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Winter Baseball Stories: Jon Matlack and Bob Apodaca Share Their Memories · WGBB Sports Talk New York

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  John
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  Matlak.
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  John,
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  good
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  Bill.
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  John,
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  who
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  Reds.
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  11th
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  a
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  run
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  lead
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  the
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  home
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  run
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  hit
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  him
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  and
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  we
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  losing.
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  who
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• 4:34
  that?
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  Who
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• 4:35
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  Red?
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  Tony
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  John.
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  Mets
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  lose
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  the
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  game.
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  we
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  know
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  spring
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  got
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  off
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  a
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  start.
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  you
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  low
• 5:01
  era.
• 5:02
  And
• 5:02
  you
• 5:03
  ended
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  season
• 5:04
  15
• 5:04
  and
• 5:04
  10
• 5:05
  at
• 5:05
  2.32
• 5:06
  era.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:07
  you
• 5:08
  went
• 5:08
  on
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  win
• 5:08
  the
• 5:09
  Rookie
• 5:09
  of
• 5:09
  the
• 5:09
  year,
• 5:09
  as
• 5:09
  we
• 5:10
  said.
• 5:10
  And
• 5:11
  just
• 5:12
  a
• 5:12
  tremendous
• 5:12
  year.
• 5:14
  It
• 5:14
  was
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  good
• 5:15
  year.
• 5:15
  There
• 5:16
  was
• 5:16
  no
• 5:16
  question
• 5:16
  about
• 5:16
  that.
• 5:17
  All
• 5:17
  things
• 5:17
  sort
• 5:17
  of
• 5:18
  fell
• 5:18
  into
• 5:18
  place.
• 5:18
  I
• 5:19
  think
• 5:19
  actually
• 5:20
  we
• 5:20
  had
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  little
• 5:21
  more
• 5:21
  timely
• 5:21
  hitting
• 5:21
  or
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  made
• 5:22
  one
• 5:22
  or
• 5:22
  two
• 5:23
  fewer
• 5:23
  mistakes.
• 5:24
  Could
• 5:25
  have
• 5:25
  won
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  couple
• 5:26
  more
• 5:26
  ball
• 5:26
  games
• 5:26
  in
• 5:27
  there.
• 5:27
  But
• 5:28
  it
• 5:28
  was.
• 5:29
  All
• 5:29
  in
• 5:29
  all,
• 5:29
  it
• 5:29
  was
• 5:29
  a
• 5:30
  very
• 5:30
  solid
• 5:30
  year.
• 5:30
  And
• 5:31
  it
• 5:31
  was
• 5:32
  sort
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  ironic
• 5:32
  because
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  had
• 5:33
  no
• 5:33
  idea
• 5:34
  there
• 5:34
  was
• 5:34
  such
• 5:34
  a
• 5:34
  thing
• 5:34
  as
• 5:35
  a
• 5:35
  rookie
• 5:35
  of
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  European,
• 5:36
  the
• 5:37
  green
• 5:38
  rookie
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  I
• 5:38
  was.
• 5:40
  Until
• 5:40
  the
• 5:41
  sports
• 5:41
  writers
• 5:42
  started
• 5:42
  coming
• 5:42
  around
• 5:43
  in
• 5:43
  August
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  asking
• 5:44
  me
• 5:44
  did
• 5:45
  I
• 5:45
  think
• 5:46
  I
• 5:46
  might
• 5:46
  win.
• 5:46
  And
• 5:47
  I
• 5:47
  had
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  ask
• 5:48
  them
• 5:48
  what
• 5:48
  it
• 5:48
  was.
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  didn't
• 5:49
  Even
• 5:49
  know.
• 5:50
  And
• 5:51
  now
• 5:51
  at
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  end
• 5:51
  of
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  season,
• 5:52
  everybody
• 5:53
  knows.
• 5:53
  John,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  gave
• 5:54
  up
• 5:54
  Clemente.
• 5:55
  The
• 5:55
  Great
• 5:55
  Clemente
• 5:56
  got
• 5:56
  his
• 5:56
  3,000
• 5:57
  hit.
• 5:57
  It
• 5:57
  was
• 5:57
  a
• 5:58
  double
• 5:59
  to,
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  believe,
• 6:00
  to
• 6:00
  left
• 6:00
  center
• 6:01
  field.
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  saw
• 6:02
  it
• 6:02
  on
• 6:02
  TV
• 6:03
  and
• 6:03
  that
• 6:03
  worked
• 6:04
  out,
• 6:04
  folks,
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  be
• 6:05
  Roberto
• 6:05
  Clemente's
• 6:06
  final
• 6:06
  hit
• 6:07
  in
• 6:07
  a
• 6:07
  great
• 6:08
  career.
• 6:09
  And
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  believe
• 6:09
  Duffy
• 6:10
  Dyer
• 6:10
  said
• 6:10
  at
• 6:11
  one
• 6:11
  point,
• 6:11
  John,
• 6:12
  that
• 6:12
  he
• 6:12
  just
• 6:13
  put
• 6:13
  down
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  wrong
• 6:13
  fingers.
• 6:14
  Is
• 6:14
  that
• 6:14
  what
• 6:14
  happened?
• 6:16
  Well,
• 6:17
  that's.
• 6:17
  The
• 6:18
  catchers
• 6:18
  like
• 6:18
  to
• 6:18
  explain
• 6:19
  that.
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  don't
• 6:21
  know
• 6:21
  that
• 6:21
  it
• 6:21
  was
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  wrong
• 6:22
  finger.
• 6:22
  I'm
• 6:23
  trying
• 6:23
  to
• 6:23
  backdoor
• 6:23
  a
• 6:24
  curveball
• 6:25
  and
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  was
• 6:26
  upset
• 6:26
  when
• 6:26
  it
• 6:26
  left
• 6:26
  my
• 6:26
  hand
• 6:27
  because
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  knew
• 6:27
  it
• 6:27
  wasn't
• 6:28
  going
• 6:28
  to
• 6:28
  be
• 6:28
  a
• 6:28
  strike.
• 6:28
  And
• 6:29
  I'm
• 6:29
  thinking
• 6:29
  I'm
• 6:29
  going
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  be
• 6:30
  behind
• 6:30
  in
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  count.
• 6:30
  Yeah,
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  a
• 6:31
  tough
• 6:31
  hitter.
• 6:32
  And
• 6:33
  he
• 6:34
  took
• 6:34
  his
• 6:34
  big
• 6:35
  stride
• 6:35
  as
• 6:35
  he
• 6:35
  usually
• 6:36
  does,
• 6:36
  and
• 6:37
  hands
• 6:37
  stayed
• 6:37
  back.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:38
  I'm
• 6:39
  waiting
• 6:39
  for
• 6:40
  the
• 6:40
  ball
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  be
• 6:40
  caught
• 6:41
  for
• 6:41
  ball.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:42
  he
• 6:43
  reached
• 6:43
  all
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  way
• 6:43
  across
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  plate
• 6:44
  and
• 6:44
  slapped
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  thing
• 6:45
  in
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  left
• 6:45
  center
• 6:45
  field
• 6:46
  and
• 6:46
  ended
• 6:47
  up
• 6:47
  being
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  double.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:48
  I
• 6:48
  was
• 6:48
  surprised
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  he
• 6:50
  was
• 6:50
  able
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  hit
• 6:51
  it
• 6:51
  number
• 6:52
  one.
• 6:52
  Number
• 6:52
  two
• 6:53
  was
• 6:53
  the
• 6:53
  result
• 6:53
  that
• 6:54
  it
• 6:54
  was.
• 6:54
  And
• 6:55
  number
• 6:55
  three,
• 6:56
  even
• 6:56
  more
• 6:56
  surprised
• 6:57
  why
• 6:57
  they
• 6:57
  were
• 6:58
  giving
• 6:58
  him
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  ball
• 6:58
  at
• 6:59
  second
• 6:59
  base
• 6:59
  because
• 6:59
  I
• 6:59
  had
• 7:00
  no
• 7:00
  idea
• 7:00
  it
• 7:01
  was
• 7:01
  his
• 7:01
  3,000th
• 7:02
  hit
• 7:02
  until
• 7:02
  I
• 7:03
  saw
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  3,000
• 7:03
  on
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  scoreboard.
• 7:04
  Ah,
• 7:05
  yeah,
• 7:06
  a
• 7:06
  great
• 7:07
  milestone
• 7:07
  for
• 7:08
  Clemente.
• 7:08
  Yeah,
• 7:09
  a
• 7:09
  great
• 7:09
  bad
• 7:10
  ball
• 7:10
  hitter,
• 7:10
  John.
• 7:11
  So
• 7:11
  it
• 7:11
  was.
• 7:11
  It
• 7:12
  was
• 7:12
  really
• 7:12
  no
• 7:12
  fault
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  yours.
• 7:13
  As
• 7:13
  you
• 7:13
  said
• 7:14
  you
• 7:14
  expected
• 7:15
  to
• 7:16
  be.
• 7:16
  Have
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  pitch,
• 7:17
  called
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  ball
• 7:18
  and
• 7:18
  Roberto
• 7:19
  reaches
• 7:19
  out
• 7:19
  and
• 7:20
  hits
• 7:20
  it.
• 7:21
  One
• 7:21
  bounce
• 7:22
  to
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  wall.
• 7:23
  Yeah,
• 7:23
  he
• 7:24
  hit
• 7:24
  it
• 7:24
  pretty
• 7:24
  good
• 7:25
  and
• 7:25
  he
• 7:25
  had
• 7:26
  that
• 7:27
  quick
• 7:27
  hands
• 7:27
  and
• 7:27
  tremendous
• 7:28
  hand
• 7:28
  strength.
• 7:30
  Was
• 7:30
  able
• 7:31
  to
• 7:32
  do
• 7:32
  lots
• 7:32
  of
• 7:32
  things
• 7:32
  with
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  bat
• 7:33
  because
• 7:33
  I
• 7:34
  think
• 7:34
  he
• 7:34
  kept
• 7:34
  it
• 7:34
  back
• 7:35
  so
• 7:35
  well
• 7:35
  it
• 7:35
  rarely
• 7:36
  drifted.
• 7:36
  He
• 7:36
  took
• 7:36
  a
• 7:37
  big
• 7:37
  stride
• 7:38
  when
• 7:38
  he
• 7:38
  approached
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  pitch,
• 7:39
  but
• 7:39
  his
• 7:40
  hands
• 7:40
  always
• 7:40
  stayed
• 7:40
  back
• 7:41
  ready
• 7:41
  to
• 7:41
  go.
• 7:41
  And
• 7:42
  then
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  can
• 7:42
  see,
• 7:42
  folks,
• 7:43
  that
• 7:43
  great
• 7:43
  photo
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  Doug
• 7:45
  Harvey,
• 7:45
  another
• 7:46
  Hall
• 7:46
  of
• 7:46
  Famer,
• 7:46
  handing
• 7:47
  Roberto
• 7:48
  Clemente
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  baseball.
• 7:49
  As
• 7:49
  John
• 7:49
  said,
• 7:50
  took
• 7:51
  a
• 7:51
  while
• 7:51
  out
• 7:52
  of
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  ball
• 7:52
  game
• 7:52
  to
• 7:53
  get
• 7:53
  that
• 7:53
  done.
• 7:54
  But
• 7:54
  a
• 7:55
  great
• 7:55
  piece
• 7:55
  of
• 7:55
  major
• 7:55
  league
• 7:56
  history.
• 7:56
  Now,
• 7:57
  you
• 7:57
  lockered
• 7:57
  between
• 7:58
  Seaver
• 7:58
  and
• 7:58
  Koozman,
• 7:59
  is
• 7:59
  that
• 7:59
  right,
• 8:00
  John?
• 8:01
  That's
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  fact.
• 8:02
  Tell
• 8:02
  us
• 8:02
  a
• 8:03
  little
• 8:03
  bit
• 8:03
  about
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  experience
• 8:04
  of
• 8:04
  lockering
• 8:05
  between
• 8:05
  those
• 8:06
  two
• 8:06
  great
• 8:06
  pitchers.
• 8:07
  Well,
• 8:08
  it
• 8:08
  couldn't
• 8:09
  have
• 8:09
  been
• 8:09
  any
• 8:09
  better
• 8:09
  for
• 8:09
  this
• 8:10
  guy,
• 8:10
  I'll
• 8:10
  tell
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  that.
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  had
• 8:11
  tremendous
• 8:13
  knowledge
• 8:13
  on
• 8:13
  both
• 8:14
  sides,
• 8:14
  more
• 8:15
  toward
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  scientific
• 8:17
  and
• 8:17
  theoretical
• 8:18
  side
• 8:18
  on
• 8:19
  Tommy's
• 8:20
  side.
• 8:20
  And
• 8:20
  then
• 8:21
  Cousy
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  I,
• 8:22
  both
• 8:22
  being
• 8:22
  fellow
• 8:22
  left
• 8:23
  handers,
• 8:23
  could
• 8:23
  commiserate
• 8:24
  about
• 8:24
  how
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  pitch
• 8:25
  this
• 8:26
  guy
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  what
• 8:26
  not
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  throw
• 8:27
  that
• 8:27
  guy.
• 8:27
  And
• 8:28
  it
• 8:28
  was
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  tremendous
• 8:29
  help
• 8:29
  all
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  way
• 8:29
  around.
• 8:30
  Yeah,
• 8:31
  two
• 8:31
  great
• 8:31
  guys.
• 8:32
  And
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  certainly
• 8:33
  rubbed
• 8:33
  off
• 8:33
  on
• 8:33
  you,
• 8:34
  I
• 8:34
  believe,
• 8:34
  John.
• 8:34
  Now,
• 8:35
  in
• 8:36
  1973,
• 8:37
  in
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  spring,
• 8:38
  Marty
• 8:39
  Perez,
• 8:39
  of
• 8:40
  all
• 8:40
  people,
• 8:41
  Marty
• 8:41
  Perez.
• 8:42
  You
• 8:42
  may
• 8:42
  not
• 8:42
  remember
• 8:43
  the
• 8:44
  name,
• 8:44
  folks.
• 8:45
  He
• 8:45
  was
• 8:46
  kind
• 8:46
  of
• 8:46
  a
• 8:46
  journeyman.
• 8:47
  He
• 8:47
  hit
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  ball
• 8:49
  that
• 8:49
  hit
• 8:49
  John
• 8:50
  in
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  head.
• 8:51
  I
• 8:51
  remember
• 8:52
  it.
• 8:52
  It
• 8:52
  was
• 8:52
  horrible.
• 8:53
  Hit
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  ball
• 8:53
  so
• 8:54
  hard
• 8:54
  that
• 8:55
  it
• 8:55
  rebounded
• 8:56
  into
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  dugout.
• 8:57
  And
• 8:58
  tell
• 8:58
  us
• 8:58
  a
• 8:58
  little
• 8:59
  bit
• 8:59
  about
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  feeling
• 9:00
  there,
• 9:00
  John.
• 9:01
  Well,
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  don't
• 9:02
  know
• 9:02
  if
• 9:02
  he
• 9:02
  hit
• 9:02
  it
• 9:03
  all
• 9:03
  that
• 9:03
  hard.
• 9:03
  It's
• 9:03
  just
• 9:03
  that
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  had
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  hard
• 9:04
  hit,
• 9:04
  I
• 9:05
  guess.
• 9:07
  But
• 9:08
  it
• 9:09
  was
• 9:09
  a
• 9:09
  pivotal
• 9:10
  point
• 9:10
  in
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  ball
• 9:10
  game.
• 9:11
  I've
• 9:11
  got
• 9:12
  the
• 9:12
  bases
• 9:12
  draped
• 9:13
  with
• 9:14
  Atlanta
• 9:14
  Braves
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  it's
• 9:15
  starting
• 9:15
  to
• 9:15
  rain
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  little
• 9:16
  bit,
• 9:16
  and
• 9:17
  I've
• 9:17
  got
• 9:17
  to
• 9:17
  lead
• 9:17
  by
• 9:18
  one
• 9:18
  run.
• 9:18
  And
• 9:18
  I've
• 9:19
  got
• 9:19
  a
• 9:19
  new
• 9:19
  important
• 9:20
  out
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  get.
• 9:21
  And
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  make
• 9:22
  a
• 9:22
  really
• 9:22
  good
• 9:22
  pitch.
• 9:23
  2.
• 9:23
  2.
• 9:24
  That
• 9:24
  was
• 9:24
  a
• 9:24
  ball.
• 9:25
  But
• 9:25
  I
• 9:26
  thought
• 9:26
  he
• 9:26
  offered
• 9:26
  at
• 9:26
  it.
• 9:27
  Grody
• 9:27
  thought
• 9:27
  he
• 9:28
  offered
• 9:28
  at
• 9:28
  it.
• 9:30
  Dump.
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  didn't
• 9:31
  agree.
• 9:31
  We
• 9:31
  appealed
• 9:32
  to
• 9:32
  first
• 9:32
  base.
• 9:33
  He
• 9:34
  didn't
• 9:34
  agree
• 9:34
  that
• 9:35
  it
• 9:35
  was
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  swing.
• 9:35
  So
• 9:36
  now
• 9:36
  I'm
• 9:36
  3
• 9:36
  2,
• 9:36
  and
• 9:36
  I've
• 9:37
  got
• 9:37
  to
• 9:38
  make
• 9:38
  a
• 9:38
  good
• 9:38
  pitch.
• 9:38
  And
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  overthrew
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  pitch.
• 9:40
  I
• 9:40
  simply
• 9:40
  just
• 9:41
  tried
• 9:41
  too
• 9:41
  hard,
• 9:42
  landed
• 9:42
  too
• 9:42
  hard,
• 9:42
  lost
• 9:43
  sight
• 9:43
  of
• 9:43
  it
• 9:43
  on
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  way
• 9:44
  to
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  plate.
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  can
• 9:45
  hear
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  back
• 9:46
  crack,
• 9:46
  but
• 9:46
  I
• 9:46
  don't
• 9:47
  pick
• 9:47
  up
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  ball
• 9:47
  until
• 9:47
  it's
• 9:48
  right
• 9:48
  on
• 9:48
  top
• 9:48
  of
• 9:48
  me.
• 9:49
  And
• 9:50
  barely,
• 9:51
  barely
• 9:51
  got
• 9:51
  my
• 9:51
  bare
• 9:52
  hand
• 9:52
  fingers
• 9:52
  up,
• 9:53
  tipped
• 9:53
  my
• 9:54
  fingers,
• 9:54
  hit
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  bill
• 9:55
  of
• 9:55
  my
• 9:55
  cap
• 9:55
  and
• 9:56
  right
• 9:56
  above
• 9:56
  my
• 9:56
  left
• 9:56
  eye.
• 9:57
  Wow.
• 9:58
  Yeah,
• 9:59
  that
• 9:59
  was
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  bad
• 10:00
  situation.
• 10:00
  As
• 10:00
  I
• 10:01
  said,
• 10:01
  I
• 10:01
  remember
• 10:01
  that
• 10:02
  on
• 10:02
  television,
• 10:03
  folks,
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  were
• 10:04
  back
• 10:05
  on
• 10:05
  May
• 10:05
  19th.
• 10:06
  That
• 10:06
  happened
• 10:06
  May
• 10:07
  8th.
• 10:07
  John,
• 10:07
  you
• 10:07
  were
• 10:08
  back
• 10:08
  by
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  19th.
• 10:09
  That
• 10:09
  was
• 10:10
  a
• 10:10
  pretty
• 10:10
  good
• 10:10
  recovery.
• 10:12
  Eleven
• 10:13
  days
• 10:13
  later,
• 10:14
  they
• 10:15
  had
• 10:15
  to
• 10:15
  get
• 10:15
  me
• 10:15
  back
• 10:16
  out
• 10:16
  there
• 10:16
  as
• 10:16
  quick
• 10:16
  as
• 10:17
  possible.
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  don't
• 10:18
  think
• 10:19
  that
• 10:19
  would
• 10:19
  ever
• 10:19
  happen
• 10:19
  in
• 10:20
  today's
• 10:20
  game.
• 10:21
  Maybe
• 10:22
  shouldn't
• 10:22
  have
• 10:22
  happened
• 10:22
  back
• 10:23
  then,
• 10:23
  but
• 10:23
  I
• 10:24
  was
• 10:24
  determined
• 10:24
  to
• 10:26
  try.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:27
  they
• 10:27
  made
• 10:27
  me
• 10:28
  wear
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  funny
• 10:28
  kind
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  headband
• 10:29
  with
• 10:29
  protector
• 10:31
  on
• 10:31
  my
• 10:32
  forehead
• 10:32
  so
• 10:32
  that
• 10:32
  if
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  had
• 10:33
  gotten
• 10:33
  hit,
• 10:35
  supposedly
• 10:35
  it
• 10:36
  would
• 10:37
  sort
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  spread
• 10:37
  out
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  blow
• 10:38
  so
• 10:38
  it
• 10:38
  would
• 10:39
  cause
• 10:39
  no
• 10:39
  further
• 10:40
  injury.
• 10:40
  But
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  don't
• 10:41
  know
• 10:41
  that
• 10:41
  that
• 10:41
  would
• 10:41
  have
• 10:41
  worked.
• 10:42
  The
• 10:42
  thing
• 10:42
  I
• 10:43
  was
• 10:43
  worried
• 10:43
  most
• 10:43
  about
• 10:44
  was
• 10:44
  whether
• 10:44
  I
• 10:45
  would
• 10:45
  flinch,
• 10:45
  blank,
• 10:46
  be
• 10:46
  hesitant.
