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Letterboxd Confessions: “I’ll go home and watch it tonight” · Dos Amigos

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, this is Freddie Rodriguez and I'm Wilmer Valdorama Podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: They can enjoy how straight your hat is? Yes? That was.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you so? The first question? But I think
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  Speaker 2: it is my biggest petic.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was like, if I'm on TV with a
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  Speaker 1: cricket hat, it's embarrassing to try to talk about some
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  Speaker 1: stuff that matters, Like I can't talk about serious stuff.
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  Speaker 2: When my hat is like because your.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, really really cool to be back with everyone here, Freddy,
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  Speaker 1: I I miss you when we're not in the same
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  Speaker 1: room together. Uh, please don't make it weird. Well it's
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  Speaker 1: too late. He made it weird.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But today I thought, you know, we could start with
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  Speaker 1: something kind of fun, you know, and the reason I
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  Speaker 1: call it pron is because I think it's always so
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  Speaker 1: talent and so you know, you know, so so philosophical
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  Speaker 1: when we go into some of these moments and entertainment
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  Speaker 1: that kind of not only made us but shaped us.
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  Speaker 1: And we've done a lot of that in our internal
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, search for each other's histories and and
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  Speaker 1: our trajectory and the industry. But now as we think
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  Speaker 1: about it like a fun like a fan, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like can I be a fan here?
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  Speaker 2: Can I say?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you know, what are these movies that as a
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  Speaker 1: as a moviegoer we look at and somehow we see
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  Speaker 1: recreated over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: Like a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: People find these iconic movies right that we grew up watching,
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  Speaker 1: and today this next generation is almost watching them for
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  Speaker 1: the first time. And really they don't know that these
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  Speaker 1: movies have been re skinned after original movies that were
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  Speaker 1: the first one of its kind, and now they're like,
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  Speaker 1: it's like this kind of prototype, so they make the
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  Speaker 1: same movie with new characters. Right but without going to
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  Speaker 1: political deep diving on you know, the state of affairs
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  Speaker 1: of our industry right now, where you know, IP and
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  Speaker 1: reboots and sequels and prequels are so popular because they
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  Speaker 1: just can't trust the original content today. I thought they'd
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  Speaker 1: be really fun for us to kind of go down
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  Speaker 1: a list of four movies each you think of four
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  Speaker 1: movies that really changed the paradigmic how you saw film
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  Speaker 1: making and they made you love the movies. And we'll
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  Speaker 1: breaking down one by one, you know, you say one,
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  Speaker 1: I say one, and then you're like, we kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: let's see to see when we meet in the middle
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to this movie is because we might
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  Speaker 1: have the same movie in mind, right, But that's true.
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  Speaker 2: But I guess do you want to start? You want
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  Speaker 2: me to?
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  Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, you start, I'll start, Okay. My top top
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  Speaker 3: movie is Goodfellas. Okay. Now it's always hard for me,
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  Speaker 3: like when people go, what are you top four or five? Right,
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  Speaker 3: because you have like hardcorese and the files out there
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  Speaker 3: who are judging you, and like I judge my top
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  Speaker 3: four movies in the category of movies that I've seen
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  Speaker 3: thirty If I've watched this movie thirty times, then to
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  Speaker 3: meet it's one of my favorite movies. Right. There's no
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  Speaker 3: rhyme or reason.
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  Speaker 2: Behind or if it's on TV, you have to finish it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can't get in the car like you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be late because you gotta watch it.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those movies that I feel like it's
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  Speaker 3: fresh every time I see it, you know. And I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you a story behind that movie. When I first
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  Speaker 3: saw that movie. That movie came out my freshman year
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  Speaker 3: of high school, and I went to art school and
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  Speaker 3: I had a friend who would get us into the
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  Speaker 3: movie for free, okay, And it was called the Webster
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  Speaker 3: Theater in Bucktown, Chicago. And back then in Chicago, you
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  Speaker 3: would go to one theater, and if you want to
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  Speaker 3: be sneaky, you sneak to another theater. Then you sneak
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  Speaker 3: to another theater, especially when you're like fifteen years old, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so I was doing that and I went to
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  Speaker 3: one and I saw another one, and I snuck into
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  Speaker 3: this theater and Goodfellas was starting. It was like, right
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  Speaker 3: up the first frame, I had no idea what I
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  Speaker 3: was getting into. I sat down. That opening scene comes
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  Speaker 3: on Rayleiota, Robert de Niro, Joe Peshi in the car.
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  Speaker 3: They hear Frank Vincent's character in the trunk. They stop
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  Speaker 3: the car, they get out, Joe Peshi whops out this
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  Speaker 3: big kitchen knife, and he's just starts stabbing Frank Vincent
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  Speaker 3: in the trunk. I was fifteen years old, fourteen, and
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  Speaker 3: I'd never seen anything like that in cinema. And I
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  Speaker 3: was riveted. Man, I was paralyzed. I couldn't move a
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  Speaker 3: muscle and I sat there and I watched that two
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  Speaker 3: three hour movie without going to the bathroom, without moving nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I paid attention to every single frame of that film,
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  Speaker 3: and it changed my perspective in movies forever? Did it?
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  Speaker 2: Did it wake up something else in you?
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  Speaker 3: Like? Did it?
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  Speaker 2: Did you not? Did you not know that was possible
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  Speaker 2: in filming?
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  Speaker 3: I just knew that I was watching something profound. I
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  Speaker 3: knew nothing really about movies. I wasn't a cinema buff.
