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The Drama The Victory In Locating And More Antique The Novel From Seth Panitch · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Hello and good morning everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Hey, how are you a row? This is Seth
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  Speaker 2: Panish Seth Man.
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  Speaker 1: I've been excited to share a conversation with you because
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  Speaker 1: it feels like you write with authenticity in the way
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  Speaker 1: that you've lived this.
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  Speaker 2: Am I wrong on that? Oh? No, I think you're
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  Speaker 2: right about that. I mean, there's a lot of me
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of these characters.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, don't you love that part about being a writer
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  Speaker 1: because so many times people go, oh, I have nothing
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  Speaker 1: to write about.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to.
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  Speaker 1: Do, and it's like, well, you put yourself in one
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  Speaker 1: of those characters and you start becoming all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all different levels of personality. That's what makes writing so fun.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I absolutely agree with that. You know that, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's the first draft. Of course, the later drafts are
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  Speaker 2: like a colonoscopy without the medicine right when you're editing.
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  Speaker 2: But but you know, that first draft really is transformative,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not just that you're working with yourself, but
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  Speaker 2: you're working with places that you left to go that
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  Speaker 2: you haven't with yourself. And that's what thrills me about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's that research that I think that scares a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people away. And then I pick up a
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  Speaker 1: book like yours, and I'm going, my god, this guy
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  Speaker 1: did his homework. That means that he really did see
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  Speaker 1: us while he was writing it, because we're going to
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  Speaker 1: receive it and then we're going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and hopefully you're going to connect with the
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  Speaker 2: same things in yourself. Obviously, anybody who reads it that
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  Speaker 2: the same things that I connected with when I was
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  Speaker 2: writing it. That's certainly my hope for the piece is
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  Speaker 2: that people are going to look into themselves and try
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  Speaker 2: to find some of their hidden magic, or the magic
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  Speaker 2: that they haven't used since they were kids, or the
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  Speaker 2: magic I think of getting older and discovering that as well. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see in these book clubs how
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  Speaker 1: many people are going to say, Oh, I know Grace,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen Grace, I've talked with Grace, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you put characters in here that we're all going, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know who that is. That's my sister or that's
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  Speaker 1: my neighbor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, did you say that? Because I've actually
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  Speaker 2: I do ask people when I go to events to
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  Speaker 2: contact me on my gmail Sethpanat at gmail dot com
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  Speaker 2: with people in their life that they're reminded of when
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  Speaker 2: they read the book. And I've had a number of
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  Speaker 2: people say that, actually, Grace's mother is somebody that they
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  Speaker 2: know incredibly well. It's either their mother or their father.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess that's because Grace's mother mystifies her at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the piece, and mothers have a tendency
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  Speaker 2: sometimes to mystify us in our lives, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of people are connecting with that. People
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  Speaker 2: are kind of ashamed to admit that they connect with Jick,
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  Speaker 2: that Grace's ex husband who cheated on her, who's a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a mercurial character, but I know that there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people out there connected with him as well. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, do you think that
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  Speaker 1: Grace felt like that she was being left behind? Because
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  Speaker 1: I kind of took that empathy stage with her. I'm going, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow this because I want to know if
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  Speaker 1: we can all relate with Grace in this way, because
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  Speaker 1: we have that moment in our life where we go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: something doesn't feel right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I again, you're spot on with this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's what Grace does is she hits her absolute rock bottom.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the best way to see what the
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  Speaker 2: path forward is is when you are that low. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that everybody has gone through that at least one.
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  Speaker 2: Some people, unfortunately have gone through more than one. But
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  Speaker 2: there's that time where you where you feel last. And
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  Speaker 2: I've actually gone through that moment in my life in
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  Speaker 2: my career where there was a moment where I was
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  Speaker 2: in a garage, I remember, and I started laughing and
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  Speaker 2: I said out loud, oh, I'm last. And there's like
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  Speaker 2: there's there's you know, there's a relief to that erow right,
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  Speaker 2: but there's also a challenge in it, which is the
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  Speaker 2: only way to go is up. And I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people have had that experience in their lives
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  Speaker 2: and they can connect with that in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's the reason why people pick up
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  Speaker 1: antiquing because they know they can go to any history
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  Speaker 1: book and read of the times and be certain of it,
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  Speaker 1: whereas the future what is that all about?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think when people go to antiques, they're
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  Speaker 2: also reminded. Even if it's something that's you know, an
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  Speaker 2: object that existed long before they were born, it does
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  Speaker 2: let them look back to themselves and the things that
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  Speaker 2: they've forgotten about themselves. You know, if you look back
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  Speaker 2: at a picture of yourself as a child, sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: don't recognize that person. I think people get depressed with that.