• 10:47
  And
• 10:47
  out
• 10:47
  there
• 10:47
  when
• 10:48
  balls
• 10:48
  were
• 10:48
  hitting
• 10:48
  my
• 10:48
  direction,
• 10:49
  I
• 10:50
  wasn't.
• 10:50
  Fortunately,
• 10:51
  there
• 10:51
  were
• 10:51
  several
• 10:51
  balls
• 10:52
  hit.
• 10:52
  Second
• 10:53
  base,
• 10:53
  shortstop.
• 10:54
  Nothing
• 10:54
  directly
• 10:54
  up
• 10:54
  the
• 10:55
  middle,
• 10:56
  but
• 10:56
  close
• 10:56
  enough
• 10:57
  to
• 10:57
  know
• 10:58
  how
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  would
• 10:58
  react.
• 10:58
  And
• 10:59
  I
• 10:59
  came
• 10:59
  away
• 11:00
  from
• 11:00
  it.
• 11:00
  Feeling
• 11:00
  very
• 11:00
  positive
• 11:01
  that
• 11:02
  whatever
• 11:03
  had
• 11:03
  happened
• 11:04
  that
• 11:04
  let
• 11:04
  me
• 11:05
  get
• 11:05
  hit
• 11:05
  in
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  head
• 11:05
  was
• 11:06
  purely
• 11:06
  an
• 11:06
  accident
• 11:06
  and
• 11:07
  I
• 11:07
  was
• 11:07
  beyond
• 11:07
  it.
• 11:08
  It
• 11:08
  worked
• 11:08
  out
• 11:09
  okay.
• 11:09
  Yeah,
• 11:11
  you're
• 11:11
  right,
• 11:11
  John,
• 11:12
  in
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  fact
• 11:12
  that
• 11:13
  these
• 11:13
  days
• 11:14
  with
• 11:14
  the
• 11:15
  concussions,
• 11:16
  they
• 11:17
  would
• 11:17
  have
• 11:17
  gone
• 11:17
  through
• 11:17
  the
• 11:18
  whole
• 11:18
  concussion
• 11:19
  protocol.
• 11:21
  It
• 11:21
  would
• 11:21
  have
• 11:21
  been
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  real
• 11:23
  emergency.
• 11:24
  But
• 11:24
  like
• 11:24
  you
• 11:25
  said,
• 11:25
  you
• 11:25
  were
• 11:25
  back
• 11:25
  11
• 11:26
  days
• 11:26
  later
• 11:27
  and
• 11:28
  back
• 11:28
  on
• 11:28
  the
• 11:29
  mound
• 11:29
  for
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  Mets.
• 11:30
  We're
• 11:30
  speaking
• 11:30
  to
• 11:31
  John
• 11:31
  Matlak
• 11:31
  tonight
• 11:32
  on
• 11:32
  Sports
• 11:32
  Talk.
• 11:33
  New
• 11:33
  York
• 11:34
  now
• 11:34
  in
• 11:35
  73.
• 11:35
  Let's
• 11:36
  talk
• 11:36
  a
• 11:36
  little
• 11:36
  bit
• 11:36
  about
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  get
• 11:38
  more
• 11:38
  into
• 11:38
  the
• 11:38
  73
• 11:39
  season.
• 11:40
  You
• 11:41
  were
• 11:41
  51
• 11:42
  from
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  18th
• 11:43
  of
• 11:43
  August,
• 11:44
  on
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  way
• 11:46
  to
• 11:46
  the
• 11:46
  playoffs,
• 11:47
  then
• 11:49
  winning
• 11:49
  the
• 11:50
  National
• 11:50
  League
• 11:50
  East,
• 11:52
  October
• 11:52
  7,
• 11:53
  1973.
• 11:54
  We'll
• 11:54
  talk
• 11:54
  about.
• 11:55
  You
• 11:56
  were
• 11:56
  pitching
• 11:56
  against
• 11:57
  the
• 11:58
  Big
• 11:58
  Red
• 11:58
  Machine.
• 12:00
  You
• 12:00
  gave
• 12:01
  up
• 12:01
  just
• 12:01
  two
• 12:01
  hits
• 12:03
  in
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  ball
• 12:04
  game
• 12:05
  in
• 12:05
  the
• 12:06
  nlcs.
• 12:07
  Do
• 12:07
  you
• 12:08
  remember
• 12:08
  who
• 12:08
  got
• 12:08
  those
• 12:09
  hits,
• 12:09
  John?
• 12:11
  Yeah,
• 12:11
  there's
• 12:11
  a
• 12:12
  journeyman
• 12:13
  infielder
• 12:14
  named
• 12:14
  Andy
• 12:14
  Costco.
• 12:15
  Yeah,
• 12:16
  I
• 12:16
  remember
• 12:16
  him
• 12:17
  on
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  Yankees.
• 12:18
  Yeah,
• 12:18
  he
• 12:18
  was
• 12:18
  on
• 12:19
  the
• 12:19
  Yankees
• 12:19
  in
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  late
• 12:20
  60s,
• 12:21
  early
• 12:21
  70s.
• 12:22
  Andy
• 12:22
  Costco,
• 12:23
  folks,
• 12:24
  not
• 12:24
  exactly
• 12:25
  a
• 12:25
  household
• 12:25
  name,
• 12:26
  but
• 12:26
  that
• 12:26
  happens
• 12:27
  in
• 12:27
  baseball.
• 12:28
  Now
• 12:29
  in
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  Series.
• 12:30
  You
• 12:30
  had
• 12:31
  a
• 12:31
  good
• 12:31
  World
• 12:32
  Series
• 12:32
  in
• 12:32
  1973.
• 12:34
  He
• 12:34
  gave
• 12:35
  up
• 12:35
  only
• 12:35
  three
• 12:35
  hits
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  six
• 12:36
  innings
• 12:37
  in
• 12:37
  Game
• 12:37
  1.
• 12:38
  However,
• 12:38
  the
• 12:39
  A's
• 12:39
  come
• 12:39
  back
• 12:40
  on
• 12:41
  a
• 12:41
  Felix
• 12:41
  Mian
• 12:42
  error.
• 12:43
  They
• 12:43
  held
• 12:44
  on
• 12:44
  two
• 12:44
  to
• 12:44
  one
• 12:44
  victory.
• 12:47
  Another
• 12:48
  ballgame.
• 12:49
  You
• 12:49
  lost
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  seventh
• 12:51
  and
• 12:51
  decisive
• 12:52
  game
• 12:53
  five
• 12:53
  two.
• 12:54
  And
• 12:54
  in
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  third
• 12:55
  inning
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  that
• 12:56
  game,
• 12:56
  he
• 12:56
  gave
• 12:56
  up
• 12:57
  two
• 12:58
  run
• 12:59
  homers.
• 12:59
  Two
• 12:59
  run
• 12:59
  homers,
• 13:00
  not
• 13:00
  two.
• 13:00
  Two
• 13:00
  run
• 13:00
  homers.
• 13:01
  Well,
• 13:01
  they
• 13:01
  were
• 13:01
  two
• 13:02
  run
• 13:02
  homers
• 13:04
  to
• 13:04
  Campy
• 13:05
  and
• 13:05
  Reggie
• 13:06
  Jackson.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  was
• 13:07
  that
• 13:08
  were,
• 13:08
  folks,
• 13:08
  were
• 13:08
  the
• 13:09
  only
• 13:09
  home
• 13:09
  runs
• 13:10
  that
• 13:10
  the,
• 13:10
  the
• 13:11
  great
• 13:11
  Oakland
• 13:11
  A's
• 13:12
  managed
• 13:12
  in
• 13:13
  that
• 13:13
  series.
• 13:14
  So
• 13:14
  you
• 13:14
  can
• 13:14
  see
• 13:15
  how
• 13:16
  I've
• 13:16
  talked
• 13:16
  to
• 13:17
  some
• 13:17
  A's,
• 13:18
  John,
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  they
• 13:20
  told
• 13:20
  me
• 13:20
  that
• 13:21
  the
• 13:21
  New
• 13:21
  York
• 13:21
  Mets
• 13:22
  were
• 13:22
  the
• 13:22
  toughest
• 13:22
  opponent
• 13:23
  they
• 13:23
  had
• 13:23
  in
• 13:24
  that
• 13:24
  run
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  World
• 13:25
  Series
• 13:25
  that
• 13:25
  year.
• 13:27
  Well,
• 13:28
  we
• 13:29
  probably
• 13:29
  should
• 13:29
  have
• 13:29
  won
• 13:30
  all
• 13:30
  six
• 13:31
  of
• 13:31
  the
• 13:31
  first
• 13:31
  six
• 13:31
  games
• 13:32
  in
• 13:32
  that
• 13:32
  series.
• 13:32
  Right.
• 13:33
  The
• 13:33
  score
• 13:33
  didn't.
• 13:34
  The
• 13:34
  score
• 13:34
  didn't
• 13:34
  bear
• 13:34
  it
• 13:34
  out,
• 13:35
  but
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  think
• 13:35
  we
• 13:36
  outplayed
• 13:36
  them
• 13:36
  for
• 13:36
  six
• 13:37
  games.
• 13:38
  The
• 13:38
  real
• 13:38
  Oakland
• 13:39
  A
• 13:39
  showed
• 13:39
  up
• 13:39
  in
• 13:39
  game
• 13:40
  seven.
• 13:40
  And
• 13:41
  hats
• 13:41
  off
• 13:41
  to
• 13:42
  them
• 13:42
  Campanares,
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  thought,
• 13:43
  hit
• 13:43
  a
• 13:44
  pretty
• 13:44
  good
• 13:44
  curveball.
• 13:44
  Might
• 13:45
  have
• 13:45
  been
• 13:45
  slightly
• 13:46
  wind
• 13:46
  aided,
• 13:47
  but
• 13:47
  he
• 13:48
  still
• 13:48
  had
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  put
• 13:49
  lumber
• 13:49
  on
• 13:49
  leather
• 13:50
  and
• 13:50
  he
• 13:50
  did
• 13:50
  that.
• 13:51
  And
• 13:52
  Reggie
• 13:52
  hit
• 13:52
  a
• 13:53
  hanging
• 13:53
  curveball
• 13:53
  that
• 13:54
  when
• 13:54
  it
• 13:54
  left
• 13:54
  my
• 13:54
  hand,
• 13:55
  I
• 13:55
  knew
• 13:55
  it
• 13:55
  wasn't
• 13:55
  going
• 13:56
  to
• 13:56
  be
• 13:56
  good.
• 13:57
  And
• 13:58
  you
• 13:58
  might
• 13:58
  have
• 13:58
  been
• 13:58
  able
• 13:59
  to
• 13:59
  hit
• 13:59
  that
• 13:59
  one
• 13:59
  out.
• 14:00
  Was
• 14:00
  just
• 14:01
  spinning
• 14:01
  up
• 14:01
  there
• 14:02
  saying,
• 14:02
  hit
• 14:02
  me.
• 14:02
  And
• 14:02
  he
• 14:02
  didn't
• 14:03
  miss
• 14:03
  it.
• 14:03
  Yeah.
• 14:04
  I
• 14:04
  don't
• 14:05
  know
• 14:05
  about
• 14:05
  me,
• 14:05
  John,
• 14:06
  but
• 14:06
  yeah,
• 14:07
  Reggie
• 14:08
  didn't
• 14:08
  miss
• 14:08
  it.
• 14:08
  Yeah,
• 14:11
  that
• 14:11
  was
• 14:12
  that
• 14:12
  game,
• 14:12
  that
• 14:13
  particular
• 14:13
  ball
• 14:13
  game.
• 14:14
  Now
• 14:14
  everybody
• 14:15
  talks
• 14:15
  about
• 14:16
  Yogi
• 14:16
  Berra's
• 14:17
  decision
• 14:18
  to
• 14:18
  bring
• 14:18
  Seaver
• 14:19
  back
• 14:19
  on
• 14:19
  short
• 14:20
  rest
• 14:20
  for
• 14:20
  Game
• 14:21
  6
• 14:21
  because
• 14:22
  they
• 14:22
  felt
• 14:23
  the
• 14:24
  end
• 14:24
  coming.
• 14:24
  They
• 14:25
  wanted
• 14:25
  to
• 14:25
  clinch
• 14:25
  right
• 14:26
  there.
• 14:27
  And
• 14:27
  how
• 14:28
  do
• 14:28
  you
• 14:28
  feel
• 14:28
  about
• 14:29
  that
• 14:29
  particular
• 14:29
  decision
• 14:30
  by
• 14:30
  Yogi
• 14:31
  Berra?
• 14:32
  Well,
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  don't
• 14:33
  know
• 14:33
  that
• 14:33
  that
• 14:33
  would
• 14:33
  have
• 14:33
  been
• 14:33
  a
• 14:34
  better
• 14:35
  decision
• 14:35
  to
• 14:36
  go
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  way
• 14:36
  he
• 14:36
  went.
• 14:37
  The
• 14:37
  decision
• 14:38
  that
• 14:38
  may
• 14:39
  have
• 14:39
  been
• 14:39
  best
• 14:41
  and
• 14:42
  I
• 14:42
  don't
• 14:42
  know
• 14:42
  that
• 14:43
  I
• 14:43
  even
• 14:43
  thought
• 14:43
  about
• 14:44
  it
• 14:44
  at
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  time,
• 14:44
  but
• 14:44
  it's
• 14:44
  been
• 14:45
  brought
• 14:45
  to
• 14:45
  my
• 14:45
  attention
• 14:46
  so
• 14:46
  many
• 14:46
  times
• 14:46
  since
• 14:47
  was
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  start
• 14:48
  George
• 14:48
  Stone.
• 14:49
  He
• 14:49
  had
• 14:49
  had
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  hell
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  season.
• 14:50
  He
• 14:50
  did,
• 14:51
  yeah.
• 14:51
  Pitch
• 14:52
  very,
• 14:52
  very
• 14:52
  well
• 14:53
  and
• 14:53
  pitch
• 14:54
  him
• 14:54
  in
• 14:54
  that
• 14:54
  game.
• 14:54
  And
• 14:55
  then
• 14:55
  he's
• 14:55
  got
• 14:55
  seaver
• 14:56
  to
• 14:56
  start
• 14:57
  7
• 14:59
  if
• 14:59
  needed
• 15:00
  and
• 15:01
  me
• 15:01
  working
• 15:01
  out
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  bullpen
• 15:02
  and
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  course
• 15:03
  anybody
• 15:03
  else
• 15:03
  who
• 15:03
  could
• 15:03
  pick
• 15:04
  up
• 15:04
  a
• 15:04
  baseball
• 15:04
  at
• 15:04
  that
• 15:05
  point
• 15:06
  also.
• 15:07
  So
• 15:07
  that
• 15:07
  may
• 15:08
  have
• 15:08
  made
• 15:08
  us
• 15:09
  stronger
• 15:09
  pitching
• 15:10
  wise
• 15:10
  to
• 15:10
  do
• 15:10
  it
• 15:10
  that
• 15:10
  way.
• 15:11
  You
• 15:11
  know,
• 15:12
  whether
• 15:12
  the
• 15:12
  outcome's
• 15:12
  any
• 15:13
  different,
• 15:13
  I
• 15:13
  don't
• 15:13
  know.
• 15:14
  I've
• 15:14
  been
• 15:14
  asked
• 15:15
  that
• 15:15
  question
• 15:15
  many,
• 15:15
  many
• 15:16
  times.
• 15:17
  A
• 15:17
  lot
• 15:18
  of
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  guys.
• 15:19
  That
• 15:19
  point
• 15:19
  will
• 15:20
  live
• 15:20
  on
• 15:20
  between
• 15:21
  us
• 15:22
  folks
• 15:22
  that
• 15:22
  remember
• 15:22
  the
• 15:23
  73
• 15:23
  series.
• 15:24
  Now,
• 15:24
  you
• 15:25
  were
• 15:25
  a
• 15:25
  three
• 15:25
  time
• 15:25
  all
• 15:26
  star.
• 15:26
  As
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  said
• 15:27
  in
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  Open,
• 15:27
  John,
• 15:29
  you
• 15:29
  shared
• 15:30
  the
• 15:30
  MVP
• 15:30
  honors
• 15:31
  in
• 15:31
  75.
• 15:32
  Here's
• 15:32
  an
• 15:32
  interesting
• 15:33
  point,
• 15:33
  folks.
• 15:34
  John
• 15:34
  Matlak
• 15:35
  shares
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  75
• 15:37
  MVP
• 15:38
  award
• 15:39
  in
• 15:39
  the
• 15:40
  All
• 15:40
  Star
• 15:40
  Game
• 15:41
  with
• 15:41
  Bill
• 15:41
  Matlock.
• 15:42
  So
• 15:42
  you
• 15:42
  had
• 15:43
  Matlock
• 15:43
  and
• 15:44
  Matlock
• 15:45
  winning
• 15:46
  that.
• 15:46
  That
• 15:46
  was
• 15:46
  pretty
• 15:47
  weird,
• 15:48
  John.
• 15:48
  Well,
• 15:49
  we
• 15:50
  joked
• 15:50
  between
• 15:50
  ourselves
• 15:51
  that
• 15:51
  the
• 15:52
  reason
• 15:52
  it
• 15:52
  was
• 15:52
  split
• 15:53
  was
• 15:53
  because
• 15:53
  they
• 15:53
  couldn't.
• 15:54
  They
• 15:54
  got
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  names
• 15:55
  confused
• 15:55
  and
• 15:55
  they
• 15:56
  didn't
• 15:56
  know
• 15:56
  who
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  give
• 15:57
  it
• 15:57
  to
• 15:57
  so
• 15:57
  they
• 15:58
  split
• 15:58
  it.
• 15:59
  Yeah,
• 16:00
  it
• 16:00
  was
• 16:00
  sort
• 16:00
  of
• 16:00
  crazy.
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  pitched
• 16:02
  two
• 16:02
  pretty
• 16:02
  solid
• 16:02
  innings.
• 16:03
  At
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  end
• 16:03
  of
• 16:03
  the
• 16:04
  ball
• 16:04
  game,
• 16:05
  Jonesy
• 16:06
  came
• 16:06
  in
• 16:06
  and
• 16:06
  closed
• 16:07
  it
• 16:08
  and
• 16:09
  Billy
• 16:09
  got
• 16:09
  the
• 16:10
  big
• 16:10
  hit
• 16:10
  that
• 16:10
  put
• 16:10
  us
• 16:10
  ahead.
• 16:11
  So
• 16:11
  it
• 16:12
  was
• 16:13
  could
• 16:14
  have
• 16:14
  equal,
• 16:14
  you
• 16:15
  know,
• 16:15
  gone
• 16:15
  either
• 16:15
  way
• 16:16
  and
• 16:16
  turned
• 16:17
  out
• 16:17
  to
• 16:17
  be
• 16:17
  probably
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  best
• 16:18
  thing
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  do
• 16:18
  was
• 16:18
  to
• 16:19
  split
• 16:19
  it.
• 16:19
  And
• 16:19
  that's
• 16:19
  just
• 16:20
  what
• 16:20
  they
• 16:20
  did.
• 16:20
  That's
• 16:21
  the
• 16:21
  only
• 16:21
  time
• 16:21
  that's
• 16:22
  happened,
• 16:22
  folks,
• 16:22
  in
• 16:22
  All
• 16:23
  Star
• 16:23
  Game
• 16:23
  history.
• 16:24
  Man,
• 16:24
  that
• 16:24
  guy
• 16:24
  could
• 16:25
  rake,
• 16:25
  John.
• 16:26
  Oh
• 16:27
  my
• 16:27
  goodness,
• 16:27
  he
• 16:27
  was
• 16:29
  some
• 16:29
  kind
• 16:30
  of
• 16:30
  hitter.
• 16:30
  And
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  actually
• 16:31
  got
• 16:32
  a
• 16:32
  dinner
• 16:33
  out
• 16:33
  of
• 16:33
  it
• 16:33
  from
• 16:34
  Seaver
• 16:34
  and
• 16:35
  Cousy
• 16:36
  because
• 16:36
  we
• 16:36
  were
• 16:37
  coming
• 16:37
  into
• 16:37
  Chicago
• 16:38
  when
• 16:38
  he
• 16:38
  was
• 16:39
  hot
• 16:39
  as
• 16:39
  a
• 16:39
  firecracker
• 16:40
  in
• 16:40
  his
• 16:41
  first
• 16:41
  year
• 16:41
  up
• 16:41
  there.
• 16:42
  Nobody
• 16:43
  knew
• 16:43
  how
• 16:43
  to
• 16:43
  pitch
• 16:43
  him
• 16:44
  and
• 16:44
  they
• 16:44
  wanted
• 16:44
  me
• 16:44
  to
• 16:45
  try
• 16:45
  and
• 16:46
  figure
• 16:46
  out
• 16:46
  so
• 16:47
  I
• 16:47
  could
• 16:47
  help
• 16:47
  them
• 16:48
  a
• 16:48
  Little
• 16:48
  bit.
• 16:48
  And
• 16:49
  I
• 16:49
  was
• 16:49
  trying
• 16:50
  a
• 16:50
  new
• 16:50
  pitch.
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  was
• 16:51
  working
• 16:51
  on
• 16:51
  a
• 16:51
  slider.
• 16:52
  I
• 16:53
  threw
• 16:53
  him
• 16:53
  one,
• 16:53
  and
• 16:54
  it
• 16:54
  broke
• 16:54
  more
• 16:54
  than
• 16:54
  I
• 16:54
  wanted
• 16:55
  it
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  hit
• 16:55
  him
• 16:55
  on
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  back
• 16:56
  knee.
• 16:56
  And
• 16:56
  he
• 16:56
  didn't
• 16:56
  play
• 16:56
  the
• 16:56
  next
• 16:57
  two
• 16:57
  days.