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  Speaker 3: I was in a movie, you know. But I knew
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  Speaker 3: that I was watching something different. I knew that I
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  Speaker 3: was watching something of greatness. And and I and my
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  Speaker 3: instinct told me that really early on in my life.
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  Speaker 3: And so it was like a tuning fork, right, And
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  Speaker 3: so now I wait for that tuning fork to to
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  Speaker 3: rear its head every time I watch a movie, to
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  Speaker 3: see if it's telling me if this movie is great
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  Speaker 3: or not. And that was the first one and it
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  Speaker 3: changed my life. And I got to tell Frank Vincent
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  Speaker 3: that story too, man one day before he passed away,
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  Speaker 3: God bless him, and he was like, oh, thank you man,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, you know, and I was like, dude, your
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  Speaker 3: movie changed my life. You know. I got to be
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  Speaker 3: a judge at the Tribeca Film Festival and I got
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  Speaker 3: to like tell them about that film. But it was transformative.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so amazing that you said that.
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  Speaker 1: I watched that movie in Spanish, But.
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  Speaker 3: How was that in Spanish.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because the performances are like they probably it
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  Speaker 1: probably hits harder in English, you know, but regardless, the
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  Speaker 1: movie was so undeniable, right, And then I watched it
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  Speaker 1: in English and I was like boom, Like it just
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  Speaker 1: hit me in so many different ways. I never thought
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  Speaker 1: like I seen performances like that, yeah, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: performances like that weren't uncoming, right, Like you watched the
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  Speaker 1: seventies and even a few movies in the sixties, like
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  Speaker 1: I think, like like The Last Weekend. Yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 1: movie that kind of lost weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a movie about so what the movie
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  Speaker 2: is about.
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  Speaker 1: The movie is about this this writer, the actor was
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  Speaker 1: Ray Melunt and he his performance was so I was
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  Speaker 1: taking at but the fact that it was that it
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  Speaker 1: was black and white and and and because I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this movie had to be one of the darkest movies
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  Speaker 1: of that time, and he was. I think he went
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  Speaker 1: an oscar too. It was nominated for multiple Oscars. And
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  Speaker 1: the movie was about this writer who has lost lost
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  Speaker 1: his way and you know, he was standing in front
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  Speaker 1: of this typewriter and he just couldn't start this page.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, he was an alcoholic, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: he will go back to this this one girl, and
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  Speaker 1: I believe she was, you know, a prostitute, and but
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  Speaker 1: he was like telling her everything, you know, that that
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to hear, and just like at the end,
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  Speaker 1: we just asked her for money so he can go drink.
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  Speaker 1: And it was really dark and the relationship was so complicated,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa, this is just a specific story.
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  Speaker 1: And I reckon when everybody to watch it, because that
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  Speaker 1: was one of those first movies. And I'm not like
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  Speaker 1: the guy who like, let's go back to the sixties
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  Speaker 1: and like, you know, I just watch these movies. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not you know, I I yes, I love cinema, and
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  Speaker 1: I've definitely that way in my later years and understanding
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  Speaker 1: where cinema really you know, I broke the ground. But
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  Speaker 1: this was one of those movies that like, I just
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  Speaker 1: like I watched it one day and it just absolutely
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  Speaker 1: fractured what was possible, and I was like, if that
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  Speaker 1: tone was possible, then right, I realized everything that was
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  Speaker 1: possible after.
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  Speaker 3: So you feel that it was the tone or the
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  Speaker 3: execution that resonated with you as opposed to like somebody's
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  Speaker 3: singular performance.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean their performances was they were incredibly grounded, right,
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  Speaker 1: they were humbling, and they were fracturing. They were very
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  Speaker 1: they were very grounded, you know, like for that time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everybody well you know talk like this, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, they were like that that you uh,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of you know, mentality, but I mean vibe
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  Speaker 1: and tone. So I was taken back by movies that
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  Speaker 1: was there was widen. Those performances were almost just so real,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was a groundbreaking enough that got
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  Speaker 1: nomin area for multiple Oscars. But you know, I go
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  Speaker 1: back to to the Goodfellas, you know, and I think
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  Speaker 1: about these performances, we're so liberating. You know, I felt
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  Speaker 1: like they were drawing with callers and that were you know,
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  Speaker 1: the way they were using the words, the way they
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  Speaker 1: would talk to each other and finish each other's sentences.
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  Speaker 1: It was like it was a different level of groundness.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that movieould definitely touched me as well.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think you think do you think that like
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  Speaker 3: like synergy has something to do with it, right, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, we've we've been making movies and TV for
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  Speaker 3: thirty years, right, and I've found that you could have
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  Speaker 3: a singular good performance, right, or you could have somebody
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  Speaker 3: write a really good story. But there's something about when
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  Speaker 3: you know that term, when when the planets aligned right,
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  Speaker 3: like like the planets are aligned and and there's a
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  Speaker 3: certain synergy that comes from the performance and the directing
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  Speaker 3: and the writing and the overall the perfect storm. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: That's what I felt like when I was watching that movie,
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  Speaker 3: Like there was this perfect synergy happening from all from
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  Speaker 3: all aspects of filmmaking. Where sometimes I'll watch a movie
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  Speaker 3: and I'll go, well, that dude's performance is awesome, but
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  Speaker 3: like there's something off about the editing or somewhere else
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Or the rhythm you know, yeah, And I think it's
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  Speaker 1: when you know, you think about Good Fellas and you
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  Speaker 1: think about the generation of gangster films. Yeah, you know
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  Speaker 1: the Italian you know kind of genre, the Italian American Italian.
