of who they exist is tied up to the end result as to what they're attached to.
• 1:07:58
  Toliy: You know, that's the only thing that keeps them breathing.
• 1:08:04
  Toliy: It's that feeling that they might get when they strike what they think they need to do to get that feel.
• 1:08:10
  Toliy: Why does everybody want to be rich?
• 1:08:17
  Toliy: Because they have a perception that they're tied to that.
• 1:08:21
  Toliy: This statement that I want to say is true, life is good and I will feel good.
• 1:08:27
  Toliy: That is a truth to them.
• 1:08:29
  Toliy: If this happens and that happens everything in between is just a waste of time.
• 1:08:37
  Eldar: That's it.
• 1:08:37
  Eldar: If this happens and that happens, everything in between is just a waste of time.
• 1:08:39
  Eldar: That's wild.
• 1:08:39
  Eldar: Did you cure it or not?
• 1:08:41
  Eldar: Because to me it works.
• 1:08:42
  Eldar: Is this the answer to happiness, when you recognize what you just said wholeheartedly and actually believe it?
• 1:08:51
  Eldar: There's a lack of words to be able to describe the phenomenon there.
• 1:08:53
  Eldar: Can't wholeheartedly and actually believe it.
• 1:08:54
  Eldar: Yeah, like you know, there's there's there's a lack of words to be able to describe the phenomenon, right, that like it registers really well.
• 1:09:00
  Eldar: Oh yeah, a hundred percent.
• 1:09:02
  Mike: You know, but does it register?
• 1:09:04
  Mike: But the thing is part of, yeah, it's, it's the chicken and egg thing in order to find about this information about the journey, you have to go on the journey.
• 1:09:11
  Mike: How do you go on the journey?
• 1:09:12
  Mike: By going on the journey.
• 1:09:13
  Mike: It's like it's a fucking redundant thing.
• 1:09:16
  Mike: It's like how do you tell somebody like, yeah, go on a journey so you can find the truth by going on the journey.
• 1:09:23
  Eldar: So would you say then what we're doing here, at least with Harris, of trying to get them on the journey of questioning right?
• 1:09:29
  Eldar: Of understanding is the most important thing and that everybody should tune in absolutely totally yeah, yeah, like the, the.
• 1:09:39
  Toliy: The way I viewed is almost like like however it have happened, like whatever you know roles that other people have, or like what, whatever happened, like I feel in internally that, like I have an opportunity to think, because I have an opportunity to think, because I have an opportunity to consciously think, I have an opportunity to learn and because I have an opportunity to learn, I have a guaranteed track.
• 1:10:08
  Toliy: I can be on a guaranteed track towards learning and optimizing and doing, and all it comes down to is the recognition of the opportunity that you have the opportunity to think consciously.
• 1:10:25
  Toliy: Everything else plays out guaranteed.
• 1:10:29
  Eldar: But you know what?
• 1:10:30
  Eldar: With that statement, totally, you again acknowledge and give thanks to who?
• 1:10:34
  Eldar: To Socrates.
• 1:10:34
  Eldar: You're again saying that I realize that I know nothing.
• 1:10:38
  Eldar: It's exactly what this means, right, right To acknowledge the fact that you can learn.
• 1:10:46
  Eldar: This is the acknowledgement of that.
• 1:10:48
  Eldar: You know something that you don't know, like you know of the fact that you don't know, and that's all you need.
• 1:10:55
  Toliy: Everything else is going to play out.
• 1:10:56
  Eldar: So is this a reincarnation of Socrates?
• 1:10:58
  Eldar: It's just a different way of seeing it.
• 1:11:00
  Eldar: It's the same shit.
• 1:11:02
  Toliy: Yeah, and one thing I was thinking about that I found very interesting is that, like, if that statement is true, that is also why like anxiety needs to be removed, because and like anxiety is the opposite way it's the guaranteed tracker to lose your mind and then you don't have the ability to think.
• 1:11:24
  Toliy: You know, you lose that.
• 1:11:26
  Toliy: Uh, you lose that yeah how's that been going?
• 1:11:28
  Toliy: By the way.
• 1:11:28
  Toliy: I mean it's definitely much better oh wow, okay good.
• 1:11:33
  Eldar: So if it was 10 out of 10 before, what is it now?
• 1:11:35
  Eldar: 9 and a half no, it's like if it was before.
• 1:11:41
  Eldar: Mike, you also look like a fucking lizard.