• 16:57
  Oh,
• 16:57
  boy.
• 16:58
  Yeah.
• 16:59
  So
• 16:59
  they
• 16:59
  didn't
• 16:59
  have
• 17:00
  to
• 17:00
  worry
• 17:00
  about
• 17:00
  him.
• 17:00
  They
• 17:00
  bought
• 17:01
  me
• 17:01
  dinner.
• 17:02
  Not
• 17:02
  bad.
• 17:02
  Yeah,
• 17:03
  not
• 17:03
  bad.
• 17:04
  Pretty
• 17:04
  good.
• 17:05
  Now
• 17:06
  77.
• 17:07
  John.
• 17:07
  They
• 17:08
  deal
• 17:08
  you
• 17:08
  to
• 17:08
  Texas.
• 17:09
  I
• 17:09
  mean,
• 17:09
  folks,
• 17:09
  it
• 17:09
  was
• 17:10
  a
• 17:10
  blockbuster
• 17:10
  deal.
• 17:11
  It
• 17:11
  involved,
• 17:12
  like,
• 17:13
  11
• 17:13
  players
• 17:14
  changing
• 17:14
  teams.
• 17:15
  The
• 17:15
  Rangers
• 17:16
  were
• 17:16
  involved.
• 17:16
  The
• 17:17
  Braves,
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  Pirates,
• 17:19
  I
• 17:19
  think
• 17:19
  even
• 17:20
  were
• 17:20
  involved.
• 17:21
  How
• 17:21
  did
• 17:21
  you
• 17:21
  feel
• 17:21
  about
• 17:22
  them
• 17:22
  sending
• 17:22
  you
• 17:22
  to
• 17:23
  Texas,
• 17:23
  John?
• 17:25
  It
• 17:25
  was
• 17:25
  a
• 17:26
  shock,
• 17:26
  for
• 17:27
  sure.
• 17:27
  It
• 17:27
  was
• 17:27
  probably
• 17:28
  my
• 17:28
  first
• 17:28
  realization
• 17:29
  that
• 17:30
  baseball
• 17:30
  was
• 17:30
  a
• 17:31
  business
• 17:32
  more
• 17:32
  so
• 17:33
  than
• 17:33
  a
• 17:33
  sport.
• 17:34
  At
• 17:35
  least
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  felt
• 17:36
  of
• 17:37
  it,
• 17:37
  you
• 17:37
  know,
• 17:37
  as
• 17:37
  a
• 17:37
  sport.
• 17:38
  The
• 17:38
  way
• 17:38
  I
• 17:38
  was
• 17:38
  going
• 17:38
  about
• 17:39
  it.
• 17:39
  Now,
• 17:39
  all
• 17:39
  of
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  sudden,
• 17:40
  I
• 17:40
  was
• 17:40
  a
• 17:40
  commodity
• 17:40
  that
• 17:41
  was
• 17:41
  being
• 17:42
  moved
• 17:42
  somewhere
• 17:43
  else
• 17:43
  for
• 17:43
  somebody
• 17:44
  else.
• 17:44
  And
• 17:46
  it
• 17:46
  was
• 17:46
  a
• 17:46
  unique
• 17:47
  experience.
• 17:49
  Texas
• 17:50
  was
• 17:50
  okay.
• 17:51
  I
• 17:52
  like
• 17:52
  the
• 17:53
  National
• 17:53
  League
• 17:53
  much
• 17:53
  better
• 17:54
  than
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  American
• 17:54
  League
• 17:55
  just
• 17:55
  because
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  the
• 17:56
  style
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  play
• 17:57
  and
• 17:58
  maybe
• 17:58
  because
• 17:58
  that's
• 17:59
  where
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  broke
• 17:59
  in
• 17:59
  and
• 18:00
  was
• 18:01
  what
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  was
• 18:01
  used
• 18:01
  to.
• 18:01
  I'm
• 18:02
  not
• 18:02
  sure.
• 18:03
  Gotcha.
• 18:04
  Yeah.
• 18:05
  Some
• 18:05
  of
• 18:05
  the
• 18:06
  Mets
• 18:06
  were
• 18:06
  involved
• 18:06
  in
• 18:07
  that
• 18:07
  deal.
• 18:08
  The
• 18:08
  Pirates
• 18:09
  got
• 18:09
  Burt
• 18:10
  Blilevin
• 18:10
  from
• 18:10
  the
• 18:11
  Rangers
• 18:11
  and
• 18:11
  John
• 18:12
  Milner
• 18:12
  from
• 18:12
  the
• 18:13
  Mets.
• 18:13
  So
• 18:13
  Milner
• 18:14
  was
• 18:14
  sent
• 18:14
  out,
• 18:14
  too.
• 18:15
  The
• 18:15
  Mets
• 18:16
  got,
• 18:16
  from
• 18:16
  the
• 18:16
  Braves,
• 18:17
  Willie
• 18:17
  Montanez,
• 18:19
  and
• 18:19
  from
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  Rangers
• 18:20
  they
• 18:20
  got
• 18:20
  Tom
• 18:21
  Grieve
• 18:21
  and
• 18:21
  Ken
• 18:22
  Henderson,
• 18:23
  who
• 18:23
  was
• 18:23
  probably
• 18:24
  on
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  tail
• 18:24
  end
• 18:24
  of
• 18:24
  his
• 18:25
  career
• 18:25
  by
• 18:25
  then.
• 18:25
  But
• 18:26
  that's
• 18:26
  nothing
• 18:26
  new
• 18:26
  for
• 18:26
  the
• 18:27
  Mets.
• 18:27
  And
• 18:27
  Montanez
• 18:28
  comes
• 18:29
  to
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  Mets
• 18:29
  with
• 18:29
  his
• 18:30
  flip
• 18:30
  catches.
• 18:31
  And
• 18:31
  as
• 18:32
  they
• 18:32
  say,
• 18:32
  there
• 18:32
  wasn't
• 18:33
  enough
• 18:33
  mustard
• 18:33
  in
• 18:33
  the
• 18:34
  city
• 18:34
  to
• 18:35
  cover
• 18:35
  Willie
• 18:36
  Montanez.
• 18:37
  He
• 18:38
  was
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  classic
• 18:38
  character.
• 18:39
  We
• 18:39
  got
• 18:40
  John
• 18:40
  Milner
• 18:40
  with
• 18:40
  us
• 18:41
  tonight.
• 18:41
  Excuse
• 18:41
  me.
• 18:42
  No,
• 18:42
  John
• 18:42
  Matlak.
• 18:43
  John
• 18:44
  Milner.
• 18:44
  If
• 18:44
  he
• 18:44
  was
• 18:44
  with
• 18:45
  us,
• 18:45
  we'd
• 18:45
  really
• 18:46
  be
• 18:46
  in
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  tough
• 18:47
  situation.
• 18:48
  God
• 18:49
  rest
• 18:49
  his
• 18:49
  soul.
• 18:50
  Now
• 18:51
  you
• 18:51
  go
• 18:52
  15
• 18:52
  and
• 18:52
  three
• 18:53
  with
• 18:53
  Texas.
• 18:54
  You
• 18:55
  got
• 18:55
  your
• 18:55
  first
• 18:55
  save.
• 18:56
  You
• 18:57
  had
• 18:57
  elbow
• 18:57
  trouble,
• 18:58
  John?
• 19:00
  I
• 19:00
  ended
• 19:00
  up
• 19:01
  developing
• 19:01
  some
• 19:02
  bone
• 19:02
  chips
• 19:02
  my
• 19:02
  second
• 19:02
  year
• 19:03
  there
• 19:03
  in
• 19:03
  spring
• 19:03
  training.
• 19:05
  May
• 19:05
  have
• 19:06
  had
• 19:06
  them
• 19:06
  for
• 19:06
  much
• 19:07
  longer
• 19:07
  than
• 19:07
  that,
• 19:07
  but
• 19:07
  that's
• 19:08
  when
• 19:08
  they
• 19:08
  became
• 19:09
  pronounced
• 19:09
  enough
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  get
• 19:10
  in
• 19:10
  the
• 19:11
  way
• 19:11
  and
• 19:12
  tried
• 19:12
  to
• 19:12
  pitch
• 19:13
  with
• 19:13
  it.
• 19:14
  The
• 19:14
  initial
• 19:14
  X
• 19:15
  rays
• 19:16
  said
• 19:16
  only
• 19:17
  two,
• 19:17
  but
• 19:17
  then
• 19:18
  Dr.
• 19:18
  Job
• 19:18
  read
• 19:19
  the
• 19:19
  same
• 19:19
  X
• 19:19
  rays
• 19:20
  later
• 19:20
  and
• 19:21
  said,
• 19:21
  I
• 19:21
  can
• 19:21
  count
• 19:22
  maybe
• 19:23
  10
• 19:23
  or
• 19:23
  11,
• 19:24
  and
• 19:25
  for
• 19:25
  everyone
• 19:25
  I
• 19:25
  can
• 19:26
  see,
• 19:26
  there's
• 19:26
  probably
• 19:26
  one
• 19:26
  I
• 19:27
  can't.
• 19:27
  And
• 19:27
  they
• 19:27
  ended
• 19:27
  up
• 19:27
  taking
• 19:28
  21
• 19:28
  pieces
• 19:29
  of
• 19:29
  bone
• 19:29
  out
• 19:29
  of
• 19:29
  my
• 19:29
  elbow.
• 19:30
  Wow.
• 19:30
  Sometime
• 19:31
  later
• 19:31
  that
• 19:31
  year.
• 19:32
  Tough.
• 19:33
  Yeah.
• 19:34
  Now,
• 19:34
  you
• 19:34
  retired
• 19:35
  following
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  83
• 19:36
  season,
• 19:37
  couple
• 19:37
  of
• 19:37
  years
• 19:38
  away,
• 19:39
  you
• 19:39
  decide
• 19:39
  to
• 19:40
  get
• 19:40
  into
• 19:40
  coaching.
• 19:41
  You
• 19:41
  coach
• 19:41
  for
• 19:41
  the
• 19:41
  Padres
• 19:42
  Arizona
• 19:43
  League
• 19:43
  affiliate.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:45
  what
• 19:46
  made
• 19:46
  you
• 19:46
  decide
• 19:46
  to
• 19:47
  get
• 19:47
  into
• 19:47
  coaching,
• 19:47
  John?
• 19:50
  There
• 19:50
  were
• 19:50
  a
• 19:50
  few
• 19:50
  things,
• 19:51
  really.
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  didn't
• 19:52
  know
• 19:53
  that
• 19:53
  I
• 19:53
  wanted
• 19:53
  to
• 19:53
  stay
• 19:54
  with
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  game
• 19:54
  until
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  was
• 19:55
  away
• 19:55
  from
• 19:55
  it
• 19:56
  and
• 19:56
  sort
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  missed
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  camaraderie
• 19:58
  and
• 19:59
  being
• 20:00
  on
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  field
• 20:00
  and
• 20:00
  having
• 20:00
  the
• 20:01
  uniform
• 20:01
  on.
• 20:03
  Also
• 20:03
  took
• 20:04
  my
• 20:04
  son
• 20:04
  to
• 20:04
  a
• 20:05
  couple
• 20:05
  of
• 20:05
  Rangers
• 20:06
  games
• 20:06
  as
• 20:06
  we
• 20:06
  still
• 20:06
  lived
• 20:07
  there
• 20:07
  in
• 20:07
  Arlington
• 20:08
  and
• 20:09
  was
• 20:10
  a
• 20:10
  little
• 20:10
  bit
• 20:12
  put
• 20:12
  back,
• 20:13
  I
• 20:13
  guess,
• 20:13
  by
• 20:13
  some
• 20:13
  of
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  things
• 20:14
  I
• 20:14
  was
• 20:14
  seeing
• 20:14
  going
• 20:15
  on
• 20:15
  at
• 20:15
  the
• 20:15
  big
• 20:15
  league
• 20:15
  level
• 20:16
  and
• 20:16
  thinking
• 20:16
  that
• 20:16
  they
• 20:17
  weren't
• 20:17
  being
• 20:17
  coached
• 20:18
  up
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  way
• 20:18
  they
• 20:18
  needed
• 20:18
  to
• 20:19
  be
• 20:19
  to
• 20:20
  be
• 20:20
  prepared
• 20:20
  to
• 20:20
  play
• 20:20
  there
• 20:21
  and
• 20:22
  maybe
• 20:22
  I
• 20:22
  could
• 20:23
  help
• 20:23
  with
• 20:23
  that
• 20:23
  a
• 20:24
  little
• 20:24
  bit.
• 20:24
  So
• 20:25
  decided
• 20:25
  to
• 20:26
  go
• 20:26
  back
• 20:26
  and
• 20:26
  give
• 20:26
  it
• 20:26
  a
• 20:26
  shot
• 20:27
  and
• 20:27
  did
• 20:28
  it
• 20:28
  for
• 20:28
  about
• 20:28
  25
• 20:29
  more
• 20:29
  years.
• 20:29
  Yeah,
• 20:30
  you
• 20:30
  made
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  great
• 20:31
  career
• 20:31
  out
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  it.
• 20:32
  Now,
• 20:32
  are
• 20:32
  there
• 20:32
  any
• 20:33
  coaches
• 20:33
  or
• 20:33
  managers
• 20:34
  that
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  had
• 20:35
  along
• 20:35
  the
• 20:35
  way
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  your
• 20:36
  big
• 20:37
  league
• 20:37
  career,
• 20:37
  John,
• 20:38
  that
• 20:38
  influenced
• 20:40
  the
• 20:40
  style
• 20:40
  in
• 20:41
  which
• 20:41
  you
• 20:41
  coached?
• 20:45
  Probably
• 20:46
  not
• 20:46
  too
• 20:47
  much.
• 20:48
  I
• 20:49
  think
• 20:49
  the
• 20:49
  guy
• 20:50
  maybe
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  most
• 20:52
  influence
• 20:52
  had
• 20:52
  the
• 20:53
  most
• 20:53
  influence
• 20:53
  on
• 20:53
  me
• 20:54
  was
• 20:54
  Rube
• 20:55
  Walker,
• 20:57
  and
• 20:57
  more
• 20:58
  so
• 20:58
  because
• 20:58
  of.
• 20:59
  Of
• 20:59
  not
• 20:59
  so
• 21:00
  much
• 21:01
  how
• 21:01
  he
• 21:01
  coached,
• 21:02
  but
• 21:02
  he
• 21:03
  never
• 21:03
  said
• 21:04
  much.
• 21:04
  But
• 21:05
  when
• 21:05
  he
• 21:05
  said
• 21:05
  something,
• 21:06
  it
• 21:06
  was
• 21:06
  usually
• 21:07
  pretty
• 21:07
  profound.
• 21:08
  So
• 21:09
  it
• 21:09
  was.
• 21:09
  He'd
• 21:09
  nod
• 21:10
  his
• 21:10
  head
• 21:10
  and
• 21:10
  he
• 21:11
  might
• 21:11
  throw
• 21:12
  a
• 21:12
  little
• 21:12
  pearl
• 21:13
  of
• 21:13
  wisdom
• 21:13
  in
• 21:13
  here
• 21:14
  or
• 21:14
  there,
• 21:14
  but
• 21:14
  if
• 21:14
  he
• 21:15
  set
• 21:15
  you
• 21:15
  down
• 21:15
  and
• 21:15
  had
• 21:16
  a
• 21:16
  talk,
• 21:16
  it
• 21:16
  was
• 21:16
  worthwhile.
• 21:18
  Great
• 21:18
  insight
• 21:19
  there
• 21:19
  on
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  great
• 21:19
  Rube
• 21:20
  Walker,
• 21:20
  who
• 21:20
  Gil
• 21:21
  Hodges
• 21:21
  brought
• 21:22
  in
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  be
• 21:22
  the
• 21:22
  Mets
• 21:23
  pitching
• 21:23
  Coach
• 21:24
  back
• 21:24
  in
• 21:25
  68.
• 21:26
  Now,
• 21:27
  I
• 21:27
  read,
• 21:28
  John,
• 21:28
  that
• 21:29
  your
• 21:29
  parents
• 21:30
  were
• 21:30
  married
• 21:31
  in
• 21:31
  Saugerties,
• 21:32
  New
• 21:32
  York.
• 21:32
  Now,
• 21:32
  Saugerties
• 21:33
  is
• 21:33
  a
• 21:33
  favorite
• 21:34
  town
• 21:34
  of
• 21:34
  ours
• 21:35
  and
• 21:36
  we
• 21:36
  go
• 21:36
  up
• 21:36
  there
• 21:37
  quite
• 21:37
  often.
• 21:37
  We're
• 21:38
  heading
• 21:38
  up
• 21:38
  to
• 21:38
  the
• 21:38
  Diamond
• 21:39
  Mills
• 21:39
  Hotel
• 21:40
  in
• 21:40
  a
• 21:40
  couple
• 21:40
  of
• 21:40
  weeks
• 21:41
  in
• 21:42
  Sargarties,
• 21:43
  New
• 21:43
  York.
• 21:44
  Tell
• 21:45
  us
• 21:45
  about
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  history
• 21:46
  of
• 21:46
  your
• 21:46
  family
• 21:46
  in
• 21:47
  Saugerties.
• 21:47
  I
• 21:48
  heard
• 21:48
  that
• 21:48
  it
• 21:48
  went
• 21:48
  back
• 21:49
  to
• 21:49
  the
• 21:49
  1700s.
• 21:51
  It
• 21:51
  goes
• 21:51
  back
• 21:52
  to
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  1700s.
• 21:53
  The
• 21:53
  original,
• 21:54
  original
• 21:55
  family
• 21:55
  household.
• 21:56
  Actually
• 21:57
  the
• 21:57
  house
• 21:57
  is
• 21:57
  still
• 21:58
  there,
• 21:58
  still
• 21:59
  standing.
• 21:59
  Was
• 21:59
  built
• 21:59
  in
• 22:00
  1732.
• 22:01
  It's.
• 22:02
  It's
• 22:02
  now
• 22:02
  a
• 22:03
  historical
• 22:03
  site.
• 22:05
  My
• 22:06
  mother's
• 22:07
  brothers,
• 22:08
  my
• 22:08
  uncle's
• 22:09
  son
• 22:10
  has
• 22:10
  control
• 22:10
  over
• 22:11
  it
• 22:11
  and
• 22:12
  the
• 22:13
  life
• 22:13
  estate
• 22:13
  in
• 22:13
  it.
• 22:14
  And
• 22:14
  when
• 22:14
  he
• 22:14
  passes,
• 22:15
  it's
• 22:15
  going
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  go
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  Esopus
• 22:16
  Creek
• 22:17
  Historical
• 22:17
  association
• 22:18
  and
• 22:18
  be
• 22:19
  kept
• 22:19
  as
• 22:19
  a
• 22:19
  historical
• 22:20
  site.
• 22:20
  Esopus
• 22:21
  Creek,
• 22:22
  folks.
• 22:22
  There
• 22:22
  you
• 22:22
  go.
• 22:22
  Another
• 22:23
  great
• 22:23
  name
• 22:23
  you
• 22:23
  hear
• 22:24
  on
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  show
• 22:24
  tonight.
• 22:25
  Gee,
• 22:26
  it
• 22:26
  runs
• 22:28
  through
• 22:28
  Saugerties,
• 22:29
  goes
• 22:30
  all
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  way
• 22:30
  up
• 22:30
  to
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  mountains,
• 22:31
  the
• 22:32
  Esopus
• 22:32
  Creek,
• 22:33
  and
• 22:33
  ends
• 22:33
  somewhere
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  Kingston.
• 22:35
  But
• 22:35
  a
• 22:36
  great
• 22:36
  piece
• 22:36
  of
• 22:36
  water
• 22:37
  that
• 22:37
  is
• 22:38
  Saugerties,
• 22:39
  New
• 22:39
  York.
• 22:39
  Folks,
• 22:39
  look
• 22:40
  it
• 22:40
  up.
• 22:40
  A
• 22:40
  great
• 22:40
  little
• 22:41
  town
• 22:41
  up
• 22:41
  there,
• 22:42
  nestled
• 22:43
  in
• 22:43
  Ulster
• 22:43
  County,
• 22:44
  I
• 22:44
  believe
• 22:44
  it
• 22:44
  is,
• 22:45
  and.
• 22:45
  And
• 22:46
  just
• 22:46
  a
• 22:46
  fantastic
• 22:47
  place.
• 22:48
  Now,
• 22:48
  what
• 22:49
  do
• 22:49
  you
• 22:49
  feel,
• 22:49
  John,
• 22:50
  about
• 22:51
  these
• 22:51
  guys
• 22:51
  having
• 22:52
  Tommy
• 22:52
  John
• 22:52
  in
• 22:53
  high
• 22:53
  school?
• 22:57
  It
• 22:57
  depends
• 22:58
  on
• 22:58
  the
• 22:58
  reason.
• 22:59
  For
• 22:59
  me,
• 22:59
  I'm
• 23:00
  hearing
• 23:00
  too
• 23:00
  much
• 23:01
  about
• 23:01
  parents
• 23:01
  trying
• 23:02
  to
• 23:02
  have
• 23:03
  Tommy
• 23:03
  John
• 23:03
  performed
• 23:04
  on
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  healthy
• 23:05
  arm
• 23:05
  to
• 23:05
  try
• 23:05
  and
• 23:05
  make
• 23:05
  it
• 23:06
  stronger
• 23:06
  than
• 23:06
  it
• 23:06
  is.
• 23:07
  That's
• 23:07
  ridiculous.
• 23:08
  Yeah,
• 23:08
  that's
• 23:09
  absurd.