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  Speaker 2: They want to have that root system within their life
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  Speaker 2: as they get older, that joy, that thrill of looking
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  Speaker 2: at something that's new. And what's funny is that antiquing
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  Speaker 2: allows you to look better at what's right in front
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  Speaker 2: of you by looking at the past.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Seth Panage coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of his book Antique. You're really
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  Speaker 1: gonna dig this one, because you're going to be digging in.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with Seth Panage.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: See, I think one of the reasons why I can
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  Speaker 1: so relate with this is because here in the Carolina's
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  Speaker 1: antiquing or junking as we call it sometimes it's what
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  Speaker 1: we do. I mean, you've got Waxaw here in the Carolinas,
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  Speaker 1: and you've got Pineville. Everybody travels from everywhere just to
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  Speaker 1: come in here to do their antiquing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh that's amazing. I was not aware of that,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it's everybody loves to get into those old
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  Speaker 2: objects and also to discover what's fascinating about objects that
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  Speaker 2: they already have. What I also find interesting about this
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  Speaker 2: hero is, you know, one person's trash is another person's treasure,
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  Speaker 2: and it's because the person that's trashing it doesn't realize
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  Speaker 2: what they have is a value. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: an interesting aspect of it as well. When people pick
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  Speaker 2: up someone else's antique and cherish it, they're actually noticing
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  Speaker 2: something valuable about someone else and that someone else has
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  Speaker 2: forgotten about it. So in that respect, we're sort of
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  Speaker 2: helping each other discover what's valuable about our lives.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm a firm believer that we don't find things
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  Speaker 1: when we're antiquing. They find us, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: it's now in our home. Because I believe that history
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  Speaker 1: is reaching out to us. It's that I call it
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  Speaker 1: the Dear future Reader moment, where it's like, Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to put my energy into this project because I
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  Speaker 1: know somewhere up there someone's going to find it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that sense that that thing is reaching
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  Speaker 2: out to you. And I think in the book people
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  Speaker 2: will find that the celestial globe, this amazing necklace that
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  Speaker 2: may or may not be possessed with this incredible power. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that reached out to Grace just as she reaches out
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  Speaker 2: to it. And they help each other in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ways because the piece feels dead. The pieces existed
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  Speaker 2: for thousands of years and it hasn't been able to
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  Speaker 2: use its magic because it hasn't found the person to
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  Speaker 2: use it with. And I think that's exactly what you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about when people pick up some old piece of history.
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  Speaker 2: The two together kind of meld and have a relationship
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  Speaker 2: and they each sheet help each other shine. Well.
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  Speaker 1: See, I can so get into that. And the reason
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  Speaker 1: why is because I'm a daily writer. I've been doing
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  Speaker 1: it since July of nineteen ninety four. My writing desks
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  Speaker 1: are deaths from the nineteen twenties and thirties, and so
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  Speaker 1: in one of them was actually on a ship by
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  Speaker 1: the man that was in control of that ship, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like and there's even a letter in there that
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  Speaker 1: he hand wrote to somebody or or or it could
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  Speaker 1: be like clickbait. Somebody wrote it and made it look
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  Speaker 1: like it so that I would buy it because I
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  Speaker 1: fail for it. And that's the one thing I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And and one of the things that you put in
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  Speaker 1: this is the authenticity of what it's like to go antiquing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did research it quite a bit. I
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  Speaker 2: tomes and tons of books on that. But also YouTube
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  Speaker 2: is this incredible value for us as writers, being able
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  Speaker 2: to watch antique shows obviously antiques roadshow, watching appraisers and
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  Speaker 2: really see how they work, uh, and and how they
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  Speaker 2: emotionally get connected with things as they work as well.