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  Speaker 1: You know that it was out here doing it. And
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  Speaker 1: you talk about the Godfather, right, and the Godfather and
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  Speaker 1: Godfather too.
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  Speaker 2: You know where the Naro is is plaining, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's you.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing him become you know, who he's gonna be,
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  Speaker 1: and that those performances had this rhythm, and I think
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  Speaker 1: the culture really enhanced what these characters had to offer
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  Speaker 1: in the narrative tone, right, I think like that's the.
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  Speaker 3: The culture in the movie or the culture and.
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  Speaker 1: Like the Italian culture, right, I mean like the coren
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  Speaker 1: actor to fall back into their character traits, their values
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  Speaker 1: and speak.
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  Speaker 2: Authentically about what their values are.
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  Speaker 1: Because you talk about the Godfather, you know, these guys
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  Speaker 1: were real gentlemen, right, There were men of their word.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they were loyal you know and until until
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  Speaker 1: other people, until others.
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  Speaker 2: Weren't and and uh.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, so that's kind of stuff I really
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  Speaker 1: resonated as a Latino, you know, and as a brown man,
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  Speaker 1: I can really relate to some of the values, the
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  Speaker 1: family values, you know, the the you know, the spirituality
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  Speaker 1: part of it, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So, but I think it's I think culture.
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  Speaker 1: I think that those characters really, you know, just really
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  Speaker 1: came to life because they've rooted it softly in who
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  Speaker 1: they were as individuals as well, right like their culture.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's one of that's when it gets
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  Speaker 1: really unique, when an actor really performs to their strengths
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  Speaker 1: and leaning on what they really do know. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that I think maybe that's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: why I feel like Goodfellas to me also felt like
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  Speaker 1: you were watching something you weren't.
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  Speaker 2: Supposed to, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely some like inside something felt inside
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  Speaker 3: about it. Different world as opposed to like watching like
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  Speaker 3: a regular mobster movie, which which I'm sure all of
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  Speaker 3: it has it's it's it's levels of authenticity to it, right,
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  Speaker 3: but but there was something that was different about that
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  Speaker 3: one that, at fifteen years old, absolutely floored me like
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  Speaker 3: nothing has ever floored me before.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have the last weekend, yep, and we
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  Speaker 1: have Good Fellas.
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  Speaker 2: What's your next one?
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  Speaker 3: Carlito's way, Yeah, yeah, man, Carlito's way. You know mine
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  Speaker 3: shout out to Louis.
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  Speaker 2: Louis, Louis lou Louis from the Hood.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to John Ortiz and John Sata who's in
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  Speaker 3: that movie and like that movie and all that, uh
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  Speaker 3: I rec and that's a whole other subject's talk about. Look,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a yeah, it's a tough subject matter, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But but I I I try to I try to
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  Speaker 3: watch that movie objectively, right, I try to watch it
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  Speaker 3: with no preconceived notions going in. I just love the movie. Man.
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  Speaker 3: There was something different about that movie, the way that that, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the director used music and original score with that music,
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  Speaker 3: with that movie, it was almost poetic that I felt
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  Speaker 3: that these other movies didn't use those and and and.
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  Speaker 1: By the way those other movies there was rarely music.
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  Speaker 1: The music would come in at very specific moments.
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  Speaker 3: Of the act.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like there taking you from one act or
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  Speaker 1: the other that dude, h.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had that and Godfather or even like Goodfellas,
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  Speaker 3: where Scorsese was also sort of a music buff, right,
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  Speaker 3: so he used very specific music cues and that. But
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: but go back and listen to the original score in
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  Speaker 3: Carlito's way, and it's it's beautiful, man. It's his beautiful
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  Speaker 3: strings and something that you wouldn't expect to be in
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  Speaker 3: the background of something as gritty as like a film
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  Speaker 3: like that. And I just love, I love. I think
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  Speaker 3: the movie is beautiful and it's poetic. And I know
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: people have different opinions about Patino and his performance and
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  Speaker 3: him not being Puerto Rican all that stuff, but I
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  Speaker 3: still it still resonates with me. Man. I could watch
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  Speaker 3: I go home and watch it tonight and watch it
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  Speaker 3: like it's my first time watching it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, seems we're in the gangster of it all.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: I think I'll match you.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just as much of a controversial movie Scarface.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I just rewatched that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, man, from the first one, Dude.
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  Speaker 3: I just rewatched it. As I always say to myself,
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  Speaker 3: I've been going, I've been going on this journey and
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: I've been watching movies as an adult. You ever watch
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: movies now as an adult?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not as a kid? Not as like I'm gonna
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: go watch Scarface, like the sensationalism of it. Have you
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: watched it now as an adult? You have? And what
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  Speaker 3: do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple of things, right, Yeah, so
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: scarface to me felt like these two characters, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they kind of breezed through the immigration part of it,
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  Speaker 1: cams and whatever and all that stuff, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they really painted a picture that these Cubans were
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: here like just messing things up, right, Yeah, And and
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  Speaker 1: then it was like just an unhinged interpretation of two
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  Speaker 1: dudes that were just out there.
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  Speaker 2: Doing whatever they wanted to do, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And but it's an interesting question, you say, we watched
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  Speaker 1: it as an adult, How did how did how did
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  Speaker 1: he speak to me on that level?