• 23:11
  If
• 23:11
  it's
• 23:11
  got
• 23:11
  a
• 23:12
  broken
• 23:12
  elbow
• 23:12
  and
• 23:12
  you
• 23:13
  need
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  fix
• 23:14
  it,
• 23:14
  then
• 23:14
  obviously
• 23:14
  go
• 23:15
  ahead
• 23:15
  and
• 23:15
  do
• 23:15
  the
• 23:15
  surgery.
• 23:16
  But
• 23:16
  why
• 23:17
  would
• 23:17
  somebody
• 23:17
  in
• 23:18
  high
• 23:18
  school
• 23:18
  need
• 23:19
  that
• 23:19
  unless
• 23:19
  they
• 23:20
  have
• 23:20
  been
• 23:20
  overworked,
• 23:21
  pushed,
• 23:22
  overused
• 23:23
  and
• 23:23
  otherwise
• 23:24
  over
• 23:24
  coached?
• 23:25
  Maybe
• 23:26
  the
• 23:27
  kids
• 23:27
  today
• 23:27
  are
• 23:28
  trying
• 23:28
  so
• 23:28
  hard,
• 23:29
  even
• 23:29
  all
• 23:29
  the
• 23:29
  way
• 23:30
  to
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  big
• 23:30
  league
• 23:30
  level,
• 23:30
  to
• 23:31
  increase
• 23:32
  spin
• 23:32
  rate,
• 23:33
  create
• 23:34
  vertical
• 23:35
  breaks.
• 23:36
  You
• 23:36
  know,
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  sweeper
• 23:37
  is
• 23:37
  now
• 23:37
  the
• 23:37
  big
• 23:37
  thing.
• 23:38
  Yeah.
• 23:39
  Increase
• 23:39
  velocity.
• 23:40
  And
• 23:41
  it's
• 23:41
  all.
• 23:43
  To
• 23:44
  me,
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  important
• 23:44
  part
• 23:44
  of
• 23:44
  the
• 23:45
  game
• 23:45
  has
• 23:45
  all
• 23:45
  been
• 23:45
  lost
• 23:46
  in
• 23:46
  that.
• 23:46
  The
• 23:47
  important
• 23:47
  part
• 23:47
  was
• 23:47
  get
• 23:48
  somebody
• 23:48
  out,
• 23:49
  stay
• 23:49
  out
• 23:49
  there
• 23:49
  as
• 23:49
  long
• 23:50
  as
• 23:50
  you
• 23:50
  can,
• 23:50
  and
• 23:50
  get
• 23:50
  the
• 23:51
  other
• 23:51
  side
• 23:51
  out.
• 23:53
  It
• 23:54
  was
• 23:54
  not
• 23:54
  about
• 23:55
  doing
• 23:55
  it
• 23:56
  at
• 23:56
  105
• 23:56
  miles
• 23:57
  an
• 23:57
  hour,
• 23:57
  although
• 23:57
  that's
• 23:58
  lovely
• 23:58
  if
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  can
• 23:59
  do
• 23:59
  it.
• 24:02
  It
• 24:02
  was
• 24:02
  about
• 24:03
  staying
• 24:03
  healthy,
• 24:03
  being
• 24:04
  able
• 24:04
  to
• 24:04
  answer
• 24:04
  the
• 24:05
  bell
• 24:05
  every
• 24:05
  time
• 24:05
  they
• 24:06
  put
• 24:06
  your
• 24:06
  name
• 24:06
  on
• 24:06
  the
• 24:07
  card
• 24:07
  and
• 24:07
  go
• 24:07
  out
• 24:08
  there
• 24:08
  and
• 24:08
  keep
• 24:08
  your
• 24:08
  team
• 24:08
  in
• 24:08
  the
• 24:09
  game
• 24:09
  as
• 24:09
  long
• 24:09
  as
• 24:10
  humanly
• 24:10
  possible.
• 24:12
  And
• 24:12
  that
• 24:13
  seems
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  have
• 24:13
  gone
• 24:13
  by
• 24:13
  the
• 24:13
  wayside.
• 24:14
  Yeah.
• 24:14
  I
• 24:14
  mean,
• 24:15
  cutting
• 24:15
  into
• 24:15
  a
• 24:15
  perfectly
• 24:16
  good
• 24:16
  arm,
• 24:17
  there's
• 24:17
  something
• 24:18
  warped
• 24:18
  about
• 24:19
  that.
• 24:19
  There's
• 24:19
  something
• 24:19
  not
• 24:20
  right.
• 24:20
  And
• 24:21
  these
• 24:21
  people
• 24:21
  don't
• 24:22
  have
• 24:22
  their
• 24:22
  heads
• 24:22
  in
• 24:22
  the
• 24:23
  right
• 24:23
  places,
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  don't
• 24:24
  think,
• 24:25
  but
• 24:26
  that's
• 24:27
  something
• 24:27
  to
• 24:27
  be
• 24:27
  considered.
• 24:29
  The
• 24:29
  statement
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  read
• 24:31
  on
• 24:31
  Sabre
• 24:32
  about
• 24:33
  you,
• 24:33
  John,
• 24:33
  it
• 24:33
  says
• 24:34
  his
• 24:34
  consistent
• 24:35
  consistency
• 24:35
  on
• 24:36
  the
• 24:36
  mound
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  your
• 24:37
  contributions
• 24:38
  to
• 24:39
  your
• 24:39
  team
• 24:40
  success,
• 24:41
  not
• 24:41
  your
• 24:41
  record,
• 24:42
  are
• 24:43
  what
• 24:43
  made
• 24:43
  John
• 24:43
  Matt
• 24:44
  like
• 24:44
  an
• 24:44
  underrated
• 24:45
  and
• 24:45
  unappreciated
• 24:47
  pitcher.
• 24:47
  How
• 24:47
  do
• 24:47
  you
• 24:47
  feel
• 24:48
  about
• 24:48
  that
• 24:48
  statement?
• 24:51
  Oh,
• 24:53
  wish
• 24:53
  it
• 24:54
  wasn't
• 24:54
  true,
• 24:57
  but
• 24:57
  it
• 24:57
  may
• 24:57
  be.
• 24:59
  And
• 24:59
  I
• 24:59
  didn't
• 24:59
  know
• 25:02
  really
• 25:02
  too
• 25:02
  much
• 25:02
  about
• 25:03
  that
• 25:03
  until
• 25:04
  after
• 25:04
  I
• 25:04
  was
• 25:04
  done
• 25:04
  playing.
• 25:05
  I
• 25:05
  saw
• 25:05
  some
• 25:05
  of
• 25:06
  the
• 25:06
  statistics
• 25:07
  and
• 25:07
  talked
• 25:08
  to
• 25:09
  some
• 25:09
  of
• 25:09
  the
• 25:09
  folks
• 25:10
  involved
• 25:11
  with
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  beginning
• 25:12
  of
• 25:13
  Sabre,
• 25:14
  and
• 25:18
  it's
• 25:18
  an
• 25:18
  interesting
• 25:19
  way
• 25:19
  to
• 25:19
  look
• 25:19
  at
• 25:20
  things.
• 25:20
  When
• 25:20
  DeGrom
• 25:21
  had
• 25:21
  not
• 25:22
  such
• 25:22
  a
• 25:22
  great
• 25:22
  win
• 25:23
  year,
• 25:23
  but
• 25:23
  had
• 25:23
  great
• 25:24
  statistics
• 25:24
  and
• 25:24
  won
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  Cy
• 25:25
  Young,
• 25:26
  my
• 25:27
  name
• 25:27
  got
• 25:27
  brought
• 25:28
  back
• 25:28
  up
• 25:28
  because
• 25:28
  I
• 25:29
  had
• 25:29
  had
• 25:29
  a
• 25:29
  similar
• 25:29
  season
• 25:30
  in
• 25:30
  74
• 25:31
  and
• 25:31
  was
• 25:31
  never
• 25:32
  considered,
• 25:33
  and
• 25:33
  somebody
• 25:34
  compared
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  two
• 25:34
  for
• 25:35
  me
• 25:35
  and
• 25:35
  it
• 25:35
  was
• 25:35
  astonishing
• 25:36
  how
• 25:37
  close
• 25:37
  they
• 25:37
  were.
• 25:39
  Probably
• 25:40
  I
• 25:40
  actually
• 25:41
  had
• 25:41
  a
• 25:41
  heavier
• 25:41
  workload
• 25:43
  than
• 25:43
  he
• 25:43
  did.
• 25:44
  But
• 25:45
  it's
• 25:45
  just
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  game
• 25:46
  was
• 25:47
  decided
• 25:47
  by
• 25:48
  wins
• 25:48
  and
• 25:48
  losses.
• 25:49
  And
• 25:50
  I
• 25:50
  was
• 25:51
  13
• 25:51
  and
• 25:51
  15
• 25:52
  that
• 25:52
  year.
• 25:52
  So
• 25:53
  was
• 25:54
  not,
• 25:54
  was
• 25:54
  not
• 25:55
  even
• 25:55
  considered,
• 25:55
  but
• 25:56
  probably
• 25:56
  was
• 25:57
  in
• 25:57
  the
• 25:58
  top
• 25:58
  10
• 26:00
  in
• 26:00
  all
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  baseball
• 26:01
  in
• 26:01
  just
• 26:02
  about
• 26:02
  all
• 26:03
  positive
• 26:03
  pitching
• 26:04
  categories.
• 26:05
  Something
• 26:05
  I
• 26:05
  did
• 26:06
  not
• 26:06
  know
• 26:06
  until
• 26:07
  way
• 26:07
  beyond
• 26:07
  that
• 26:08
  season.
• 26:08
  Yeah,
• 26:09
  folks,
• 26:09
  as
• 26:10
  you
• 26:10
  know,
• 26:10
  you
• 26:10
  go
• 26:10
  on
• 26:10
  the
• 26:11
  MLB
• 26:11
  Network
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  you
• 26:12
  can
• 26:12
  hear
• 26:13
  them
• 26:13
  say
• 26:13
  that
• 26:14
  wins
• 26:14
  and
• 26:15
  losses
• 26:15
  don't
• 26:15
  matter
• 26:16
  as
• 26:16
  far
• 26:16
  as
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  pitchers
• 26:17
  go.
• 26:17
  It's
• 26:18
  the
• 26:18
  whip.
• 26:19
  All
• 26:19
  the
• 26:19
  anachronyms
• 26:20
  that
• 26:20
  you
• 26:20
  hear
• 26:21
  about.
• 26:21
  But
• 26:22
  back
• 26:22
  then,
• 26:22
  back
• 26:23
  in
• 26:23
  our
• 26:24
  day,
• 26:24
  John,
• 26:25
  if
• 26:25
  you
• 26:25
  won
• 26:25
  20
• 26:26
  games,
• 26:26
  you'd
• 26:26
  be
• 26:26
  in
• 26:27
  serious
• 26:28
  competition
• 26:29
  for
• 26:29
  the
• 26:29
  Cy
• 26:29
  Young.
• 26:31
  No
• 26:31
  question.
• 26:32
  That
• 26:33
  was
• 26:33
  one
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  the
• 26:34
  bookmarks
• 26:35
  that
• 26:35
  you
• 26:35
  sort
• 26:35
  of
• 26:35
  had
• 26:35
  to
• 26:35
  hit
• 26:36
  if
• 26:36
  you
• 26:36
  wanted
• 26:36
  to
• 26:37
  be
• 26:37
  in
• 26:37
  contention.
• 26:39
  And
• 26:40
  I
• 26:40
  don't
• 26:40
  know
• 26:41
  that
• 26:41
  everybody
• 26:41
  did,
• 26:41
  but
• 26:42
  usually
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  guys
• 26:43
  that
• 26:43
  want
• 26:44
  it
• 26:44
  were
• 26:45
  in
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  20
• 26:45
  bracket
• 26:46
  somewhere,
• 26:46
  right?
• 26:47
  Yeah,
• 26:47
  that
• 26:47
  was
• 26:48
  the
• 26:48
  criteria
• 26:48
  back
• 26:49
  then,
• 26:49
  folks.
• 26:49
  And
• 26:50
  as
• 26:50
  Casey
• 26:50
  used
• 26:51
  to
• 26:51
  say,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  can
• 26:51
  look
• 26:51
  it
• 26:51
  up.
• 26:53
  What
• 26:53
  keeps
• 26:53
  you
• 26:53
  busy
• 26:54
  these
• 26:54
  days?
• 26:54
  John
• 26:56
  I
• 26:56
  am
• 26:57
  retired
• 26:58
  and
• 26:58
  today
• 26:58
  I
• 26:59
  shoveled
• 26:59
  snow
• 26:59
  like
• 27:00
  crazy.
• 27:00
  Oh,
• 27:01
  you
• 27:01
  got
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  watch
• 27:01
  out,
• 27:02
  my
• 27:02
  friend.
• 27:02
  Yeah,
• 27:02
  you
• 27:03
  got
• 27:03
  to
• 27:03
  be
• 27:03
  careful
• 27:04
  up
• 27:04
  there
• 27:04
  with
• 27:04
  that
• 27:04
  stuff.
• 27:05
  No
• 27:06
  doubt,
• 27:06
  no
• 27:06
  doubt.
• 27:07
  No,
• 27:07
  I
• 27:07
  am
• 27:07
  helping
• 27:09
  with
• 27:09
  a
• 27:10
  baseball
• 27:11
  team
• 27:11
  or
• 27:11
  prep
• 27:12
  school
• 27:12
  that's
• 27:13
  down
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  road
• 27:13
  from
• 27:14
  where
• 27:14
  I'm
• 27:14
  living
• 27:14
  now
• 27:14
  and
• 27:15
  enjoying
• 27:16
  that
• 27:16
  whole
• 27:17
  bunch.
• 27:18
  Other
• 27:19
  than
• 27:19
  that,
• 27:19
  it's
• 27:19
  just
• 27:21
  enjoying
• 27:22
  life.
• 27:22
  My
• 27:22
  dog,
• 27:22
  my
• 27:23
  wife
• 27:23
  and
• 27:24
  taking
• 27:24
  care
• 27:24
  of
• 27:24
  the
• 27:25
  family.
• 27:25
  Outstanding
• 27:27
  great
• 27:27
  ideas
• 27:27
  you
• 27:28
  got
• 27:28
  there.
• 27:28
  All
• 27:29
  worthwhile
• 27:29
  things.
• 27:30
  And
• 27:31
  we
• 27:31
  thank
• 27:31
  you
• 27:32
  for
• 27:32
  being
• 27:32
  with
• 27:32
  us
• 27:32
  tonight,
• 27:33
  John.
• 27:33
  John
• 27:34
  Matlak,
• 27:34
  it's
• 27:35
  been
• 27:35
  a
• 27:35
  pleasure.
• 27:36
  Thanks
• 27:36
  for
• 27:36
  taking
• 27:37
  time
• 27:37
  out
• 27:37
  of
• 27:38
  your
• 27:38
  Sunday
• 27:38
  evening
• 27:39
  to
• 27:39
  spend
• 27:39
  it
• 27:39
  with
• 27:40
  us
• 27:40
  down
• 27:40
  here
• 27:40
  on
• 27:41
  Long
• 27:41
  Island.
• 27:42
  We
• 27:43
  wish
• 27:43
  you
• 27:43
  all
• 27:43
  the
• 27:43
  best
• 27:44
  and
• 27:45
  maybe
• 27:45
  we'll
• 27:45
  catch
• 27:46
  you
• 27:46
  in
• 27:46
  Saugerty
• 27:47
  sometime.
• 27:48
  Hey,
• 27:48
  that's
• 27:49
  a
• 27:49
  possibility.
• 27:49
  I
• 27:50
  enjoyed
• 27:50
  it.
• 27:50
  Take
• 27:50
  care,
• 27:50
  Bill.
• 27:51
  Great.
• 27:51
  That's
• 27:51
  John
• 27:52
  Matlak,
• 27:52
  ladies
• 27:52
  and
• 27:53
  gentlemen.
• 27:53
  Up
• 27:54
  next
• 27:54
  on
• 27:54
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• 27:55
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• 27:55
  New
• 27:55
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• 27:56
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• 27:56
  will
• 27:56
  welcome
• 27:56
  in
• 27:57
  another
• 27:57
  former
• 27:57
  met
• 27:58
  Bob
• 27:58
  Apodaca.
• 27:59
  He
• 27:59
  will
• 28:00
  join
• 28:00
  us.
• 28:00
  So
• 28:00
  stick
• 28:01
  with
• 28:01
  us
• 28:01
  folks.
• 28:25
  You
• 28:25
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• 28:26
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• 28:29
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• 28:32
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• 28:57
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• 28:58
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• 28:59
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• 28:59
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• 29:06
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• 29:06
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• 29:06
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• 29:06
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• 29:07
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• 29:15
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• 29:15
  Island.
• 29:16
  New
• 29:16
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• 29:16
  just
• 29:17
  had
• 29:17
  an
• 29:17
  update.
• 29:17
  Tampa
• 29:18
  Bay
• 29:18
  Bucks,
• 29:19
  who
• 29:19
  I'm
• 29:20
  a
• 29:20
  fan
• 29:20
  of,
• 29:20
  if
• 29:20
  you
• 29:20
  are,
• 29:21
  you'd
• 29:21
  be
• 29:21
  interested.
• 29:22
  They
• 29:22
  are
• 29:22
  winning
• 29:23
  three
• 29:23
  to
• 29:23
  nothing
• 29:24
  over
• 29:24
  the
• 29:24
  Washington
• 29:25
  Commanders.
• 29:26
  So
• 29:26
  buccaneers
• 29:27
  ahead.
• 29:27
  Fire
• 29:27
  them
• 29:28
  cannons,
• 29:28
  folks.
• 29:29
  30,
• 29:30
  almost
• 29:31
  29
• 29:32
  days
• 29:32
  until
• 29:33
  pitchers
• 29:33
  and
• 29:33
  catchers
• 29:34
  report
• 29:34
  to
• 29:35
  spring
• 29:35
  training
• 29:35
  camps
• 29:36
  in
• 29:37
  Florida
• 29:37
  and
• 29:37
  Arizona.
• 29:39
  Here
• 29:39
  we
• 29:39
  are
• 29:39
  entering
• 29:40
  into
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  excitement
• 29:41
  of
• 29:41
  NFL
• 29:42
  playoff
• 29:42
  football
• 29:43
  and
• 29:44
  we
• 29:44
  are
• 29:44
  stoking
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  flames
• 29:45
  of
• 29:46
  the
• 29:46
  hot
• 29:46
  stove,
• 29:46
  talking
• 29:47
  baseball.
• 29:47
  It
• 29:47
  shows
• 29:48
  you
• 29:48
  where
• 29:49
  your
• 29:49
  host's
• 29:49
  heart
• 29:50
  lies,
• 29:50
  folks.
• 29:51
  Just
• 29:51
  as
• 29:51
  a
• 29:51
  reminder,
• 29:52
  the
• 29:53
  results
• 29:53
  of
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  Baseball
• 29:54
  Writers
• 29:54
  association
• 29:55
  of
• 29:55
  America's
• 29:56
  vote
• 29:56
  will
• 29:57
  be
• 29:57
  announced
• 29:57
  on
• 29:58
  January
• 29:58
  21st.
• 30:00
  It'll
• 30:00
  be
• 30:00
  on
• 30:01
  MLB
• 30:01
  Network,
• 30:02
  as
• 30:02
  it
• 30:02
  always
• 30:03
  is.
• 30:03
  And
• 30:04
  this
• 30:04
  will
• 30:05
  reveal
• 30:06
  to
• 30:06
  us
• 30:06
  who,
• 30:07
  if
• 30:07
  anybody,
• 30:08
  will
• 30:08
  have
• 30:08
  gained
• 30:09
  entry
• 30:09
  into
• 30:10
  the
• 30:10
  National
• 30:10
  Baseball
• 30:10
  hall
• 30:11
  of
• 30:11
  Fame
• 30:11
  and
• 30:12
  who
• 30:12
  will
• 30:12
  join
• 30:12
  Dave
• 30:13
  Parker
• 30:13
  and
• 30:13
  Richie
• 30:13
  Allen
• 30:14
  to
• 30:14
  comprise
• 30:15
  the
• 30:16
  class
• 30:16
  of
• 30:17
  2025
• 30:18
  to
• 30:18
  be
• 30:18
  inducted
• 30:19
  in
• 30:19
  July
• 30:19
  in
• 30:20
  Cooperstown,
• 30:21
  New
• 30:21
  York.
• 30:21
  So
• 30:22
  we're
• 30:22
  going
• 30:22
  to
• 30:22
  have
• 30:22
  our
• 30:22
  eyes
• 30:23
  set
• 30:23
  on
• 30:23
  that
• 30:23
  for
• 30:23
  sure.
• 30:24
  But
• 30:24
  our
• 30:24
  next
• 30:24
  guest,
• 30:25
  he
• 30:25
  pitched
• 30:25
  for
• 30:26
  the
• 30:26
  Mets
• 30:26
  from
• 30:26
  73
• 30:27
  to
• 30:27
  77.
• 30:28
  Then
• 30:29
  he
• 30:29
  went
• 30:29
  on
• 30:29
  to
• 30:29
  serve
• 30:29
  as
• 30:30
  pitching
• 30:30
  coach
• 30:30
  for
• 30:31
  the
• 30:31
  Mets,
• 30:31
  brewers
• 30:32
  and
• 30:32
  the
• 30:32
  Rockies.
• 30:33
  We're
• 30:33
  happy
• 30:33
  to
• 30:33
  have
• 30:33
  him
• 30:34
  with
• 30:34
  us
• 30:34
  tonight.