• 1:11:43
  Toliy: Monkey bro, you have the fucking thing I do yeah, I probably say like green paint 6 around 6.5, okay, wow that's a significant drop.
• 1:11:54
  Eldar: What are you gonna say?
• 1:11:54
  Eldar: Like Green pan 6 around 6.5, okay, wow, that's a significant drop.
• 1:11:54
  Eldar: So you're gonna say like Overall.
• 1:11:56
  Eldar: No, I mean from a 10 To a fucking 6.
• 1:11:58
  Eldar: Are you kidding?
• 1:11:59
  Toliy: me.
• 1:11:59
  Toliy: Yeah, like Like maybe bad days Is like a 6.5, good days is like 4 or 5 and probably in the middle.
• 1:12:06
  Eldar: Is 5, 6, but you're learning.
• 1:12:08
  Toliy: Like that you know Right Good.
• 1:12:11
  Eldar: Good for you, bro.
• 1:12:11
  Eldar: I mean, it's again like everything he's saying right, it's almost like hey, look, I'm the case study.
• 1:12:19
  Eldar: Right, at least for myself, right.
• 1:12:20
  Eldar: But if we align ourselves to the truth with the truth and stuff like that, and then also align ourselves with the humble approach of Socrates, who always said that I know nothing, so I'm willing to learn, right, he's saying, hey, just admit to yourself that you're willing to learn, and that almost is a bypass towards I know nothing, I'd like to learn, and that's what you need that step to be able to finally liberate yourself from the anxieties that are so tied closer to actually a very specific outcome that you only prove to yourself in your own head?
• 1:12:53
  Toliy: Yeah, I also think along the way Is that you want to prove to yourself?
• 1:12:54
  Toliy: yeah, I, I, I also think along the way like how, however way, we were created, like if, if, for example, if that was like like if we're a creation of god or or or whichever kind of forces, for example.
• 1:13:08
  Toliy: I think that, like, like, everyone has like a mind, right, but I think, based on like the choices that you take and the decisions you make, you almost like you have like a like a trialing period in life, right, and during this trial, uh, you need, you're almost like proving to the forces.
• 1:13:27
  Toliy: I feel like, do you need your mind or are you proving that you actually don't really need it, right, because if you're not going to use it, then like, then you just get put on the auto programming, yeah, and then you don't need it anymore.
• 1:13:41
  Eldar: They do it for you.
• 1:13:43
  Toliy: Yeah, you don't need to think anymore, you know?
• 1:13:46
  Eldar: So then you're just an energy bubble.
• 1:13:48
  Toliy: Yeah, you're just like a.
• 1:13:50
  Eldar: BTC, not sure.
• 1:13:52
  Toliy: Yeah, you're just like unfollowed, you know, yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Toliy: And then like, whatever happens, it's not you consciously thinking and making those decisions and like doing things right.
• 1:14:08
  Toliy: But if you prove that you need your mind and you're going to use it to progress in some kind of way, then I think, along the way, it's part of your realizations that you need to preserve it too.
• 1:14:21
  Toliy: That's when you need the proper rest.
• 1:14:23
  Toliy: Maybe you need to, more times than not, eat the proper things, for example, or exercise the proper ways.
• 1:14:32
  Toliy: Things, for example, or, like you know, exercise the proper ways you know.
• 1:14:39
  Toliy: Um, it doesn't mean that you need to like do everything perfectly or whatever, but, like you, you need like a, like a self preservation, you know, like mechanisms.
• 1:14:49
  Mike: Self preservation like in what sense?
• 1:14:52
  Toliy: Like for you to be put in a position where you can consciously think I think that you need to have efforts in place to preserve yourself.
• 1:15:01
  Toliy: You know, otherwise, um, you'll probably find it difficult to do.
• 1:15:08
  Toliy: That, you know, and that's like encompassing of every of everything.
• 1:15:13
  Toliy: Right like you, you can't be in like isolation, for example, like like you need social aspects to things.
• 1:15:20
  Toliy: Like you need, like um um interests.
• 1:15:24
  Toliy: Right like you, you like all all things that, like count, constitute, like um a human, that are, like, important things, you know so, fellas, she's saying something that is why I'm gonna end with this.
• 1:15:44
  Toliy: Oh shit, there is a train.
• 1:15:50
  Eldar: I have nothing to say after that.
• 1:15:51
  Eldar: There is a train.
• 1:15:53
  Eldar: There is a train there is a train alright, guys, thanks for watching.