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  Speaker 2: And and I.
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  Speaker 1: Think I felt like that era, this analog era of
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: pain payphones and convertible Cadillacs and like pastel colors in
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  Speaker 1: Miami felt like a different planet. And somehow I allowed
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: it in my mind, we gave it license to exist,
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  Speaker 1: not just rant free, but like no questions asked.
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  Speaker 2: I just went along for the.
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  Speaker 1: Ride and I didn't have to like poke holes on
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  Speaker 1: it because I was like, it just brings me back
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  Speaker 1: to like the first time I saw it.
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  Speaker 3: At the sensationalism of it, Yeah, because it's so big,
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  Speaker 3: say hello, like what the hell? But wasn't Miami kind
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  Speaker 3: of big at that time?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Larger than live, like the open silk shirts and you
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  Speaker 1: know and all that, and so do you.
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  Speaker 3: Think that maybe it was just an interpretation of what
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  Speaker 3: was what was really happening. I mean, look, are people
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  Speaker 3: in a mansion like with a big ass gun like that, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe back then, you know, you know, it probably is Miami.
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  Speaker 1: I think everyone was probably you know, liked and loaded
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  Speaker 1: over something, you know, but.
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  Speaker 3: But a reflection of like of like the externalism of
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: of like how people were right and how it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Just feels to me like it was this grounded world. Yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the movie was a grounded world. And then they told
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Paccino step on it or Patino just said, I'm going
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to play something so different than you've ever seen me do.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this is a different boss, It's.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: A different gangster he was playing, right, like, so he
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: just said, I got it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna play Q and I'm a little more external.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be a little more external because
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: he's been because every other gangster he played was so internal.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I go back to Scarface, uh Mooney too.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Sorry sorry, and that scar I go back to Godfather too.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my got Godfather too was so settle in the eyes. Yeah,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: he was he was saying monologues with his eyes. People
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: were talking around him, and the camera was just on him.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And then you go to Scarface and he's just like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: filling up the seventy millimeter like lens like he's just.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Filling it up.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: So I think he just I think that that opportunity
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: was making choices, Yeah, to go far, because if I'm
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: gonna play another gangster, I'm gonna go as far as possible. Yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, so it's a different type of gangster. And
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I think he he went very far.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it kind of I don't I don't know. Man,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: It obviously works, right because people to this day are
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: wearing Scarface T shirts and jackets. And at the time
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: it got panned, right, the film got panned, his performance
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: got panned. But I feel like sometimes people will make
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: these bold choices as an actor, right, and and people
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: crap on it in the beginning, and then and then
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and then it needs to sort of live in the ether.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: And then and then people like are like, oh, I know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: it's kind of big, but it's big, but it's still
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: grounded at the same time.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And I think I think critics and you know, cinema
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: has become more and more cynical. I think over time,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: every decade, we fracture fantasy, and we fractured boldness, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: we fracture originality. And when something is that different or
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that bold and it doesn't fit them all that everyone's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: leading into this is the trend of subtleness or independent
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: film making or whatever, then all of a sudden it
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: becomes like not good, you know, And there's something to
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: be said about the different cinematic narratives that actually are
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: needed to tell very specific stories and original cont and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: should be given the freedom to be at whatever frequency
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: they need to be to tell us, you know, to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: tell us what this is about.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And I think for him, uh, what really worked for
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: me is that the world was very real for Scarface,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: but he had to play someone that was a lunatic.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: He was just crazy and delusional and that you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: so you had to see him on hinch. I mean,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes in Scarface is when he's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: in the restaurant and he gets drunk and Michelle Fiffer
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: is there and he's just like, you know, say hello,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I do the bad guy. You know that that part,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like that was uncomfortable. That was like you know that
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: was grounded and real and that he really saw that moment.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: For me, I know, somebody who's done that in the restaurant,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: like completely made a scene. And so when I saw that,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. There's a
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: lot of that stuff. That's that's real man. I I
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you know, I unfortunately grew up in a in a
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: in a neighborhood uh somewhat similar and and there's some
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: there's some big characters in those neighborhoods and who are
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a part of that world and that underworld, I mean
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: people who are really external growing up in that type
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: of neighborhood. There are a lot of larger than life
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: characters like that man that that if you were to
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: meet them in real life, you're like, wow, if if
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: they were to put someone like this on screen, you
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: would think that it's unbelievable. Remember when when Snoop at
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: a time was hanging with that one pimp who used
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: to we.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Used to drive, we used to drive.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: The Bishop down Horn Like that's a real.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Dude, like like every MYSIC video with him.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: That's a real guy who lives his life like that
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: every single day, who.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Really addresses like that by the way, every up and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you know the pimp hat and the cane.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I grew up with some pretty
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: pretty colorful characters.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: You uh, send me a picture the other day with
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a very colorful outfit.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Which one? Which one? Which?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I think you were going to a dance or I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was a dance or something. You
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you were wearing white gloves. Oh, yeah, definitely, I know
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I understand that you that was kind of the neighborhood,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: For our mullet.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a ring over the white glove.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Dude, I had I had gold chains over the tie.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I gotta say it was it was a
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: different frequency. And I want to tell you something. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you call me to hang Yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to my closet and I'm doing the same thing.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And for those of you who are wondering what we're
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: talking about, you know, sometimes we send each other funny
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: pictures of our past or something. He came across a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: picture when I think when you went back home or something.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: And I went back home, and my mother always tends
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to break out, you know, old magazine articles and old
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: photos and you know, and she came across a photo.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I stood up and somebody's keen Signetta, which, for those
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: who don't know what a King Signetta is is somebody
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: sweet sixteen, right, but fifteen? And this was Wilmer and
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I have had multiple discussions about mullets and Dracar Noir
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and everything that pertains to that time period. And I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: came across a photo of me in a King Signetta
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: with the most killer mullet you'll ever see in your life, Freddy.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It was so iconic.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta sit over this photo, Freddy.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I want you to understand, like things were differ in