• 30:34
  Let's
• 30:34
  welcome
• 30:35
  to
• 30:35
  Sports
• 30:35
  Talk
• 30:36
  New
• 30:36
  York,
• 30:36
  Bob
• 30:37
  Apodaca.
• 30:37
  Bob,
• 30:38
  good
• 30:38
  evening.
• 30:39
  Hi.
• 30:40
  How
• 30:40
  are
• 30:40
  you,
• 30:40
  Bill?
• 30:40
  We're
• 30:41
  doing
• 30:41
  great.
• 30:41
  Bob.
• 30:42
  Great
• 30:42
  to
• 30:42
  have
• 30:42
  you
• 30:43
  with
• 30:43
  us.
• 30:43
  Now,
• 30:43
  you
• 30:44
  grew
• 30:44
  up
• 30:44
  in
• 30:44
  Southern
• 30:45
  California.
• 30:45
  Who
• 30:45
  are
• 30:46
  your
• 30:46
  teams
• 30:46
  and
• 30:46
  your
• 30:46
  sports
• 30:47
  heroes
• 30:47
  back
• 30:47
  when
• 30:48
  you
• 30:48
  were
• 30:48
  a
• 30:48
  kid?
• 30:49
  Well,
• 30:50
  baseball
• 30:51
  was,
• 30:52
  I
• 30:52
  was
• 30:52
  a
• 30:52
  big
• 30:52
  Dodger
• 30:53
  fan.
• 30:53
  I
• 30:54
  probably
• 30:54
  listened
• 30:54
  to
• 30:55
  10,000
• 30:56
  Dodger
• 30:57
  games
• 30:58
  listening
• 30:58
  to
• 30:58
  Vin
• 30:59
  Scully.
• 31:00
  Nice.
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  love
• 31:01
  the
• 31:01
  LA
• 31:02
  Rams.
• 31:02
  Listening
• 31:03
  to
• 31:03
  Dick
• 31:03
  Enberg
• 31:04
  and
• 31:05
  call
• 31:05
  the
• 31:05
  LA
• 31:06
  Ram
• 31:06
  games.
• 31:07
  Two
• 31:07
  greats.
• 31:08
  Yeah,
• 31:08
  there
• 31:09
  was
• 31:09
  no
• 31:09
  hockey
• 31:10
  at
• 31:10
  that
• 31:11
  time,
• 31:11
  so
• 31:12
  it
• 31:12
  was,
• 31:13
  it
• 31:13
  was
• 31:14
  basically,
• 31:15
  oh,
• 31:15
  and
• 31:15
  then
• 31:15
  the
• 31:16
  Lakers.
• 31:16
  But
• 31:16
  I
• 31:16
  was
• 31:16
  a
• 31:17
  Boston
• 31:17
  Celtic
• 31:17
  fan
• 31:18
  for
• 31:18
  some
• 31:18
  reason.
• 31:18
  I
• 31:19
  just
• 31:19
  love
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  Celtics.
• 31:20
  And
• 31:21
  so
• 31:21
  the
• 31:22
  Lakers
• 31:22
  in
• 31:22
  Boston,
• 31:23
  they
• 31:23
  faced
• 31:23
  off
• 31:24
  a
• 31:24
  number
• 31:24
  of
• 31:24
  times,
• 31:25
  but
• 31:25
  it
• 31:26
  was
• 31:26
  always
• 31:26
  in
• 31:26
  Boston
• 31:27
  favor.
• 31:28
  Yeah,
• 31:28
  it
• 31:29
  went
• 31:29
  their
• 31:29
  way.
• 31:30
  Some,
• 31:31
  some
• 31:31
  storied
• 31:31
  matchups,
• 31:32
  folks,
• 31:32
  between
• 31:33
  Wilt
• 31:34
  and
• 31:34
  Bill
• 31:34
  Russell.
• 31:35
  But
• 31:35
  that's
• 31:36
  a
• 31:36
  show
• 31:36
  for
• 31:36
  another
• 31:37
  night,
• 31:37
  right,
• 31:37
  Bob?
• 31:38
  Now,
• 31:39
  you
• 31:39
  signed
• 31:39
  with
• 31:39
  the
• 31:39
  Mets
• 31:40
  as
• 31:40
  an
• 31:40
  amateur
• 31:41
  in
• 31:41
  71.
• 31:42
  You
• 31:42
  spent
• 31:43
  three
• 31:43
  seasons
• 31:44
  down
• 31:44
  on
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  farm.
• 31:45
  You
• 31:46
  made
• 31:46
  your
• 31:46
  major
• 31:46
  league
• 31:47
  debut
• 31:48
  in
• 31:48
  1973.
• 31:50
  You
• 31:50
  faced
• 31:51
  two
• 31:51
  Pirate
• 31:51
  batters
• 31:52
  that
• 31:52
  day.
• 31:53
  You
• 31:53
  walked
• 31:53
  both
• 31:54
  of
• 31:54
  them
• 31:54
  and
• 31:54
  one
• 31:55
  of
• 31:55
  them
• 31:55
  came
• 31:55
  around
• 31:56
  to
• 31:56
  score.
• 31:57
  And
• 31:57
  it
• 31:57
  wasn't
• 31:58
  a
• 31:58
  good
• 31:58
  day
• 31:58
  for
• 31:58
  you,
• 31:59
  Bob.
• 32:01
  Well,
• 32:01
  it
• 32:01
  was
• 32:01
  a
• 32:02
  memorable
• 32:02
  day.
• 32:03
  People,
• 32:04
  people
• 32:05
  remember
• 32:06
  my
• 32:06
  infinity
• 32:07
  era
• 32:07
  for
• 32:08
  that
• 32:08
  winter.
• 32:11
  The
• 32:11
  thing
• 32:13
  that
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  remember
• 32:14
  most
• 32:14
  is
• 32:15
  that,
• 32:16
  you
• 32:16
  know,
• 32:18
  I
• 32:18
  was
• 32:19
  thought
• 32:19
  of
• 32:20
  enough
• 32:21
  at
• 32:22
  that
• 32:22
  time
• 32:23
  for
• 32:23
  the
• 32:24
  Season
• 32:24
  that
• 32:25
  I
• 32:25
  just
• 32:25
  finished
• 32:26
  in
• 32:26
  in
• 32:26
  aaa.
• 32:28
  And
• 32:29
  to
• 32:30
  warrant
• 32:31
  being
• 32:31
  called
• 32:32
  to
• 32:32
  pitch
• 32:32
  the
• 32:33
  ninth
• 32:33
  inning,
• 32:34
  I
• 32:34
  mean,
• 32:34
  Buzz
• 32:34
  Capper
• 32:35
  was
• 32:35
  down
• 32:35
  in
• 32:35
  the
• 32:35
  bullpen.
• 32:36
  I
• 32:36
  don't
• 32:36
  know
• 32:36
  who
• 32:36
  else
• 32:37
  was
• 32:37
  available
• 32:37
  that
• 32:38
  night,
• 32:38
  but
• 32:39
  I
• 32:39
  didn't
• 32:39
  think
• 32:40
  I
• 32:40
  would
• 32:40
  be
• 32:40
  available
• 32:41
  because,
• 32:42
  to
• 32:42
  be
• 32:42
  honest,
• 32:43
  I
• 32:43
  hadn't
• 32:43
  touched
• 32:43
  a
• 32:44
  baseball
• 32:44
  in
• 32:44
  two
• 32:44
  weeks.
• 32:46
  I
• 32:46
  had
• 32:46
  finished
• 32:47
  my
• 32:47
  AAA
• 32:47
  season
• 32:48
  and
• 32:48
  drove
• 32:49
  all
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  way
• 32:49
  back
• 32:49
  to
• 32:49
  California.
• 32:50
  So
• 32:52
  I
• 32:52
  was
• 32:52
  off
• 32:52
  another
• 32:53
  week.
• 32:53
  And
• 32:53
  then
• 32:53
  I
• 32:53
  got
• 32:54
  a
• 32:54
  call
• 32:54
  to
• 32:54
  meet
• 32:54
  him
• 32:54
  in
• 32:54
  Pittsburgh
• 32:55
  and
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  took
• 32:56
  the
• 32:56
  first
• 32:57
  plane
• 32:57
  I
• 32:57
  could
• 32:58
  to
• 32:58
  get
• 32:58
  there.
• 32:58
  And,
• 33:00
  you
• 33:00
  know,
• 33:00
  the
• 33:01
  rest
• 33:01
  is,
• 33:01
  you
• 33:02
  know,
• 33:02
  I
• 33:02
  went
• 33:02
  to
• 33:02
  the
• 33:02
  ballpark
• 33:03
  the
• 33:03
  next
• 33:03
  day
• 33:03
  and
• 33:04
  headed
• 33:04
  down
• 33:04
  to
• 33:04
  the
• 33:04
  bullpen.
• 33:05
  Well,
• 33:05
  and
• 33:05
  then
• 33:05
  I
• 33:05
  saw
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  bunch
• 33:06
  of
• 33:06
  guys
• 33:06
  that
• 33:06
  was
• 33:06
  at.
• 33:07
  That
• 33:07
  were
• 33:07
  at
• 33:07
  AAA
• 33:08
  also.
• 33:09
  You
• 33:09
  know,
• 33:09
  the
• 33:09
  Loot
• 33:10
  Barnes,
• 33:10
  the
• 33:10
  Dave
• 33:11
  Schnecks.
• 33:11
  Wow.
• 33:12
  You
• 33:12
  know,
• 33:13
  Tommy
• 33:13
  Moore's,
• 33:14
  the
• 33:14
  Buzz
• 33:15
  Capras,
• 33:16
  they
• 33:16
  were
• 33:16
  all
• 33:17
  in
• 33:18
  at
• 33:18
  Tidewater
• 33:19
  those
• 33:19
  that
• 33:19
  year.
• 33:20
  So,
• 33:21
  you
• 33:21
  know,
• 33:21
  being
• 33:22
  reunited,
• 33:22
  because
• 33:23
  that
• 33:23
  was
• 33:23
  our
• 33:23
  goal.
• 33:24
  Our
• 33:24
  goal
• 33:24
  was
• 33:25
  not
• 33:25
  to
• 33:25
  pitch
• 33:26
  aaa.
• 33:26
  Our
• 33:26
  goal
• 33:27
  was
• 33:27
  to
• 33:28
  eventually
• 33:28
  get
• 33:28
  to
• 33:28
  the
• 33:29
  big
• 33:29
  leagues.
• 33:29
  And
• 33:30
  so.
• 33:30
  Right.
• 33:31
  But
• 33:31
  little
• 33:32
  did
• 33:32
  I
• 33:32
  know
• 33:32
  that
• 33:33
  when
• 33:33
  that
• 33:33
  phone
• 33:34
  rang
• 33:34
  in
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  ninth
• 33:35
  inning
• 33:35
  to
• 33:35
  get
• 33:35
  me
• 33:35
  up,
• 33:36
  it
• 33:36
  caught
• 33:37
  me
• 33:37
  a
• 33:37
  little
• 33:37
  bit
• 33:38
  by
• 33:38
  surprise.
• 33:39
  But
• 33:39
  as
• 33:40
  you
• 33:40
  say,
• 33:40
  Bob,
• 33:40
  they
• 33:40
  thought
• 33:41
  enough
• 33:41
  of
• 33:41
  you
• 33:42
  to
• 33:42
  put
• 33:42
  you
• 33:42
  in
• 33:42
  that
• 33:43
  situation.
• 33:43
  So
• 33:44
  that's
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  good
• 33:44
  thing.
• 33:45
  Either
• 33:46
  that
• 33:46
  or
• 33:46
  they
• 33:46
  had
• 33:47
  no
• 33:47
  other
• 33:47
  options.
• 33:50
  Yeah,
• 33:51
  they
• 33:51
  were
• 33:51
  about
• 33:51
  to
• 33:52
  warm
• 33:52
  up.
• 33:52
  Rube
• 33:53
  Walker,
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  guess,
• 33:53
  at
• 33:54
  that
• 33:54
  point.
• 33:54
  Is
• 33:54
  that
• 33:54
  what
• 33:54
  you.
• 33:57
  Some
• 33:57
  great
• 33:57
  names
• 33:58
  you
• 33:58
  mentioned
• 33:58
  though,
• 33:59
  Bob.
• 33:59
  And
• 34:00
  you
• 34:00
  folks
• 34:00
  can
• 34:00
  Google
• 34:01
  these
• 34:01
  guys.
• 34:02
  These
• 34:02
  were
• 34:02
  the
• 34:02
  future
• 34:03
  Mets
• 34:04
  down
• 34:04
  in
• 34:05
  aaa.
• 34:05
  Luke
• 34:06
  Barnes,
• 34:06
  the
• 34:06
  second
• 34:07
  baseman,
• 34:07
  Dave
• 34:08
  Schneck
• 34:08
  was
• 34:09
  thought
• 34:09
  of
• 34:09
  to
• 34:09
  be
• 34:10
  a
• 34:11
  great
• 34:11
  prospect
• 34:12
  out
• 34:12
  in
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  outfield.
• 34:13
  And
• 34:14
  I
• 34:14
  remember
• 34:15
  one
• 34:15
  September
• 34:16
  I
• 34:16
  was
• 34:16
  at
• 34:16
  Shea
• 34:17
  Stadium
• 34:17
  and
• 34:17
  I
• 34:18
  got
• 34:18
  Tommy
• 34:18
  Moore's
• 34:19
  autograph
• 34:19
  and
• 34:19
  I
• 34:20
  thought,
• 34:20
  oh,
• 34:20
  man,
• 34:21
  here's
• 34:21
  the
• 34:21
  future.
• 34:22
  You
• 34:22
  know,
• 34:22
  I'm
• 34:23
  going
• 34:23
  to.
• 34:24
  It
• 34:25
  was
• 34:25
  a
• 34:25
  great
• 34:25
  thing.
• 34:25
  But
• 34:26
  those,
• 34:26
  those
• 34:27
  were,
• 34:27
  you
• 34:27
  know,
• 34:28
  they
• 34:28
  warranted
• 34:28
  pictures
• 34:29
  in
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  yearbook.
• 34:30
  They
• 34:30
  were
• 34:30
  the
• 34:30
  future
• 34:31
  Mets.
• 34:32
  I
• 34:33
  know.
• 34:33
  And
• 34:33
  it,
• 34:34
  you
• 34:34
  know,
• 34:35
  Craig
• 34:35
  Swan
• 34:36
  was
• 34:36
  down
• 34:36
  there
• 34:37
  with
• 34:37
  me.
• 34:37
  Yeah.
• 34:38
  Royce.
• 34:38
  Royce
• 34:39
  Steger.
• 34:39
  Roy
• 34:40
  Steger.
• 34:40
  Yeah.
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  mean,
• 34:41
  the
• 34:41
  list.
• 34:42
  List
• 34:42
  goes
• 34:43
  on
• 34:43
  and
• 34:43
  on.
• 34:44
  That,
• 34:46
  that
• 34:46
  I
• 34:47
  grew
• 34:47
  up
• 34:47
  with,
• 34:48
  you
• 34:48
  know,
• 34:48
  from
• 34:48
  Double
• 34:49
  A
• 34:49
  to
• 34:49
  Triple
• 34:50
  A.
• 34:50
  And
• 34:50
  then.
• 34:51
  And
• 34:51
  then
• 34:51
  we
• 34:51
  kind
• 34:51
  of
• 34:51
  filtered
• 34:52
  into
• 34:52
  New
• 34:52
  York,
• 34:53
  so.
• 34:53
  Right.
• 34:54
  It
• 34:55
  was.
• 34:55
  It
• 34:55
  was
• 34:55
  kind
• 34:56
  of.
• 34:56
  We
• 34:56
  were
• 34:57
  homegrown
• 34:58
  and
• 34:59
  so,
• 35:00
  you
• 35:00
  know,
• 35:01
  we
• 35:01
  just
• 35:01
  lacked
• 35:01
  that,
• 35:02
  you
• 35:02
  know,
• 35:03
  that
• 35:03
  straw
• 35:04
  that
• 35:04
  stirred
• 35:05
  the
• 35:05
  drink,
• 35:08
  you
• 35:08
  know,
• 35:08
  other
• 35:08
  than
• 35:08
  the
• 35:08
  pitching.
• 35:09
  The
• 35:09
  pitching
• 35:09
  was
• 35:10
  always
• 35:10
  there
• 35:10
  in
• 35:10
  New
• 35:11
  York,
• 35:11
  but
• 35:13
  just
• 35:14
  didn't
• 35:14
  seem
• 35:14
  to
• 35:14
  have
• 35:15
  that
• 35:17
  Piazza,
• 35:18
  that
• 35:19
  Soto
• 35:19
  that's
• 35:20
  there
• 35:20
  now
• 35:20
  that.
• 35:22
  That
• 35:22
  hitter
• 35:23
  that
• 35:23
  struck
• 35:24
  Fear,
• 35:24
  you
• 35:24
  know,
• 35:24
  Rusty
• 35:25
  Staub,
• 35:25
  outstanding
• 35:26
  hitter.
• 35:27
  Cleon
• 35:28
  Jones,
• 35:28
  outstanding
• 35:29
  hitter.
• 35:31
  But
• 35:31
  that
• 35:32
  one
• 35:32
  guy
• 35:32
  that
• 35:33
  would
• 35:33
  strike
• 35:33
  fear
• 35:34
  in
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  opposition.
• 35:35
  No,
• 35:35
  they
• 35:35
  were
• 35:35
  always
• 35:36
  trying
• 35:36
  to
• 35:36
  bring
• 35:36
  in
• 35:36
  somebody
• 35:37
  and
• 35:37
  they
• 35:37
  were
• 35:37
  past
• 35:38
  their
• 35:38
  prime.
• 35:38
  The
• 35:39
  perfect
• 35:39
  example
• 35:39
  is
• 35:40
  Joe
• 35:40
  Torre,
• 35:40
  right,
• 35:41
  Bob?
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  mean,
• 35:41
  they
• 35:41
  bring
• 35:41
  Joe
• 35:42
  Torrey
• 35:42
  in
• 35:42
  after
• 35:43
  trying
• 35:43
  to
• 35:43
  get
• 35:43
  him
• 35:43
  for
• 35:43
  10
• 35:44
  years.
• 35:44
  They
• 35:45
  bring
• 35:45
  him
• 35:45
  in
• 35:45
  and
• 35:45
  he's
• 35:46
  past
• 35:46
  his
• 35:46
  prime.
• 35:47
  They
• 35:47
  were
• 35:47
  always
• 35:48
  trying
• 35:48
  to
• 35:48
  bring
• 35:48
  Cha
• 35:49
  Cha
• 35:49
  over
• 35:50
  and
• 35:51
  he
• 35:51
  was
• 35:51
  beyond
• 35:52
  his
• 35:52
  point
• 35:52
  of
• 35:52
  view.
• 35:53
  Returned
• 35:54
  by
• 35:54
  that
• 35:54
  point.
• 35:54
  They
• 35:54
  were
• 35:55
  always
• 35:55
  trying
• 35:55
  to
• 35:55
  bring
• 35:56
  guys
• 35:56
  in
• 35:57
  at.
• 35:57
  I
• 35:58
  mean,
• 35:58
  look
• 35:58
  at
• 35:58
  Joe
• 35:58
  Foy.
• 36:00
  I
• 36:00
  don't
• 36:00
  know
• 36:00
  if
• 36:00
  you
• 36:01
  remember
• 36:01
  him.
• 36:02
  I
• 36:02
  remember
• 36:02
  him
• 36:02
  from
• 36:03
  Boston.
• 36:03
  Yeah,
• 36:04
  he
• 36:04
  was
• 36:04
  shot
• 36:04
  when
• 36:05
  they
• 36:05
  brought
• 36:05
  him
• 36:05
  over
• 36:05
  here.
• 36:06
  You
• 36:06
  know,
• 36:07
  guys
• 36:07
  like
• 36:07
  that.
• 36:08
  Aspromonte
• 36:09
  was
• 36:09
  another
• 36:09
  guy
• 36:09
  who
• 36:10
  was
• 36:10
  at
• 36:10
  the
• 36:10
  end
• 36:10
  of
• 36:10
  his
• 36:10
  career.
• 36:11
  Fregosi
• 36:12
  was
• 36:12
  never
• 36:13
  the
• 36:13
  same
• 36:13
  when
• 36:13
  they
• 36:13
  brought
• 36:14
  him
• 36:14
  in.
• 36:14
  But
• 36:14
  that
• 36:15
  was
• 36:15
  the
• 36:15
  Mets
• 36:15
  back
• 36:16
  then,
• 36:16
  folks,
• 36:16
  and
• 36:18
  they
• 36:18
  weren't
• 36:18
  great
• 36:19
  days.
• 36:19
  Except
• 36:19
  for
• 36:20
  73.
• 36:20
  Were
• 36:21
  you
• 36:21
  on
• 36:21
  the
• 36:21
  club
• 36:21
  in
• 36:22
  73,
• 36:22
  Bob?
• 36:23
  Well,
• 36:24
  I
• 36:24
  came.
• 36:25
  I
• 36:25
  wasn't
• 36:26
  eligible
• 36:26
  for
• 36:26
  the
• 36:26
  playoffs.
• 36:27
  Okay,
• 36:27
  yeah,
• 36:28
  because
• 36:29
  you
• 36:29
  have
• 36:29
  to
• 36:29
  be
• 36:29
  on
• 36:29
  that
• 36:30
  list
• 36:31
  before
• 36:31
  September
• 36:32
  1st.