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  Speaker 2: Gave me a real nice sense into the emotional world
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  Speaker 2: of these antiquers out They're just like we are, looking
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  Speaker 2: for treasures, lost grails. They're looking for the same thing
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  Speaker 2: that we are. And just like you spoke about, we
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  Speaker 2: and the object find this relationship. I think the appraisers
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  Speaker 2: find their relationship not just with the objects, but with
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  Speaker 2: the people that bring those objects as well. It's a way,
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  Speaker 2: it's a it's a connectivity that I don't think exists
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  Speaker 2: in any other.
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  Speaker 1: You my god, I really tapped into the storyline when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to locating that lost masterpiece. And the reason
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  Speaker 1: why is because so many of us are exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: I'll never forget trying to locate my final Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 1: baseball card, not a basketball card when he played for
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  Speaker 1: the Birmingham Bearns, and it was a hologram card that
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  Speaker 1: was blue.
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  Speaker 2: Dude.
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  Speaker 1: I went everywhere, and I think I'm seeing myself inside
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  Speaker 1: this book because I feel like that is my masterpiece
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  Speaker 1: that Grace wanted to put her hands on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and everybody's searching for that one, and
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  Speaker 2: I did. In that research, I did find a number
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  Speaker 2: of appraisers spoke about literally the words holy Grail. There's
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  Speaker 2: like there's something that's been forgotten, that's lost the time,
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  Speaker 2: that's restorative, right, the grail restored Arthur, And there's that sensus.
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  Speaker 2: Grace looks after her holy grail, and she may or
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  Speaker 2: may not find it. Of course, the question is ultimately
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  Speaker 2: is that the grail or is the grail within us?
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  Speaker 2: Is what she has to battle. But that's the battle
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  Speaker 2: of the piece. Is finding that thing that's going to
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  Speaker 2: cap you. And is it external or is it internal?
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  Speaker 2: And that's the question we all face.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you how you've changed me, Seth
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  Speaker 1: in reading this book. And this is the God's honest truth,
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  Speaker 1: is that I my goal is to go into these
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  Speaker 1: antique stores and purchase writing instruments. And what I've done now,
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  Speaker 1: I've done it twice now where I have taken the
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  Speaker 1: writing instrument and I have planted it back in the soil.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm giving myself time to go back to the
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  Speaker 1: soil because I believe that everything that's beneath the soil,
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  Speaker 1: the roots of the trees and the rocks and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: those that's where the writers really are. And it's because
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  Speaker 1: of your book that I'm doing this, because I want
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  Speaker 1: to be able to take something that's been lost from
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  Speaker 1: the past and see if I can give a bigger
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  Speaker 1: life from the soil to the next writer who wants it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful because ultimately we all go back to
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  Speaker 2: the same soil, right, how about you? Yeah? Yeah. Joseph
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  Speaker 2: Campbell talks about in The Hero of a Thousand Faces,
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  Speaker 2: which is my bible in terms of writer. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he talks about the monomyth, which is that one he's
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  Speaker 2: found the similarity of every world religion and every world myth,
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  Speaker 2: and there is this sort of universal soul that we share.
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  Speaker 2: And when you go back to that soil, you are
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  Speaker 2: touching humanity, aren't you. When you go back, as you said,
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  Speaker 2: going back into the roots of things to do your writing,
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  Speaker 2: you're not just going into your roots, You're going into
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  Speaker 2: all of our roots. I think that's what makes other
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  Speaker 2: people want to buy our books, is if they see
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  Speaker 2: themselves in it. It's not just that they're going to
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  Speaker 2: learn something from us, but they're actually going to share
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  Speaker 2: our common experience together through this book.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's going to happen here, Seth, is that
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  Speaker 1: everybody's going to fall in love with this book and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to want the next one. Now, what do
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  Speaker 1: you do in a situation like that as a writer,
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm not that type of writer that can just
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  Speaker 1: drop everything and do things. Now, it's gonna when someone says,
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  Speaker 1: or in my heart says, you're going to write, I
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  Speaker 1: know it's going to be two and a half three
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  Speaker 1: years and I'll have that book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little more psychotic. So while I'm writing
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  Speaker 2: the book, I'm doing the outline the next book. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm done with the second book. I'm just refining it
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  Speaker 2: because the poor thing was five hundred and eighty pages
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  Speaker 2: on first draft. So I'm cutting that down and we'll
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  Speaker 2: prop my agent and I'll go to market probably in
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  Speaker 2: September with that. But I'm already outlining the third one,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know if that's positive or that's a compulsion.