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: my house. I want you to understand that things really changed,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and I will be honest.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: For the better. Yeah, for the better.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I'm a believer, Yeah, I believe. And you you brought a.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Level, you up the game to such a degree that I, uh, yeah,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I owe you one. I owe you a picture back
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna tell you something. You're gonna realize how
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: much we were got at THEOD.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: We give you my picture.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be it better be a psychonic Oh no,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a legend.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: My mind is an immortal legend. When you see would
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you see what.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: You've show You've shown me some year old headshots?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, another are problem for me, they are a problem.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I have one photo.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I have one photo that I think might actually not
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: only brings us back together, well, we might, we might
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: move our families together. We might we might have to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: move into the same property because we're the same fucking
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: do it?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, So Scarface is your is your three? I think
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: for me my four or my three would be there
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: will be blood. Wow. Yeah, there's something about that movie
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that I can just right now, I can just go
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: watch it and there's just something, like I said, I
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's the alchemy of it with everyone
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: involved in his performance, there's just something that's so magical
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: to me about the way that film is executed. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Daniel day lewis right, he's one of those actors that
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: every time he does something, it's so it's so magnificent
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: to me, you know, I just I just think it's
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: a It's a wonderful film.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I think I would say, like.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Rocky yeah, right, because when you think about those movies
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that became prototypes when it comes to like the underdog stories,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I mean they had to do. They made probably two
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: hundred movies of the that had one that had this
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: underdog story, two that had a training montage, right, you know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and and you think about like this, you know, single
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: led guy who goes against all odds, you know. And
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: also that was a prototype for every sports movie, every
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: sports movie, those acts were identical if you think about
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: all the you know, the the you know the you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: losing then winning, then losing again to as still as
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a win.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: You know that that little sequence I think was was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: part of that, that prototype, and I think Rocky what
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: it what it did for me was, you know, it
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: became this inspiration. I mean even you know we were
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier House tallone you know, was able to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: champion that movie and get it made and stuck stood
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: by his you know, he stood his ground and said, no,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I got to play the guy.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: No one can't play this guy but me. I know
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: what I got to do.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And that's why I wish he never died and any
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: of the last that likes to create movies, yeah, you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: like it's and I also wish that he wouldn't.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: But then what would he have done, though, Like what like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: you wish you wouldn't have died, and then what I've
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: still been the trainer.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I think he could have been like Mickey, you know.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: But also I also like he he went through such turmoil,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Like I wish he would have just been like a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: happy ending for him because he gave us so much.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like I wish that he would have retained
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: some of his money, Like why did he have to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: be broke? Why did he have to be sick? Why
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: did he have to be all those things? Like is
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it because most you know boxers and that way, I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: get it, I get it, But why if he didn't, right, Like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: what would it done to the boxers of the future.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You know, we could have kept a little bit of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: my money and you know, yeah a restaurant dude went
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: up to the restaurant. Yeah, you know, and you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to me, it's like for him to die alone, and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of crazy. I don't know, it
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: just I don't know, but I get why. It feels
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like smart. But you know, there's some boxes that I made.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: You know, Look, Oscar has a promotional thing and you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, you know, but I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: think Rocky to me, when you think about a movie itself,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that's another one that painted such a realistic interpretation.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: About what his world was like. Even the moment where
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: he's like where is he? Where is he? Where Isy?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He just pulls up outside the window of the priest
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and goes, oh, he was wondering.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: If you can give me a blessing.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I've got the biggest part of my life, and you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I come back in
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: one piece, you know, like whatever.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And I think that that that was like, oh, man,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: like this is an Italian guy.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I gotta go to the priest. I gotta get a
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: little blessing before I go do my thing, you know.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that movie I just saw.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: We were talking about Robert Rodriguez and when we were
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: working together, he had went out of town for something
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: and he came back and I was like, I was like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: where'd you go? He goes, oh, man, I want to
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: go meet with stallone. He showed me his new movie,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: his new Rocky And this is the one that you're
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: talking about that he had the restaurant, the one with yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: By the way, big shout out to Milo one of
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the most amazing people. Parade man, incredibly talented, and he's yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: we should have him on too, because he's he's just amazing,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: great stories too, Like.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we gotta have him on.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite people.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: He had come back and and and mind you, there
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: was a big gap right between the previous Rocky and
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that Rocky, the one that he was in. And I
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: remember him coming back and saying to me, I mean
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I just saw Stallon's Rocky, which he you know, stepped
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: back into the director's chair, he directed it, he wrote it.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: This was like his baby again. And I don't know why.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I think maybe because the Rocky that was prior to that,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: what was I don't think it was great. I was
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: a little cynical, man, I'm not gonna lie. I was like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: really man, He's like, no, dude, I'm telling you, it's
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: really good.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: So what was the storyline of that one? Again? You
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: know they had the restaurant right, and.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: He was just like, oh you mean that one with Milo? Yeah? Yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Well Adrian dies right, and and you know you kind
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: of see him visiting her grave and he he's just
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: like a like a like a washed up boxer who like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: you know, tell stories at a restaurant and then uh,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: what's that? What's the real boxer who was in that
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: movie comes back and they're like, hey, it's just sort
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: of an exhibition, you know, and and he kind of
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: steps back into the ring with Mickey Guns. Right.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: What was it Tommy Guns?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: No?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, that that was one the street brow right.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: That was the one before before.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that was and unfortunate.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah it wasn't. So that's why I was cynical.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But it's like with the video game, right, they're like, oh,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: in the video game, Rocky beats this real boxer. Yes, right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and then they're like, what is do an exhibition and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: see where it really wins?