• 36:32
  You
• 36:32
  have
• 36:33
  to
• 36:33
  be
• 36:33
  on
• 36:33
  the
• 36:33
  active
• 36:33
  roster.
• 36:34
  So
• 36:35
  I
• 36:35
  came
• 36:35
  up
• 36:35
  in
• 36:36
  September,
• 36:37
  so
• 36:37
  I
• 36:38
  wasn't
• 36:38
  eligible.
• 36:38
  But
• 36:39
  I
• 36:39
  was
• 36:39
  there
• 36:40
  for
• 36:41
  the
• 36:41
  whole
• 36:41
  month
• 36:41
  of
• 36:41
  September,
• 36:42
  obviously
• 36:42
  that
• 36:43
  series
• 36:43
  in
• 36:43
  Pittsburgh.
• 36:44
  But
• 36:44
  then
• 36:45
  I.
• 36:45
  We
• 36:45
  went
• 36:45
  home
• 36:46
  and
• 36:46
  we
• 36:47
  would
• 36:47
  play.
• 36:48
  We
• 36:48
  played
• 36:48
  Pittsburgh
• 36:49
  again.
• 36:50
  I
• 36:51
  was
• 36:51
  there
• 36:51
  warming
• 36:52
  up
• 36:52
  in
• 36:52
  the
• 36:52
  bullpen
• 36:54
  when
• 36:56
  Dave
• 36:56
  Augustine
• 36:57
  hit
• 36:57
  that
• 36:57
  ball
• 36:58
  off
• 36:58
  the
• 36:58
  left
• 36:58
  field
• 36:59
  fence,
• 37:00
  dreamed
• 37:01
  back
• 37:01
  to
• 37:01
  Cleon.
• 37:02
  Cleon
• 37:02
  threw
• 37:03
  a
• 37:03
  strike
• 37:03
  to
• 37:05
  Wayne
• 37:05
  Garrett
• 37:06
  and
• 37:06
  he
• 37:06
  threw
• 37:06
  a
• 37:06
  strike
• 37:07
  to
• 37:07
  Ronnie
• 37:07
  Hodges.
• 37:08
  The
• 37:08
  nail,
• 37:09
  the
• 37:10
  slowest
• 37:10
  runner
• 37:10
  on
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  Pirates
• 37:11
  team,
• 37:11
  Richie
• 37:12
  Zisk.
• 37:13
  So
• 37:13
  I'm
• 37:14
  going
• 37:14
  in
• 37:15
  next
• 37:15
  inning
• 37:16
  if
• 37:16
  we
• 37:16
  don't
• 37:17
  score.
• 37:17
  And
• 37:17
  then
• 37:17
  with
• 37:18
  two
• 37:18
  outs,
• 37:18
  I
• 37:19
  think
• 37:19
  it
• 37:19
  was
• 37:19
  two
• 37:19
  outs,
• 37:19
  I
• 37:19
  think
• 37:20
  Ronnie
• 37:20
  Hodges
• 37:20
  knocked
• 37:21
  in
• 37:21
  a
• 37:21
  run,
• 37:21
  the
• 37:21
  winning
• 37:22
  run.
• 37:22
  So
• 37:22
  I
• 37:23
  was
• 37:23
  going
• 37:23
  to
• 37:23
  get
• 37:23
  my
• 37:24
  second
• 37:24
  chance
• 37:24
  at
• 37:25
  the
• 37:25
  Pirates.
• 37:25
  So
• 37:26
  I
• 37:26
  almost
• 37:27
  got
• 37:27
  in
• 37:27
  again.
• 37:28
  You
• 37:29
  folks
• 37:29
  Google
• 37:29
  that
• 37:30
  play
• 37:31
  the
• 37:31
  head
• 37:31
  off
• 37:32
  the
• 37:32
  wall.
• 37:32
  It
• 37:32
  was
• 37:33
  amazing
• 37:33
  to
• 37:33
  see.
• 37:34
  And
• 37:35
  one
• 37:35
  of
• 37:35
  the
• 37:35
  most
• 37:35
  memorable
• 37:36
  plays
• 37:36
  in
• 37:36
  New
• 37:36
  York
• 37:37
  Mets
• 37:37
  history.
• 37:38
  Dave
• 37:38
  Augustine
• 37:39
  off
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  top
• 37:39
  of
• 37:40
  the
• 37:40
  wall.
• 37:40
  And
• 37:41
  as
• 37:41
  Bob
• 37:41
  said,
• 37:42
  Cleon
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  Garrett
• 37:44
  to
• 37:44
  Ron
• 37:44
  Hodges.
• 37:45
  And
• 37:45
  they
• 37:45
  nail
• 37:45
  Zisk
• 37:46
  at
• 37:46
  the
• 37:46
  plate.
• 37:47
  What
• 37:47
  a
• 37:47
  tremendous.
• 37:48
  I
• 37:48
  mean,
• 37:48
  Bob
• 37:48
  Murphy
• 37:49
  had
• 37:49
  a
• 37:49
  field
• 37:49
  day
• 37:49
  with
• 37:50
  that
• 37:50
  one,
• 37:50
  you
• 37:50
  know.
• 37:52
  Now
• 37:53
  how
• 37:53
  do
• 37:53
  you
• 37:53
  feel,
• 37:54
  Bob,
• 37:54
  about.
• 37:54
  I
• 37:55
  just
• 37:55
  talked
• 37:55
  to
• 37:55
  John
• 37:55
  Matlak
• 37:56
  and
• 37:57
  we
• 37:57
  spoke,
• 37:57
  of
• 37:57
  course
• 37:58
  about
• 37:58
  game
• 37:58
  six.
• 37:59
  Yogi
• 38:00
  goes
• 38:00
  with
• 38:00
  Seaver
• 38:01
  on
• 38:01
  short
• 38:02
  rest.
• 38:02
  What
• 38:03
  did
• 38:03
  you
• 38:03
  think
• 38:03
  of
• 38:04
  that
• 38:04
  move?
• 38:06
  Well,
• 38:06
  you
• 38:07
  know,
• 38:07
  back
• 38:07
  then
• 38:08
  I.
• 38:09
  I
• 38:09
  really
• 38:09
  wasn't
• 38:09
  aware
• 38:10
  of
• 38:10
  it.
• 38:11
  I
• 38:11
  wasn't
• 38:11
  in
• 38:12
  tune
• 38:12
  with
• 38:14
  really
• 38:14
  the
• 38:14
  rotation.
• 38:15
  But
• 38:16
  Putting
• 38:17
  my
• 38:17
  pitching
• 38:18
  coach
• 38:18
  hat
• 38:18
  on.
• 38:19
  You're
• 38:19
  always
• 38:20
  looking
• 38:22
  to
• 38:22
  keep
• 38:23
  guys
• 38:23
  at
• 38:23
  full
• 38:24
  rest.
• 38:24
  And
• 38:25
  it
• 38:25
  would
• 38:25
  have
• 38:25
  been
• 38:26
  full
• 38:26
  rest
• 38:26
  for
• 38:27
  Matlak
• 38:29
  and
• 38:30
  if
• 38:30
  he
• 38:30
  pitched
• 38:31
  game
• 38:31
  six.
• 38:31
  And
• 38:34
  is
• 38:34
  that
• 38:34
  the
• 38:34
  case?
• 38:35
  It
• 38:35
  was
• 38:35
  Matlab.
• 38:38
  George
• 38:38
  Stone
• 38:39
  was
• 38:39
  a
• 38:39
  guy
• 38:39
  that
• 38:40
  they
• 38:40
  could
• 38:40
  of
• 38:40
  views,
• 38:41
  but
• 38:41
  they
• 38:41
  brought
• 38:41
  seaver
• 38:42
  in
• 38:42
  on
• 38:42
  6
• 38:43
  in
• 38:43
  game
• 38:44
  6
• 38:44
  on
• 38:44
  short
• 38:44
  rest
• 38:45
  and
• 38:46
  they
• 38:46
  didn't
• 38:46
  want
• 38:46
  to
• 38:47
  save
• 38:47
  him
• 38:47
  for
• 38:47
  a
• 38:47
  possible
• 38:48
  seven
• 38:48
  because
• 38:48
  they
• 38:49
  would
• 38:49
  have
• 38:49
  clinched
• 38:50
  the
• 38:50
  World
• 38:50
  Series
• 38:50
  if
• 38:51
  game
• 38:52
  six
• 38:52
  came
• 38:53
  out.
• 38:53
  On
• 38:53
  the
• 38:53
  positive
• 38:54
  side,
• 38:54
  turns
• 38:55
  out
• 38:55
  they
• 38:55
  run
• 38:55
  Matlak
• 38:56
  out
• 38:56
  in
• 38:56
  game
• 38:57
  seven
• 38:58
  and
• 38:58
  he
• 38:58
  gives
• 38:59
  up
• 38:59
  the
• 38:59
  only
• 38:59
  two
• 39:00
  home
• 39:00
  runs
• 39:00
  that
• 39:00
  the
• 39:01
  vaunted
• 39:01
  Oakland
• 39:02
  A's
• 39:02
  hit
• 39:02
  the
• 39:03
  entire
• 39:03
  series.
• 39:04
  So
• 39:05
  it's
• 39:05
  questionable.
• 39:06
  I
• 39:06
  mean,
• 39:07
  to
• 39:07
  me
• 39:07
  you
• 39:07
  had
• 39:08
  nothing
• 39:08
  to
• 39:08
  lose.
• 39:09
  Yeah.
• 39:10
  Nothing
• 39:10
  to
• 39:10
  lose
• 39:11
  by
• 39:11
  holding
• 39:12
  Seaver
• 39:12
  for
• 39:13
  one
• 39:13
  more
• 39:13
  day.
• 39:13
  No.
• 39:14
  You
• 39:15
  know,
• 39:15
  so
• 39:16
  I
• 39:16
  think,
• 39:17
  I
• 39:17
  think,
• 39:18
  I
• 39:18
  think
• 39:20
  we
• 39:21
  could
• 39:21
  have
• 39:22
  really
• 39:22
  taken
• 39:23
  advantage
• 39:23
  of
• 39:23
  that,
• 39:25
  knowing
• 39:26
  that
• 39:26
  we
• 39:26
  have
• 39:27
  one
• 39:27
  of
• 39:27
  the
• 39:27
  best
• 39:27
  pitchers
• 39:28
  in
• 39:28
  baseball
• 39:28
  pitching
• 39:29
  game
• 39:29
  seven
• 39:31
  and
• 39:32
  then
• 39:32
  just
• 39:33
  leaving
• 39:33
  everything
• 39:33
  the
• 39:34
  status
• 39:34
  quo.
• 39:34
  Yeah.
• 39:35
  Have
• 39:35
  Matlak
• 39:35
  come
• 39:36
  out
• 39:36
  of
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  bullpen
• 39:36
  in
• 39:36
  game
• 39:37
  seven?
• 39:39
  Yeah,
• 39:40
  well,
• 39:40
  it's,
• 39:40
  it's
• 39:41
  all
• 39:41
  hands
• 39:41
  on
• 39:41
  deck
• 39:42
  in
• 39:42
  game
• 39:42
  seven.
• 39:42
  Right.
• 39:43
  So.
• 39:44
  So,
• 39:45
  you
• 39:45
  know,
• 39:46
  everything
• 39:46
  was
• 39:46
  lined
• 39:47
  up
• 39:47
  for
• 39:47
  that.
• 39:48
  So.
• 39:49
  But
• 39:50
  this,
• 39:51
  sometimes
• 39:51
  this
• 39:52
  game
• 39:52
  is,
• 39:53
  is
• 39:53
  governed
• 39:54
  by
• 39:54
  emotions
• 39:55
  and
• 39:56
  sometimes
• 39:57
  they.
• 39:58
  We
• 39:58
  don't
• 39:58
  make
• 39:59
  the
• 40:00
  best
• 40:00
  decisions.
• 40:01
  But
• 40:01
  unless
• 40:02
  you're
• 40:02
  put
• 40:02
  in
• 40:03
  that
• 40:03
  position
• 40:03
  and
• 40:04
  have
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  make
• 40:05
  that
• 40:05
  decision,
• 40:06
  you
• 40:06
  really
• 40:07
  don't
• 40:07
  know
• 40:07
  how
• 40:07
  difficult
• 40:07
  that
• 40:08
  is.
• 40:08
  Sure.
• 40:08
  I'm
• 40:09
  it
• 40:10
  looking
• 40:10
  at
• 40:10
  it
• 40:10
  50
• 40:11
  some
• 40:11
  years
• 40:11
  later,
• 40:12
  you
• 40:12
  know,
• 40:13
  and
• 40:14
  I'm
• 40:14
  sure
• 40:14
  it
• 40:14
  was,
• 40:15
  it
• 40:15
  was
• 40:16
  looked
• 40:17
  up
• 40:17
  and
• 40:17
  downed
• 40:18
  and
• 40:18
  scrutinized,
• 40:21
  but
• 40:22
  still,
• 40:23
  Fox,
• 40:23
  still,
• 40:24
  that's
• 40:24
  something
• 40:24
  that
• 40:25
  people
• 40:25
  have
• 40:25
  been
• 40:25
  talking
• 40:25
  about
• 40:26
  for
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  long
• 40:26
  time.
• 40:26
  Yeah,
• 40:27
  it's
• 40:27
  just
• 40:27
  fodder
• 40:27
  for
• 40:28
  us
• 40:28
  guys
• 40:28
  to
• 40:28
  sit
• 40:28
  in
• 40:29
  a
• 40:29
  bar
• 40:29
  and
• 40:30
  what
• 40:30
  about
• 40:30
  73,
• 40:31
  you
• 40:31
  know,
• 40:32
  and
• 40:32
  stuff
• 40:33
  like
• 40:33
  that?
• 40:33
  That's
• 40:33
  all.
• 40:34
  We're
• 40:34
  speaking
• 40:35
  with
• 40:35
  Bob
• 40:35
  Apodaca
• 40:36
  tonight
• 40:37
  on
• 40:37
  the
• 40:37
  program.
• 40:38
  Now
• 40:38
  you
• 40:38
  win
• 40:38
  a
• 40:39
  spot
• 40:39
  in
• 40:39
  the
• 40:39
  bullpen
• 40:40
  in
• 40:40
  74,
• 40:41
  Bob,
• 40:42
  your
• 40:42
  first
• 40:42
  career
• 40:43
  win.
• 40:44
  You
• 40:44
  were
• 40:45
  a
• 40:45
  starter
• 40:46
  against
• 40:46
  the
• 40:46
  St.
• 40:46
  Louis
• 40:47
  Cardinals.
• 40:47
  And
• 40:48
  who
• 40:48
  was
• 40:48
  your
• 40:48
  opposing
• 40:49
  pitcher?
• 40:50
  Oh,
• 40:51
  just
• 40:51
  another
• 40:52
  hall
• 40:52
  of
• 40:52
  Famer,
• 40:54
  Bob
• 40:54
  Gibson.
• 40:55
  And
• 40:56
  so
• 40:56
  I
• 40:56
  get
• 40:57
  my
• 40:57
  first
• 40:57
  win
• 40:57
  against
• 40:57
  Bob
• 40:58
  Gibson
• 40:58
  and
• 40:58
  I
• 40:59
  get
• 40:59
  my
• 40:59
  first
• 40:59
  hit
• 41:00
  against
• 41:01
  Bob
• 41:01
  Gibson.
• 41:01
  Oh,
• 41:02
  do
• 41:02
  you
• 41:02
  remember
• 41:02
  what
• 41:02
  he
• 41:02
  threw
• 41:03
  you?
• 41:04
  Well,
• 41:05
  this
• 41:05
  is
• 41:06
  1974
• 41:07
  now.
• 41:07
  Yeah,
• 41:08
  this
• 41:08
  might
• 41:09
  have
• 41:09
  been,
• 41:10
  might
• 41:10
  have
• 41:10
  been
• 41:10
  his
• 41:11
  last
• 41:11
  year.
• 41:11
  I'm
• 41:12
  not
• 41:12
  quite
• 41:12
  sure.
• 41:14
  So
• 41:14
  he
• 41:14
  was
• 41:14
  throwing
• 41:15
  85,
• 41:16
  not
• 41:17
  95
• 41:18
  like
• 41:18
  he
• 41:18
  did
• 41:18
  before.
• 41:19
  Yeah.
• 41:19
  So
• 41:20
  you
• 41:20
  got
• 41:21
  to
• 41:21
  take
• 41:21
  that
• 41:21
  into
• 41:21
  consideration.
• 41:23
  So
• 41:24
  I
• 41:24
  was
• 41:24
  always
• 41:25
  a
• 41:25
  decent
• 41:26
  hitter.
• 41:26
  So
• 41:27
  I'm
• 41:27
  not
• 41:28
  going
• 41:28
  to
• 41:28
  go
• 41:28
  up
• 41:28
  there
• 41:28
  looking
• 41:29
  for
• 41:29
  something
• 41:29
  I
• 41:30
  can't
• 41:30
  hit.
• 41:30
  As
• 41:31
  long
• 41:31
  as
• 41:31
  it's
• 41:31
  not
• 41:31
  at
• 41:32
  my
• 41:32
  earlobe,
• 41:33
  I'm
• 41:33
  going
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  be
• 41:33
  swinging
• 41:34
  at
• 41:34
  something
• 41:35
  that
• 41:36
  could
• 41:36
  be
• 41:36
  a
• 41:36
  strike.
• 41:37
  And
• 41:37
  so
• 41:37
  fortunately,
• 41:38
  he
• 41:38
  threw,
• 41:39
  and
• 41:39
  it
• 41:39
  was
• 41:39
  an
• 41:39
  early
• 41:40
  pitch.
• 41:40
  I
• 41:40
  mean,
• 41:40
  if
• 41:40
  I'd
• 41:40
  have
• 41:41
  taken
• 41:41
  a
• 41:41
  swing
• 41:41
  and
• 41:42
  took
• 41:42
  a
• 41:42
  good
• 41:42
  hack
• 41:43
  at
• 41:43
  it
• 41:43
  and
• 41:43
  fouled
• 41:43
  off,
• 41:44
  I'm
• 41:44
  sure
• 41:44
  he
• 41:45
  would
• 41:45
  have
• 41:45
  knocked
• 41:45
  my
• 41:45
  ass
• 41:45
  down.
• 41:46
  Yeah.
• 41:49
  Which
• 41:50
  was
• 41:50
  his
• 41:50
  wand,
• 41:51
  folks.
• 41:51
  Bob
• 41:51
  Gibson
• 41:52
  was
• 41:52
  known
• 41:52
  for
• 41:52
  that.
• 41:53
  For
• 41:53
  close
• 41:54
  shaves
• 41:54
  and
• 41:56
  knocking
• 41:56
  guys
• 41:56
  down.
• 41:57
  Look
• 41:57
  up
• 41:57
  Drysdale,
• 41:58
  too.
• 41:59
  Two
• 41:59
  hall
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  Famers
• 42:00
  who
• 42:00
  had
• 42:01
  no
• 42:01
  trouble.
• 42:02
  I
• 42:03
  think
• 42:03
  one
• 42:03
  of
• 42:04
  them
• 42:04
  said
• 42:04
  they'd
• 42:04
  knock
• 42:05
  their
• 42:05
  own
• 42:05
  mother
• 42:05
  down
• 42:06
  and
• 42:06
  they'd
• 42:06
  pick
• 42:07
  her
• 42:07
  up
• 42:07
  and
• 42:07
  dust
• 42:07
  her
• 42:07
  off.
• 42:08
  But
• 42:08
  don't
• 42:08
  get
• 42:08
  to
• 42:09
  first
• 42:09
  base,
• 42:09
  Ma.
• 42:11
  No.
• 42:12
  I
• 42:12
  grew
• 42:12
  up
• 42:13
  watching
• 42:13
  Drysdale
• 42:14
  and
• 42:14
  Koufax
• 42:15
  and
• 42:15
  Coado,
• 42:16
  Steen
• 42:17
  and
• 42:18
  that
• 42:19
  group.
• 42:20
  Ron
• 42:20
  Paranowski,
• 42:21
  Ron
• 42:22
  Paranofsky,
• 42:23
  Jim
• 42:23
  Brewer,
• 42:25
  then
• 42:26
  the
• 42:26
  infield.
• 42:27
  I
• 42:27
  mean,
• 42:27
  I
• 42:28
  was
• 42:28
  well,
• 42:28
  well
• 42:29
  versed
• 42:29
  in
• 42:29
  the
• 42:30
  Dodgers.
• 42:30
  Yeah,
• 42:31
  they
• 42:32
  had
• 42:32
  some
• 42:32
  great
• 42:32
  names
• 42:33
  on
• 42:33
  the
• 42:33
  club.
• 42:33
  They
• 42:34
  really
• 42:34
  did.
• 42:35
  Now,
• 42:36
  you
• 42:37
  had
• 42:37
  some
• 42:37
  trouble
• 42:37
  with
• 42:37
  your
• 42:38
  elbow.
• 42:38
  I
• 42:38
  believe
• 42:38
  it
• 42:38
  was
• 42:39
  78,
• 42:40
  Bob.
• 42:40
  You
• 42:40
  tore
• 42:40
  a
• 42:40
  ligament
• 42:41
  and
• 42:41
  you
• 42:42
  kind
• 42:42
  of
• 42:43
  called
• 42:44
  it
• 42:44
  quits
• 42:45
  after
• 42:45
  that.
• 42:46
  That
• 42:46
  was
• 42:46
  basically
• 42:47
  it,
• 42:48
  you
• 42:48
  know,
• 42:49
  other
• 42:50
  than
• 42:50
  Tommy
• 42:51
  John
• 42:51
  having
• 42:52
  the
• 42:52
  surgery.