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  Speaker 2: And the next book is called Harmony, and it is
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  Speaker 2: about the music of rock and roll and divorce and
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  Speaker 2: love and everything in between. It's about strife is harmony,
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  Speaker 2: and it's about it down on his luck. Musician who
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  Speaker 2: discovers an old cassette tape from the seventies which has
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  Speaker 2: a lost demo from the most famous rock star of
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties and not only is their music, but
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  Speaker 2: the rock star begins to talk to him and it's
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  Speaker 2: the spirit of that person, and he wants to come
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  Speaker 2: back to write one more song with this guy. And
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  Speaker 2: in the composition we talked about them them completing each other.
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  Speaker 2: But our character is also learning about what it means
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  Speaker 2: to work with someone in love and in music.
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  Speaker 1: How did you build that story? Only because I've got
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  Speaker 1: two books now that are about songwriting. In fact, my
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  Speaker 1: last one was about John Lennon that I truly believe
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  Speaker 1: as that writer that John Lennon was alive. He just
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  Speaker 1: had Alzheimer's and so and then of all things, Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Campbell's family got in touch with me, and it built
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  Speaker 1: up the conversation anymore. We went to Yoko Ono, we
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  Speaker 1: went to Julian Lennard, because I mean, for you, when
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  Speaker 1: you start writing books like that, dude, they're gonna come
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  Speaker 1: out of the woodwork to knock on your door. Are
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  Speaker 1: you experiencing that?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Not yet, I haven't experienced that. I thought,
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  Speaker 2: actually that I would get some calls from Antiques' road
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  Speaker 2: show about this book, but and they did reach out.
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  Speaker 2: They are trying to do something with it. But I
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  Speaker 2: haven't heard back from them, just because obviously I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about antiques road Show from someone who's been kicked off
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  Speaker 2: of it, so I'm talking about the glory of antique
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  Speaker 2: strug joke, but it is. It's a cutthroat world. I
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  Speaker 2: mean to get to that pinnacle is you know, there
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  Speaker 2: is a little you know, there is a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a snake in the grass, you know, aspect to
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  Speaker 2: getting there. But no, they haven't reached out to me yet,
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  Speaker 2: so that I think that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if you were going
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  Speaker 1: to sell this at some of these antique shops, because
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  Speaker 1: this book would be so fantastic up there by the
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  Speaker 1: desk when people are purchasing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what. I have stopped by a number of
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  Speaker 2: antique shops and give them information on the book, and
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  Speaker 2: they've all said that they're going to get it, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it really is a celebration of what they
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  Speaker 2: do and in ways that I don't think they've had
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  Speaker 2: in fiction before. Obviously they've had that in nonfiction, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't think in the fiction world they've been able
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  Speaker 2: to be celebrated and just had a spotlight thrown on
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  Speaker 2: them the way that this book does.
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  Speaker 1: Man once again, what is that address? And we need
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  Speaker 1: to get together for that future book that you've got
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  Speaker 1: going on because you have my as an author, sir, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I love it well.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. My my email is Sethpanach at gmail dot com.
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  Speaker 2: But they can also find me on Instagram Seth Panach
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  Speaker 2: author Uh, and I have all my information on where
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  Speaker 2: I'm going on the book tour in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: one now and they can buy antique at all their
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  Speaker 2: local bookstores are on Amazon dot com or Bindsodoble dot com.
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  Speaker 1: God, you got to do your work on your side
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  Speaker 1: and get Heather to get us booked already for when
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  Speaker 1: that book comes out. I know it's gonna be way
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  Speaker 1: up there, but I would rather get you on the
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  Speaker 1: book than have to go through the fact I'm going.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm Booked'm booked book.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it and I love talking to you. You just
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  Speaker 2: make me incredibly jealous with all of your objects, So
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  Speaker 2: I need to call you again just to find out
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  Speaker 2: what new things you bought.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you don't want to come into this studio because
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  Speaker 1: every one of these things I use as energy as
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  Speaker 1: as a writer and a producer inside this studio because
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  Speaker 1: of oh my god, well please come back to this show, dude.
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  Speaker 1: The door is always going to be open for you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. Or lovely talking to you,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: my friend.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Will you be It's brilliant today.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, I will serve you too as well.