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: You know. He's like, don't do what are you talking about?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: But what was so genius about that movie? And you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: and I was, like I said, I was cynical. Was
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: that Stallone made it like this really deep father and
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: son's story and like the loss of his wife's story.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I was expecting her to be dead. And I remember
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: watching it on the plane and going like all, Robert said,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: this movie is good, and I put it on and dude,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: like like a quarter into the movie, man, I start
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: freaking crying on the airplane.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: That's the loan. Dude, you knows that. I you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I hit the strings and a tear comes.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Down and I'm like, oh my god, I'm on an
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: airplane like crying in this movie.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: That speaks too, this speech that it's played in every
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: gym and it's written on every wall.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: You know, anohing's gonna hear you harder than life. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: It's brilliant at that. But that's a good one, bro. Well,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: all right, since we're talking about boxing, like Raging Bull,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, there's another one that to me, yes,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: he ranks Scorsese Goodfellas Raging Bull. Yeah, Like I could.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: That's another one that I've seen thirty times. I could
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: put it out right now and watch it. There's something
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: about the execution and the simplicity of that, right. But
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: but as we talk about sort of a boxer's trajectory,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I felt it was very indicative of a boxer's a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: boxer's trajectory, right ending up as that guy he's like
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: forty pounds heavier, Yeah, and he's like at a restaurant
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: telling a story.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: And then the nero said in an interview was like
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'll never do that again, you know what I mean.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: He was like the weight, Yeah, yeah, he's like that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: was that was a challenging thing for him to do,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to put on the weight. Yeah, yeah, I do it
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: all the time. Man, I don't know what's a problem.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: It's very easy for me. Three weekends, man, I get
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: to you know, say action.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: I'm ready, I'm ready, okay for this fourth movie, the
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: final final installment into this four movie journey list.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Pick something now that that is so unexpected, you know
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that somehow it was original. I think like those movies
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: kind of fall in the eighties sometimes for me, you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it's like those colorful movies, you know, like.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I think like the.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Like what resonated as a kid, like Back to the.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Future, right, Like, let me see back to the Future
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: is one that really like and I watched all of them. Yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I just I just love the Back to the Future movies.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, well that's really possible. Terminator, yeah, you know Predator, Yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you know those movies that like we're just this single
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: singular stamp of like you'll make this movie again with
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: different actors and different monsters, or you make this movie
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: again with you know, in the future, it'll time travel
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: with different you know, with the same formula. You know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: don't change, don't don't mess with the past, right and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: don't definitely mess with the future, right. Like It's like
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it's always kind of some some things. So what would
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: be one of those for you?
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Oh? Man, we're talking about movies like when we were kids. Yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: you know, like, man, I remember watching like The Last
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: star Fighter. You ever see that one? Very good? You know?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Or or Gremlins.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Gremlins, Bro, that's another one.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Dark Crystal. Did you ever see the Dark Dark Crystal?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: I just missed those movies? Man, I miss those type
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: of like big Spielberg and.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Practical stuff probably like the puppeteering and the thing that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: made it feel like you could touch it, that could exist,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I missed those, man. I missed those types of movies,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: and they always and the storytelling was always really good
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: on those. But I don't know I have those been replicated.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's a really good one.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I mean when you think about like, like see how
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you you talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Which ones that you said? You said the Dark Crystal? Right,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: never ending story, never ending story? Right?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You think about also, like you know, the Harry Potter movies, right,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Dark Crystal, really like these are movies, these are books
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: really kind of like have inspired this multiple generations, you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: but the tonal of things of these movies, you know
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: where they never ending story. I mean, I think about
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you know, what's another one that could mimic that? Again,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: these movies were so original, I was they were hard
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to duplicate, but that's the formatic or blueprint of the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: narrative was replicated with different with different journeys.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to think what would be one
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: that's I mean, any any of those like you were
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: we were just talking about, like The working Man that
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: just came out, you know, shout out to David Ayr
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: who had a hit movie out. But I like that
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: they're going back to like that kind of like the Guy,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: you know, like you were just you just named a
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: slew of like Arnold Schwarzenegger, like singular man's you know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: like I love the Commando.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Another Father Daughters, that's his story.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, true Lies. I just saw True Lies the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: other day man. Probably the best stunts, the best I've
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: ever ever seen.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: A Harry the Plane that what was it that? Oh,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: come on, bro, I mean that movie gives me anxiety.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Man, I'm like it's so, I mean, what movie have
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: you seen after that that has had real stunts like that?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: The only one and it basically doesn't even fall anywhere
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: near this category would be Rush Hour and that one
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is a prototype of Litho weapon, but a lot more comedic,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: right Letho weapon?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got it right.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know got it writing so many uh and
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that was a Donner right, a producer uh and director.