• 42:55
  And
• 42:55
  it
• 42:56
  was
• 42:56
  Star
• 42:56
  wars
• 42:57
  type
• 42:57
  surgery,
• 42:59
  and
• 42:59
  it
• 42:59
  took
• 43:00
  him
• 43:00
  a
• 43:00
  couple
• 43:00
  of
• 43:00
  years
• 43:01
  before
• 43:01
  he.
• 43:02
  I
• 43:02
  mean,
• 43:03
  they
• 43:03
  learned
• 43:03
  from
• 43:04
  some
• 43:04
  of
• 43:04
  the
• 43:04
  mistakes
• 43:04
  they
• 43:05
  did
• 43:06
  from
• 43:06
  his
• 43:07
  surgery.
• 43:08
  He
• 43:08
  was
• 43:08
  in
• 43:08
  a
• 43:08
  cast
• 43:09
  for,
• 43:09
  like,
• 43:11
  forgot
• 43:11
  what
• 43:11
  he
• 43:11
  said.
• 43:12
  I
• 43:12
  thought
• 43:12
  he
• 43:12
  said,
• 43:12
  like,
• 43:13
  16
• 43:14
  weeks
• 43:15
  and
• 43:16
  wow.
• 43:16
  Yeah.
• 43:17
  Got
• 43:17
  out
• 43:17
  of
• 43:17
  the
• 43:17
  cast
• 43:18
  and
• 43:18
  his
• 43:19
  arm
• 43:19
  was
• 43:19
  just
• 43:19
  withered
• 43:20
  and
• 43:21
  he
• 43:21
  had
• 43:21
  so
• 43:22
  much.
• 43:22
  So
• 43:22
  much
• 43:23
  rehab
• 43:24
  to
• 43:24
  do
• 43:24
  on
• 43:24
  his.
• 43:24
  On
• 43:25
  his
• 43:25
  arm.
• 43:25
  But
• 43:26
  this
• 43:26
  sucker
• 43:27
  won
• 43:27
  more
• 43:27
  games
• 43:28
  after
• 43:28
  this
• 43:29
  surgery
• 43:29
  than
• 43:29
  any
• 43:29
  before
• 43:30
  the
• 43:30
  surgery,
• 43:31
  so.
• 43:32
  Oh,
• 43:33
  yeah.
• 43:33
  So
• 43:34
  kudos
• 43:34
  to
• 43:35
  Tommy.
• 43:35
  My
• 43:35
  God,
• 43:36
  he
• 43:36
  just
• 43:37
  resurrected
• 43:38
  his.
• 43:38
  His
• 43:39
  career.
• 43:39
  He
• 43:40
  wasn't
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  hard
• 43:40
  thrower
• 43:41
  to
• 43:41
  begin
• 43:41
  with,
• 43:42
  but
• 43:42
  he
• 43:42
  just
• 43:42
  refined
• 43:44
  the
• 43:44
  things
• 43:45
  that
• 43:45
  he
• 43:45
  was
• 43:45
  capable
• 43:46
  of
• 43:46
  doing
• 43:46
  and
• 43:46
  just
• 43:47
  became,
• 43:48
  you
• 43:48
  know,
• 43:49
  on
• 43:50
  the
• 43:50
  verge
• 43:50
  of
• 43:51
  one
• 43:51
  of
• 43:51
  those
• 43:51
  guys
• 43:52
  that
• 43:52
  could
• 43:52
  be
• 43:52
  a
• 43:53
  Hall
• 43:53
  of
• 43:53
  Famer.
• 43:53
  You
• 43:53
  know,
• 43:54
  he's
• 43:54
  tiptoeing
• 43:55
  that
• 43:55
  line
• 43:56
  now.
• 43:56
  What
• 43:57
  about
• 43:57
  Bob?
• 43:58
  I
• 43:58
  spoke
• 43:58
  to
• 43:59
  Matlak
• 43:59
  about
• 43:59
  this,
• 44:00
  too.
• 44:00
  These
• 44:01
  kids
• 44:01
  having
• 44:01
  Tommy
• 44:02
  John
• 44:02
  in
• 44:02
  high
• 44:03
  school.
• 44:04
  Yeah.
• 44:05
  I
• 44:05
  mean,
• 44:10
  that
• 44:11
  is
• 44:11
  something
• 44:12
  that's
• 44:12
  pretty
• 44:12
  prevalent.
• 44:14
  And
• 44:14
  because.
• 44:15
  Because
• 44:15
  kids
• 44:16
  are
• 44:16
  not
• 44:16
  playing
• 44:17
  multiple
• 44:17
  sports.
• 44:18
  First
• 44:18
  of
• 44:18
  all,
• 44:20
  listening
• 44:21
  to
• 44:21
  team
• 44:21
  physicians,
• 44:22
  especially
• 44:23
  like
• 44:23
  the
• 44:23
  Dr.
• 44:24
  Andrews,
• 44:25
  the
• 44:25
  guy
• 44:25
  who
• 44:25
  does
• 44:26
  a
• 44:26
  lot
• 44:26
  of
• 44:26
  these
• 44:26
  Tommy
• 44:27
  John
• 44:27
  surgeries,
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  kids
• 44:29
  are
• 44:30
  relegating
• 44:31
  themselves
• 44:31
  to
• 44:31
  one
• 44:31
  sport
• 44:33
  and
• 44:33
  they're
• 44:33
  throwing
• 44:34
  the
• 44:34
  baseball
• 44:35
  all
• 44:35
  year
• 44:35
  round.
• 44:36
  Whether
• 44:36
  it's
• 44:37
  pitching
• 44:38
  in
• 44:39
  these
• 44:39
  things
• 44:39
  to
• 44:39
  get
• 44:40
  noticed
• 44:41
  or
• 44:41
  the
• 44:41
  special
• 44:42
  teams
• 44:42
  that
• 44:42
  travel,
• 44:43
  or
• 44:44
  it's
• 44:44
  going
• 44:44
  to
• 44:45
  these
• 44:45
  Camps
• 44:46
  with
• 44:47
  loaded
• 44:47
  baseballs
• 44:48
  that
• 44:48
  are
• 44:48
  heavier
• 44:49
  baseballs
• 44:50
  to
• 44:50
  increase
• 44:50
  velocity.
• 44:52
  They're
• 44:53
  throwing
• 44:54
  constantly
• 44:55
  and
• 44:55
  now
• 44:55
  they're
• 44:55
  getting
• 44:56
  hurt
• 44:56
  at
• 44:57
  the
• 44:57
  high
• 44:57
  school
• 44:58
  levels.
• 44:59
  They're
• 44:59
  throwing
• 45:00
  harder.
• 45:01
  That's
• 45:02
  without
• 45:02
  question.
• 45:02
  They're
• 45:03
  throwing
• 45:03
  much
• 45:03
  harder.
• 45:04
  They're
• 45:04
  throwing
• 45:04
  much
• 45:05
  harder
• 45:05
  in
• 45:05
  college.
• 45:07
  But
• 45:07
  the
• 45:07
  human
• 45:08
  body
• 45:08
  hasn't
• 45:09
  learned
• 45:09
  how
• 45:10
  to
• 45:10
  strengthen
• 45:12
  ligaments.
• 45:13
  You
• 45:13
  know,
• 45:14
  you
• 45:14
  can't
• 45:14
  strengthen
• 45:15
  a
• 45:15
  ligament.
• 45:16
  You
• 45:16
  can
• 45:16
  strengthen
• 45:16
  muscle,
• 45:17
  but
• 45:17
  you
• 45:18
  can't
• 45:18
  strengthen
• 45:18
  a
• 45:19
  ligament.
• 45:19
  And
• 45:19
  so
• 45:19
  the
• 45:20
  human
• 45:20
  body
• 45:20
  can
• 45:21
  only
• 45:21
  take
• 45:21
  so
• 45:22
  much
• 45:23
  stress.
• 45:24
  And
• 45:25
  when
• 45:25
  you
• 45:25
  think
• 45:25
  about
• 45:26
  a
• 45:26
  guy
• 45:27
  throwing
• 45:27
  close
• 45:27
  to
• 45:28
  100
• 45:28
  miles
• 45:28
  an
• 45:28
  hour
• 45:29
  and
• 45:29
  above,
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  stress
• 45:31
  that's
• 45:31
  put
• 45:31
  on
• 45:32
  shoulder,
• 45:33
  elbow,
• 45:34
  whatever,
• 45:34
  whatever
• 45:36
  joint,
• 45:37
  you
• 45:37
  know,
• 45:37
  it's
• 45:37
  immense.
• 45:39
  So
• 45:40
  you
• 45:41
  have
• 45:41
  to
• 45:41
  be
• 45:41
  careful.
• 45:41
  That's
• 45:42
  why,
• 45:42
  that's
• 45:43
  why
• 45:43
  scouts
• 45:44
  are
• 45:44
  invaluable
• 45:45
  in
• 45:45
  doing
• 45:46
  the
• 45:46
  homework
• 45:46
  when.
• 45:47
  Before
• 45:48
  they
• 45:48
  invest
• 45:49
  in
• 45:50
  these
• 45:51
  prospects
• 45:52
  and
• 45:53
  because
• 45:54
  they're
• 45:54
  your
• 45:55
  investment
• 45:56
  and
• 45:56
  you
• 45:56
  got
• 45:56
  to
• 45:57
  protect
• 45:57
  your
• 45:57
  investment.
• 45:58
  So
• 46:01
  like
• 46:01
  Legram
• 46:02
  deGrom,
• 46:03
  I
• 46:03
  mean,
• 46:04
  how
• 46:04
  many
• 46:04
  surgeries
• 46:05
  has
• 46:05
  he
• 46:05
  had
• 46:05
  now?
• 46:06
  And
• 46:07
  I
• 46:08
  mean,
• 46:08
  he
• 46:08
  was
• 46:08
  an
• 46:08
  investment
• 46:09
  for
• 46:09
  the
• 46:09
  Texas
• 46:09
  Rangers
• 46:10
  and
• 46:11
  it's
• 46:11
  not
• 46:11
  something
• 46:12
  that
• 46:12
  has
• 46:13
  come
• 46:13
  to
• 46:13
  the
• 46:13
  forefront
• 46:14
  yet.
• 46:14
  No.
• 46:15
  So
• 46:15
  you
• 46:16
  got
• 46:16
  to
• 46:16
  be.
• 46:17
  And
• 46:17
  he
• 46:17
  was
• 46:18
  all
• 46:18
  world
• 46:18
  pitcher
• 46:19
  for
• 46:19
  a
• 46:19
  couple
• 46:19
  of
• 46:20
  years
• 46:20
  with
• 46:20
  us
• 46:20
  with
• 46:20
  the
• 46:21
  Mets.
• 46:21
  Yes,
• 46:21
  he
• 46:22
  was.
• 46:22
  So,
• 46:23
  I
• 46:23
  mean,
• 46:23
  he
• 46:23
  was
• 46:24
  the
• 46:24
  best,
• 46:25
  bar
• 46:25
  none.
• 46:26
  He
• 46:26
  was
• 46:26
  the
• 46:27
  best.
• 46:28
  And
• 46:29
  we
• 46:29
  don't
• 46:30
  know
• 46:30
  if
• 46:30
  he'll
• 46:30
  ever
• 46:31
  be
• 46:31
  that
• 46:31
  same
• 46:32
  guy.
• 46:33
  There's
• 46:33
  a
• 46:34
  rumor
• 46:34
  they
• 46:34
  may
• 46:34
  bring
• 46:34
  him
• 46:35
  back,
• 46:35
  so
• 46:37
  we'll
• 46:37
  reserve
• 46:38
  judgment
• 46:38
  on
• 46:38
  deGrom
• 46:39
  for
• 46:39
  now.
• 46:39
  But
• 46:39
  I
• 46:40
  can
• 46:40
  see
• 46:40
  what
• 46:40
  you
• 46:40
  mean
• 46:40
  about
• 46:41
  the
• 46:41
  surgeries
• 46:42
  and
• 46:42
  stuff
• 46:43
  like
• 46:43
  that.
• 46:43
  These
• 46:43
  kids
• 46:44
  going
• 46:45
  through
• 46:45
  it
• 46:45
  at
• 46:45
  such
• 46:45
  an
• 46:45
  early
• 46:46
  age.
• 46:46
  It
• 46:46
  brings
• 46:47
  to
• 46:47
  mind
• 46:47
  Nolan
• 46:48
  Ryan,
• 46:48
  a
• 46:48
  guy
• 46:48
  like
• 46:49
  that,
• 46:49
  who.
• 46:50
  But
• 46:50
  he
• 46:50
  wasn't
• 46:50
  throwing
• 46:51
  all
• 46:51
  year
• 46:51
  round.
• 46:51
  Like,
• 46:52
  like
• 46:52
  the
• 46:52
  point
• 46:52
  you
• 46:53
  brought
• 46:53
  out.
• 46:53
  No,
• 46:54
  no,
• 46:54
  no.
• 46:55
  When
• 46:55
  he,
• 46:55
  when
• 46:55
  he
• 46:55
  would
• 46:56
  finish
• 46:56
  his
• 46:56
  season,
• 46:56
  he
• 46:57
  went
• 46:57
  back
• 46:57
  to
• 46:57
  the
• 46:57
  farm,
• 46:58
  right?
• 46:58
  Ranch.
• 46:59
  Yeah.
• 46:59
  And.
• 47:00
  And
• 47:00
  worked.
• 47:02
  So,
• 47:03
  you
• 47:03
  know,
• 47:04
  that's,
• 47:05
  that's
• 47:05
  what
• 47:05
  they
• 47:05
  all
• 47:06
  did.
• 47:06
  All
• 47:06
  these
• 47:06
  guys
• 47:07
  who
• 47:07
  lasted
• 47:07
  15,
• 47:08
  20
• 47:08
  years,
• 47:09
  they
• 47:09
  didn't
• 47:09
  throw
• 47:10
  the
• 47:10
  baseball
• 47:11
  all
• 47:11
  year
• 47:11
  round.
• 47:12
  They
• 47:12
  went
• 47:12
  home,
• 47:13
  decompressed.
• 47:15
  A
• 47:15
  lot
• 47:15
  of
• 47:15
  them
• 47:16
  had
• 47:16
  to
• 47:16
  go
• 47:17
  back
• 47:17
  and
• 47:17
  supplement
• 47:18
  their
• 47:18
  incomes
• 47:19
  back
• 47:20
  in
• 47:20
  the
• 47:20
  day.
• 47:21
  So,
• 47:23
  so,
• 47:24
  and
• 47:25
  then,
• 47:25
  and
• 47:25
  then,
• 47:25
  you
• 47:26
  know,
• 47:26
  Sever
• 47:26
  was
• 47:26
  the
• 47:27
  first
• 47:27
  one
• 47:27
  I
• 47:27
  ever
• 47:28
  saw
• 47:28
  that
• 47:28
  went
• 47:29
  into
• 47:30
  a
• 47:30
  strengthening
• 47:31
  program.
• 47:32
  And
• 47:32
  so.
• 47:33
  And
• 47:33
  it
• 47:33
  was
• 47:33
  just
• 47:34
  shoulder.
• 47:34
  It
• 47:34
  wasn't
• 47:35
  really
• 47:36
  build
• 47:36
  up
• 47:37
  and
• 47:37
  it
• 47:37
  wasn't
• 47:38
  meant
• 47:38
  to
• 47:38
  throw
• 47:38
  harder.
• 47:39
  He
• 47:40
  just.
• 47:40
  Did
• 47:40
  the
• 47:40
  shoulder
• 47:41
  work.
• 47:42
  All
• 47:42
  those
• 47:42
  muscles
• 47:43
  after
• 47:43
  you
• 47:44
  pitch
• 47:44
  a
• 47:44
  game,
• 47:44
  those
• 47:45
  muscles
• 47:45
  that
• 47:45
  are
• 47:46
  sore,
• 47:46
  real
• 47:47
  stiff
• 47:47
  after
• 47:47
  you
• 47:48
  pitch
• 47:48
  a
• 47:48
  game,
• 47:49
  and
• 47:49
  they're
• 47:49
  usually
• 47:50
  in
• 47:50
  the
• 47:50
  back
• 47:50
  of
• 47:50
  the
• 47:51
  shoulder.
• 47:51
  Those
• 47:51
  are
• 47:52
  the
• 47:52
  muscles
• 47:52
  that
• 47:52
  slow
• 47:53
  the
• 47:53
  arm
• 47:53
  down
• 47:54
  and
• 47:54
  those
• 47:55
  are
• 47:55
  the
• 47:55
  things
• 47:55
  he
• 47:55
  focused
• 47:56
  on,
• 47:56
  those
• 47:56
  and
• 47:57
  his
• 47:57
  legs.
• 47:58
  And
• 47:58
  everybody
• 47:59
  can
• 48:00
  relate
• 48:00
  to
• 48:00
  what
• 48:00
  Seaver
• 48:01
  could
• 48:01
  do
• 48:01
  with
• 48:01
  those
• 48:02
  legs.
• 48:04
  It
• 48:05
  was
• 48:05
  phenomenal.
• 48:06
  Now,
• 48:07
  you're
• 48:07
  known,
• 48:08
  as
• 48:08
  you
• 48:08
  say
• 48:09
  with
• 48:09
  your
• 48:10
  pitching
• 48:10
  coach
• 48:10
  hat
• 48:11
  on,
• 48:11
  Bob,
• 48:12
  as
• 48:12
  a
• 48:12
  pretty
• 48:13
  stellar
• 48:13
  pitching
• 48:14
  coach
• 48:14
  in
• 48:14
  your
• 48:14
  day.
• 48:15
  Is
• 48:15
  there
• 48:15
  anybody
• 48:17
  along
• 48:17
  the
• 48:17
  way
• 48:18
  in
• 48:18
  your
• 48:18
  major
• 48:18
  minor
• 48:19
  league
• 48:19
  career
• 48:20
  who
• 48:20
  kind
• 48:21
  of
• 48:21
  influenced
• 48:21
  your
• 48:22
  style
• 48:22
  of
• 48:22
  coaching?
• 48:23
  Oh,
• 48:24
  without
• 48:24
  a
• 48:24
  doubt.
• 48:25
  Mel
• 48:25
  Steinmeier.
• 48:26
  Oh,
• 48:26
  boy.
• 48:29
  And
• 48:30
  so
• 48:30
  I'm
• 48:30
  in
• 48:30
  the
• 48:31
  Mets
• 48:31
  minor
• 48:31
  league
• 48:31
  system,
• 48:32
  so
• 48:32
  I
• 48:32
  was
• 48:32
  in
• 48:32
  Triple
• 48:33
  A
• 48:33
  for
• 48:33
  six
• 48:33
  years,
• 48:34
  so
• 48:34
  I
• 48:34
  would
• 48:35
  get
• 48:35
  invited
• 48:35
  to
• 48:35
  big
• 48:36
  league
• 48:36
  camp
• 48:36
  every
• 48:37
  year.
• 48:38
  And
• 48:39
  so
• 48:40
  Mel
• 48:40
  just
• 48:41
  saw
• 48:42
  the
• 48:42
  passion
• 48:42
  I
• 48:43
  had
• 48:43
  for
• 48:44
  coaching
• 48:44
  and
• 48:45
  wanting
• 48:45
  to
• 48:45
  learn,
• 48:46
  and
• 48:46
  I
• 48:47
  would
• 48:47
  follow
• 48:47
  him
• 48:48
  wherever
• 48:48
  he
• 48:48
  went.
• 48:49
  If
• 48:49
  he
• 48:49
  stopped
• 48:49
  real
• 48:49
  fast,
• 48:50
  I
• 48:50
  bumped
• 48:50
  into
• 48:51
  the
• 48:51
  back
• 48:51
  of
• 48:51
  him.
• 48:52
  So
• 48:53
  he
• 48:53
  was.
• 48:54
  He
• 48:54
  was
• 48:54
  absolutely
• 48:55
  a
• 48:56
  gentleman.
• 48:57
  He
• 48:57
  was
• 48:58
  super
• 48:58
  knowledgeable.
• 49:01
  The
• 49:01
  players
• 49:02
  loved
• 49:02
  him
• 49:02
  because
• 49:03
  he
• 49:04
  took
• 49:04
  the
• 49:04
  time
• 49:05
  to
• 49:06
  treat
• 49:06
  them
• 49:06
  as
• 49:07
  people,
• 49:07
  not
• 49:07
  as
• 49:08
  players.
• 49:10
  And
• 49:11
  he
• 49:11
  just
• 49:11
  developed
• 49:12
  relationships.
• 49:13
  And
• 49:13
  that's
• 49:14
  what
• 49:14
  pitching,
• 49:15
  being
• 49:15
  a
• 49:16
  coach
• 49:16
  is,
• 49:16
  developing
• 49:17
  relationships.
• 49:18
  Individual
• 49:19
  relationships.
• 49:20
  Honest,
• 49:22
  honest
• 49:22
  relationships.
• 49:23
  Genuine
• 49:24
  relationships
• 49:25
  where
• 49:26
  you
• 49:26
  can
• 49:26
  agree
• 49:27
  to
• 49:27
  disagree.
• 49:28
  When
• 49:29
  you
• 49:29
  could
• 49:29
  have
• 49:29
  a
• 49:29
  relationship
• 49:30
  that
• 49:30
  you
• 49:31
  reach
• 49:31
  that
• 49:32
  point,
• 49:32
  then
• 49:32
  you're
• 49:33
  exactly
• 49:33
  where
• 49:33
  you
• 49:34
  want
• 49:34
  to
• 49:34
  be.