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  Speaker 3: But I missed those movies, man.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean there was something very very organic and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: real about those you talked about Greenlins, you know, that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: movie to me was so crazy invative, like just those poppets,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: those things, you know, those things were really banana's. The
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: fact that they couldn't eat after midnight, that you couldn't
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: have water on their skin, you know, so what did
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that mean?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: They couldn't if they if they eat after midnight.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: But until on soil sunrise, but then after sunrise they
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: could eat well.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Like every day is after my yes, yes, yes, well
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: it's like I think that the science was that, Like, dude,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: like if they somehow after midnight they become these monsters,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and I don't know what the metaphor of that was.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And then we got to look up at the met.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Was it like midnight to like sunrise or.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Something like that, But yeah, because then it was one
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: long night of hell, right, and I.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Think that's kind of what it was.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And then Gizmolo so you couldn't put water on his
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: skin because it will multiply.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that all that stuff is going.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Can you believe that that's considered like a Christmas movie?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I was trying to watch that with the kids this
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Christmas and there, and they're kind of like, that's a
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Christmas movie.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess it is.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Man, I really wanted to watch it this Christmas. Ghostbusters, Yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: yeah for that one. I remember having that one on
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: video cassette. Did you guys have that in Venezuela, like
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: like just the collection of that you just do. There
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: was something about having the video cassettes when I was
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: a kid. It's like, well, this weekend, although I've seen
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: it ten times, we're going to rewatch it again.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I watched what did you have on video cassette in
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Venezuela that Yeah, Cobra.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And I played that out Bro I used to love that.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: You're the disease, not the cure. Yeah, I remember, I
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: remember we had like I remember Death Wish, Death Wish
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: one and Charles Bronson. You know what was what was?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: What was? What was Chuck Norris's franchise?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: And he had the Seals right? There wasn't he in
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like the Navy Seals or something. Strike Force wasn't it?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: It was like Delta Force. That's what he was in.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Like you know that motorcycle had missiles. I didn't really, Yes,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: there was that sound and he just shot the motorcycle.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Wa man, Delta Oh Man. I smember my dad watching
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: all that. You ever seen this documentary called Electric Boogoloo
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: and it was about it was about the company that
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: produced all those movies. They were called Cannon Cannon Films.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: These two guys from Israel, and they're the ones who
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: did the break in movies. But they did all the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Death Wish movies and and Porky's and like you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: they brought all that stuff from his Porky Wow for
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Porky's Wow. Dude.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just I hope that everyone who's listening
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: or watching us now can literally just grab a little
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: piece of paper. Right, all these movies, if you haven't
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: watched them, if you've never heard of him, treat yourself
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to the history of cinema, not just as we know it,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but as as it's been recreated over and over and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: over again. In the likeness of all the movies.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: They can do a port they can do it. Porky's
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: now and what about you boy, Tom Hanks Bachelor Party?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: We had that on video because that's amazing.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Watch that over now the way think about risky business,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: risky business?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You make that movie now right?
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Right? What was it? What was the premise of that movie?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Parents go out of town?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He throws this party, but no he starts ay, I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: think he starts in uh nescal business or something.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Does he have like all these you know, these dancers
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: of the night in something work at his house?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Remember, like he just started a business with with I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: gonna remember what's the log land on that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Movie Ectatic When his parents leave on vacation for a
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: few days. High school senior Joel good and cuts luice
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: with his best friend Miles after an attempt at securing
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: the services of a prostitute, goes goes slightly ari Joel
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: hires gorgeous Lana for a night of delight, Stunned by
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: the amount of Lana's bill. The next morning, Joel grows
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: frantic after he crashes his father's Porsche in an effort
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: to raise lots of money fast. Desperate, Joel turns the
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: house into a brothel.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, come on, dude, that's Tom Cruises one.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: That's one of Tom Cruise's biggest pop culture movies of
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: all time. And people don't remember that, remember that premise.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: They only when they think risk of business. They only
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: think about him sliding across the floor and the socks
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and in the dress shirt.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing that will remember. But if you
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: listen to that tagline, come on, man, he was a pimp. Yes,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: you go to make that movie now, it's a teenager.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Pip teenager Tom Cruise pimp.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: That's kind of insane, right, that's a bitch, that's a pitch.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Here's my pitch, Tom Cruises the teenage. Can't wait for this, dude.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: You know what else we had on video cassette? Did
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: you did you ever have did you ever watch Revenge
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: of the Nerds? Of course, I mean eventually they wasn't that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: As an actor I think Paul Figure was in that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Was he really? I know?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe not?
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim Bussfield and like a but but the original
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: one is so well executed. And then they and then
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: you see two and three and.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: They they made a lampoon.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they became kind of caricatures of themselves. But the
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: first one was so grounded. James Cromwell was in that movie.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: And Anthony Edwards from from uh Er he played one
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: of the nerds. And and James Cromwell played his dad.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: In that movie you remember stand by Me? Yeah, of course, man,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Wow, Rob Reiner directed that movie.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Was in theaters, dude, and you could have made that
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: movie again right now?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Like could that movie ever be? It was the four kids.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: They they go on this thing, they find a dead body.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: See see what I'm talking about?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: See the coloration he see the common denominator about these movies. Yea,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you know, there was something really live altering happening. It
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: was rooted and and the environment, it was rooted in
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: their journey as people. And uh, you know, they don't
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: write characters like that anymore. They don't write stories that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: are that de boignant and like that heart hitting. Yeah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it's It's a shame because stand by Me
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: is like, yeah, what if what did you come across?
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: That? And that cast River Phoenix Jerry O'Connell, like, man,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: oh man, Rob Ryaner directed that movie. Yeah, so so
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: well done. Oh man? You know what else? Did you?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: We had a Field of Dreams on video cassette. Bro,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: you see Field of Dreams?
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course, if you're building, they will come.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Tim Buzzfield was also in that movie. He played the
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I think what was he? Yeah, I think he.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Played that was I think that's Kevin Costner's probably most
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: iconic movie, right, I mean Untouchables was great. Yeah, Dancing
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: with Wolves I think it was pretty big for him too,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Which one you think I think Dancing with Wolves was
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: probably the biggest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, by by far, by far,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: But I love him and Untouchables. Yeah, but that was
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: like also very popcorn right, like yeah, like yeah.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Field the Dreams was so like like original, and I
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: don't know if they've remade that one at all or
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: even taken the blue print.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: He's done a few tributes to it in in Major
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: League Baseball where he walks out of the field and
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: audiences just go nuts, because in real life, yeah, Oh really,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. It was very cool. What else
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: did you have on video cassett and video cassette? I
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: had to stand by me?
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I think we've talked at extend about robo Cup. I
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: had RoboCup. I had a RoboCup.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, robo Cup is a big one for me. That
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: one's one that I used to watch.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I've said this many times before, but there was one
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: movie theater in the small town I grew up in Venezuela,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and they played robo Cup all year around. So that's
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the movie. I will go watch it and the movie theater.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: What else did I have? I've had, uh D Cobra had,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I had Rocky Terminator, you know. Of course Terminator is
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: like Staple, you had to have that VHS. And then
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: other movies that the really kind of mind bended cinema
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: at the time. I mean Jaws, yeah, right, like Jows
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: was the product that the monster you don't see, yeah
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: until it shows itself at the end, you know, accidentally
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: but also now on purpose in every movie you know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Did they ever play the Warriors in Venezuela?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Warriors clink clean, clean clean clean, come out and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: play that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: A profound effect on me. We had family in New
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: York during that time, and I was like, whoa, that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: how it is in New York pre Internet. Yeah, it
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: was like my perception of what New York was like
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: that Walter Hill directed movie excellent.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Occasionally in Halloween you see people bringing that those customs back,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and I think some people are like, what.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Is that the baseball Furies and all that?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, those movies are you know, I
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: think when when we start really thinking about those films
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and not just the role they played in us as
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: as an artist, you know, but also just the audience
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: as just simply as people that just went to the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: movies or watched the movies.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: It really redefined cinema.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: And I hope that, you know, that the innovation of
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: those movies doesn't stay and independent in the independent film world,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: like I hope that it gets it makes a comeback
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to you know, to to cinemas, to to to the theaters,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: because nowadays, you know, streaming is the place for a
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: lot of these movies, and sometimes it's really hard to
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: find them, you know, there's just so much out there available.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: But the theaters was a beautiful experience. Occasionally you see
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: anniversary screenings of some of these movies, and and and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: it's beautiful to re experience it and in theaters. But
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: is there any other movies you want to share?
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: What else? What else had an effect on me? You know?
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I remember in high school, like I had, I had
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: deep cover on on on on video cassette. Did you
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: ever see that Laurence fish Laurence Fishburne and Jeff Goldbloom
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: such a such a great great film.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: We speaking of Jeff the Fly. Oh yeah, yeah, David click,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Come on, don't make movies like that anymore?
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Man? Oh man, No, they don't. Isn't a shame, you know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: they don't make movies like that anymore? You know. I
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: hope we get to a place where where commerce and
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: art starts to strike more of a balance more, you know.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Or or that or that art but not I wouldn't
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: say art, but with our industry gives audiences a little
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: more credit. Yeah, you know you talk about if if
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: if you build it, they will come right like that's
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: you know that they they only feel safe producing those
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: independent films, you know, because they just they feel like
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: people want massive world ending stories if you're going to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: bring them to the movie theaters, but occasionally just run
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: away the runaway you know, uh, you know runaway hits
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like get Out, you know where, like that was incredibly
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, original, and but they're not betting on those
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: horses anymore, right, So I think it's slowly We're gonna
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: have to just slowly really kind of champion with that,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: and all of us have to create kind of a
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: network of actors and artists are saying like, hey, let's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: stick by this, Let's make these movies. Let's prove that
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the audiences are you know, have been waiting for for
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: these two comeback to cinema, so you know, we'll see
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: how it goes. But either way, this was another really
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: fun conversation at those yeahs. Thank you everyone for listening
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: and send us your movies. Tell us what to uh
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: you know what you guys, what you guys grew up watching.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: We love to uh, we love to hear that.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you grew up watching what was in your
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: video cassette drawer? What was in your DVD drawer? What
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: is I want to know why what you grew up
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: watching and why those movies resonated with you absolutely?
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: What's a video cassette drawer.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: You gen Zer you, Leo.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know gen Z Wanna Beard.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: You know that guy's at three six Mafia over there, right,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: So wait, what.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Do you are you Jen.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Lenia? Yeah?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well until the next episode of Those Amigos, I'm
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Wilmer abal Dorama.
• 49:38
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