• 49:35
  So
• 49:35
  you
• 49:35
  can
• 49:35
  have
• 49:35
  these
• 49:36
  discussions
• 49:37
  on
• 49:37
  different
• 49:38
  topics.
• 49:39
  So
• 49:39
  without
• 49:40
  a
• 49:40
  doubt,
• 49:41
  Mel
• 49:42
  was
• 49:42
  just
• 49:43
  somebody
• 49:44
  I
• 49:44
  wanted
• 49:44
  to
• 49:45
  emulate.
• 49:45
  He
• 49:46
  gets
• 49:47
  nothing
• 49:47
  but
• 49:47
  praise.
• 49:47
  You
• 49:48
  talk
• 49:48
  to
• 49:48
  the
• 49:48
  guys
• 49:48
  on
• 49:48
  the
• 49:49
  86
• 49:49
  Club,
• 49:50
  the
• 49:50
  great
• 49:50
  staff
• 49:51
  that
• 49:51
  they
• 49:51
  had,
• 49:52
  Doc
• 49:52
  Gooden,
• 49:53
  people
• 49:53
  like
• 49:53
  that,
• 49:54
  and
• 49:54
  they
• 49:54
  have
• 49:54
  nothing
• 49:54
  but
• 49:55
  great
• 49:55
  things
• 49:55
  to
• 49:55
  say
• 49:56
  about
• 49:56
  Stottlemeier.
• 49:58
  He
• 49:58
  was
• 49:59
  another.
• 49:59
  Another
• 49:59
  guy
• 49:59
  who
• 49:59
  was
• 50:00
  underrated
• 50:00
  and
• 50:00
  underappreciated
• 50:02
  during
• 50:02
  his
• 50:03
  career
• 50:03
  because
• 50:03
  he
• 50:03
  played
• 50:04
  on
• 50:04
  bad
• 50:04
  Yankee
• 50:05
  clubs
• 50:06
  and
• 50:07
  they
• 50:07
  didn't
• 50:08
  support
• 50:08
  him
• 50:09
  offensively.
• 50:10
  But
• 50:10
  what
• 50:10
  he
• 50:11
  did
• 50:11
  on
• 50:11
  the
• 50:11
  mound,
• 50:12
  there's
• 50:12
  no
• 50:12
  question
• 50:13
  about
• 50:13
  that.
• 50:13
  Oh,
• 50:14
  he
• 50:14
  was
• 50:15
  a
• 50:15
  startup.
• 50:15
  Yeah,
• 50:16
  he
• 50:16
  was.
• 50:17
  Check
• 50:17
  his
• 50:17
  numbers.
• 50:18
  They
• 50:19
  were
• 50:19
  outstanding.
• 50:20
  He
• 50:20
  still
• 50:21
  won
• 50:21
  20
• 50:21
  games.
• 50:22
  That's
• 50:22
  the
• 50:22
  amazing
• 50:23
  thing.
• 50:23
  Complete
• 50:24
  games,
• 50:25
  innings
• 50:26
  pitched,
• 50:27
  hits
• 50:27
  per
• 50:28
  inning
• 50:28
  pitched.
• 50:30
  I
• 50:30
  mean,
• 50:30
  he
• 50:30
  wasn't
• 50:31
  necessarily
• 50:31
  a
• 50:31
  strikeout
• 50:32
  guy,
• 50:32
  but,
• 50:32
  boy,
• 50:34
  he
• 50:34
  went
• 50:34
  deep
• 50:35
  into
• 50:35
  the
• 50:35
  games.
• 50:36
  A
• 50:37
  guy
• 50:37
  in
• 50:37
  the
• 50:37
  Mets
• 50:38
  minor
• 50:38
  league
• 50:38
  system,
• 50:39
  another
• 50:39
  guy.
• 50:40
  As
• 50:40
  we
• 50:40
  were
• 50:41
  talking
• 50:41
  about
• 50:41
  those
• 50:42
  names
• 50:42
  before,
• 50:42
  Bob.
• 50:43
  Bob
• 50:43
  Apodaca
• 50:44
  with
• 50:44
  us
• 50:44
  tonight
• 50:44
  on
• 50:45
  Sports
• 50:45
  Talk
• 50:45
  New
• 50:45
  York.
• 50:47
  He
• 50:47
  was
• 50:47
  projected
• 50:48
  to
• 50:48
  be
• 50:49
  a
• 50:49
  star.
• 50:50
  Clint
• 50:50
  Hurdle.
• 50:51
  And
• 50:52
  you
• 50:52
  developed
• 50:53
  a
• 50:53
  relationship
• 50:54
  with
• 50:54
  Clint
• 50:54
  and
• 50:54
  he
• 50:55
  brought
• 50:55
  you
• 50:55
  in
• 50:55
  a
• 50:55
  couple
• 50:56
  of
• 50:56
  places
• 50:56
  where
• 50:56
  he
• 50:56
  was.
• 50:57
  And
• 50:58
  you
• 50:58
  guys
• 50:58
  just
• 50:59
  clicked
• 50:59
  very
• 50:59
  well
• 51:00
  together.
• 51:01
  Yeah,
• 51:02
  yeah,
• 51:03
  he.
• 51:04
  We
• 51:04
  were
• 51:05
  together.
• 51:06
  Well,
• 51:06
  I
• 51:07
  was
• 51:07
  with
• 51:07
  him
• 51:07
  his
• 51:07
  very
• 51:08
  first
• 51:08
  year
• 51:09
  managing
• 51:10
  in
• 51:11
  Fort
• 51:11
  St.
• 51:11
  Lucie.
• 51:13
  He
• 51:14
  was
• 51:14
  just
• 51:15
  fresh
• 51:15
  out
• 51:15
  of
• 51:17
  the
• 51:17
  playing
• 51:17
  field.
• 51:18
  He
• 51:18
  relate,
• 51:20
  tremendous
• 51:20
  communicator,
• 51:21
  could
• 51:22
  communicate.
• 51:23
  Just
• 51:24
  outstanding.
• 51:26
  And
• 51:27
  we
• 51:27
  just
• 51:28
  hit
• 51:28
  it
• 51:28
  off.
• 51:28
  I
• 51:29
  mean,
• 51:29
  he
• 51:29
  would
• 51:29
  start
• 51:30
  walking
• 51:30
  over
• 51:30
  and
• 51:31
  start
• 51:31
  to
• 51:31
  ask
• 51:31
  a
• 51:32
  question.
• 51:32
  I
• 51:32
  said,
• 51:33
  absolutely,
• 51:34
  I'd
• 51:34
  make
• 51:34
  a
• 51:34
  change.
• 51:35
  I
• 51:35
  just
• 51:36
  knew
• 51:36
  what
• 51:36
  he
• 51:36
  was
• 51:36
  going
• 51:37
  to
• 51:37
  say.
• 51:38
  And
• 51:39
  so
• 51:40
  we
• 51:40
  just
• 51:40
  fed
• 51:40
  off
• 51:41
  each
• 51:41
  other
• 51:41
  and
• 51:42
  we
• 51:42
  were
• 51:42
  together
• 51:43
  four.
• 51:43
  Four
• 51:44
  different
• 51:44
  years.
• 51:46
  Two
• 51:46
  years
• 51:48
  that
• 51:48
  year,
• 51:49
  a
• 51:49
  year
• 51:49
  in
• 51:50
  Double
• 51:50
  A,
• 51:50
  and
• 51:51
  then
• 51:51
  two
• 51:51
  years
• 51:51
  at
• 51:52
  aaa.
• 51:53
  And
• 51:53
  then
• 51:54
  he
• 51:54
  left
• 51:54
  the
• 51:54
  Mets
• 51:56
  and
• 51:56
  became
• 51:57
  heading
• 51:57
  coach
• 51:57
  for
• 51:58
  the
• 51:58
  Rockies,
• 51:58
  a
• 51:59
  minor
• 51:59
  league
• 51:59
  heading
• 52:00
  coach.
• 52:01
  And
• 52:02
  then
• 52:02
  he
• 52:02
  went.
• 52:03
  Then
• 52:03
  he
• 52:04
  was
• 52:04
  named
• 52:05
  the
• 52:05
  major
• 52:05
  league
• 52:06
  hitting
• 52:06
  coach.
• 52:06
  And
• 52:07
  then
• 52:07
  he
• 52:07
  got
• 52:08
  the
• 52:08
  job
• 52:09
  in
• 52:09
  O2
• 52:10
  when
• 52:11
  they
• 52:11
  let
• 52:12
  go
• 52:12
  of
• 52:12
  Buddy.
• 52:13
  Buddy
• 52:13
  Bell.
• 52:14
  Right.
• 52:15
  In
• 52:15
  Colorado.
• 52:16
  Yeah.
• 52:16
  So,
• 52:18
  I
• 52:18
  mean,
• 52:18
  I
• 52:19
  was
• 52:19
  back
• 52:19
  in
• 52:19
  Port
• 52:19
  St.
• 52:20
  Lucie,
• 52:21
  and
• 52:23
  so
• 52:23
  I
• 52:24
  got
• 52:24
  the
• 52:24
  word
• 52:24
  that
• 52:25
  he
• 52:25
  had
• 52:25
  got
• 52:25
  the
• 52:25
  job.
• 52:25
  I
• 52:26
  was
• 52:26
  extremely
• 52:26
  happy
• 52:27
  for
• 52:27
  him.
• 52:28
  And
• 52:29
  this
• 52:29
  is
• 52:29
  a
• 52:29
  true
• 52:29
  story.
• 52:31
  And
• 52:31
  people
• 52:32
  watch
• 52:32
  looking
• 52:33
  at
• 52:33
  me
• 52:33
  as
• 52:33
  a
• 52:33
  little.
• 52:34
  You're
• 52:34
  happy
• 52:34
  for
• 52:35
  him,
• 52:35
  but
• 52:35
  you
• 52:35
  seem
• 52:35
  a
• 52:35
  little
• 52:36
  grouchy.
• 52:36
  I
• 52:36
  said,
• 52:37
  well,
• 52:38
  I
• 52:38
  know
• 52:38
  he's
• 52:38
  going
• 52:38
  to
• 52:39
  call
• 52:39
  me.
• 52:39
  He
• 52:39
  says,
• 52:40
  what
• 52:41
  do
• 52:41
  you
• 52:41
  mean
• 52:41
  he's
• 52:41
  going
• 52:41
  to
• 52:41
  call
• 52:42
  you?
• 52:42
  He
• 52:42
  says,
• 52:42
  he's
• 52:43
  going
• 52:43
  to
• 52:43
  call
• 52:43
  me
• 52:44
  and
• 52:44
  he's
• 52:45
  going
• 52:45
  to
• 52:45
  offer
• 52:45
  me
• 52:45
  the
• 52:45
  Rockies
• 52:46
  job.
• 52:47
  Yeah.
• 52:47
  I
• 52:48
  said,
• 52:48
  what's
• 52:49
  wrong
• 52:49
  with
• 52:49
  that?
• 52:49
  I
• 52:49
  said,
• 52:52
  coaching
• 52:52
  here
• 52:53
  in
• 52:53
  Port
• 52:53
  St.
• 52:53
  Lucie.
• 52:55
  I
• 52:56
  live
• 52:56
  here
• 52:56
  in
• 52:57
  Port
• 52:57
  St.
• 52:57
  Lucie,
• 52:58
  so
• 52:58
  I
• 52:58
  sleep
• 52:58
  in
• 52:58
  my
• 52:59
  own
• 52:59
  bed
• 52:59
  90%
• 53:00
  of
• 53:00
  the
• 53:00
  time.
• 53:01
  Right.
• 53:03
  And
• 53:03
  still
• 53:03
  the
• 53:04
  pain
• 53:05
  of
• 53:05
  being
• 53:06
  fired
• 53:06
  in
• 53:07
  New
• 53:07
  York
• 53:07
  was
• 53:07
  still
• 53:08
  there.
• 53:09
  I
• 53:09
  mean,
• 53:09
  the
• 53:09
  first
• 53:10
  time
• 53:10
  you
• 53:10
  feel
• 53:11
  that
• 53:11
  pain
• 53:12
  that
• 53:13
  nothing
• 53:13
  can
• 53:14
  equal
• 53:14
  that.
• 53:14
  The
• 53:15
  first
• 53:15
  time
• 53:16
  for
• 53:16
  anything,
• 53:17
  whether
• 53:17
  it's
• 53:17
  a
• 53:18
  bad,
• 53:18
  bad.
• 53:19
  A
• 53:20
  bad
• 53:20
  breakup,
• 53:22
  a
• 53:22
  bad
• 53:22
  marriage,
• 53:24
  getting
• 53:25
  fired
• 53:25
  in
• 53:25
  New
• 53:25
  York
• 53:28
  after
• 53:29
  you
• 53:29
  were
• 53:29
  called
• 53:30
  the
• 53:30
  guru.
• 53:31
  You
• 53:32
  know,
• 53:32
  I
• 53:32
  never
• 53:33
  understood
• 53:34
  and
• 53:34
  it
• 53:34
  was
• 53:34
  never,
• 53:35
  ever
• 53:35
  explained
• 53:36
  to
• 53:36
  me,
• 53:37
  but
• 53:38
  I
• 53:38
  was
• 53:38
  reluctant
• 53:39
  to
• 53:39
  take
• 53:39
  the
• 53:39
  job.
• 53:39
  So
• 53:39
  he
• 53:40
  did
• 53:40
  call
• 53:40
  me.
• 53:40
  Son
• 53:41
  of
• 53:41
  a
• 53:41
  bitch
• 53:41
  called
• 53:41
  him.
• 53:42
  And.
• 53:43
  And
• 53:44
  he
• 53:44
  says,
• 53:44
  bob,
• 53:44
  I
• 53:45
  just
• 53:45
  didn't
• 53:45
  call
• 53:45
  you.
• 53:46
  I
• 53:46
  said,
• 53:46
  oh,
• 53:46
  congratulations,
• 53:47
  kid.
• 53:47
  But
• 53:48
  he
• 53:48
  says,
• 53:49
  bob,
• 53:49
  I
• 53:49
  got
• 53:49
  a
• 53:49
  question
• 53:50
  to
• 53:50
  ask
• 53:50
  you.
• 53:50
  I
• 53:50
  says,
• 53:51
  don't.
• 53:52
  Excuse
• 53:52
  me?
• 53:52
  I
• 53:53
  says,
• 53:53
  don't
• 53:54
  ask
• 53:54
  me.
• 53:55
  He
• 53:55
  says,
• 53:55
  I
• 53:55
  gotta
• 53:56
  ask
• 53:56
  you.
• 53:57
  And
• 53:57
  so
• 53:57
  he
• 53:58
  said.
• 53:58
  I
• 53:59
  said,
• 53:59
  dang.
• 54:00
  Okay,
• 54:01
  let's
• 54:01
  go
• 54:01
  for
• 54:01
  it.
• 54:02
  Yeah.
• 54:02
  So
• 54:03
  I.
• 54:03
  I
• 54:03
  was
• 54:03
  there
• 54:04
  for
• 54:04
  10
• 54:04
  years.
• 54:04
  And.
• 54:06
  And
• 54:07
  it
• 54:07
  was.
• 54:08
  It
• 54:08
  was
• 54:08
  hard.
• 54:09
  I
• 54:10
  won't
• 54:10
  say
• 54:10
  it
• 54:10
  was
• 54:10
  easy.
• 54:11
  The
• 54:11
  hard
• 54:11
  part
• 54:11
  was
• 54:12
  people
• 54:12
  constantly
• 54:13
  asking
• 54:13
  me,
• 54:13
  well,
• 54:14
  how.
• 54:14
  How
• 54:15
  can
• 54:15
  you
• 54:15
  get
• 54:16
  your
• 54:16
  pitchers
• 54:16
  to
• 54:16
  pitch
• 54:16
  it?
• 54:17
  Altitude.
• 54:17
  This
• 54:17
  is.
• 54:17
  If
• 54:18
  the
• 54:18
  other
• 54:18
  pitchers
• 54:18
  didn't
• 54:19
  have
• 54:19
  to
• 54:19
  pitch
• 54:19
  there,
• 54:19
  it
• 54:20
  would
• 54:20
  be
• 54:20
  really
• 54:20
  hard.
• 54:21
  But
• 54:21
  they
• 54:21
  got
• 54:21
  a
• 54:21
  picture.
• 54:22
  Yeah,
• 54:22
  right.
• 54:22
  Yeah,
• 54:23
  exactly.
• 54:23
  Good
• 54:24
  point.
• 54:25
  So
• 54:26
  it
• 54:26
  was.
• 54:26
  It
• 54:27
  was.
• 54:27
  It
• 54:27
  was
• 54:28
  fun.
• 54:28
  It
• 54:28
  was
• 54:29
  challenging.
• 54:30
  It
• 54:30
  was
• 54:30
  finding
• 54:31
  the
• 54:31
  right
• 54:32
  mix,
• 54:32
  the
• 54:33
  right,
• 54:34
  Right
• 54:34
  pitchers
• 54:35
  to
• 54:35
  pitch
• 54:36
  there.
• 54:36
  Not
• 54:36
  just
• 54:37
  good
• 54:37
  pitchers
• 54:38
  picking
• 54:39
  the
• 54:39
  right
• 54:40
  pitchers
• 54:40
  to
• 54:40
  pitch
• 54:41
  there.
• 54:41
  So
• 54:42
  that
• 54:42
  was
• 54:43
  always
• 54:44
  the
• 54:45
  dilemma.
• 54:46
  Gotcha.
• 54:46
  Well,
• 54:47
  Bob,
• 54:47
  it's
• 54:48
  been
• 54:48
  a
• 54:48
  pleasure.
• 54:49
  I
• 54:49
  have
• 54:49
  so
• 54:49
  many
• 54:49
  more
• 54:50
  things
• 54:50
  to
• 54:50
  ask
• 54:50
  you.
• 54:51
  If
• 54:51
  you'd
• 54:51
  come
• 54:51
  back,
• 54:52
  we'd
• 54:53
  love
• 54:53
  to
• 54:53
  have
• 54:53
  you.
• 54:53
  I
• 54:54
  thank
• 54:54
  you
• 54:54
  for
• 54:54
  taking
• 54:55
  time
• 54:55
  out
• 54:55
  of
• 54:55
  your
• 54:55
  Sunday
• 54:56
  night
• 54:56
  to
• 54:56
  spend
• 54:57
  with
• 54:57
  us
• 54:57
  up
• 54:57
  here
• 54:57
  in
• 54:58
  New
• 54:58
  York.
• 54:59
  Thank
• 54:59
  you
• 54:59
  again.
• 55:00
  All
• 55:00
  the
• 55:00
  best
• 55:00
  to
• 55:00
  you.
• 55:01
  Thank
• 55:01
  your
• 55:01
  lovely
• 55:01
  wife
• 55:02
  Renee
• 55:02
  for
• 55:02
  helping
• 55:03
  set
• 55:03
  us
• 55:03
  up,
• 55:04
  and
• 55:04
  we'll
• 55:05
  talk
• 55:05
  to
• 55:05
  you
• 55:05
  down
• 55:05
  the
• 55:05
  road,
• 55:06
  hopefully.
• 55:07
  All
• 55:07
  right,
• 55:07
  Bill,
• 55:08
  good
• 55:08
  talking
• 55:09
  to
• 55:09
  you.
• 55:09
  You
• 55:09
  take
• 55:09
  care.
• 55:09
  That's
• 55:10
  Bob
• 55:10
  Apodaca,
• 55:11
  ladies
• 55:11
  and
• 55:11
  gentlemen.
• 55:12
  That
• 55:12
  will
• 55:12
  do
• 55:12
  it
• 55:12
  for
• 55:13
  me
• 55:13
  tonight
• 55:13
  on
• 55:13
  SPORTS
• 55:14
  TALK
• 55:14
  New
• 55:14
  York.
• 55:15
  I'd
• 55:15
  like
• 55:15
  to
• 55:15
  thank
• 55:16
  my
• 55:16
  guests
• 55:16
  John
• 55:17
  Matlak
• 55:17
  and
• 55:17
  Bob
• 55:18
  Apodaca,
• 55:19
  my
• 55:19
  engineer,
• 55:20
  Brian
• 55:20
  Graves,
• 55:20
  and,
• 55:21
  of
• 55:21
  course,
• 55:21
  you
• 55:21
  guys
• 55:22
  for
• 55:22
  taking
• 55:22
  the
• 55:23
  time
• 55:23
  to
• 55:23
  join
• 55:23
  us
• 55:23
  tonight.
• 55:24
  I'll
• 55:24
  see
• 55:24
  you
• 55:24
  Next
• 55:25
  on
• 55:25
  Sunday,
• 55:26
  January
• 55:26
  26,
• 55:28
  for
• 55:28
  more
• 55:28
  great
• 55:29
  Sports
• 55:29
  talk.
• 55:29
  Till
• 55:30
  then,
• 55:30
  be
• 55:31
  safe
• 55:31
  and
• 55:31
  be
• 55:31
  well.
• 55:32
  Bill
• 55:32
  Donahue,
• 55:33
  wishing
• 55:33
  you
• 55:33
  a
• 55:33
  good
• 55:34
  evening,
• 55:34
  folks.
• 55:40
  The
• 55:40
  views
• 55:40
  expressed
• 55:41
  in
• 55:41
  the
• 55:41
  previous
• 55:41
  program
• 55:42
  did
• 55:42
  not
• 55:43
  necessarily
• 55:43
  represent
• 55:43
  those
• 55:44
  of
• 55:44
  the
• 55:44
  staff,
• 55:44
  management
• 55:45
  or
• 55:45
  owners
• 55:46
  of
• 55:46
  wgbb.